1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio news. This is the Bloomberg 2 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: Daybreak podcast, available every morning on Apple, Spotify or whatever 3 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: you listen. It's Wednesday, the tenth of July in London. 4 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: I'm Caroline Hepkin. 5 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 2: And I'm Stephen Carroll. Coming up today, Kirstarmer says Ukraine 6 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 2: can use UK missiles to strike inside Russia as he 7 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 2: arrives in Washington for his first NATO summit. 8 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: Democrats come out in support of Joe Biden as questions 9 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: over his candidacy persists. 10 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:38,480 Speaker 2: Plus circumventing the nimbi's for a price, Our exclusive reporting 11 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 2: finds that UK homebuilders are splashing cash in a bid 12 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 2: to bypass the UK's planning system. 13 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 1: Let's start with a round up of our top stories. 14 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 2: UK Prime Minister Kirstarmer says it's up to Ukraine how 15 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 2: it uses Britain's storm Shadow missiles in the Russia Ukraine War, 16 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 2: including whether the long range weapons are used to strike 17 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 2: military targets inside Russia quote for defensive purposes. It confirms 18 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 2: the Labor government will continue the previous UK government's policy 19 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 2: on the Russia Ukraine War. Starma was speaking to a 20 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 2: Bloomberg reporter and other journalists on the plane on his 21 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 2: way to the NATO summit in Washington. There is a 22 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 2: debate among NATO allies about whether Ukraine can strike military 23 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 2: targets inside Russia, something the Krowlin has previously called a 24 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 2: very dangerous statement. It's expected to be a central issue 25 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 2: discussed at the NATO summit. 26 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 3: Well. 27 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: During the summit, Kirs Starma is expected to say that 28 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: a step up in defense spending can safeguard the future 29 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: of the alliance. He says, the UK is committed to 30 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: reassessing its current defense budgets. 31 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 4: We will carry out our strategic review to look at 32 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 4: the challenges, the capabilities and on the back of that 33 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 4: make further plaids. I am committed to that two point 34 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 4: five percent within our physical rules. That strategic review needs 35 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 4: to come first. 36 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: Starma also promised to publish a road map showing how 37 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: the UK would get to that two and a half 38 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:04,279 Speaker 1: percent target on defense spending. After facing calls for further 39 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: clarity from British military and foreign allies, the Prime Minister 40 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: went on to tell reporters that the country will quote 41 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 1: stand against Russian aggression. The UK is one of NATO's 42 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: biggest spenders and has been a key supplier of arms 43 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: to Ukraine since Russia's invasion. 44 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 2: NATO allies are offering Ukraine more defense systems and a 45 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 2: fresh pledge of support. The US, Germany, and Romania will 46 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 2: each send Ukraine a Patriot missile system, while a fourth 47 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 2: will be assembled using parts from the Netherlands and others. 48 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 2: Italy will send a ground based air defense system. Speaking 49 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 2: during the NATO summit and Washington, President Joe Biden promised 50 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 2: to prioritize Ukrainian aid nine. 51 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 3: States, We'll make sure when we export critical air defense interceptors, 52 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 3: Ukraine goes to the front of the line, so we'll 53 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 3: get this assistance before anyone else gets. You all tall 54 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 3: Ukraine will receive hundreds of additional interceptions over the next year. 55 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 3: Help me protect Ukrainian cities against. 56 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 2: Russian missiles, President Biden, speaking there at a NATO seventy 57 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 2: fifth anniversary celebratory event. Despite the commitment, the group's leaders 58 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 2: resisted offering the country a path to membership, despite growing 59 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 2: concerns over the prospect of peace with Russia. Some pledges 60 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 2: to send defense systems, including those from the US, Italy 61 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:27,399 Speaker 2: and Romania, had already been announced. Prior to the NATO summits. 62 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: As Biden made that Nator announcement, Congressional Democrats argued over 63 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: whether to stand behind his re election bid. More House 64 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: Democrats and a Senator have now publicly called on the 65 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:43,119 Speaker 1: president to step aside. Pete Aquila chairs the Democrat Caucus 66 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: and spoke after a closed door meeting. 67 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 5: Every single member of the House Democratic Caucus is clear 68 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 5: eyed about what the stakes of this election are. Donald 69 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 5: Trump cannot be allowed near the Oval office. 70 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: Pete Aquila said. They are focused now on beating Donald Trump. 71 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: The White House are trying to change the subject from 72 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: the President's mental sharpness to Donald Trump's policy goals. Many 73 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: Democrats pointed to the Heritage Foundation's Project twenty twenty five 74 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 1: as proposals Trump would pursue if elected in November. Trump 75 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: has tried to distance himself from the controversial set of. 76 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 2: Policies Former French Prime Minister Edward Philippe's calling for center 77 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 2: and center right parties to form a coalition government. It 78 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 2: comes as political negotiations take place following a snap election 79 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 2: in which no political grouping achieved an outright majority. The 80 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 2: left wing alliance New Popular Front now has the most 81 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 2: lawmakers in the National Assembly, followed by President Macron's Centrist 82 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 2: alliance and the far right National Rally. It's now up 83 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 2: to Macron to choose a prime minister, with no defined 84 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 2: deadline in place. 85 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: Now, Jerome Powell says that the US labor market has 86 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: cooled considerably and the FED needs more data to assess 87 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: whether inflation is slowing. The FED chair was careful not 88 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: to give Congress a timeline for inter rate cuts. In 89 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: his semi annual testimony, he warned that inflation is not 90 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: the only risk facing the US. 91 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 6: This is no longer an overheated economy. This is an economy, 92 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 6: as I mentioned in my opening remarks, that is more 93 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 6: or less back by most measures to where it was 94 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 6: before the pandemic, and that was a strong labor market, 95 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 6: but it was not an overheated labor market. 96 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 1: Powell will speak again to the House Financial Services Committee 97 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: later today. Democrats warned Powell of the potential risks to 98 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 1: the economy from delaying interest rate cuts, pointing to rising unemployment, 99 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: elevated housing costs, and a slow down in the manufacturing sector. 100 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:39,919 Speaker 2: China's consumer prices hovered near zero for a fifth month 101 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 2: in June. Is deflation stocks that Chinese economy. The data 102 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,039 Speaker 2: comes ahead of a key policy meeting of the ruling 103 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 2: Communist Party next week. Bloomberg's Brian Curtis has more from 104 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 2: Hong Kong. 105 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 7: Yet another sign that deflation is stocking the Chinese economy. 106 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 7: The CPI rose zero point two percent from a year earlier, 107 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 7: weaker than the estimate of zero point four percent. In 108 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 7: the meantime, factory gate prices declined zero point eight percent, 109 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 7: in line with estimates. The PPI has been in deflation 110 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 7: since late twenty twenty two. China's economy is uneven, some 111 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 7: strength in manufacturing, some weakness in consumption. Investors are hoping 112 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 7: for a fix from the Third Planum next week in 113 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 7: On Kong, Brian Curtis Bloomberg Radio. 114 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 2: In a moment, we'll have more on that NATO summit 115 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 2: and Ukraine, as well as Bloomberg's special report on the 116 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 2: UK's dysfunctional planning system. But first, another story that caught 117 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 2: our eye this morning. Do you think that in hundreds 118 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 2: of years people might be able to come back from 119 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 2: the dead? Cryogenic freezing Once considered a mad cap idea, 120 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 2: it's now just considered slightly eccentric. According to one of 121 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 2: the people who spoke to our colleagues for this Bloomberg 122 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 2: reporting about how people are not only preparing to freeze 123 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 2: themselves but also preparing to freeze their assets so they've 124 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 2: got some cash when they come back. 125 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: Absolutely, this is perhaps the most important question. I think 126 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 1: this is a really nice piece because people trying to 127 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: do this trying to adapt the trust, the rules around 128 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: trusts and inheritance usually for wealthy, multi generational dynasties, and 129 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: try to convert that to something that you could use 130 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: if you manage to come back to life in two 131 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: or three hundred years type. I mean, one of the 132 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: fundamental issues is are you actually dead if you are preserved, 133 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: and are you actually you if you then come back again, 134 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: you know, if you're revived, let's say, are you the 135 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: same person? It's actually quite tricky, and the piece goes 136 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: into all the detail with the few lawyers have been 137 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: looking into it. 138 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an emerging area of law revival trusts, like 139 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 2: trying to get around the usual lifespan on trust That 140 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 2: turns to me about ninety two hundred years Ppently of Florida, 141 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 2: you can have a one thousand year trust, So that's 142 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 2: something that lawyers have been looking at very keenly. 143 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: Now. NATO allies have promised five long range air defense 144 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: systems for Ukraine, but have resisted offering the country a 145 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: path to membership. This at the start of the meeting 146 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: in Washington and Prime Minister Kirstarma says that it's up 147 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: to Ukraine how it uses Britain's donated storm Shadow missiles, 148 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: the first time the new prime minister has clearly articulated 149 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: his stance joining US now. Is Bimberg's UK Politics reporter 150 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: James Warcock. This is some of our own reporting here 151 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: speaking to Keir Starmer. We've been really wondering what might 152 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: change about UK foreign policy under the new Labor prime minister. 153 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: This is confirmation there doesn't seem to be any change 154 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: on the Ukraine War if anything. 155 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 8: As well as noted, it's a commitment to continuing the 156 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 8: UK government's previous stance of being one of the staunchest 157 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 8: hawks in Europe when it comes to supporting Ukraine. You'll know, Kallex, 158 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 8: we cover it recently that these defends secretly. John Healey 159 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 8: made his trip on his second day in the jobs 160 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 8: Ukraine over the weekend and promised additional munitions, boats, artillery, 161 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 8: and some of these storm Shadow missile are effectively cruise 162 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 8: missiles which have a range of one hundred and fifty 163 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 8: five miles, So from Kiev you could just about get 164 00:08:57,679 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 8: over the Russian border. Obviously if you went further east 165 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 8: you could also reach further into Russia. Like you say, 166 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 8: this has been a very tense international issue because for Ukraine, 167 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 8: who I mean just as soon as this past week 168 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 8: have been hit by cruise missiles in their capital, killing 169 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 8: forty one civilians and also hitting a children's hospital. They 170 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 8: see hitting Russia as a key part of defending themselves 171 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 8: for the US. They see escalating tensions with Russia, especially 172 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 8: with Western made weaponry, as a key red line. Now, 173 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 8: like you say, Sunak stance for a very long time 174 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 8: when he was Prime Minister was if Ukraine used the 175 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 8: missiles to their own ends, and they've been donated to 176 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 8: end to use of their defense, that is not business 177 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 8: of the British states. Now that is a very kind 178 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,559 Speaker 8: of opaque stance that sort of says, if it ends 179 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 8: up in Russia, we'd rather it didn't, but it's not 180 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 8: our issue now. Crucially, Emmanuel Macran in May of this 181 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 8: year said he would actively be okay with French missiles 182 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 8: because the storm shadows are Franco British project ending up 183 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 8: in Russia. So it is no change, but no change 184 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 8: in some ways is a stronger commitment as we end 185 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 8: up in sort of heading into the second year of 186 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 8: this war. 187 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 2: And this of course one of the things how NATO 188 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 2: allies in particular can support to Ukraine. One of the 189 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:16,959 Speaker 2: issues up for a discussion that the summit taking place 190 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 2: in Washington. Koshtama were speaking on the way to that summer, 191 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 2: NATO has agreed to more donations of weapons to Ukraine. 192 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 2: What do we know about that? 193 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 8: Well, it all comes back to this issue of the 194 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 8: air war where he started Stephen in that Ukraine sees 195 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 8: air defense as a massive priority for itself as it 196 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 8: continues to get bombarded from Russia. And so these patriot systems, 197 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 8: which are these very high tech ways of policing the 198 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 8: air are all important. And the US has promised to 199 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 8: don eight four in context with Poland, Germany and Italy 200 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 8: and the Netherlands. Now Poland's ones were actually part of 201 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 8: a arms deal to supply Poland. They're going rather than 202 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 8: going to Poland, they're going straight to Ukraine. Now Ukraine 203 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 8: wanted seven, it's only getting five and one of them 204 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 8: isn't even a patriot system, it's Italy's ground based system. 205 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:10,079 Speaker 8: And so how far this support can be guaranteed, how 206 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 8: quickly it will get there after we've covered, you know, 207 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 8: the US Congress months of delay over sort of spending 208 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 8: on aid is going to be key questions. But the 209 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 8: other key question, Stephen, is what is the long term 210 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 8: view here, especially looking ahead to the US election. Donald 211 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 8: Trump has said that the US is committing too much aid, 212 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 8: it looks awake ahead of this NATO summits and has 213 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 8: said that Europe needs to match US spending on this. 214 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 8: So what is going to be the future over four 215 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 8: months of these sort of donations as well as what 216 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 8: is happening right. 217 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: Now absolutely three day summit of course taking place in 218 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 1: Washington with the thirty two NATO country. So one story 219 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:49,959 Speaker 1: that we will continue to follow for you, James Orcock, 220 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 1: our UK politics reporter, Thank you so much for that. 221 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 5: Now. 222 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 2: A Bloomberg News investigation derived from roughly one hundred and 223 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 2: fifty freedom of information requests has revealed even more dysfunction 224 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 2: Britain's planning system in a week where the labor has 225 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:06,719 Speaker 2: announced plans to reform the system. Bloomberg's investigation reveals home 226 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,719 Speaker 2: builders are resorting to paying thousands of pounds from more 227 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 2: attention from underfunded local authorities with no guarantee that will 228 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 2: actually improve the process. Our residential real estate reporter Damien 229 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 2: Sheppard joins US Now with more on this story. Damien, 230 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 2: good morning. What is this tool that home builders are using? 231 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 9: Yeah, so we're venturing into a niche area of the 232 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:31,959 Speaker 9: planning system here known as planning performance agreements or PPAs. Now, 233 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 9: these agreements hold planning teams to stricter deadlines and more 234 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 9: frequent communication with home builder applicants. Essentially leapfrogs the wealthiest 235 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,959 Speaker 9: builders who can afford them over other applicants and put 236 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 9: them at the front of the local authorities desk when 237 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 9: it comes to their development ideas. But as we know 238 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 9: with the planning system, it doesn't always go as smoothly 239 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 9: as that. 240 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: So is it working then not? 241 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 8: Really? 242 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 9: Most builders see this as attacks that essential in the 243 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 9: process to get their housebuilding applications looked at. Lots of 244 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 9: builders I've spoken to have reported equally as slow decision making. 245 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 9: These aren't legally binding contracts, so there's no penalty for 246 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 9: the councilors in missing the deadlines, even when the builders 247 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 9: pay more to get those stricter deadlines agreed to. This 248 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 9: is a desperate measure that we've uncovered here that the 249 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 9: builders who can afford to are using just to sort 250 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 9: of slightly boost their chances of getting planning permission through faster. 251 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 2: Why if they had to resort to this damien. 252 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 9: So it all comes back to one thing, a lack 253 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 9: of resource in local authority planning departments. This is from 254 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 9: years of underfunding and a severe lack of staff in 255 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 9: local authorities. Delays have become absolute given in planning, and 256 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 9: as I say, this is a desperate measure to try 257 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 9: and just lower those delays slightly and get more housing 258 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 9: units out there that the UK desperately needs, and these 259 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 9: home builders desperately need to boo their numbers. Now, the 260 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 9: richest builders would pay even more to improve this punctuality. 261 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 9: So this is a desperate measure that isn't even quite 262 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 9: working and really shows the dysfunction that's happening in this 263 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:14,079 Speaker 9: planning system. 264 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 1: So I suppose one could wonder whether there's going to 265 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: be more use of these PPAs and also whether there's 266 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: a knock on effect to the smaller builders maybe, you know, 267 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: you keep talking about the richest builders, all about the 268 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: ones that might not have the cash to pay this, 269 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: as you call it, additional little tax. 270 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 9: Exactly. Well, their use is rising every year. It's risen 271 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 9: every year for almost a decade now, the use of PPAs, 272 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 9: and it's accelerated even more in recent years, which is 273 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 9: very interesting because we've had a slump in development that 274 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 9: the use of PPAs it is increasing, which sort of 275 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 9: indicates that a bigger share of builders are using them now. 276 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 9: It's a really good point you make on SMEs because 277 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 9: they can't afford to use these and as I said earlier, 278 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 9: it leap frogs you over other applicants to the front 279 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 9: of the local authorities desk. And I've spoken to SME builders, 280 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 9: one that was trying to build twelve units in London 281 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 9: and can't get any attention from the local authority because 282 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 9: it can't afford this PPA tax as It's known that 283 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 9: other builders can, So it's pushing SMEs further down the pile, 284 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 9: putting large builders applications to the front of the local 285 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 9: authorities desk. And still to no avail. 286 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 2: Will Labour's pledges to improve the planning system actually reduce 287 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 2: the use of these PPAs. 288 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 9: I'd say probably the most important pledge that relates to 289 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 9: this is Labour's promise to hire three hundred planners in 290 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 9: the next parliament, but that would only cover less than 291 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 9: ten percent of the planners who left during the first 292 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 9: ten years of the Tory rule. There's a massive deficit 293 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 9: here of funding and staff in local authority planning departments, 294 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 9: and the pledge doesn't seem to scratch the surface when 295 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 9: you look back at the numbers, but any time will 296 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 9: take the pledges will translate into action. 297 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 2: This is Bloomberg Daybreak Europe, your morning brief on the 298 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 2: stories making news from London to Wall Street. 299 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: And on your podcast feed every morning on Apple, Spotify 300 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:09,359 Speaker 1: and anywhere else you get your podcasts. 301 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 2: You can also listen live each morning on London Dab Radio, 302 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 2: the Bloomberg Business app and Bloomberg Cadship New. 303 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: York Station is also available on your Amazon Alexa devices. 304 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: Just say Alexa play Bloomberg eleven thirty. 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