WEBVTT - BREAKING: Suzanne Morphew Remains Found 0:00:05.920 --> 0:00:14.880 Crime Stories with Nancy Grace breaking now in the last hours, 0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:21.960 the remains of Suzanne more Few have been found. No question, 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:28.240 the remains are Suzanne more Few. I'm Nancy Grace. This 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:30.240 is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:34.000 at Fox Nation and SiriusXM one eleven. Listen. 0:00:34.320 --> 0:00:37.640 The Colorado Bureau of Investigation won't say the exact location 0:00:37.720 --> 0:00:40.680 where they found Suzanne's remains last Friday, only that it 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:43.560 is near Moffatt. You're looking at an aerial view of 0:00:43.640 --> 0:00:47.040 that part of Sawatch County. Investigators were on site for 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:50.760 a different case when they came across Suzanne's remains positively 0:00:50.840 --> 0:00:53.760 identified on Wednesday by the El Paso County corner of 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:54.400 the FBI. 0:00:54.480 --> 0:00:57.040 The CBI. You know, the Sheriff's Department has always the 0:00:57.040 --> 0:00:59.600 sheriff especially department has always said, you know, we need 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:01.560 her body to finish this case out. 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:03.680 You know, my thing is you've got her body, Let's 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:04.479 finish this case. 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:07.520 That's right, you've got her body. Let's finish this case. 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:10.479 You're hearing our forensic KUSA nine. Now take a list 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:11.520 to Fox thirty one. 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:14.800 It was certainly an emotional day here in Solida. Many 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:18.319 hoping this is the beginning of closure they've been waiting 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:21.080 for more than three years for now. We did just 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:23.880 receive a statement from the Morphew family. We'll get to 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:27.440 that momentarily, but first to those new developments from today. 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:31.120 According to the District Attorney's office, Morphu's body was found 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:34.840 near the town of Moffat by investigators who were working 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:38.760 on a completely different case than this one. Now, those 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:42.520 remains were not confirmed to be Morphew's until today. 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:42.760 Now. 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:46.120 Moffatt is in Suwach County, about forty miles south of 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:49.400 where Morphew was last seen here in Solida. People say 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:52.440 they're hoping this can help bring justice and closure. 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:58.200 This feels, at least like information that helps us know 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:01.720 that she is not continuing to thank her. I think 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:05.040 there was a lot of concern about whether or not 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:08.799 she was still suffering, and I think that that has 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:12.280 brought some relief to people now. 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:16.200 According to the husband, Barry Morphew and his family, they 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:20.120 say they expected her to walk into the door at 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:24.560 any moment, just walk through the door. My question would be, 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:31.000 were her assets moved into his name? Did he actually 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:34.560 vote for her while he was expecting her to walk 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:38.359 in the door at any minute. That and a lot 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:41.760 of unanswered questions remain on the table, but with me 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:43.400 an all star panel to make sense of what we know. 0:02:43.520 --> 0:02:45.800 Right now. For those of you just joining us, the 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:51.680 remains a missing mom, Suzanne Morphew, have been found and 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:56.640 they are absolutely her remains. First to Lauren Sharf, joining 0:02:56.720 --> 0:03:01.200 us on the scene with me in Colorado, looking as 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:05.119 best we could for clues, Lauren Sharf, tell me about 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:11.240 the discovery of Suzanne Morphy's remains. Where were the remains discovered? 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:14.160 They were found in a remote dry desert field of 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:19.200 sagebrush and natural grasses south of Moffatt, according to the 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:21.359 Swatch County Corner Tom Perrin. 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:23.880 Let me take in what you're just saying, Lauren. You 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:25.840 always give me so much information. I'm gonna take it 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:32.480 line by line, remote dry desert, a field about forty 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:35.680 miles from her home. Is that correct, Lauren Sharf? 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:38.760 Yeah, And it appeared that the remains had been buried 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:41.360 in a shallow grave before being scattered. 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:44.320 Okay, that's telling me a lot. I'm gonna come right 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:47.920 back to you, Lauren Sharff. But two renowned professor of 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:51.360 forensics at Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:54.680 Feet on Amazon, and star of a new hit series 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:57.720 Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan Joe Scott, thank you 0:03:57.760 --> 0:04:01.320 for being with us. Well, there you go. This was 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:05.080 not a suicide unless she fell into a shallow grave 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:08.480 and tried to cover her body up. So we know 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:13.440 that she was buried by another person. We know she 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:16.600 didn't bike there. Her bike was found not too far 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:19.240 from her home. So what did she do? Hitchhike? 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:21.479 You look at it, You look at this case, and 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:23.919 you think you know. The first key here is is 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:27.560 this word shallow. Nancy. In my experience, when you hear 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:30.920 the term shallow, that means rushed. That means something that's 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:34.160 not very well thought out. If you're trying to conceal 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:36.520 something and hide it, you're going to take your time, 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:40.760 almost excavate the area, if you will, to go as 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:44.039 deep as you possibly can. Because now not only do 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:48.800 they have shallow grave, but from what we're hearing, we're 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:52.920 also talking about scattered remains, which means that they were 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:57.040 easily accessed by any kind of carnivore or scavengers that 0:04:57.080 --> 0:05:00.120 are out there, and that creates a problem. But the 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:02.479 most important thing is that we have a day that 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:04.839 has arrived that I did not see coming. 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:09.760 Really, yes, because I always thought, I always believed that 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:13.560 we would find Susanne Morphew. I didn't know when. 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:17.720 No, ma'am, I this is this is dumb luck. I think, 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:22.720 as far as I'm concerned, if you're working on another. 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:26.000 Case, call it divine intervention. I would not call it. 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:28.880 He's still talking, isn't he? Wow? I thought you could 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:31.720 cut his mic? Can you now do that? Straight out 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:36.200 to Cheryl McCollum, joining US forensics expert, founder director of 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:39.000 Cold Case Research Institute. You can find her at Coldcasecrime 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:42.159 dot org and she is a star of a brand 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:45.400 new podcast and it's a hit in Zone seven. You know, 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:47.719 I want to talk to you about this case going cold, 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:49.800 but it's only been three years, and I don't know 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:52.800 that I would call that cold. That's something for you 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:55.159 and I to talk over over a game of checkers. 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:58.239 Let's talk about the facts right now, Cheryl McCollum, shallow 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:00.400 Grave and I like with Joe Scott Moore and just 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:05.640 said about it being in haste forty miles. And I 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:09.000 know that your computer brain is analyzing all of this 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:11.680 at the same time. M hmm, just because I cut 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:15.560 your mic Jo Scott Morgan doesn't mean you can't keep thinking. Think, Think, think, Think. 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:20.080 Forty miles away from her home, she didn't go by bike, 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:23.640 she didn't go by car. She's buried in a shallow 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:27.120 grave that was so shallow it was easy for animals 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:33.960 to get to her and tear her remains apart analysis. 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:38.080 Nancy, being there with you in that area gave me 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:42.279 so much information I wouldn't have known before. That ground 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:47.279 is hard, it is rough terrain. It would take hours, 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:50.440 half a day probably to you know, get a decent 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:54.279 grave going to completely cover somebody. This person did not 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:55.279 have time to do that. 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:59.039 Here's hold on, Hold on, Cheryl McCollum, I agree with 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:01.120 what you just said, and in a moment, I'm going to 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:04.760 go back to Joe Scott on this hold on hard ground. 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:08.560 Analyze that again. Remember just recently, you and I were 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:12.800 out on a legitimately cold, cold, cold, frozen case. Tried 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:16.840 to look with ground penetrating radar to see any anomalies 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:20.240 within the soil, and we did see anomalies within the soil. 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:27.600 That soil was very easily disturbed, not so where Susanne 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:30.720 Morphy's remains had been found analyzed, Cheryl. 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:36.000 It's filled with rocks and difficult terrain. I mean, you 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:38.920 couldn't hardly get a shovel in the ground, Nancy. And 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:41.480 we always knew the bike was staged. Now we have 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:44.760 proof she never went down that ravine. She was never there. 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:45.800 Was there any. 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:48.960 Real evidence she was on that bicycle. But here's what 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:53.960 I'm really wanting to know. The clothing found on that body. 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:57.040 Is it the clothing she was wearing for that last selfie? 0:07:57.640 --> 0:08:00.480 Or was she in pajamas? Because if you remember, Barry 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:05.200 said she was asleep when he left. So what clothing 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:08.080 is with the remains, This is going to tell you 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:12.800 whether or not it was that afternoon that she, you know, 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:16.320 went missing wearing those same clothes or pajamas. The other 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:20.040 thing is we're gonna know was she shot. Possibly there'll 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:23.720 be evidence stabbed, strangle, There'll be evidence was she bound 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:27.520 with anything like rope? Is any jewelry missing? But I'm 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:31.280 telling you the money tree is the clothes she has owned, 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:34.720 because that's going to tell you whether or not he 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:36.800 said something that was not true, or. 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:39.480 If she still had on that bikini she was wearing. 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:44.040 I mean yes, no, no, you didn't say that. You 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:47.760 said pjs. I'm saying her swimsuit. 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:50.959 Absolutely, the last selfie she was taken or in pajamas 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:52.640 because he said she was still asleep. 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:55.240 So if it was the. 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:57.559 Clothing that she had on in that last selfie, then 0:08:57.600 --> 0:08:58.880 that's going to give us some money. 0:08:58.920 --> 0:08:59.160 Tree. 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:02.720 We know he came in and busted up in there 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:06.959 when she was sitting outside in her swimsuit. We think 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:11.840 taking photos that she sent to a guy that she 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:15.760 had been dating. That's what we think may have happened. 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:19.240 Do we know that. No, but her clothing is going 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:28.400 to be very critical, and Cheryl McCollum is absolutely right. 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:45.160 Crime Stories with Nancy Grace unleash Joe Scott Morgan again, 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:49.800 uncut his mc Let's talk about what we just heard 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:53.720 from Cheryl McCollum. Very narrow question, Joe Scott Morgan, you're 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:57.360 the expert on this. Her remains have been scattered by 0:09:57.440 --> 0:10:01.880 animal activity, that's the euphemism for animals tearing her body apart. 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:07.760 That's what happened. Scattered by animal activity is just airbrushing. 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:12.040 What really happened to sus Ane Morphu's body. But given 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:15.400 that this is gonna be tough. Joe Scott Morgan. Can 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:19.360 they get a cod if she was stabbed or if 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:25.600 she was shot? Okay, Now I know asphyxiation of any 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:30.720 type strangulation, it's gonna be very hard to get that cod. 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:35.040 But what about stabbing and what about a gunshot? Joe 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:35.760 Scott Morgan. 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:38.959 Yeah, let's think about stabbing real quick. If if we're 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:40.800 talking about stabbing, one of the things that we're going 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:43.760 to be looking for, particularly as it applies to the 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:47.120 chest area and to the back as well, Nancy, you'll 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:49.920 get tool marks that may cross across the ribs and 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:51.240 if you look at it. 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:55.640 Fire hydrant, I'm drinking from the fire. Okay, tool marks 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:58.480 across the ribs. Slow down just a second. Let me 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:02.160 visualize what you're saying. Okay, go ahead, Yeah, let. 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:04.240 Me give you a good visual here. Think about the 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:08.040 letter V. Okay, think about the letter V and with 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:08.840 a tool mark. 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:12.080 Tool mark means for the knife hits hits the bone, 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:15.319 whatever the instrument is, hits the bone and leaves a mark. 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:18.719 Right like you are trying to open a jar and 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:22.400 it won't open, so you bam it on the kitchen 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:25.560 counter and whoops, you left a mark on the counter. 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:26.800 That's a tool mark. 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:28.240 Right, go ahead, that is a tool mark. 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:28.840 Yeah. 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:31.520 And so with if you're talking about an edged weapon, 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:35.199 and we're talking about stabbing here, okay, not a slashing, 0:11:35.320 --> 0:11:38.440 but a stabbing where it passes, say, for instance, between 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:41.600 the ribs, you'll look for this little V shaped mark 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:44.880 on the leading or the upper lower edge of the rib. 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:47.440 All right, that could be possible. But if you go 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:50.559 into purely soft tissue, say if you twist the blade 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:53.120 and turn it so that goes in between the ribs, 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:56.200 there's a lesser of a probability you're going to see 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:59.360 that also, right, Joe. 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:02.600 Scott, let's just pretend for the moment that we're talking 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:06.800 to with Jerry. Okay, okay, So you're saying, in regular 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:10.800 people talk, if the knife or a bullet even hit 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:14.520 her bone, it would leave a tool mark. But if 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:18.640 the knife or the bullet went, for instance, through the ribs, 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:22.400 it would not leave a mark on the bones. It 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:24.319 would not leave a tool Okay. 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:29.480 And you mentioned bullet wounds just a moment ago. A 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:32.719 gunfire again, you know one of the areas that you're 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:35.440 going to be looking for here in particular are flat 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:39.480 bones like the sternum for instance, maybe the scapula, and 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:43.800 certainly the skull. The problem with these kinds of cases 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:47.360 is that the body is broken up into various elements, 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:49.960 very tiny elements. As a matter of fact, I'm hearing 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:53.720 probably a seventy five yard radius in this particular case, 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:58.280 so they're going to be dispersed. Hey taken, Yes, ma'am. 0:12:58.320 --> 0:12:59.719 I don't want to interrup you're trying thought, but I 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:04.920 just want to give illustrations. Do you remember when Kelly Anthony, 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:07.520 two year old Kelly Anthony's body was found in that 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:11.160 swampy area about ten houses down from top mom Casey 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:14.440 Anthony's home. They worked through the night. They worked, I 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:16.560 don't know, maybe two nights in a row. They had 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:19.880 a tent out there with bright light shining down trying 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:23.920 to find all of that little baby's bones, including like 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:27.120 tiny pieces of her finger. What do we have two 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:30.000 hundred and six bones in the human bodies? Yes, ye, yeah, 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:34.800 and for instance the finger that each finger breaks into 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:36.840 three pieces, I mean. 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:43.359 Yeah. The rule of thumb in forensic anthropology and recovery 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:46.880 is the smaller the bone, the less of the probability 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:48.720 is that you're going to recover it, because I know 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:52.240 the word that is hanging in everybody's mind right now 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:55.640 is going to be hyoid. And hyoid is one of 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:59.960 the most difficult bones to recover on a skeletal recovery. 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:04.600 Okay, you're this is crazy. That's what I was actually thinking. 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:08.839 Can you find the hyoid because earlier I said Joe 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:14.720 Scott's going to be more difficult with her. She's obviously skeletonized. 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:19.520 There's no flesh left on her. Uh probably hair, yes, 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:23.800 but without flesh you won't be able to tell if 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:28.200 pressure has been exerted on her throat. Therefore, you would 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:30.880 look to the hyoid bone, which is so fragile. 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:35.240 Yes, it is fragile. And you know, I know your 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:38.120 listeners are so bright, and you've probably said this before, 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:43.000 but it bears repeating. It's the only bone in the 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:46.440 human body that's not connected to another bone. It's the 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:50.680 only unarticulated bone hanging there. Yeah, and it's the only 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:53.800 purpose is to hold the tongue in place, and so 0:14:53.960 --> 0:14:57.400 it's it's kind of free floating, if you will, particularly 0:14:57.440 --> 0:15:00.600 in a skeletal state like this. The the only other 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:03.280 thing I can really think of that we haven't covered 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:06.920 is probably blunt force trauma. You really need to skull 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:10.400 for that. If she has sustained some kind of depressed 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:13.160 skull fracture, or even a skull fracture that's not associated 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:15.440 with a gunshot wound, you might be able to pick 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:19.080 up on that and it would still be visible to 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:23.920 that degree. I have a hard time imagining that there 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:26.760 would be any soft tissue and to that degree any 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:30.680 hair left after three years, but that remains to be seen. 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:32.760 It will be fascinating to find out as we go along. 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:38.480 I'm very curious about so many things that you just said, 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:41.920 and I'm in agreement with everything you and Cheryl have 0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:45.080 brought out to Lauren Sharff joining me. You can find 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:51.200 her at Lauren Sharf TV, very well known journalist Lauren. Yes. No, 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:55.040 do we believe they found Suzanne's skull? 0:15:56.120 --> 0:15:57.560 Yeah? 0:15:58.080 --> 0:15:58.880 Why do you think that? 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:03.080 I believe that that's how they positively identified her from 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:04.040 her dentist records. 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:07.360 You're absolutely correct. Let's take a listen to our cut 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:09.000 one sixty KUSA. 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:12.280 It was an unrelated investigation that finally led deputies to 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:15.760 Suzanne Morphu's body in Sawach County tonight It's source familiar 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:18.480 with the investigation told my News they discovered skeletal remains 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:21.800 identified Suzanne based on dental records and her cancer port. 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:24.440 She disappeared from her home in Slida in twenty twenty. 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:28.000 Prosecutors eventually rested her husband, Barry Morphue, charged in with murder. 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:30.800 They dropped those charges last year, just nine days before 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:32.440 you said to go on trial. They said they wanted 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:34.800 to go to trial once they found Suzanne's body. 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:42.440 Of course, cases have been tried without a body. Take 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:44.640 a listen now, our cut a does his name Kelsey 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:46.240 Beareth ring a bell? 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:49.520 Frasey told him quote, I figured out a way to 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:52.880 kill her. No body, no crime. Right days after Kelsey 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:55.880 was reported missing, Frasey told More he didn't understand why 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:59.640 her disappearance was getting national attention. Moore also told the 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:02.600 court that Frasey said, man if I had known it 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:05.040 was going to blow up this big, I never would 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:06.639 have more, says Phrasey. 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:08.040 Never really finished that thought. 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:11.640 He also said, Phrasey never seemed concerned about Kelsey's disappearance. 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:14.800 You're hearing our friends at KUSA, And as a matter 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:19.280 of fact, that case was prosecuted successfully. Remember Kelsey bear 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:23.439 at the mom of one goes missing and of course 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:28.280 a name that everyone will recall, Kristen Smart take a listener. 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:32.159 Couldn't be as alleged that mister Flora has caused the 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:36.440 death of Kristen Smart while in the commission of or 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:40.919 attempted rape nobody. Homicides are obviously complicated and difficult, but 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:43.440 we don't make a decision to file unless we believe 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:46.240 we can prove the case. Now, we asked the DA 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:48.960 if he would seek out a plea deal or a 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:52.840 lighter sentence in exchange for information leading to Kristen's body, 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:55.520 but Dow says it's a little premature. 0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:59.680 At this time. Another case successful without a body. Those 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:01.959 were our friends at Kate s b Y, so it 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:07.679 can be done. Back to the reason, the identification of 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:13.080 Susanne Morphew's body Lauren Sharf is correct. The identification was 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:17.159 made through dental records, so we know that the skull 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:24.359 was recovered, but also her cancer port, which is heartbreaking 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:29.320 that this mom who had been valiantly fighting cancer a 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:34.560 recurrence of cancer was partially identified by her cancer port. 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:38.840 Tyson Draper joining me from the Tyson Draper Show on 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:45.440 TikTok Tyson Draper Show. Tyson, recall very distinctly when you 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:51.679 and I, Lauren, Cheryl McCollum, and others were tramping all 0:18:51.800 --> 0:18:57.120 across the Salida area looking for clues, looking for answers reaction. 0:18:57.680 --> 0:18:59.679 Well, the first thing I want to say, Nancy is 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:02.960 I am in total agreement with you on this being 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:07.200 divine intervention. And one of the highlights of that trip 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:09.919 of us, being all of us going up there to Colorado, 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:13.080 was when we formed a circle there and we all 0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:17.040 joined hands and you had me say a prayer, and 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:21.840 we prayed specifically that day that we would find the 0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:25.800 remains of Suzanne Morphew. And honestly, Nancy, as we were 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:28.399 standing there in that circle and you looked around in 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:32.080 this vast environment, we had mountains and trees and streams 0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:37.119 and everything. Honestly, it was like a needle in a haystack. 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:40.800 And honestly my hopes were really thin at that time, 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:43.479 but I knew that God was in charge. And what 0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:46.880 a wonderful, glorious day this is, you know. 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:53.119 Tyson, I know a lot of people don't understand that 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:58.199 what you said to us is so true. It is 0:19:58.720 --> 0:20:01.760 a wonderful and a glory you stayed because at that moment, 0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:05.240 when all of us were in a prayer circle, praying 0:20:05.240 --> 0:20:09.520 for justice, praying that somehow her body would be found 0:20:09.520 --> 0:20:14.240 because everything had failed up until that moment. You know, 0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:18.000 we looked around and you're right, it was so vast 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:23.600 all the places where her body could be, and tick talk, 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:28.119 tick talk, As every moment passed, it would be less 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:32.480 likely she would be found. But that day, I remember 0:20:32.560 --> 0:20:36.040 you asking, do you think they'll ever find her? I said, oh, yeah, 0:20:36.800 --> 0:20:40.399 they will find her. One day, they will find her. 0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:40.720 YEP. 0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:44.440 I thought it might be twenty twenty five years when 0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:47.040 hunters were out hunting somewhere and they come across a 0:20:47.119 --> 0:20:51.080 human bone. But I had no idea that it would 0:20:51.119 --> 0:20:56.399 be this soon. Joining me right now, high profile lawyer 0:20:56.560 --> 0:21:02.560 Eric Fattus, partner at Varner Fattus, elite legal, former felony prosecutor. 0:21:03.000 --> 0:21:05.760 You can find him at Warnerfattus dot com ps. I 0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:09.600 think your name should be first, Eric Fattus. Three years 0:21:09.720 --> 0:21:13.840 or twenty years, It does make a difference with every day, 0:21:13.920 --> 0:21:18.000 every minute that passes, And I've tried cases that are 0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:23.160 very old. Before you lose witnesses, people's memories fade that's 0:21:23.200 --> 0:21:27.000 why you got to write everything down, record every statement, 0:21:27.119 --> 0:21:30.520 every detail, every measurement, you name it. I remember one 0:21:30.560 --> 0:21:34.120 case I went to the scene, of course, Eric Fattus, 0:21:34.119 --> 0:21:36.359 it was a murder case. At that point, it was 0:21:36.400 --> 0:21:39.879 a suicide case. I was standing in the woman's room 0:21:40.280 --> 0:21:46.080 looking she was found dead, naked in her bed, ostensibly 0:21:46.160 --> 0:21:48.720 dead of a self inflicted gunshot. Would of course, I 0:21:48.760 --> 0:21:53.919 didn't believe that this lady killed herself, but naked in 0:21:54.040 --> 0:21:57.480 her bed. I did not believe that, just based on statistics. 0:21:57.760 --> 0:22:01.600 And I was watching the medical examiner, investigator's a whole 0:22:01.640 --> 0:22:06.080 different crew of investigators measuring how many inches away from 0:22:06.080 --> 0:22:10.120 the bed that spent shell was. And I was thinking, 0:22:11.280 --> 0:22:14.440 why why do they want to know that? Well, obviously 0:22:14.560 --> 0:22:18.639 because every detail matters, and it did matter, and by 0:22:18.720 --> 0:22:22.080 the way, she was murdered and it was proven at trial, 0:22:22.400 --> 0:22:27.240 Eric Fattis, three years seems like a long time, but 0:22:27.320 --> 0:22:30.080 in the world of criminal prosecution, it's not a long time. 0:22:30.280 --> 0:22:32.160 A conviction can be had. 0:22:32.359 --> 0:22:33.320 Oh heck, absolutely. 0:22:33.320 --> 0:22:35.800 But you know there are cases that are decades. 0:22:35.359 --> 0:22:38.440 Old that go to trial and in secure a conviction. Here, 0:22:38.480 --> 0:22:42.280 we're worth three years out and it's problematic for some reasons, 0:22:42.320 --> 0:22:44.480 you know, evidence of rhodes would we don't have the 0:22:44.560 --> 0:22:46.520 tissue to test to see if there is any sort 0:22:46.520 --> 0:22:50.560 of tranquilizer material as has been alleged against very Multy beforehand. 0:22:50.920 --> 0:22:54.520 But this is still a critical, critical piece of this prosecution. 0:22:54.960 --> 0:22:55.640 It was really the. 0:22:55.680 --> 0:23:00.000 Reason that law enforcement dismissed beforehand. Now that they've gone, 0:23:00.400 --> 0:23:03.040 I think it's without question they're going to refile this to. 0:23:05.000 --> 0:23:07.359 Wow, that was a mouthful, Eric Patterson. I mean that 0:23:07.400 --> 0:23:10.040 in a good way, A lot of information. 0:23:10.359 --> 0:23:11.639 Hey Nancy, can I jump back? 0:23:13.119 --> 0:23:14.480 Oh? Could I stop you? 0:23:14.600 --> 0:23:14.760 Well? 0:23:14.840 --> 0:23:17.760 You paint this picture too for people when you're looking at. 0:23:17.840 --> 0:23:22.280 Ua, Everybody get comfortable. She's gonna paint a picture. There's 0:23:22.280 --> 0:23:24.199 gonna be a lot of brushstrokes. Go ahead. 0:23:24.520 --> 0:23:27.520 Was this a stranger or somebody that knew her? When 0:23:27.520 --> 0:23:31.000 you look at the amount of time this person spent, 0:23:31.680 --> 0:23:35.960 this killer went to her home, got her by her bicycle, 0:23:36.000 --> 0:23:39.800 got her helmet, put the bicycle in one place, drove 0:23:39.880 --> 0:23:43.520 her helmet to another place, drove her body to another place, 0:23:43.640 --> 0:23:46.520 attempted to bury her, then attempted to get rid of 0:23:46.560 --> 0:23:50.680 whatever instruments and tools that he used for that purpose. 0:23:51.080 --> 0:23:53.679 Does that sound like a stranger would go to that 0:23:53.840 --> 0:23:54.520