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Speaker 1: country on the planet Chasing Battery. This is a very

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Speaker 1: special episode of the Bear Hunting Magazine podcast that I

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Speaker 1: another guest. I had the opportunity to sit down with

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Speaker 1: or Lee Province of Crawford County, Arkansas. Or is ninety

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Speaker 1: but he goes by Oor. I got to sit down

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Speaker 1: with Ori. I've known or for about ten years or so,

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Speaker 1: and I was introduced to him because of the legend

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Speaker 1: that he was in the region that he deer hunts

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Speaker 1: for a regional Arkansas hunting magazine about our province and

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Speaker 1: the two big bucks that he killed in nineteen sixty

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Speaker 1: five on public land in the rugged Ozark Mountains. Ori

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Speaker 1: is a unique man today because of the life that

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Speaker 1: he's lived. Or He was born in nineteen seven back

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Speaker 1: in the same Holla that he now he's deal lives in,

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Speaker 1: Ori is an old school human and I really have

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Speaker 1: I think growing up in Arkansas, I don't I don't

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Speaker 1: just had a conversation with Ori that you're going to enjoy.

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Speaker 1: I think the context will help you understand or the Ozarks.

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Speaker 1: Anthropologists say we're culturally and geographically isolated until the nineteen

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Speaker 1: basically cover an area that's probably I don't know how

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Speaker 1: Oriy they got electricity in nineteen forty eight, he told

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Speaker 1: back in there until the nineteen seventies, and to this day,

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Speaker 1: enjoy this conversation with my friend or a lead province.

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Speaker 1: As a side note, we never specified how big these

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Speaker 1: you'll see pictures of them on the posts about this podcast.

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Speaker 1: But the first deer that already killed scored a hundred

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Speaker 1: and sixty inches. I scored that deer myself. The second

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Speaker 1: eighty six gross inches. So for the Ozarks, those are incredible. Dear,

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Speaker 1: if they were killed today in the nineteen five deer

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Speaker 1: to see you, ye see you. This is my youngest son, Shepherd.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna talk about stuff like that. Yeah, we don't

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Speaker 1: have what you use it? Well, it's people listen to

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Speaker 1: it on their phones. Now. I I just wanted to

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Speaker 1: some of your earliest memories of hunting and how hunting

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Speaker 1: culture of this region, you know, kind of how you

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's incredible. I mean even the lifespan.

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Speaker 1: the story that I wrote about you and what they're

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00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: blows there was ever worth just about. Yeah. They had

427
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: a game refuge over here, thed and uh it stayed.

428
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: We had to hunt around him, but he couldn't hunt there.

429
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: They were trying to reintroduce deer in the forties, so

430
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: they brought in some deer. Oh yeah, yeah, they brought

431
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: them in it. And there's getting more the kind of

432
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: scattered out than the openings season on it. Yeah. Yeah,

433
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: but you, uh so, I remember the story that I

434
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: wrote about you years ago. Uh I called it the

435
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: Bluff Hunter titled at that because you used to like

436
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: to stay on the top of these bluffs and you

437
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: can kind of look down and see these flats. Yeah,

438
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: and that's where these deer would be. But if you

439
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: were up on the bluff, you'd kind of be hid

440
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: from him, is that right, right? They can't smell you. You

441
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: You love them and they don't. Yeah, And so that

442
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: way you can get a I've killed several land down Okay.

443
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: So you would just creep along the top of the

444
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: bluff and you'd see them bedded. Yeah, right, I'll be done.

445
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: I remember you used to throw rocks off a bluff too.

446
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: Sometimes sometimes you'd wake them up if you couldn't see

447
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: why you told something down our kind of make it

448
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: no water. They're wondering what it was and maybe didn't

449
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: move where he could see him, if there's any there. Yeah, yeah,

450
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: Hey guys, we want to take a short intermission here

451
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: at the middle of the podcast. And if you remember,

452
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: Mr Ry said that a nineteen thirty six his family

453
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: got their first radio that he loved listening to the

454
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: original Carter Family music and Bill Monroe's music. We're gonna

455
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: take a minute. We're gonna listen to Cotton E Joe

456
00:31:31,840 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: by Bill Monroe. This is for you, Mr Or I

457
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: didn't been made forty years ago, if I hadn't been

458
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: knocking cotton age. Where did you come from? Where did

459
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: you go? Where did you come from? Cottonightjo? Where did

460
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: you come from? Where did you go? How did you

461
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: come from? Cottonight? Same a grandmam? Did you know? Chicken

462
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: in the red bedspreads? Not do? Where did you come from?

463
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: Where did you go? How did you come from? A cottonyge?

464
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: Where did you come from? Where did you go? How

465
00:32:42,400 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: did you come from? Cotton je? Corns? Don't feeling us

466
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: your string ball? Play a little tune called cotton Night do?

467
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: Where did you come from? Where did you go? Hight?

468
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: Did you come from cotton night to? Where did you

469
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: come from? Where did you go? Where did you come from? Cotton? Mind?

470
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: You don't you remember? Don't you know? Daddy work a man? Go?

471
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: Co mind you? Where did you come from? Where did

472
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: you go? Why you come from Cotnight? Do? Where did

473
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: you come from? Where do you need to go? Do

474
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: you come from? To do? Even if you don't like

475
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: bluegrass music, surely you enjoyed that in this context. Hey,

476
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: we're gonna jump back into the episode and Mr. Or

477
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: He's gonna tell us about the big bucks that he

478
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 1: killed in nineteen sixty. In nineteen sixty, Uh, you killed

479
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: two just big old deer, tremendous deer, non typical deer. Um.

480
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,439
Speaker 1: Do you recall the exact scenario of how you killed

481
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: those deer? Ye? Tell us that story. Well, I was man,

482
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: my boy, he was fourteen years old, and we went

483
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 1: across Hurrican Creek. Who we're here, and across on uh

484
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: towards rattlesnake, gup and down the point and got down

485
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: on the in the point. I left him on top

486
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: the hill and I said, I've gone down there with

487
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: them pines at olm blows arette and stethon jump up something.

488
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: And I was going to climbing over a bluff and

489
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 1: I scared four deer out of a bed down blow me.

490
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 1: You know, he run off, and so why does thee's

491
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 1: on down the bluff? And uh cut down and went

492
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: on down and found their beds where right threw by

493
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 1: it went on doubt about sixty five hunter about ninety

494
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: yards the other side of it, and Uh, I hear

495
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: the racket behind me, and I looked around and I

496
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: saw this point bucker coming. All I could see is this.

497
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: You could kill one without I think a spiker. He

498
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: just need horns. I could see them horns and I

499
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: saw he had enough horns his legal shoot, so I

500
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: couldn't see nothing but this a spot between two trees.

501
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: So I shot him in the flanks, and I thought, well,

502
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: I cripped him, and uh, so I shot him, and

503
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: he come right through by me and brought about. I

504
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 1: think it's ninety three yards and if day drive over

505
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: from me, I'll be doing What do you think when

506
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: you walked up to him and started counting those points? Yeah, yeah,

507
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: but I I can't. I just left him ron wait

508
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 1: and got my boy and we went and is it

509
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: this boy that's out here? Yep, that's low knife for

510
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: you right now? Right? Okay, yeah, he's fourteen years old. Now,

511
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: how did you get him out of there? I know

512
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 1: about where. We drug him to the creek, on down

513
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: the creek and tuck him up the creek because we

514
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: can't take him up back up the bluff where I'd

515
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: come from nowhere to him her car, her rig was

516
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: setting on top the mountain, so UH had to go

517
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 1: back up her and get it. But anyway, I went

518
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: and we tuck him around the creek and tuck him

519
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: up the creek and we run on to some harness

520
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: earned the boy that. Uh, he had a boltswagon and

521
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:02,240
Speaker 1: we put he took us back to raids and hauled

522
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: it up to where we could get it. And then

523
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: you killed another one. You killed another big one. Now

524
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: was it a few years later? When when did you

525
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: kill that? Two weeks later? Two weeks later, two weeks later,

526
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 1: I'll be during the same area. No, No, it was

527
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 1: about north here here's up Frog Creek. And that was

528
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,280
Speaker 1: just an incredible season. Yeah, yeah, they're both in season.

529
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: Well I'd said it was just an incredible year for you.

530
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: I've never seen nothing like it. So what about this second, dear?

531
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: How did that that happen? Well? I was the checking

532
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,959
Speaker 1: a man's cattle and uh up the creek here. He's

533
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: from magol like Texas, and I was taking care of

534
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: his cattle up her and I went up here, and

535
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: of course you dar saying, you know, I had my

536
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:56,439
Speaker 1: gun women and uh so he had a big pond

537
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: builder and I just I don't remember. I was just

538
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 1: water is doing anyway. This deer was just helping to

539
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 1: take it there above that running out through there, huh,

540
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,439
Speaker 1: and I saw them big horns. I started shooting. O shot.

541
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 1: I think he's nine times whatever it takes and the

542
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:19,879
Speaker 1: last shot of shot he fell right backwards. He's running fasts.

543
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: I'll be he's eighteen points. Yeah wow yeah. Um let

544
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: me see here, I've got I've got some specific questions here. Um. Well,

545
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: I remember you telling me about some bear stories. Uh,

546
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:46,240
Speaker 1: not necessarily hunting the bears, but when you were walking

547
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: up the road. Uh, I was we go we go

548
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: to Sunday school all time, and and uh I had

549
00:38:55,280 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 1: a bypass and ninety one that ninety one and uh

550
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:07,240
Speaker 1: but anyway, I supposed to walk a hunting fourteen steps

551
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: a minute, and so but we'd come back from Sunday school.

552
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: I'd get out of mill above my house here and

553
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: started walking to the house. She'd come on. She'd have

554
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: my dinner ready when I got here. So anyway, I

555
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: was coming down the road. I looked down the road

556
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 1: in front of me. I saw something there. I thought

557
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: was one of my cows. And uh, so I just

558
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,760
Speaker 1: kept walking and looking for another one. He called ahead

559
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: and some more and uh, I looked up again while

560
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: I saw his buyer. Well, I stopped in. I didn't

561
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 1: know what to do. I just had that bypass, and

562
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: uh and I couldn't claim my tree if I wanted to.

563
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: Of course it wouldn't have anything, Adam. But anyway, I

564
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: told her, I, did you get out of here? He

565
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 1: just down on the road and he wouldn't move, and uh,

566
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: hollerd holler. That didn't work with him. About fifteen minutes

567
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: and he want to do a thing. He just stood

568
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: there and I didn't know what to do. But the

569
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 1: thought of what wed olds on. He uh used to

570
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: come out here and sang it bidful here or a

571
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: gold church, and he told one put him up a tree.

572
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 1: He said, act as brave as you can. So I

573
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 1: just sat, well, I'll just see what I can do.

574
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: I just made four fire steps towards him, and when

575
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: he did, he just turned his head around like he's

576
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: going to have to move. Then he's straightened back up.

577
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: I thought, well, what'll do now? So so you kind

578
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: of bluff charged buff Yeah, and it didn't work. It

579
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,959
Speaker 1: didn't work that time, but I'll work with him again.

580
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: Holliday at him and everything else. And he wouldn't move,

581
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: and so I started again. I said, you get out

582
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 1: of here, and so I did that. Well, he went

583
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: around and I thought he went up to holler, but uh,

584
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: give him a little time to get up the hollar.

585
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 1: I hears something making noise. Branches up is in June,

586
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 1: branches up and running and making noise, and and he

587
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: went up out on the side. And so that's all

588
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: I know. I thought he went on up the hollar. Yeah,

589
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 1: but times a way he's going down the road, and

590
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: watch it for him. I looked, it's about time I

591
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: got even with him. He's satting on about twenty steps

592
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: on me. He just went off the road and just

593
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: sat there. They're smacking his mouth at me. Oh, he

594
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 1: was popping his teeth at you. And he was a

595
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,479
Speaker 1: big He was like you talked about that, isn't it. Yeah,

596
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: he had a big, big, big bear, big bear. Yeah,

597
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: I believe you to wait six found I thought he would. Yeah,

598
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: he probably did. May have been a little big, but

599
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: I thought he would. He was a big one. Now

600
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: do you remember so the story of Arkansas black bears

601
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: that we did, we had, I mean, we had black

602
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: bear forever and then in the you know, they said

603
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: between by nineteen four and this is just a I

604
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: think kind of an arbitrary date. By nineteen forty, there

605
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: were no bears left over in this part of Arkansas.

606
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: That's what they said. And then they started bringing them

607
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 1: back in between nineteen fifty four and nineteen sixty four,

608
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 1: they traded bass and wild turkey with some states up

609
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: north and Canadian province. And we're bringing bears back in

610
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: here and and turn them loose. Um, do you remember

611
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: was there any talk of that? Or I mean, do

612
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: you remember? I don't remember much about it back then?

613
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: You know what I don't When did you start seeing bears?

614
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 1: Because I mean you're in some big time bear country,

615
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 1: I mean, like for Arkansas, like this is as about

616
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: as good a bear country as there is. Well, I

617
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: never I never seen no bar around through here until

618
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 1: oh see who's building Short Lake for that? Now? What

619
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 1: are you how to fit for? Okay? And fit for

620
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: what we saw? One? He's going to work four day

621
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: lighting one run across the road. I play back to first.

622
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: Is that right? So nineteen fifty four you saw a bear? Yeah,

623
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 1: we'll see. That would have either had to have been

624
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: one of the bears they turned loose, because that's when

625
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: they started the reintroduction, was in nineteen fifty four, or

626
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: it could have been. And see, here's the deal that

627
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: I keep going back to, is that I believe that

628
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 1: there were still bears over in this part of the world.

629
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: They said they were extra pated. That means that they

630
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: were like just a region of this they were extinct

631
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: out of this region. Um because my, my, my, my, my,

632
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: my wife's grandfather he lived down in the Washingtalls, down

633
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: around Mina and in the nineteen thirties he killed a

634
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 1: bear with a rock. What he was, he was just

635
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 1: a boy. He's walking down the road and saw just

636
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: a little bear cub. I mean, it wasn't much more

637
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: than a bear cub. Saw a bear cub run across

638
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 1: the road and it he chased up a tree, and

639
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: you know, he's just probably a twelve year old kid,

640
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: started chunking rocks at it and ended up killing this bear.

641
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 1: And he was petrified that he had broken the law,

642
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 1: you know. And but there weren't supposed to be any

643
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: bears in that part of the world in the nineteen

644
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: thirties and so anyway, but supposedly there weren't any. But

645
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 1: so you saw your first one. I'll be darn You

646
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: remember dates really well, don't you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

647
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:39,399
Speaker 1: I can remember. But in the neighborhood. Yeah, oh, that's

648
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: good for ninety one. That's real good. Hang here too, Yeah,

649
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 1: and well you're doing good, then I'll be darn. I

650
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: got a troubled old hip. Troubled hip, yeah, from climbing

651
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: all those bluffs. I guess too many steps, too many steps.

652
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 1: So so you saw a bear in fifty four, and

653
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: then would you say that bear activity has increased around

654
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: here over the years it has since that time? Yeah, slow,

655
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 1: but it's in great. We didn't have any back in

656
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:23,720
Speaker 1: York around Rhyme that year until last six seven, right yere, Okay,

657
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: I've never I've never seen any back in the year.

658
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: And you're you're what you're describing is I mean, you're

659
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: kind of like in I mean you've got cleared land

660
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 1: and kind of farm country here and uh and so

661
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: you probably wouldn't see bears in your day to day activity,

662
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 1: but they've been close to you for a lot longer

663
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: than that about in the mountains. They've been around, no doubt.

664
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, you know you didn't you didn't see they

665
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: had never bothered you much. I mean you never really

666
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: had trouble with him. Maybe a few over the years.

667
00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 1: The slash fall, they was two stayed right here quite

668
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: a bit out here that different one song him right

669
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: here in my field, okay, okay. And I saw him

670
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,399
Speaker 1: out here one day. I was on my four wether

671
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: and and I was talking to I've been sitting there

672
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 1: and talking to him about fifteen minutes. And and uh,

673
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: I'd ask him he saw him here much out around

674
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: him and he lit her father went out of the mountain.

675
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: He said, well, not all that many, but we see

676
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 1: some cases, you know. Yeah. And I said, well, what

677
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 1: about bar? And he said, well, it's ain't no bar

678
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 1: yet right anyway, Well, he's just sitting there, was sitting

679
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 1: our talk. He's at right us two right now, right

680
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: down right close to us. I'll be down every way,

681
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: about two hundred pounds of piece. Wow. We were just

682
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: talking before we started recording that. The state record Arkansas

683
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: bear came from not far from right here. You know,

684
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: Chad's bear. I mean there's some there's some big bears

685
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 1: back in here, old bears. Oh yeah, yeah, there's one

686
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: had a young deer out uh on the neighbors up

687
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: here seen it. Uh, he's had it in his mouth.

688
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 1: Is that like a fawn? Dear? I'll be darn you.

689
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 1: Hear about black bear predation on fawns, but rarely do

690
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: you actually see it. I've never seen count of tubs

691
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:31,399
Speaker 1: and thy my boy, he went up here to check

692
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: on my cows and there's one up art eating out

693
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: of one of them tubs. Oh really yeah, yeah, they'll

694
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: they like that stuff. Yeah, yeah, uh, they're they're just

695
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: in New Zealand. Yeah, yeah they are. When was when

696
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 1: did you last hunt? Like when you has it been

697
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,839
Speaker 1: a few years since you've hunted? Aug? What a two

698
00:47:55,920 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: year ago? Two years ago? My last hunt was? I

699
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 1: didn't hunt anyway, I killed too deer. Okay, you got

700
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 1: some for the pot? Huh right? Yeah? Probably right here close?

701
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, put it on this or not. Well, hey,

702
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with killing the deer close to your

703
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: house there, Yeah, but I don't know where from? Where's that? Well?

704
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 1: That's good. It wasn't on the road, right right, it

705
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: wasn't on the road. Yeah, I'll tell you about it. Practice. Well,

706
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: you gotta get you gotta get some meat. You gotta

707
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: get some meat, well, handy, why why not? Yeah? And

708
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:47,839
Speaker 1: Ms Mary do you do you like cooking deer meat? Yeah?

709
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 1: Let me can. I I'd like to talk to you

710
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: for a minute on on this microphone. Do you have some?

711
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 1: Let me, uh, let me get you set up? Is

712
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 1: that okay? Yeah? Let me see here? Yeah, I just

713
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:06,919
Speaker 1: put that on. You should be able to hear just fine,

714
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: there we go, there you go. Can you hear me?

715
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: Can you hear me? Good? Yeah? Okay? So, so you

716
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 1: you like cooking dear meat. I love deer meat and

717
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 1: I love cooking it because we love dear meat. Yeah,

718
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 1: but now raw, I mean, like deer roast. It does

719
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: have a smell if when you're roasting it, you know,

720
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 1: but I learned that you could put green peppers or

721
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: onions something else with it, and when somebody walks in,

722
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: they'll smell that smell the pepper cooking, and it kind

723
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: of camouflage. Is this because that's the deer is cooked.

724
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: They don't have that. We never have had a dead

725
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: They had a real wild taste. I mean, we like,

726
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: we like it, you know. Ye what's your favorite way

727
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,240
Speaker 1: to cook dear meat? Well? I prefer a steak myself,

728
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: and he likes the hamburg. Of course, I'm getting more

729
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: to hamburg. Of course. You can make chili, meat loaf.

730
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: There's so many things you can make with ground maat

731
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: that you can't do with steak, but I like steak too.

732
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 1: How you cook your steak? I always beat it to

733
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: make it real, and then I dip it in flour

734
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: and then an egg and milk, egg with milk mixed

735
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:28,320
Speaker 1: in it, and then back in the flour. Okay, double battery,

736
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: and then fry it until it's crisp. And you know that.

737
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 1: And if it's a young deer, you can cook it

738
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: in about five minutes on each side. But you have

739
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 1: to really watch it because if it's it's not tender,

740
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: it's the toughest stuff. It'll be tough. I have cooked

741
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,320
Speaker 1: roasts before and it'd be too tevidents I can't eat it.

742
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: I just turned and put it back in my pressure

743
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: cooker and cook it a little longer and then it

744
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,919
Speaker 1: would get because I like meat to just might say

745
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 1: fall off the bone, and if it does, then it's tender.

746
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: How thick do you cut your steaks? He cut We

747
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: always cut her on well. We have had some dress

748
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: that out, but he usually because his own steak, and

749
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: I don't like it cooked cut about not more than

750
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: really a quarter of an inch thick, which isn't very thick.

751
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: But I like it because I want it tender, and

752
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 1: I get more steak if you cutting a lot of

753
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,320
Speaker 1: people like them ananch sick or something like that. But

754
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't because it's too tough. But I

755
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: beat it anyway because it makes it more tender. And

756
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: then and of course, if you take a piece of meat,

757
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 1: when you beat it, it makes it get a little bigger.

758
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: And you'd even take a chicken breast and do that.

759
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,800
Speaker 1: His daughter told me that secret. You take a chicken

760
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 1: breast and beat it, and they'll make it a lot bigger,

761
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: and it's thinner and it'll cook quicker. And so I,

762
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: if I've got time, I like to do that to

763
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: chicken breast, anything that you have, you beat it. It

764
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: will tenderize it. Now have you do you ever cook

765
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 1: in the other kind of wild game? Yeah? I have

766
00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:02,359
Speaker 1: kicked some bear meat before, and that is really wild tasting. Okay,

767
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,800
Speaker 1: you weren't too impressed with the bear meat, huh, And no,

768
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: I didn't care. And I'll tell you this because my

769
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 1: brother he did. He didn't know it. But if they

770
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 1: come up here, and he had a son that loved uh,

771
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: hog meat, and I fried hog meat. He had begged me.

772
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: He said ain't Mary please cook me and his daddy

773
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 1: to get onto him his mama too. I said that's fine.

774
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 1: I'd rather cook quary likes I'd cook. One day there

775
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: was coming, so I cooked some deer steak. I put

776
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:33,959
Speaker 1: it on one end of the platter, and I'll cook

777
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: some of this hog meat of what do you call this?

778
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,320
Speaker 1: The shoulder meat is fried meat. He loved it. I

779
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: cooked a lot of that, and I cooked some bear

780
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 1: meat and put down here. And of course they didn't

781
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,280
Speaker 1: know they had bear. And you know what, they cleaned

782
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: up first of all the bear, the bear, and they

783
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 1: still he took this day. Don't know that he ate

784
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 1: bear meat. He wouldn't believe me if I told him today.

785
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 1: This wasn't too long back. They killed a bear and

786
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 1: her son in law barbecued it. And I don't have

787
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,919
Speaker 1: to say that you wouldn't know it was bear meat

788
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,320
Speaker 1: if you wasn't told it was bared eat because with

789
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:16,320
Speaker 1: that barbecue sauce on it, it changed the taste entirely.

790
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 1: And we all stopped by after church one Sunday night

791
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:22,320
Speaker 1: and had sandwiches out of that barbecued bear meat, and

792
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: it was good. It was good, and we uh every Christmas.

793
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: My family, my mother's family, my dad's family, we get

794
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: together and we had a I had a one of

795
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 1: my cousins would take a deer and he had cooked

796
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:39,800
Speaker 1: just a young deer and put it on it like

797
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 1: a smoker and smoked the whole thing and bring that

798
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: to our dinner. It was good meat smoked. I wish

799
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: I had a smoker, but I probably burned it up

800
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 1: trying to smoke it. But it would be good. I mean,

801
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 1: smoked meat is really good, and dear meat would be

802
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 1: really good smoke if you, you know, knew the technique

803
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: you know for doing it, and a lot of people

804
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 1: make stear jerky out of it, you know. But I

805
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 1: may if he ever kills another one, I may try

806
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 1: just a little bit. I've got to want them dehydrators. Yeah. Now,

807
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 1: did you have a big garden, miss Mary? Were you

808
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:16,280
Speaker 1: the gardener? Remember last time I was here? You probably

809
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,959
Speaker 1: don't remember it, but you you were cooking sweet corn

810
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 1: and you sent me home with a cooked here a

811
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 1: sweet corn me and my daughter. I remember that you

812
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 1: had it in foil. You're cooking it somehow. But do

813
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: you do you have a garden out here? Usually? Yeah? Okay,

814
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 1: so you raise, you raise some corn, and we put

815
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 1: it well. In fact, we practically done the whole patch.

816
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 1: And one day because he didn't always ready, and he

817
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 1: went down there and said, I tell you this was Saturday,

818
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 1: wasn't it. And I said, you can't be telling me.

819
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 1: He said, well, it's ready, he said, I'm afraid it

820
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: won't keep till monday. I said, well, we'll just have

821
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 1: to stay up tonight and get it. Yeah, stay, you know,

822
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 1: cooked out. So we cooked it out and I lined

823
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 1: it out on my table to cool and left it

824
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: out all night with under fans for it to cool out.

825
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: And I got up rill or the next morning and

826
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 1: wrapped it all up in tin foils so we could

827
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 1: put it away. So if you cook it and then

828
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: freeze it and tinfoil, I cook it for five minutes.

829
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:22,399
Speaker 1: When it gets to a boil, I let my water

830
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 1: get to a ball and put the corn in. And

831
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: when it's boiling real good, I time it for five minutes.

832
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 1: I take it out, put it, run it through just

833
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 1: tap water to kind of chill it. And then I

834
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 1: put it in ice water and leave it till the

835
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 1: kind of chills down. Then I put it out to drain,

836
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 1: and then I just stack it out on the table

837
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 1: and let it lay until it gets cold enough that

838
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,760
Speaker 1: I know it's not you know, the cab, but because

839
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,720
Speaker 1: it'll be cold out here. But if you're not careful,

840
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: the cab but still be hot and that will spoil.

841
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: So you have to. So that's the reason I put

842
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 1: I put it on fans what we used to when

843
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 1: I had a coffee table in here. I put a

844
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: sheet on the coffee table. We'll turn the air conditioner

845
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:02,919
Speaker 1: on him, put the corner all on the table here,

846
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 1: and he'd cool out just fine. And then you so

847
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: then you'd freeze it and then you'd pulled out of

848
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 1: the freezer and just heat it up. Yeah, I'll just

849
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 1: take it out and put it back and just like

850
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: corn on the cob. Yeah, okay, so you didn't even

851
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 1: have to you have to cook it. He just kind

852
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 1: of had to heat it up. Had some last night

853
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 1: for supper. I'll be darn our grandson and our son

854
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 1: both if he comes in if he's not hungry, if

855
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:28,879
Speaker 1: you were not mention corn, because he said, if I'm

856
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 1: not hungry, I can eat corn, and he'll don't get

857
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 1: him a roast in here. If they don't name corn

858
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 1: because I don't need it. But you want to have

859
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 1: a roast in here. But everybody lives and we has

860
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,839
Speaker 1: a boy here. One time my daughter tell him said,

861
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 1: can you eat corn on the cob? Yeah? She got

862
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 1: an argument with him. She said, no, you can't eat

863
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,320
Speaker 1: corn car I know I can. I'll have Mama to

864
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 1: cook something. You're gonna show me you eat corn on

865
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,399
Speaker 1: the cob. He ate that corn? She said, you didn't

866
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 1: eat that corn on the cob. I did do it.

867
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 1: She said, you did not. You ate the corn off

868
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 1: that call. And oh he got so mad because he

869
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 1: saw she had him over a barrel, but he could

870
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 1: eat corn on the cob. I'm gonna remember that one,

871
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 1: Miss Mary. Do you have any good stories about Mr

872
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 1: Ory in his hunting or anything that he hadn't that

873
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: he hadn't said? Well, I remember not to embarrass him.

874
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 1: I remember one time we had two of the grandchildren

875
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 1: here and I got up early because he gets up

876
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 1: early if he goes hunting. And I got up early

877
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 1: and got him off hunting. And it wasn't in fact,

878
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 1: I don't think we did. We hadn't even got up yet.

879
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 1: Had he come in. He said, y'all's gotta get ready.

880
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 1: You've got to go help me. And I said, oh no,

881
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: he's got a deer. And so we took the four wheeler,

882
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 1: took the two grandkids, and down in the holler we went.

883
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 1: He just wanted us to find it, see it. And

884
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:52,439
Speaker 1: we got down there, and then we had to load

885
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: that on the fore wheel, and those grandkids had a blast.

886
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: They got to have Grandpa bring him in a deer.

887
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: And then we brought that deer up here, and I

888
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: remembered that was a really exciting time. And then we

889
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: had another grandson up here. He'd want to appear to

890
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: check his cows, and luckily he found a deer. So

891
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 1: he come home and said, y'all's gonna go help me.

892
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 1: Well I knew immediately what he had done. So we

893
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: took this little feller up there and we went up

894
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 1: in the woods. He wanted him to find that he's

895
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 1: kind of pointing it to me where it was at.

896
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: He wanted to see if he could find it. He

897
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 1: kept telling him, said ethan, look around, said that dear's

898
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: daughter be here somewhere. Of course, he knew all the

899
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 1: time where it was. And you ought to saw that

900
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 1: little Feller halping us drag that out. He was thought

901
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 1: he was really doing something. We put him in front

902
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 1: and me and him was behind kind of dragging it.

903
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 1: But he really was helping get that deer out here.

904
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 1: That's a lot of fun. Ms Ma, how how old

905
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 1: are you? Do you mind me asking you that I'm

906
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 1: seventy approaching Eightier will be next month. His daughter and

907
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 1: I have the same birthday, and my daughter, I'm twenty

908
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 1: years old older than his daughter. I'm thirty years older

909
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 1: than my daughter and my grandson. It's got married this year,

910
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 1: and we're expecting our first great grand baby from my

911
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: daughter's family this month, about the twenty nights, so I'm

912
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 1: just count today's down. So I'm really excited about that.

913
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 1: That'll make us nine great grandchildren, nine great grandchildren. Okay, um, okay.

914
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 1: We talked about your big bucks. We talked about your

915
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 1: bear story. We talked about growing up in the Ozarks,

916
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 1: talked about your first introductions to hunting. Um. You told

917
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 1: me about a little bit about your childhood. What would

918
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 1: you say, what are your most I mean, you you've

919
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 1: really never you've never known much than the life that

920
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 1: you've lived out here, and and the reason that I'm

921
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 1: here is because I don't think you probably didn't realize

922
00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 1: how unique it is the way that you have lived

923
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 1: in today's world. I mean, just like like you said,

924
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 1: there's thank you. Like you said, people don't live out

925
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,959
Speaker 1: here anymore. There used to be more people that lived

926
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 1: out here, and and most people end up migrating into

927
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 1: the city. What made you want to stay out here

928
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 1: and just keep the lifestyle that you have lived? Never

929
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 1: didn't go nowhere else? And one thing, I took care

930
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 1: of my mother here for twenty four years. Okay, so

931
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 1: she was up here. She was here with me twenty years,

932
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 1: and her home was right up here. She's raised and

933
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 1: she never hardly been nowhere else. Yeah. Yeah, So you

934
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 1: just you just never had a reason to leave, no

935
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 1: reason to leave, no reason to leave. I made living

936
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 1: here and no plans to leave now. No, No, you

937
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 1: does your boy that's right? Does your boy? Uh live

938
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 1: out here? Close? He lived Winslow, Okay, he lived. He's

939
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 1: a Patrin church out here a bit. Okay, he's pastor

940
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: of the church. Can you can you think of any

941
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 1: other unique stories about your life that you'd like to share? Well?

942
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, man, my brother was hunting one night, don't

943
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 1: treat and we went u up there, and he's tread

944
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 1: up under rock. We wouldn't build up a far and

945
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 1: smoked the coon out called in and here's dog wasn't there,

946
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 1: So we wondered where he was at. He then would

947
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 1: show up and so were about thirty or four minutes.

948
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 1: Why we're here embarking well on the top of the mountain,

949
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 1: and so we went up earned and uh so we

950
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 1: got We went up ear there's two coons up a tree,

951
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 1: and uh so we got both of them. Come back

952
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 1: old he'll come back down there and with come the

953
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 1: way he always step. And he looked down there. He said,

954
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 1: there's a light down yonder. I said, I wonder who

955
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 1: in the world that is. And I don't know what

956
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:19,920
Speaker 1: they're up to. So he he said, he said, you

957
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 1: stay right here and keep these coons and things. Said,

958
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 1: I'm going down there and see and throw you wait

959
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 1: down putty clothes. And I heard him talking, and he

960
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 1: he said, if you don't tell who you are, then

961
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 1: they would answer. You know, so if you don't tell

962
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:37,919
Speaker 1: who you are, I want to shoot your light out.

963
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 1: So correctly he took and he's shot in the water.

964
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 1: Is it right there. I'll be daring. I thought that

965
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:50,440
Speaker 1: was one. So he was, he would seeing the reflection

966
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 1: of his own light, no stars shining in it, the

967
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 1: stars shining down and man in the light. And hey

968
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 1: that's some that's some old school coon right there. Yeah.

969
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 1: Somebody won't tell you who they are, you're gonna shoot

970
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 1: their lot out. Yeah, you know, I guess back in

971
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 1: those days, I mean, you just didn't see people. I

972
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 1: mean it was probably really odd that you felt like

973
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:21,440
Speaker 1: you hardly you wouldn't write, like I said you, I

974
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 1: want to think about sitting this board down. There's hotter

975
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 1: here now. Are like they are? People like they are?

976
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 1: No way, yeah, way, no, Wow, that's a that's a

977
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 1: unique story. Yeah. Yeah, you want to talk about child

978
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 1: of being out now you better keep you eye on

979
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 1: them all the time. Yeah. Yeah, they're they're doing a

980
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:50,240
Speaker 1: way with him across the border. Never ye hundred job. Yeah,

981
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 1: we don't hear about it a lot, but they are. Yeah.

982
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 1: That was a good story, miss Mary. Can you think

983
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 1: of can you think of any other unique stories just

984
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 1: about your old life? Not even about hunting? Well after

985
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 1: a quick growing after quit sult melon, wow, I started

986
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 1: growing chickens and I grow chicken for forty three years.

987
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 1: It's right here. Yeah, yeah, yep, yep, yeah. I've never

988
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 1: moved off right here, stayed right here, yeah, forty three years.

989
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 1: Forty three years. I want you to I'd like to

990
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 1: see your old mule harnesses before I leave today. Well,

991
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 1: I got I got one horns up here. All I

992
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 1: got left? Yeah, some of it. I don't remember his

993
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:51,439
Speaker 1: twick right in the operational the operation of the deer

994
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 1: in the hay field. Oh yeah, yeah, mowing hay in

995
01:04:56,360 --> 01:05:01,439
Speaker 1: a cutter. Little deer's foot off and uh, I'll called

996
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 1: her to come and get it. No dipped, you know,

997
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 1: they never make it with a leg off right this

998
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:14,479
Speaker 1: baby that words, we're right now, we're were raising okay. Yeah,

999
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 1: So you had a pet deer for I had to

1000
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 1: two or three pet dear. Yeah, I had three d

1001
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 1: at different times. Yeah. Yeah, I had a buck capping

1002
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:30,480
Speaker 1: mirror about eleven years. M hm hm. How did you

1003
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:35,479
Speaker 1: get very big? They get big horns, big horns. Yeah,

1004
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 1: oh that's neat. You know, we had a pet deer too.

1005
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 1: Just just like three years ago it became illegal in

1006
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 1: Arkansas to have captive wild caught deer, but for years.

1007
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:51,680
Speaker 1: It was totally fine. Yeah, and I had we had

1008
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 1: three different deer that we raised that the kids, I

1009
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 1: mean their childhood is has memories of them having those

1010
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 1: deer that we raised, and that was really neat. But well, hey,

1011
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 1: we've been talking for an hour. That's good. That's about

1012
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 1: how long I wanted to talk with you. But my

1013
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 1: it's thank you for letting me come out here. We

1014
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 1: are you welcome. It's gonna be. I can tell you

1015
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 1: a lot of stories. Well, don't hold them back if

1016
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 1: you got one. But now, I there's not a lot

1017
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:28,440
Speaker 1: of people that that are still around that grew up

1018
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 1: and live the way that you did. And and uh

1019
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:34,440
Speaker 1: I knew you were a good hunter. Most shepherd is

1020
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:37,120
Speaker 1: the one that introduced me two years ago. And and

1021
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 1: uh I knew you were a good hunter and loved hunting.

1022
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 1: And that's that's what this podcast is about, is you know,

1023
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 1: we're this is a hunting podcast, and and uh so

1024
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 1: I always like to go here stories of of the

1025
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 1: way things used to work. And um, it's always really interesting,

1026
01:06:56,600 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 1: you know because today today we have more bare, more dear,

1027
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 1: more wildlife than we've had and recorded history really and

1028
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 1: it's pretty amazing. Because it's twenty nineteen. The modern world

1029
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 1: is exploding and population growth and and wild places are shrinking,

1030
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:19,959
Speaker 1: you know, as people move out and they're just making

1031
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 1: more room for more people. You know, there's less and

1032
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 1: less wild places. And uh that's what to me is

1033
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 1: so unique about the Ozarks is that we've got all

1034
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:34,040
Speaker 1: this national forest which will forever be in public hands

1035
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:37,040
Speaker 1: and not be or we at least we hope will

1036
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:41,200
Speaker 1: not be changed from just its native state like it

1037
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:45,680
Speaker 1: is right now. And uh, anyway, it's it's pretty neat

1038
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 1: that wildlife conservation has come as far as it has,

1039
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:52,000
Speaker 1: you know, even talking to you from the nineteen thirties

1040
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 1: and forties, when there weren't dear, there weren't bear, there

1041
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:58,040
Speaker 1: weren't wild turkeys. I mean, it was like that was

1042
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 1: kind of like a wildlife desert if you look at

1043
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 1: it in a just like it as a chunk of time.

1044
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 1: That was a tough time to be it, I mean

1045
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 1: for wildlife, tough time. And then now there's heck, there's deer.

1046
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 1: I'm surprised we didn't see a deer in your yard

1047
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:16,439
Speaker 1: and we pulled up. I mean there's a lot of

1048
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 1: game around. Oh yeah, uh way, back Yonder. I don't know. Well,

1049
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:29,639
Speaker 1: it's back in already thirties outsider before that, Uh, they

1050
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 1: had they had deer here. Okay, so there were some

1051
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:35,920
Speaker 1: you know, they were some here because I'm here. I

1052
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:41,240
Speaker 1: heard my mother talked about her her sister's husband killing deer. Okay,

1053
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:46,280
Speaker 1: way back yon her and by too. Okay. Yeah, but

1054
01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:49,120
Speaker 1: there wasn't buy like. They wasn't as man like thor now.

1055
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 1: But they were. There's a few run across. Yeah, of course.

1056
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:57,160
Speaker 1: Now they just lived on a little spots your and Yonder. Now.

1057
01:08:57,439 --> 01:08:59,599
Speaker 1: When I went to school a bit for here, they

1058
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 1: was the seven children. M Now it's consolidating, moved out.

1059
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:08,639
Speaker 1: Oh wow, so there were eighty seven kids back in there. Yeah,

1060
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 1: it was cool. There's probably not five kids that live

1061
01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 1: back here now, is there? Maybe more than that? They

1062
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:19,639
Speaker 1: don't even run the bus out here any more? Right, Wow,

1063
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 1: people just don't live here anymore, do they. Well, there's

1064
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:28,080
Speaker 1: something live out there. They quit raising children. Yeah, no families, Yeah,

1065
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:31,559
Speaker 1: everybody back then they had a good big families. Yeah,

1066
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:35,280
Speaker 1: but there's now you're you're closest, like where do you

1067
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 1: do You're shopping? You're you go into Fayetteville and west Fork, Yeah, February,

1068
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:46,320
Speaker 1: West Fork and mountain Burg. So you're about thirty forty minutes?

1069
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:50,320
Speaker 1: How far drive here to west Fork about forty minutes?

1070
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 1: About forty minutes. Of course they got a dollar tour

1071
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:57,599
Speaker 1: now win't low. Yeah, you can't get a few things there, huh.

1072
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:01,320
Speaker 1: And that Mount Mountain burk down you're two. Yeah, of course,

1073
01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:04,800
Speaker 1: my children they always school mountain bird when win school

1074
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 1: mountinburd No bananas a mountain bird. No. Well, hey, thanks

1075
01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:16,640
Speaker 1: so much for having us out here, and I'll just

1076
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:19,280
Speaker 1: close down the podcast. Closing comment. Do you have a

1077
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:22,320
Speaker 1: closing comment you want to say to all these hunters

1078
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:25,400
Speaker 1: that are listening to this, Mr ry Well, I like

1079
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:31,040
Speaker 1: like to see a hunter that is honest and won't

1080
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:38,080
Speaker 1: pilate the law. Mum, I bye bye, put it close.

1081
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:41,760
Speaker 1: I don't. I won't hardly ever kill a no dear, yeah,

1082
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:47,200
Speaker 1: because that's the population bur heard right right, don't. I

1083
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:49,679
Speaker 1: just don't do that, I know. I I don't hunt

1084
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:53,240
Speaker 1: on Sunday, Okay, I never. I just don't never hunt

1085
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:56,720
Speaker 1: a day in my life on Sunday. Yep. I was

1086
01:10:56,760 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 1: taught against you. Thanks for listening to the Bear Honeting

1087
01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 1: Magazine podcast and keep the wild places wild because that's

1088
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:08,360
Speaker 1: where the bears live. Yeah, we'll try to do that

1089
01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:10,880
Speaker 1: with the bar. I don't like to get around too

1090
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:14,760
Speaker 1: close to me. I never killed one, and keep them

1091
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:18,519
Speaker 1: thin down that never shot it one. Let me tell

1092
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 1: you this and for you he closed up. I was

1093
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 1: running here putting out a night trade. I got forty

1094
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:28,479
Speaker 1: ex back around heil here and uh are working gott.

1095
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:31,200
Speaker 1: I just got through putting a ton of nitrade out

1096
01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:36,680
Speaker 1: and scattering behind a tractor a seed sore, and uh

1097
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:40,799
Speaker 1: I was shaking the last three sacks out to pouring

1098
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 1: up spreader. And uh I looked down the lord side

1099
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:47,960
Speaker 1: of the field and I saw a big semitaw something

1100
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 1: down there. I thought it was one of my neighbors,

1101
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:56,120
Speaker 1: bulls semitall bull yeah, And I got looking at it now,

1102
01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 1: Oh it ain't either. And I got looking. There's a bar,

1103
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 1: a big old simthal barer. And I'll believe you the

1104
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 1: way six fifty or seven on the planter. While he

1105
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:10,080
Speaker 1: was a monster, and he stood away up this ceiling

1106
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:14,559
Speaker 1: here he was a bagon, but he sat there or stander,

1107
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,840
Speaker 1: you take that, Paul. I gotta wash and eating that

1108
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:21,679
Speaker 1: hop clover. I didn't know what to do that. Yeah, yeah,

1109
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:25,600
Speaker 1: but they do that. I'll be darn, but I was

1110
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:29,639
Speaker 1: sartain about forty yards of him. He big one, big

1111
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:34,479
Speaker 1: red colored cinnamon bear. Yeah, yeah, has ninety nine he

1112
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:36,760
Speaker 1: want I guess it would now he won't have wolves. Yeah,

1113
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 1: I'll be darn, but he he was a bagon. I

1114
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:42,960
Speaker 1: don't know anybody ever killed him or not. I just

1115
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:47,160
Speaker 1: don't know. They live about thirty years, you know. Yeah older. Yeah,

1116
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:50,280
Speaker 1: they can live a long time, a lot longer than

1117
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:54,400
Speaker 1: a deer. Yeah. I sure appreciate you coming down and

1118
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:58,519
Speaker 1: talk to him in my pleasure. Maybe somebody will get

1119
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:03,439
Speaker 1: a kick out of old free boys. I think they will, Yeah,

1120
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 1: I think they. Sweet check gree coming for to carry

1121
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 1: me home, Sweet low sweet check free, coming for to

1122
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:37,040
Speaker 1: carry me home. He looked over Jordan, and what did

1123
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:47,800
Speaker 1: I see coming for to carry me home? Then to

1124
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:57,639
Speaker 1: angel coming after me, coming for to carry me home,

1125
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:11,960
Speaker 1: Sweet low sweet checky hot, coming for to carry me home,

1126
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:25,400
Speaker 1: Sweet low sweet check, coming for to carry me home.

1127
01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:36,479
Speaker 1: If if you get there before I do, coming for

1128
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:46,640
Speaker 1: to carry me home. Cheer lo my friends so coming

1129
01:14:46,920 --> 01:15:00,280
Speaker 1: into coming for to carry me home, Sweet sweet each

1130
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:15,440
Speaker 1: Cheria coming for to carry me home. Sweet low sweet checkery,

1131
01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 1: coming for to carry me home, sweet low, sweet check

1132
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:38,439
Speaker 1: free A coming for to carry me home. Oh yeah,