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Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff,

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Speaker 2: your weekly reminder that sometimes I take a week off

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Speaker 2: and do a rerun episode like this time where it's

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Speaker 2: a rerun instead of a new episode. But it's from

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Speaker 2: a while ago and maybe you haven't heard it. It's

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Speaker 2: about food not Bombs, which is a group that does

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Speaker 2: exactly what it says it does, and about how important

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Speaker 2: mutual aid is and how important taking care of each

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Speaker 2: other is.

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Speaker 3: So I hope you like it.

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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff,

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Speaker 2: your weekly podcast that brings you all the cool history

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Speaker 2: and cool people who did I'm your host. I'm tired

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Speaker 2: of saying the word cool one thousand times in every introduction,

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Speaker 2: but that's the way it's going to be. My name

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Speaker 2: is Margaret kilj and with me this week is none

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Speaker 2: other than Andrew T, who is the host of the

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Speaker 2: also does What It Says It Does podcast?

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Speaker 3: Yo? Is this racist?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Andrew? Are you doing pretty straight up? Yeah? I'm good. Good. Uh, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I've been.

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Speaker 4: I'm on a merciful hiatus from my day job, so.

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Speaker 3: I'm still I'm still at the point in.

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Speaker 4: The like like week where I'm like, I still wake

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Speaker 4: up at six am, even though I don't have anywhere

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Speaker 4: to be and things like that.

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Speaker 2: So stare at the wall being like, I don't understand.

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Speaker 2: I have so much to do, but how do I

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Speaker 2: do it?

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Speaker 3: I'm just like so tired.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, for no good reason, I saw I hung

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Speaker 4: out with a friend's child. I'm gonna just back of

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Speaker 4: the envelope it and say, like a three or four

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Speaker 4: year old, And I was like sitting on the couch

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Speaker 4: and fell asleep while she was talking to me. And

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Speaker 4: apparently she like simply did not stop talking the whole time.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm at that, just like, why am I

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Speaker 3: so tired? I'm just falling asleep.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well I will attempt not to put you to sleep.

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Speaker 3: No, no, I'm awake. I had I had coffee.

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Speaker 2: And So for anyone's listening who doesn't know it, just

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Speaker 2: I don't know if there's any of you you know,

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Speaker 2: is this racist has been around for?

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Speaker 3: Was it like ten years now or something?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Than notthing like that?

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Speaker 2: Oh God, And from my point of view, honestly, it

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Speaker 2: did a lot to shape discussions about race, at least

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Speaker 2: in the subcultures that I'm part of. So thanks for

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Speaker 2: doing that we used to like crowd around a not

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Speaker 3: Good lord.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been such a like, you know, such a

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Speaker 4: evolution also of just like how people talk about stuff,

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Speaker 4: and you know, I've grown and then I had a

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Speaker 4: co host a couple of years ago with Tawny Newsome,

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Speaker 4: so we've all like, you know, both been part of conversations,

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Speaker 4: but also everyone's talking about this stuff in a in

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Speaker 4: a smarter way, but also.

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Speaker 3: Not but yeah, it's nice.

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Speaker 4: It's nice to just have a thing to do that

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Speaker 4: that's a that's you know, more or less my own,

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Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: And the thing that I've always liked about doing Joss

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Speaker 4: Racist is as a person of color in comedy, more

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Speaker 4: often than I would like, wind up in situations where

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Speaker 4: it's like all white folks around, and you know, sometimes

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Speaker 4: people expect you to be the arbiter of this shit

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Speaker 4: simply by virtue of not being white. And now I

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Speaker 4: can offload that stuff to podcast. I can just you know,

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Speaker 4: I'm not on the clock right now.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, totally. I'm not going to tell you

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Speaker 4: I don't want to talk me about this shit. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I have a time to do this and it's not

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I hear you have a tour coming up? Is

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Speaker 3: that true? Just a few tour dates.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Austin on the twentieth of August and Brooklyn on

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Speaker 4: the tenth of September. I'm realizing the months ago seven,

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Speaker 3: Anyway, I'm glad now it is a numerology. I'm just

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Speaker 3: looking at this. Yeah, but uh yeah. Suboptimal pods dot com.

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Speaker 4: Suboptimal Pods is the little not even network because it's

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Speaker 4: just us, me and my co host Tany Newso we

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Speaker 4: made a little website and a little little thing for

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Speaker 4: when we went independent a couple of years ago. Anyway,

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Speaker 4: please come see us.

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Speaker 3: It would be lovely. Hopefully I will entertain you all

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Speaker 3: now enough to make a case to see us live.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm optimistic. We also have our producer, Sophie Lickdhiman

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Speaker 2: on the call. How are you today, Sophie?

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Speaker 1: I am doing well, Margaret, thank you for asking.

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Speaker 2: Sophie, did you ever have a tumbler?

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Speaker 3: I did not.

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Speaker 1: That was like the one that was like the one

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Speaker 3: I really think I'm jealous.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean in retrospect, yes, but it does seem

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Speaker 4: like the kind of shit you would like.

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Speaker 5: It definitely does.

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Speaker 1: But I honestly was did not have access to like

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Speaker 3: Sure, Okay I was.

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Speaker 1: I was more of like an outside kid, more of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, doing doing actual ship.

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Speaker 1: Yeah I did get I did get my MySpace scrubbed

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Speaker 1: from the internet like a few years back, because there

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Speaker 1: to like contact them because they because because when you

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Speaker 1: like awkward like tween age photos of me on the internet.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, you had had to work really hard to

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Speaker 1: scrub You have to contact my Space still exists, but

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Speaker 1: you have to contact them, and you have to contact

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Speaker 1: them like a lot, and then you can get your

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Speaker 1: my space scrubbed because it was.

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Speaker 3: Y'all keep talking, I'm gonna go ahead and just see

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Speaker 2: I am so grateful for the fact that I was

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Speaker 5: So much back in my day the Internet.

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Speaker 2: But I was an adult when I was on MySpace,

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Speaker 2: and so I was posting cringy stuff. But it's like

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Speaker 2: twenty three year old me cringy stuff or something. You know,

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Speaker 2: multiple I had multiple MySpace profiles for the same band

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Speaker 3: Up more the whole. Oh wow, yeah, yeah, so enterprising.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it appears as if I am not on my Space.

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Speaker 5: I'm so happy for you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because it was.

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Speaker 1: It was a mission to innermove what was an interesting

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Speaker 2: Okay, so speaking of things that have cringy moments and

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Speaker 2: really beautiful moments, much like Sophie's MySpace. I'm sure I

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Speaker 2: don't know what order we're going to release the episodes,

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Speaker 2: but the last week, last week, we recorded this tier

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Speaker 2: didn't want to do that this week. So this week

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Speaker 2: I've got something a little lighter. It doesn't have zero

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Speaker 2: many fewer, all right, And because anywhere there's activists, there's

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Speaker 2: bad stuff they're fighting against and people trying to stop them. Right.

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Speaker 2: But today we're going to talking about how cool it

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Speaker 2: is when people share food with each other, because today

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Speaker 2: we're going to talk about a long standing global mutual

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Speaker 2: aid project. Andrew, how do you feel about mutual aid?

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Speaker 4: Uh? Yeah, I've been I've been trying to get more

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Speaker 4: involved in the one that I my friend set out

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Speaker 3: Oh cool.

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Speaker 4: It's called Solidarity and Snacks, which I guess actually, if

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Speaker 4: there's another plug the last meeting that I missed, apparently

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Speaker 4: we are once again, as perpetually, we are running low

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Speaker 4: on funds. So solidarity and snacks go, go and donate

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Speaker 3: Those are two good things in one title. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So today we're going to talk about a story of

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Speaker 2: a mutual aid group that has spent a lot of

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Speaker 2: time on the FBI's domestic Terrorist watch list. It's an

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Speaker 2: international conspiracy. It's present on every continent on Earth except Antarctica.

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Speaker 2: It's present in at least sixty countries. It has somewhere

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Speaker 2: Since pretty much nineteen eighty, thousands of members of this

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Speaker 2: San Francisco in nineteen eighty eight. Because today we're going

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Speaker 2: to talk about food not bombs, Yes, I figure we're

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was in high school.

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Speaker 4: I grew up in Annaburm, Michigan, which is a you know,

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Speaker 4: sort of because of college child vibes, like a big

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Speaker 4: It was often like yeah, things like like littering or

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Speaker 4: like you know, serving like unlicensed food prep and things

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Speaker 3: Yeah, with the crime. Yeah, yeah totally.

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Speaker 2: And we're going to get into how like it's you know,

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Speaker 4: So I mean that's that has been the one thing

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Speaker 4: the act of not having of trying to make people's

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Speaker 4: something like this is the revolution that my personal old

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Speaker 3: Also, yeah, totally, we can just fucking help people. And

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Speaker 3: that's like kind of a revelation I think for me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like realizing that it actually Yeah, the fact that

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Speaker 2: I mean, I want to feed people. That rules, but

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Speaker 2: because they're trying to stop you from doing it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're really pissed about it. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So anthropologist David Giles called food nut Bomb's tongue in cheek.

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Speaker 2: He calls it a mass conspiracy to feed people or

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Speaker 2: a network of anarchist soup kitchens. And importantly, Food not

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Speaker 2: Bombs tries for a mutual aid model rather than a

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Speaker 2: charity model. It's basically attempting to create horizont care rather

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Speaker 2: It's a mass, leaderless movement of autonomous groups that just

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Speaker 2: and then follow three basic principles of the non group.

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Speaker 2: those are the three rules. But even these three rules

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, and they're getting the same donations

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Speaker 3: Who fuck it? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: And then like, the vegan thing does have a extremely

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Speaker 2: That is literally the next sense of my script. That

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Speaker 4: I forgot like at one point we were getting oh shoot,

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Speaker 4: had vegan burritos. How they were like contributing, and it

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Speaker 3: It's always the same thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love foodut bombs. But I I didn't eat

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Speaker 4: It is it is that, like, God, we feel like

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Speaker 4: someone should just do like like the updated Mutual Aid cookbook. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Totally okay.

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Speaker 2: And the other rule that people I think break are

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Speaker 4: Sure, yeah, I mean I think I think rightfully. It's

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Speaker 3: Like, all right, what are we going to cook? What?

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Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah, I was the one with no responsibilities,

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Speaker 4: like yeah, you you make it so the food trucks

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Speaker 2: Oh, you're right, and it's part of and now I'm

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, absolutely, it's one of those things because

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Speaker 3: That I ever threw a brick, but I.

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Speaker 4: But this pair phrase, which is like, you know, it's

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Speaker 2: It's part of the invisibilized labor too, right, like, yeah.

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Speaker 2: all right, we're going to food ut Bombs. So I

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Speaker 2: is at the time is a very important distinction in

442
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Speaker 2: between the crustpunks who live in houses and the krusties

443
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:13,800
Speaker 2: who don't. All the terminology has changed since then. There's

444
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,880
Speaker 2: no point in me telling anyone this. They come out

445
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 2: and they have all these trays of food. It's a

446
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 2: three course meal. It's actually the best food nut bombs

447
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,680
Speaker 2: meal I've ever eaten. They had like made dessert. They

448
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 2: made this like raspberry cobbler, and it was hundreds of

449
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 2: people in the park from a lot not all walks

450
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,199
Speaker 2: of life, right, but a lot of different walks of

451
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 2: life of people are in this park eating this food

452
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,439
Speaker 2: it And that was kind of when I learned that

453
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,640
Speaker 2: there was almost this like and I when I say

454
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,680
Speaker 2: was was because my own knowledge of food out bombs

455
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,120
Speaker 2: tapers off, my own direct involvement in food nut bombs

456
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,119
Speaker 2: tapers off. But at least at the time, there was

457
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 2: this kind of like network of all of the different

458
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,440
Speaker 2: East Coast cities were kind of competing to see who

459
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 2: had the best food, the most food, the most servings,

460
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Speaker 2: and the feed the most people. And it ruled like

461
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 2: it just you know, that's the competition I'm really excited about,

462
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 2: is the like super friendly competition when we all just

463
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 2: get better at everything, you know.

464
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Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, that that that's sort of like exactly

465
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 4: the best version of this sort of thing.

466
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Speaker 3: I guess.

467
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 4: It's also like having not as close but witness sort

468
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,120
Speaker 4: of these things. Also like It is remarkable how that

469
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 4: what should be friendly competition can then also turn to

470
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 4: like Bonker's hierarchical bullshit.

471
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just like, come on totally, but any power,

472
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:36,640
Speaker 3: I guess is always dangerous.

473
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Speaker 2: Yep okay. So the history of food out bombs. So

474
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,200
Speaker 2: it started as a bit of it was a prank,

475
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 2: kind of a bit of street theater. And one of

476
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 2: the problems doing the history of food not bombs, we

477
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 2: mostly have one guy's word for it. The guy's still

478
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 2: around who still cooks food ut bombs, mostly in Santa Cruz.

479
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 2: His name's Keith McHenry, and I don't agree with most

480
00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 2: of his takes on current events. He's kind of gone

481
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:06,400
Speaker 2: anti vax oh sure, but but we mostly have his word.

482
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 2: We also have a word from our sponsors. Yeah. So,

483
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 2: one of the things that's very important to know about

484
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 2: cool People did cool stuff is that we are only

485
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 2: sponsored by very positive things and also things that you

486
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,919
Speaker 2: can't buy. So, for example, we are our perpetual, longest

487
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,360
Speaker 2: running sponsor is the concept of potatoes. No individual potato

488
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 2: vendor or even style, but just the concept of potatoes.

489
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Speaker 2: And I'm wondering if you have anything particularly positive that

490
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Speaker 2: you would like Sophie to do the work to get

491
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Speaker 2: to sponsor this particular episode.

492
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Speaker 1: Previous sponsors have been the concept of tap water, the

493
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Speaker 1: concept of meal.

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Speaker 4: I see, well, yeah, just a little of the dogs.

495
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Speaker 4: I'm using a toothpick to point to the dogs.

496
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Speaker 5: Concept of dogs.

497
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Speaker 4: Dogs like a sleepy dog, a sleepy dog.

498
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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 4: My absolute worst thing that I've done in the last

500
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Speaker 4: two years is I have trained the dogs to go

501
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 4: into the crate by saying go to.

502
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Speaker 3: And they go. They hop right in the crate and

503
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 3: it's funny to me, but not awesome.

504
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Speaker 5: I love that.

505
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Speaker 2: My friend had a header dog trained to put his

506
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Speaker 2: paws on the wall. If you said cops, he would

507
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 2: go up and put his paws.

508
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Speaker 5: That's amazing.

509
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really you know, your relationship with your dogs

510
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 4: is interesting.

511
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

512
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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's give give it up for these little for

513
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 3: the snooze and dogs.

514
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 2: Sleeping dogs and whatever whoever else paid us the money

515
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 2: and put ads on the show. Okay, and we are

516
00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 2: back from those excellent advertisements about sleeping dogs. If there

517
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 2: were any other advertisements at all, please complain to Sophie.

518
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 2: You can find her on Twitter at irate okay and

519
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 2: so Keith McHenry, one of the founders of food nut

520
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 2: Bombs and the primary historian of food ut bombs, and

521
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 2: I'm I don't think he has any particular reason to

522
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 2: lie about any of this, but it's just sort of

523
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:25,200
Speaker 2: frustrating that I can't check against other things very effectively.

524
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 2: And he sometimes centers himself a little bit in the history, but.

525
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 3: Maybe it's completely accurate. I don't know.

526
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 2: So he seems to be the one who runs the

527
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Speaker 2: food out Bombs website.

528
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:37,959
Speaker 3: Anyway.

529
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Speaker 2: I like food nut bombs as a mass movement, is

530
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 2: what I'm trying to say, and no offense to this

531
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 2: particular person who I disagree with on some stuff, so

532
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 2: sure it grows out of the anti nuclear movement. On

533
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 2: May twenty fourth in nineteen eighty there's this big civil

534
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Speaker 2: disobedience protest at a nuclear power plant construction site in

535
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Speaker 2: New Hampshire. And I know that nuclear power is kind

536
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 2: of more of a complex issue in the current context

537
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 2: of global warming and as we try and figure out

538
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 2: what the how we're going to do, But at the time,

539
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 2: nuclear power especially was understood as a pretty clear danger,

540
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 2: right the anti nuke movement spent its time drawing attention

541
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 2: to that danger and especially nuclear disarmament, and the fact

542
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 2: that they were all expecting to die in like a

543
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 2: nuclear war at any given moment. And they were also

544
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 2: did all this six years before Chernobyl, so they clearly

545
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 2: weren't entirely wrong about the dangers of nuclear power plants.

546
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 2: So they decided to try and stop this place from

547
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Speaker 2: being built, and they do it through mass CIVI disobedience,

548
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 2: and the way they go about it is really fucking cool.

549
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 2: Four Thousand people show up, and that's not huge for

550
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 2: a protest, but it's really big for direct action. Four

551
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 2: Thousand people with construction helmets and diy padded armor and

552
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 2: grappline hooks and shit show up and they are all

553
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 2: set to tear down the fence, storm the place, and

554
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 2: put their bodies in front of bulldozers in nonviolence of

555
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 2: disobedience form the government, though the government doesn't actually want

556
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 2: them to do this for some odd reas I wasn't

557
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 2: able to find the government's reasoning for stopping them, But

558
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 2: they go about working trying to stop them. The National

559
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 2: Guard shows up, They wade in with batons to beat

560
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 2: the shit out of everyone. They pepper spray everyone, helicopters

561
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 2: dropped hear gas on them from helicopters.

562
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 3: I guess the helicopters are the helicopters.

563
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 2: And the spokesperson for the protesters, a guy named Brian Figenbaum.

564
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Speaker 2: May or may not have hit a cop with a

565
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 2: grappling hook. That is what he got arrested for, anyhow,

566
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 2: and I would argue that he deserves support even if

567
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 2: he didn't do it. So so his support team, thanks,

568
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 2: thanks for laughing at my joke.

569
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Speaker 3: I appreciate it. It took me a second. I was like,

570
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 3: I got it. Yeah, yeah, I wrote it.

571
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 2: And I was like, this is gonna work. I don't

572
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 2: know anyway, So his support team goes about trying to

573
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 2: raise money for his legal defense. And so they're like,

574
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 2: all right, it's nineteen eighty and you're how would what's

575
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 2: the first non crime method that you would use to

576
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 2: try and raised money?

577
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 3: I'm curious in the eighties and nineteen eighties. God, I

578
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 3: don't know. It's okay, there's kind of there's got to

579
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 3: be some some like securities.

580
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 2: So I said, non crime, non crime crime.

581
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 3: I think those guys were not charged with them, all right.

582
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Speaker 5: All right, I like mine, Dan Pathon.

583
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, there it is and the world will be a

584
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 2: very different place if they had gone with dancethon. They

585
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 2: did not, No, they went with a bake sale. Cute,

586
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 2: and a bake sale is a very cute way to

587
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 2: have people have muffins and brownies, but it is not

588
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 2: a particular effective way to raise money on the scale

589
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 2: that they're attempting to raise money, so it doesn't work

590
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 2: very well. And so they're like, Okay, you know that cliche.

591
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:55,959
Speaker 2: It'll be a great day when our schools get all

592
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 2: the money they need and the Air Force has to

593
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 2: hold a bake sale to buy a b one b Okay.

594
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 2: So my theory is that in the eighties, everyone in

595
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 2: the United States was mailed a poster that says this,

596
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 2: and that's how it became a cliche, much like how

597
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 2: I believe it was two thousand and five where the

598
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 2: government mailed everyone a co Exists sticker so that they

599
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 2: could put it on their car.

600
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

601
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so they're look, I mean, I feel like I

602
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 4: having grown up in like a kind of hippie college town,

603
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 4: I'm just like, I feel like I know the exact

604
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 4: person who probably had to be making those fucking coexists.

605
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, totally Yeah, they're also anti vaccine.

606
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, hippies hippies when anti boomers hippies.

607
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 2: When I guess no, that's just the way, Like we

608
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 2: don't trust the government, and I'm like, I don't either,

609
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 2: but I trust scientists sometimes.

610
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

611
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Speaker 4: Well it's also like I mean, obviously we don't, you know,

612
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 4: go go down this road. But it's like, that's not

613
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 4: how the government is going to fuck It's so weird.

614
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 4: It's like they're going to fuck you by not giving

615
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 4: you a vaccine, you lunatic, or charging your money for them.

616
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:06,719
Speaker 4: If you think they have goddamn terminator style nanobots.

617
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 3: Then like it's over. It's over at that point. The vaccine.

618
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, the vaccine is by far the least of your work.

619
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 4: Bill Gates can't even get you to buy a fucking telephone.

620
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 3: You think you could control people's minds?

621
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 2: Oh, if he did, it would just be through advertising,

622
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 2: and like yeah, yeah.

623
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 3: It's they are control of your mind in a different way.

624
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 3: I'm so dumb.

625
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 2: Sorry, they would be buying advertising and politically radical shows.

626
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 3: Oh no, this is.

627
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 4: Like twenty twenty yeah, uh level of discourse.

628
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 3: I apologize for being so far behind it.

629
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 2: All right, I live under a rock, So okay, So

630
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 2: they look at this poster. They have a copy. They

631
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 2: apparently they got one because they were like they also

632
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 2: like a moving company. They just had a bunch of

633
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 2: different odd jobs and someone like gave them a poster

634
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 2: and they look at the post like, oh, that's a

635
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 2: good idea. So they have another bake sale, but this

636
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 2: time they dress up like generals and they just say

637
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 2: we're here to raise money by a bomber. And this

638
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 2: once again does not raise much money for their friend.

639
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 2: But what it does is it shows them that street

640
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 2: theater is a very effective means to communicate with people

641
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 2: and talk to people, because the first bake sale is

642
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,719
Speaker 2: kind of a wash. Second bake sale they don't make

643
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 2: any money, but they talk to people and people get

644
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 2: are like, oh, what's this about. And they get to

645
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 2: like talk about all their politics and stuff with passerby,

646
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 2: and people are into it. So they're like, all right,

647
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:40,239
Speaker 2: street theater, that's the thing. And so the next thing

648
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 2: they do, they're not even trying to raise money anymore.

649
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 2: They just want to protest some banks that are funding

650
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 2: nuclear nonsense. And so there's a big stockholder meeting. It's

651
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 2: March twenty sixth, nineteen eighty one, and the activists decide

652
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 2: to stag just okay, this part's actually really cringey. They

653
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 2: decide to stage a soup kitchen in front, which is okay,

654
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 2: and they're like, these policies are what led us to

655
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 2: the Great Depression. We don't want to go back. I'm like, okay,

656
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 2: I'm with you. And then they're like, so let's dress

657
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 2: up like homeless people. I'm no longer with them. And

658
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 2: then sure, they're like, and let's go to a homeless

659
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 2: shelter the night before and recruit people to come be

660
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 2: extras in our street theater at this protest by telling

661
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 2: them that we'll give them some soup if they come.

662
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 2: And I don't want to like deny the people who

663
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 2: came their agency, but like, I don't know, I don't

664
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 2: I don't love this.

665
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, any anything conditional is always like yeah, yeah,

666
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 4: you sort of like see exactly like the origins of this, Yeah,

667
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 4: this like kind of type of movement.

668
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 3: In a way, you're like, okay, well.

669
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 4: But that is actually why it's nice that you know,

670
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 4: there's I think the emphasis on a non hierarchical kind

671
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 4: of thing. At least it's like good there's no there's

672
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 4: no gods, there's no founding fathers that we have to

673
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 4: give a shit about you in this mutual aid.

674
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, which is like so yeah, yeah, and you know,

675
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 2: and I could be like super grateful that you know,

676
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 2: they what they set up and like, and so they

677
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 2: staged this protest. They set up a soup kitchen and

678
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 2: like fifty people from the shelter come and they show

679
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 2: up for lunch and everyone was happy and everything was

680
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 2: good based on what we know of it. And the

681
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 2: fifty folks were like, there's no one really feeding people

682
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 2: downtown is Boston, No one really feeding downtown. You should

683
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 2: do this every day. And I would argue that these

684
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 2: fifty anonymous people are the true founders of food, not bombs.

685
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 2: But that's just my own yeah yeah, And they're like, okay,

686
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 2: we're actually onto something here. So all these activists, they're like,

687
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 2: food matters, Food brings people together. People also need food.

688
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 2: People seem to be addicted to it for some odd reason.

689
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 2: And so they all quit their jobs. And depending on

690
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 2: who you ask, they either rented a house or squatted

691
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 2: a house. And now I would argue, quit your job

692
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 2: and rent a house is a sort of contradictory statement.

693
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:08,240
Speaker 2: So my money is on squad of house, Oh yeah,

694
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 2: you know, or you know, or one of them had

695
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 2: a bunch of money from somewhere, which is totally fine,

696
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 2: and if so, they just if so, they use their parents'

697
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 2: money incredibly well, but my money is on squad at

698
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 2: a house. And they just go about doing this, and

699
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 2: they start soliciting donations of food that would be going

700
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 2: to waste from bakeries and food co ops. One of

701
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 2: them worked at a food co op and was like

702
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 2: used to throwing away all this food and was like

703
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 2: this sucks, you know. And they start cooking all this

704
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 2: food and they start bringing it to shelters, to rehabs,

705
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 2: to immigrant support centers, to housing projects. Basically, they're like,

706
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,919
Speaker 2: anywhere someone needs food, we're showing up with food. We're

707
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 2: good at finding food, and we will bring it to people.

708
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 2: And then with the like kind of leftovers, they start

709
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 2: having this feed in Harvard Square and they set up

710
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,240
Speaker 2: Food for All Commerce and these feeds turn into events

711
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 2: and people are bringing puppets and drums and all that

712
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 2: shit that eighties activists were super into, and people are

713
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 2: sharing radical literature, and then they're running around graffeiti and

714
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 2: everything with like peace graffiti. I've totally met this kind

715
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 2: of person before, and I love them, even though I'm

716
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 2: not one of them, you know. And one of the

717
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 2: slogans that they use in their tag is money for

718
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 2: Food not Bombs, and eventually this gets shortened to food

719
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 2: not Bombs, and that's how the whole project gets its name,

720
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 2: or Keith Henry coined, it depends on who you ask, sure,

721
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 2: And I'm going to take one more swife at this

722
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 2: particular weird history stuff. Soon they had a logo too,

723
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 2: which is a purple fist holding a carrot. That's the

724
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 2: Food not Bomb's logo, and Keith McHenry drew that, but

725
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 2: the Food co Op movement had been using a fist

726
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,280
Speaker 2: holding a carrot as a logo since the nineteen seventies.

727
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 2: So anyway, whatever, like yeah, I actually kind of don't care, like,

728
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 2: go ahead.

729
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's that era, Yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah, it's just

730
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,399
Speaker 4: sort of that era and that type of folks. And

731
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,280
Speaker 4: there's a kind of limit to how much different graphic

732
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 4: design you can that's.

733
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 2: A good point, yeah, totally. And so culturally this group

734
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 2: grows out of the anti nuke movement. Which was a

735
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 2: a fun mix of anarchists and Quaker who are both.

736
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 3: Friends of the pod.

737
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 2: They seem to show up constantly, well, the anarchists because

738
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 2: I'm one, so I keep throwing them in. But the

739
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,399
Speaker 2: Quakers said no idea when I started this podcast. How

740
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 2: fucking radical the Quakers are throughout everything in history. And

741
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 2: then also radical Catholics are part of the anti nuke movement,

742
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 2: and and I know some of the founders of the

743
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 2: of Funabombs or anarchists.

744
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:22,439
Speaker 3: I don't know if all of them were.

745
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 2: It's possible because they like they seem to practice a

746
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 2: lot of the cultural norms of like anarchist activism throughout

747
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 2: this time. But it's also possible that they just set

748
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 2: those norms.

749
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 3: So I don't know.

750
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 2: But the anti nuke movement, it's drawing from these three sources.

751
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 2: And as far as I can tell, you get direct action, protest,

752
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 2: and youthful vigor from the anarchists. You get consensus decision

753
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 2: making from the Quakers, and from the Catholics. You get

754
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 2: this you do what is right, whether it's safe or not.

755
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 2: And then you also get this idea that I had

756
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 2: no idea about, but I got kind of excited about

757
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 2: when I learned about this idea called personalism, this theological concept,

758
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 2: and this segues us into me explaining the different ways

759
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 2: that people talk and look at homelessness.

760
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 3: So I want to do that. Yeah, all right, uh huh?

761
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 2: Are you to go into personal But it's going to

762
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 2: come back around. Oh do you know do you know

763
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 2: about personalism? Because if so?

764
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: No?

765
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 3: No, yeah, I really am just like yeah.

766
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 2: Okay, No, it's going to come back around to it.

767
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:20,760
Speaker 3: So amazing.

768
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:22,959
Speaker 2: Okay, So this I'm going to contrast two theories about

769
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 2: homelessness and extreme poverty, as a named by sociologist Teresa Gowen.

770
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 2: And I hate a good versus bad dichotomy, but this

771
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 2: is a good versus bad dichotomy because one of these

772
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,280
Speaker 2: ideas is good and one of these ideas is bad.

773
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 2: The first theory Gowan called sick talk, and this theory

774
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 2: claims that people are homeless because of mental health, addiction,

775
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 2: and criminality. Do you want to guess whether this is

776
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 2: the good theory or the bad theory? By my standard,

777
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:50,320
Speaker 2: I'm comfortable saying.

778
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 3: Yes, surprise, I love this one. I'm just kidding.

779
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 2: So sick talk goes back centuries. Everyone always wants to

780
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 2: blame individuals for social problems. I don't know if you've

781
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 2: run a trust this before.

782
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 3: Yes.

783
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 2: In contrast, you've got system talk, and I think that

784
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 2: they use these terms to be like the way people

785
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 2: talk about it, right, So you can either talk about

786
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 2: people as sick or you can talk about systems. And

787
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 2: during the Great Depression, future friends of the pod industrial

788
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 2: workers of the world, the Wobblies, they push this sort

789
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 2: of theory. This theory is basically that homelessness is driven

790
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 2: by the boom and bus cycles of capitalism and the

791
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 2: economy's need for a huge reserve of workers. And for

792
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 2: a good forty years or so after the Depression, even

793
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 2: the US government is on system talk, kind of a

794
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 2: watered down one compared to what the labor unions want.

795
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 2: And this is where you get like the New Deal

796
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 2: and all that shit from, which is like trying to

797
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 2: moderate out the worst bad stuff about capitalism in a

798
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 2: lot of ways, as far as I understand, basically to

799
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 2: be like, well, we either do this or people start

800
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 2: thinking that the USSRS looks like a good idea.

801
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 3: You know.

802
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 2: Then Reagan came in and dismantled all that shit. In

803
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 2: the eighties, with this free market bullshit, which caused a

804
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 2: spike in homelessness, which then got blamed on people getting

805
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 2: out of mental institutions, right, even though actually there were

806
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 2: more people going into mental institutions, not the other way around.

807
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 2: But right, right, Siktok isn't a totally fuck them approach.

808
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 2: It's not just a like I don't care, let them

809
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 2: die in the streets. Instead it's like, yeah, like system

810
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 2: talk is like, well, let's provide everyone what they need,

811
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 2: or at least let's set up like work programs and

812
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 2: help everyone deal with shit, where siktok solutions are like,

813
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 2: oh no, everyone who's homeless is sick and needs treatment,

814
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 2: and they treat homelessness as this individual problem.

815
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

816
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 4: Well, it's also that you know that the thing the

817
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 4: charity versus mutual aid thing, as you talked about earlier,

818
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 4: which is like which is also a vocabulary I'm like

819
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 4: not good at. But yeah, this idea that it's like

820
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 4: like sick sick talks as we were, as you were,

821
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 4: is sort of like leads to this like pity. Yeah

822
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 4: you do this out of pity, which.

823
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 3: Is not like a fact.

824
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 2: I mean you see the ways that is totally no

825
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 2: that's such a good point. And so even though it's

826
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 2: Reagan who brings all this stuff up is bipartisan. Bill

827
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 2: Clinton is entirely on this page, and everyone since then

828
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 2: has pretty much been on this page. Because if we

829
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 2: can see homelessness as a personal failing instead of an

830
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 2: economic crisis, then we can avoid paying essential to the

831
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 2: economic crisis. Although I would argue that we will not

832
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 2: be able to avoid talking about the economic crisis much longer.

833
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I don't know. So.

834
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 2: I don't like siktok very much. I like system talk.

835
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 2: But what does this have to do with Food Not

836
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,720
Speaker 2: Bombs and Catholics and personalism? You ask? Glad you asked.

837
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 2: So these problems they have to get addressed on a

838
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 2: system wide level, but that doesn't mean there aren't individuals

839
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 2: who are suffering from it. And so I want to

840
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 2: quote the author Sean Parson, who wrote a book called

841
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 2: Cooking Up a Revolution about Food not Bombs. What makes

842
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 2: the radical homelessness politics of groups like Food Not Bombs

843
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 2: and the Catholic Workers unique is not that they embrace

844
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 2: a system's talk, but that they fuse systems talk with

845
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 2: a radical personalism, personalism which has its roots in Catholic

846
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 2: theology and the writings of Threau and Tolstoy. Front of

847
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 2: the pod Tolstoy and every fucking episode.

848
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 5: Along in incredible. I did not think we were getting

849
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 5: a Tolstoy in this one.

850
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 3: Wow. Nope.

851
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 2: Unbelievable is a European religious ethical philosophy developed by Emmanuel Manie.

852
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 2: I think, Hu Manye, Each and every person was modeled

853
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 2: in the image of God, and therefore was uniquely beautiful

854
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 2: and valuable. Therefore, no person is worth more than another,

855
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 2: and no person is expendable, and so is no longer quote.

856
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 2: Personalism is really interesting to me. It springs up in

857
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 2: the early twentieth century, and then it influences this inter

858
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 2: war movement in France. I love falling down these rabbit

859
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 2: holes is one of my favorite parts about this podcast.

860
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 2: So there's this inter war movement in France called the nonconformists,

861
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 2: who do what a lot of my favorite people do.

862
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 2: They like They're influenced by a bunch of French socialists,

863
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 2: including Prudalin the anarchist, And they hate capitalism because reasonably

864
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 2: obvious why. And they hate fascism because it's even more

865
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 2: obvious why. And they hate the USSR because reasonably obvious

866
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 2: why And actually one of the reasons that they hate

867
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 2: the USSR though, is that they're mostly religious and they

868
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 2: are not materialists. They believe in spirituality, and so they're

869
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 2: like left with, like, well, what the hell do we

870
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 2: believe if we come up with this like spiritual socialism

871
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 2: and it's very heavily influenced by personalism And.

872
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 3: I don't know a ton.

873
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,760
Speaker 2: About these folks yet, I'm just like kind of starting

874
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 2: to learn about them. Also, they kind of didn't get

875
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 2: a chance to do anything cool because then World War

876
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 2: two happened, and then like half of them became collaborationists

877
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 2: with the Nazis and then the other half joined the

878
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:57,760
Speaker 2: French Resistance, I think, right, So, which I guess.

879
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 4: They'll make sense. It's sort of those are sort of

880
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 4: the two sides. I just even as you're talking. The

881
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 4: interesting thing is like, I mean, like any philosophy obviously,

882
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 4: like anything can be used in a different way, but

883
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 4: I hadn't really like heard this phrase or this concept personalism.

884
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 4: But that also is the direct line to if you

885
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,839
Speaker 4: truly believe that a fucking embryo is a person, then

886
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 4: why why is you know, a real person more valuable

887
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 4: than these cells.

888
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, like yep, and you know what else is

889
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 2: more valuable than some cells?

890
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 3: Advertisements?

891
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 5: Yes, once again debatable.

892
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, fair enough.

893
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, based on the aforementioned economic system that we live under,

894
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 2: we are sponsored by advertisers and you can listen to

895
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 2: them if you want, or to get fast forward.

896
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 3: I don't care, neither do I. And we are back.

897
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're talking about personalism and all that stuff.

898
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,720
Speaker 2: And one of the reasons I like how it ties

899
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 2: into taking care of people is that it's kind of

900
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 2: this exploding brain meme.

901
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 3: Right.

902
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,439
Speaker 2: You get the smallest brain is the sick talk, where

903
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 2: it's like, homelessness is an individual person's fault. And then

904
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 2: you get systems talk, which is like, actually, there's all

905
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,280
Speaker 2: systems that needs to be addressed on a systemic level.

906
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 2: And then you get the big exploding brain thing where

907
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, it's totally the system's fault and needs

908
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:38,879
Speaker 2: to be addressed on a systemic level. But this also

909
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 2: affects individuals and we need to address it on an

910
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 2: individual level as well. Even though the blame isn't on

911
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 2: the individual, the care also needs to happen on an

912
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 2: individual level.

913
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 3: So I like it. That's what I'm trying to say. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

914
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 3: I think that's probably right.

915
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's the two sides of that, which

916
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 4: is like it's a systemic problem, but systems are just

917
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,240
Speaker 4: groups of people doing shit to other.

918
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 3: Groups of people.

919
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 4: And like one way to help fix that as an

920
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 4: individual is to just try to undo some of that.

921
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 2: No totally, and like like I don't know if you'd

922
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 2: like walk into your house and it's trashed totally, wasn't you,

923
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 2: I swear, And like you just got to start cleaning,

924
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 2: you know.

925
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 3: It's like all right, just pick up one thing and

926
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 3: then the next thing, and then the next thing.

927
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, you know, and then you also have to

928
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 2: figure out the systems that we're allowing your yeah exactly.

929
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

930
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,879
Speaker 2: So uh, anyway, the anti nude movement, all these things

931
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 2: coming together. I really like when different different groups with

932
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 2: different ideologies get together and figure out what they can

933
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 2: do together and where their strength overlap. And so that's

934
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 2: and and how you get food not bombs, this global

935
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 2: movement out of this melting pot or you know whatever,

936
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 2: this chemical pit, mortar and pestle. I'm not very good

937
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 2: at alchemy. I have not successfully turned lead into stone,

938
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,720
Speaker 2: lead into gold. I don't even know what I'm supposed

939
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 2: to turn lead into. I'm gonna continue with the script

940
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,320
Speaker 2: gold gold, Yes.

941
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:18,879
Speaker 3: That's it. Yeah, you don't need that lead, Oh my god.

942
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 2: Okay, but when we start our work around AMMO Factory

943
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 2: and we use it to fund food for everyone, we

944
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 2: can have the slogan turning lead into gold because we

945
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 2: make money off the AMMO.

946
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 3: Yeah.

947
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 4: I thought you were going the other way. We're turning

948
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 4: gold into lead.

949
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 2: Ah No, yeah, but it does go both ways. Okay,

950
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 2: that's actually a better direction.

951
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:37,919
Speaker 3: All right.

952
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 2: Well you can be in charge of that part, the

953
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 2: figuring out what we're doing. Okay, So yeah, yeah, I

954
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 2: guess I have other stuff to do.

955
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 4: Okay, I wouldn't be you don't want to, all right.

956
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 2: All right, fine, we'll find someone else. Sophie, all right

957
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 2: Anderson maybe Sophie.

958
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 5: Shaking my head.

959
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: And person, I mean, she doesn't have thumbs, but she

960
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: would give it her best.

961
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 5: Ever.

962
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 2: Well, that's our Our logo is just Anderson's face. Anderson

963
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 2: is a dog. For anyone who's listening.

964
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,240
Speaker 5: She just gave me the best side eye a dog

965
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 5: could give. Like, I was like, is that true, you're

966
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:29,760
Speaker 5: doing on your free time.

967
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:35,240
Speaker 1: And she was like, uh huh, so I guess it's true.

968
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, so back to honestly seems right back

969
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 2: to bombs.

970
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 3: It really does.

971
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 2: In the early eighties, Fodnut Bombs is at every protest,

972
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 2: including anti nuclear activism, against the war on drugs. They're

973
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 2: working against all the fuckery that the US is getting

974
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 2: up to in Central America. Basically they're part of like

975
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,240
Speaker 2: every movement that anyone who's paying attention in the nineteen

976
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 2: eighties would be part of. And and this part is

977
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 2: important too, right that they fed protests. You know, we

978
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 2: talked about this a bit before, right that like it's

979
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 2: mutual aid is this act of solidarity because it's it's

980
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 2: sharing things, because sharing things is good because we should

981
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 2: take care of each other. And there's like this reciprocity

982
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 2: implied in mutual aid. And actually a lot of the

983
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 2: older definitions of mutual aid are actually like mutual aid

984
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 2: societies where everyone like pools their money take care of

985
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 2: each other. It's actually where like modern insurance comes from

986
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 2: and all this shit.

987
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, basically like you you join a society, Yeah

988
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 3: that makes sense.

989
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, but but this mutual aid. It's it doesn't necessarily

990
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 2: imply a one to one. It's not I scratch your

991
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 2: back and you scratch mine. And so the mutual aid

992
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 2: of food not bombs is I'm human, you're human. Let's

993
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 2: take care of each other. I got all this extra food.

994
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 2: I cooked it up for me and my friends. You

995
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,760
Speaker 2: can come too, you know. And a lot of the people,

996
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 2: more than other organizations that I've seen, that do this.

997
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 2: It's not perfect or utopian. Then it's never always right,

998
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 2: but it's like a lot of the people who come

999
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 2: to eat end up whining, wind up cooking and organizing

1000
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 2: as well, because it's so participatory. And they've done two

1001
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 2: things intertwined for forty plus years. First it feeds hungry people,

1002
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:12,240
Speaker 2: and second it's fed a movement and just basically allows

1003
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 2: these social movements to exist. You know, like when I

1004
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 2: was a full time activist, when I was sick, I

1005
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 2: would go to activist doctors. When I needed shelter, I

1006
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 2: would squat buildings, or I would stay in people's backyards

1007
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 2: or basements or wherever people could find shelter for me

1008
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:28,320
Speaker 2: while it's in town for a protest or whatever. And

1009
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 2: when we needed food, there's food not Bombs. Sometimes in

1010
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 2: some cities there'll be four or five days a week

1011
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 2: that you could go to Food not Bombs and get

1012
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 2: a hot meal and groceries to take home, and anyone

1013
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 2: who comes you're treated like a person instead of like

1014
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 2: the sort of like lots of other groups feed and

1015
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 2: that's cool, but there's like a scale of how inclusive

1016
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 2: it feels. Like when you show up and they're like,

1017
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 2: here's your number, make sure you sit at least thirty

1018
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 2: feet away from me because I don't like looking at you,

1019
00:50:57,719 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 2: you know.

1020
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:04,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, uh yeah, that's like, oh god, I mean that's

1021
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 4: that's like it's so like I'm just I mean, I

1022
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 4: can't even like figure out like the what I say.

1023
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 4: But it is just the thing where you're like, yeah,

1024
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 4: you see that, and yeah, I maybe this is again

1025
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 4: me me now having spent more time on sket road

1026
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 4: than I had, you know, prior in the last like

1027
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 4: two years. But it is like, and I'm sure every

1028
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 4: every bit of like you know, eye roll I feel

1029
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 4: and watching some other groups, I'm like, I have been

1030
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 4: that person. So I'm totally not to just be like

1031
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 4: like you know, gate keeping or a dick about it. Yeah,

1032
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 4: it is though, you're just like, oh my god, yeah,

1033
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 4: all those things that you see, it's like almost and

1034
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 4: not always without malice, but often it's like not.

1035
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:52,280
Speaker 3: Even with malice.

1036
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 4: It's just like, you know, you don't know how to

1037
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 4: if you're not sort of comfortable or fluent in in

1038
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 4: what folks need and want, you know, you know there

1039
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,280
Speaker 4: and there's elements too of just like what I'm giving

1040
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 4: you something, Yeah, you know, I think you see like

1041
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 4: you should be great. Yeah that is like so.

1042
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 2: Like yeah, yeah, and it's like and sometimes it sucks,

1043
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 2: right you Like you give someone something and they're like,

1044
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 2: well I want another one, and I'm like, I wish.

1045
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 3: You appreciated that I had made this for.

1046
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 2: You, you know, and like because like sometimes it's like, well,

1047
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:24,919
Speaker 2: you also want to be seen as human And now

1048
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 2: I walk through my life and I'm seen as human

1049
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 2: on a fairly regular basis as compared to the person

1050
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 2: who I'm offering this thing too. But yeah, like it

1051
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, it's it's it's all a scale and

1052
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 2: like I'm not trying to knock people who you know,

1053
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,439
Speaker 2: it's like and even the like the line between charity

1054
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 2: and mutual aid is not this like impassable Gulf with

1055
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 2: who completely different ideas on each side. It's like it's

1056
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:51,320
Speaker 2: a spectrum and like we should all look at trying

1057
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 2: to increase other people's agencies and create mutual aid, you know.

1058
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 2: But it's like but also just like fucking go out

1059
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,800
Speaker 2: there and try and help people have better yeah, lives,

1060
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 2: and then figure it out. I don't know, like whatever.

1061
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think hopefully the good version of this

1062
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 4: is people get there no matter what.

1063
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 3: So yeah.

1064
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 2: And then another another thing that sort of ties into

1065
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,800
Speaker 2: this like movement building version of mutual aid really quickly

1066
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 2: that I is not really including this episode will have

1067
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 2: his own episode, I'm sure, is the Black Panthers breakfast

1068
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 2: program that they did, you know.

1069
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,800
Speaker 3: And there's this famous thing that the Black Panthers.

1070
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 2: One of the most radical things they did and actually

1071
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 2: one of the things that, if I believe even the

1072
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 2: FBI said was one of the most dangerous things they did,

1073
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 2: was that they fed people. They fed kids before they

1074
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 2: went to school, and like, and that's a movement feeding itself,

1075
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 2: you know, even though it's like, I mean, the kids

1076
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 2: aren't the activist, but like whatever, Like I don't know,

1077
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,760
Speaker 2: So this is what they're doing in Boston at this point,

1078
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 2: this is not spread yet. And there's one little tiny

1079
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 2: anecdote that I think is just like cute and funny

1080
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 2: about them. Okay, so this is the Pepsi challenge, right

1081
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 2: And I thought this is this thing that only exists

1082
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 2: in the eighties, but I was like looking it up

1083
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 2: for this episode. Apparently it's like still ongoing.

1084
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1085
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 2: Okay, So there's a pepsi challenge where you're like supposed

1086
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 2: to drink pepsi versus coke and a blind taste test.

1087
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 2: Sophie's looking at the scripting like where's this shit going?

1088
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, because this is a thing again. This is a

1089
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 5: thing again.

1090
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 3: It's all over you.

1091
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 1: You would that you would not know this, Margaret, because

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Speaker 1: it is very pop cul tree. But it's a whole

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Speaker 1: thing right now, TikTok no. I had no idea, yep,

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Speaker 1: where there's a bunch of people and they take, you know,

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Speaker 1: diet coke, diet pepsi, coke, pepsi cokes here, all those

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Speaker 1: things and they put it, they put all the cans

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Speaker 1: or whatever, and then the person drinking it can't take it,

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Speaker 1: and people are like trying to be like, no, I

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Speaker 1: know what the real one is and like most of

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Speaker 1: the time they get it wrong. Yeah, so it's yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: that's like a viral trend right now, TikTok.

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Speaker 3: And I'm on trend by accident.

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Speaker 1: For some reason, I get those, which is like why okay,

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Speaker 1: Like apparently that's something I'm super into and now we're

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Speaker 1: talking about it on cool People did.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe maybe the algorithm wrote this episode. Maybe I'm

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Speaker 2: the algorithm. I'm the machine.

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Speaker 3: Are you the algorithm? I'm the machine?

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Speaker 1: It?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where you're so angry against me. It's a

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00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 2: raging as machine joke. That's a band I've heard of,

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Speaker 2: even though their pop culture I'm joking.

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Speaker 3: I'm joking. Okay.

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Speaker 2: So the Pepsi challenge has been going on since the seventies.

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Speaker 2: It's the least important thing that's ever happened in the

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Speaker 2: history of the universe. You get the cola Wars between

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Speaker 2: coke and pepsi. So Pepsi is setting up tents and

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Speaker 2: doing this blind taste test and they they probably there's

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Speaker 2: like different ideas of how they like make it so

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Speaker 2: that they win all the time, you know, And one

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Speaker 2: one claim is that they basically put out like fizzy

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Speaker 2: pepsi and flat coke, and they they set up right

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Speaker 2: next to the Food Not Bombs tent in Harvard Square

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Speaker 2: and so and they keep doing this, and the Food

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Speaker 2: Not Bombs is like, oh my god, we hate this

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Speaker 2: so much. This is the fucking nineteen eighties. Like anti

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00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:09,359
Speaker 2: corporate branding is like their thing, right, and and so

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Speaker 2: they hate this so much. So what they do is

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Speaker 2: they go home and then they come back and they

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Speaker 2: have the Tofu Challenge where they make smoothies with tofu

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Speaker 2: in them, and they offer.

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Speaker 3: People free smoothies with tofu in them.

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Speaker 2: And I hope they made them taste okay, because you

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Speaker 2: can have a tasty tofu smoothie.

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Speaker 1: It's just that sounds like some shit. So my brother

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00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: has was like plant based for about ten years. When

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Speaker 1: he started medical school, he stopped being it. I'm just

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00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 1: airing out his life. He stopped being able to digest meat. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he can digest meat again. He kept trying to trick

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Speaker 1: me into eating tofu, like he would be like, isn't

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00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 1: that delicious? And then and then could he'd be like

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00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 1: it's tofu and like I wouldn't know. So I had

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Speaker 1: like major like trust issues a vegans for a minute

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Speaker 1: because he'd be like, isn't that delicious? It's not actually cheese.

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Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, I know, yeah, you wouldn't have given cheese.

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00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:12,359
Speaker 1: You sprinkled it from like a little container. Like I'm

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00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:15,840
Speaker 1: a very aware that that is not cheese on the

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00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:21,919
Speaker 1: thing you're calling pizza anyways. But yeah, tofu smoothie, delicious, hot, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm not believing not believing you.

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Speaker 3: Here's my pitch.

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00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 2: Half a block of tofu, a tablespoon or two of cocoa,

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00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 2: some protein powder if you feel like you want protein powder,

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00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 2: and then a bunch of maple syrup and so some

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00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 2: almond milk if you need to.

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Speaker 3: You kind of just kind of make it. Make it. Yeah,

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00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 3: it's like.

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Speaker 5: No for textive still no, all right, well I don't

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Speaker 5: believe you.

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Speaker 3: I drank on earlier. Try it.

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Speaker 1: I'll try it because you're telling me what it is

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00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 1: before giving it to me, and you're not going hot

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00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 1: tofu or whatever the but uh yeah, so it's a

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00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 1: smoothie with no fruit.

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Speaker 5: What's happening?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's actually more of like like the first

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00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 2: time I did it, it's like chocolatea it's actually if

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Speaker 2: you have a if you have a food processor, and

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00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 2: I don't. You don't have to add the almond milk

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00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 2: and then it's like a moose texture and you just

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00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 2: have to add enough sugar. So it tastes good because

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00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 2: the texture is fine.

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Speaker 3: Mine are a little bit more smooth. You can also, I.

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Speaker 4: Mean it's just a I think you might be thinking

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00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 4: of a different tofu sofi. It's more like that very

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00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 4: silken stuff. Yeah, yeah, a B C D type place.

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Speaker 4: So once that's fair, well, well you can go like

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Speaker 4: with it's just.

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Speaker 1: Been you know, tricked into eating tofu won too many times.

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Speaker 2: I didn't eat tofu for the first like two years

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00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 2: I was vegan because when I was a teenager, I

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00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 2: went to a salad bar and was like, I will

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00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 2: try tofu and it was just a block of unseasoned tofu. Yeah,

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00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 2: it's horrible. It was one of the worst things I've

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00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 2: ever eaten.

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Speaker 5: If you don't know how to take tofu, and that's

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Speaker 5: that's what you think.

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Speaker 1: Tofu is it tastes horrible. But cooke tofu done correctly

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Speaker 1: and marriage and seasoned, and you know, actually it's delightful,

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Speaker 1: especially in.

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Speaker 3: A soup or a stew.

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Speaker 2: And so what I wonder and I think the most

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00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 2: important decision before we can decide whether the Fun Not

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Speaker 2: Bomb's original crew was good or bad was whether or

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Speaker 2: not they made good tofu and fed it to people

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00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 2: or whether they made bad tofu and fed it to people,

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00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 2: because they could go either way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was definitely.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna say that I would find it bad pretty confident.

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Speaker 2: I think you're probably right, especially when you're right next

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Speaker 2: to fucking Like. I don't drink, so this is no

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00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 2: like purity thing. I do all kinds of bad things

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00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 2: for my body. But like, but if someone was like

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00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 2: does this taste better? Does this taste better? And one

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00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 2: of them is soda, and one of them is like

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00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 2: random tofu smoothie, I bet my money's on the soda.

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Speaker 3: There's no. Yeah, it's pretty unlikely.

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Speaker 2: But and they scared away the Pepsi people, and I

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Speaker 2: suspect it was more to do with the fact that

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00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 2: they were probably like cussing Adam and yelling at him

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Speaker 2: all the time than the tofu.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, that's so.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's I mean, that's like kind of.

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Speaker 3: A nice victory exactly.

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Speaker 2: And that's what I want to end today's today's episode,

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Speaker 2: where we can you know, there's hippies feeding Boston healthy

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Speaker 2: food and I hope it's tasty, but who knows. And

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01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 2: you know, they get more and more interesting to me

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01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 2: as they spread, And that's what we're gonna talk about

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01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 2: next time. The and the massive and sort of unfammable

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Speaker 2: repression that they face for giving out free food to

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Speaker 2: all takers.

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Speaker 4: That's yeah, this is a good a good place to

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01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 4: put a pause and then hear the other side.

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Speaker 3: Sophie, do you have any plugs?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, listen to Okay, listen to hood Politics with Prop

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Speaker 1: on the Cool Zone Media network wherever you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 1: That's that's the podcast of my choice to plug right now,

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Speaker 1: and just like follow Prop in general because he's the

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Speaker 1: best at prop hip hop. That is all I would

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Speaker 1: like to plug at this time.

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Speaker 3: Andrew, oh god.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, if you've enjoyed even this amount,

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Speaker 4: come out austin August twentieth and Brooklyn September tenth doing

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Speaker 4: that with Yosi's Racist Me and Tawny Knew. So we're

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Speaker 4: going to be there.

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Speaker 3: So far.

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Speaker 4: We just did one show in Boston and I ate

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01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 4: a lobster roll on stage. In Many people in the

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Speaker 4: audience said it was one of the worst things they'd

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Speaker 4: ever seen.

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Speaker 3: So get a lobster role challenge.

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Speaker 5: You just stilled that for me.

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Speaker 3: The way I did it was, Margot, you have a

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Speaker 3: book coming out, don't you.

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Speaker 2: I do on September twentieth, My book of short fiction

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01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 2: Cool People Who Did That's my podcast Live like that.

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Speaker 3: That's the other podcast.

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Speaker 2: We won't be here tomorrow.

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Speaker 5: There it is.

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Speaker 3: We'll be out from.

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Speaker 2: Akpress on September twentieth, and you can pre order it

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Speaker 2: now and if you pre order through different independent bookstores.

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Speaker 2: If you just google we won't be here tomorrow, Margaret

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Speaker 2: kildre pre order or whatever, or you probably don't even

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Speaker 2: need that many words, it'll come up. If you order

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Speaker 2: it through different independent bookstores, including several cooperatives. Oh, this

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01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 2: wasn't an episode about cooperatives, but they're cool. Anyway, you

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Speaker 2: will get an art print from the book, which is

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Speaker 2: also cool.

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Speaker 3: That's the end.

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Speaker 1: Yay, you see, we'll be back. We won't see you,

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01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 1: but we'll be back on Wednesday with another episode seeing Shit.

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Speaker 1: This is an audio medium. Get it together, Okay, Bye bye.

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