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Speaker 1: Welcome back to these solid Verbel boys and girls. Whoooo,

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Speaker 1: we got some news. We got some news. In case

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Speaker 1: you haven't seen it, usc UCLA reportedly headed to the

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Speaker 1: Big Ten, per a report from John Wilner of the

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Speaker 1: San Jose Mercury News. Dan and I obviously saw the

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Speaker 1: need to hop on do an emergency podcast. What you're

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Speaker 1: gonna hear is a clip from that podcast. We've got

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Speaker 1: the full thing posted out on Patreon atverballers dot com.

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Speaker 1: If you want to get access, going out to forballers

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Speaker 1: dot com you can find out more about how you

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Speaker 1: can watch the video, how you can listen to the

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Speaker 1: full audio version. It runs about an hour, but this

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Speaker 1: is about an eleven twelve minute clip of us just

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Speaker 1: setting the stage, talking this through, really reacting in real time, emotionally,

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Speaker 1: in real time to just an earth shattering day of

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Speaker 1: news in the college football world. On June the thirtieth,

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Speaker 1: no less again, usc UCLA headed to the Big Ten.

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Speaker 2: Have a listen.

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Speaker 1: Hope we can catch you out at forballers dot com.

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Speaker 1: In the meantime, we're just catching our breath here. Wow,

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Speaker 1: we have breaking news. I saved my voice up for

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Speaker 1: that battle cry, Dan M you got a clean.

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Speaker 2: Bill of health. By the way, you just got back

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Speaker 2: from the doctor.

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Speaker 1: I got back from the doctor. I nearly had a

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Speaker 1: heart attack on the way there when I looked at Twitter.

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Speaker 1: Exactly at one twenty three pm Eastern time, I was

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Speaker 1: looking at my phone shortly after you message me, I

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Speaker 1: believe from your haircut.

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Speaker 3: Right then I messaged you from my haircut as you

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Speaker 3: were in the doctor's.

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Speaker 1: House in the chair, and you say to me Twitter

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Speaker 1: rumors about USC and UCLA joining the Big Ten. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I it broke. I did a Twitter search. I couldn't

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Speaker 1: find it. I couldn't find anything on I saw a

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Speaker 1: lot of cryptic tweets. And then at one twenty three

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Speaker 1: pm Eastern time, John Wilner, San Jose Mercury News breaks, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: breaks the story the story of the college trip ball

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Speaker 1: off season. So far, I think there have been a

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Speaker 1: lot of stories, but I think this is probably the one.

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Speaker 1: This is a big deal on many different levels that

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Speaker 1: they're seeking to leave as early as twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: It has not been finalized yet. There have been subsequent

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Speaker 1: news reports that have come out saying basically, it's a formality.

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Speaker 1: It's a formality. It's going to happen, as you said,

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Speaker 1: could be announced as soon as Friday. So we got

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Speaker 1: a lot going on here. Man, there's a lot going

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Speaker 1: on here. And I just got back from the doctor.

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Speaker 1: My heart's in good shape, at least it was before

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Speaker 1: all of this.

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Speaker 2: As you get on a treadmill, did you do the

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Speaker 2: whole like?

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Speaker 1: Okay, I didn't need to do that, but I suppose

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Speaker 1: there's still some time in this yere week. This is

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Speaker 1: the Emerger pod about the PAC twelve, about the USC

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Speaker 1: and UCLA potential move.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: By the way, I recorded a video from downtown Evanston,

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Speaker 3: heart of Big ten Country and it wouldn't post, and

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Speaker 3: I send it to you on Google Drive to get

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Speaker 2: I don't even know if you saw that. I was like,

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Speaker 3: It's like the Pentagon papers and did post a video

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Speaker 3: you're right. The reverberations are already being bandied about.

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Speaker 1: It feels like the death knell for the PAC twelve.

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Speaker 1: It feels like the death knell for the Rose Bowl.

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Speaker 1: It feels like this is maybe that one domino that

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Speaker 1: what happened at some point in the future that would

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Speaker 1: be the tipping point. It wasn't Texas and Oklahoma. We

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Speaker 1: could sort of work around that, right, This one feels

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Speaker 3: It feels like Texas, Oklahoma, to be honest, it just

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Speaker 3: only a matter of time before we see a Florida State,

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Speaker 3: definitely feels like a Fox play because Fox and ESPN

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Speaker 3: So it feels like this is Fox almost brokering things

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Speaker 3: Cal bring the academics and they're part of the I

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Speaker 3: I'm totally blanking on. It doesn't matter, It doesn't right,

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Speaker 3: it doesn't matter at this point, but I will get

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Speaker 3: The ACC is locked into a pretty bad rights deal

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Speaker 3: hope that somebody this is annoying me. Somebody needs AAU

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Speaker 3: Schools thank you. So yeah, man, I'm getting a bajillion

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Speaker 3: text I'm getting from Oregon people, from national people seeing

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Speaker 1: This is a crazy news story. It's crazy that it

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Speaker 1: happens on June the thirtieth, and in the dead of summer,

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Speaker 1: in what would otherwise be sort of the long, cold,

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Speaker 1: deep dark depths of college football's offseason. Right it starts

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Speaker 1: to tick up after this, generally after the fourth of July.

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Speaker 1: Not right, not this week. But there are a couple

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Speaker 1: which is, for you, the Oregon slash Washington angle, which

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Speaker 1: I do want to unpack and get into. But let's

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Speaker 1: keep it with USC and UCLA for a moment, if

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Speaker 1: we could. You know, there's a tweet here that was posted.

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Speaker 1: Thank you to Jigajoe for posting this from John Wilner

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Speaker 1: play our Innverballer Discord, which you can find at ver

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Speaker 1: ballers dot com of course you're listening to this, so

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Speaker 1: you're well aware of this already. But John Wilner citing

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Speaker 1: a source saying that USC and UCLA could top one

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Speaker 1: to it. There is also this undercurrent that's been around

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Speaker 1: a challenge for the PAC twelve, but the media rights,

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Speaker 1: this constant like desire to try and make this conference

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Speaker 1: Who knows to what end. That all factor didn't hear

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the calculation is they don't see a path forward.

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Speaker 3: They don't see the PAC twelve as a viable growth

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Speaker 3: And where the PAC twelve stood was basically, you know,

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Speaker 3: And the PAC twelve said, Okay, you know, maybe down

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Speaker 3: the bigger brands on the East coast, it just wasn't viable.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't a fit in the PAC ten. What's so

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Speaker 3: attractive about the PAC t Well, why would any of

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Speaker 3: it doesn't take somebody brilliant to say, but what are

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Speaker 2: Eyeballs to its product.

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Speaker 3: Like if a huge coach suddenly falls in love with

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Speaker 3: going to Pullman or Eugene or Phoenix, does that mean

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Speaker 3: if it happened with Boulder because there's such a traditional

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Speaker 2: But I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I think I think a lot of these these programs

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Speaker 3: are looking at him to conferences, are looking at it

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Speaker 3: the sport is going, this is where it's going. Would

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Speaker 3: why would we risk it on this conference that you know,

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Speaker 3: PAC twelve might be folding its network, right, so the

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Speaker 3: rights deal is just going to be less of what

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Speaker 3: the big ten, you know, the scraps of what the

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Speaker 3: Big ten and the SEC are going to get. And

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Speaker 3: so you know you're either out front or you're you know,

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Speaker 3: falling behind. And USC and UCLA said, okay, you know

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Speaker 3: the thing that must be done eventually should be done immediately.

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Speaker 1: Let's do it You can catch the rest of this

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Speaker 1: discussion at averballers dot com. There's a link in the

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Speaker 1: show description. In the meantime, we're just reading the news

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Speaker 1: like the rest of you.

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Speaker 2: Enjoy it. Stay solid,