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Speaker 1: S Lovely book Club. Hello the rock star.

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Speaker 2: My name is Miss Piggy.

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Speaker 3: What is your name? Well, hey there, little miss Piggy.

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Speaker 3: I'm Alice Cooper.

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Speaker 2: You're so sexy. By the way, I'm single right now,

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Speaker 2: Kermey and I.

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Speaker 3: Are on the Oaks. Well, his loss is my game.

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Speaker 3: You seem like a pretty cool chick. You wanna knock

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Speaker 3: back a little jack and hang out with my snake?

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Speaker 2: Champagne is more my drink, But sure, I would love

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Speaker 2: to go out with you.

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Speaker 1: Alice.

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Speaker 2: You look a little scary, but I like bad boys.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 3: You know, you seem like a fancy chick, but you

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Speaker 3: also like to get down and dirty.

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Speaker 1: Do you have a motorosecond?

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Speaker 2: I can be a bad girl too. Maybe I could

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Speaker 2: go be one of your groupies. It's not your concert.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, Miss Piggy, but I got to warn you.

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Speaker 3: Life on the old Ben Rode. It's not for the

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Speaker 3: fame of heart. We got hard music, even harder people, drugs, alcohol, partying,

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Speaker 3: late nights. Can you handle it?

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Speaker 1: Oh ma, let's rock and roll.

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Speaker 3: Who's that knocking at the door. It's all your friends,

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Speaker 3: you filthy horse. Your husband's gone and we've got books

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Speaker 3: and a bottle of wine to kill. It's Hollywood, it's books,

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Speaker 3: it's gossip. I'm shure, it's memoir, it's Martini.

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Speaker 1: Celebrity poop Club. Read it while it's hot.

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Speaker 3: Celebrity poop Club, Tell your secrets.

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Speaker 1: We won't talk celebrity books.

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Speaker 3: No boys are a loud Celet bo say it loud

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Speaker 3: and cloud Celebrity book Club.

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Speaker 1: Buzz me in. I brought the queer voe.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to rock radio. We're staving a lad. I'm ready

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Speaker 3: to roll. Yeah, no more, mister nice guy. School's out

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Speaker 3: for the winner and the summer because we fucked your

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Speaker 3: teacher and buried them in a cemetery.

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Speaker 1: I brought bots to this recording and we're gonna eat.

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Speaker 3: Them, and then I'm gonna rip off one of the

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Speaker 3: heads of the bats and spit it on the doorstep

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Speaker 3: of the president of IRT rating. That's so badass. What

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Speaker 3: rock star?

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Speaker 1: Wow, what a rock week. I just wanted to beat

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Speaker 1: rock concert last night.

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Speaker 3: That's so fucking a pro pos of this episode.

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Speaker 1: It is. And they were old rockers.

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Speaker 3: That's cool. What band did you say?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? So this cool old country band called Drive By

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Speaker 1: Truckers and.

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Speaker 3: It was a dope as show, This dope ass show.

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Speaker 1: They played till one a m. I was like, damn,

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Speaker 1: aren't you guys tired yet?

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Speaker 3: Were people like rocking? Were they like drinking whiskey or

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Speaker 3: was it kind of swaying with beer?

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Speaker 1: Definitely whiskey was present, and it was like couples, but

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Speaker 1: also just a lot of white men holding beers nodding.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so this is actually really interesting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, let's unpack those.

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Speaker 3: So guys are coming to this show either alone or

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Speaker 3: with their groups of guy friends, but like, it's not couples.

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Speaker 3: It's not like guys in their friends.

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Speaker 1: There were couples is and like, you guys have been

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Speaker 1: married for many years. But I feel like I was

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Speaker 1: seeing like guy friends who are probably like you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe they don't see each other that much. Right, something

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Speaker 1: happens to men and talk about this, Oh, I know.

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Speaker 3: Men don't struggle to maintain close friendships as they age.

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Speaker 1: Because they are afraid of the intimacy. They say, oh,

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Speaker 1: the wife will just text, yes, the wife of my

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Speaker 3: Right, And the wives text and the husbands don't, and

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Speaker 3: they just show up and it's really hard. And that's

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Speaker 3: need to call their friend up and say, hey, Dave,

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Speaker 3: I I.

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Speaker 1: Picked up some tickets for drive by Truckers. Want to come?

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Speaker 3: Thought maybe we could get a couple of beers see

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Speaker 3: a show.

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Speaker 1: Before the show at a bar, heard the most like

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Speaker 1: crazy man conversation that is very like do you guys

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Speaker 1: know each other? He was talking about how amazing France was,

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Speaker 1: and he was like, if you've been to Spain, the

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Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, you just go to these bars and

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Speaker 1: He's like, that's awesome. Yeah, I actually love burgers in France.

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Speaker 1: They taste a game ear. And then the third friend

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Speaker 1: been to Chicago?

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Speaker 3: Stop? Stop? You overheard this conversation. Yeah, this desperate attempt

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Speaker 3: to connect his men. I mean that's really sad. The

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Speaker 3: domestic friend just be like, oh, France, Yeah, Chicago's kind

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Speaker 1: I know you guys talking about France. But yeah, there's

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Speaker 3: I will say this though about the McDonald's in France

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Speaker 1: No, I would die to go to McDonald's in any

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Speaker 3: You can get.

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Speaker 1: Pasta out of McDonald's in Italy, a Chinese McDonalds. Are

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Speaker 1: you kidding me? The stuff they have there, it's probably

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Speaker 1: like fully like Kobe beef, yeah, Alfredo sliders.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the classics too.

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Speaker 1: Well, of course people love the classics anyway. Als to say,

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Speaker 1: I love men.

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Speaker 3: And we read a book by a man who loves

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Speaker 3: to play with femininity and kind in many ways.

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Speaker 1: Was a trailblazer, pure blazer for heavy metal, cross dressing.

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Speaker 3: Par metal, gothness, and some might say invented goth.

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Speaker 1: I would say literally a golf invented heavy metal. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: invented chock rock, Yeah, invented literally eyeliner on men.

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Speaker 3: No, I know and if you actually look at the timeline.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's say his name.

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Speaker 3: Alice Cooper and his book that we read, Golf Monster,

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Speaker 3: A rock and Roller's Life and Twelve Steps to Becoming

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Speaker 3: a Golf Addict. Okay, now he's the same. Let me know,

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Speaker 3: let me just say this.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you're gonna call this book random, but some of

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Speaker 3: I guess I was hoping and maybe, dear listener, you

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Speaker 3: is kind of like it's a way to advice that

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Speaker 1: He does get to golf gossip. If you're out there

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Speaker 1: saying I want the tea, Okay, there is golf gossip.

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Speaker 3: Is that a the tea?

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Speaker 1: The tea? Yeah, did you get that today?

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Speaker 3: Is that gonna be your new podcast?

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Speaker 1: Oh? What's the Tea? Yeah, but it's a golf podcast.

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Speaker 3: What's the Tea with Lily and Carmen its psito?

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Speaker 1: Wait iHeart listening? Can I get a spin.

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Speaker 3: Off the way that I'm getting to call tomorrow being

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Speaker 1: It's golf, pop culture and little known facts. Yeah, he

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Speaker 1: used this basically as a framing device, as you said,

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Speaker 1: to be like seven rules of like becoming a golf

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Speaker 1: I also thought that was, you know, fun you learn

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Speaker 1: out with Jackie Gleason, Dean Martin, Sammy Davis Junior, Groucho, Mark.

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Speaker 3: The Groucho, Marx Hang that is really funny. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: so he is from Michigan, He's from Detroit.

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Speaker 3: But then his dad also becomes a missionary, right.

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Speaker 3: the it's the sixties. It's the sixties, a time of

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Speaker 1: the Peter Gunn Soundtrack and the Mister Lucky Soundtrack, which

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Speaker 3: He loves Mancini the extent to which she's always like

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Speaker 3: listing Salvador Dolly as an influence that Salvador always almost

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but also grown up in Motown, Like it seems

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Speaker 3: and his brother is watching Friday Night boxing. There were

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Speaker 3: lots of Carling's black label beer and Lucky Strikes cigarettes.

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Speaker 3: lung cancer. My uncles were Damon Runyon type characters, tough

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Speaker 3: guys with colorful speech and fascinating stories. Uncle Jocko ran

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Speaker 3: It was a famous Detroit dump. During a hot game,

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Speaker 3: Well. Also, I love the part where he's like, yeah, sorry,

436
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,560
Speaker 3: back then, we were like working so hard for the label.

437
00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,439
Speaker 3: You'd have to be on contract to record two records

438
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 3: a year, not one every three years like they do nowadays.

439
00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,920
Speaker 1: I was thinking about that, but then I was like, wait, now,

440
00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,520
Speaker 1: I feel like country singers ahem, lu Combs and Morgan

441
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:33,680
Speaker 1: Wallen have now like taken that to like the too

442
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:35,840
Speaker 1: farthest level where it's like Morgan is putting out his

443
00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,399
Speaker 1: forty track album and you're like, babe, no one.

444
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,879
Speaker 3: Asks, well because that's just now this weird way to

445
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,120
Speaker 3: game the Spotify algorithm where you can have as many

446
00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:44,640
Speaker 3: songs as possible.

447
00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,320
Speaker 1: Instead of coming out with maybe like three twelve track

448
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:48,480
Speaker 1: albums a year.

449
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,399
Speaker 3: Right, which and again I'm not asking anyone to come

450
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,199
Speaker 3: with three twelve track albums a year, like you wouldn't

451
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,119
Speaker 3: never ask that, No, I wouldn't. But you know, you

452
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,480
Speaker 3: look at Aburyana, who was doing an album every year

453
00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:59,560
Speaker 3: for like eight years, and then she was like, I

454
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,920
Speaker 3: have to I have to go, and you're like, and

455
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 3: now we don't get any more Rihana new music because

456
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:05,199
Speaker 3: we ran her too hard, you know.

457
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,960
Speaker 1: And Alice just kept on going.

458
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,400
Speaker 3: But he's released like forty six studio albums. No, it's

459
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,560
Speaker 3: actually crazy. No one is as prolific as him.

460
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,360
Speaker 1: I was going through the albums and I would say,

461
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 1: like the first four and I was really into and

462
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,480
Speaker 1: then I think he then starts to try to copy

463
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 1: like more Motley Crue and that style, and that's kind

464
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,120
Speaker 1: of where I'm like, you're not doing this as well.

465
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,240
Speaker 3: So I think School's out to me, that's his biggest hit,

466
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,200
Speaker 3: Like that's the's I do that as a kid. I mean,

467
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,159
Speaker 3: it's like it's an iconic song. But I love the

468
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,879
Speaker 3: way he does talk about music in this book. So

469
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,159
Speaker 3: he goes. The song was called Schools Out, and the

470
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,959
Speaker 3: opening guitar riff was recorded to sound like someone shaking

471
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 3: their finger at you. No no na no no no,

472
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,920
Speaker 3: no no nana, So that was like supposed to evoke

473
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 3: this kind of finger waged, this protest in the face

474
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,639
Speaker 3: of authority, like a little kid Nana nanny in at

475
00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 3: the world, but done on guitar. We wanted to recreate

476
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,679
Speaker 3: thisarient's naughty vibe. I don't have to go to school anymore,

477
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 3: no more teachers, no more books, no more teachers, dirty looks.

478
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 1: It's a sexy, rocking song. And what's so funny about

479
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 1: his early traps, which were thought of is like so badass.

480
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 1: Then when he converts to Christianity later in the life,

481
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,399
Speaker 1: people are like, oh, man, like what's gonna happen to

482
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 1: Alice Cooper, Like you're so badass and like such a

483
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 1: shock rocker, And he's kind of like, my songs are

484
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 1: actually so grated, Like my biggest song is literally about

485
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 1: teens getting out of school and I'm eighteen, which also

486
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 1: in my mind I think of that as like an

487
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:40,159
Speaker 1: insanely badass song, but it's actually just about turning eighteen,

488
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,119
Speaker 1: like very.

489
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 3: It's kind of the prequel to Taylor Sweat twenty two.

490
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 1: I'm twenty two. Oh, it's like, yeah, actually turning eighteen?

491
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 1: Is it badass? Sure? But it's also like still gonna

492
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 1: be a pretty Christian song. And he says, which I

493
00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,639
Speaker 1: love this. This was very Rosiodonald to me and I

494
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 1: will in this. He goes, I'm a rocker who is Christian.

495
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 1: I'm not a Christian rocker. Yeah, and he's being like, what,

496
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 1: I can't be a rock can roll artist and Christian

497
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 1: at the same time, Like how rosso o'donald said, I'm

498
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 1: Rose o' donald. Okay, I'm gay, but that's seventh on my.

499
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 3: List being gay for me number nine, number nine on

500
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 3: my list.

501
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: I'm a mom, I'm a iHeart employee.

502
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:36,199
Speaker 3: When he decides to like start becoming a Christian rocker

503
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 3: and his manager is just being like Alice Cooper, like

504
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 3: you're supposed to be so badassing goth and metal, and

505
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 3: he's like, actually, the most punk thing I can do

506
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 3: right now would be become Christian because everyone's afraid of

507
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,120
Speaker 3: me doing it. It's like, and that's how I rebel

508
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 3: against the image I've created for myself.

509
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 1: You know in the audio, he was like, I was

510
00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:01,400
Speaker 1: about to do the most controversial thing anyone had ever done.

511
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 3: And then he literally this quote, who's the biggest rebel

512
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 3: to ever live Jesus Christ? And he'd just be getting

513
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 3: so youth pastor now. Yes.

514
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 1: So basically those songs are Christian and they're badass Christian songs,

515
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: and that's an inspo out there for anyone who is

516
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: Christian and a rocker. And well so then at the

517
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 1: end of the book, this is where I'm like, challenge

518
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: be a rich person and not start a scam college

519
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,120
Speaker 1: or center. Yeah, we've seen this with Andrea. I guess

520
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 1: you've seen this, Marina. It's not even built yet. He

521
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: starts about how he wants to build a college called

522
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 1: like Grand Canyon College that's like semi Christian, and then

523
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: he builds also a teen center called the Rock Center

524
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: that's a Christian center for teens in a bad neighborhood.

525
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,679
Speaker 1: And he's like, they can play basketball and pick up

526
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 1: a guitar.

527
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 3: It's the Boys and Girl Cup of America.

528
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's like, and we're not hitting them over

529
00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:00,199
Speaker 1: the head with Christianity, but there are spiritual guides the

530
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: center that they can be choug So.

531
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 3: Okay, it's like Jesuit.

532
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 1: It sounds very Boys and Girls Club.

533
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:12,360
Speaker 3: Jesuit goes I've read the Bible seven times and I'm.

534
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 1: Just barely barely getting in there.

535
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 3: He just loves the Good Book.

536
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 1: Okay, we should talk about golf though for a second.

537
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 3: So what happens, basically, as you can imagine, he gets

538
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 3: addicted to alcoholism or alcohol.

539
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 1: He's addicted to alcohol, which some may call alcoholism, right,

540
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: and what saves him is the game of golf. Because

541
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: golf is a fucking long ask game.

542
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 3: No, it takes you need like five hours hours. He's like,

543
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 3: if I have a long day ahead of me, I'll

544
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 3: start it out with five hours of golf. So I'll

545
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,199
Speaker 3: play golf from seven to twelve and then lunch and

546
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 3: then board studios and like sign books.

547
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: Oh then he's like ragging about how busy he is.

548
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: He's like, not only my running Grand Canyon College, having

549
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: a radio show on Serious XAM, touring across the country,

550
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 1: being a father, and playing ninety holes of golf.

551
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 3: Okay, So he has this thing with Elvis where he

552
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 3: finally meet He meets Elvis and he's like, it's so iconic,

553
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 3: and then Elvis is like, I won't show you something,

554
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,719
Speaker 3: and he's like, here's my gun. And then he's like,

555
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 3: this is weird. And then Elvis does this weird thing

556
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,199
Speaker 3: where he like he's like point the gun at me,

557
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 3: and Alice Cooper points Elvis's gun at him, and then

558
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 3: Elvis does some weird like karate move where he like

559
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 3: gets him on the floor and is like and.

560
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 1: The gun is loaded too. It's very like what happens

561
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 1: to you when you have a residency in Vegas and

562
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: become the most famous person in the world.

563
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 3: And then and then he goes, I won't show you

564
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 3: something that's real special to me, and he like pulls

565
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 3: into his bedroom. He pulls up this police report from

566
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 3: his bedside table, and the police report is all about

567
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 3: how Elvis like beat up these random guys who like,

568
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 3: we're trying to hassle him as they were like ragging

569
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 3: Alice and Alice Cooper's like, and I realized this was

570
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 3: actually like him like one of the only times that

571
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 3: he was interacting with reality and like interacting with real

572
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 3: people without his handlers around, and he was like he

573
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 3: was so excited by this one moment of realness in

574
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 3: his life. No, it makes you think just so lonely, Brittany.

575
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like when that whole Vegas residency where

576
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 1: she was so vacant and was like in her conservatorship,

577
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: It's like that was Elvis was also basically like in

578
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: a conservatory.

579
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:33,479
Speaker 4: I know.

580
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 3: And it's like, and now she's just permanently damaged.

581
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: But someone who started Vegas residencies but kept friends around,

582
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: who seems to be a totally cool cat Alice Cooper,

583
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: the one and only Frank Sinatra.

584
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and Frank is still.

585
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: He meets Frank at a celebrity softball game and he

586
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: lets this, So there's this guy Jilly Rizzo who owned

587
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: a Sinatra's favorite book in the sixties.

588
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 3: Wait, also was Frank Sinatra like famously like very abusive

589
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 3: to all his golf friends.

590
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: Actually no, he was a womanizer, but not abusive. Good

591
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: for him, yeah, wonderful, But yeah he lets some like

592
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: Sinatra's like Compadre's like kid watch a celebrity golf game

593
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: and then Sinatra sings one of Alice Cooper's ballads. Later

594
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: on Sinatra's fantasy like anti rock, and then he like

595
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: accepted it later on in his life and came out

596
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: with the album Duets.

597
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 3: I mean, Alice Cooper's music does like shift around wildly,

598
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 3: Like you listen to one of his random albums for

599
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 3: the eighties and we were just kind of like, okay,

600
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 3: so now this is like all being like slow eighties

601
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 3: ballads and then some are like way more like hair metal,

602
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 3: and then some are way more like almost folk.

603
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: And I mean, when you're putting out that many albums,

604
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: you have to switch it up. But he also he

605
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: talks about the ballads and he's like, oh, I realized,

606
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: like women went crazy for my ballads he needed to do, so, yeah,

607
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 1: I need to do these of corny chick ballads. All

608
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: us who stay is married throughout this his entire he's

609
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: still married to the same woman. The only time he

610
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: almost has a chance as Raquel Welch is into him,

611
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: and then he's like.

612
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 3: Sorry, I'm more into this dancer Thanquel, and everyone's like, what, You're.

613
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: Crazy, crazy, How could you leave Raquel Welch. He's the

614
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: sexiest woman alive. So I started golfing While Stephen looks

615
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: for a quote, My first golf experience was with my

616
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: father as we took my sister to a horse show

617
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: and it smelled like manure and I was so bored.

618
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: And there was a driving ranch and my dad said,

619
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: go to the driving ranch. Wow.

620
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, And you're like, wait, this is what I've always

621
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 3: want And.

622
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: Like how I would say golf for maybe Alice made

623
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: him like accepted into this like old world casino culture.

624
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: The whole reason why I go to the driving range

625
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: and why to do it because I was like, oh,

626
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: this will make me be a man. Met choose the

627
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: most like cigar Scotch and driving range culture is also

628
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: sow this thing of like, oh, yeah, we're having bucket

629
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: of beers, right.

630
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 3: There's that iconic scene, the sweetest thing where they're driving range.

631
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: With beers, with beers before the wedding.

632
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

633
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: And I've only now, of course played in my one.

634
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: I've played two nine hole courses that were more like

635
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: bucket of beers, and then I did play the eighteen

636
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: whole course in Ireland where I did have to wake

637
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: up at six am, and it was.

638
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 3: Really very Alice Cooper schedule.

639
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: It was full Elice Cooper schedule and also it was

640
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: current Alice Cooper schedule because there was no.

641
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 3: Beers, just just sober to the boots morning of the wedding.

642
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, boarding of the wedding. Uh, And I mean maybe

643
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: it worked. I didn't really drink much the day before

644
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: because I was like, I have to wake up at

645
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: five am in Mona hunt to the Monahan Country Club.

646
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 3: And again finding the part where he talks about how

647
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 3: he's like, I don't know why people love golfing so

648
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 3: much in like Scotland, just because they invented golf with her,

649
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 3: it's cold, it's windy, it's weird. He was like, I'd

650
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 3: rather be golfing in Arizona with one of those misting

651
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 3: machines on my golf cart, in the nice dry hair.

652
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: So Republican and just be And it's like Alice is

653
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: very good and he gets sponsored by Callaway and he

654
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: does this so that's like, yeah, it's a golf club company.

655
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: They also sell like hats and shirts and stuff like that.

656
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: But Alice does this whole thing about how Callaway is

657
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: like the only golf company to go in a limb

658
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: and like sponsor alcoholics, like let.

659
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 3: Like everyone who plays golf is not is not like

660
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 3: the most red face like doused in brandy Republicans.

661
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: And he's like John Daly, who is a gambling and alcoholic.

662
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: They said, you know what, you go with Alice and

663
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: you play with your Calaway clubs and he's being like, oh, Alice,

664
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: I would love a beer right now. And he's like, no, John,

665
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: have another coke. And then he's like Callaway changed the game,

666
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: and like this is where we're talking about sports. Callaway

667
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,959
Speaker 1: was the first company to change drivers from wood to metal.

668
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, it's easier.

669
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: It's way easier because he talked about with the wooden things.

670
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: What is he called? He uses some phrase when you

671
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: hit a golf ball wrong, and it's so embarrassing and

672
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: your entire arms starts shaking.

673
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 3: Seems like you don't know the phrase miss golf, which

674
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 3: brings us to our next segment. How does she swing?

675
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,719
Speaker 3: Let's see if Lily the golf master apparently who's played

676
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 3: two nine hole courses and one eighteen hole. Let's go,

677
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 3: let's see if you know actually anything about this game

678
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 3: that you literally love. Yeah, okay, what is par?

679
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: I will tell you this. Par is the number of

680
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: times that it is supposed to take you to finish

681
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: the hole. So if one if let's say, number of

682
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: times number of hits? Okay, okay, So let's say, oh,

683
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: you're on hole three and it's a par four. That

684
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: means it should take you four hits. But if it

685
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: takes you over that, then that's bad and that there's

686
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: definitely another word for that that I don't know. And

687
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,760
Speaker 1: this is all related to your handicap, right.

688
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, what is chipping?

689
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: Chipping is when you hit a ball a short distance?

690
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 3: Okay literally you knowing? Yeah? Oops, okay, Yeah, it's like

691
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 3: giving pot vibes.

692
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: It's pot vibes. But it's also like, and this is

693
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: where you want to use maybe a wedge or a

694
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: three iron. You're like, oh, You're like, oh, well, I

695
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: don't want to slam this over and use too much power,

696
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: because golf is about it's knowing the distance. So you're like,

697
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: let me wedge this over, pop it up a few yards.

698
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 3: Miss club, I'm sure? Okay? Yes or no? Will you

699
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 3: ever see a picture of Tiger Woods finishing a drive

700
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 3: with his hands high and over his head? No? Correct, Yes,

701
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 3: you finish high after the swing, which I'm a little like,

702
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 3: what does that mean?

703
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 2: Well?

704
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 1: I think that means you don't.

705
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 3: Like you're bringing the golf. If you bring it all the.

706
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:22,280
Speaker 1: Way back, that means you're like wasting energy for the swing.

707
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 3: Yes or no? You should always put your hands behind

708
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 3: the ball.

709
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: No.

710
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:29,760
Speaker 3: Correct.

711
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: I learned that actually in this book. I need to

712
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: put this into my game.

713
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 3: Can you name the seven basic swings according to Johnny Miller?

714
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: Oh god, okay.

715
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 3: One of them is also the name of a haircut

716
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 3: that a gig guy gets.

717
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: Oh, the fade high Fade, high Fade, the strong whip, Nope,

718
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: the lick thirty, the Arnold seven yep, the twisted Tea,

719
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: and the Trulyia, the Trulia, the white claw promegranate. Wait

720
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: that one part in it when he starts like listing

721
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: the price of beer at the Hawaii Golf Club and

722
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: he's just like, yeah, so actually bears were eight at

723
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 1: the Hawaii Golf Club and my tab was fifteen hundred dollars.

724
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 3: Well, that's when he says that he loves this is

725
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 3: like before he says like, Maui is the seconst place

726
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 3: to golf, because you haven't, He's like, and then you

727
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 3: go and you sun yourself.

728
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 1: I want to list a few of the celebrities that

729
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: he plays with, because he talks about how he does

730
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: do the celebrity golf tournament, which is just all celebrities,

731
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: and he's like, yeah, I'm actually not into getting really

732
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: big names from my celebrity golf tournament. I'm into more

733
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:42,720
Speaker 1: like random celebrities.

734
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 3: There's a photo of here of him teaching some putting

735
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 3: tips to tennis great Venus Williams. There's another photo of

736
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 3: him and Darius Rucker and Justin Timberlake at the two

737
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 3: thousand and six Bob Hope Chrysler Classic Classic. Darius Rucker,

738
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 3: Daris Rucker, Justin Timberlake, Alice Cooper. I would love. I

739
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 3: would go to that.

740
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: Concert absolutely, And that's where we need to mix.

741
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 3: Genres or I totally agree.

742
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 1: Wait and then he gets a deal with Callaway via

743
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: that guy Arless who had that show on HBO.

744
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 3: Wait Arless, that show with the money signs in it.

745
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: Yes, and he's like it was actually at a VH

746
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: one charity game called fair Way to Heaven that Arless

747
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: introduced me to the Calaway reps. And I'm like, this

748
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: is the life I want, this is why I'm learning

749
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: the seven. So Arless one day we'll introduce.

750
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 3: You, introduce you to the reps that will give you

751
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 3: the deal that you need, Yeah to take your career

752
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 3: to the next level. One thing that was also very

753
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 3: Anthony Ketis about this book was that when he meets

754
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 3: his wife, she's eighteen.

755
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: Eighteen and I don't know what I want eighteen and

756
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: it's like it looks like he didn't know what he wants.

757
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: We should talk about how you've literally met Alice Cooper.

758
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, weird that I haven't brought that up yet. Yeah.

759
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,959
Speaker 3: So the first celebrity I ever met in my life,

760
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 3: which kind of got me on track to Monday going

761
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 3: to book signings with my friend Lily and then one

762
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 3: day starting a podcast about the Ray members was literally

763
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 3: me meeting Alice Cooper when I was about ten years

764
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 3: old at a little thing called Spooky World. Now, if

765
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 3: you're from the New England area you may be familiar,

766
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 3: but Spooky World was a Halloween event park.

767
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, basically a spooky themed kind of six Flags but

768
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: rides and haunted house.

769
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 3: It was season Also, it was up for about a

770
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 3: month that it was like was it in New Hampshire

771
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 3: or it was.

772
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: In New Hampshire. You know, my cousin once did all

773
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: the electrics.

774
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 3: For Wow, I'm impressed.

775
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, And also I feel like this is so like

776
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: scary mass news like once of course someone as sick

777
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: of the head person posted as an employee because they're

778
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 1: supposed to scare you going through you know, the haunted house,

779
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,720
Speaker 1: and they did go ahead and hurt someone.

780
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:02,959
Speaker 3: Uh but no one died.

781
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: I don't think so, question Mark.

782
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 3: Somebody was hurt. What Yeah, at Spoky World, very spooky. No,

783
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 3: there's like a haunted hay ride. I remember like, did

784
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 3: you stand in line? How to okay? But so yeah,

785
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 3: So the Alice Cooper thing was there with my my nanny, Heather,

786
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 3: who famously was my like cool, badass nanny who took

787
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 3: me to Blue Man Group and had the torriama was

788
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 3: supposed on her wall and was writ into dragons.

789
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: A few other things.

790
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 3: She did a few other things that we'll talk about

791
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 3: her the VIP with her Comazotra book. But she took

792
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 3: me to Spooky World and was like, you're gonna meet

793
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 3: Alice Cooper. And I had no idea who he was, obviously,

794
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 3: but of course I remember standing in line and he's

795
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,240
Speaker 3: there in this little like hot shack thing at Spooky World,

796
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 3: and he's got the long hair and it's so like

797
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 3: crimped and dry, so dry and he and he's got

798
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 3: the eyeliner on and he looks like he's three hundred

799
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 3: years old. I mean, he's got like the you know,

800
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 3: the the Keith Richards, like deep deep lines in his

801
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 3: face and with the leather jacket, and he's like he's goth,

802
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 3: he's glam And I'm like, damn, this guy is crazy looking.

803
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 3: And I got his autograph and he got his signed

804
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 3: photo or whatever, and he was like, you got eight

805
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 3: by time, yeah, and I was just and I knew,

806
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 3: but I could see that. I was like, but he's famous. Yeah,

807
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 3: You're like, no, this is And that's what's cool. It's

808
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 3: like the fact that I don't know who he is

809
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 3: doesn't matter because like clearly people are excited to literally

810
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 3: just get his autograph. And that's what sparked it in me.

811
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: It's all to Alice.

812
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,720
Speaker 3: Just the idea that being near someone was worth waiting.

813
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 3: I thought I'd never occurreged to me until then, and

814
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, this is culture.

815
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: This is it Alice Coopert's spooky world.

816
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 3: And then, to be honest, I never really followed up

817
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 3: on like who he was. I never like learned about

818
00:40:46,920 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 3: him until this week CE segment full summer. What does

819
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 3: she eat?

820
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 1: How does she live?

821
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 3: What does she wear? How?

822
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 1: Let's see how does she live? First? Because he lives

823
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 1: literally in Arizona for golf.

824
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I'm picturing.

825
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,720
Speaker 1: I think it's some glass tables, glass table.

826
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,760
Speaker 3: Leather couches, maybe black leather.

827
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: I feel like you. No, he has a rock and

828
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: roll zone with like a black leather couch and then

829
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: a room aframed of all of his records. But I

830
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: feel like Cheryl has control.

831
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 3: So it's maybe more an earth.

832
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 1: Tone in the formal living room. H and then he

833
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: has like his.

834
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 3: Epic and thermal dining room has like the biggest, heaviest,

835
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 3: longest table.

836
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: That maybe is glass that's super long for their children.

837
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: Calico and Alice Cooper to me, seems way more stable

838
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: than someone another rocker, kiss Gene Simmons, who seems who's

839
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 1: always been sober, but it's like really controlling and seems

840
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: like kind of just like angry and unsettled.

841
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 3: Well, there's I think that there's like a false like

842
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 3: level of control that Gene Simmons feels that he has

843
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 3: because he's like I've never I've never hit rock bottom.

844
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 3: I've always been in control. And so he's actually never

845
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 3: had to confront yes, the demons that Alice had to

846
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,280
Speaker 3: confront when he went to rehab many times and relapsing

847
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 3: come back.

848
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: I think the bed is super high, just to get

849
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 1: how does she live?

850
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 3: And because we're in this earth tone sofa places, I'm

851
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 3: gonna go ahead and say that it is being like

852
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 3: a classic like Adobe style, yes, and like Spanish style

853
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 3: whatever hacienda in the Greater Phoenix area.

854
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: And I feel like golf games are just on mute

855
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: on the nine inch yeah, absolutely, ninety nine inches. How

856
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: does she live? Yeah, Cheryl's whipping up a dover soul.

857
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 3: You know she eat?

858
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: How does she eat?

859
00:42:55,600 --> 00:43:00,760
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, Arizona fresh soil.

860
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: I feel like he's kind of a foodie, even though

861
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: he doesn't mention.

862
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 3: It, like no, because he didn't eat for so long

863
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 3: as an alcoholic, Like he never gained an interest in it.

864
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 3: He eats now. I think he's still at this point

865
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,720
Speaker 3: where he's like, hey, it's it's cool that I'm eating,

866
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 3: Like every day above ground is a good one. I'm like, sure,

867
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 3: I'll have this buffalo chicken wrap.

868
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: I guess when I say foody, I think he is

869
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: going to an Arizona Tuscan grill.

870
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, classic foody destination and for.

871
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 1: Them, and he's getting and it's getting a balsamic steak

872
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,280
Speaker 1: a la piazza.

873
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 3: Okay specifically, not a fujie. He's not going to that

874
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 3: like place that like amazing pizza. It's a pizza bianco

875
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 3: whatever that invented farm to Crust. No, he's not doing.

876
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: But I bet if I, you know, do a game

877
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: with him and I say, hey, Alice, would you want

878
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,280
Speaker 1: to go to pizza Bianca with me? You would?

879
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 3: You know what he is though, because he's so sober,

880
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 3: he's so like di cocon lemonade.

881
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: Yes, wait, he does like twelve diet cokes a day.

882
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe he likes I'll say it, Nantucket nectars.

883
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 1: Oh you came to play? And do you think he

884
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 1: makes his own Arnold Palmers.

885
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 3: Which is half lemonade, half iced tea.

886
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, named after the famous golfer.

887
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 3: I think that Cheryl maybe is getting a jug going.

888
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 1: Okay, she has a picture, yeah, in a beautiful picture.

889
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 3: He has got a long day of like six hours

890
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 3: of golf and then a lot of recording. I just

891
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 3: don't see him squeezing lemons.

892
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 1: No, I think you're right, Yeah, not squeezing lemons, but

893
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: Cheryl will have it because I think Cheryl just kind

894
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: of is at the home. Yeah, what does he wear?

895
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: I feel like on golf days when he's not doing

896
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 1: the eyeliner.

897
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 3: Well, now that he's like this Christian youth faster like,

898
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 3: I do feel like he's kind of like two thousand

899
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 3: and six, such the temper leak style and being kind

900
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 3: of like skinny whiskered jeans and like a button down

901
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 3: but still doing some like necklaces and goth accents.

902
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then we'll just probably do like white Nike,

903
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 1: Polo Khaki shorts, ponytail visor. Yes, yes, oh no, I

904
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,720
Speaker 1: do see him in a theory button down, a black

905
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: Fury button down when they go to the Arizona Dusk it.

906
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 3: When they go to Altascana. Yeah, theory theory.

907
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 1: I said it. Who are you? In the book?

908
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 3: I identified with him like being pretentious and linking James

909
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:38,879
Speaker 3: Bond or whatever. But I also.

910
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: I think you are you Groucho Marks. Oh, and you

911
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: have all these people accidentally on staff that you're paying Groutro.

912
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 3: I am groutcher Marks because Groucha Marks is being such

913
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 3: a bitch. Wait Okay, so they're watching old movies. I

914
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 3: go over and sit next to Groucho with a six

915
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 3: pack of Budweiser while he sat up in bed with

916
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 3: his beret and his cigar. The TV was always on,

917
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 3: usually some classic Hollywood film. See that guy there, this macho,

918
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 3: handsome cowboy actor in some old movie. He's gay. Like

919
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 3: I'm just watching on movies being like he's gay. That's

920
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 3: so mean, Like he's gay eighty five, watching like clips

921
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 3: of like twenty sixteen debates with Corey Booker. It's just

922
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 3: on in the back and back on, just being like

923
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 3: he's gay. People didn't know it, but he's.

924
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: Like they said it. No, let me pull up pull

925
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: up that Atlantic article for me.

926
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 3: Uh so you are? I think, so you're You're the

927
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 3: cousin of me in the book. If I have one

928
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 3: ground from Marks, I.

929
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 1: Mean, honestly, I'm urless. I'll say it. I'm rless at

930
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: the VH one fair Way to Heaven and I've always

931
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: wanted to meet Alice and like this is my inn

932
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 1: and I'm just like Alice sub I'm arless.

933
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 3: At the end of the day, I give this book

934
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,959
Speaker 3: two and a half five irons, like out of five.

935
00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 3: I kind of wanted I wanted both more. Other wanted

936
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 3: to be more of a golf hand book where I'm

937
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 3: learning more about all golf, or I wanted it to

938
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 3: be more of, like, you know, a memoir with pathos

939
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 3: and anger and self reflection. And it was kind of

940
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 3: just like this, breezy like welp, and then we did this.

941
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 3: But golf is kind of kind of fun and silly.

942
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: I'm giving a three point two Scottish golf course out

943
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: of five because of all the references to me where

944
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: it was like, this is a book about me meeting

945
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 1: actors from Hill Street Blues and playing golf with them. Yeah,

946
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: and turning that into a book because I can, because

947
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 1: I'm Elis Cooper.

948
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 3: And that confidence, no, it's the confidence is inspiring and

949
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 3: I was I was happy to like learn a little

950
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 3: bit more about this man who actually has been secretly

951
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 3: so influential.

952
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: Exactly and just to think and it made me go

953
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 1: through his catalog more and I'm gonna keep on doing it.

954
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was listening to Elf Cooper all last night.

955
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 3: Real fun. Not not dinner time music, but good dinner.

956
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:04,760
Speaker 1: Prep music, very good dinner prep. Yeah, if you're into Alice,

957
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: if you've gotten into it, I have actually another metal

958
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: wreck for you. There it comes Pentagram Pentacle. Pentagram.

959
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 3: Pentagram is actually a design agency.

960
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 1: And Lily anyway, I'm gonna make you a metal mix

961
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: and I can't wait for your new metal era.

962
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 3: Really so authentically metal I am.

963
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: I'm authentically golf. I'm authentically medal at the end of

964
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: the day. One of the biggest posers you'll ever meet.

965
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 3: And on that note, Bade.

966
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 4: Celebrity Book Club was produced by Darby Masters supervising producer

967
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 4: and editor Me and him once chow to follow Whiskey

968
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 4: and then eight Cats. Christina Everett is an executive producer

969
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:03,240
Speaker 4: and she's one badass chick. She actually runs a golf

970
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 4: club in Tempe, Arizona. But he and Frasier did the engine.

971
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 4: Nearing man is he gonnat golf? One day we'll play

972
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 4: together at a celebrity charity tournament for Christian teams. Ted

973
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 4: yim Lanks did the artwork. Such a cool artist. I'm

974
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 4: super inspired and I want to get one of.

975
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Speaker 1: His pieces in my home with my beautiful wife. Stephen

976
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: Phillips hosted a rock and theme song. This podcast was

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Speaker 1: co created with pro rog proacts,