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Speaker 1: Coming to you live from the Cross Country Mortgage Campus

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Speaker 1: in Barrie, Ohio. This is Cleveland Browns Daily, brought to

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Speaker 1: you by Bally Bett now live in Ohio on eight

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Speaker 1: fifty ESPN Cleveland. Here are your hosts, Bo Bishop and

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Speaker 1: Nathan Zegura.

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Speaker 2: All right, looks to live on a Tuesday edition of

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Speaker 2: the program, merely Bo and today to my left, the

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Speaker 2: voice of the Cleveland Browns. A great Jim Donovan. What

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Speaker 2: a pleasure to see you, mane. It is always good

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Speaker 2: to come into studio with you. I enjoy it, and

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Speaker 2: it's great to be here today. How are they the ponies.

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Speaker 3: It's right good. I have to tell you they are.

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Speaker 3: They're doing good. They're looking good. I like what's going

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Speaker 3: on out there right now. We needed some rain because

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Speaker 3: our pastors are getting eaten up and burned out of there.

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Speaker 3: So bring it on, bring that right on. But they're

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Speaker 3: doing good. I'll tell them.

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Speaker 4: You asked.

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Speaker 2: I'm always curious if they're not listening to the show

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Speaker 2: out right, well, they ought to be. We should we

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Speaker 2: kind of in the bar radio in the bar, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: just play it. It's CBD and Kenny Chesney. That's also

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Speaker 2: two things, you know, It's funny my dad to this day.

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Speaker 2: If you go into his barn where I grew up,

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Speaker 2: there is a radio that plays ks N which is

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Speaker 2: out of Shelby, Montana, that plays twenty four seven three

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Speaker 2: sixty five. The radio is always plugged in and always on.

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Speaker 2: Well what time you go?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that we we are right there with your dad.

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Speaker 3: We have that on all the time. We have that

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Speaker 3: on all the time. Plus we have an indoor riding

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Speaker 3: arena at the on the farm there you go and

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Speaker 3: to keep the groundhogs out even though we've really built

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Speaker 3: a beautiful I mean an incredible venue, maybe even better

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Speaker 3: than the current indoor facility here.

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Speaker 4: I know there's another one on. I know there's another

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Speaker 4: one on the way, and.

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Speaker 3: We have a radio up real loud there. Scare tactic.

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Speaker 3: It's scare tactic.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you got it.

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Speaker 2: They're evil. They'll find their way in anywhere.

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Speaker 3: It's either that or watch Caddy Shack and see how

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Speaker 3: Bill Murray did it.

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Speaker 4: This could happen to you.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, This is a warning boys, this could happen to you.

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Speaker 2: So this is the first time that we've had you

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Speaker 2: here and that you and I have talked since your retirement. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: from television television side of it. And I asked you

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Speaker 2: when I came in, and I'll ask it again, now,

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Speaker 2: what are you doing with your time? Because that is

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Speaker 2: something that you're when you're a man of routine. And

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Speaker 2: I was in that world for a long time.

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Speaker 4: Like it's a routine.

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Speaker 2: It is a routine, right, I mean, it's it's evenings,

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Speaker 2: it's nights. This is what you do, and it's.

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Speaker 3: An it's a routine for the entire family because you

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Speaker 3: live on a kind of a weird side of the clock.

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Speaker 3: So I mean, because you know, we have a farm,

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Speaker 3: doing our duties out there and our chores, and then

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Speaker 3: I mean, God bless my wife, Cheryl, you know, and

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Speaker 3: she'd have to men because we'd have to, you know,

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Speaker 3: got to get downtown, or if you have to come

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Speaker 3: out here, cover something here. And then I have to

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Speaker 3: tell you about that drive on seventy one at eleven

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Speaker 3: thirty five. Every night got to be a little bit old.

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Speaker 3: But thirty nine years, what iron the same place.

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Speaker 2: It's umble.

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Speaker 3: You know. It wasn't like I was at Channel five

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Speaker 3: tremendous amount of opportunities there to do a lot of

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Speaker 4: But you know, we've been.

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Speaker 3: Through a lot the last couple of years, so it

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Speaker 2: I mean, you think about four decades of a life

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Speaker 2: Oh God, I guess I am. At the Olympics, I

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Speaker 2: You're gonna go on television. You're gonna you have to

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Speaker 2: and then you have a great sense of pride in that.

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Speaker 2: But at the same time, there are many instances I'd

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Speaker 2: the World Series, like that type of thing.

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Speaker 3: I remember the first time I was going to do

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Speaker 4: So it was the strike year, nineteen eighty.

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Speaker 3: And it was a great game, Buffalo playing Miami, and

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Speaker 4: Going, wow, I am really here. Don't screw this up,

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Speaker 4: you know, But you're right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, to go down the list of

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Speaker 2: It's amazing, it really is, and it's in those days

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Speaker 2: NBC O and O. Of course, there was that part

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Speaker 2: terms of the O and O operation. When my wife

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: When I came in nineteen eighty five, networks could own

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Speaker 3: five television stations. Okay, so in the NBC family, it

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Speaker 3: didn't really make sense. Cleveland was a funny fit.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 3: It was WNBC in New York, WRC in Washington makes sense,

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Speaker 4: That's right, that's right.

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Speaker 3: But everybody was under one standard union contract yep, So

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Speaker 3: if you were working in Cleveland, you were getting New

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Speaker 3: you were just an affiliate. Not so did that budget,

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Speaker 3: so did everything else. Yeah, No, it was.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's funny like every Obviously, they made that

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Speaker 2: It's a farce, obviously, but there were a lot of

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Speaker 2: There's a generation of people, probably my age and certainly

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Speaker 2: them you were such a part of their routine. You

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Speaker 2: They would watch the sports and then that was it,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, back then, really that was the

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Speaker 4: You had to wait until six o'clock.

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Speaker 3: You couldn't get guardians highlights if they played in the

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Speaker 3: six twenty that evening. You weren't getting the caps highlights

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Speaker 3: ten o'clock. Eleven o'clock has become kind of a forgotten newscaps.

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Speaker 2: That's right. You said something that made me think. You said,

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Speaker 2: you know eleven twenty, you had to wait for eleven twenty.

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Speaker 2: This happened to me several times. I'm guessing it happened

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Speaker 2: oh my god, I just got to get to eleven twenty.

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Speaker 2: Please don't have this somewhere else. One of the other

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Speaker 2: eleven o'clock right top of the lead. I just got

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Speaker 2: But like, how often did that happen where you knew

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you. I'll give you a Brown story about that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a Monday night and we did a

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Speaker 3: show at seven o'clock on Monday nights called The Point After.

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Speaker 3: It's about The Point Afterwards, me, Tony Grossi, Doug Deacon,

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Speaker 3: of the Browns under Eric Mangini. But our show had ended,

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Speaker 3: but we had it and it was ready to go.

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Speaker 3: And so exactly what you're talking about. You're saying, boy,

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Speaker 3: we have this clean. I think I don't think anybody

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Speaker 3: At that point, assistant coaches are here, the head coaches here,

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Speaker 3: but you know, the writers aren't here at that point

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Speaker 3: in time. They're they're probably gone home. And we sat

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Speaker 3: and you know, put it at the top of the newscast.

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Speaker 3: But was it gonna leave, you know, was it going

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Speaker 3: watch out because Channel eight had a ten o'clock news,

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Speaker 3: Channel forty three had at ten o'clock news at that time.

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Speaker 4: Do you think they have it? If they have it,

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Speaker 4: I mean, what the heck? So you're right. We would

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Speaker 4: sweat that out an awful lot.

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Speaker 2: It was unbelievable, and now it's gone. There's a generation

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Speaker 2: It was so you and I had You had things

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Speaker 4: Then to Burlington from mine. I like the weather, I

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Speaker 3: But he always remember, I remember seeing you down at

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Speaker 4: That's around at Ohio State.

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Speaker 3: But I handed in a hockey tape, okay, because that's

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Speaker 2: Have to take it, and you got to do it,

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Speaker 2: How they would nickel and dime for like five hundred bucks. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Huh it really was I want to congratulate Doug Plavin,

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Speaker 3: who's the radio play by play voice of the Florida Panthers.

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Speaker 3: He was the Monster's play by play guy when he

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Speaker 4: But you know, I give guys like him a lot

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Speaker 3: Because, and you'll know this, a guy like him when

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Speaker 3: So good for him. He's a terrific talent. Congratulations boy.

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Speaker 2: What a dream did Billy Zito bring him with him

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Speaker 2: I wonder what the how long he's been the play

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Speaker 2: And if like if, if my hunch is on this,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was liked him here.

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Speaker 3: Now here's an interesting twist too. That Monster's job was

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Speaker 3: But this was when they were the Lumberjacks, and there

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Speaker 4: For the team.

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Speaker 3: But during nights when there was a basketball game of

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Speaker 4: Well, a guy left the Calves and.

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Speaker 4: The voice of the Sixers forever.

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Speaker 2: There it is.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so you're right, that's how it goes.

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Speaker 5: Doug Plagan's the voice of the Florida Panthers since twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 2: Billy definitely there you go. Billy would have been well,

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Speaker 2: Bill would have still, I think, I don't think so,

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Speaker 2: so probably not. Then Bill. Bill came later in Florida.

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Speaker 2: I think Bill's only been there since nineteen or twenty

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Speaker 2: that's a remarkable thing.

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Speaker 4: He was very good and he is very so Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 2: be Jim, Oh, you did it. I mean it's absolutely

439
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Speaker 2: the people who do it great. I mean it's a constant,

440
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Speaker 2: it's constant, it's a lot of work, and I would

441
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Speaker 2: think really really rewarding and thrilling.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there is a you have to find

443
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Speaker 3: it and once you do, you perfect it. But there's

444
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Speaker 3: a cadence to it. You know, there's a rhythm. There's

445
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Speaker 3: a rhythm to any play by play. But really, in hockey,

446
00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,640
Speaker 3: you're right, you got to be ahead of that crowd.

447
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Speaker 3: You have to because you know a lot of oohs

448
00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,760
Speaker 3: and ahs, and you know, you know, and great saves,

449
00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:58,880
Speaker 3: shot hits the post, ooh, you know, but you gotta

450
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Speaker 3: be gotta be a little tick ahead of them. And

451
00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:05,400
Speaker 3: that's the art for a great hockey announcer. And boy,

452
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Speaker 3: I have to tell you that's that that had to

453
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Speaker 3: be a thrill for him last night.

454
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Speaker 2: It had to be. And you you, in terms of

455
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Speaker 2: the actual game, I don't know how the NHL could

456
00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,359
Speaker 2: have had it better. You've got a game seven. The

457
00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:17,960
Speaker 2: NBA has been done for ten days, and so you've

458
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Speaker 2: you've had the stage, the big stage, all to yourself

459
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Speaker 2: for all this time. The first ten minutes, honestly, Jim

460
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Speaker 2: to me, felt like four on four. It was so breakneck. Oh,

461
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Speaker 2: I I just could not believe. I thought my God

462
00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:29,760
Speaker 2: was just going to be six to five. And then

463
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Speaker 2: it settled a little bit. But the thing that I

464
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Speaker 2: was I wanted to run by you was did mc

465
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Speaker 2: McDavid played basically the last five minutes straight straight?

466
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Speaker 4: Yeah? He played, Now this is on.

467
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Speaker 3: This is incredible for a forward, okay, which he is

468
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Speaker 3: the best in the world. He played twenty six minutes

469
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Speaker 3: in the game. Okay, he did not come off the ice.

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Speaker 4: I think you're right.

471
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Speaker 3: And about the last four and a half to five

472
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Speaker 3: minutes of the game and they were out of gas.

473
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Speaker 2: I thought Sean McDonough did a great job Boston lineage.

474
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Speaker 2: Of course, he he had an incredible line where there

475
00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:04,520
Speaker 2: was about a minute after it was right before they

476
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Speaker 2: took a time out, with a little over a minute,

477
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Speaker 2: and right before that he said they something to the

478
00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:10,960
Speaker 2: effect of they just don't have their legs, and you

479
00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,199
Speaker 2: could see it. But McDavid wasn't coming off, but he

480
00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:15,600
Speaker 2: was flailing because he knew he was still their best chance, right,

481
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Speaker 2: and those guys stayed out there. I can't even I

482
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Speaker 2: don't have an apples to apples for that in other

483
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Speaker 2: sports because of the amount of toll it takes to

484
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Speaker 2: skate like that over and over.

485
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Speaker 3: Well, let's say a typical shift for an NHL player,

486
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Speaker 3: especially a guy like McDavid is thirty seconds, so he

487
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Speaker 3: stayed out for close to five minutes. Let's rounded up

488
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Speaker 3: and give him five minutes because it was unbelievable and

489
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Speaker 3: he did everything he could possibly do. A beautiful moment

490
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Speaker 3: after the game for the Florida coach Paul Maurice.

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Speaker 4: Who's quite a character.

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Speaker 3: Yep, thirty years I think behind the benches, a lot

493
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Speaker 3: of benches in the NHL. And he finally wins the

494
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Speaker 3: Stanley Cup after losing last year in the finals, and

495
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Speaker 3: he was on the Canadian station up there t s

496
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Speaker 3: and the guy says, what.

497
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Speaker 4: Does this mean to you? And he goes, hey, I

498
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Speaker 4: want to talk to my dad right now. Dad.

499
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Speaker 3: Look at the Stanley Cup. Look at the names Bellevo, Rischard, Gretzky,

500
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Speaker 3: how Maurice.

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Speaker 4: I just was I was a mess. Oh my god,

502
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Speaker 4: I missed that.

503
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Speaker 3: That's what it means to those hockey players. That is

504
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:28,200
Speaker 3: the toughest trophy to win, and it's a beautiful trophy.

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Speaker 2: It's the best trophy, which is the beautiful, the best

506
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Speaker 2: trophy in sport. It truly is. It's functional, so that

507
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Speaker 2: helps to I.

508
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Speaker 4: Believe it was in the ocean. It was in them

509
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Speaker 4: before I came up to the studio right and you.

510
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Speaker 2: Could drink out of eat cereal, out of it, do

511
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Speaker 2: whatever you want.

512
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Speaker 4: Have you seen it?

513
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Speaker 2: Have you gone to the.

514
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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I was there when I was there when

515
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Speaker 3: Bobby or scored the goal and they won the cup.

516
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Speaker 3: And then one day I was doing and I think

517
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Speaker 3: this was through the Blue Jackets. They came to an

518
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Speaker 3: Indians game and I was doing the Indians on Channel three.

519
00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:00,480
Speaker 3: I used to do like twenty games, and all of

520
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,679
Speaker 3: a sudden they brought it into the booth and I

521
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Speaker 3: have to tell you, it was just my jaw just

522
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Speaker 3: was like wow, Yeah, this is incredible. When you start

523
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Speaker 3: to look at the names on it, it's amazing.

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Speaker 2: They in the Hockey Hall of Fame in Toronto. They

525
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Speaker 2: have so there's two of them. There's one on permanent

526
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Speaker 2: display there and then there's one that goes to the

527
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Speaker 2: team for the time that they get it right. And yes,

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Speaker 2: it is awesome in the truest sense of the word

529
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Speaker 2: awesome to look at it, to read the names. The

530
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Speaker 2: size of the scope. It weighs about forty five pounds. Now, yeah,

531
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Speaker 2: so it's got a certain weight to it that is remarkable,

532
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Speaker 2: let alone the weight that it carries and what it

533
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Speaker 2: means the people who play that sport.

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Speaker 3: Now, there's a great book that just came out called

535
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Speaker 3: My Day with the Stanley Cup.

536
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Speaker 4: Oh geez, because everybody gets a day with the Cup.

537
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Speaker 3: Now, it isn't always have a great story for you

538
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Speaker 3: after this, but it isn't always in the United States

539
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Speaker 3: and certainly not even in Canada. It will go to Russia,

540
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Speaker 3: it will go to Finland. The Panthers captain is from Finland.

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Speaker 3: First time a Finnished player has carried the Stanley Cup

542
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Speaker 3: as the captain of its team. But Mike Rupp, oh, yeah,

543
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Speaker 3: from our area. Mike Rupp was a great player at

544
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Speaker 3: Saint Ed's.

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Speaker 2: Oh I didn't know he was.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, went into the Stanley Cup and had a huge

547
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Speaker 3: seventh game for the Devils. They win the Stanley Cup,

548
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Speaker 3: and his day with the Cup. He wants he wants

549
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Speaker 3: to bring it to Berea and the Browns are in

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Speaker 3: training camp with hockey enthusiast Butch Davis is the head

551
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Speaker 3: coach of the team. So everybody is excited and I

552
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Speaker 3: am like really excited to see it, and all of

553
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Speaker 3: a sudden, Mike Rupp comes walking.

554
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Speaker 4: Through the gate.

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Speaker 3: He's got a little entourage with him and the guy,

556
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Speaker 3: the white hair guy that carries the cup at all times,

557
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Speaker 3: that you know, the keeper of the cup. But he

558
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Speaker 3: comes walking in and Butch brings the team together and

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Speaker 3: he goes, all.

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Speaker 4: Right, we're about a pretty good practice.

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Speaker 3: You know. Guy gets sharpened things up, though, sharpen things up.

562
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Speaker 3: Now we got uh, Mike Rupp is with us. Mike,

563
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Speaker 3: what you want a trophy? You want to show the

564
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Speaker 3: team the trophy. I'm going that's sacrament Ledger's it's the

565
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Speaker 3: Stanley Cup.

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Speaker 4: You want a trophy?

567
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I want a trophy. That's what I did.

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Speaker 4: Great, great day. And Brown's training camp history. That is great.

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Speaker 5: All right, So little you guys have been expounding your

570
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Speaker 5: wisdom and moving up through the ranks. I've been telling

571
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Speaker 5: young brock I'm gonna be paying attention to all this.

572
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Speaker 5: Get ready like you're gonna have to cut your teeth

573
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Speaker 5: in the middle of nowhere. But it's gonna happen for you.

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Speaker 4: That's right. You take that Butler degree, Brocket, Ye see exactly.

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Speaker 5: I have Kevin, I believe has a queued up what

576
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Speaker 5: you shouldn't do to the play by play guy on

577
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Speaker 5: a radio cap.

578
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Speaker 4: This is Doug's call.

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Speaker 2: This is Doug call.

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Speaker 6: Yes, okay, ten seconds left, two what panthers? I leave

581
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Speaker 6: thirty years in the before the Pits Heaven. The Stanley

582
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Speaker 6: Cup brought Stanly's coming home. You always have the play

583
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Speaker 6: that up, Bang the bathers. Everyone the Stanley Cup for

584
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Speaker 6: the first time. Good Guy's history.

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Speaker 4: Oh god, oh well that hurts.

586
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Speaker 2: Like every time you see it's called getting with shade

587
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Speaker 2: times ten. You know, good Saint Henry boy taking shots

588
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Speaker 2: from Gibbe. Listen. I that's like when you see a

589
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Speaker 2: Rembrandt with and somebody takes a paint brush and just

590
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 2: slaps stuff all over. I mean that's what it is. Like,

591
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Speaker 2: let the let it, let it do it that way.

592
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 2: That's that's unfortunate.

593
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Speaker 4: That to keep off the grass, Yeah, to keep off

594
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Speaker 4: the grass.

595
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's pretty simple.

596
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Speaker 4: But that well done, Gibby. That was good.

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Speaker 2: Gives Ready's big p out of him. Good job giving

598
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Speaker 2: on that side of things. But it's thrilling and it was, uh,

599
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Speaker 2: it was fun last night for them. We got a

600
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Speaker 2: lot of football to get to. It is a special

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Speaker 2: Mailbag Tuesday edition of the program. If you have questions

602
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Speaker 2: for Jim or for myself. We will answer those coming

603
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Speaker 2: up at two thirty. A lot of looking back at

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Speaker 2: what we saw in mandatory Mini campbell, to look at

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Speaker 2: the schedule going forward, some of the big games to

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Speaker 2: look forward to on that side of things, lots of

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Speaker 2: fun along the way. We're often running on a Tuesday

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Speaker 2: We've we're in the we're in a down period now, right,

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Speaker 2: I mean, everything's quiet, No mandatory mini camp anything like that.

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Speaker 2: One of the things that Nathan and I talked about

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Speaker 2: a lot, and I think we talked about this similar

621
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Speaker 2: when you were on last GYM, was this notion of

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Speaker 2: this being a very We live in a very quiet offseason.

623
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Speaker 2: But this is what happens when you have a good roster.

624
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 2: This is what happens when you have front office continuity,

625
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 2: when people stick around, and so it's in a way,

626
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 2: it's kind of like last season's off season repeated. We

627
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 2: just want to see Watson play and be healthy. Everything

628
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 2: else has kind of been taken care of.

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Speaker 3: There was a when I was watching the mini camp

630
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Speaker 3: and the OTAs before that, there was a real sense

631
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Speaker 3: of togetherness, and I don't mean in a corny way,

632
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 3: but togetherness because they have been together exactly what you're

633
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 3: pointing to.

634
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Speaker 4: I mean, they've played alongside each other.

635
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Speaker 3: I think there is a real hunger and eagerness to

636
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 3: wash that Houston playoff game right out of their system.

637
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 3: Opportunity lost going into that thing. Very hot the way

638
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 3: they finished the regular season. But it's a real whereas

639
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 3: for so many years it was such a young team,

640
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 3: now it's still you know, there there are young players

641
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 3: on the team, but there are there's a real veteran

642
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 3: feel to the team. So I would imagine when you

643
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 3: go around to some NFL camps and you see teams

644
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,439
Speaker 3: that have been together. Buffalo New England in their heyday,

645
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 3: things like that, Squads like that. I think the Browns

646
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 3: probably look a lot like that right now, because you're

647
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 3: not introducing twelve new players, eight of them coming in

648
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:22,400
Speaker 3: free agency, and four guys.

649
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 4: You picked up in the draft. And I think for

650
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 4: everybody that is comforting. Yeah.

651
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 2: I mean we were talking yesterday like we've got guys

652
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 2: we drafted. They're gonna have a hard time making this team, Yeah,

653
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 2: because they're just aren't spots. The phrase that I've used

654
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 2: to kind of articulate what you described right there is

655
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 2: we've got pros. So what we've got is we've got

656
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Speaker 2: a bunch of guys now that we've drafted, who have won,

657
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 2: who hold others accountable. And I remember we had Deep

658
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:50,959
Speaker 2: Odessa in here a couple of years ago and he's like, well,

659
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 2: we're you know, this is the Browns way. And we're like, well,

660
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 2: what is that? What is the Browns Way? And he's like, well,

661
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 2: I can't give the secrets up, but the Browns way

662
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 2: is land your draft picks, let them develop into stars,

663
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 2: give them second and third contracts so that they can

664
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 2: then be the example. You don't have to bring in

665
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 2: somebody from somewhere else to teach you how to be

666
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 2: a pro.

667
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 4: Yeah. Right.

668
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 2: This is the first time since the late eighties that

669
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 2: we've had that circumstance.

670
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 3: Because a lot of times in the early comeback years

671
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 3: in ninety nine and beyond that, and I understand what

672
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 3: their situation was, but a lot of times you would

673
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 3: bring in pros who were well passed their good years, okay,

674
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 3: and they were here and there was one big one,

675
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 3: last good paycheck, and there were a lot of good

676
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 3: paychecks being written here, but they were done so they

677
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 3: could tell stories about what it was like to be

678
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 3: a pro and what it was like when they were

679
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 3: in New England, or they were in Chicago and the

680
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 3: Bears were good, or in Green Bay or places like that.

681
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 3: But when they went out on the field, they were,

682
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 3: you know, a shadow of what they were in their heyday.

683
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 3: So it has to be the combination of those young players.

684
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 4: They have to see it out on the field.

685
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 3: That's the pro the true litmus test I think for

686
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 3: players like that, and I think that's here now there is,

687
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 3: It is definitely here with their draft classes, you know,

688
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 3: in those big draft classes when they had all those.

689
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 2: Picks, Oh my gosh, I mean you think cornerstones that

690
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 2: you think about Botonio and Garrett and Ward and j

691
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 2: Okay and Delpitt and Emerson. I mean you go down

692
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 2: the list, there's there's one at every single spot around there.

693
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 2: They've had the only place where they've had to go

694
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 2: out and acquire as receiver and quarterback, those two. Everything

695
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 2: else they've drafted, well, they've been made very timely free

696
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 2: agent signings. But I do think there's something to it.

697
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 2: I think the notion one thing we've been chasing, this

698
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 2: organization has been chasing for a long time, is that

699
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 2: continuity that Pittsburgh has that Baltimore has. Well, the reason

700
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 2: you have continuity is because you have success. And so

701
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 2: we have now a coach and a general manager on

702
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 2: second contract. We have players that are on second contract

703
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 2: that we drafted. For the longest time, there were how

704
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 2: many first round picks we've got a second contract?

705
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 3: Very few, very few, very few, Yeah, there were, But

706
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 3: we nailed that one jail if you're right about that,

707
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 3: because there wasn't Pittsburgh way for a lot of years.

708
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 4: Now.

709
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's still there or if they

710
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 3: can pull it off. But and Dougie saw Doug Deacon

711
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 3: used always tell me this, he goes watch them. They'll

712
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 3: bring guys in in the draft and they'll be special

713
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 3: teamers for a year, but they're playing in front of

714
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 3: a lot of all pros and then it's a plug

715
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 3: and play. Maybe by the second year, certainly by the

716
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 3: third year they take over. Now that's changed in the

717
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 3: last couple of years. There's been a decline in their

718
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 3: feeder system and they've tapped into free agency with some misses, okay,

719
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 3: and some you know, less than great drafts that have

720
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 3: played out on the field.

721
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 4: But you're right.

722
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 3: I mean, there is a way, and I think the

723
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 3: Browns have away now and I think they're seeing and

724
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 3: reaping the benefits of it, and as are all of us.

725
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 2: It's funny when the Pittsburgh I think that the best

726
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 2: example that was, like, they're outside linebackers absolutely like Lawrence Simmons,

727
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 2: like they would He was a kid out of Florida State,

728
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 2: so I remembered him right, yeah, but wouldn't play for

729
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 2: a couple of years, and all of a sudden he

730
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 2: was a dude like Lamar Woodley was like that, you

731
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 2: go back, it was Greg Lloyd, Kevin Green, like Harrison,

732
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 2: like one guy after another, like all of a sudden,

733
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 2: these guys would be thirty year player and like, well

734
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 2: there's an All Pro and you're.

735
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 4: Like, where'd he come from?

736
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 2: Where they draft him two years ago?

737
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:05,959
Speaker 4: Right?

738
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 2: So there was a there was a way and hopeful

739
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 2: we have one.

740
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 3: And it went to their offensive line too, because you

741
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 3: had to wait to play on that offensive line with

742
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 3: guys like you know, Mike Webster was there and then

743
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 3: Fanica came in and they had a great player there.

744
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 2: The kid from Stanford to Castro wasn't ye Demoni Dawson

745
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 2: was there too, Austin was there. I mean, you know,

746
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 2: and you had to wait to get into that lineup.

747
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 4: Now. I don't know.

748
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 3: That's been a problem for them the last couple of years,

749
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 3: that offensive line and the fact that it's been a

750
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 3: little leaky and they've had to go to the free

751
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 3: agency market. I think when you notice a team really

752
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 3: going to the store shelves there in free agency, you

753
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 3: have to start to say, boy, they're slipping a little

754
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 3: bit somewhere.

755
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 2: It's just so you're exactly right, and it's just so hard.

756
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 2: It's so hard with the way that the salary cap works.

757
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 2: It's so hard to have to go into that market

758
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,719
Speaker 2: and pay high leverage versus developing it yourself. So if

759
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 2: you can land on those picks. And I give a

760
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 2: b a lot of credit because he there's a great

761
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 2: many positions that he absolutely crushes. In the draft, they

762
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 2: do have a little bit of a blind spotted receiver.

763
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 2: They need Tilman to be a guy this year, they do.

764
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 2: They drafted him to be a guy. They needed to

765
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 2: be a guy. He had a really good Mini camp,

766
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 2: but other than that, they've had to go find him.

767
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 4: Now.

768
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 2: The good news for us is when he finds if

769
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 2: he gets them for bargain basement, so that helps, so

770
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 2: we're not over compensating. But that's a tough way to

771
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 2: go about it when you do it in free agency.

772
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, And the other thing is, I mean you take

773
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 3: a look at what's going on at right tackle. I

774
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 3: mean when they got Jack Conklin, they were rebuilding that

775
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 3: offensive line, and you go, wow, this is and he's

776
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 3: a terrific player. Unfortunately though he's missed a significant amount

777
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 3: of time because of injuries, really hard luck injuries.

778
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 4: But then Dewan Jones goes.

779
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 3: In there and he played to an All Pro level.

780
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 3: I mean, he was incredible. The Dewan Jones had played

781
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 3: during the regular season. Bow was so different than the

782
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,719
Speaker 3: guy that showed up on the first day of rookie

783
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 3: Mini caamp after he had been drafted by the Bronze

784
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 3: when he couldn't get through the practice that day with

785
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 3: Bill Callahan and you know, in Scott Peterson, you know,

786
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 3: it was just unbelievable. The transformation and what they have

787
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 3: hit at that position. I mean, who knows where he

788
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 3: ends up? Does he stay it right?

789
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 4: Tacking?

790
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 2: Well, a future left tackle, but that's o hit. That's

791
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 2: one of those ones too. Where like, and we've talked

792
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 2: about this before in the show with him specifically, Like

793
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 2: there was a very frank conversation that was had between

794
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 2: management and Dewan that said, there's a reason you fell

795
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 2: this far right and it's not talent, So now it's

796
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 2: up to you, Yeah, are you going to be a pro?

797
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 3: And he took to it unbelievable from the very I mean,

798
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 3: it was opening day right against Cincinnati. We weren't even

799
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 3: at halftime, and that's when you know, Conkland unfortunately went down.

800
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 3: You knew it was bad. That guy went in there

801
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 3: and listen I know Joe Burrow was a little rusty

802
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 3: that day. Anybody would have had a tough time against

803
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 3: that Browns defense on opening Day, but to have that

804
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 3: kid go in that Bengal defense was still very, very good,

805
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 3: you know, with those guys coming off the edge there.

806
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 2: Oh, there's no question it was Browns fans ever want

807
00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 2: to go to Las Vegas for a Browns game? Maybe

808
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 2: New Orleans.

809
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 4: I have never been to Vegas.

810
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 2: Really, I have never been to the good news, true

811
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 2: fan Where was NBC the no big fights? No, no,

812
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 2: because that's about all you go for in those days.

813
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 5: You know.

814
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what.

815
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 3: We almost went one time to cover Steep Amochic. There

816
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 3: you go, because he was in Vegas.

817
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 4: Yeah we didn't. I didn't go.

818
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's usually in for the longest time of It's

819
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 2: only Vegas could have was a big fight.

820
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 6: That was it.

821
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,400
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822
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824
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826
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Speaker 5: It's okay, I mean, he's not going to see anything

827
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 5: with Vegas anyways, because we're not allowed in any casinos

828
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 5: or to be able to do.

829
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 4: Anything on the trip. Well you know, I mean it's

830
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 4: your casino. We're not hitting the crafts table at three am.

831
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 2: No, not having I bet they put you out at

832
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 2: that lake.

833
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 5: I think we're going to be out a ways. That's

834
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 5: where away from any distraction with.

835
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 2: The Niners are out there. There's like a lake Las

836
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 2: Vegas or something that they built. There's a resort out

837
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 2: there that's well off, but even that's gonna have casinos

838
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:09,399
Speaker 2: in it. Like, I don't know how you're gonna walk

839
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 2: like you I mean you haven't Benzon. Just for a

840
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 2: point of reference, like they are designed to be mazes.

841
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,760
Speaker 2: They are designed to keep you in the gambling corridor.

842
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 2: So when there are no signs, like where are the rooms,

843
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,720
Speaker 2: nobody knows, you just walk around hoping you find a pathway.

844
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 5: I mean, all of a sudden, there's a random elevator

845
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 5: in the middle of a casino floor. They'll teach you

846
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 5: to level two and three, but not four, five, and six.

847
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 5: You got to find a different one. No, it's crazy.

848
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 2: So like even where you guys will be out there

849
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 2: I'm guessing it's designed in a way that makes it

850
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 2: difficult for you to get there without walking on.

851
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:46,399
Speaker 3: Well, I am looking forward to the stadium that looks Josh,

852
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,280
Speaker 3: I mean that looks like a great place.

853
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 2: Yeah. In fact, Gibe wants to know top five non

854
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 2: division games on the Brown schedule you're looking forward to,

855
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 2: So I think I can say Vegas is number one.

856
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 4: I think Vegas, Young we'd be number one.

857
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 2: Number one on that list is Vegas. It's I'll be

858
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 2: very curious to see how they handle how they are

859
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 2: handling because there are a couple of years now there

860
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 2: the opposing team ticket purchasing because a buddy mine Montana

861
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 2: guy loved the Raiders growing up, and when they built,

862
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 2: when they said that they were going there, he's like, gosh,

863
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 2: direct flights all of a sudden from Billings, Montana to Vegas.

864
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 4: Let's go.

865
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 2: I can go to Raiders games for the weekend and

866
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 2: on Allegiant by the way, which was the name of

867
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 2: it of the stadium there. And and they said, well

868
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 2: you there was something in the some language in the

869
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 2: ticketing where you could not sell so many of your

870
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 2: tickets because what they were fearful of is not having

871
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 2: a home field advantage because everybody wants to go to

872
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 2: Vegas and watch their team.

873
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's like, to be honest with you, I

874
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 3: mean the Brons travel well, yes, the Steelers travel really well.

875
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 4: The Packers travel really well. Yes, Kibie.

876
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 3: I don't know if you remember, but when Tom Brady

877
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 3: came back off of his deflate gates suspension, how could

878
00:37:58,520 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 3: I forget?

879
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 4: The first game was here, New England West. That's right,

880
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 4: this was over, This was Foxborough West. It was incredible.

881
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 5: Every parking lot was nothing but Patriot fans. Right at

882
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 5: like seven in the morning, as I'm driving downtown, I'm like,

883
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 5: this is going to be a really long day.

884
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 4: And he took out his bad mood against Roger Goodell

885
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 4: on us.

886
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 2: What was the what year would that have been? Would

887
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 2: that have been.

888
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 4: Two twelve right in there?

889
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was a little earlier around there.

890
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 4: Boy, he was on fire. He was on fire when

891
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 4: he came out for the pregame warm.

892
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 5: Up two thousand just knew U two thousand and fifteen.

893
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 4: Oh okay, okay, there you go.

894
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 2: Okay, so it's all the way in okay. Oh well,

895
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 2: then we're in the worst part of us that's fifteen sixteen.

896
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh, you have no idea. No, I don't, I don't,

897
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 4: I don't want it's like watching seven on seven. Yeah,

898
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 4: I don't need exactly. It was actually like seven on four.

899
00:38:58,800 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 4: I don't think.

900
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 3: I don't think he finished the game. He just torched

901
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 3: them so bad, badly that day that they took him out.

902
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 3: I mean in the fourth quarter, he had done his

903
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 3: work when he go.

904
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 5: Ahead thirty three to thirteen, twenty eight to forty four

905
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 5: hundred and six yards in three.

906
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 2: Touchdowns, missed on twel and did not finish the game

907
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 2: and didn't finish. I'm good. I'm good.

908
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 4: Yeah.

909
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 2: I think the ones that most most fans are looking to,

910
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 2: looking forward to are the just the non traditional one

911
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 2: going to Vegas for the first time. And then I

912
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 2: do think New Orleans is a fun one. I like

913
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 2: New Orleans a lot as a city. I think it's

914
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 2: it's funny like New Orleans and Vegas gym. I have

915
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 2: the same rule two night maximum, and then I got

916
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 2: to get out because otherwise it gets loose.

917
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 5: You know.

918
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 4: The Browns played well there in New Orleans.

919
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 3: Browns had played very very well there since their first

920
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 3: win as a New franchise was there. Tim Couch threw

921
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,280
Speaker 3: the Hail Mary to Kevin Johnson. They beat Mike Ditkan,

922
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 3: Ricky Williams okay, and.

923
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 5: It's the first win. They beat Draw Cherry, who was

924
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 5: on the coverage.

925
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 4: But they've gone down there and they've played very well.

926
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 3: Brian Hoyer had a big game down there one time. Yeah,

927
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 3: Cop McCoy had a big game down there one time

928
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 3: when it looked like we were okay, here we go

929
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,439
Speaker 3: hook the horns. But I don't think, No, we haven't

930
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 3: been down there a lot. I don't think I've ever

931
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 3: seen the Browns lose down there.

932
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:17,479
Speaker 4: It might be three games.

933
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not a lot, but it's enough you build on.

934
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 2: Where do they have you guys stayed? You guys stay

935
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,919
Speaker 2: out of Bourbon No, it's right across the street, isn't

936
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 2: it from a Hyatt there?

937
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 4: Yeah? I think right, that's where.

938
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 5: So the last time we were there, we were at

939
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 5: the JW. Marry out on Bourbon Street. Really it's a

940
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 5: little bit of a distraction.

941
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 3: Gibby, wasn't that when Josh Gordon's that was the end

942
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 3: for him with the Browns.

943
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 4: I think I think so, you know, I'm sorry. Let

944
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 4: me correct. They have lost the one game they lost

945
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 4: the heartbreaker.

946
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 3: When Callaway, Yeah, they got great, great catch, and they

947
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 3: kept missing the extra point and uh, the kicker at

948
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 3: that time, the kid we drive aft at him. He

949
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 3: came to find out he had like a he had

950
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 3: like a quad injury that he really didn't speak about,

951
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 3: and he just kept missing and they ended up losing

952
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 3: the game.

953
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 2: That's right, I remember that now, Antonio Callaway Callaway.

954
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, we stayed right on Bourbon Street at the JW.

955
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 4: You oh my gosh, oh my, Sane Gonzales.

956
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 2: Well, then he ended up being great. He ended up

957
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 2: being great.

958
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,720
Speaker 4: That it was a what's that heeled?

959
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 5: He was good?

960
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was eighteen. We lost twenty one nineteen.

961
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 4: And I think he missed two extra points.

962
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 2: I think you're right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know Z

963
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 2: remembers and that the ones he remembers quite well. Yeah,

964
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 2: I thought so, Uh, he's out here, I mean he's

965
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 2: convalescing a neck, he's not listening, and that.

966
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 4: He just got a little more whipwash. Added, well, if

967
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 4: he is, he can't turn to his left or right

968
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 4: or right.

969
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 2: No, he's it's very serious convalescing on that side of things.

970
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 2: It's a fun schedule for us. Anytime you open with

971
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 2: Dallas at home, and we remember the last time that

972
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 2: happened didn't go so well, but it'll go better this

973
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 2: time around. But I mean to get Dallas at home.

974
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 2: Isn't it Brady's first game?

975
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 3: Yes, it is, yeah, which is pretty cool. I was

976
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 3: downtown Saturday. We were having a little retirement dinner at

977
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 3: the Blue Point Grill. Sure, and you know, it was

978
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 3: a festive night down there because the Guardians had won

979
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 3: in the afternoon against Toronto, so there's a lot of people.

980
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:26,479
Speaker 4: And I said to our waiter, I said, hey, listen,

981
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 4: are you you know, are you excited about you know,

982
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:29,720
Speaker 4: the summer?

983
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 3: What's coming up? And he goes, I'll tell you when

984
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 3: we're really excited. September sixth, seventh, and eighth. And I went, oh,

985
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 3: that's when the Brons are open up against the Cowboys.

986
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 3: He goes, Amen, he goes, But we figured people will

987
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 3: start coming in on Friday. Yeah, certainly Saturday, and then Sunday.

988
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 2: Oh that's gonna be amazing.

989
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 4: Bro, that's gonna be That's just gonna be great.

990
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. And that team, that all of it, everything that

991
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 2: comes with that is it's about as good as open.

992
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 3: If only they just if they just shipped their uniforms,

993
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 3: we'd be okay.

994
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,320
Speaker 2: That's right. You know what I told I told our guys.

995
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 2: We had Newsome in here and a couple of other guys,

996
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:04,760
Speaker 2: and maybe Emerson.

997
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 4: I said this to too.

998
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, we gotta again talk to Kevin, like, we

999
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 2: gotta wear white over white. Make them wear blue.

1000
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 4: They don't like that.

1001
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 2: They don't do it blue. They hate the blue. So

1002
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 2: make them wear blue. Go white over white, and then

1003
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 2: you're good. I think tick for Meal when he was

1004
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 2: with the Eagles and they would play with it. They

1005
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 2: would always gives did it? You know who else did it?

1006
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 4: Yeah? Joe Gibson. You're right, Gibbs did it.

1007
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 2: He would wear white at home again the Redskins, just

1008
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 2: to stick it to him. All right, we'll go around

1009
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 2: the state of the offense for this Brown team. It's

1010
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 2: gonna be it's gonna look a lot different guys than

1011
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 2: what you've seen in recent years. We'll get into that

1012
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:38,600
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Speaker 2: All right, let's talk a little bit about this. Uh

1038
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 2: So you have a conversation about this offense, and I

1039
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 2: the thing that I want to ask you about is

1040
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 2: the Kevin Stefanski made his bones calling plays and he's

1041
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 2: one Coach of the Year twice doing so, and I

1042
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 2: think my hunches will probably end up still doing it

1043
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 2: this year. But this is very much not the offense

1044
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 2: that he brought here. It's not the offense that he's

1045
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 2: had a great deal of success with. But to me, Jim,

1046
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 2: it speaks to his openness to the reality that he

1047
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 2: has to find something that gets the most out of

1048
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 2: his quarterback. Right, So they bring in Ken Dorsey. How

1049
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 2: do you think this will go? And what do you

1050
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 2: think it says about Kevin that he was willing to

1051
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 2: do this.

1052
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 3: Well, I think there's another factor too, And I think

1053
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 3: there's a Nick Chubb factor because when Nick Chubb took

1054
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:09,439
Speaker 3: over and Kevin was here and and you know, really

1055
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,879
Speaker 3: started to roll with that. I mean, the running game

1056
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:16,760
Speaker 3: was really so important and it was in complete concert

1057
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 3: with that offensive line with Bill Callahan was teaching them,

1058
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 3: and that was a real I thought that was the

1059
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 3: staple of the offense. Chubb was a big, big part

1060
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,240
Speaker 3: of it. To get them into second and friendly distance,

1061
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 3: third down, friendly distance, keep a drive going, run the

1062
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 3: clock out at the end of the game. But you're right,

1063
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 3: you have a different quarterback now who is so athletic

1064
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 3: that you just cannot keep the reins. To use a

1065
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 3: horse phrase, you cannot keep the reins on him and.

1066
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,359
Speaker 4: You kind of have to let him go. Now. Are

1067
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 4: there restricters to that?

1068
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 3: Let's hope so, because in doing that, we can see

1069
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 3: what happened when he got hurt, okay, and then when it.

1070
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 4: Ended in Baltimore. But look at what he did in

1071
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 4: Baltimore that day.

1072
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 3: His athleticism really able to get them away from that

1073
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 3: raven defense and to overcome fourteen seventeen point leads that

1074
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 3: day that Baltimore had. So you have to marry his

1075
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 3: athleticism with what you have and what you don't have.

1076
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 3: And I mean, I'm going to go on the premise

1077
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 3: that on opening to Nickchubb, it's going to be very

1078
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 3: doubtful that he's in there. Hopefully at some point he

1079
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 3: is in there, So I think that that all adds

1080
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 3: into it. You know, the running game was such a

1081
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 3: big part of it, especially when you know Kareem Hunt.

1082
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 4: Was there too. He had a great tandem with that.

1083
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 3: But I think, now, you know, you're gonna have to

1084
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 3: throw the ball, and you're gonna have to let him,

1085
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 3: meaning Watson, find the avenue to throw the ball, and

1086
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 3: if that's outside the pocket bow and he's comfortable with it,

1087
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 3: then I think you have to let him do it.

1088
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 2: I couldn't agree more. And I think I think that's

1089
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Speaker 2: obviously the conclusion that they came to as well. And yeah,

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00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 2: I mean, I you never doubt Nickchubb because of the

1091
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 2: type of human he is, but the realities of the

1092
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 2: injury that he sustained also can't be ignored. And it

1093
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 2: is a long road and still it's a long road,

1094
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 2: and he's putting in this work, but it's the realities

1095
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 2: of two huge surgeries, two separate huge surgeries in one

1096
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 2: off season on the same knee.

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Speaker 4: Which I'm sure you guys played it on the show.

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00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 4: His meeting with the media.

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Speaker 3: During Mini Camp, which he kept kind of touching upon,

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Speaker 3: he said, you know this happened. Happened in college to

1101
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 3: surgeries here. You know, he brought that up two or

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00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 3: three times.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying he's hesitant, but I think he's being

1105
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 3: a realist with you, and I believe, and I think

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00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 3: Browns fans need to believe. This guy is putting in

1107
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 3: an amazing amount of time to rehab because he is

1108
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 3: a true football player. But it is a tough, tough road.

1109
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 3: He's been throwing a tough pitch here to try and handle,

1110
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Speaker 3: especially at that position, and especially the kind of player

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00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 3: he is. His power and his legs are amazing.

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00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's what it's his engine, and his engine had

1113
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 2: a complete overhaul, is what happened, and it's trying to

1114
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 2: be built back. And yeah, I can't imagine the low.

1115
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 2: I mean, we see him here all the time. He's

1116
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 2: he's been omnipresent ever since the injury and in the

1117
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 2: rehabit all of it. He's been here all the time.

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Speaker 3: So the year they went to the playoffs, COVID year,

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00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 3: they go down to Dallas and they have an amazing

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Speaker 3: game that game and they.

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Speaker 4: Go up and down with the Cowboys and they win.

1122
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 3: But remember early in that game, he went down after

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00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 3: a terrific run against the Cowboy defense, and he went

1124
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 3: out of the game and he missed a couple of

1125
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Speaker 3: weeks after that.

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Speaker 4: Now he came back very quickly.

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00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 3: He had like an mcl sprain or something, and he

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00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 3: came back and immediately we're all saying, and I think

1129
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 3: his teammates, Okay, great to have him back, But it

1130
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 3: took him two or three games to become the Nick

1131
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 3: Chubb pre the injury in Dallas. And now multiply that

1132
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 3: by what happened in this scenario in Pittsburgh on that

1133
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:45,879
Speaker 3: on that Monday night.

1134
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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I love him. I love him, love him,

1135
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 4: love him.

1136
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 2: He's stares at us as we do the show every day,

1137
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 2: so like, no, you couldn't love him anymore. He's everything

1138
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 2: you'd want a football player to be, and at his best,

1139
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 2: I don't think there was anybody who did it better.

1140
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 2: I think he was as goo at a running back

1141
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 2: as there was. The vision, the power, the speed, the breakaway,

1142
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 2: all of it. Like he was as good as anybody

1143
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 2: in the league for the time that he did it.

1144
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 2: And hopefully he can get back to that level. But

1145
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 2: this offense has to move on and what they're going

1146
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 2: to do is play a lot more shotgun, a lot

1147
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 2: more for wide. There is a I don't really have

1148
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 2: any question anywhere except for and it's just more other

1149
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 2: than the Watson question, which is just he's just got

1150
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 2: to play a full season and be healthy. Hasn't done

1151
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 2: that in a very long time. But I do think

1152
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 2: it is fair to question the receiving corps. There is

1153
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 2: there is no question there is pedigree there outside Amari's unquestionable,

1154
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 2: but beyond that, you have guys who have incredible pedigree

1155
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 2: who you just need to see it consistently manifest on

1156
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 2: the field. The acquisition of Jerry Judy, obviously, Elijah Elijah

1157
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,839
Speaker 2: was Elijah Moore at moments where he's really good last year,

1158
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 2: Tilman's another one. There's a potential there for that to

1159
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 2: be a real special unit. Jim, does it have to be?

1160
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:53,839
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1161
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 3: I think so, because I think, you know, I think

1162
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 3: you're going to go to this offense, it's probably going

1163
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 3: to lean on throwing the football because of what we

1164
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 3: just talked about. The running back situation, which will be

1165
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 3: a true running back by committee, I think, I mean,

1166
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 3: I don't think. I don't think there'll be a workhorse

1167
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 3: back like the luxury that they had with Nick Chubb

1168
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 3: and what he could do. He could keep drives going

1169
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 3: for you. So yeah, I do believe it. I think

1170
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 3: they all have a role, and I think you and

1171
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 3: I would probably agree on this. Maybe David Bell is

1172
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 3: what David Bell is, right, finds a spot out there. Yeah,

1173
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 3: he did it pretty effectively right at the end of

1174
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 3: the year, certainly in that big catch and run for

1175
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 3: a touchdown against Jacksonville when he was uncovered. But I

1176
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 3: mean he's kind of a go to guy. It's third

1177
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 3: and six, he gets you six and a half and

1178
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 3: that's it. But you're right, I mean, Jerry Judy, the

1179
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 3: pettigree on him coming out of Alabama was unbelievable. Tillman

1180
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 3: had really high passing grades coming out of Tennessee. But

1181
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 3: there were points last year both especially down the stretch,

1182
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 3: where Tillman really had to go in and play right

1183
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:53,359
Speaker 3: after they traded away Downovan People's jones that I think

1184
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 3: he was lost a little bit out on the field,

1185
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 3: and I could remember, you know, Flacco going up to

1186
00:51:58,120 --> 00:51:58,720
Speaker 3: him and saying.

1187
00:51:58,560 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 4: Oh, you're supposed to be over here.

1188
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,280
Speaker 3: So the education of him and maybe just a comfort

1189
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 3: factor of absolutely knowing what his responsibility is on a

1190
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,280
Speaker 3: certain play where he's supposed to be because it's precise.

1191
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 3: I think that will show you what we really have.

1192
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think another thing that with Tillman with

1193
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,240
Speaker 2: more with Judy espec. I mean, Amari can do anything.

1194
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 2: But I do think this four wide. One thing we

1195
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 2: saw in mini camp was there was a lot more

1196
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 2: option routes for the receivers, so they didn't have to

1197
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 2: be quite You remember, like the big beef that that

1198
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 2: Baker had with Odell was he wasn't exactly where he

1199
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 2: needed to be at exactly the time that he needed

1200
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 2: to be there. Had lived. This style that Dorsey's implementing

1201
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:40,320
Speaker 2: with Stefanski's allows for a little bit more ad libbing,

1202
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 2: a little bit more. And I do think that that

1203
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 2: these guys all grew up playing in this type of system. Yeah,

1204
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 2: all played spread, they all were in those spots. So

1205
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 2: there's potentially a spot there. But I don't I'm not

1206
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 2: worried about running back at all, because I think they're

1207
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 2: gonna they're going to committee it. They'll ride the hot hand,

1208
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 2: they'll be fine. We saw that it last year. But

1209
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,320
Speaker 2: this group, somebody here has got to be el to

1210
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 2: the way where they were drafted or what their pedigree is.

1211
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 4: Now. The other key thing is when you bring up Mayfield.

1212
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 3: Mayfield's escapability and his vision were far less than you

1213
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 3: know what DeShawn is. Deshawn's a bigger guy, and he's

1214
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 3: a much more elusive guy, and he's a threat to

1215
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 3: pull the ball down and run even if everybody holds

1216
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 3: their breath collectively when he does it. So that in itself,

1217
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 3: now I'm not saying they're going to be playing street

1218
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 3: ball out there, but that in itself will allow more room.

1219
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 3: And many many times, though we haven't seen him play

1220
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:34,359
Speaker 3: a lot, you'll see Watson kind of pointing his finger, Hey,

1221
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:35,879
Speaker 3: just go over there and you'll be fine.

1222
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 4: And you know, it might be a little bit more

1223
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 4: like that, And I would think a receiver would like that.

1224
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would think so too. And I think that

1225
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,399
Speaker 2: this group has a potential. We just have to see

1226
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 2: it them and Watson, Watson, we just got to stay healthy.

1227
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 2: We've seen him be great. Its just play all the games.

1228
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 2: That's just where he's at. And these guys, it's just

1229
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 2: some of these guys just living up to that pedigree.

1230
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 2: Other than do you have any other questions offensively other

1231
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 2: than that.

1232
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 4: Well, No, here's the thing.

1233
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 3: The thing I've noticed about Watson in just the eleven

1234
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 3: games that he's played, and I think it really showed

1235
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 3: to me the savviness and the just the experience that

1236
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:09,839
Speaker 3: Flacco had.

1237
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 4: Flacco just let it rip.

1238
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 3: Okay, he could have a bad spell in a game

1239
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 3: and it would be a spell where you say, what

1240
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 3: the heck is he looking at there? And you know,

1241
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 3: I mean he had three interceptions I think in the

1242
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,839
Speaker 3: game against the Bears and there are ten points down

1243
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 3: and it looks like they're cooked and he got hot then.

1244
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 3: But because he just had no memory of it, I

1245
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 3: think sometimes understandably so because of all the time off,

1246
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 3: I think Deshaun thinks about it too much and he

1247
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 3: just needs to let it rip. He needs to flacko it.

1248
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 3: He needs to let it rip. And I think I

1249
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 3: think he's caught in a number of decisions. Is this

1250
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 3: the guy I gotta go to or do I pull

1251
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 3: it down and run? There's a lot going on underneath

1252
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 3: that orange helmet. He needs to eliminate that a little

1253
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 3: bit more and just get free.

1254
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 4: Flow, free flow.

1255
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 2: Yes, it played with a lot of fog. Yeah, very

1256
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,760
Speaker 2: little thing, so you're seeing it clearly, so hopefully, hopefully

1257
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 2: that can change with with just consistencies, more reps. You

1258
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 2: listen to WK and R a fifty ESPN Cleveland a

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Speaker 2: here as well. We did a little bit of a

1274
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 2: synopsis on where we stand offensively as we are in

1275
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 2: this summer break on the defensive side of the ball. Yeah,

1276
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 2: I don't have any questions, Jim I think it's pretty

1277
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 2: I'm looking at the two about, Yeah, we're gonna be good.

1278
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 2: It's gonna sort itself out.

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Speaker 3: Well, they were very good and they were a lot

1280
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 3: of fun to watch, and there were times that they

1281
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 3: would you know, they allowed the offense time to get

1282
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,839
Speaker 3: into a game. I mean, you talk about the game

1283
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 3: against the Chicago Bears and they're down ten points, not

1284
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 3: because of the defense, but remember flat go through a

1285
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 3: pick six and another pick by Eddie Jackson that took

1286
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:24,359
Speaker 3: the Bears down to the one yard line and then

1287
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 3: they finally got it in on a pass to Cole Kmet.

1288
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:30,359
Speaker 3: So there's fourteen points, and you know, they didn't get

1289
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 3: much more than that. I think they might have gotten

1290
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 3: a field goal and that was it in that game. So,

1291
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 3: I mean, but they were so much fun to watch

1292
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 3: in every aspect. I mean, if you wanted to watch

1293
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 3: the front, they were great. If you want to watch

1294
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 3: the linebackers, yeah, they were really good, especially Joka, and

1295
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 3: by the end of the year was a he was

1296
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 3: a torpedo out there. But their secondary was a lot

1297
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:52,399
Speaker 3: of fun. Now it lost a lot. I thought when

1298
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 3: Delpi got hurt, no doubt, I really did. I thought

1299
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:58,320
Speaker 3: and in Houston that day. You could really feel it.

1300
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 3: The depth factor. And I'm talking about being back in

1301
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 3: the you know, back far enough, balls going over their head.

1302
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 3: I don't think that happens with Grant Delpt in there.

1303
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 3: So I think he was a He was a big

1304
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 3: part of it. But they're very very good. That coordinator

1305
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:13,840
Speaker 3: has got them ready to go. He's got them tuned

1306
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 3: up and ready to play. I think they do a

1307
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 3: great job with them and they they really feel that

1308
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 3: by themselves they.

1309
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 4: Can win a game.

1310
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 2: For you, you mentioned Schwartz his he was such a

1311
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 2: cult of personality and you called it. Remember we had

1312
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 2: you in and he was walking down and you're trying

1313
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 2: to tell you how this is gonna go. You and

1314
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 2: I were doing the show, and then he did exactly.

1315
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 2: That is how that it went to your clairvoyant Jim.

1316
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 3: I know.

1317
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 2: But uh, but his his personality, I think it brought.

1318
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:47,439
Speaker 2: What I noticed was he is so such a confident guy.

1319
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 2: And I think it brought because Miles and Denzel by

1320
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 2: nature are relatively if you talk to him individually, they're

1321
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 2: relatively soft spoken guys.

1322
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 4: Very much.

1323
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that brought it out of them. I thought

1324
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 2: it was almost like the perfect higher for that personnel grouping. Truly, yeah,

1325
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 2: it really was. And I think they enjoyed being coached.

1326
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 2: And I think, you know, Miles Garrett is an amazing athlete,

1327
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 2: an amazing talent.

1328
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 3: But Miles Garrett needs to be coached. Yes, I mean

1329
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 3: he needs to be coached. And I think now, I

1330
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 3: don't know at the beginning of it, did he welcome

1331
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 3: being coached. I want to think so, because I think

1332
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 3: he was at a point in his career and I'm

1333
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 3: not talking about the Defensive Player of the Year and

1334
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 3: the aspirations to get that each and every season. I

1335
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 3: think that he realized that he needed another showf he

1336
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 3: needed another push, and I think he got it, and

1337
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 3: he got it very very early, and then he became

1338
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 3: what we dreamed that he was going to become, and

1339
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 3: we were just waiting for him to kind of be

1340
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 3: finished off.

1341
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 4: And as long as Denzel Ward is healthy, well he

1342
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 4: is just a sensational player.

1343
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 3: The other thing Boa and I go back to that

1344
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 3: Bears game when the Brons finally took the lead, I

1345
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 3: think they were thirty two seconds left in the game.

1346
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 3: Chicago gets the ball back, the ball almost gets caught

1347
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 3: on the end zone to win the game for the Bears,

1348
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 3: which would have been a season destroyer, okay, a season destroyer,

1349
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 3: but luckily it goes out of the guy's hands. De

1350
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:12,919
Speaker 3: Anthony Bell picks it off.

1351
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 4: And we celebrate.

1352
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 3: Who didn't celebrate Jim Schwartz because I remember Kevin went

1353
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 3: over to him and went, all right, great job, and

1354
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 3: he went no. It was because on the first or

1355
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 3: second down play, the Bears threw a pass right in

1356
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 3: front of the Brons bench and the defensive backs didn't tackle,

1357
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 3: and it just, you know, it blew his mind that

1358
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 3: they didn't tackle. But that's what a perfectionist he is

1359
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 3: and what he expects them to be the eleven that

1360
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 3: he puts out there.

1361
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. And I you know, it's interesting. We

1362
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 2: there were so many injuries last year, and we talked

1363
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 2: about Conklin earlier, and we obviously talked about Chubb, but

1364
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 2: the delpit one is one of those ones that because

1365
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 2: it came right after the extension and it happened so

1366
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 2: late in the year, and I remember it almost was

1367
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 2: the idea of like, now, what really another one? We're

1368
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 2: still we got We're haven't we used up our allotment

1369
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 2: of injuries, lost for the season, and then he hit

1370
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 2: and him getting back to getting him back because he

1371
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:12,439
Speaker 2: was playing on him. It was a borderline Pro Bowl type.

1372
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 4: I agree. I agree. Now, did Ronnie Hickman do a

1373
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 4: good job?

1374
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 3: Absolutely, got to pick six against the Jets, But Ronnie

1375
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 3: Hickman was an undrafted free agent that just showed them

1376
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 3: you got to take me on the team during training

1377
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 3: camp and the preseason games. Did the other people do

1378
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 3: a good job. Did the kid Harmon who played for

1379
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 3: the Patriots come in and do a good job. Absolutely,

1380
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 3: but they're not Grant Delpit.

1381
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 2: No, no, they're not. Jordan Hicks comes in Fine, Ohiolan

1382
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 2: uh down from the Dayton area, So he comes in.

1383
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 2: You also have Mike Rabel coming in. Now he's not

1384
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 2: a defensive specific but this is a guy from the area.

1385
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 2: Whilst Jesuit kid buck Eye all of those things, cult

1386
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 2: of personality and if you saw him out here at

1387
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 2: mini camp, I just have the time of his life.

1388
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 4: He was coached.

1389
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he wasn't. He wasn't sitting in looking

1390
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 3: at grafts and charts. He was out there and if

1391
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 3: Bubba Ventron needed help with special teams. Now, Mike was

1392
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 3: a great special teamer with New England.

1393
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 4: I mean he really was.

1394
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 3: He he was tremendous. He along with Matthew Slater, you know,

1395
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 3: great years in New England. But he was out there

1396
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 3: having a ball, and I mean that's infectious.

1397
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 4: That really is. That's a good that's a good set

1398
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 4: of eyes and a good voice. And it must be

1399
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 4: great for him to be at home. I'm amazed he

1400
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 4: didn't get a head coaching job.

1401
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 2: I think it was so I don't know this. I

1402
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 2: mean I thought Mike I thought he would be in

1403
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 2: New England.

1404
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 4: So did I.

1405
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 3: He had gone into the Patriots Hall of Fame in

1406
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 3: the summer. He gave an incredible speech. The day they

1407
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 3: did it, the Titans had a hit. They had a

1408
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 3: day off in training camp, so they scheduled the event

1409
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 3: around that and he went out and he gave this

1410
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 3: wonderful speech. Because there were feelings that Mike did not

1411
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 3: leave New England on the best of terms with Belichick.

1412
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 3: He didn't want to be traded. He felt he should

1413
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 3: have been able to stay in New England and was

1414
01:01:57,560 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 3: playing at that level. And you know, Belichick is that

1415
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 3: kind of guy. Yeah, you know, he uses you. You

1416
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 3: play for him and then he finds another.

1417
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 4: Player like that.

1418
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 3: But I thought that his speech and everything really opened

1419
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 3: up that he had a great soft spot for New

1420
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 3: England and that that might be paving the way well you.

1421
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 2: Know, and I don't know this, but it was there.

1422
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 2: Do you think there was something or maybe I'm read

1423
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 2: this someplace that maybe that there was some sort of

1424
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 2: an agreement with Mayo? Yeah, oh yeah, definitely to where

1425
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 2: like if you come back, you're coaching waiting like that

1426
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 2: type of thing. So maybe there was that type of

1427
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 2: thing with the Craft family that prevented it. My hunch

1428
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 2: on Mike and I see him all the time, but

1429
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 2: we haven't had him in here yet, and I'm sure

1430
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 2: there'll be a time for that, but it just hasn't

1431
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 2: happened yet.

1432
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 5: But his.

1433
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 2: My hunch is that he wasn't just going to go

1434
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 2: into something just to take a gig. I think my

1435
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 2: hunch is that he's going to wait for the right gig.

1436
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 2: And really, if you look at last year's coaching pool,

1437
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 2: probably the only there were probably the best gig was

1438
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 2: probably Chargers because you have the quarterback set up. Now

1439
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 2: you got to go to the snake pit in the

1440
01:02:58,440 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 2: AFC and.

1441
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 4: All of that, but you got the you have to

1442
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 4: have the quarterback. I gotta have that.

1443
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 2: And then I think Atlanta was probably the second best.

1444
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 4: And you were going to get the quarterback, the quarterback,

1445
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 4: you got everything else.

1446
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 2: But it seems like they were going in the Belichick

1447
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 2: way and then they were talked down to that and

1448
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 2: ended up with Rhem Morris. So I think that's those

1449
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 2: were probably the spots. But then once that passed, I'm

1450
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:20,440
Speaker 2: guessing like you just weren't going to take a gig

1451
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 2: to take a gig.

1452
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought maybe Washington, but you know there was

1453
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 3: a GM that had you know, the new GM was

1454
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 3: coming in there. You're right about Geron Mayo because remember

1455
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 3: Mayo was a really hot candidate to become a defensive coordinator.

1456
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 3: Remember you kind of shared that position.

1457
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 4: In New England. Was he not on our list?

1458
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 2: A little bit there floating down? I do remember that.

1459
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 3: So that's when the Patriots went to him and said, hey, listen,

1460
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 3: we're gonna redo your contract if you stay here, you

1461
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 3: run the defense, but Bill's probably not going to be

1462
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 3: around much longer, and you would be the coach in waiting,

1463
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:54,479
Speaker 3: So you're right.

1464
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:56,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I you know, if it doesn't go well

1465
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 2: for him there we might go there. That would seem

1466
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 2: to make a lot of sense. The other thing that

1467
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 2: I think about with Mike is, you know, part of

1468
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 2: the part of the and this is just connecting dots.

1469
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 2: But in Tennessee, imagine waking up one day and they say, yeah,

1470
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 2: we just traded AJ Brown and you go, wait, what

1471
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 2: what did we do?

1472
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 4: Why would we do that?

1473
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 2: Why would we trade AJ Brown? Are you kidding me? Oh,

1474
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 2: we're gonna draft his replacement is Trailon Burkes. Wait, just

1475
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 2: you wait, it'll be fine. Well that's not fine. This

1476
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 2: isn't fine. So one thing I think that he's doing here,

1477
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 2: and this is just me connecting dots, is let me

1478
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 2: figure out how a whole operations run, so that if

1479
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 2: I'm in this position again and I'm at NFL jobs

1480
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:35,640
Speaker 2: next summer, I can say I want control over roster,

1481
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 2: I want control over this, and this is how I

1482
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 2: do it. And so I do think he's getting some

1483
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 2: hands on with Ab and Paul and everybody in terms

1484
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:45,919
Speaker 2: of like, this is what we go through to build

1485
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 2: a roster. So I think that there's some of that

1486
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 2: that's happening too.

1487
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 3: You know, he's a tremendously loyal guy. Yes, okay, and

1488
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 3: this goes back to high school. He was a great

1489
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 3: player at Walsh Jesuit and I think when he moved on,

1490
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 3: I think I have.

1491
01:04:57,240 --> 01:04:57,920
Speaker 4: The story right.

1492
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 3: His high school coach whose last name was Reared, and

1493
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 3: it might have been Jerry Riden. Gipsie might know.

1494
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 4: Who the head coach was. It was Jerry Reard. Jerry

1495
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:08,919
Speaker 4: Reared at Walsh Jesuate, great coach.

1496
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 3: Rabel loved him and Mike put him up, nominated him

1497
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 3: to be for a very very exclusive a word. It

1498
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 3: might have been like national high school Coach of the Year,

1499
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 3: and he ended up getting it. But it was really

1500
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 3: the push by Mike Rabel to get him recognized, and

1501
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 3: Arden certainly deserved that.

1502
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 4: But now I'll tap into your Ohio State knowledge. Wasn't

1503
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 4: he very loyal to Luke Fickle?

1504
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:32,920
Speaker 2: Mike was so loyal to Luke that, in fact, and

1505
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 2: Luke to him that when Luke got the interim job

1506
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 2: at Ohio State when Jim Trussell was removed, they needed

1507
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 2: an offensive assistant because Jim Trussell was the offensive coordinator

1508
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 2: and head coach. He called the place at Ohio State.

1509
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 2: And so when that happened. When that change happened, the

1510
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:53,479
Speaker 2: athletic department at Ohio State said, Luke, you make one higher,

1511
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 2: and it probably should have been on the offensive side,

1512
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 2: because they didn't have anybody who could call ball plays,

1513
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 2: who had done it, who had expperience with it. And

1514
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 2: instead he hired Mike, and Mike came from the NFL

1515
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:08,919
Speaker 2: to come and work defensive line and linebackers for Luke.

1516
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:13,120
Speaker 2: So their loyalty goes back deep. And so yes, he is,

1517
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 2: I think that.

1518
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:15,160
Speaker 4: Is really cool.

1519
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 2: Oh god, I mean I really do.

1520
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:20,920
Speaker 4: I think that is really cool. And I tell you what.

1521
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 3: There was a toughness with Tennessee all the time, and

1522
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 3: they would go on the road in playoff games and

1523
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 3: they would win.

1524
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 4: They beat New England Tom Brady's last game. I mean

1525
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 4: they went in there.

1526
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 3: Nobody beats them after December fifth every year into the

1527
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 3: playoffs to go into Foxborough and beat them on a

1528
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:39,720
Speaker 3: Saturday night in a playoff game. But his toughness, I

1529
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 3: mean he just you know, he didn't have all the

1530
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:43,200
Speaker 3: wires and headsets and charts in front of him.

1531
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 4: He had like an index card and an old fashioned headset.

1532
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:46,640
Speaker 4: But he was tough.

1533
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, And his I think there was an accountability with Mike.

1534
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 2: Mike is, as you know, having interviewed him a bunch like,

1535
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 2: he's very straight to the point you ask him a question,

1536
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:58,200
Speaker 2: you're going to get a direct answer. You might not

1537
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 2: always like it, but you're getting the direct answer. And

1538
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 2: I just always appreciated his directness, his honesty, all of

1539
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 2: those stuff. And there's an accountability that comes with Mike.

1540
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 2: And and so yeah, I think the sky's the limit

1541
01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:13,760
Speaker 2: for next year. I'm thrilled he's here. I hope it

1542
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 2: lasts a long time because I think it's an incredible benefit.

1543
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 2: He remember, got Schwartz back in in Tennessee and brought

1544
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 2: him along. And so this was Jim saying, Hey, what

1545
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 2: are you gonna do sit around Nashville fishing? Like, come on,

1546
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 2: you're football guy.

1547
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:27,480
Speaker 4: Let's go.

1548
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 2: That's right, yeah, and let's get it done.

1549
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:29,440
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1550
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:31,520
Speaker 5: So you know, you guys talk about his demeanor and

1551
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 5: his teams. I just remember opening Day of twenty nineteen. Yeah, yeah,

1552
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 5: we're like, we're going to the super Bowl, and Mike

1553
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:41,240
Speaker 5: Rabel said, you sure about that?

1554
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 3: He went to he went to his team I think

1555
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 3: on Monday of that week, and I mean we were

1556
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 3: we were thinking gives you, I mean ten point win,

1557
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:52,480
Speaker 3: fifteen point win, twenty point win.

1558
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 5: Absolutely, We're like, hey, thanks league for giving us a cupcake.

1559
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:57,960
Speaker 4: Quek, Yeah, that's right. But the operative word was whin. Yeah.

1560
01:07:58,160 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 4: So we're gonna go and every kind of win.

1561
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:04,000
Speaker 3: He spoke to his team maybe Tuesday, Wednesday, whatever it was,

1562
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 3: and said, hey, listen, I want to tell you, the

1563
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:12,360
Speaker 3: atmosphere in that place Sunday is going to be unbelievable.

1564
01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:16,559
Speaker 4: They are starving for a winner there and they think

1565
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:17,160
Speaker 4: they've got it.

1566
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:20,519
Speaker 3: You have to be ready for the first ten minutes

1567
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:24,280
Speaker 3: of that game and they you know, they survived the

1568
01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:27,080
Speaker 3: first ten minutes of the game. Brown scored right away,

1569
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 3: but they survived it. And then boom, they lowered the boom.

1570
01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:34,000
Speaker 4: On the Browns that day. That was I mean, it

1571
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 4: was a blowout. Yep. Yeah, I know that.

1572
01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:39,200
Speaker 2: One of the more that his teams are always so prepared.

1573
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:41,360
Speaker 2: Interesting about Walsh, I just thought of this. We were

1574
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 2: up there about a I guess end of May for

1575
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 2: a lacrosse tournament for my middle son was playing up there,

1576
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 2: and he redid the weight room at Walsh and they

1577
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:53,680
Speaker 2: basically did so. He paid for it and then they

1578
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 2: they he designed it. So it's basically a college weight

1579
01:08:57,200 --> 01:09:00,320
Speaker 2: room that they have at Walsh that he did, that

1580
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:02,880
Speaker 2: he got done. So you talk about loyalty, like still

1581
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:04,439
Speaker 2: paying that back all these years later.

1582
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:07,599
Speaker 4: Oh, are college weight rooms better than NFL weight rooms?

1583
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:07,920
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1584
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:08,599
Speaker 4: They really are.

1585
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 3: You always hear about they what a facility they have

1586
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 3: down at Alabama or not Ohio State, or they're redoing

1587
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 3: their their weight.

1588
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:18,920
Speaker 4: Room to be to make it just like it is

1589
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:20,960
Speaker 4: you know at Oklahoma yep so.

1590
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 2: And the reason for that for the audience who doesn't

1591
01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:25,160
Speaker 2: pay attention to college football all the time is that

1592
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:28,599
Speaker 2: they the players have to be there, so our guys

1593
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:31,840
Speaker 2: leave in the off season. Now in college football, there

1594
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 2: is no off season. They never leave. When I first

1595
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:36,519
Speaker 2: started covering the sport in the South in the early

1596
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:41,080
Speaker 2: two thousands, like come May, those guys would go home

1597
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:44,120
Speaker 2: for the summer and they'd go work summer jobs. That's

1598
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:46,719
Speaker 2: over and it's been over for fifteen years now, where

1599
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:49,760
Speaker 2: there is no summer vacation like they're they are NonStop.

1600
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:53,000
Speaker 2: And so in that arms race of college football, what

1601
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:56,080
Speaker 2: you have is we've got to spend this money, and

1602
01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:57,680
Speaker 2: so how do we going to spend it because we're

1603
01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 2: not a for profit allegedly, so we got to spend it.

1604
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:03,840
Speaker 2: So that's what it comes down to is. But yeah,

1605
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 2: it's not close honestly, Like massil And High School might

1606
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:10,080
Speaker 2: have a better facility than the Bengals used to before Burrow.

1607
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 2: Their whole operation might be better than the I think.

1608
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:15,800
Speaker 4: So, yeah, I've seen that pretty ridiculous. Well, I'm really

1609
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 4: happy he's here too, and he looked like a very

1610
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:20,840
Speaker 4: happy guy out there. I don't think it's the time

1611
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 4: of his life. I can't foresee him being in a office.

1612
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:27,880
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, no, he's having a heck

1613
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:29,599
Speaker 2: of a time. I think all of that is true.

1614
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:31,680
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1617
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:40,200
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Speaker 2: to talk about. We were talking about big changes in

1634
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:37,600
Speaker 2: the media and all of that landscape. I don't know

1635
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:39,840
Speaker 2: that any sport that we pay attention to in this

1636
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:42,240
Speaker 2: country has changed more in the last twenty thirty years.

1637
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:45,599
Speaker 2: In college football, which is on the precipice of being pro.

1638
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:47,160
Speaker 2: But they don't want to acknowledge it.

1639
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:48,080
Speaker 4: It really is.

1640
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:50,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is kind of in a nowheresville at

1641
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:51,120
Speaker 2: the moment.

1642
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:53,600
Speaker 3: Where do you think it's going? Will they have to

1643
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:56,320
Speaker 3: cap it at some point? And who will govern it.

1644
01:11:57,600 --> 01:11:58,719
Speaker 3: Those are a lot of questions.

1645
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:01,559
Speaker 2: Number One, they this is the mail bag to both

1646
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:04,800
Speaker 2: is it yeah? Number one, the only path forward for

1647
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 2: them is to call it what it is, which is

1648
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:09,439
Speaker 2: professional sports. That's the only way. That's the only way

1649
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 2: that they can get control over rosters. That's the only

1650
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:14,960
Speaker 2: way you give these kids contracts. They're locked into a

1651
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 2: three year contract or a two year contract that gives

1652
01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:20,799
Speaker 2: you roster stability. There will be a revenue sharing anyway,

1653
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:23,599
Speaker 2: it's going to happen. They fight it over and over again.

1654
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:25,880
Speaker 2: They think that this olive branch of the twenty million

1655
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 2: dollars that each Power five team is going to give

1656
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:33,080
Speaker 2: every year is somehow going to be enough. But there's

1657
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 2: one of four or five four or five cases that

1658
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:40,160
Speaker 2: are currently being argued versus are these guys employees or

1659
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:42,840
Speaker 2: are they not? So they're going to continue to lose those.

1660
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 2: Every time they get in front of a court of law,

1661
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:47,560
Speaker 2: they lose those. So the twenty million is that's not

1662
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:49,080
Speaker 2: going to do it. There will be more So. The

1663
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:51,439
Speaker 2: only way that they can truly get control back is

1664
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:53,519
Speaker 2: to call it what it is and make it professional sports.

1665
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 2: And then they're gonna have to private to do that,

1666
01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to privatize football and men's basketball away

1667
01:12:58,000 --> 01:12:59,000
Speaker 2: from the rest of the university.

1668
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:01,280
Speaker 4: So will there be some commissioner?

1669
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they're kind of already is Jim It's

1670
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:07,680
Speaker 2: Greg Sank in the Southeastern Conference and Ty Petit at

1671
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:10,760
Speaker 2: the Big Ten. Those guys are calling the shots, and

1672
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:13,920
Speaker 2: they're calling the shots in conjunction with their television partners.

1673
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 2: So Sankee is working with ESPN and Disney and all

1674
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:21,360
Speaker 2: of that, and Petit he's working with this conglomerate of

1675
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:25,559
Speaker 2: NBC and CBS and Fox Fox primarily because they own

1676
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:27,800
Speaker 2: part of the Big Ten network. So they are the

1677
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:29,639
Speaker 2: ones running the sport. Like we have a twelve team

1678
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:32,160
Speaker 2: playoff this year that's coming. It is not well thought

1679
01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:34,760
Speaker 2: out at all. The schedule of it makes absolutely no sense.

1680
01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:38,519
Speaker 2: But right now they are still sharing in the wealth

1681
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:41,960
Speaker 2: of that with the other now power four conferences because

1682
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 2: one conference, the PAC twelve, is gone, and they're still

1683
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:45,559
Speaker 2: sharing in that with a group of five. To worry

1684
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 2: about antitrust, but they're the end of that is coming,

1685
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:52,040
Speaker 2: and what you're going to have the are two super conferences,

1686
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 2: the Big Ten and the SEC, and those conferences will

1687
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 2: balloon in numbers, and that's eventually what it's going to be.

1688
01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:00,439
Speaker 3: So when you talk about these kids getting contract, yeah,

1689
01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:04,560
Speaker 3: three year commitment. Yeah, will we stop seeing all this

1690
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:05,400
Speaker 3: jumping around?

1691
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:05,960
Speaker 4: Yes?

1692
01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:08,680
Speaker 2: Because so, And that's the only way to prevent it.

1693
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 2: Because so what they tried to do with name, image

1694
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:14,320
Speaker 2: and likeness and free transfer is they tried to say, okay,

1695
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:17,400
Speaker 2: but you can only transfer if we give you permission. Okay.

1696
01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:19,800
Speaker 2: Well then then they get into court of law and

1697
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:22,439
Speaker 2: they say, wait a second, these aren't employees. An actual

1698
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:24,760
Speaker 2: student would be able to transfer anywhere he wants to

1699
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:26,559
Speaker 2: go and go to the next school as long as

1700
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:29,600
Speaker 2: academically eligible. Those same rules would have to apply to

1701
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:32,439
Speaker 2: a student athlete. So every time they try to put

1702
01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:35,080
Speaker 2: some sort of restriction or cap on it, they get

1703
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 2: beaten in courts and they lose over and over again.

1704
01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:40,960
Speaker 2: So the only way to do it, And Saban talks

1705
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:43,599
Speaker 2: about this, Ryan Days talked about it recently, Urban talked

1706
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:45,880
Speaker 2: about it years ago. Athletic directors. The new athletic director

1707
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:48,000
Speaker 2: at Ohio State, guy named Rosby Yorke. He said it

1708
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 2: out loud. I've never heard Ohio State talk the way

1709
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:53,160
Speaker 2: Ohio State's talking athletically, but his introductory press conference d

1710
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:54,840
Speaker 2: we're headed for a pay for play model. We got

1711
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:57,000
Speaker 2: to be ready for it, and that's where we're at. Yeah,

1712
01:14:57,760 --> 01:14:58,320
Speaker 2: do you take it?

1713
01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:02,080
Speaker 3: Do you feel there's an amazing amount of talent across

1714
01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:05,920
Speaker 3: the nation, no doubt about it. But is there a

1715
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:08,560
Speaker 3: little bit or a lot of charm taking off the

1716
01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:12,080
Speaker 3: game because of this? The ratings would say no, because

1717
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:16,519
Speaker 3: of tradition. It's still tradition, and the everybody wants to

1718
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:17,840
Speaker 3: be a national champion, right, Yeah.

1719
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:20,000
Speaker 2: And I think the one thing that that sport has

1720
01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:22,720
Speaker 2: going for it more than even this one. And this

1721
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:24,880
Speaker 2: is the most popular sport in the country by one

1722
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:27,519
Speaker 2: hundred miles, but college football has become second, is that

1723
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:30,639
Speaker 2: in college football, we are used to rooting for laundry.

1724
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:35,720
Speaker 2: The rosters change, they're already flip. It's every three or

1725
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:37,760
Speaker 2: four years. They flip. The guy's a hero for three

1726
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:39,080
Speaker 2: or four years, and he goes on to the NFL

1727
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:41,200
Speaker 2: and then we get another euro. So they're used to

1728
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:46,200
Speaker 2: rooting for scarlet with gray and buckeye leaves or a

1729
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 2: golden dome and players come and go, but those uniforms

1730
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:51,759
Speaker 2: remain the same, those structures remain the same. The song's

1731
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:54,519
Speaker 2: the same. So even if they're CJ. Stroud made upwards

1732
01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:56,120
Speaker 2: of three and a half million dollars this final year

1733
01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:57,120
Speaker 2: at a highest state plane court.

1734
01:15:57,200 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 3: Wow.

1735
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:01,880
Speaker 2: So why do they get act? Did anybody watching him play?

1736
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:03,760
Speaker 2: I think everybody was fine with it. Now, he made

1737
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:06,800
Speaker 2: that money on name, image and likeness, mostly from booster donations.

1738
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:09,400
Speaker 2: So what difference if it comes from them or for

1739
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:12,639
Speaker 2: it comes on the caps From the university Ohio State's

1740
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:14,800
Speaker 2: athletic department. Last year, the revenues were two hundred and

1741
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:17,920
Speaker 2: seventy nine million. Sooner two hundred and seventy nine million

1742
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:21,080
Speaker 2: was the revenue, their profit was only four and a

1743
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:23,760
Speaker 2: half Wow. Now, the reason that that's the case is

1744
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:27,880
Speaker 2: they have thirty six athletic sports. They have sports that

1745
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:30,280
Speaker 2: they that they give scholarships for that aren't even sports

1746
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:31,080
Speaker 2: in the state of Ohio.

1747
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:33,240
Speaker 4: They have Olympic sports, Olympic sports, they have Olympics.

1748
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:36,439
Speaker 2: Ohio State wants to be Alabama in football, North Carolina

1749
01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:41,360
Speaker 2: and basketball and Stanford and everything else. It's bad business.

1750
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:43,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, have fifteen sixteen.

1751
01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:45,040
Speaker 2: Sports and then to be much more manageable. And that's

1752
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:45,599
Speaker 2: probably where they.

1753
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:48,479
Speaker 3: Who will get hurt in this will the will the

1754
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:52,360
Speaker 3: smaller divisions Division two, Division three, or those kids know

1755
01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:55,840
Speaker 3: they can go to those places and play. I think

1756
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:59,439
Speaker 3: that were some of these conferences that are having such

1757
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:02,519
Speaker 3: a tough time time because they're changing year in Europe

1758
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 3: and you don't know who a member is and you

1759
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:05,960
Speaker 3: don't really you're losing rivalries.

1760
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:08,240
Speaker 2: There will be casualties, yeah, I mean, look what happened

1761
01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:10,639
Speaker 2: in the Pac twelve. Like currently Oregon State and Washington

1762
01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:13,760
Speaker 2: State are out there on their own right, So there

1763
01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:17,120
Speaker 2: definitely will be casualties and the strong will survive and

1764
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:19,479
Speaker 2: there will be some stuff that falls off. I think

1765
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 2: probably the biggest when you say who will be hurt,

1766
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:24,400
Speaker 2: my hunch is that what will be hurt is there

1767
01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:26,799
Speaker 2: will all of a sudden, there will be For example,

1768
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:30,479
Speaker 2: there are coaches at Ohio State in non revenue sports

1769
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:33,479
Speaker 2: that make a million and a half or two million.

1770
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:37,519
Speaker 2: Why why are they being compensated that way? Well, they're

1771
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:39,519
Speaker 2: being compensated that way because they have to spend the money.

1772
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:41,160
Speaker 4: Huh, that's why.

1773
01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:44,439
Speaker 2: Because they're a nonprofit. So they arbitrarily decide we're going

1774
01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:46,679
Speaker 2: to pay this coach seven fifty, this coach one point

1775
01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:49,560
Speaker 2: five even though these sports don't make any money, so

1776
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:52,240
Speaker 2: that will waste what will get hurt. You won't to

1777
01:17:52,240 --> 01:17:54,439
Speaker 2: have strength coaches making a million and a half like

1778
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:57,320
Speaker 2: that in football. That'll come back, right, So those things

1779
01:17:57,360 --> 01:17:58,000
Speaker 2: will come back.

1780
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:00,960
Speaker 4: They'll have to so that they will get hurt.

1781
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:02,800
Speaker 2: They will get hurt. But they are also making an

1782
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:08,479
Speaker 2: inflated salary based on kind of an imaginary bubble that

1783
01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:09,240
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

1784
01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:11,080
Speaker 4: It doesn't make there's no there's.

1785
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:13,160
Speaker 2: No model that says you've got to pay a women's

1786
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:15,240
Speaker 2: basketball coach at Ohio State two and a half million

1787
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:18,000
Speaker 2: for example, right it does. It's not a profitable entity.

1788
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:19,920
Speaker 2: So why would you do that. You do it because

1789
01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:22,920
Speaker 2: you got to spend the money. Is the reality. The

1790
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:24,559
Speaker 2: other thing that will be heard and the one thing

1791
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 2: that that's coming you're gonna have to get used to.

1792
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:32,000
Speaker 2: You are going to see filling the cross Country mortgage

1793
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:35,600
Speaker 2: on the Buckeye uniform that's coming, not there name is

1794
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:38,680
Speaker 2: going to have filling the blank insurance company on there

1795
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:41,479
Speaker 2: that's coming because they're not going to want to give

1796
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:43,519
Speaker 2: back their money. They're gonna give it back, but grudgingly.

1797
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:45,720
Speaker 2: So what they're good, what they're going to do is

1798
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:48,040
Speaker 2: find new avenues to make more money.

1799
01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:49,920
Speaker 4: I understand that.

1800
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's the way it's going to go.

1801
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:52,960
Speaker 4: You know, you see it.

1802
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:55,200
Speaker 3: You know, I took a look at the Celtics uniform

1803
01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:56,880
Speaker 3: right in the NBA Finals and they got a you.

1804
01:18:56,880 --> 01:18:57,679
Speaker 4: Know, mass mutual.

1805
01:18:57,920 --> 01:18:58,040
Speaker 5: Right.

1806
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:02,559
Speaker 3: Oh wait a minute, yeah, Bill Russell is turning over

1807
01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 3: in his grave right now. RhD Rback is taking his

1808
01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:08,000
Speaker 3: cigar and burning it, stamping out.

1809
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:10,559
Speaker 2: The cigar, damn red. And as a kid grew up

1810
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:13,320
Speaker 2: a Lakers fan, how many cigars that have? Oh my gosh,

1811
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:15,439
Speaker 2: every time you'd see he'd have that grin and that cigar.

1812
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:20,160
Speaker 2: But the reality of that sport is it is. And

1813
01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 2: you know this. You guys had the Irish all those

1814
01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:25,160
Speaker 2: years and yeah yeah, and now that you had the

1815
01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:28,200
Speaker 2: Buckeyes on Saturday nights last fall, I'm guessing those rated

1816
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:28,760
Speaker 2: quite well.

1817
01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 3: They were, Yeah, And to be honest with you, they

1818
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:35,439
Speaker 3: do so well that on that particular night, you're gonna

1819
01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:35,880
Speaker 3: make some money.

1820
01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:37,400
Speaker 4: Yes, you know, you're gonna make some money.

1821
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:40,839
Speaker 3: Now when you end up with Rutgers, you know, against

1822
01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:44,040
Speaker 3: somebody else of a lesser Illinois Ye, sorry, Doug Deacon,

1823
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:45,600
Speaker 3: but Rutgers Illinois.

1824
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:47,839
Speaker 4: You know your crickets.

1825
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:50,200
Speaker 2: You guys had I want to say last year on

1826
01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:52,880
Speaker 2: Channel three, I want to say the second or third

1827
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:56,679
Speaker 2: week you had Maryland against Charlotte. That's true in prime

1828
01:19:56,760 --> 01:19:59,519
Speaker 2: time and that happened because of this deal. But that's

1829
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:04,519
Speaker 2: the idea of adding USC, Oregon, UCLA, and Washington. You're

1830
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:07,000
Speaker 2: gonna get less of those going forward. The network partners

1831
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:09,439
Speaker 2: are going to be satisfied because they're gonna better television shows.

1832
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:12,320
Speaker 3: And the big break for Channel three going into the

1833
01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:15,439
Speaker 3: season was that the Ohio State Notre Dame game was

1834
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:18,360
Speaker 3: in South Bend, correct, and they still had the contract

1835
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:20,840
Speaker 3: pending that they had the Notre Dame home game.

1836
01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:24,679
Speaker 2: I'm I'm pretty sure isn't Ohio State Oregon in NBC?

1837
01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:26,240
Speaker 4: You know it might be.

1838
01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:28,519
Speaker 2: I think it is because it's primetime out there and

1839
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:30,439
Speaker 2: that's one of the best games of the year. So

1840
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:31,360
Speaker 2: that will be a monster.

1841
01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:33,679
Speaker 4: It will make for a better Christmas party. It will,

1842
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:34,280
Speaker 4: there's no.

1843
01:20:34,439 --> 01:20:37,000
Speaker 2: Question it will. We'll hit the mail bank. Coming up next,

1844
01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:38,880
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1845
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1846
01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:48,479
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1847
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:52,360
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1848
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1849
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:00,799
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1850
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1852
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1853
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Speaker 5: Hello Gibbet, gentlemen. Hid Uh. Ryan wants to know how

1854
01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:15,479
Speaker 5: Jim's horses are doing.

1855
01:21:16,120 --> 01:21:18,320
Speaker 3: They're doing very good, Ryan, Thanks very much. We have

1856
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:21,639
Speaker 3: two girls and a boy. Two girls and boy.

1857
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:23,760
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, Uh.

1858
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:28,560
Speaker 3: Savia, I'll get the names, yep, Miss Vivian, miss viel No,

1859
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:31,000
Speaker 3: if you meet her for the fourth time, you can call.

1860
01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:34,559
Speaker 2: Her viv Gotta get into that all right away.

1861
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:36,800
Speaker 3: And the boy who's having a very good time with

1862
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:39,320
Speaker 3: Savia and Miss Vivian, Sonny.

1863
01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:41,320
Speaker 2: Sonny Suddi's loving the time his life.

1864
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:46,600
Speaker 5: There's good living out there. Mark did the show. What

1865
01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:49,240
Speaker 5: is Jim's greatest memory of his career in sports?

1866
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:49,439
Speaker 2: Oh?

1867
01:21:49,479 --> 01:21:54,120
Speaker 4: My god, oh god, wow. I would have to say.

1868
01:21:55,680 --> 01:22:00,200
Speaker 3: My greatest memory would I was in Cleveland when the

1869
01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:02,560
Speaker 3: Cavs won the championship. That was pretty exciting, but I

1870
01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:04,439
Speaker 3: was they were out on the West Coast and I

1871
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:07,320
Speaker 3: was kind of anchoring back here. I would have to say,

1872
01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:09,400
Speaker 3: it's got to be with the Browns. It has to

1873
01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:11,680
Speaker 3: be it, uh, and it has to be with the

1874
01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:14,880
Speaker 3: recent Browns. I think, you know great memories. I thought

1875
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:16,679
Speaker 3: that Jets game last year.

1876
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:19,679
Speaker 4: When they made the playoffs, that was what it's all about.

1877
01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:22,040
Speaker 4: I mean that was. There was a guy one time

1878
01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:23,000
Speaker 4: that was a directing.

1879
01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:25,480
Speaker 3: I was doing a Bowl game for NBC doing sidelines

1880
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:29,760
Speaker 3: and Auburn was playing Ohio State. Okay, it was called

1881
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:32,280
Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame Bolt. Now it's the It's don

1882
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:35,640
Speaker 3: in Tampa. And anyway, he said we're gonna watch the

1883
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:39,599
Speaker 3: Alabama Auburn game. To scouty he said, that is great theater.

1884
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:42,639
Speaker 3: And that Thursday night, I thought that was great theater.

1885
01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:43,479
Speaker 1: That is. Yeah.

1886
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:48,160
Speaker 5: Brown's backers North Jersey with an interesting one. All right,

1887
01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:51,160
Speaker 5: if there's a chance, can you ask the great Jim

1888
01:22:51,240 --> 01:22:55,439
Speaker 5: Donovan about his memories of calling Kansas City, Seattle, where

1889
01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:57,960
Speaker 5: Derek Thomas set the sack record for a game.

1890
01:22:59,400 --> 01:23:03,160
Speaker 4: I tell you that game, yeah, with Paul maguire Arrowhead Stadium.

1891
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:06,240
Speaker 3: Marty Schottenheimer was the head coach Steve de Burgh was

1892
01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:10,840
Speaker 3: the quarterback for you know, for the Chiefs and had

1893
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:12,679
Speaker 3: them on a little bit of a role. Derek Thomas

1894
01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:17,920
Speaker 3: was incredible. Okay, but here's the unbelievable part of the story.

1895
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:21,200
Speaker 3: Kansas City is holding onto a lead and they are

1896
01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:24,560
Speaker 3: very close to making the playoff. Arrowhead Stadium was like

1897
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:28,400
Speaker 3: it is now wild. Okay, Derek Thomas has already set

1898
01:23:28,479 --> 01:23:32,760
Speaker 3: the sack record. David Craig drops back to pass. Derek

1899
01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:35,920
Speaker 3: Thomas goes right by the tackle once again to end

1900
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:39,840
Speaker 3: the game with another sack to pad the record, and

1901
01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:44,200
Speaker 3: he loses David Craig on a shirt poll. David Craig

1902
01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:48,040
Speaker 3: heaves the ball into the end zone and Paul Scancey

1903
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:52,240
Speaker 3: caught it at the buzzer and the Chiefs lose.

1904
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:56,760
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, how's that for a memory? And we'll

1905
01:23:56,800 --> 01:24:00,880
Speaker 4: be back. How many touchdowns so that guy ever have

1906
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:03,800
Speaker 4: in his career? Didn't he run for political office? Paul

1907
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:05,280
Speaker 4: Scancy feels.

1908
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:11,200
Speaker 3: Like that, No idea, It's been a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1909
01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:13,240
Speaker 3: we'll be back with the Chiefs post game wrap up.

1910
01:24:15,240 --> 01:24:18,000
Speaker 4: Touchdown City.

1911
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:20,240
Speaker 5: A guy that doesn't open the windows.

1912
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:21,479
Speaker 4: We don't, we don't.

1913
01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:25,679
Speaker 5: We are in a stadium with the windows. Uh, Jersey

1914
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:27,479
Speaker 5: Dog did want to know where does your love of

1915
01:24:27,560 --> 01:24:28,479
Speaker 5: horses come from?

1916
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:31,240
Speaker 4: It actually comes from my wife and my daughter.

1917
01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:35,519
Speaker 3: Cheryl had a horse before I knew her, and uh,

1918
01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:38,120
Speaker 3: and then she needed a car so that she had

1919
01:24:38,120 --> 01:24:41,000
Speaker 3: to make a decision when she was single car horse. Well,

1920
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:43,880
Speaker 3: it's easy to park a car downtown than a horse.

1921
01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:48,320
Speaker 3: So when we got married and Megan became very interested

1922
01:24:48,360 --> 01:24:50,400
Speaker 3: in it with her mom, that's how they did it.

1923
01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:52,479
Speaker 4: And we went on and we got into.

1924
01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:55,559
Speaker 2: The horse business can be a tough business.

1925
01:24:56,479 --> 01:24:58,280
Speaker 4: Well it's not like you know, it's not like we're

1926
01:24:58,280 --> 01:25:04,080
Speaker 4: at Pimlico. Yeah, you're good.

1927
01:25:04,200 --> 01:25:08,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, But there is something really cool about when you

1928
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:11,519
Speaker 2: and I remember this even as a kid, but even

1929
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:14,040
Speaker 2: as I will go home and we'll have a cup

1930
01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:16,320
Speaker 2: of coffee early in the morning, and to see them

1931
01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:19,240
Speaker 2: loping around, Oh, it's just a beautiful They run so

1932
01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:22,599
Speaker 2: effortlessly and they're so paticul it's really cool.

1933
01:25:23,800 --> 01:25:27,320
Speaker 5: Brian tweets at the show football question for you guys,

1934
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:29,160
Speaker 5: we haven't had to worry about the old line under

1935
01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:32,040
Speaker 5: Callahan's direction. Will they maintain the same scheme or will

1936
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:35,320
Speaker 5: it be an adjustment to something new that everyone has

1937
01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:37,040
Speaker 5: to learn under Andy Dickerson.

1938
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:41,160
Speaker 3: Well, Andy Dickerson didn't he work a little bit with

1939
01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:43,960
Speaker 3: Bill Callahan. Wasn't he a bit of a student of

1940
01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:47,280
Speaker 3: Bill Callahan. I think if I'm a student of Bill

1941
01:25:47,400 --> 01:25:51,280
Speaker 3: Callahan or a player that played for Bill Callahan. Under

1942
01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:54,080
Speaker 3: Bill Callahan, I think there would be a bit of

1943
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Speaker 3: the Callahan way as I carry on in my career.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I think that's a tough thing to see.

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Speaker 4: Until we see them, you know what they're doing.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I always look, what do you think? Bill

1947
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Speaker 2: is an all timer? And I think where you will

1948
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Speaker 2: miss Bill the most is like what happened with Dewan Jones,

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Speaker 2: where you have a have him took this incredible clay

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Speaker 2: and then made it into a guy who could have

1951
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Speaker 2: been like an All Pro and he stayed healthy. So

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Speaker 2: I think that's where we're gonna miss Bill the most

1953
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Speaker 2: is in that he's just a tactician. He's a genius.

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Speaker 2: Not to minimize, but I always say this, and I

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Speaker 2: think that sometimes in this market we get so infatuated

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Speaker 2: offensive line. Yeah, and like, oh my god, our offensive

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Speaker 2: line six We actually had the best offensive line in

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Speaker 2: football for about fifteen years, you've had one of them.

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Speaker 2: I mean, like the Joe group and then this group,

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Speaker 2: Like you've been the best. Name the offensive lineman for

1961
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Speaker 2: the Patriots during Brady's run. You name a couple here

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Speaker 2: and there. You just want offensive line play that you

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Speaker 2: don't notice. Yeah, that's really it, and it.

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Speaker 4: Won't be more fat your breach.

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Speaker 2: There's a couple of guys like think about the who's

1966
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Speaker 2: the Mahomes offensive line? It doesn't really matter.

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Speaker 4: Like you, once Mitchell Schwartz left, I was done right.

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Speaker 2: You're getting be very competently coached. You have a ton

1969
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Speaker 2: of talent. I think you're gonna be more than fine.

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Speaker 2: That'll be the least. I don't think you have to

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Speaker 2: worry about it at all.

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Speaker 3: Well how about this though, you know you're right about

1973
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Speaker 3: Bill Callahan, But how about what he did the year

1974
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Speaker 3: the COVID year when they made the playoffs and all

1975
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Speaker 3: of the offensive linemen were hurt remembering how he has.

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Speaker 4: Oh you're the center, Nice to meet you. Yeah, I

1977
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Speaker 4: was in New York. Wasn't it the Jets?

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Speaker 3: Well that was the Jets game, But you're right, that

1979
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Speaker 3: was when they couldn't fly out that day because all

1980
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Speaker 3: the wide receivers right came down and tested positive.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and they did a walk through.

1982
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Speaker 3: The morning of the game, Jason and I were getting

1983
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Speaker 3: set to talk to Kevin because we couldn't interview him.

1984
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Speaker 3: We sat around, Remember it gives me the whole day Saturday,

1985
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:46,960
Speaker 3: and they kept getting pushed, can't interview him because they

1986
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Speaker 3: they're trying to get on the plane.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So finally Sunday morning, he says, I'll do the interview

1989
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Speaker 3: and we're getting ready to do it. He's doing it

1990
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Speaker 3: from like I think his coach's office at the time,

1991
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Speaker 3: and I go, how's it going. He goes, well, we

1992
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Speaker 3: just did a walk through out in the out in

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Speaker 3: the parking lot of the hotel. And how they had

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Speaker 3: to put it together.

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Speaker 2: Nuts.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely nuts.

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Speaker 5: I just remember that game. We had a four hour

1998
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Speaker 5: pre game. It was all put together. Felt great about it.

1999
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Speaker 5: Mike Greenberg came on, he was, yeah, did a whole

2000
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Speaker 5: thing and it was an awesome and then the news

2001
01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:20,679
Speaker 5: came fin We finally got the news at like eight

2002
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Speaker 5: pm that our entire wide receiver room wasn't going to

2003
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Speaker 5: play and I looked at my wife. We had literally

2004
01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:27,519
Speaker 5: just sat down to watch a movie and I'm like,

2005
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Speaker 5: I've got to start over. I've got to put the

2006
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Speaker 5: whole We got to change the whole thing.

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Speaker 3: Oh, they were all out. Landry was out. They were

2008
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Speaker 3: all out because they were in close contact.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Landry was incensed.

2010
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Speaker 2: He was curious. I do remember that.

2011
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Speaker 4: I just like, let me play. I don't have it.

2012
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Speaker 3: He was so furious that the next week then they

2013
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Speaker 3: had to play and beat the Steelers to get in

2014
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Speaker 3: and they gave the ball.

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Speaker 4: Remember they gave the ball to Landing.

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Speaker 3: He was he was like on fire that day because

2017
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Speaker 3: he was so upset about what happened the week before,

2018
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Speaker 3: because they could have wrapped it up if they had

2019
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Speaker 3: beaten the Jets yep, the week before, the lowly Jets.

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Speaker 4: And he came out that game and they just kept

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Speaker 4: getting him the ball.

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Speaker 3: In fact, they've ran him on like a wide receiver

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Speaker 3: counterplay to get him into the end zone and he

2024
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Speaker 3: just ran over like three Steelers.

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Speaker 4: Nothing was going to stop him on that Sunday.

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Speaker 2: Baker in that game fifty three attempts, yeah, twenty eight

2027
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Speaker 2: to fifty three. Nick eleven carries twenty eight for Chubb

2028
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Speaker 2: Kareem four for eleven, Austin Hooper was our leading receiver

2029
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Speaker 2: seven for seventy one on fifteen targets. JaMarcus Bradley was

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Speaker 2: targeted eleven times in that game.

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Speaker 4: You know, I think Baker fumbled a couple of times

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Speaker 4: in that game.

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Speaker 2: Wow, I think yeah he did. You're right he fumbled

2034
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Speaker 2: three lost too. Yeah, you're right. Good memory always on you. No,

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Speaker 2: that's crazy, I mean that, Andy Janovich, Marvin Hall.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, we pulled out all the stops.

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Speaker 2: This is Harrison Brian at seven, Dante la Velli.

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Speaker 4: Where was good? Huts.

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Speaker 2: We like to hear that good job out of you, Jim,

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Speaker 2: So much more to come. You listen to Cleveland Browns

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Speaker 2: Esp and Cleveland. All right, there you go. This was

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Speaker 2: a pleasure.

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Speaker 4: I had a great time anytime, all right.

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Speaker 2: I loved it, absolutely loved it. The great Jim Donovan

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Speaker 2: and studio for the entire program. White a thrill to

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Speaker 2: always be able to do that. A special victory first

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Speaker 2: Friday edition of the program tomorrow. This is probably the

2051
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Speaker 2: most remarkable week and saying a lot of last season.

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Speaker 2: So that's Steelers week. So that's the DeShawn news leading

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Speaker 2: into the game your return. Nick Chubb, No, that the best.

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Speaker 4: Moment of my career. That was I think that was it.

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Speaker 2: That wasn't a dry eye on the place, to say

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