1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you, 3 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:11,319 Speaker 2: Ohio Radio Hall of Famer Trapper Jack with Us, also 4 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 2: known as Philip Keller, left mainstream media back in twenty 5 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 2: twelve and began sharing his faiths through podcasting and now 6 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 2: hosts a show called Touch by Heaven. He feels that 7 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 2: God is obviously trying to get our attention through the miracles, 8 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,479 Speaker 2: and those are the stories he shares. Trapper who is 9 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 2: legally blind and as his wife Beth, who claims does 10 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 2: about ninety nine percent of the work, deeply involved in 11 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 2: their community and their church. They have been married for 12 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 2: more than thirty years and have two adult children as well. 13 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 2: And he was a giant still is in the Cleveland market. 14 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 2: Trapper Jack, welcome. It's my honor to have you on 15 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 2: the show. Merry Christmas, George, you too, my friend? 16 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 3: Have you been I'm doing okay after listening to that 17 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 3: ad a little earlier, identity Theft, It's still me. I'm 18 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,279 Speaker 3: still Trapper. I checked my ID. I love it. 19 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 2: How long have you been visually impaired? 20 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 3: It started happening at age thirteen, it's called retina as 21 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 3: pigment toad. So seven kids in the family, three of 22 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 3: us got this, one totally blind. Two of us are 23 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 3: legally blind. And if you're going to be blind, please 24 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 3: be legally blind. I always say, Apparently there are marauding 25 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 3: gangs of illegally blind people out there and they must 26 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 3: be stopped. So about age thirteen, I start losing night vision, 27 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 3: peripheral vision. I don't know what's going on. And then 28 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 3: at age nineteen I found out it had a name. 29 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 3: Until then, it was just kind of literally in the dark. 30 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 3: And then so it's kind of the vision. It's kind 31 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 3: of slowly departed over the years, but I still got 32 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 3: a little itty bitty bit. You still look handsome as ever, George. 33 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 2: Thank you again. Age has been good to me. 34 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 3: Trapper. Yeah, radio faces here talking to each other, right, 35 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 3: So let me tell you. 36 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 2: It's an honor having you on the program. My Hall 37 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 2: of Fame, buddy, and good for you thirty years in 38 00:01:58,920 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 2: Cleveland radio. 39 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 3: Right, I did twenty five years here, and so many 40 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 3: of those was going to go into the station early 41 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 3: morning morning drive and listening to you. You are the guy, 42 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 3: and you're still the guy. You're still the guy. So 43 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 3: it's an honor to be here, really is George, Well, 44 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 3: we've got a lot to talk about. 45 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 2: How did the spirituality thing happen for you? 46 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 3: You know, I'm still picturing the day ass about eighteen 47 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 3: years old. You know, I grew up Catholic, went to 48 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 3: all the schooling, did all the stuff right, sacraments, all 49 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 3: that kind of stuff, And at age eighteen, I'm telling 50 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 3: my dad. I said, you know, I'm not going to 51 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 3: Mass tomorrow, Dad, because it's boring and I'm not getting 52 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 3: anything out of it. And he said, well, if you're 53 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 3: not going to Mass, then you're not living under my roof. 54 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 3: And I hated it so much I left. I left 55 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:46,239 Speaker 3: the house I at eighteen. At eighteen, I left to 56 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 3: go live in a cheap apartment rather than have to 57 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 3: spend one hour at Mass. That's how disconnected, how boring 58 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 3: I thought God was. Not that I didn't believe in him, 59 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 3: I just thought he was pretty boring subject matter. And 60 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 3: then time passes. About thirty years later is when I 61 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 3: suddenly realized that, oh he is still here and he's 62 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 3: still doing stuff. And it just took. It just took 63 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 3: watching people pray and miracles happening looking at our lady Guadeloupe, 64 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 3: and all the images in that and all this, all 65 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 3: the miracles in that eucharistic miracles were consecrated. Bread turns 66 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 3: into heart tissue left ventricle type ab every time, every 67 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 3: time there's a miracle like that. And I suddenly realized. 68 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 3: And I was sitting in this room. I was sitting 69 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 3: in this room, and I was buzzing. This was the 70 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 3: year two thousand and I was literally just buzzing, going 71 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 3: what is this? Because every everything I thought was true 72 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 3: isn't He was just so here, right, And so I 73 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 3: grabbed the Bible, which was here somewhere, and and I 74 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 3: just flipped it open and stuck my finger in there. 75 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 3: I didn't know I was playing Bible roulette, and I 76 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 3: landed on Psalm forty, and Psalm forty says, I cried 77 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 3: out to you God, and you stooped over and plucked 78 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 3: me out of the muck and put me on firm 79 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 3: ground and steadied me a f A new song in 80 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 3: my throat for others to hear and be affected by. 81 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 3: And I've been singing that song ever since. I can't 82 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 3: shut up about everything I'm witnessing with angel encounters and 83 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 3: divine intervention and near death experiences and prophetic dreams and 84 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 3: visions and all these things that I talk to people 85 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 3: about every week. We started Touched by Heaven seven and 86 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 3: a half years ago, and every week there's a new story. 87 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 3: We're about ready to hit episode four hundred of just 88 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 3: these incredible miracle stories and counter stories. And when you 89 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 3: have encounter, as you know, as you know, George, when 90 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 3: you have encounter, then comes repentance and then comes mission. 91 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 3: And I'm kind of on one. 92 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 2: And they're real stories, which is just enlightening and amazing, 93 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 2: isn't it. 94 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's the thing that amazes people When I 95 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 3: tell people stories. It's one thing, but when they hear 96 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 3: the episodeset Touched by Heaven and they hear the they 97 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 3: hear the passion of the person and the truthfulness of 98 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,559 Speaker 3: the person, they know it's real. And that's the idea 99 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 3: is it's either confirm our faith or maybe bring you 100 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 3: back to it. I was brought back to it. 101 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 2: I was like you. I was raised Catholic, went to 102 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 2: Catechism classes every week, went to church with my parents. 103 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 2: But you know, I would sit in church trapper and 104 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 2: I would hear the priest talking in Latin and it 105 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 2: was way over my head. I couldn't get it, and 106 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 2: I kept saying, on my folks, I don't understand what 107 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 2: they're talking about. What are they doing? And then why 108 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 2: do I my non Catholic friends didn't have to go 109 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 2: to confession every week like I did? Why do I 110 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 2: have to sit in the little booth and tell some 111 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 2: priests things that I did when my friends don't have 112 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 2: to go and they're going to get to heaven. And 113 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 2: I started fading away very spiritual. But I got away 114 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 2: from the church like you did, and I came back 115 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 2: to Catholic. I never I never went away from Catholic. 116 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 2: I didn't see anything better out there, if you will. 117 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 2: And actually I actually love the confessional. Now that may 118 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 2: sound really kind of weird, but it's just it's better 119 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 2: than seeing a shrink. 120 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 3: I'm telling you. It's just amazing that what gets unloaded there. 121 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 3: So I think I think that's pretty cool. But to 122 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 3: your point of you know, the Latin is now is 123 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 3: now English unless you want to go to a Latin mass, 124 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 3: of course, so you can certainly understand it. But I'm 125 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 3: old enough also to remember Latin masses when that was 126 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 3: the daily or the or the weekly thing to do. 127 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 3: And then I just I just found out that all 128 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 3: those mysteries started kind of opening up. But it took 129 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 3: so long. I was almost it was almost fifty years 130 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 3: old before I realized that all these things that we 131 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 3: read about in the Bible are still happening today. You 132 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 3: read about angels still happening today. You know, the near 133 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 3: death experiences I think are amazing in how they tell 134 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 3: us about there as an afterlife. Don't you agree with that? 135 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 3: I mean, you're hearing these things all the time too. 136 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 2: Absolutely. Now did you talk about any of this on 137 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 2: your radio shows in Cleveland when you were on the 138 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 2: ear the. 139 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 3: Last several years. I started opening it up to that, 140 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 3: and you know, it drove management nuts, but the ratings 141 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 3: were always so good. They couldn't just like say goodbye, 142 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 3: stop it because it worked. It worked, and it was honest, 143 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 3: you know, it was honest. I remember one time I 144 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 3: was I had George Carlin on the air, comedian George Carlin, right, 145 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,239 Speaker 3: I love that, and he was he was a tremendous comedian. 146 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 3: We used to, you know, give away tickets to a show, 147 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 3: go to a show's used to be on a regular basis, 148 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 3: and he was promoting some movie. But it was such 149 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 3: a bizarre case. We're talking to each other and he 150 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 3: just sounded angry. But you know, he always was kind 151 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 3: of the angry comedian, but funny, right, there was no funny. 152 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 3: He was just ticked at the world, ticked at the America. 153 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 3: It was just this swirling black goo going down the 154 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 3: drain that is American. I mean, he was just berating 155 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 3: America and everything. And I said, George, what what are 156 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 3: you angry at? And then he started getting angry at me, 157 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 3: and he starts to go, oh, don't try to psychoanalyze me. 158 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 3: I'm way above you, pale, and I'm going okay, And 159 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 3: somewhere along the way he kind of caught on that 160 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 3: I that I come from faith, and he said, don't 161 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 3: tell me that you you pray to that invisible man 162 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 3: in the sky and I said yeah every day, and 163 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 3: he goes, I thought you people in Cleveland were smarter 164 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 3: than that, you know. So now he's reving up, right, 165 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 3: he's just reving up, and I'm just I'm trying. I'm 166 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 3: trying to I'm trying to be nice, George, you know, 167 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 3: I'm trying to be nice and he's just angry. And 168 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 3: I said, how do you explain this, George? Is that 169 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 3: a church just this past Sunday, there's a woman in 170 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 3: a wheelchair, been in a wheelchair for quite a while, 171 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 3: and I saw people praying over here her. And there's 172 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 3: a before and after because I knew her before. And 173 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 3: she came out of the wheelchair and started walking. And 174 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 3: I had her come up to the pulpit to tell 175 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 3: her story about how she was standing on a footstool 176 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,959 Speaker 3: and her dog ran through the kitchen and took the 177 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 3: footstool out and down she went and blam on her back. 178 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 3: And she's been paralyzed ever since. I said, George, I 179 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 3: saw people pray and she came out of the wheelchair 180 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 3: through prayer. And he said, are you trying to tell 181 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 3: me that some people, some people's prayers are more powerful 182 00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 3: than others. And I said, just like some people are 183 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 3: funny than others. Ye, for whatever the reason, right, So 184 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 3: he's just he's just you know, And I just said, George, 185 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 3: I said, just God bless you. I said, somebody else 186 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 3: now sets the bar for me, or where where the 187 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 3: standard is, and it's higher than maybe where you say, 188 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 3: or I don't know, but God bless you and goodbye. 189 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 3: And uh, I don't know if anybody's ever hung up 190 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:28,199 Speaker 3: on George Carlin before. But it was like I was done, 191 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 3: you know, I was done. But what was interesting is 192 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:35,719 Speaker 3: that that woman who had the had the paralysis. There 193 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 3: was a local news man, Ted Henry, who did a 194 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,679 Speaker 3: week long series on the miracles that were associated with 195 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 3: a local doctor here and he showed he showed the 196 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 3: the X rays of the the bar that was in 197 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 3: her back. What happened was she had these bars in 198 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 3: her back to try to get her to stand up, 199 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 3: and the prayer had actually bent the bar, which was 200 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 3: pinching a nerve and that's why she was still stuck 201 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 3: in the chair. And so once that bar got bent 202 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,439 Speaker 3: the other way through prayer, she came out of the wheelchair. 203 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 3: I mean, you just can't make this stuff up. This, 204 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 3: this is what brought me back. This is what brought 205 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 3: me back. 206 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 2: And Carlin's been dead. Carlin's been dead seventeen years. I 207 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 2: wonder if he knows now what. 208 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 3: You were trying, knows a lot more now, he knows 209 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 3: a lot more. Yeah, I think we get a quick education. Yeah, 210 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 3: because there is an afterlife. You know that you've had 211 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 3: You know, it's funny. You know, you and I have 212 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 3: talked before about how God's the original paranormal. I don't 213 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,479 Speaker 3: think there's anyone on the planet who's heard more paranormal 214 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 3: stories than you. 215 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 2: Is there, You're right, not at this point, are. 216 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 3: For a while, but now we passed him up, you know, 217 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 3: I mean from every direction you've you've heard it, you've 218 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 3: heard it. I'm sure you buy some. I'm sure some 219 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 3: you don't. But you are the impeccable host with nothing 220 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,679 Speaker 3: but kindness. So and those of us who have been 221 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 3: guests on your show appreciate that. 222 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 2: I can't understand Trapper why it is what it is, 223 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 2: but I do believe it is, and that's the thing 224 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 2: I'm trying to seek that answer. I want to know 225 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 2: what God is. I'm a believer. 226 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 3: I want to know how it started. 227 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 2: I still can't have a scientist on the air to 228 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 2: explain what the Big Bang is. They can't tell me. 229 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 3: No, there's a little speck that suddenly explodes, and suddenly 230 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 3: we have all these galaxies out there, and it's all theory. 231 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 3: You know, it's all theory. And look at look at 232 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 3: how often science is wrong. First, they're thinking that the 233 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 3: galaxies are static, they're just sitting there. Oh no, no, no, 234 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 3: there was a bang and they're all being pushed out, 235 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 3: which means they're going to slow down and then be 236 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 3: pulled back in and then that speck again. Then they 237 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 3: find out no, it's speeding up. The galaxies are speeding 238 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 3: up and flying away from each other faster and faster, 239 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 3: which makes no sense unless there's another force from the outside, right, 240 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 3: that's right. 241 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 2: And then we happen to have life everywhere in the universe. 242 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 2: What's it all about, elfie? 243 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 3: Was it all about? And how did there's somebody had 244 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:01,079 Speaker 3: to put all that stuff out there? You know that 245 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 3: stuff came from somewhere. You walk, you're in your you're 246 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 3: in there in the on air studio there, and you 247 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 3: see look around, you see microphones, you see gear, you 248 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 3: see somebody put it there. And so when you look 249 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 3: around this universe, somebody put it there. It didn't just 250 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 3: show up. 251 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 2: On its own, right, And it's so methodical. Look at 252 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 2: the human look at the human body. We've got ears 253 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 2: to hear, we've got eyes to see, Thank God to 254 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 2: some of us. 255 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 3: Why do you have taste buds. There's absolutely no reason 256 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,839 Speaker 3: why you should have taste buds unless somebody likes you 257 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:37,679 Speaker 3: and one and a nose and a nose. But I'm 258 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 3: always amazed by things like taste buds, just like don't 259 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 3: have to be there. They don't have to be there. 260 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 3: You can just eat because you have to eat. No, 261 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 3: somebody wants you to enjoy food. 262 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 2: And you've got arms to do things, legs to move around. 263 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,199 Speaker 2: I mean, who would. 264 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:53,719 Speaker 3: Think that through I know, two eyes so you can 265 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 3: see distance, you know, you have to figure out how 266 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 3: far something is away. Just craziness, you know, it's craziness. 267 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 3: Little little hair on top, you still got some, you know, 268 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 3: to kind of keep a little warm, you know. Tell 269 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 3: us about your podcast, Touch by Hell, Touch by Heaven, 270 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 3: every Day Encounters with God. And I've been taken been 271 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 3: talking to people about you name it, you know, near 272 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 3: death experiences, whatever I'm trying to think. Want me just 273 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 3: throw a story at you, see. 274 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 2: I'll take one. 275 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 3: Sure. I think we had Stephen Boyle on he's been 276 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 3: kind of making the rounds with his NDE. A couple 277 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 3: of things that he pointed out that I think A 278 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 3: really interesting one is that he's walked walking around in 279 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 3: heaven and a little kid walks up and says, I 280 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 3: think you're my dad, And he says, what's your name? 281 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 3: He says, I'm Dan, Daniel, I'm Daniel. He says, well, 282 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 3: my wife was pregnant. We were going to call if 283 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 3: it was a boy. We were going to call the child. Daniel. 284 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 3: Is that you? And he says, that's me. I'm growing 285 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 3: up here in heaven. It just points out, and I've 286 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 3: heard this from so many people who've had this experience, 287 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 3: women in particular, course, when they have miscarriages, the child 288 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 3: goes to heaven and the child is growing up in heaven, 289 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 3: because so many of these near death experiences involve the 290 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:07,439 Speaker 3: women meeting the child in heaven as there as they're 291 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 3: growing up. And whether that's through miscarriage, abortion doesn't matter. 292 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 3: The child is up there waiting for us. He's waiting, 293 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 3: you know, they're waiting for us. And we've had a 294 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,439 Speaker 3: couple of miscarriages, and I'm just you know, sometimes you 295 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 3: want to you want to name those children because they 296 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 3: need a name, and they're growing up in heaven and 297 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 3: you're going to meet them later on. So I believe 298 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 3: that the other thing that was interesting about his case. 299 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 3: His angel took him into the throne room or the 300 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 3: Father and Jesus are there, and they kneel down on 301 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 3: the door, of course, and then the angel shoves Stephen 302 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 3: towards the throne to where God and Father and Jesus are, 303 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 3: and Jesus walked up to him and they had a conversation. 304 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 3: But on the way out, Steve said to his angel, 305 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 3: what was that? Why are you shoving me? And he says, 306 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 3: I'm an angel, I'm a servant, you're his, You're the 307 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 3: father's son. You're an adopted son, as the Bible says. 308 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 3: And if you know you history, you know that in 309 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 3: Roman days, when you adopted a child, that was more 310 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 3: firm than having a child. You could take your own 311 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 3: child and throw them, throw them away. I don't know, 312 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 3: I wanted a girl and I got a boy, whatever 313 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 3: the other way around, or your limbs, whatever, you can 314 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 3: throw your child away, but when you adopted a child, 315 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 3: you could not get out of that arrangement. And so 316 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 3: when the Bible says we are his adopted children, that 317 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 3: means there's no way out. He is totally all in 318 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 3: on us, and he's not letting go. 319 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 2: In your podcast, what stories come up the most after that. 320 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 3: Angel stories, Angels taking steering wheels, angels, Let's see how 321 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 3: much tangus you can take. My check, you're on. You're 322 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 3: on for an hour and a half to go, i know, 323 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 3: before breaks and things like that. I'm just trying to 324 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 3: think of a recent angel story that was in particular. 325 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 3: Here's one. Woman's name is Teresa. This is just kind 326 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 3: of a little story which I found so interesting. She's 327 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 3: with a friend in Chicago. They're they're at a they're 328 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 3: having lunch together in a restaurant and they are laughing 329 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 3: and they're and they're just eating and so it's kind 330 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 3: of a case where you're eating fast and you're laughing 331 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 3: and you're throwing food in your mouth. And she starts 332 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 3: she chokes on a on a French fry and she's 333 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 3: just and she's just hacking a coffin and it's like, 334 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 3: oh my gosh, and she needs to get somebody's attention 335 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 3: because it's Heimlich time. She is she's about ready to 336 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 3: pass out. And she stands up and she's waving and 337 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 3: she realizes that the room is still nobody's moving. Her 338 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 3: friend at the table isn't moving. Everything has come to 339 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 3: this silent stop. She feels a arm around her shoulder 340 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 3: and a voice that says, you have a little air 341 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 3: in there. You're okay. You're breathing too fast. Take a 342 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 3: sip of water, You're okay. She looks down. There's no 343 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 3: nobody next to her. She doesn't see feet, she doesn't 344 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 3: see shoes, she doesn't see pants. She just has a 345 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 3: voice and an arm around her guiding her through this 346 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 3: moment where time seems to have stood still. And she's 347 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,959 Speaker 3: slowly working this burning French fry down down her throat 348 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 3: and sipping water and as she's fine, and this voice 349 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 3: is still going, that's it, you're getting there, your fine 350 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 3: guy voice. And then she slowly sits down at the 351 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 3: table where she was with her friend. The volume comes 352 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 3: back up in the room. Everybody, all the noise is 353 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 3: starting to be made. Her friend kind of comes to also, 354 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 3: and Teresa looks at her friend and says, what was that? 355 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 3: And she goes, I don't know, he said, do you 356 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 3: do you see me choking? Kind of but it's like 357 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 3: this moment that just stood still for the angel to help. 358 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 3: Teresa got through it and now we move on. I 359 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 3: love it, but I hear those those kinds of angel 360 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 3: stories all the time, all the time. 361 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at 362 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 1: one a m. Eastern and go to Coast to coastam 363 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: dot com for more