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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace breaking now in the last hours,

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Speaker 1: the remains of Suzanne more Few have been found. No question,

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Speaker 1: the remains are Suzanne more Few. I'm Nancy Grace. This

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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here

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Speaker 1: at Fox Nation and SiriusXM one eleven. Listen.

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Speaker 2: The Colorado Bureau of Investigation won't say the exact location

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Speaker 2: where they found Suzanne's remains last Friday, only that it

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Speaker 2: is near Moffatt. You're looking at an aerial view of

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Speaker 2: that part of Sawatch County. Investigators were on site for

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Speaker 2: a different case when they came across Suzanne's remains positively

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Speaker 2: identified on Wednesday by the El Paso County corner of

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Speaker 2: the FBI.

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Speaker 1: The CBI. You know, the Sheriff's Department has always the

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Speaker 1: sheriff especially department has always said, you know, we need

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Speaker 1: her body to finish this case out.

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Speaker 3: You know, my thing is you've got her body, Let's

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Speaker 3: finish this case.

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Speaker 1: That's right, you've got her body. Let's finish this case.

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Speaker 1: You're hearing our forensic KUSA nine. Now take a list

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Speaker 1: to Fox thirty one.

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Speaker 4: It was certainly an emotional day here in Solida. Many

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Speaker 4: hoping this is the beginning of closure they've been waiting

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Speaker 4: for more than three years for now. We did just

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Speaker 4: receive a statement from the Morphew family. We'll get to

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Speaker 4: that momentarily, but first to those new developments from today.

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Speaker 4: According to the District Attorney's office, Morphu's body was found

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Speaker 4: near the town of Moffat by investigators who were working

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Speaker 4: on a completely different case than this one. Now, those

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Speaker 4: remains were not confirmed to be Morphew's until today.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 4: Moffatt is in Suwach County, about forty miles south of

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Speaker 4: where Morphew was last seen here in Solida. People say

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Speaker 4: they're hoping this can help bring justice and closure.

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Speaker 6: This feels, at least like information that helps us know

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Speaker 6: that she is not continuing to thank her. I think

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Speaker 6: there was a lot of concern about whether or not

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Speaker 1: According to the husband, Barry Morphew and his family, they

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Speaker 1: say they expected her to walk into the door at

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Speaker 1: any moment, just walk through the door. My question would be,

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Speaker 1: were her assets moved into his name? Did he actually

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Speaker 1: vote for her while he was expecting her to walk

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Speaker 1: in the door at any minute. That and a lot

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Speaker 1: of unanswered questions remain on the table, but with me

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Speaker 1: an all star panel to make sense of what we know.

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Speaker 1: Right now. For those of you just joining us, the

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Speaker 1: remains a missing mom, Suzanne Morphew, have been found and

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Speaker 1: they are absolutely her remains. First to Lauren Sharf, joining

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Speaker 1: us on the scene with me in Colorado, looking as

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Speaker 1: best we could for clues, Lauren Sharf, tell me about

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Speaker 1: the discovery of Suzanne Morphy's remains. Where were the remains discovered?

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Speaker 7: They were found in a remote dry desert field of

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Speaker 7: sagebrush and natural grasses south of Moffatt, according to the

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Speaker 7: Swatch County Corner Tom Perrin.

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Speaker 1: Let me take in what you're just saying, Lauren. You

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Speaker 1: always give me so much information. I'm gonna take it

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Speaker 1: line by line, remote dry desert, a field about forty

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Speaker 7: Yeah, And it appeared that the remains had been buried

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Speaker 7: in a shallow grave before being scattered.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's telling me a lot. I'm gonna come right

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Speaker 1: back to you, Lauren Sharff. But two renowned professor of

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Speaker 1: forensics at Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My

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Speaker 1: Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan Joe Scott, thank you

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Speaker 1: for being with us. Well, there you go. This was

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Speaker 1: not a suicide unless she fell into a shallow grave

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Speaker 5: You look at it, You look at this case, and

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Speaker 5: you think you know. The first key here is is

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Speaker 5: this word shallow. Nancy. In my experience, when you hear

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Speaker 5: the term shallow, that means rushed. That means something that's

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Speaker 5: most important thing is that we have a day that

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Speaker 1: Really, yes, because I always thought, I always believed that

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Speaker 5: No, ma'am, I this is this is dumb luck. I think,

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Speaker 5: as far as I'm concerned, if you're working on another.

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Speaker 1: Case, call it divine intervention. I would not call it.

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Speaker 1: He's still talking, isn't he? Wow? I thought you could

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Speaker 1: cut his mic? Can you now do that? Straight out

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Speaker 1: to Cheryl McCollum, joining US forensics expert, founder director of

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Speaker 1: Cold Case Research Institute. You can find her at Coldcasecrime

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Speaker 1: dot org and she is a star of a brand

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Speaker 1: new podcast and it's a hit in Zone seven. You know,

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Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about this case going cold,

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Speaker 1: but it's only been three years, and I don't know

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Speaker 1: and I to talk over over a game of checkers.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the facts right now, Cheryl McCollum, shallow

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Speaker 1: Grave and I like with Joe Scott Moore and just

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Speaker 1: said about it being in haste forty miles. And I

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Speaker 1: know that your computer brain is analyzing all of this

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Speaker 1: at the same time. M hmm, just because I cut

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Speaker 1: your mic Jo Scott Morgan doesn't mean you can't keep thinking. Think, Think, think, Think.

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Speaker 1: Forty miles away from her home, she didn't go by bike,

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Speaker 1: she didn't go by car. She's buried in a shallow

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Speaker 8: Nancy, being there with you in that area gave me

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Speaker 8: so much information I wouldn't have known before. That ground

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Speaker 1: Here's hold on, Hold on, Cheryl McCollum, I agree with

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Speaker 1: go back to Joe Scott on this hold on hard ground.

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Speaker 1: Analyze that again. Remember just recently, you and I were

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Speaker 1: out on a legitimately cold, cold, cold, frozen case. Tried

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Speaker 1: That soil was very easily disturbed, not so where Susanne

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Speaker 1: Morphy's remains had been found analyzed, Cheryl.

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Speaker 8: It's filled with rocks and difficult terrain. I mean, you

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Speaker 8: we always knew the bike was staged. Now we have

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Speaker 8: proof she never went down that ravine. She was never there.

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Speaker 8: Real evidence she was on that bicycle. But here's what

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Speaker 8: I'm really wanting to know. The clothing found on that body.

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Speaker 8: Is it the clothing she was wearing for that last selfie?

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Speaker 8: Or was she in pajamas? Because if you remember, Barry

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Speaker 8: thing is we're gonna know was she shot. Possibly there'll

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Speaker 8: be evidence stabbed, strangle, There'll be evidence was she bound

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Speaker 8: telling you the money tree is the clothes she has owned,

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Speaker 8: because that's going to tell you whether or not he

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Speaker 1: If she still had on that bikini she was wearing.

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Speaker 8: Clothing that she had on in that last selfie, then

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Speaker 1: We know he came in and busted up in there

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Speaker 1: taking photos that she sent to a guy that she

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Speaker 1: Do we know that. No, but her clothing is going

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Speaker 1: to be very critical, and Cheryl McCollum is absolutely right.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace unleash Joe Scott Morgan again,

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Speaker 1: uncut his mc Let's talk about what we just heard

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Speaker 1: from Cheryl McCollum. Very narrow question, Joe Scott Morgan, you're

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Speaker 1: the expert on this. Her remains have been scattered by

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Speaker 1: animal activity, that's the euphemism for animals tearing her body apart.

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Speaker 1: That's what happened. Scattered by animal activity is just airbrushing.

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Speaker 1: What really happened to sus Ane Morphu's body. But given

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Speaker 1: she was shot? Okay, Now I know asphyxiation of any

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Speaker 5: Yeah, let's think about stabbing real quick. If if we're

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Speaker 1: Tool mark means for the knife hits hits the bone,

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Speaker 1: That's a tool mark.

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Speaker 5: Right, go ahead, that is a tool mark.

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Speaker 5: that also, right, Joe.

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Speaker 1: I'm very curious about so many things that you just said,

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Speaker 1: At this time. Another case successful without a body. Those

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Speaker 1: TikTok Tyson Draper Show. Tyson, recall very distinctly when you

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Speaker 9: Well, the first thing I want to say, Nancy is

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Speaker 1: Tyson, I know a lot of people don't understand that

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Speaker 1: you asking, do you think they'll ever find her? I said, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 5: YEP.

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Speaker 1: I thought it might be twenty twenty five years when

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Speaker 1: be this soon. Joining me right now, high profile lawyer

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Speaker 1: Eric Fattus, partner at Varner Fattus, elite legal, former felony prosecutor.

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Speaker 1: You can find him at Warnerfattus dot com ps. I

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Speaker 1: think your name should be first, Eric Fattus. Three years

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Speaker 10: Oh heck, absolutely.

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Speaker 9: But you know there are cases that are decades.

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Speaker 11: Old that go to trial and in secure a conviction. Here,

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Speaker 1: Wow, that was a mouthful, Eric Patterson. I mean that

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Speaker 8: Hey Nancy, can I jump back?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Could I stop you?

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 8: You paint this picture too for people when you're looking at.

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Speaker 8: Was this a stranger or somebody that knew her? When

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Speaker 1: Oh h a double l n oh. Lady Karen Stark

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Speaker 1: joining me, renowned psychologists out of Manhattan, TV radio Trauma

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Speaker 1: expert consultant at Karenstark dot com. That's Karen with a C.

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Speaker 1: If you're trying to look her up, Karen Stark, she's

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Speaker 1: so right on. He jumped ahead of me, Cheryl McCollum.

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Speaker 1: But you're right. Everybody on this panel, jump in. We

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Speaker 1: Karen Stark. I have investigated and prosecuted so many cases where,

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Speaker 15: Well, shallow was brilliant because it's true that somebody who

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Speaker 15: me just get rid of this as quickly as I

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Speaker 15: can and get out of here.

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Speaker 7: I am to make sure that it was actually Suzanne's

434
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,880
Speaker 7: bike and her helmet that they grabbed. Repeat, making sure

435
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Speaker 7: that they grabbed the right bike as far as Suzanne's

436
00:25:58,960 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 7: bike and her home.

437
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Speaker 15: Hi, how would they know right?

438
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Speaker 1: How many bikes were there? Lauren Sharf or Tyson Draper?

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Speaker 9: Well, it's a great guestion. Well let me I'll just

440
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Speaker 9: I want to remind everybody too, Nancy that this was

441
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 9: a Sunday morning. This was this was Mother's Day, so

442
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 9: you know Sundays are generally really quiet as well. And

443
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Speaker 9: the population of Maysville, Colorado is one hundred and sixty

444
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 9: seven people. So we're not talking about some metropolitan area

445
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,439
Speaker 9: that has tons and tons of people and tons of crime.

446
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 9: This is a very isolated area. So you got to

447
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 9: take all that into consideration as well.

448
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,880
Speaker 7: I mean, it just and it was COVID.

449
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, a lot of people were home.

450
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Speaker 1: You are both exactly correct. Now you said it was

451
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 1: Sunday morning. How do I know she wasn't killed Saturday night,

452
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: Tyson Draper?

453
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Speaker 9: Well, I mean, I'm sure she was. We have a

454
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Speaker 9: window of opportunity there that we've talked about now for years,

455
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Speaker 9: and you know, it's just now. You know, when we

456
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Speaker 9: were in LMA Entry School, we used to always do

457
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 9: the connecting the dots, you know, and that's kind of

458
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Speaker 9: what we've been doing the.

459
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Speaker 10: Last three and a half years.

460
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Speaker 9: And now we got this huge, you know, this huge

461
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 9: piece of the puzzle here where we can start connecting

462
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 9: these dots. And it's looking like we were right on

463
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 9: track all along.

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Speaker 1: Mike Hatzell joining me, you know his name, I'm sure

465
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: you legal legals out there, President founder of Peace River

466
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Speaker 1: K nine Search and Rescue online. You can find him

467
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Speaker 1: at pr SAAR Peace Rever Search and Rescue dot org. Mike,

468
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: how often do you find a body that's been in

469
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: a shallow grave?

470
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Speaker 10: Well, we find quite a few of them. And actually

471
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 10: we should be thankful that he buried her because that

472
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 10: preserved her for quite a while before the critters were

473
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 10: able to get to her and scatter her remain So

474
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 10: if they hadn't, the desert eats things up pretty quickly,

475
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Speaker 10: so we would not have the success if it hadn't

476
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 10: been for the guy burying her, whoever that was.

477
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Speaker 1: So in the desert, there's rapid decomposure. And I'm going

478
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Speaker 1: to go to you, Joe Scott, on why. But I

479
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: want to point out to everybody, no one has been

480
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Speaker 1: charged since, of course the charges were dropped against her

481
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 1: husband bearing more few some time ago. No one is

482
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: currently named a pay person of interest. Nobody has been arrested.

483
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: Just want to put that out there. Nobody yet. Okay,

484
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, I want to follow up on what Mike

485
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Speaker 1: Hatzel just said it and he's completely correct. I want

486
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Speaker 1: you to hit me on how rapidly a body would

487
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: decompose in the desert. Burying her in a shallow grave.

488
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Speaker 1: Would that have slowed down the decomposure process. I have

489
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Speaker 1: another question for you too about the staging. This is

490
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Speaker 1: at least a secondary crime scene, not where she was killed,

491
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: I don't believe anyway. And if the animals had torn

492
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Speaker 1: her body apart, would they have torn apart her clothing

493
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Speaker 1: as well? But when you expect to find her clothing

494
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Speaker 1: within that seventy five yard radius.

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Speaker 5: Yes, you do. It's that that happens quite a bit.

496
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Speaker 5: And what's going to be really fascinating from a forensic standpoint, Nancy,

497
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Speaker 5: when you talk about the breakdown of any kind of items,

498
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Speaker 5: whether it's a body or clothing. You know, if she's

499
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 5: going out for bike ride, commonly many people wear things

500
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 5: that are synthetics, right, and synthetics can be more resilient

501
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 5: many times in natural fibers, So it's possible that you can,

502
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 5: you know, locate those and the disbursement pattern that you're

503
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 5: talking about with the remains. One of the things that

504
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 5: also happens is that if you have small burrowing animals

505
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 5: that you know exist in this area, they'll actually take

506
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Speaker 5: some of those items into their burrows. So there are

507
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 5: times when you can go back and find even other

508
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 5: things after the initial search of that area when you're

509
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 5: going out and actually doing an excavation of the area.

510
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 5: From a forensic anthropology standpoint, now, as to preservation, it's

511
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 5: good and bad. In more arid climates, sometimes soft tissue

512
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 5: will last a bit longer than it would say, down

513
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 5: here in the South, certainly where I trained down in

514
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 5: South Louisiana would However, the environment is very harsh, harsh hot.

515
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 5: It is hot out there. You know, you don't deal

516
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 5: with a lot of relative humidity. Many times depended upon

517
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 5: the scavenger activity, those bits of soft tissue will go

518
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 5: pretty quickly if they're not protected and being in a grave.

519
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 5: I have to say that Mike is right on target

520
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 5: here as opposed to just laying a body out on

521
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 5: the ground, you have some level of protection. However, there

522
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Speaker 5: would have been more protection if in fact you maybe

523
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Speaker 5: maybe had gone deeper. I think, and I'll leave it

524
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Speaker 5: at this one thing. I'd be fascinated to know Nancy,

525
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 5: is the body shrouded in any way, because you know

526
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Speaker 5: a lot of these cases we cover, where we have

527
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 5: these clandestine graves, bodies will be wrapped in a plastic

528
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 5: I've had shower curtains, trash bags, all these sorts of things,

529
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Speaker 5: and that just further cocoons the body, and sometimes the

530
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 5: critters will dig down into that area, rip the bags open,

531
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Speaker 5: and get to the remain that is in there. That's

532
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 5: going to be important to see if they recover any

533
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 5: kind of plastic that's out on the scene, or anything

534
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Speaker 5: even a cloth shroud that may have been used.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, I haven't heard anything, Lauren

536
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: Shark about her body being wrapped or in any sort

537
00:31:54,840 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: of a container. Example, JJ and Tyley, the victim of

538
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: calt mom Laurie Vallei and her husband Chad Dave Bell.

539
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: According to police, JJ's body was basically hermetically sealed, not

540
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Speaker 1: so for Tyley. Any word on that that you've heard,

541
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Speaker 1: Lauren Sharf or Tyson Draper.

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Speaker 7: I haven't, Nancy, I have not heard anything.

543
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: No, I haven't either. I think that would have somehow

544
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: leaked out if she had been wrapped in a tarp

545
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: or any other such enclosure. I understand, Lauren Sharp, you've

546
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: spoken to her Sister's that truth I have.

547
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 7: What did you learn when she first told me? You know,

548
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 7: we both I was speechless, you know, she told me

549
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 7: it was just we were both just overwhelmed with emotion.

550
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 7: You know, the waterworks started and you know you're happy,

551
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 7: but then also sad because then it brings up you

552
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 7: know so much and it just it starts over for

553
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Speaker 7: the family. I mean, I think one of the last

554
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 7: press conferences the Barry Morphy's attorney gave was saying that

555
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 7: the very and the daughters were just now kind of

556
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 7: getting back to normal, and so I can't imagine what

557
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 7: they're going through now.

558
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Speaker 1: Why was a search crew in that area? Takelos Naur

559
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Speaker 1: Cut one seven to three from CBS.

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Speaker 16: They told us they weren't even actually looking for Suzanne

561
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Speaker 16: when they found her body out there. They're looking for

562
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 16: something completely different. But results from the Olpaso County Coroner's

563
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Speaker 16: Office did come back positive today. They said that it

564
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Speaker 16: is Suzanne's body. CBI is not saying a specific location

565
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Speaker 16: of where they found her or what condition her body

566
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Speaker 16: was in.

567
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Speaker 3: CBI says investigators were searching near Moffitt for an unrelated

568
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 3: investigation when they found those remains. That's northwest of the

569
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Speaker 3: Great Sand Dunes. They have not said how she died,

570
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 3: or released a cause of death, or really any other

571
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Speaker 3: information about her. At this point, CBI says it has

572
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 3: not made any arrests, but it's just the latest development

573
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Speaker 3: in a very complicated case.

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Speaker 1: Northwest of the Great Sand Dunes. Okay, to you, Tyson Draper,

575
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Speaker 1: where's that? What does that mean?

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Speaker 9: Well, what that means is just just on the outskirts

577
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 9: of Salida. It's just it's where somebody would you know,

578
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Speaker 9: drive and looking for a spot to go dump a body.

579
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 9: It's very mountainous, it's very you know a lot of prairies,

580
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 9: it's very isolated. So if something happened in Maysville or Salida,

581
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 9: as we know it did, it would be the first

582
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Speaker 9: place that somebody is trying to get outside of that area,

583
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 9: you know, on the outskirts to hide a body. So

584
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Speaker 9: it's not very far from Salida. It's just kind of

585
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 9: over the mountain over the past there a little bit

586
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Speaker 9: and it's just a small little town, Moffitt, that little

587
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 9: area right there, you know, as you're heading back down

588
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,280
Speaker 9: towards Alamosa.

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Speaker 1: Guys, I'm very curious to figure out how Barry Morphew

590
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Speaker 1: is responding. Take a listen to our cut one seventy

591
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Speaker 1: Fox thirty one.

592
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 4: The more Few family releasing a statement through their attorney

593
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 4: just moments ago, saying, in part, Barry is with his daughters,

594
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Speaker 4: and they are all struggling with immense shock and grief

595
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 4: after learning today that their mother and wife, whom they

596
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 4: deeply love, was found deceased. They had faith that their

597
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 4: wife and mom would walk back into their lives again.

598
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 4: The news is heartbreaking. They go on to say, neither

599
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Speaker 4: the DA nor the authorities notified Mallory and Macy Moorephew,

600
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Speaker 4: those are the daughters about the recovery of their mom.

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Speaker 1: So they believed that she would walk back into their

602
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: lives again. Tyson Draper questioned to you, maybe I'm wrong.

603
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 1: Did Barry Morphew move I'm pretty sure he very quickly

604
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: sold the home that they shared together. Did he move

605
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: all of her assets into his name?

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00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 9: Yes?

607
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 11: Yeah?

608
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 9: And that you know that statement that you made again

609
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 9: there and you made it at the top of the

610
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 9: hour two here is is that Barry and the family,

611
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Speaker 9: you know, we're kind of like Motel six, like you,

612
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 9: We're going to leave the light on for you, you know,

613
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 9: wait for Susanne to return. But Mike, you know what

614
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 9: I've viewed is that that wasn't the case at all.

615
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 9: Barry was in a hurry to sell all the assets,

616
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Speaker 9: to sell the home, to sell her cars, to sell everything.

617
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 9: And then not only that, but he got as we

618
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,919
Speaker 9: all know, he got a girlfriend shortly thereafter as well.

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Speaker 9: So if they're expecting Suzanne Murphy to come walking through

620
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Speaker 9: that door, why did all of this happen? Why we

621
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 9: very actions don't line up with his words here.

622
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Speaker 7: And remember that less than a month after Suzanne went missing,

623
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Speaker 7: he filed for guardianship, which really rubbed her family the

624
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 7: wrong way because they believed she was just missing.

625
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: Guardianship exploring guardianship of Suzanne, so for her assets, for you.

626
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 7: Know, selling the home in Indiana that they had left

627
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 7: so that they could get the money from the sale.

628
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: So this is for a person that believes his wife

629
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Speaker 1: is going to walk right back through the door. Does

630
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: anybody remember Scott Peterson? And again, Barry Morphew has not

631
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,720
Speaker 1: been recharged, he's not been named a person of interest,

632
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: he's not been arrested, nothing like that, Karen Start, Do

633
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: you remember that immediately when Lacey went missing, he let's say,

634
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 1: sold her vehicle, He immediately ordered the porn channel, all

635
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:46,720
Speaker 1: sorts of expenditures and actions he would never have taken

636
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Speaker 1: if he really thought she was about to walk back

637
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Speaker 1: through the door.

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Speaker 15: That's why he was so unbelievable and unsympathetic Manson, because

639
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 15: he absolutely went and started his life again and acted

640
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 15: very clear as though he didn't expect her to come back.

641
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 15: So when I think about children, they would keep wondering

642
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 15: and hoping and thinking that their mind would come back

643
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Speaker 15: and it would be much better for them to know

644
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,919
Speaker 15: that she was found and have closure. But I don't

645
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 15: get that he felt that way at all, because that

646
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,240
Speaker 15: is not how he proceeded with his life right away.

647
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Speaker 15: A month, that's no time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, question on that, Tyson Draper. How quickly did the

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Speaker 1: girlfriend emerge?

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Speaker 9: Oh, it was shortly after Susan went missing. I would

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Speaker 9: say with Anny, what do you.

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Speaker 1: Mean shortly a week, two weeks, a month, a year, I.

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Speaker 9: Would say a couple, couple of months, maybe a month

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Speaker 9: and a half somewhere around there.

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Speaker 1: Eric fattis high profile lawyer joining US former prosecutor. That's

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Speaker 1: never a good look.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, No, I mean, that's that's surely problematic. And you

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Speaker 11: know one thing that's going to come up to there.

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Speaker 11: He's been talking about the media about this case. Even

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Speaker 11: since it began. And so the jury, if he is recharge,

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Speaker 11: which he hasn't been yet, is going to hear about

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Speaker 11: all of these inconsistent statements and how they don't really

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Speaker 11: align with Susan's body being found. So I think it's

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Speaker 11: really a tremendous development of the case.

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Speaker 9: Legally, I think a.

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Speaker 1: Lot's going to write on whether we can find out

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Speaker 1: what clothing, if any, she had on at the time

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Speaker 1: her body was disposed in that desert area near the

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Speaker 1: Great Dunes. For right now, let's just take the miracle

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Speaker 1: that's dropped in her lapse. Susanne Morphew has been found.

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Speaker 1: Now let's seek justice. Goodbye friend,