WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: The death of Morgan Ingram 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:04.400 Thinking Sideways is not supported by Netscape Navigator. Instead, it's 0:00:04.400 --> 0:00:07.240 supported by the generous donations of our listeners on Patreon. 0:00:07.520 --> 0:00:10.320 Visit patreon dot com slash thinking sideways to learn more 0:00:10.640 --> 0:00:21.200 and thanks Thinking Sideways. I don't know. You never know 0:00:25.960 --> 0:00:32.239 stories of things we simply don't know the answer too. Well. 0:00:32.280 --> 0:00:36.240 Here there, welcome to another episode of Thinking Sideways. I'm Joe, 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:42.360 joined as always by Steve and Deviny. So this week 0:00:42.479 --> 0:00:44.880 I've gotta talk about a groovy mystery. This is the 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:48.920 mysterious death of Morgan Ingram in December two thousand eleven. 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:51.120 And by the way, before we go any further, this 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:54.560 was suggested by our listener to Cole Thanks to Cole U. Yeah, 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:57.360 fun little mystery. This is actually kind of big on 0:00:57.440 --> 0:00:58.840 the internet. I don't know if you guys have noticed 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:01.920 it or not. Just little bit. Yeah, I've actually this 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:05.720 has been one that's interested me for quite some time actually, 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:08.280 but we've been kind of waiting for the five year thing. 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:11.320 Morgan was only twenty years old when she died. About 0:01:11.360 --> 0:01:13.880 the County Corner initially ruled her death to be from 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:18.360 natural causes, which was pulmonary dema caused by acute intermittent porphyria. 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:21.040 And if you don't know what that means, I don't 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:25.720 know either. Yeah. The reason I didn't really research porphyria 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:28.880 what doma by the politary demons when your lungs filled 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:32.440 with louis or the sacks around your heart do yeah? Yeah, yeah. 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:35.319 And as far as as far as the link between 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:38.160 those two, I didn't bother because they revised the cause 0:01:38.200 --> 0:01:41.920 of death later to suicide by drug overdose. Well, yeah, 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:45.440 porforio is really really really rare too. It is, yeah, 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:47.760 it is, but it does appear that she was being 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:52.680 treated for it, so yeah, so it's a reasonable conclusion. Well, first, 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:55.560 a quick introduction to the Ingram family. Morrigan Ingram our 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:58.040 our victim here was twenty years old and she was 0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:02.000 living with her parents, Stephen Tony, and she had a brother, Ryan, 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:04.280 who wasn't living at home at the time. Steven Tony 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:07.160 Ingram also had a grandson whose name was Jared. Uh. 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:09.320 And the reason I mentioned Jared is he has a 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:12.079 little small part in this from in this mystery. Uh. 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:14.600 The Ingrams lived in the three bedroom house on a 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:19.320 cul de sac called Coral Drive in Carbondale, Colorado, and 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:25.480 Jared was the brothers, Ryan's I believe so no, no, no, yeah, 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:28.200 I mean, just to clarify, he was yeah, I mean yeah, 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:32.640 she was only twenty. I mean I got so. Anyway, Carbondale, Colorado, 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:34.320 they were kind of out in the stix. They were. 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:36.280 They were not right into the town. They were out 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:39.680 in the country. Rural of states is what I call it, 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:43.480 or a m rural suburb. Yeah, it actually looks if 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:45.960 you look at the look at the aerial of it. 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:48.360 Their little cul de sac is this little is this 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:50.600 little subdivision development out kind of out in the middle 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:52.960 of nowhere, and then there's some other houses around it, 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:55.720 but everything's really spread out. Yeah, there's fields in the 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:58.680 middle of things. Yeah, I know, it looks like that 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:03.239 area there they were Coral Drive is right off Equestrian Avenue, 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:05.799 and it looks like they were plans for maybe bigger, 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:08.480 bigger developments out there, and that's how they make them usually. 0:03:08.600 --> 0:03:11.560 It hasn't really, it hasn't really happened yet. I'm sure 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:14.359 it will eventually. Yeah. You know, Actually, this mystery is 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:16.560 pretty thin, and my script originally was only a page 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:18.560 and a half long. So I went out to the Carbondale, 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:21.920 Colorado Chamber of commerce web page, and I cut and 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:26.440 pasted everything from there into the script. So dramatic reading 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:30.840 of carbon. Yeah. Well, first I start with a new 0:03:30.919 --> 0:03:35.760 safe way. Oh come on, I'm just kidding. Let's back 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:39.400 to Morgan. Uh. Morgan Ingram's family does not accept the 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:43.080 Corner's ruling. They believe that Morgan was murdered. The reason 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:45.760 they think so is Morgan was stocked by an unknown 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:50.520 person or person's for about four months before her death. Uh. 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:54.640 The instance began in August and they continued right up 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:57.920 until Morgan's death in December. She died in December two uh. 0:03:57.960 --> 0:04:00.240 And they include tapping out of bedroom windows at you 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:02.920 on the window, throwing small rocks at the window, following 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:05.280 on her car at least once, if not twice, and 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:09.080 another scary incident. It was early morning, still dark. Morgan 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:11.640 had recently gotten a puppy and by the way, I've 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:15.360 seen pictures of the puppy. Super cute puppy, Yeah, very cute. 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:18.120 The puppy needed to go outside to do a little business. 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:20.839 I'm not sure what. And the family was a little 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:23.599 on edge because of all the incidents that had taken place, 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:27.440 and Morgan's mother, Tony, had suggested that she needed to 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:29.360 let the puppy out after dark. She just stand in 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:31.560 the doorway and just let the leash out as far 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:34.000 as it could go, and the puppy could do his thing. 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:36.720 And how did she describe it? She said, And then 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:40.680 you could just reel the puppy in. Yeah, yeah, and 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:46.520 so on the morning, Yeah, on the morning of October 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:49.800 it was it was earlier, so it was still dark outside. 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:52.760 Morgan was standing in the doorway doing that. She glanced 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:54.960 to the left and she saw a man dressed entirely 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:57.760 in black standing in their neighbor's yard, just past the 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:01.040 low fence, about three ft tall. And needs to say, 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:03.840 she did reel the puppy and probably leaving a trail 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:07.000 of urine. Well not probably still yeah, I've read that 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:10.640 report and um Tony says that he was still urinating 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:13.720 poor puppy. I don't know what that's like, being drug 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:15.840 along with you know, I don't want to find out. 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:18.960 She got herself inside the house and the puppy and 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:22.240 the puppy, Yeah, but that was that was scary. That 0:05:22.279 --> 0:05:25.160 would I mean, that would scare me, I would imagine, Yeah, 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:27.760 even if I wasn't super super on edge I think 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:30.520 if I looked up and saw somebody staring at me 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:32.719 in all dark while it was dark out in black 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:36.320 and yeah, I would I would scare me. I would 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:38.600 just pull up my jammie and open fire. Yeah that's 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:41.800 because you're a man. Okay. Yeah, back on this, back 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:45.119 to the stocking incidents began in early August, and after 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:47.560 that the Ingram started installing those outdoor lights that had 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:50.240 the motion detectors and the ones I'm talking about, and 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:54.480 also cameras with like wildlife cameras that have motion detectors. Uh. 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:58.040 And the lights were going off quite often, which indicates 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:00.480 either they had intruders on the property or maybe they 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:03.200 had the sensitivity set too high on the motion detectors, 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:07.520 or they were pointing them at trees, which yeah, that 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:10.640 could be best possible to remember. There are lights going 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:12.800 off a lot. We had those. We had once, you know, 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:15.360 on the garage one lights. I remember that going off 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:18.880 a lot when it was like snowing or if it 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:21.719 was raining too hard. They were in Colorado and it 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:24.279 was winter when it was raining and then for a 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:26.800 bit and then snowy. Yeah, I'll tell you this. There's 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:28.560 one thing that's about these things is when you have 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:33.960 a neighbor that has one, it's pointed towards your bedroom windows. Worst. Yeah, 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:36.240 that's why I know about the one that we had, 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:40.360 because it was pointed kind of indirectly at my bedroom window. Yeah, 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:42.800 I had one of those years ago. And then, yeah, 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:43.880 it was coming on all the time when I was 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:47.960 trying to go to sleep. Eventually the problem got solved itself. 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:50.560 Somebody apparently shot it out with the twenty two pellet pistol. 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:54.520 Somebody I don't know who, but yeah, somebody they had. 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:56.960 They had the lights, and then they also had the cameras. 0:06:57.279 --> 0:07:01.240 The cameras, Yeah, and their carame was would occasionally catch 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:03.679 a little video of somebody in the driveway or the yard, 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:06.360 but the video was never good enough to actually identify anybody, 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:08.120 so the cameras weren't doing them a lot of good. 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:11.720 There was another interesting instance happened in daylight. Steve an Tony, 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:14.160 that's Steve an Toni Ingraham, mom and dad were talking 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:16.680 in the fourier of their house and Steve had his 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:18.840 back to the front door and Tony was facing the 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:21.240 front door, and apparently there were windows on either side 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:23.120 of the front door in the house. Yeah, that's kind 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:27.480 of a common design, those pre fab houses. Yeah. Yeah, 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:30.119 And she saw a person with a white longsleeve shirt 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:33.320 go dashing across their driveway through the windows and and 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:36.000 then turn around and went went around the corner and 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:39.000 between their house and their neighbor's house to the north, 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:41.880 and then she sets up to Steve, and Steve ran 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:43.160 to the back of the house where they had these 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:45.880 sliding last doors to try to try to see who 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:48.080 it was and maybe go out and even catch them. 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:52.640 And whoever it was was gone. So another disturbing incident, incident, 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:55.000 and there were all kinds of innocence. I'm not gonna 0:07:55.160 --> 0:08:01.680 I'm not gonna list the worth of them. I'm not exaggerating. 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:04.800 You can find it online. Those are like police reports. 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:08.600 So yeah, the local police. Yeah, the the Ingram's kept 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:10.520 the local cops kind of busy. They went out there 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:12.640 a lot. But there was a pivotal moment. On the 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:16.800 morning of September one, two thousand eleven. Morgan was home 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:19.600 alone when she heard somebody working the keypad on the 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:22.000 front door and they had they had electronic locks on 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:23.840 both the front and the back doors, you know, and 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:26.840 you guys, all, I'm sure you know what those are, right, Yeah, yeah, 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:29.960 you entered the electronic key, the five or six or 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:33.760 eight digit pin and it unlocks. Yeah. Well, once she 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:35.840 heard that, she thought it was her mother coming home, 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:37.839 because her mother had just left to go on a 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:40.760 run to the bank. But the buttons kept getting pushed 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:44.160 and the door wouldn't open, so Morgan realized it might 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:47.240 be the stalker. And now I don't want to question 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:49.920 Morgan's judgment, but to me, this seems like a great 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:51.920 time to grab a baseball bat and go into the 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:54.560 front door. But you think or even just walk to 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:56.760 the front door and look out the window to see 0:08:56.800 --> 0:09:00.520 who it is that might have been. Yes, this whole 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:04.679 baseball thing. No, And I'm gonna this may end up 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:06.439 being one of those episodes where I have to constantly 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:08.800 remind you that, as a small woman, that's actually a 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:11.600 very bad idea. But I will continue to remind you 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:15.440 of that. I can I totally see though. We just 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:18.600 talked about the fact that there's windows by the front door. Yeah, 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:21.839 you may as well go up, just go oh, okay, look, 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:24.520 oh look it's the neighborhood drunk. He's at the wrong 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:28.839 house again. Or finally, I have a description of what 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:31.200 this stalker looks like, because up until now I've been 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:34.600 able to only say it's an unidentified person. Yeah, yeah, 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:37.719 this doesn't make sense for a lot of reasons. Well, 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:39.640 but on the other hand, I'm gonna do this a 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:42.440 lot in this episode. Again fair warning. On the other hand, 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:44.839 I can see, you know, I remember being younger, and 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:48.360 certainly this is maybe in my earlier teenage years than 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:51.280 like in my early twenties, but I can remember being 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:54.880 so scared. Sometimes fear just takes hold and you think, 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:56.480 I don't want him to know that I'm in here. 0:09:56.800 --> 0:09:58.720 I don't want anybody to know that I'm in here. 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:01.840 I'm just gonna hold up and maybe they'll just go away. 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:03.959 If I just ignore it, it'll just go away and 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:08.240 it won't be a problem, and then it will be fine. Yeah. Yeah, 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:12.240 And that you know this this again, I'm not you know, 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:15.640 obviously I wasn't there. As far as I know, Morgan 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:18.240 never reported this directly to the police. This came from 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:20.880 her mother, Tony. I think we need to clarify now 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:24.920 that none of almost none of this reporting, at least 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:30.720 the the initial calls to the police were done by Tony. Yeah, 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:34.360 her mother always was one that if the cops showed up, 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:36.640 got the cops here, and then eventually they would talk 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:39.040 to her. They should also be noted that almost all 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:42.240 of the contact with the police was not was neither 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:46.920 on the line or the non emergency line. It was 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:50.560 through calling people that Tony had contact with in the 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:53.839 police department. It was very rarely a dispatch. Yeah, but 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:57.840 she did call dispatch, but communicated a lot via email. Yeah. 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:00.840 She communicate a lot via text and call an email 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:04.360 with the police. Yeah. So back to our story here. 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:07.760 Whoever that was at the front door, he got away unseen. 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:10.120 When Tony got back, sheally called the sheriff's department. They 0:11:10.160 --> 0:11:13.720 sent somebody over. The deputy's name was Chris Yawns. I 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:15.840 think that's how that's pronounced. Chris. If you're listening, you know, 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:17.360 let me know if I pronounced it right or not. 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:20.880 He noticed a footprint in the dirt under a bathroom window. 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:24.080 There's three bathrooms in that house that have windows, of 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:26.319 the total four. They've got a lot of bathrooms in 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:31.200 that house. Foot house that's pretty decent sized. Yeah, so 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:32.840 there were three of them, but I'm not sure which 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:37.240 one it was, but there was a footprint. Later that afternoon, 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:39.800 the Ingram's grandson, Jared, who I mentioned earlier, and I'm 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:42.480 not sure he's who was a kid apparently, like I'm 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:46.360 not sure exactly how old, ten, fifteen, sixteen, I don't know, 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:49.520 but he came over to the house. He saw the 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:52.800 footprint and he said that it looked to him like 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:54.839 it was the soul of an ethnic shoe. And I 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:56.880 don't know how he managed to do that, but he's like, 0:11:57.080 --> 0:11:59.319 it's not that hard. I mean, some shoes have very 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:02.800 distinct Well, maybe he had Etney's himself, you know, that's maybe. 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:05.400 Of course, maybe it was his footprint too. I don't know, 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:09.200 but uh. Jared was later not long after that, standing 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:12.319 out by the street and he noticed a neighbor driving by. 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:14.959 The neighbor was Keenan van Ginkel, who lived at the 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:16.440 end of the cul de Sac at one to three 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:21.360 Coral Drive. There. Yeah, he lived with his girlfriend. He 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:23.880 had moved in with his girlfriend. He wasn't there. I 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:27.800 think he moved in in June maybe, and and he 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:31.400 was out. He was there for maybe three or four months, No, 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:34.160 not really. The house was owned by a guy named Jim. 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:38.360 Jim Harris his daughter, Brooke Harris, was Keenan's girlfriend. So 0:12:38.440 --> 0:12:41.240 Jared hustled over to Keenan's house when he was getting 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:43.200 out of his car to ask him if he wanted 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:45.640 his lawn mode. But his real modive, he said, was 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:48.200 to look at keenan shoes, and he came back and 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:51.880 reported today looked exactly like purple. Etney's why he originally 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:53.920 suspected Keenan. I don't know. Maybe he decided to go 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:56.040 around and look at everybody in the neighborhood's shoes, you know, 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:58.440 until he found him Etney's. Yeah, I I don't know. 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:03.880 They the family seem to be convinced. And again, I, 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:06.120 as you said, I wasn't there, and I don't want 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:09.800 to anybody to think that I'm casting any negative information 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:13.040 on the family, But they seem to be grasping for 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:18.240 somebody on their street to be the responsible party. Well, 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:20.760 you know, and I can sort of see that because 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:22.480 on the one you know, on the one hand, to 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:24.599 be inconvenient if you're gonna stock somebody to have to 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:27.040 commute out to the sticks where this little subdivision was, 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:29.480 so I could see why they might be thinking it's 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:31.440 somebody on that little because there's not a lot of 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:35.120 people close by otherwise. But at the same time, with 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:39.480 what they don't understand about stalkers is that stalkers are 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:42.920 willing to go to all kinds of inconvenience to obsessively 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:45.640 go after somebody. So I could totally picture somebody driving 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:47.680 out there all the time, you know, parking a little 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:49.720 ways away and hiking in and then just then doing 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:52.520 this thing and then then leaving again. Yeah. Yeah, that's 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:57.160 that's the that's a very common characteristic, is just taking 0:13:57.200 --> 0:14:02.120 things to a level that nobody would expect. Yeah, the deal. 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:07.000 On the other other hand, you know, these incidences vaguely 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:13.160 correspond with when Keenan moved in. And again, you know, 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:16.040 since all this information comes from the parents, we don't 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:19.000 know if Morgan maybe had had some because she had 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:22.720 been friends with Keenan's or at least casual acquaintances with 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:27.480 Keenan's girlfriend, And so there's no there's no real sense 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:29.960 of if the family is trying to kind of protect 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:32.760 a past that Morgan said, yeah, I had to run 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:35.800 in or two with this guy that made them suspect 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:39.800 him more. I don't think that's something that the mom 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:43.800 Tony would have mentioned because she does try to mean, 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:48.160 she really does. She makes sure that everybody knows that 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:53.480 Morgan is like perfect, which I understand the impetus to do. 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:56.920 But we also, I don't think we would know if 0:14:57.440 --> 0:15:00.000 there had been some past with Keenan to make them. 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:04.160 I think that he was a good candidate for this stalker. Yeah, 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:07.520 just candidate. Yeah, I don't think that there was any 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:11.400 past actually, but yeah, she she had known Brook. There 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:13.400 were acquaintances, and that's about it. And they hadn't talked 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:15.800 for months, so that's about They didn't seem to be 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:18.520 any bad blood between them, Okay, Anyway, I said this 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:22.640 was a pivotal moment because this apparently is what got 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:26.520 Keenan on the Angram's radar. I'm not totally sure about that, 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:28.920 but that this appears to be it. So Tony called 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:31.080 Deputy Jaunts later that day and told him that a 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:35.200 neighborhood identified Keenan as a suspect. I guess maybe she 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:37.160 didn't want to get Jared involved, so she just said 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:39.720 one of the neighbors said that Keenan would would be 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:42.360 a likely suspect. It sounds like the rumor mill was 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:44.600 working overtime in this call to set. There were a 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:46.720 couple of a couple of big time gossips in this 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:49.240 little cul de sac. They really were pretty feel like 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:51.920 that really polluted a lot of what was going on. 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:53.800 Oh yeah, yeah, and like like like her next door 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:56.560 neighbor Rhonda in the House of the North. Apparently, apparently 0:15:56.600 --> 0:15:59.520 Tony was busy telling telling Ronda about her suspicions. So 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:02.680 then Rohnda was spying on Keenan, watching his movements and 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:06.400 everybody else. Yeah, so it was no, there was no 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:09.640 secret here. Yeah. So two days later, about nine pm, 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:11.720 Tony is in her office in a bedroom at the 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:14.080 front of the house. It's just right off the front 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:16.560 of the front entrance and Morgan, nobody else was home 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:19.160 at the time. Somebody tossed a rock against the window. 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:22.120 Must have apparently been a small rock. She keeps talking 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:26.080 about rocks. I think I'm thinking more like pebbles, you know. Yeah, 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:29.200 but somebody and somebody hit the window of the rocks 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:31.560 was the window of the office, Yeah, the office, which 0:16:31.640 --> 0:16:34.400 was a bed. It's basically a bedroom doubles. Doubles is 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:37.760 an office. And is that the room that um Morgan 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:42.280 had been sleeping in? Uh no, No, she was according 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:45.640 to according to her mother, I've never heard, actually officially 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:49.440 from Morgan that she was sleeping their parents their parents 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:52.360 master bedroom closet. Okay, but that's where she was sleeping. 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:54.320 I thought there was I thought I remembered something about 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:56.160 an office, but I could be totally wrong. Well, there 0:16:56.160 --> 0:16:58.880 was one incident where she was she came home and 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:02.120 she was taking a shower in her mother's office. Yeah, 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:04.200 there's a bathroom in there, and it might be apparently 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:07.720 Morgan did not maintain her own bathroom, was in her 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:12.679 bedroom in tip top shape. Yeah yeah, and so maybe 0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:15.640 the bathtub was just cleaner in the mom's office bathroom, 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:18.600 and so she decided to go use that one instead. Yeah, 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:21.280 that's about But she never slept in the office, she 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:24.320 accorded to her mother. She slept in the master bedroom 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:27.040 closet for a while. Back to the rock throwing incident, 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:30.439 Tony calls the sheriff's office. They sent a new deputies over. 0:17:31.040 --> 0:17:33.360 And by the way, I want to say to to anybody, 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:35.240 any of you in the Sheriff's office that all listening, 0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:39.240 pakudos to you guys. You really you really went out 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:42.840 there a lot. Yeah did your job they did? Yeah, 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:47.040 they did. Absolutely. There was no oh, come over later. 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:49.679 They wouldn't took care of it, check it out. No, 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:51.200 I mean there were there were times when they did it. 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:53.119 Actually they got a report of an incident. You know. 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:55.000 There was one time that they came in from two 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:57.240 different directions, you know, they came in from the outside 0:17:57.280 --> 0:17:59.960 and everything, just in an attempt to catch this mysterious 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:03.760 perpetrated Yeah. Uh and uh. And then they searched the 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:06.720 house like two doors down, you know, and they searched 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:09.199 it more than once. Actually, the lights were on at 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:12.160 one two three Coral Drive, which is where Keenan lives. 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:14.359 So the deputies went over there to see if anybody 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:18.000 had seen anything. Brooke Harris and that Keena's girlfriend answers 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:20.480 the door. Her dad was not home, but she was 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:23.080 asked if she had seen any suspicious activity. She said 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:26.400 she hadn't. Um. She also said Keenan was in the house, 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:28.600 but that he was asleep. They asked if she would 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:31.480 wake him up, and she didn't want to because apparently 0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:32.879 he needed to sleep because he had to get up 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:35.680 at like and then go to work at two am. So, yeah, 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:37.520 I had a job at a grocery store to shift 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:39.800 was generally two am to ten am. Yeah, working your 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:42.240 grocery stores are can be brutal on you mean, just 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:44.600 because of the shot the hours that are required. Yeah, 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:47.800 working working that graveyard shift is just tough no matter what. 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:51.639 After the deputy has left, the most activated lights at 0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:54.399 the end of his house went on at least seven 0:18:54.440 --> 0:18:56.879 times that night, which is according to a diary that 0:18:56.920 --> 0:18:59.919 Tony kep and she wrote, quote we assumed the per 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:03.760 was angry about almost getting caught unquote. So I want 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:06.639 to point something out or make a comment on something, 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:10.240 which is I have looked at the digital versions that 0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:14.439 she has made of her diaries of the lights on 0:19:14.480 --> 0:19:19.439 the property, because it was pretty extensive, the locations and 0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:23.320 times and the lights would go off. She would have 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:28.159 it at one, one thirty, two, three, four or five six, 0:19:28.960 --> 0:19:32.520 install an app on her phone that tracked every single 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:35.760 time the lights went off. She had comments on them. 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:38.040 That was the thing that made me think that part 0:19:38.040 --> 0:19:41.120 of this is she was waking up every time the 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:44.560 freaking light was going on, which means that she wasn't sleeping. 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:47.840 Don't make any of them were sleeping, which really well, 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:50.359 it has an effect on your your perceptions and your 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:54.040 judgment good that it does seem like her judgment was 0:19:54.080 --> 0:19:58.399 not quite right. It's gat least questionable. Yeah, there's some 0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:03.480 questionable judgment here. Yeah. Uh. Keenan was the family's prime suspect, 0:20:03.480 --> 0:20:07.040 of course, but their suspicions were amplified when Morgan was 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:09.520 followed one night in her car when she was driving home, 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:11.880 and she slowed down to try to get the car 0:20:11.920 --> 0:20:14.120 to pass her, but it didn't pass her. And then 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:17.159 a third car pulls up behind that car, and uh. 0:20:17.400 --> 0:20:19.320 In the illumination of the headlights of the third car, 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:22.320 Morgan's could see the outline of a driver, which appeared 0:20:22.359 --> 0:20:25.040 to be a male of about Keenan's height and build. 0:20:25.920 --> 0:20:29.360 And then she turned down Highway one hundred, which leads 0:20:29.359 --> 0:20:33.280 to equestrian Way. Yeah, she turned right on the equestrian 0:20:33.280 --> 0:20:36.560 way and the car went on on Highway one hundred 0:20:37.280 --> 0:20:39.359 and she looked back and she noticed it was a 0:20:39.440 --> 0:20:42.680 small green car, which is like the car that Keenan drove. 0:20:43.040 --> 0:20:46.520 So who more suspicions the the next the next suspicious 0:20:46.520 --> 0:20:49.760 thing that happened. Uh, that's in the October twenty nine 0:20:50.119 --> 0:20:52.879