1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Friday Night Special. That's right, 2 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: It's Friday Night and it's special. 3 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 2: Does the name Brian Walsh ring a bell? I will 4 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 2: never forget it. 5 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: I actually remember his wife better, Anna Walsh. Her body 6 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: has never been found and she leaves behind two little 7 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: boys to grow up without mommy. Remember husband Brian and 8 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 1: all of his damning computer searches, like, how long does 9 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: it take for a dead body to start smelling? 10 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 2: Yes? Him idiot? On top of being an alleged killer. 11 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 2: That said, the. 12 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: Owner of the home where young mom Anna Walsh was 13 00:00:54,600 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: allegedly murdered is now suing Brian Walsh's mother. Yeah, it 14 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: just never ends. Not only that is the judge getting 15 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: off the case. I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. 16 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us. Let's 17 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,320 Speaker 1: start with the owner of the home where Anna Walsh 18 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:26,559 Speaker 1: was allegedly killed now suing Brian Walsh's mother. Recall, Brian 19 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: Walsh allegedly kills and dismembers his beautiful wife Anna. Well, 20 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: the owner of that kahas At home where that allegedly 21 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: occurred is suing Brian Walsh's mother for four hundred thousand dollars, 22 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: claiming the murder and police investigation has damaged and quote 23 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: psychologically impacted the property. How do you psychologically impact the property, 24 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: the home itself, the yard. 25 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 2: I don't know if anybody wants to ever. 26 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: Buy the home, but how is the home psychologically impacted? 27 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 3: Well? 28 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: That said the homeowner. Peter Capizzoli filed the lawsuit against 29 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: Walsh's mother, Diana Walsh, in Norfolk Superior Court. He is 30 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 1: also suing the property insurance under writing Association for four 31 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars, claiming it wrongfully denied him coverage. Now, 32 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: according to this complaint, Diana Walsh, the mom, signed a 33 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: six month lease okay on the property, later extending the lease. 34 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 1: She allegedly told the owner Capuzzoli, she planned to live 35 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: in the home with son Brian, the daughter in law Anna, 36 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:53,679 Speaker 1: and their three children the following January. When Anna's disappearance 37 00:02:53,720 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: hit the headlines, police soon accused Brian Walsh of foul 38 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: pl heavily leaning on those suspicious Google searches and did 39 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: I mention he purchased hundreds of dollars of cleaning products 40 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: and hardware supplies in the days that followed. That includes 41 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: a hacksaw and a hatchet. Police say they found some 42 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: of Anna's belongings in a dumpster, and they found a 43 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: bloody damaged knife in the basement of that cahac At home. 44 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 1: Now in this complaint, the murder caused quote blood and 45 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: human remains to contaminate the home, including the bedroom where 46 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: the murder took place and the basement where the dismemberment. 47 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: Oh Lord, have mercy allegedly took place. This is in 48 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: the lawsuit, and the homeowner says he had to bring 49 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: in a company that specializes in murder scene decontamination at 50 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: quote substantial expense. He claims the investigation damaged the property 51 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: with blood detecting chemical luminol staining the walls, mattresses, furniture, commodes, sinks, 52 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: and showers okay. He also says that because of the 53 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: publicized murder, the property has now been quote psychologically impacted 54 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: and substantially decreased its rental and sales value. 55 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 2: Well. 56 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: The mom responds Diana walts, and she denies ever living 57 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 1: there and says she was not listed as a guaranteur 58 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: and if Capuzoli sustained damages, they were caused by acts 59 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 1: over which she The mom Diana Walsh had no control. Okay, 60 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: we'll see where that lands. 61 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 2: Oh. 62 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: Ps. The mom also files the counterclaim. Can you believe this? 63 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: Claiming the property did not comply with sanitation codes and 64 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: was filled with mold when they moved in. Interesting how 65 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 1: she only figured that out after the murders. 66 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 2: Okay. 67 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: In addition to all of that, the judge in the 68 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: case as now citing a potential conflict. Is she going 69 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: to be taken off the case? Judge Diane Frenier informed 70 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 1: all the parties she has a pre existing friendship with 71 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: attorney Michael Sullivan, who was recently added to help the 72 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: prosecution handle federal material related. 73 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 2: To this case. 74 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 1: She describes him as a mentor and former co worker. 75 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 1: She also says she can remain objective, but offered to 76 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: let Walsh and his defense attorney consider whether they want 77 00:05:54,200 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: a new judge. Wow, okay, let me jog your memory. 78 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 1: Can listen to our friends at wpr I. 79 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:04,679 Speaker 4: Thirty nine year old Anna Walsh left her home early 80 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 4: Sunday morning. She was supposed to take a flight from 81 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 4: Logan to DC, where she works during the week, but 82 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 4: there's no record of her ever boarding a flight. Polise 83 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 4: there's been reports that she took a ride share. There's 84 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 4: also been no electronic flipprint of her in five days. 85 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: Okay, all this starts in Cohasset in Norfolk County, Massachusetts 86 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: with me an all star panel to make sense of 87 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: what we know. Right now, before I introduce them all, 88 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: I want to go to a special guest, Dana Kennedy, 89 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: senior reporter with my favorite newspaper, The New York Post. 90 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 2: Dana, thank you for being with us. 91 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: This just is it's really hard for me to believe 92 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: from everything I know about Anna Walsh that she would 93 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: leave her three little boys alone. 94 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 2: I mean, have you looked at photos of her. 95 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: There's not really a lot of photos of her and 96 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: her family, but she always seems so connected to the children. 97 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 5: She did seem connected to the children and Nancy. At 98 00:06:58,400 --> 00:06:58,919 Speaker 5: the same. 99 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 6: Time, I felt it was a little bit. 100 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 5: Strange she got this new job in Washington, DC and 101 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 5: she had like a smaller part. 102 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 2: Okay, well wait wait, wait, wait wait wait. 103 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: Dania Kennedy, you happen to have a lot of information, 104 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: and you're like the fire hydrant of news. 105 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 2: It just comes out so fast. I've got it, you know. 106 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: I like to make flow charts right, and I can't 107 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: really write that quickly. Now, hold on, new job? What 108 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: was new job? 109 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 5: Her new job was as a real estate executive with 110 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 5: a Washington, DC based firm. 111 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 2: Hold On, you know what. 112 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: I knew she was in real estate and she's fairly successful, 113 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: but I didn't know it was a new job. Now 114 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: let me think that through. So she's living in Cahassett 115 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: and the job. Is it based in DC or does 116 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: she just have to go there occasionally? 117 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 2: It's based in DC? 118 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: Uugh, Okay, that's tough, even though that's not a long trip, Dana, 119 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: you're familiar with the I call it the second LaGuardia 120 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: where there is an airport that just does shuttles. 121 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 2: They do from LaGuardia, New York to. 122 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: D C. Right, they used to do one from LaGuardia 123 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: to Boston. It's really quick and the only flights leaving 124 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: the Marine Terminal as it was called, are just those 125 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: couple of few cities, and it's like a hot jump 126 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: and a skip. 127 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 2: So is that true? From Cohasset? 128 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: I guess you'd take the Boston airport to d C's 129 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: how far is that of a flight? 130 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 5: It's only about an hour. I mean, I actually come 131 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 5: from Massachusetts in one of the one of the towns 132 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 5: involved is my hometown. In this case, it's really only 133 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 5: an hour flight, but it's at least an hour from Cohasset. 134 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 7: To Logan Airport. 135 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know, once you get to Washington, d C. 136 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: It's you know, you have to. 137 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 5: Get into the city, so it's a hot jump, but 138 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 5: it still takes time. 139 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: You know. That's so true about every floor every trip. 140 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: You's say, oh, it's just an aer flight, but by 141 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: the time you leave early to get to the airport 142 00:08:58,720 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: an hour or two early. 143 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 2: So you know, in case they are a lines. 144 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: By the time it's all said, none, it's like four 145 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: or five hours, no matter how. 146 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 2: You slice the bread. 147 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:10,439 Speaker 1: At least I'm just thinking about her. So now her 148 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: new job is based in d C. Would she go 149 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,559 Speaker 1: for the whole week? Yeah, well, who's taking care of 150 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: the boys while she's gone for the week? 151 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 5: A husband? 152 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: That's a big stress on a marriage and a family leaving. 153 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: If you're gonna laugh, Dana, I swear if I go 154 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: one night, and I don't think I'm the most critical 155 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,719 Speaker 1: person in the family, but when I'm gone one night, 156 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: I come home the whole house looks like. 157 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 2: Bears have been living there. 158 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: I look in the children's backpacks and they're full of 159 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: like trash. I ask what they have for supper, as 160 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: if I didn't know, it's going to be pizza. That's 161 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: no vegetables Dana at all. Okay, Well, apparently they had 162 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: it worked out, so she leaves the house that morning. 163 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 5: Well, we don't know, that's what he said. 164 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,839 Speaker 2: Okay, that's what the hobby says. Tell me. Cahasta, where 165 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 2: they lived. 166 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:07,199 Speaker 5: Cohasset, is a really pretty high end seaside town, pretty posh, 167 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 5: and they were living in a rental because the house 168 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 5: they'd had before actually burned down. 169 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:16,559 Speaker 1: Now, hadn't they already moved out of it when it 170 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 1: caught on fire? Yeah, and some other people were living there. 171 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: That's just another wrinkle in this case. So we've got 172 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: this gorgeous and I mean gorgeous, thirty nine year old mom, 173 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: Anna Walsh, with three boys, ages two, four, and six. 174 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: She just takes a new real estate job, but she 175 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: has to travel to get there. What was her job 176 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: before that, Dana? 177 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 5: She was basically in hospitality, Nancy. 178 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 6: She started off. 179 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 5: Really low level, almost as a cleaning lady. According to 180 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 5: some of my sources, however, she graduated pretty quickly two 181 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 5: hotels like hotels in western Massachusetts and around that area. 182 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: Can I tell you something, everybody on the panel, and 183 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:00,839 Speaker 1: Dodger Bethany Marshall is going to love this also with 184 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: me in addition to Dania Kennedy, senior reporter with New 185 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: York Post. And it's a real honor to have you, Dana, 186 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall joining me. Psychoallis out of Beverly Hills 187 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com and start bringing Empire 188 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: on Netflix. Dodger Bethany I tracked down a friend of 189 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: Anna's and this is how he met her. He and 190 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: his son would often visit the grandmother, his mother in Boston, 191 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: and at that time, Anna for years was working at 192 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: a high end hotel in Boston, and that is where 193 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 1: Frank and his son Henry would always stay and Anna 194 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 1: would handle their reservation and whatever they needed while they 195 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 1: were there. And she took a particular liking to Henry, 196 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: the little boy, the son, and she would always give 197 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: him special treats and recommend thanks for them to do 198 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,559 Speaker 1: in Boston when they weren't with the mother, Miss Hall, 199 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: and over the years they became really good friends, and 200 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: she would go out of her way to do things 201 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: for Frank, who's a single dad trying to take care 202 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:17,439 Speaker 1: of his son, and she really made a huge impact 203 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 1: not only on him and his son, but other people 204 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: in the hotel too, And that really gave me an 205 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: insight into her after many many discussions with Frank about 206 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 1: her because she didn't know them, and she didn't know 207 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: the little boy, but went out of her way, above 208 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 1: and beyond any duty at the hotel just to be 209 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: genuinely kind and welcoming. 210 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 2: And sincere people she didn't even know, Doctor Bethany. 211 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 6: You know, Nancy, this is so profound what you're sharing 212 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 6: because she started in twenty fifteen as a recent immigrant, 213 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 6: as Dana said, cleaning rooms, and she advanced quickly, which 214 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 6: tells me that she's a very hard but hard work 215 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:04,439 Speaker 6: did not get in the way of wanting to help others. 216 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,359 Speaker 6: It tells me that this is a woman who's capable 217 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 6: of forming attachments, and that's very important for this story 218 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 6: because it means this is not a mother who just 219 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,959 Speaker 6: took off, who was unattached to her children, who or 220 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:20,559 Speaker 6: who was unattached to her husband. In fact, going to 221 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 6: the sea for work may have actually been a sacrifice 222 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 6: to be away from her family. So this woman is beloved, 223 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 6: she cares, she's altruistic, she has family and friends around her. 224 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 6: She forms long, long, long term relationships. Someone like this 225 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 6: does not just get in the car and drive away 226 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,959 Speaker 6: from their family, right. They don't just find another lover 227 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 6: and you know, leave it all, like we see with 228 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 6: some mothers who are not even bonded with their children, 229 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 6: so they create a new life and secret. This is 230 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 6: not Anna Walsh. Annah Walsh cared. Anna Walsh was attached. 231 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 6: Anna Walsh was firmly ensconced in a community and in 232 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 6: her relationship. 233 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: So what do we know about the morning she apparently 234 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 1: got a ride share of some sort uber or lyft 235 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: to the airport for a trip to DC. Now, one 236 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,559 Speaker 1: thing I can tell you is this on January one, 237 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: when most people are off Take a listen now to 238 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: our friends at WUSA. 239 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 8: A relative told go House of Police at the thirty 240 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 8: nine year old was seen leaving her Massachusetts home around 241 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 8: four a m. On January first to take a ride 242 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 8: share to Logan Airport in Boston. 243 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. It never ends with Brian Walsh. 244 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: Now his mother is being sued because she apparently rented 245 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: the home where the murderer and the disposal of Anna's 246 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: body allegedly took place. What I'm asked, you know what, 247 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: that's a civil lawsuit. I'm more concerned about whether the 248 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: state can prove a murderer. 249 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 2: Is this correct that she had a dinner with friends. 250 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 5: Yes, they had a dinner with one friend. 251 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 2: One friend. Was that in the home or did they 252 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 2: go out? It was in the home. In the home, Okay, 253 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 2: so the friend and the friends stay every night. No, 254 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 2: but he has been quoted. 255 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: Okay, so we know she was there for New Year's Eve, 256 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: and okay, I just wanted to back up just a 257 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: little bit to confirm the timeline. 258 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 2: Take a listen more from WSA. 259 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 8: Three days after she was seen leaving her home with 260 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 8: bags in hand, Walsh was reported missing. 261 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 7: We cannot confirm that she actually got into a ride. 262 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 2: Share in Cohasset. We confurther, we have confirmed with the Aions. 263 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 9: And that's been a challenge, that she did not board 264 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 9: a plane this week. 265 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 8: Police say her phone has been off and there has 266 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 8: been no activity on her credit or debit cards. 267 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: I wanted you to take a listen to more of 268 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: what the friend had to say. But first I want 269 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: to go to Ross Gardner, consultant and instructor at Bevillgardner 270 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: dot com, author of Bloodstained Pattern Analysis with an Introduction 271 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: to Crime Scene Reconstruction third Edition. 272 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 2: Wow, I like that's the third edition. 273 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: That means you've got three books that you have revised 274 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: about crime scene reconstruction. 275 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 2: And I could talk to you about blood stain pattern 276 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 2: analysis all day long. Ross Gardner, you're a forensic consultant. 277 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: Let me ask you this very quickly, if you can 278 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: put it in a nutshell for everybody that hasn't had 279 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: to do it, how do you confirm whether someone caught 280 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: a ride share from a certain address, and how do 281 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: you confirm forensically if you're investigating the case whether someone 282 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: took a flight out of Cohasset or out of Boston. 283 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 10: Well, today, in this technology, it's hard to move about 284 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 10: without some level of leaving information behind. I think this 285 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 10: is basic criminal investigation. They would have contacted the lists 286 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 10: and the right share of people, and they have records, 287 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 10: and of course you were not going to go through 288 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:15,479 Speaker 10: TSA without being recognized unless you're claimed, you know, somebody 289 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 10: were to claim that she were traveling in disguise or 290 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 10: under a false name. So I think that was the 291 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 10: easiest part of the whole deal for the criminal investigators, 292 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 10: just to figure out. 293 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 1: Did she really catch a rye and did she really 294 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: have a fly or did she ever even have a 295 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 1: flight booked? Did she have a flight book that she 296 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 1: did catch or did she not even have a flight booked? 297 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: You know what this is reminding me of to Dana 298 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: Kennedy and New York Post, this. 299 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 2: Name is going to go down in infamy forever. Caitlin Armstrong. 300 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: She was the glam yoga instructor murdering her boyfriend's. 301 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 2: Friend Mariah, Remember her, Mariah. 302 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: Wilson, who was a world class dirt and mud biker 303 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: who was in town for competition. And the boyfriend got 304 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 1: together with Mariah, you know, for the afternoon and the 305 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 1: next thing you know, she's dead, shot dead in the bathroom. 306 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: Remember how they finally traced her and found her in 307 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: I think. 308 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 2: Costa Rica was exactly the way. 309 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 1: Ross Gardner just described evidence photos video at the airport 310 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 1: from TSA. 311 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 5: Absolutely I covered that story when it happened and It 312 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 5: was incredible that it sure did. They saw her in 313 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 5: surveillance video at LaGuardia after she flew out of I 314 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 5: believe Austin. But then somehow she was able to get 315 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 5: a fig passport and then she flew out to Costa Rica. 316 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 5: It was incredible that she lasted as long as she did, 317 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 5: and as we know, I think she had dyed her 318 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,880 Speaker 5: hair and was making herself look as different as possible. 319 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:57,120 Speaker 2: Kind of knows job. Yeah, so Ross Gardner is right. 320 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: I don't know if this young mom ever had a 321 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: flight arranged or we just thought she had a flight arranged. 322 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: But we now know she didn't take a lift, she 323 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: didn't take an uber, no ride share or cab. 324 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 2: So all right, where is she now? 325 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 1: We find out there's no activity on her credit or 326 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: debit cards, so how is she living? When does she 327 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: reported missing? Take a listen our friends at Boston twenty five. 328 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,640 Speaker 11: A Cohaset police log is shedding new light on how 329 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 11: the investigation first got started. It says a call requesting 330 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 11: a well being check was made on January fourth by 331 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 11: a man who identified himself as the head of security 332 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 11: at Honnor Walsh's employer in DC. Tishman Spire. The log 333 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:47,360 Speaker 11: says Tishman Spyer contacted husband Brian Walsh before he reported 334 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:50,439 Speaker 11: his wife missing. It explains that he told police on 335 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 11: a left for DC and he hadn't heard from her since. 336 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 11: According to the log, on his phone last pied on 337 00:19:56,680 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 11: January second, at three fourteen am in Cohase said and 338 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,719 Speaker 11: hit the tower on Reservoir Road in Cohacid, less than 339 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 11: a mile from the family's home. 340 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 1: Okay, all of that was interesting to me, but Dana 341 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: and hey, don't worry. 342 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 2: Philip Holloway, I'm getting to you. 343 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: Philip Holloway with me, high profile lawyer or founder of 344 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: the Holloway Law Group in Cobb County, radio host, legal 345 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 1: analyst WSB, host of Sworn, a true crime podcast. 346 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 2: I'm getting there, Phil. And remember Philip again, I stold 347 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,400 Speaker 2: it everyone before we went to air. We're not having 348 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 2: high tea at winsor Castle. Jump in. 349 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 1: Man, you're certainly not afraid of jumping in in court. 350 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: So if you have an idea, jump in. Dana Kennedy, 351 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 1: A lot just jumped out at me. But one thing 352 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 1: is her phone pinged January two at home when she 353 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: was supposed to have left the morning of January one. 354 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 2: What she left without her phone? 355 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, nothing makes any sense, Nancy. I mean, and if 356 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 5: she had we were talking about flights earlier. Had she 357 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 5: made an arrangement for a flight, that would have shown 358 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 5: up online somewhere. 359 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 2: Okay to you. 360 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: Philip Holloway, lawyer and founder of the Holloway Law Group, 361 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 1: Cobb County, Georgia. Philip Holloway, Why is it her office 362 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 1: reported her missing? 363 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 2: Shouldn't the husband have reported her missing? 364 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 7: Well, look, anybody who cares about her should have reported 365 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:31,120 Speaker 7: her missing. But look, I think this does make perfectly good. 366 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 12: Tins And I like you. 367 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: Hey, if my husband ever goes missing, remind me hire 368 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 1: Philip Halloway. Of course he can't go missing because I've 369 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 1: got him a life three sixty. I've got him on 370 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: this and on that. Man, I know when he's going 371 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: to go empty the trash. Actually, really, he's so trustworthy. 372 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: When I try to look through his emails, they're so 373 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 1: boring my eyes bleed, So you know I'm actually not 374 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: tracking him. 375 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 2: That said, go ahead, Philip Halloway. Well, look, I think this. 376 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 7: Whole thing does make for good sense because the picture 377 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 7: that's being painted here by the circumstantial evidence All I 378 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 7: said is. 379 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 2: He didn't report her missing. Man. 380 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 7: Yeah, this could be the most powerful type of evidence 381 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 7: in court. Circumstantial evidence is great, and the circumstances paint 382 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 7: a picture of someone who has been killed. 383 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 12: This is a murder case. 384 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 7: We all know where it's going. The circumstances all point 385 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 7: to that. 386 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 2: I believe you're putting the cart before the horse. 387 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 7: I don't think so. 388 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 2: Nobody has said murdered yet. 389 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 12: I don't think so. 390 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 7: I think this is where it's. 391 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 2: All I did. 392 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: I say, are you familiar with William Shakespeare, because one 393 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: of my favorite quotes. 394 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 2: Is methinks thou dost protest too much? 395 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: All I said was he didn't report her missing, And 396 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:42,159 Speaker 1: you just went crazy about a circumstance of wordcase. 397 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 7: Well, that's what it is. You know, when somebody says 398 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 7: this doesn't make sense, I have the position that it 399 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 7: makes perfectly good sense. Once you understand that this is 400 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 7: a murder case, it starts to make sense. Everything that 401 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 7: we know and everything that's happened fit's perfectly into that paradise. 402 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 2: Why didn't he report her missing, Philip Holloway. 403 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 7: Because he's afraid of going to prison. 404 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: Okay, Well that's certainly one way of putting it. Now, 405 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: we have a little, let's just say, inconsistency in the facts. 406 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 2: Take a listen to wb Z. 407 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 13: WBZ is obtained and verified audio of a voicemail left 408 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 13: by mister Walsh for one of Hona's friends. 409 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 2: The friend lives in Washington, d C. 410 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 13: Where Anna works, and tells us the voicemail was left 411 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 13: on Wednesday, that's the same day Anna was reported missing 412 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 13: to police. 413 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 12: Said Brian Walsh. I hope all is going well. I 414 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 12: was just reaching out to basically everybody I could. Anna 415 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 12: hasn't been in touch for a few days, you know, 416 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 12: anyone that might have that contact with her, just you know, 417 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 12: calling everyone. So I hard to bother you here. 418 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: Everything's fine, Okay, no offense to this guy calling people. 419 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 1: But Dana Kennedy, did it sound a little bit like 420 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: he's reading a script. 421 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 5: It sounded a bit like he was reading a script. 422 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 5: And also he was completely nonchalant. I mean, in this 423 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,160 Speaker 5: day and age, when someone's out of touch for two days, 424 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 5: you'd be in a total panic. You'd be only every 425 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 5: copy'd be. 426 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 2: Doing everything possible. 427 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: You're so right, doctor Bethany Marshall. I've told you this 428 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: story before. But I don't think everybody knows the story. 429 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,679 Speaker 2: Let me just tell this real quick, David. 430 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:14,160 Speaker 1: My husband travels a lot for his job, and typically 431 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 1: when he touched down, he'll text me, and that's great. 432 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 2: I don't need to talk to him. I just like 433 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:21,640 Speaker 2: to know he's safe. 434 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: Well, bethany excuse me, doctor Bethany One time he got 435 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: to Florida and he texted, I made it, and I'm 436 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: going to go do this, this, this, this and this, 437 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: and then I'll end up at the hotel around nine o'clock. 438 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 2: Well, you know what, I never heard from him again. 439 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: And I could just imagine him getting run over in 440 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: the parking lot or some nut hitting me in the 441 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: head or I didn't. 442 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:49,439 Speaker 2: Know what I was thinking. 443 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: You know. My coworker d and I stayed up till 444 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: four o'clock by snight that night, calling hospitals. 445 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 2: Finally I got the manager to go and not on his. 446 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: Door with much much strong arming, and he was in 447 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: there and had come home early and fallen asleep. 448 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 2: You can hear the TV in the background. He's like, 449 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 2: totally not doubt. But I was so upset. I was 450 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 2: calling every hospital in the area. I didn't know where his. 451 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:24,679 Speaker 1: Business appointments were so I was trying outlying hospitals. I 452 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: know it sounded like a crazy person. I was convinced 453 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: something had happened to him. I'm assure didn't sound like 454 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 1: I was writing a script. 455 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 2: No exactly. 456 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,679 Speaker 6: That's why you just took the words right out of 457 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 6: my mouth. Compare his response with yours. 458 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 2: He had what we. 459 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 6: Call in my field trite, rehearsed and stereotyped speech. That's 460 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 6: what we put in reports when we're analyzing a patient 461 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,679 Speaker 6: who sort of hollow and empty and not believable. Also 462 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 6: somebody who has very little original thinking, so they kind 463 00:25:55,160 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 6: of they kind of they spout off or they repeat 464 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 6: eat what they have read somewhere, or what they hear 465 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 6: other people saying. 466 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,399 Speaker 2: I hear you. Let's hear that again, Sandney, could you 467 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,640 Speaker 2: play that one more time? Where we hear Brian Walsh. 468 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 13: WBZ has obtained and verified audio of a voicemail left 469 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 13: by mister Walsh for one of Hona's friends. 470 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 2: The friend lives in Washington, d C. 471 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 13: Where Anna works, and tells us the voicemail was left 472 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,439 Speaker 13: on Wednesday, that's the same day Anna was reported missing 473 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 13: to police. 474 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 12: Said Brian Walsh, and hopeful is going well. I was 475 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 12: just just reshing out to basically everybody I could. Anna 476 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 12: hasn't been in touch for a few days, you know, 477 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 12: anyone that might have that contact with her, just you know, 478 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 12: calling everyone. So I hard to bother you here. 479 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 1: Everything's fine, okay, So now guys, take a listen to 480 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: what police are saying. 481 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 2: This is WUSA. 482 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 8: Walsh's friends and family have been cooperating with detectives. The 483 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 8: Realistic executive would spend her work weeks in the district 484 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 8: and weekends with their family and her Massachusetts home, where 485 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 8: local and state officials have brought in their search on 486 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 8: a wall. She's described as a five foot two woman, 487 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 8: weighing one hundred and fifteen pounds. She has brown hair 488 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 8: and brown eyes, and speaks with an Eastern European accent, 489 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 8: according to police. For now, police say. 490 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 14: There is no sign a foul play. 491 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: No evidence of foul play. Well, maybe this will jog 492 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: the police into action. A fire erupts. Take a listen 493 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: to our friends at WCVB. 494 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,919 Speaker 14: Police say she wasn't reported missing until Wednesday. 495 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 2: She does work in DC. 496 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 14: And it's not abnormal for her to. 497 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 10: You know, work long hours in not. 498 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 14: Contact the home investigators say her phone's been off since 499 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 14: Sunday and there's no evidence her credit cards have been used, 500 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 14: and the fire at the family's former home only adds 501 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 14: to the mystery. 502 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 7: We're going to look at everything here, you know, very 503 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:53,119 Speaker 7: strange coincidence. 504 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 1: Straight back out to veteran trial while or Philip Holloway, 505 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: While police say no evidence of foul play, now a 506 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: fire breaks out at the home. 507 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:04,400 Speaker 2: They just moved out of. 508 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 1: Do you believe you actually believe in coincidences in criminal law, Phip, No. 509 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 7: Not particularly not in this case. Listen, I think that 510 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 7: there's certainly circumstantial evidence that can be interpreted as signs 511 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 7: of foul play. 512 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 6: You know. 513 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 7: Look, not reporting her missing for a couple of days 514 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 7: in and of itself is problematic, and when you add 515 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 7: it to all the other pieces of circumstantial evidence, such 516 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 7: as leaving the house to buy cleaning supplies and the 517 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 7: internet searches and finding the items in the basement. 518 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: So not only do we have a fire breaking out 519 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 1: at their former home, the picture becomes more bleak. 520 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 2: Take a listener, friends at WBTS. 521 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 15: More bags being brought out of the gohase at home 522 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 15: where missing mom on A Walsh and her family live, 523 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 15: just a day after investigators said they wrapped up their 524 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 15: search for evidence. Their evidence that included the discovery of 525 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 15: blood and a bloody knife in the basement. New video 526 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 15: obtained by ABC ten Boston shows Brian Walsh just one 527 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 15: day after his wife was last seen on security cameras 528 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 15: at Press, Juice Bar and Norwal. Meanwhile, the NBC ten 529 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 15: investigators have learned a hacksaw and bloody towels were found 530 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 15: during the search of the transfer station in Pebty and 531 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 15: the dumpsters at the Swamscott department complex where Brian Walsh's 532 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 15: mother lives. 533 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,479 Speaker 1: To day, think Kennedy joining us the New York Post, 534 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: I guess that changed the course of the investigation. 535 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 2: What exactly what evidence has been found so far and 536 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 2: where I. 537 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 5: Think there's there's some confusion about that. Early on, investigators 538 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 5: went north of Boston to a place called peebd to 539 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 5: a transfer station. There they found some material that initially 540 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 5: was called evidence or remained and I don't think it's 541 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 5: been specifically outlined at all yet. I don't think they 542 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,479 Speaker 5: I mean, they found I believe a bloody knife in 543 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 5: the in the basement, So a. 544 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 1: Bloody knife and I believe the knife had been broken 545 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: to some degree and some blood in the family home. 546 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: Not the former home that was burned down, but the 547 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 1: family home where Anna was living with her three boys 548 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: and husband. 549 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 2: And there's more. Listen to NBC TAN. 550 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 16: Boston police have been collecting surveillance video from several places 551 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 16: Brian Walsh visited after his wife's disappearance. That includes walking 552 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 16: by this dumpster at a liquor store in Swampscott So trying. 553 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 2: To figure out what exactly happened. 554 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 17: Doctor Anne Marie Myers used to work at the Medical 555 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 17: Examiner's office and now teaches forensic criminology at Anna Maria College. 556 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 17: She says authorities will fast track everything they have through 557 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 17: the lab, including the hacksaw and the bloody knife, but 558 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 17: some of the details could make. 559 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 2: The police work difficult. 560 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 18: There's an indication that there's been some sort of perhaps 561 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 18: dismembering of the body and then disposal echoes. Many cases 562 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 18: that I was involved in where the police were never 563 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 18: able to find human remains. 564 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: Ross Garner is joining me for as a consultant. Ross 565 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: what does a broken knife mean to you? 566 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 10: Well, it's unclearest, is it's broken or it's damaged. 567 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 6: But that would not be. 568 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 10: Unexpected either through if he used a knife during the 569 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 10: course of the assault or in the course of dismembering. 570 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 10: Dis memories. No an easy task. I think what's more 571 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 10: important at this point will be the DNA and they're 572 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 10: going to have to correlate the knife and those bloodstains 573 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 10: that they found specifically in the basement back to Anna 574 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 10: and then of course, in that sense there's some belief 575 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 10: that he may have cleaned up the scene. We could 576 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 10: have high expectation that they're doing additional. 577 00:31:58,120 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 7: Work such as LCV. 578 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 10: Or alumino trying to enhance any cleanup activity, because that'll 579 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 10: give you a better sense for you know, is this 580 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 10: just a couple of tiny little bloodstains or was there 581 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 10: a large volume of flood here. 582 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 2: Crime stores with Nancy Grace. 583 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 1: Civil lawsuit or no civil lawsuit, there is a murder 584 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 1: case to be tried. These are the facts we know of. 585 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 2: Now, what can. 586 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,479 Speaker 1: You tell me, Dannae Kennedy about a four hundred and 587 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 1: fifty dollars bill at home depot. 588 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 5: Well, when they found the receipt for this there it 589 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 5: was cleaning supplies and I believe there might have been 590 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 5: some rope found. But again pretty suspicious considering his wife 591 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 5: is missing. 592 00:32:54,760 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 1: I've got Tom Moss tart quickly buckets, various types of 593 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: tape and cleaning supplies, all from the. 594 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 2: Rockland home Depot. 595 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 1: And you know what I love Philip Holloway about Home Depot. 596 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 1: Much like Target, they have excellent surveillance video. I will 597 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 1: never forget. I believe it was Target where top mom 598 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 1: Casey Anthony went while her daughter Kelly was missing. 599 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 2: There she was in her push up bra buying. 600 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 1: Beer and all sorts of party stuff using somebody else's check. 601 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 1: By the way, while her daughter was missing, she was 602 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 1: not the least bit upset. And I guarantee you there's 603 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 1: going to be home Depot surveillance video of the husband, 604 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 1: Brian Walsh, buying all of his cleaning supplies. 605 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 2: And not only will they find. 606 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 1: Forensically, as they've already stated, a bloody knife and some 607 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,719 Speaker 1: blood in the basement, there could be, Tracey says, of 608 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 1: that cleaning supply in the home. A luminol catches so 609 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 1: much that the naked eye misses any blood spatter, any smudge, 610 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 1: any transfer, anything on the wall or the ceiling. A 611 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: lot of times when defendants murder someone, they forget to 612 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:20,880 Speaker 1: look up at the ceiling. 613 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 2: That's a big booboo, Philip poll Away, Yeah. 614 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 7: It is. And I can't think of an innocent reason 615 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,320 Speaker 7: for him to be at the home depot at that time, 616 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 7: in violation of his bond, by the way, purchasing four 617 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 7: hundred and fifty dollars worth of cleaning supplies if it's 618 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 7: not something that he normally does, and there's no information 619 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,399 Speaker 7: that that is part of this regular routine. So it's 620 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,359 Speaker 7: just one more brick in the wall when you add 621 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 7: it together with all the other circumstantial evidence. And by 622 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,399 Speaker 7: the way, speaking of the hack saw, can you imagine 623 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 7: any worse thing to be out there involved in a 624 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 7: case like this? If there's a hacksaw involved, that just 625 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 7: sends the mind into thinking the absolute worst and most 626 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 7: horrifying of outcomes in this case. 627 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 1: And I got to tell you dand Kennedy New York Post, 628 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 1: It's not like Con Dexter, where the whole floor in 629 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: the walls are encased in plastic and then he dismembers 630 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 1: the bad guy and then just kind of thows it 631 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 1: all up and you never find any blood spatter at all. 632 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 2: It's not like that at all. It's an arduous task. 633 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,879 Speaker 1: It's very hard to dismember someone, and you always leave 634 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,439 Speaker 1: behind blood. Plus you've got to get blood off that hack. 635 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 1: So I'll trace back to Anna if that's in fact. 636 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 2: True, that's right. 637 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,319 Speaker 5: That's it all so incredibly grizzly. And I don't know 638 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 5: how an everyday average guy, which is what Brian Walsh was, 639 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 5: could even figure out how to saw limbs off. I 640 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:49,359 Speaker 5: don't think I could. 641 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,920 Speaker 1: And there's more, guys, take a listen to our friend 642 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:53,959 Speaker 1: Julianne Lima, Boston twenty five. 643 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,280 Speaker 19: We did confirm through sources that investigators did in fact 644 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 19: find evidence in that dumpster that is connected to Ona 645 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 19: Walsh's disappearance. Now, they searched the dumpster here in PBT 646 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,319 Speaker 19: for hours last night. State and local police sources also 647 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 19: telling us police tot that shumpster from Brian Walsh's mother's 648 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 19: apartment complex in Swampscot. We spoke to people who live 649 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 19: in that complex who were horrified to learn of what 650 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,520 Speaker 19: may have been put in their trash. 651 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,919 Speaker 20: And the one in Maya is automatic when you close 652 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:26,360 Speaker 20: the door. It compacts verything to think about that, because 653 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:31,680 Speaker 20: God forbid, if somebody put something in that compact would compact. 654 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,360 Speaker 2: It back to you, Danna Kennedy. 655 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 1: We are just learning that Ana Walsh a thirty nine 656 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: was planning for the future, selling off assets to reinvest 657 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,319 Speaker 1: in real estate before she vanished on New Year's Day. 658 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 2: What if anything do we know about that, Well, we. 659 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 5: Know information about her plans for the future when it 660 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,120 Speaker 5: came to her business from some tenants that she had 661 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 5: in Revere, which is north of Boston, a seaside town, and. 662 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:01,919 Speaker 6: These tenants had been with her for. 663 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 5: A while and considered her a friend. I believe they 664 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,839 Speaker 5: knew her for seven years, and they were shocked when 665 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 5: about a month ago, she said, oh, you guys have 666 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 5: to get out, I'm selling it. And when they sort 667 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 5: of acted like, well, can we have some more time, 668 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,839 Speaker 5: they said, her whole demeanor changed in a way they'd 669 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 5: never seen before. She was pushy, they said, not very nice, 670 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:23,920 Speaker 5: had a bit of a melt down over it, and 671 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:28,240 Speaker 5: they were shocked. But then another source told Fox News 672 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 5: that it was normal for someone who's in like sort 673 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:35,799 Speaker 5: of low level real estate investment to flip and put 674 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 5: that money into another investment, which sounds. 675 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 2: Like she did. 676 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 5: Because it was sold that Revere Beach home prior to 677 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 5: her disappearance. 678 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:48,000 Speaker 1: What can you tell me, Dana about some fake Andy 679 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,000 Speaker 1: Warhol paintings. 680 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,839 Speaker 5: Brian Walsh bought them from an LA gallery dealer who 681 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,400 Speaker 5: believed it and it wasn't until later that he found 682 00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 5: out they were completely fake, and Brian Waller was later 683 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 5: arrested in connection with art fraud. That's why he was 684 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,040 Speaker 5: living in cohabit with an ankle monitor. 685 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:14,200 Speaker 1: So Brian had an art fraud conviction and was forced 686 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:18,439 Speaker 1: by the court to stay at home. But aside from 687 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:24,400 Speaker 1: the art fraud, this to me is much more troubling. 688 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,560 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut twenty one our friend 689 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:28,200 Speaker 1: Bob Ward. 690 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,120 Speaker 9: On social media missing cohaz It mom Anna Walsh portrayed 691 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,360 Speaker 9: a glamorous, happy life with her husband, Brian Walsh, but 692 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:39,120 Speaker 9: a police report revealed deep trouble even before Anna and 693 00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:40,759 Speaker 9: Brian were even engaged. 694 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 2: According to this public incident report, Anna Knipp. 695 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,200 Speaker 9: Her maiden name, told DC Metro police that Brian Walsh 696 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 9: quote made a statement over the telephone that he was 697 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,440 Speaker 9: going to kill her and her friends. She added, Brian 698 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 9: now lives in Boston, Massachusetts. Brian Walsh is not named 699 00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 9: in the report, but my sources indicate the suspect is 700 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,880 Speaker 9: Brian Walsh. The report list the potential offense as felony threats, 701 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:09,160 Speaker 9: but Anna never cooperated with DC Metro Police. Brian Walsh 702 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,440 Speaker 9: was never charged and the case was closed. 703 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 1: And not only was that case closed, she then went 704 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,359 Speaker 1: on to marry him. Doctor Bethany Marshall, Can you make 705 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:18,840 Speaker 1: sense of that? 706 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,080 Speaker 6: Well, yes, absolutely I can, Nancy, Because even the most 707 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:26,000 Speaker 6: abusive of relationships always start out with an attachment, right. 708 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,720 Speaker 6: Two people love each other, they want to be together, 709 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:34,720 Speaker 6: and according to a cultural anthropologist Helen Fisher, there's an 710 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,600 Speaker 6: idealization between the couple that lasts for like seven to 711 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,520 Speaker 6: fifteen months, where they just see each other as perfect 712 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,000 Speaker 6: and as a person who's going to take care of 713 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,279 Speaker 6: all their own unmet needs. And it's not until that 714 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:51,440 Speaker 6: initial idealization wears off they start to see the true 715 00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,960 Speaker 6: character of the other person. And then, more specifically, with 716 00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,040 Speaker 6: women who are abused, there's kind of a crisis of 717 00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 6: boundaries where when the man is a use of toxic 718 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,680 Speaker 6: in this case, homicidal, the woman thinks, Oh, it's my fault. 719 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,920 Speaker 6: I went to DC, I made him jealous, I posted 720 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,560 Speaker 6: all these pictures, I shouldn't have done it, and she 721 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,840 Speaker 6: could have blamed herself, which would then have paved the 722 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:19,759 Speaker 6: way for the sort of matching thought with her a viie, Well, 723 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:21,920 Speaker 6: it's my fault. I have to fix it, and now 724 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,000 Speaker 6: I just have to go back home and make things better. 725 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,640 Speaker 1: Take a listen also to what our friend Lawrence Jones 726 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,440 Speaker 1: from Fox Knees and Our Cut thirteen has learned. 727 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,400 Speaker 3: What do you know about Brian? 728 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,279 Speaker 21: Unfortunately not much, because every time when we would have 729 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,640 Speaker 21: a conversation about Brian, it would be switched to children 730 00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 21: or brushed off. 731 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:48,040 Speaker 3: So we what do you mean brushed off the conversation though, literally. 732 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:52,319 Speaker 21: Switching the subject. So and I said, and if there 733 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:56,359 Speaker 21: is anything, come you know it's it's okay, And she said, 734 00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,600 Speaker 21: everything is fine and more her husband Brian. 735 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,960 Speaker 3: There's no picture policy. I mean, it's even hard to 736 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,560 Speaker 3: find pictures of her out there when we want to 737 00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,279 Speaker 3: remember her her life and try to get answers for her. 738 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 3: If y'all hear anything about that, does that surprise you? 739 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,360 Speaker 3: There's no picture policy. 740 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,920 Speaker 21: Hard to say she was hiding, truly, but the absence 741 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,480 Speaker 21: of him. I understand that even in New Year's Eve, 742 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,200 Speaker 21: my friend said that he would not even take personal 743 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,760 Speaker 21: photos for between friends that he was missing on the photos, 744 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,480 Speaker 21: and during the New Year's that he would take pictures 745 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,480 Speaker 21: of everybody else but not of himself. So there must 746 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,400 Speaker 21: be some reasons for it. I don't want to speculate 747 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:38,399 Speaker 21: what the reason, but it. 748 00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:42,080 Speaker 1: Is I no picture policy. Dana Kennedy from the New 749 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,279 Speaker 1: York Post. There's one very important picture out there right now. 750 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:49,000 Speaker 1: He has mudshot. He apparently lied to police and he's 751 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,480 Speaker 1: been charged with in impeding the investigation stating he took 752 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:56,400 Speaker 1: his sons for ice cream, when in fact that's not true. 753 00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,480 Speaker 5: No, it's not true at all. There doesn't seem to 754 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,399 Speaker 5: be any thing really valid that he has said so far. 755 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,600 Speaker 5: And if I agree with a lot of what doctor 756 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:11,759 Speaker 5: Bethany said in principle, but I think it's very strange 757 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,120 Speaker 5: still to file a police report or make a police 758 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,880 Speaker 5: report saying this guy was going to kill you, and 759 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,560 Speaker 5: then marry him a year later and not have not one, 760 00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:25,480 Speaker 5: but three children, and then leave them essentially with a 761 00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,800 Speaker 5: guy who she knew had been convicted of a crime. 762 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:33,240 Speaker 5: I have a vibe that she wasn't just the sweet, 763 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,760 Speaker 5: loving mother that you that we see. Listen I'm sorry 764 00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:40,160 Speaker 5: if she's been murdered, obviously, but I think she was 765 00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,880 Speaker 5: kind of a complicated person. I think it's very odd 766 00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,839 Speaker 5: to go ahead and marry a guy like that and 767 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:46,839 Speaker 5: have three kids and then leave the kids with him 768 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:47,399 Speaker 5: during the week. 769 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:52,800 Speaker 1: Civil lawsuits are all about someone suing for money. I'm 770 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:57,640 Speaker 1: interested in someone going to jail for life for the 771 00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,480 Speaker 1: murder of Anna Walsh. 772 00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,680 Speaker 2: Will will that be Brian Walsh? He says he's innocent. 773 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:08,640 Speaker 1: We wait as justice and false goodbye friend,