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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide

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Speaker 1: to the fundamentals of better deer hunting, presented by first Light,

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Speaker 1: creating proven versatile hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind.

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Speaker 1: First Light Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host

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Speaker 1: Tony Peterson.

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Speaker 2: Hey everyone, welcome to the Wire to Hunt Foundation's podcast,

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Speaker 2: which is brought to you by first Light. I'm your host,

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Speaker 2: Tony Peterson, and this episode is all about how to

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Speaker 2: winter scout in order to find spots that will actually

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Speaker 2: allow you to hunt them. On last week's show, I

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Speaker 2: tried to stress how we pretty much all have blind

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Speaker 2: spots with our understanding of the land that we whitetail hunt.

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Speaker 2: I hope I made it clear because it is important.

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Speaker 2: There's always something to learn out there. I actually truly

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Speaker 2: believe that. I also believe that there are some spots

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Speaker 2: that are super conducive to hunting and others that are

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Speaker 2: just lost causes. There are more of those out there

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Speaker 2: than you probably think. So listen up because I'm going

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Speaker 2: to get into it. But first, have you bought yourself

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Speaker 2: the new Meat Eater Trivia board game. If not, you

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Speaker 2: might want to consider it. Since we have about fourteen

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Speaker 2: months a winter left that will be full of plenty

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Speaker 2: of boredom. Now, if you're worried you won't like it

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Speaker 2: because it's Spencer Newhart's baby, and he's well, almost weirder

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Speaker 2: than Mark Kenyon. Don't worry. Other than the vague memory

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Speaker 2: that the game is Spencer's brainchild, he won't be involved

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Speaker 2: in your family game night. Go check it out at

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Speaker 2: the meat eater dot com and remember that a portion

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Speaker 2: of every sale goes directly to conservation. I have a

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Speaker 2: lot of issues with colleges and universities. Not only do

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Speaker 2: I think it's a crime against humanity that they've raised

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Speaker 2: to it prices so much in recent years, but I

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Speaker 2: also think it's totally bs that you're required to take

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Speaker 2: a couple of years of gen d's before getting into

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Speaker 2: your major. Now, I know no one forces us to go,

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Speaker 2: but higher education is the director route to a career

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Speaker 2: for an awful lot of eighteen year olds and offering

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Speaker 2: them ridiculous loans and then requiring they take bowling or

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Speaker 2: interpretive dance or in my case, badminton to even begin

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Speaker 2: to earn a degree. Is as close to outright theft

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Speaker 2: as you can get without actually reaching into their wallets

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Speaker 2: and taking their cash. I know there is a counterpoint

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Speaker 2: to buying the ticket and taking the ride, and that's valid.

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Speaker 2: It's just a system that bothers me personally, probably because

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Speaker 2: of the classes I had to take. Some of those

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Speaker 2: classes were like accounting in various levels of math. Now,

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Speaker 2: I had a therapist tell me one time how dangerous

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Speaker 2: self diagnosis was, But he also wore a lot of

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Speaker 2: pink sweater vests, so maybe his judgment was a little lot.

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Speaker 2: Either way, I have all of the signs of dyscalculia,

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Speaker 2: which is a learning disorder involving numbers. The long and

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Speaker 2: short of it is, you have trouble even as an

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Speaker 2: adult with math that's above about a fourth grade level.

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Speaker 2: If you have that, you might suffer from this condition.

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Speaker 2: And if you have it, you might have trouble. I

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Speaker 2: don't know. Memorizing a phone number, for example, you might

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Speaker 2: as well hit yourself in a face with a brick

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Speaker 2: if somebody rattles off a bunch of quick numbers might

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Speaker 2: be more pleasant. And as an added bonus, if you

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Speaker 2: write that number down by hand, the odds are pretty

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Speaker 2: good you'll swap a few digits, which makes most phone

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Speaker 2: numbers a lot less valuable as someone who truly cannot

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Speaker 2: grasp the numbers game. College level math and accounting courses

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Speaker 2: were pure torture for me. The concepts that my peers

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Speaker 2: truly embarrassing. It has been clear to me for a

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Speaker 2: No matter how slow people talk to me about it

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Speaker 2: dating world for you single folks. It might be a

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Speaker 2: reasons why baiting has such a high compliance rate where

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Speaker 2: many places where it's not legal. If you can make

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Speaker 2: If you can't, you have to understand what you're working with. Now.

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Speaker 2: An area that is just teeming with buck sign but

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Speaker 2: you to really frame this up. When you travel to

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Speaker 2: you almost have to scout and go mobile if you

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Speaker 2: want a chance on these hunts. I find spots that

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Speaker 2: the same goes for prevailing wind and access. Even if

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Speaker 2: In fact, my ratio is probably about three to one.

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Speaker 2: there's good cover on it. How many suitable trees are

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Speaker 2: When you're out there walking a side hill that terminates

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Speaker 2: why the spot has deer sign, but whether that matters

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Speaker 2: to you as a hunter. The best, most rubbed up

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Speaker 2: areas out there might be nearly unhuntable, and that means

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Speaker 2: that you should absolutely do that. So you cannot only

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Speaker 2: or visited scrapes, that's valuable, but it doesn't get you

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Speaker 2: where you need to be if you can't hunt it properly.

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Speaker 2: Connecting the various types of features or learning which oak

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Speaker 2: reason I think it's important to walk through the woods

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Speaker 2: and figure out the terrain features and the soft edges

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Speaker 2: and whatever else is because you can filter all that

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Speaker 2: stuff through reality. Some places are just unhuntable at all times,

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Speaker 2: or more likely during certain conditions. Now, with that caveat,

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Speaker 2: make far too much noise. All right, what are the

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Speaker 2: bunch of other conditions. Recognizing the lost cause is important,

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Speaker 2: things get weird. But hear me out. I winter scout

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Speaker 2: as much anymore. I might be able to sniff out

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Speaker 2: an ambush site two hundred yards away and still play

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Speaker 2: off that January discovery, but not exactly off the best

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Speaker 2: me they can't hunt certain valleys or certain spots because

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Speaker 2: they'll get busted. This most likely ties into swirling winds, or,

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Speaker 2: more importantly, the belief that the wind is always going

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Speaker 2: to swirl. There. As someone who grew up hunting valleys

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Speaker 2: the time, I'll say this, that is not a universal truth.

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Speaker 2: We need to quit buying into that because it's entirely

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Speaker 2: dependent on a ton of factors that can change and

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Speaker 2: will change. Will the winds swirl if they are five

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Speaker 2: What about if the wind is blowing straight down the

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Speaker 2: valley versus across it. Be careful with this loss caused

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Speaker 2: stuff while you're winter scouting, because what we think we

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Speaker 2: know and what is actually true are often vastly different.

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Speaker 2: It's also important to draw upon the opposite end of

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Speaker 2: the spectrum. Have you ever had a spot that was

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Speaker 2: just like you had an invisible shield around you. Maybe

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Speaker 2: it's a bass wood clump or some other clump of

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Speaker 2: got busted. Those locations tend to become our favorites for

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Speaker 2: This is where you need to think things through while

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Speaker 2: Getting on the ground changes the wind game. I mean,

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Speaker 2: This is why I'm such an advocate for getting out

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Speaker 2: So let me tie a bow on this by bringing

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Speaker 2: Even if you winter scout every day from January to April,

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Speaker 2: Build your knowledge base now so you can have some

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Speaker 2: because I'm gonna do a fun episode on all of

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Speaker 2: the shit that I truly believe about deer hunting and

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Speaker 2: why that might matter to you or well not. That's it.

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Speaker 2: I'm Tony Peterson. This has been the Wired to Hunt

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Speaker 2: Foundation's podcast. As always, thank you so much for listening

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