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Speaker 1: Your tunes about drive on Home of the Black and

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Speaker 1: Goal Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome back. I'm Dale Lally here

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Speaker 1: with Matt Williamson and Matt. As we just did for

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Speaker 1: all the a f C North offenses, Let's do the

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Speaker 1: same thing with the a f C North defenses. Okay,

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Speaker 1: and take a look of everything stands. Okay. I got

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Speaker 1: a little questions for you here. I'm okay, how it's

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Speaker 1: your article, so I'm not gonna, you know, take it over.

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Speaker 1: How did you how did you classify the front seven?

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Speaker 1: You know? I mean I broke down Okay, I broke

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Speaker 1: him down in the interior defensive lineman edge and then

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Speaker 1: linebackers off off the ball. But that's how I would

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Speaker 1: have done it too. I would have three positions in

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Speaker 1: the front seven. Yeah. So you're gonna define defensive tackles

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Speaker 1: as okay, hayward or bigger basically basically yeah, yeah or

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Speaker 1: bigger you know? Yeah, Okay, let's do it. So looking

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Speaker 1: at the defensive line, I have the Steelers, the Bengals,

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Speaker 1: the Ravens, and the Browns. Okay, So you didn't include

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Speaker 1: Myles Garrett Clowney Hendrickson. No, those guys are atched defensive ends.

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Speaker 1: Although I did put for the Ravens, I did play

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Speaker 1: his Campbell. I put class Campbell in this group because

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Speaker 1: they played I would Yeah, yeah, he could go. He's

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Speaker 1: truly a tweener for this conversation. They call him an end,

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Speaker 1: but they also have, you know, a rush end, and

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Speaker 1: then they have the outside linebacker who runs, so you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's not gonna line up outside the tackles,

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Speaker 1: and to me, that's an edge. Okay. Um, much like

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Speaker 1: the Ravens wide receivers, the Browns easilier last, it might

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Speaker 1: be last in the leak. Yeah, they're bad, really bad.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's a big problem. Um. I think the

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Speaker 1: Steelers are clearly one. I mean, there's nobody approaching Cam

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Speaker 1: Hayward in the division. No, he's he's heading shoulders above

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Speaker 1: everybody else. Yeah, I mean in the Lulu and job

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Speaker 1: or Yeah. Is that the biggest Is that the biggest

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Speaker 1: gap in the division at any position? Because if you

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Speaker 1: look like Watton, Myles Garrett right right right, like Lamar Borrow,

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Speaker 1: we're close. Yeah, Hayward versus any other defensive tackle in

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Speaker 1: the division is not close. It's not close about positive

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Speaker 1: Who number two is it? Probably reader? So yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think I have six C two. Yeah, I mean B J.

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Speaker 1: Hill and DJ Reader are solid. They are They're solid,

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Speaker 1: and neither one is Cam Hayward. Every team would like

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Speaker 1: to have you the one of them and then play

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Speaker 1: a lot of staffs for you. The Ravens are just

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Speaker 1: okay though. Yeah, it's class Campbell, Michael Pearce and Justin

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Speaker 1: Mata Bouquet. I mean, I think they're clearly three, like

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Speaker 1: they're not and for two, and I don't think the

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Speaker 1: Bengals are great, so that might be the easiest one

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Speaker 1: to do yet almost because the Browns are terrible. I

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Speaker 1: think the Steelers have a big advantage there. Uh, edge Rushers,

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Speaker 1: This one was tough. Yeah. I put the Steelers number one,

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Speaker 1: the Browns number two, the Bengals three, the Ravens four. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I would do that too. Um, I mean, what and

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Speaker 1: Garrett are pretty close to cancel each other out. I

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Speaker 1: think I'd slightly take walk if I have to pick.

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Speaker 1: Clowney is not a win over Highsmith to me. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think that's about the same. I wish the Steelers

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Speaker 1: had a third guy, and then I'd feel a little

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Speaker 1: more confident of putting them at one and the Ravens

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Speaker 1: at least have depth. I mean they have four or

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Speaker 1: five options, none of whom's have one. Some of those guys,

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Speaker 1: especially Ooga Jobi and O Way are a job. O

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Speaker 1: and o Way are you know, the future not the president.

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Speaker 1: You know. Um. And the Bengals are good. I mean

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Speaker 1: I perennially underrate the Bengals defensive ends, but they're really

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Speaker 1: good players. Henderson and Sam Hubbard are are both you know,

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Speaker 1: b plus is at the very least I would say

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Speaker 1: they have the best. Robin Yeah, I would agree with that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, is a good football player. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: he's above high Smith or Clowney to me, but not

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Speaker 1: by leaps and bounds. Although I'll say this, I spent

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Speaker 1: that twenty six pressures last year and I was like,

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Speaker 1: we're selling high Smith a little short. That was only

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Speaker 1: six lessons than Cam Hayward. Yeah, now it was half

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Speaker 1: the amount of t J. Watt had, So I mean

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Speaker 1: that's kind of where he loses, like everything, Well, t J. Watts,

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Speaker 1: you know he has fifty two. He had fifty two

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Speaker 1: pressures last year and twenty two have sacks. How many

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Speaker 1: sacks do you think if if high Smiths weren't playing

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Speaker 1: Would he have anyone? Would he have an extra three

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Speaker 1: Sam Hubbard mm hmm, and still getting the same blocking,

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Speaker 1: if or if he were playing Opic Garrett, you know,

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Speaker 1: what gets there really quickly. A lot of times he

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Speaker 1: finds the quarterback as well. Yeah. Um, it was one

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Speaker 1: of these edge rushing conversations are articles that was out,

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Speaker 1: but they mentioned Watt's eyes that he does a really

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Speaker 1: good job of quickly looking off his blocker to find

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Speaker 1: the quarterback and has become you know, he's turning pressures

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Speaker 1: into sacks at a very high rate, at a very

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Speaker 1: high rate. Yeah. Now that that's not an easy one,

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Speaker 1: and it's an interesting discussion. I would bet the Bengals

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Speaker 1: would say, you're being a little hard on us that

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Speaker 1: I don't agree with kid. I mean, I can't put

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Speaker 1: Henderson's not in the class of water gear. He's really good.

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Speaker 1: Bet if we had a Bengals fan sitting here, he'd

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Speaker 1: say that they'd say he's just a smidge below where

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Speaker 1: I think he's clearly a tier or two below. I

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Speaker 1: still think he's a two two B or a two A.

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Speaker 1: I should say, whereas what and Garrett or are one

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Speaker 1: as no matter where they are, no matter what. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, they're the best two addressers the league

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, right right. I mean, you could certainly

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Speaker 1: make that conment. They're they're certainly in the top three.

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Speaker 1: Hm and I would say Henderson is twelve Yeah, yeah, okay, okay.

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Speaker 1: This next one is really difficult because very good, because

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Speaker 1: it's just not very good. It's been like that's for

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Speaker 1: a couple of years. We've done these, you know, and

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Speaker 1: I think you could probably go through just about every

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Speaker 1: division in football and it would be like this, when's

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Speaker 1: the who's the best great linebacker in this division? I

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Speaker 1: mean true linebacker? While yeah, maybe, I mean, and that's

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Speaker 1: five years and Moseley was borderline Pro Bowler. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna give you perfect. You know, it's been

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Speaker 1: it's been a while there. They're just aren't that many

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Speaker 1: of those guys in the NFL, No, who are true

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Speaker 1: game changing inside linebackers. I mean, there's there's no, ray Lewis,

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Speaker 1: There's no no, right, you know, I think Fred Warner

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Speaker 1: the league or Leonard, But back in the Keik Lee, Wagner,

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Speaker 1: Lewis years, they wouldn't be right, Yeah, I mean the

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Speaker 1: DMEs Ferrier was really good. Yeah, but couldn't it might

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Speaker 1: be the best inside linebacker in the league right now,

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Speaker 1: had to get over Ray Lewis and you know guys

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Speaker 1: anyone at the top of the list of linebackers. I know,

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Speaker 1: Bobby Wagner is still in the league. That's an easy

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Speaker 1: Hall of Famer, And pretty much my entire lifetime, there's

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Speaker 1: been an easy Hall of Ame Mike backer in the

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Speaker 1: league at some point, you know what I mean. I

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Speaker 1: just think that, you know, with with teams throwing the

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Speaker 1: ball so much more, it just makes it so hard

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Speaker 1: on these guys. I think it those and they get manipulated.

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Speaker 1: There's all the deception and you know, play action and whatnot.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, let's rank them, Okay, So I went Bengals, Brown's, Steelers,

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Speaker 1: Ravens Okay, I don't have strong feelings on a ranking

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Speaker 1: I and that was just kind of I like, I

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Speaker 1: like Logan Wilson. Jermaine Pratt is just a guy. Yeah, Um,

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Speaker 1: Jeremiah Wilson Cormoa had a good half of a rookie season.

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Speaker 1: I'm very optimistic about him. But Anthony Walker's just a guy.

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Speaker 1: He's like right, you know, the Steelers have Miles Jack

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Speaker 1: and Devon Bush. Bush needs to bounce back. I think

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Speaker 1: Jack's pretty solid, but yeah, you know, cawing on Jack

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Speaker 1: to be a high end guy isn't a slam dunk,

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Speaker 1: the raven scoops a very good yeah, Patrick Patrick Queen,

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, he hasn't done that much yet and it's

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Speaker 1: what you're three for him. Yeah. And then next thing,

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Speaker 1: I think Josh Bonds is the better player the guy

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Speaker 1: kid doesn't play much. I mean l J. Ford played

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Speaker 1: a lot for them, not last year. He didn't he

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Speaker 1: get hurt, not last year. Recently recently though, but you know,

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Speaker 1: they did like they did with Queen, what the Steelers

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Speaker 1: are doing with Devin Bush. Don't make him the play

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Speaker 1: caller anymore. Take that on his plate to see if

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Speaker 1: he can make things easier for the guy. I wonder

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Speaker 1: if that's gonna be a trend throughout the league. You

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Speaker 1: know that you're plug and play first round linebacker. Let's

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Speaker 1: not give him everything at once, you know. Yeah. So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're all what in the bottom ten or twelve in

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Speaker 1: the whole league though probably well, I don't know. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Tell me who's good, right, I mean, I think to

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Speaker 1: your point, there's not like the forty Niners are good.

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Speaker 1: I think the you know, Colts and Colts have are good.

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Speaker 1: Outside of those, take like Buffalo's pairs better than in

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Speaker 1: the division. Yeah, I mean I'm thinking of guys that

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Speaker 1: are better than anyone in the division, Green Bay, Um, Tampa.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there's others, Saints. I mean, I'm just fitballing,

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Speaker 1: but I'm into the better ones. But there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of bad ones too. I mean the Falcons and I

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Speaker 1: mean there's some really bad ones. I mean, the Jaguars

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Speaker 1: drafted three guys that position this year, right, Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: know they're gonna have a bunch of rookies running around

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Speaker 1: that there. It's it's a really difficult position to fill,

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Speaker 1: it is, and it's a pretty difficult position to rank.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if we were doing one through thirty two

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Speaker 1: have much of a consensus. If we pulled, you know,

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Speaker 1: a hundred NFL analysts out there, it would be all

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Speaker 1: over the place. Yeah. The next group is is kind

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Speaker 1: what you're looking for the cornerback position, and I had

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Speaker 1: to consider I know we we talked about this earlier

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Speaker 1: in the week when we when when we're talking about

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Speaker 1: the teams that they had the I can't remember whose

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Speaker 1: tears of the cornerbacks. Well I took I put the

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Speaker 1: third corner in consideration here. I put the whole cornerback room.

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Speaker 1: I have the Ravens number one. Yeah, that's pretty undisputed. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the Steelers number two with CAZy added into that equation

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Speaker 1: jam counting CAZy is a safety, I'm I'm counting him

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Speaker 1: as both. Actually that's a little bit of a cheating well,

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Speaker 1: but that's that's what he does though. But what position

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Speaker 1: but I think you know, he could play nickel corner

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