WEBVTT - Two Ts Presents: Two Jersey Js: More Money, More Problems? 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:05.360 Hey guys, I'm Jackie Goldschneiner, I'm Essler, and we are 0:00:05.480 --> 0:00:09.880 two Jersey Jays and we have pretty juicy so for 0:00:09.920 --> 0:00:10.479 you today. 0:00:10.920 --> 0:00:14.080 I think that it's like the episode, in my mind 0:00:14.120 --> 0:00:15.880 is like one that I would want to talk about 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:17.680 or hear about. I want to listen to this episode 0:00:17.720 --> 0:00:21.279 because I think it's there's so much to say about it. 0:00:21.320 --> 0:00:22.799 We're talking about money. 0:00:22.960 --> 0:00:25.560 Yes, we're talking about money, and since we are in 0:00:25.600 --> 0:00:26.920 the Housewives world, we're going. 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:27.360 To start there. 0:00:27.520 --> 0:00:33.080 Yeah. So I think that the Housewives have become synonymous 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:35.440 with having a lot of money, but I don't think 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:38.560 that that's actually so true. 0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:42.080 I think that part of the appeal of the Housewives, 0:00:42.080 --> 0:00:43.720 and as of viewer, I think I felt this way too, 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:47.040 is watching women who you know, supposedly had it all 0:00:47.440 --> 0:00:48.920 a lot of that had to do with money, but 0:00:48.960 --> 0:00:51.840 also looks and you know, the perfect husbands and children 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:53.880 blah blah blah, and then sort of watching their demise 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:58.040 because I think we are so caught up in as 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:02.240 a culture money and there's so much that affects us 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:04.800 in terms of like our own self worth in terms 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:08.199 of money. So I almost feel like the Housewives show 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:10.640 that money doesn't buy happiness. 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:14.360 Yes, but I originally thought that like all the housewives 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:16.600 had a lot of money, and that is just absolutely 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:19.520 not the case. And what I have found in recent 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:22.480 years is that people who look like they have a 0:01:22.520 --> 0:01:25.959 ton of money a lot of times it's it's just 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:30.360 a lot of spending of money that people don't necessarily have. Now, Listen, 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:33.120 there are people on these shows that legit have a 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:35.760 ton of money, and I have no I have no 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:38.760 privy to anyone's bank accounts, so I'm just guessing. But 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:40.840 if I had to guess, I would say that it's 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:48.040 definitely like Lisa Vanderpom definitely rich, Kyle Rich right, Suntrack rich. 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:52.120 Right, Candy, Yes, of course, yes. And then there are 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:55.320 those of us who are not, you know, flying our 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:58.600 own private jets and are I think comfortable with that 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:01.120 and represent ourselves accurate? And I think there are those 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:04.000 that cry to fake it and. 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:08.519 Yeah, I mean, well for documented news stories about many people. 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:09.079 And I'll tell you who. 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:13.000 I just in my head, it's so crazy to me 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:15.519 that they don't have much money. Was this whole thing 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:19.760 with cry and Kim. Now I didn't watch Atlanta when 0:02:19.760 --> 0:02:22.880 she was on it. I actually there's a few housewild shows. 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:23.280 I don't watch. 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:25.040 Atlanta's one of them, so I don't really know the 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:28.800 people on there, but I know that Kim was on 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:32.200 Atlanta Housewives for what five seasons, and then she had 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:34.960 her own show for I think eight seasons. 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:38.080 He wasn't party for the party, yes to watch that. 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:40.000 I watched a little bit of it, and I definitely 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:42.359 watched when Kim was on it and she was involved 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:45.239 with that older guy. They called him back a daddy, 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:47.880 big daddy daddy or something. And I mean, that's an 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:49.160 interesting study right there. 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:52.000 Right, I mean, she had an NFL contract where I 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:58.040 date him billions of dollars also, and I mean they're broke. 0:02:58.320 --> 0:03:00.880 She's selling her wigs on eBay, So how do you 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:03.920 go from all that income? 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:06.800 Isn't it interesting? It's the thing, potentially I don't know, 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:10.560 that brought her so much money, was representing herself as 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:13.080 a rich woman, right, And that's the thing that is 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:16.600 part of what made her so interesting, watching her in 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:20.920 the biggest state, watching her dripping in diamonds, and so 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:24.960 to keep that up. I'm not their financial advisor, but 0:03:25.080 --> 0:03:28.440 I guess she put forth too much effort in terms 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:32.240 of like showing and being showy, and then she didn't 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:34.280 have anything to back it up, or it all went 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:36.680 away because she was so busy showing off her wealth. 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:37.360 I don't know. 0:03:37.400 --> 0:03:38.960 I think a lot of people think that being on 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:42.840 the show itself is going to bring you the kind 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:46.920 of money that you're presenting, which you don't really have, right, 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:49.200 But that really doesn't happen. 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:53.520 It's very rare. I think to make enough money on 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:55.680 this show that you can catch up to what you're presenting. 0:03:55.800 --> 0:03:57.080 You get what I'm saying and why and. 0:03:57.120 --> 0:03:59.480 The bigger picture, right, like why does it matter so much? 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:02.240 Why does it matter? Well, I think it used to 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:04.120 matter a lot more than it does now. I think 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:06.360 it used to be that house I was were synonymous 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:09.000 with having a lot of money, maybe not like billion, 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:11.960 like not sudden money, but like living in a really 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:15.080 big house, driving your range Rover, you know, occasionally flying 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:16.320 out a private jet. 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:19.479 Now I think it's different. It is different now, It 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:23.080 definitely has changed. Having said that, I also see a 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:27.720 lot of the housewives representing themselves as down to earth relatable. 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:29.840 I don't have as much money as you guys do, 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:34.720 and the women that are doing that have still beautiful lives. 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:37.440 They may not live in a states with yachts and 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:41.080 private jets, but they live in beautiful homes. They have enough, 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:44.520 they have enough to you know, dress themselves up. And 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:47.680 yet there's this whole I feel like, even just recently 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:51.400 with Salt Lake City, that whole piece of it that 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:55.560 you know, Monica didn't like whatever was happening with the 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:59.320 ring you saw, Yeah, yeah, right, melt it she was 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:01.200 that rubbed her the wrong way and she had to 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:02.960 buy a Louis bag or something so that she didn't 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:06.960 feel inferior when they all went on trip. But this 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:09.920 whole sort of and that people could relate to that, right, 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:11.960 But Monica is still I don't know Monica. I don't 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:13.560 know what she has in her bank, but she still lives. 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:15.640 It looks to me like a really nice life. She 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:18.680 has four kids, there's food on the table, she seems 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:21.040 to take very good care of herself. She's driving around 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:25.680 in a Range Rover. So you know that sort of 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:28.080 feeling that maybe if I have less, that makes me 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:31.119 more authentic and relatable. And I don't think that's true either. 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:33.159 Yeah, I don't think it's true either, But I will 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:35.640 tell you I think that people love seeing a downfall. 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:38.320 It's part of the whole I cancel culture. But like 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:42.320 when Erin got sued, I have no I'm not taking 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:44.880 a side on who's telling the truth in this one. 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:48.320 But when Erin got sued Erin from New York by 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:52.040 her landlord for unpaid rent and it was all over 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:55.080 the news, I think people love that kind of stuff, 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:57.120 that kind of ooh, maybe she's not who she says 0:05:57.160 --> 0:05:59.680 she is. Whenever there's a story about Durie in the news, 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:03.279 whenever there's a story about Erika Jean in the news. 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:07.000 Well that's because I think that it's natural for us. Unfortunately, 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:10.760 part of what makes a human human is sometimes feelings 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:16.480 of jealousy, feelings of wanting more, not being content, comparing 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:19.760 yourself to others. I think that is, you know something 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:21.960 I try to fight against it, but it's also I 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:24.360 do the same thing right, Like I can look at 0:06:24.360 --> 0:06:27.360 a woman who is so uberwealthy, like a door Rate 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:31.520 or a Kyle Richards, and say to myself, you know, wow, 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:33.800 you know I like my own jet, I like my 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:37.400 own yacht. And the truth is I am blessed above 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:39.640 and beyond. I have everything I need. My kids have 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:43.680 food on the table. You know, God forbids someone get 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:45.640 sick in my family, I'll have enough money to fly 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:49.520 them to wherever the hospital, the best hospital is. That's 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:52.080 what counts, right. Money doesn't buy happiness, But yet still 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:56.000 we covet these things, and whether it's right or wrong, 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:58.720 I think everyone has like a certain degree of that right, 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:01.760 and it's it's hard to fight against it. But specifically 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:05.200 with the Housewives, it's so showy. Everybody is trying so 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:07.039 hard to show so much. 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:09.800 Yes on our cast included, but we won't go into 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:14.680 detail on that. So I think that also, you know, 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:20.520 we live in towns where money is everywhere. People like 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:24.000 to show off. I mean New Jersey. People like their 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:27.840 big cars and their big lives, and they like to 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:31.520 live large, and so it's hard to separate yourself from it. 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:35.520 It's not just Housewives world. It's suburbs, it's in the cities, 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:36.520 it's everywhere. 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:39.360 I grew up in sort of a unique financial situation. 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:41.600 My parents were divorced when I was like three, and 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:45.520 I moved with my mom and my sister to Sugarland, Texas. 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:48.440 My mother was a secretary now we would say assistant, 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:51.120 and we just didn't have a lot. We lived in 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:55.680 a very small house. I remember, you know, kids in 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:59.160 junior high lived in Sugar Creek, and I would go 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:01.680 through these gates and see these homes and I would just, 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:06.000 you know, feel less than And my dad at the 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:08.840 time in the eighties was very, very wealthy, so I 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:15.000 would fly to see him and he was literally his 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:17.400 apartment was across from the met ten ten fifth Avenue 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:19.320 in the city, and then he had a an estate 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:22.480 in Bedford and eventually he ended up living in Trump 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:26.000 Tower for a while. And when I was about nineteen, 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:30.360 we had been named Mitzvah, so I hadn't been bought Mitzvoot. 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:34.199 It was myself and my sister and my half brother. Anyway, 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:36.400 it was on the Queen Elizabeth. It was like on 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:40.280 the front page of the Metropolitan Section and Ivan Boski 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:43.280 like flew brivate jet onto the ship. It was over 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:47.160 the top, right. And then my father didn't have money. 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:48.880 But my point is it was always sort of that 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:51.160 back and forth and that sort of I don't know, 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:54.880 I used to have so much financial insecurity, Like you know, 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:58.200 I'd wake up sometimes in my twenties and be afraid, 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:00.520 like I have these nightmares about like being under the 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:04.600 bridge with nowhere to live, and you know, being or 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:09.360 being being homeless or just struggling, and I don't know, 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:13.520 I am part of why. I think I'm so grateful 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:15.160 that we have what we have now. And again we're 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:17.400 not bazillionaires, but it's just the safety that comes with 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:18.040 having money. 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:22.360 Yeah, I have a weird relationship with money. I've always 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:24.240 had a weird relationship with money, and I think it 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:26.760 also stems from my childhood. So when I first got 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:31.240 on the show, I was really uncomfortable showing off my wealth. 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:34.360 I didn't want the producers to know that I had money. 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:38.040 I just wanted to seem like I was like regular 0:09:38.160 --> 0:09:42.199 suburban well off, right. I drove a minivan at the time. 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:44.720 It wasn't even a new minivan, and it was like 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:48.720 very stereotypical, like oldfish on the floor, shit everywhere, bird 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:52.760 poop in the windows, and you know, my house is beautiful, 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:57.080 but it's not mine no day and it's my house 0:09:57.160 --> 0:10:03.320 is beautiful, but it's not like you knowlous house at right. 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:07.920 So I think that my second season, when I took 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:13.080 the ladies to my Hampton's house, which is quite a 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:17.400 beach house. They were like, wait what because everyone assumed 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:19.480 that I was like the poor one on the cast, 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:23.960 and they were like, does Jackie have money? I remember 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:26.800 I was listening to another podcast and they said that 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:28.360 they think that I was like the first house I 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:31.280 was ever to pretend that I had less money than 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:34.160 I actually, which was really funny. But I grew up 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:38.240 with a really weird relationship with money because I grew 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:40.160 up the first part of my childhood it was in 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:43.320 Staten Island, New York, which was very very We were 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:48.760 very middle class. We had like a small home and 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:51.840 you know, like we just didn't have a ton of money, 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:54.120 like me and my friends, like we would play in 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:59.000 our garages. And then my parents their businesses really took 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:03.080 off and they wanted to move out of Staten Island, 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:06.679 so they bought a McMansion in New Jersey and it 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:10.520 was one of the first homes on in the new 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:13.760 development in this new area of the town, and we 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:16.000 were like the only house on the block, and I 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:19.520 was really isolated. My parents, who are wonderful people, but 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:24.320 they dropped me off at this house and they were like, Okay, 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:27.480 we're going to work full time. And I had no friends, 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:31.319 I had no rides to go anywhere, and I moved 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:34.880 to this mcmahonsion and I was very isolated. I was 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:37.240 very lonely. I had no friends. I would at a 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:44.800 new school, and I money. Essentially, suddenly we were wealthy, 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:48.520 and I was so miserable, whereas I was so happy 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:53.079 in Staten Island, and I was so miserable as friends 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:57.800 and laughing and yes as a kid everything, and I 0:11:57.840 --> 0:12:02.240 think I resented all the money. And then to pile 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:06.360 on top of that, my parents continued to make a 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:09.640 lot of money. And when I was in college, one 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:13.480 day the IRS came in and raided my mother's business 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:16.920 and shut everything down. And then I had to watch 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:22.280 my parents go to trial for tax evasion and wonder 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:24.719 how much jail time they were going to get, and 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:30.080 watch them get sentenced, and it was horrific. So I 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:34.960 think that I've felt like when I didn't have the money, 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:39.160 I was so much happier. I was just happier. And 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:42.120 then when I had all the money, nothing about it 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:45.440 brought me happiness. So I was always very very scared. 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:57.520 I want to tell you something really really interesting, So 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:01.520 I never would spend money, right, and I had this 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:04.800 thing where I would always hold onto money and I 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:08.360 never wanted to spend it on anything. And so when 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:10.080 I a few years ago. I don't know if you 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:14.960 guys followed my story, my personal story, or read my 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:17.800 book The Way to Beautiful, but I recovered from a 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:24.040 twenty year really severe anorexia. I recovered about two and 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:26.240 a half years ago. I chose to recover, and when 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:30.559 I first went into therapy my therapist, I didn't want 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:32.839 to do so many sessions because I didn't want to 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:35.680 spend all that money on therapy. It was all part 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:38.040 of me hanging on to all my money. So she 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:40.240 said to me, you know, if you can't afford it, 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:42.120 we can, you know, work out a payment plan. And 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:44.520 I said, no, I can. I can afford it. 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:45.760 I just don't want to. 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:48.080 I just didn't want to spend the money. And she 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:52.280 opened my eyes to the most interesting fucking thing. It's called, 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:56.559 and it's a legit thing. It's called financial anorexia. And 0:13:56.920 --> 0:13:59.800 it's the same way that you think about food like 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:02.640 and you're anorexic, or any kind of dieting like you. 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:06.319 I was hoarding my calories so like I wouldn't eat 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:09.000 all day and then at night I would have enough 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:13.320 to make me not feel super hungry anymore. And I 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:16.600 was always like saving calories and I wouldn't eat, and 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:19.840 like I was just afraid to eat because I was 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:22.280 afraid it would spiral. And I was the same way 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:25.600 with money. I was afraid to let go of any 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:28.360 of my money because I was so afraid that something 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:29.240 bad would happen. 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:32.520 And that's how. I don't know that he has financial 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:34.560 anorex yet, but I think for a lot of people 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:38.680 like my husband, like Jeff, he works so hard and 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:42.240 he is successful, and yet I if it were up 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:44.840 to him, we would spend nothing because and I don't 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:47.520 think it's about I really sort of hate this part 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:50.440 because it's I feel like Jews are always labeled when 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:52.920 it comes to money, right, and Jeff Sessler's not cheap. 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:55.440 He would spend everything on his kids in two seconds, 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:57.320 but like the little things he gets concerned about, and 0:14:57.360 --> 0:15:02.080 I think that's about financial insecurity. It's you know, I 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:05.560 think that he's for whatever reason, whatever background he comes from, 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:08.560 he's always scared of running out right or like, what's 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:10.480 going to happen if I don't have enough? Especially as 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:13.440 the primary breadwinner. I think a lot of men, you know, 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:16.240 identify also with how much money that they make. That's 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:18.680 maybe for another day. Yeah, but I think a lot 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:21.320 of people have fear when it comes to money. And 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:24.840 then there are those, by the way, who I think, 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:29.400 you know, have so much, there's so much excess, and 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:34.200 feel good. The more they have, the better they feel 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:36.600 about themselves. Right, I don't think you were justing that. 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:37.040 I don't know. 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:39.200 Do you think that's true? Like there are people in 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:42.480 the housewives world that definitely keep accumulating and accumulating. There 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:44.680 are people on our cast that have fifteen cars lined 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:45.680 up in front of their house. 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:46.520 I don't. 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:49.760 I don't know. Does that could that possibly make someone happy? 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:50.040 No? 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:52.680 Wait, I didn't. That is not believe me. I don't. 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:55.080 I think that everything that people say, right, it's so 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:58.000 cliche that money doesn't buy happiness one hundred percent. I 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:00.240 don't not think it buys happiness. I think that though 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:04.240 people are sometimes their esteem is fed by things, yes, 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:08.120 and it's never lasting. It can't last. Like when I 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:11.680 moved into this house. We were bidding on this house 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:14.040 and I walked into it and I thought, if we 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:17.240 get this house for whatever reason, I just loved it. 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:20.680 I still do. I will never have an unhappy day. Well, 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:23.800 about three days into owning this house, something came up. 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:25.520 I mean, I don't even remember what it was, but 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:28.560 I'm just saying it's not that's not realistic. Things of course, 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:31.680 and we know this, right, things don't make us happy. 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:35.440 But having said that, things, especially in today's day, and 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:38.640 especially yes in the world of housewives, have become so important. 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:41.840 I always say to myself when I'm watching Beverly Hills, 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:45.440 there's like, like, the birken Bag is like the eighth housewife. 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:46.760 I don't know how many housewives there are, right, it 0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:48.760 should happen, right, It's like, well, it's like a friend 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:51.400 of a housewife. It it shouldn't hold a diamond, but 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:53.280 it has like its own importance. 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:53.560 Right. 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:55.560 I may argue that the friends of the housewives are 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:56.760 the most important. 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:59.360 Part, fair enough, but like I'd feel like the birken 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:01.960 Bag is real, like the eighth Beverly Hills housewife, and 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:05.439 like you know who has one? You know, like they'll 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:07.480 they'll do a shot of one, then they'll put one 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:11.879 hundred thousand dollars underneath. Or Garcel got one, but she 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:14.040 got maybe a used one and we know how much 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:16.679 of that cost. And it's all about, you know, when 0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:19.720 the new ones come in, and it's an interesting thing, right, 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:23.160 Like Burke and bag can cost one hundred thousand dollars? 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:25.199 Is that okay? I don't know. You could feed a 0:17:25.200 --> 0:17:27.800 small country with that. But guess what, I have excess. 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:31.400 There's somebody else who I'm I listened to on TikTok 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:35.840 Who TikTok who talks about like the Kardashians and how 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:39.679 bad it is for girls today to watch their lives 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:43.359 because they live with so much excess and it's so obnoxious. 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:46.000 This it's so bad. They're such a bad example. But 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:49.160 yet that person has so much, there's so much excess 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:51.119 in her own life, right. 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:54.680 Yeah, so you're talking about you guys remain. 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:56.399 Nameless, but I like to say her name. No, I 0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:58.399 don't say anyone's name. I really don't. It's not and 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:00.440 you guys know what I'm talking about. You don't have 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:03.479 to name people. But the point is that, like you know, 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:07.960 some when is excess okay and when is it not. 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:11.080 I don't like to be okay with the ship we 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:13.080 see on social media because nobody has to live their 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:14.800 lives for our approval, so we all have to be 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:17.600 okay with it. I just, you know, I think that 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:20.480 there's a lot of smoke and mirrors. There's a lot 0:18:20.520 --> 0:18:24.560 of people who are presenting a life that they don't 0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:25.120 really live. 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:28.160 I think that some of my happiest friends, and who knows, 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:29.439 I don't know how to measure that. But like some 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:31.000 of my friends that seem at least to me so 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:34.399 content are the ones who maybe could live larger, but 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:37.560 they live smaller lives by choice, right, Like they don't 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:42.440 have anything to prove, and they they have other whatever 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:46.600 it is that brings them happiness. You know, it's not 0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:51.919 about their money, and that's what I strive for. I 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:54.760 get caught up in also, this world of trying to 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:58.800 prove that yeah you know, I'm glamorous too, Yeah, and 0:18:59.200 --> 0:18:59.800 it doesn't work. 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:02.040 It's I mean, my town's a tough town. How is 0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:04.639 your town like my town? The people are great, but 0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:07.720 they live very large. Like in the summer when everyone's 0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:10.520 kids go off to sleep boy camp, they are on 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:16.560 yachts in Capri. They are at their like a massive 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:20.120 Southampton homes. They are just living in my town. 0:19:20.200 --> 0:19:23.159 But my friends, now, my friend camp. We were in 0:19:23.160 --> 0:19:24.440 my backyard getting wasted. 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:29.879 Yeah later Yeah, so you know what else? Also, like 0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:33.760 I grew up, this is I guess tied to like finances. 0:19:34.040 --> 0:19:38.600 I grew up my dad gambled a lot, So every 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:43.240 single weekend we'd be at a casino. So I lived 0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:46.320 at casinos, and very curiously, my dad taught me how 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:49.240 to gamble, Like he taught me every single detail about 0:19:49.880 --> 0:19:53.479 craps when I was probably like twelve years old, so 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:55.560 I knew craps inside and album by the time I 0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:57.440 was eighteen. We used to go to the Islands and 0:19:57.880 --> 0:20:00.320 I would be gambling. I was gambling when I was 0:20:00.320 --> 0:20:04.320 like fifteen. I had fake ID and so I think 0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:07.560 that I developed this relationship with casinos. You saw me 0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:10.080 even during BRAVOCM Like, I do not want to gamble 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:13.720 because there was so much, like always tension between my 0:20:13.880 --> 0:20:17.080 parents when my dad would lose, and it's so funny 0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:19.040 he would bet on sports also, And when I was 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:22.879 a kid my dad. I always thought if there was 0:20:22.920 --> 0:20:26.800 a broom outside my parents' room, it meant they were 0:20:26.840 --> 0:20:30.840 getting along, and I never understood what it meant. But 0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:34.360 my dad would put a broom outside their bedroom when 0:20:34.400 --> 0:20:37.560 he swept his games, and I only knew that it 0:20:37.600 --> 0:20:40.040 meant that my parents were getting along. Wow, yeah, they 0:20:40.040 --> 0:20:44.040 were like like the money took over everything. It was crazy. 0:20:44.240 --> 0:20:47.800 I love gambling. I love playing and not like blackjack, 0:20:47.840 --> 0:20:49.439 I'm not. I can't keep up with that shit. But 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:52.199 like wheel a fortune, like sitting there because there's this 0:20:52.240 --> 0:20:55.800