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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Insiders, Tom Pellicero and Ian Rapaport

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Speaker 1: with you Steve, which will be rejoining us in a

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Speaker 1: short period of time. We have a ton to get

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Speaker 1: into from Sunday. We also had some big news today.

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Speaker 1: Brian Dable out as the Giants head coach, Mike Kafka

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Speaker 1: in on an interim basis, GM Joe Shane stays on

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Speaker 1: and we'll lead the search for the next head coach

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Speaker 1: in New York. We also had a return to the

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Speaker 1: field and the big one Joe Burrow for the first

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Speaker 1: time since his turf toe surgery and a little bit

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Speaker 1: ahead of the projected schedule, back on the practice field

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Speaker 1: on a limited basis. Today they open up his twenty

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Speaker 1: one day practice window and we shall see when that

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Speaker 1: could mean Joe Burrow is back on the field.

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Speaker 2: We covered a lot of that.

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Speaker 1: If you're listening to this on the podcast, this is

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Speaker 1: part two, Part one. We dug into all that. Go

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Speaker 1: over there and check that out, but first just hang

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Speaker 1: with us right here, because we got a lot to

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Speaker 1: discuss out of what we saw on the AFC side of.

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Speaker 2: Things on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: It started about bright and early yesterday, Ian with a

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Speaker 1: Colts team that made a ton of headlines the Sauce

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Speaker 1: Gardner trade. The game was a little edgy, quite frankly,

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Speaker 1: the Falcons. It felt like at times they were kind

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Speaker 1: of finding their stride. But Jonathan Taylor, who I made

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Speaker 1: the mistake recently of saying, is strengthening his offensive Player

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Speaker 1: of the Year resume, he continues to build out the

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Speaker 1: NFL MVP resume right here.

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Speaker 3: Yep, that's offensive because he has a chance at everybody.

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Speaker 3: He's not going to get it. It doesn't matter. He's not

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Speaker 3: going to get it. Like it's never going to happen.

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Speaker 1: If he has twenty five touchdowns in two thousand yards

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Speaker 1: in might I mean Saque didn't win it last year.

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Speaker 2: That's the best argument.

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Speaker 3: Not it's not who I mean, what's never going to happen?

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Speaker 3: What that quarterback Stafford would be the guy? Staff would

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Speaker 3: be the guy? Or when Joe Burrow comes back runs

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Speaker 3: the table, I mean, come crazy?

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Speaker 1: Can he win Comeback Player of the Year within the year?

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Speaker 1: Is that possible? His third such a ward?

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Speaker 3: Last time he won Back Player of the Year. I'm

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Speaker 3: pretty sure he was like, no, I didn't he say

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Speaker 3: this thing. Let's hope to never do this again. Or

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Speaker 3: something like that. And yet and here we are, here,

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Speaker 3: we are anyway, He's not gonna win it. But Jonathan

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Speaker 3: Taylor is really like he's been so interesting to me

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Speaker 3: because remember what a battle was for him to get

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Speaker 3: really good running backs to try to start building back

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Speaker 3: that that market of like really good running back deals,

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Speaker 3: and it was like, is he worth it?

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Speaker 4: Is he not?

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Speaker 3: At that point he had an ankle injury. He's been

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Speaker 3: so worth it. He's so good. He's the engine for

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Speaker 3: that whole team, which has a really good offensive line too.

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Speaker 3: That was pretty awesome, and that is a good His

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Speaker 3: a good run game and offensive line can do for

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Speaker 3: a quarterback and for a team. Yeah, I mean that

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Speaker 3: whole win was That whole win was great. Raised some

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Speaker 3: you know, simple easy throws that were not made at

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Speaker 3: other thing was Sauce Gardner dropped in interception that probably

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Speaker 4: Poetically, that's what should have happened. It didn't, but that's

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Speaker 1: And just check with people because I'm not an expert

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Speaker 1: on cornerback play. They were very impressed for a guy

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Speaker 1: who was acquired on Tuesday, really flew in, had to

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Speaker 1: start watching film on a different team, learn the basics

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Speaker 1: of the system, get on a plane to Germany and

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Speaker 1: play five days later. That that's tough. He went out

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Speaker 1: But c rearly a good start for Sauce. Now will

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Speaker 1: get a you know, something resembling at least a normal week. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: I don't know you can make arguments in terms of

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Speaker 1: like who's the favorite right now in the AFC harder

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Speaker 1: probably to make that about the Bills after what we

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Speaker 2: But played.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Mike Tomlins was about as mad at the

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Speaker 1: he was asked one question about how Aaron played and

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Speaker 2: Next question?

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Speaker 1: That's not ideal. The Ravens have won three in a row.

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Speaker 1: It was kind of an ugly game yesterday in Minnesota

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Speaker 1: for them. You've got the Bengals getting Joe Burrow back,

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Speaker 1: you can see it with some of those young players

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Speaker 2: The Steelers struggling.

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Speaker 1: Like that, Ian I would think is you know, I

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Speaker 1: that's the type of performance that can come back to

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Speaker 1: the AFC chase, and at this point with the Ravens,

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Speaker 1: you know, the one team in the NFL that reported

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Speaker 1: no injuries at all on their report last week, you

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Speaker 1: have to start wondering, here are the Steelers once again

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Speaker 4: This should be a time when I say, look, out

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Speaker 4: for the Ravens.

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Speaker 3: They've won three in a row, but that that was

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Speaker 3: like a grimy kind of win, Like it didn't the.

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Speaker 2: Defense is nine at halftime, they were down I think ten.

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Speaker 3: Nine at half time it was, and like the defense

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Speaker 3: definitely has looked better, but the offense kind of has

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Speaker 3: so I sort of get why they lull you into

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Speaker 3: those grimy games. But I think of right, like this

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Speaker 3: good enough again? And you know there's a lot that

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Speaker 3: was a bunch of plays that like he left out

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Speaker 4: What did you see? And I was kind of like,

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Speaker 3: A lot of one years old, Yeah, and like this

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Speaker 4: Which again, like I don't know, you know.

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Speaker 3: I hate win predictions or whatever that nonsense is. I

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Speaker 3: assume the Bengals don't have a good chance right now,

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Speaker 3: like percentage wise, I'm sure it's not good. But I

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Speaker 3: really do wonder like if they are the team that

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Speaker 4: Racing to the playoffs, like what will be? I don't know,

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Speaker 4: I don't I just not as good.

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Speaker 2: I think the whole.

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Speaker 4: Division probably not as good as I thought.

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Speaker 1: But we've seen the Bengals play shootouts, mostly losing them.

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Speaker 1: We've seen the Ravens play shootouts, mostly losing them. You know,

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Speaker 1: those two teams can put points on the board. For

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Speaker 1: the Steelers, who did a lot of work, it was

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Speaker 1: no secret trying to find another wide receiver, just weren't

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Speaker 2: Alvin Austin has a ball hit him.

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Speaker 1: I mean right off of camera if it is hands

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Speaker 1: find this. We've we've seen Mike Tomlin put it together before,

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Speaker 1: East where I mean, Mike Vrabel, it's unbelievable. You're you're

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Speaker 1: being reminded just on a weekly basis, how good of

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Speaker 1: a coach he is. Stefan Diggs looks like one of

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Speaker 1: the best acquisitions of the offseason, the level that he

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Speaker 1: I think the Patriots play like two games in a

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Speaker 2: So they could be putting in a position where all

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Speaker 1: Nine to two, and you know, you feel like, okay,

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Speaker 1: this is all setting up really, really well for them

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Speaker 1: moving forward. They now have a little bit of distance too,

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Speaker 1: they completely showed up on a night on a day

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Speaker 3: So I want to talk about the Dolphins like the

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Speaker 3: Bills lost and looked terrible. I'm sort of like, not

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Speaker 3: don't think they're bad. I think they went into a

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Speaker 3: were surprised and just.

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Speaker 4: Didn't play well. They just played badly. It happens. It's okay.

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Speaker 3: Everyone is watching the Dolphins now to see how they respond.

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Speaker 3: Tua looked once again just okay through a couple of

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Speaker 3: bad interceptions, but overall like for a coach that everyone

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Speaker 3: I know it's possible, don't We'll see what's going to happen,

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Speaker 4: They really look like they're playing for him.

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Speaker 3: And you know, that's how you tell whether or not

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Speaker 3: Mike McDaniel keep his job at the end of the year.

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Speaker 3: It's what do the players actions say? And they beat

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Speaker 3: their first opportunity to respond, and at least that was

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Speaker 3: interesting and at least that shows that this team is

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Speaker 3: still playing for their head coach or from.

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Speaker 2: The insiders after this.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back Steve White and Judy Batista to the conversation. Judy,

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Speaker 1: you had to jump for a phone call a short

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Speaker 1: time ago in the part one. If you're catching this

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Speaker 1: on the podcast, we're discussing the past, the formationion Er.

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Speaker 2: Paul Tagliabu.

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Speaker 1: I know that you spent some time even in recent

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Speaker 1: in your mind, what sort of the flashpoint moments were

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Speaker 1: of a ten year as NFL commissioner really in a

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Speaker 1: lot of ways define the direction that it's gone in

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Speaker 6: It was laid by Paul Tagliabu.

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Speaker 6: But he was very much a visionary.

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Speaker 5: Like he was a visionary in terms of like, teams

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Speaker 1: Our best too, Paul Tagliboo's family, everyone in our NFL

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Speaker 1: What did that game show you about, not just the Texans,

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Speaker 7: That's a disaster. But the fact that your offense can't

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Speaker 7: It's damnation on both sides of what they did. And

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, to me, this was all interesting in

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Speaker 3: I mean, I saw that the Jets were playing the Browns,

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Speaker 3: it has been I believe, four games since Matt Burke,

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Speaker 4: That has been really good.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's, you know, something that as the

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Speaker 4: Is important.

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Speaker 3: And Judy I would say this like the Lions, you know,

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Speaker 5: What I love about the Dan Campbell and the Lions

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Speaker 2: Those of us old people.

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Speaker 5: Appreciate Dan Campbell for representing I wasn't that worked out

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Speaker 6: The Lions are super impressive.

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Speaker 5: You know, we talked all off season about it's hard

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Speaker 6: Know, it doesn't always go smoothly. It does.

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Speaker 5: It takes a while to iron out the wrinkles, and

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Speaker 1: The Lions were determined to try to keep that quiet.

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Speaker 1: Some of us knew about the change a couple of

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Speaker 7: That's a great point, Tom, because as we saw, even

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Speaker 1: Remind me a little of the Commanders from a year ago.

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