WEBVTT - Erling Kagge 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:04.240 You are listening to Ruthie's Table four in partnership with Montclair. 0:00:05.400 --> 0:00:08.680 Arling Caaga is one of the world's great explorers, a 0:00:08.760 --> 0:00:12.360 man whose life embraces solitude. He is the first person 0:00:12.440 --> 0:00:15.760 to reach by foot the North Pole, South Pole, and 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:19.759 Mount Everest. His new book, The North Pole, The History 0:00:19.840 --> 0:00:23.400 of an Obsession, is published this week, a compelling read, 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:27.560 taking us into his world of adventure, hidden dreams, adversity 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:31.840 and silence. Arling in My life might be dissimilar, but 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:34.760 we share a love for the unknown. For him, it 0:00:34.840 --> 0:00:37.800 might be a new horizon for me, a discovery of 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:41.800 a little known Sicilian recipe. To day, we're here on 0:00:41.920 --> 0:00:44.680 our own adventure, not on the top of a mountain 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:48.040 or in the icy North Pole, but safe and warm 0:00:48.360 --> 0:00:49.040 in the river. 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:55.640 Cafe ha so Everest, South Pole, The North Pole. 0:00:56.320 --> 0:00:58.760 Can you remember the times when you actually thought you 0:00:58.840 --> 0:00:59.440 might die? 0:00:59.840 --> 0:01:02.280 I never felt I might die, But if my mother 0:01:02.320 --> 0:01:05.000 had seen me, she would certainly believe I was close 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:07.520 to dying quite a few times when you fall into 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:11.039 the water. But also, like we were attacked by a 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:11.640 polar bear. 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:17.000 Stop there, tell us. Many people start a sence like that, 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:18.920 what happened? Story? 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:22.520 We were close to the north pole. Suddenly heard my 0:01:22.720 --> 0:01:26.560 partner but shouted hoy, which I never heard him showed before. 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:29.080 So I looked up and then saw polar bear at 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:33.679 twenty meters distance. How big was the bear probably if 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:37.160 you got after maybe two hundred and fifty kilos and 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:42.360 this far north, as we said as a joke afterwards, 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:48.080 is nothing to eat but polar explorers. So we knew 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:51.840 we knew it was going to charge. But when the 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:54.960 polar bears saw that we had seen seen it, it 0:01:55.080 --> 0:02:00.240 stopped and we were able to dig into over sledges 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:04.440 and get a handgun each among forty four each. So 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:08.640 I got the gun and it was this short barrel 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:11.720 because we want to say, wait, so only two inches barrel, 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:13.880 so you can't hit the bear at twenty meters distance. 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:17.560 You had to wait until this close. But then my 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:21.400 partner berg, Yeah, he had this idea that he really 0:02:21.440 --> 0:02:26.880 wanted to be published in National Geographic Magazine, which was 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:30.160 the biggest thing at the time. This was over Bible. 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:31.960 We kind of read like every Thursday. 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:34.480 I was an American who received it. Do you get 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:35.679 it every month? 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:39.399 Actually get that yellow exactly every third is or something 0:02:39.400 --> 0:02:42.120 that had something on an expedition, which we always read 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:44.919 like it was like the New Testament. So he got 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:48.600 this idea, this is my chance. So he dropped the gun, 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:51.040 got the camera. He didn't have a film camera. This 0:02:51.080 --> 0:02:53.160 was the time he had a film camera. And then 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:56.400 he got me posing between him and the bear. So 0:02:56.440 --> 0:03:00.720 it took some photos and soon after the bear turned 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:04.080 towards us start to dig its four feet into the snow, 0:03:04.280 --> 0:03:06.600 lowered its neck, so you knew of those gone to 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:10.040 charge and it can run up to sixty kilimelan over, 0:03:10.280 --> 0:03:14.280 so it's so it's and it's twenty meters, so it's 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:17.960 it's let's say it was forty k over, so it's 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:20.920 really close up. Were both hired and hit it in 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:25.040 the chest, so it's and it's like, you know, neither 0:03:25.080 --> 0:03:27.960 of us are you know, any desire to kill an animal, 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:31.120 and definitely not a polar bear. But when it's a 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:35.280 matter about who's having who for dinner, the choice for 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:38.600 simple even Gandey said you should kill an animal, want 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:39.000 to kill you. 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:43.240 We're here with Sean Renowan, who is director of The 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:46.840 River Cafe, the executive chef of the River Cafe, a 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:50.400 great friend of mine and has also wanted to talk 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:53.720 to you when I told you you were coming about food. 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:56.440 What we do as chefs, what you do is and 0:03:56.560 --> 0:03:59.880 explore what is the food? If I was coming Sean 0:04:00.000 --> 0:04:02.480 and I were coming to Norway and you were cooking 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:05.920 something to represent your kind of history in your life, 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:06.760 what would you give us? 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:09.080 I would in terms of meat, I would give you 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:14.480 sever reindeer, a low reindeer. And what reasonal low reindeer 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:18.960 is because reindeer lives a happy life from born until 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:23.440 its suddenly is dead, which I find very comfortable that 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:26.520 that the animal hasn't suffered because of meat. So and 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:27.839 also it's super tasty. 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:30.040 Is it like venison? Is it sweet? 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:34.159 No, it's it's I think it's richer in taste, of 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:36.720 course depends on what part of the of the reindeer, 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:41.359 and it's tasted a little bit wilderness. It tastes like, 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:45.080 you know, a little bit like being above the tree line, 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:48.520 you know, well cooked or you know, it's it's really 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:52.120 outstanding meal. And of course in Norway we have so 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:56.400 much seafood. Now it's cold season and I had some 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:59.839 cold a few days ago and it's just believe amazing. 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:03.120 And it's if you have a good piece which I 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:05.239 will get is almost ful proof. 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:06.960 How do you cook it? 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:11.599 The most important thing with cod is that which people 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:13.719 kind of forget or do not do not know, is 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:15.880 that you need to first of all, of course, get 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:19.000 a great piece, but then you need to salt it 0:05:19.560 --> 0:05:24.400 heavily and leave it for at least twenty minutes, and 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:28.960 then rinse it with cold water because that makes the 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:31.320 fabric of the meat you call the meat and fabric 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:35.719 or the much more like almost like lobster meat, so 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:37.760 it doesn't fall apart in a way, like you know, 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:42.440 and also the tastes get a little bit richer. And 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:46.320 then afterwards you salt it and pepper it, and I 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:49.680 usually then put it in the oven on maybe two 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:52.799 and twenty degrees for twenty five minutes, maybe a plus 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:56.960 minus depending on the size of the piece, with some herbs, 0:05:57.800 --> 0:06:02.159 and maybe I make some mash the root vegetables, but 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:05.839 definitely have a great salad and some good wine. 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:07.000 Okay, let's go. 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:15.599 I love having people visiting and make food, because that's 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:18.279 one of the great pressures you can have is to 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:22.160 share great food that you're really pretty heart into and 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:22.960 some good wines. 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:26.880 Yeah, what was it like? Growing up in Oslo. Will 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:30.240 you talk to your family what was food like in 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:30.680 your house? 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:32.880 You know, I grew up in Olslow in the born 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:36.560 in sixty three and in the typical middle class family, 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:39.560 and middle class family at that time in Norway was 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:43.279 very different from middle class families today because post oil 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:47.680 fortune and mid class in Norways is different. So we 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:51.840 had like typical was you start the week Mondays Tuesdays 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:57.279 with something called fish balls like and then whale steaks whale. 0:06:57.680 --> 0:07:00.200 Really, let's take this slowly, fish. 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:03.000 Like you made this kind of instead of meat balls 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:06.560 like fish balls like very popular Norway. Kind of simple, 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:11.040 not super healthy. I'm totally okay food. And at that 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:15.440 time fish is quite often cold, and whale was very 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:16.480 popular Norway. 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:16.640 In the six. 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:20.640 You know, if you have the best part of the whale, 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:25.400 it's delicious, but whale is huge, and of course we 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:27.480 had we didn't have the best part. And then it's 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:31.200 quite rough, raw, rough taste a little bit like seal. 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:33.120 But that maybe doesn't say it's so much either. 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:38.679 I've never been to the fish well steal. 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:41.960 Yeah, it's rough, but that's you know, it's a common 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:45.240 course in Norway at the time. And then and the 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:48.280 rest of the week. You know, it's the quality increased. 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:51.920 And then typically on Saturdays we had stimps or a 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:55.120 good piece of meat, and the same on Sundays and 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:56.120 always pudding. 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:57.680 What would you have pudding? 0:07:58.040 --> 0:08:00.520 You know, this kind of chocolate thing or like the 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:03.640 strawberry thing, kind of quite simple but still cutting. 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:05.280 Everything that's important to your family. 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:11.280 Yes, and it became more and more important. My father 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:15.040 was a jazz critic, and not to have something extra 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:19.239 to do, he became a restaurant critic, so he took 0:08:19.320 --> 0:08:22.600 me to the restaurant quite often when he meta critics. 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:24.920 So yeah, it became more and more important. 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:27.200 And did you play a lot of jazz. 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:31.440 Just all the time. My father said that pop music, 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:36.040 TV and cars are diseases in society and we should 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:40.200 only listen to jazz, blues and gospel music because it 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:42.400 was a just critic. We've got to we've got to 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:47.840 meet all this, you know, just musicians. He left his jail. 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:52.520 They all came to Norway, like you know, because in 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:55.920 Norway's they were superstars, you know. They came to our 0:08:55.960 --> 0:09:00.480 house and every alcohol was very expensive and away at 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:04.360 the time, so we my father's sailed over sailed boat 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:07.640 to Germany every summer, and we bought dicker and took 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:09.679 it back home to Norway, and then we had a 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:12.880 big parties in the house. People got drunk and they 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:17.960 were playing and jamming into the night. I don't unfortunately. 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:21.120 And what about school? Tell me about going to school 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:21.680 every day? 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:24.880 School was not good to me. 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:30.560 You were dyslexic. Yeah, my husband is dyslexic, exactly, but 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:33.079 in those days they didn't actually well in his days 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:33.880 he was older than you. 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:36.560 They just called it being stupid exactly. 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:39.400 I think, you know, it's the good thing having those 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:43.640 disadvantages is that you learn all of the teacher tries 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:48.200 to help you. You learn not to trust authorities. I 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:50.280 had to find my own way to learn the same 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:54.840 as everyone else in class, so the teacher really couldn't 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:58.280 help me. And also you learn that life is brutal 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:00.959 at the early age. And I think you know, the 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:03.680 sooner you learn it, the better it this in your life. 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:04.920 You have children. 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:05.840 I have three daughters. 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:07.760 You want them to know that life is brutal. 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:15.760 Actually, actually I want them to know life is brutal. 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:18.440 And they know life is brutal, but of course they 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:20.920 have to learn it their own way. 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:24.240 When did you first become in love with a pole? 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:28.840 With the first time I became aware of the North Pole, 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:32.600 I was seven years old. My parents gave me this globe, 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:36.560 this globeust for my birthday present, and this was in 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:40.080 nineteen seventy. So at that time, the globes were small, 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:43.720 a bit bluish, dark blue where the oceans were deep, 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:47.360 it was dark brown where the mountains were high. And 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:50.160 at the top of the globe it was a little 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:55.280 flat metal plate to kind of hold the globe together. 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:59.520 And then I was wondering what's below that metal and 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:02.320 of course that was a North Pole. And then, as 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:04.920 you know, then I was wondering about it, and then 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:07.840 slowly through my life I got more and more interested 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:12.720 and eventually obsessed about walking to the North Pole. So 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:16.280 I was in love with the North Pole for many years. 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:18.600 And of course, as soon as I got to the pole, 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:23.280 I understood my real obsession had been about walking towards 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:27.000 the poll and not getting to the pole. The arrival 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:29.360 is like you know, it's the hunt is always more 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:31.760 fascinating than actually the killing. 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:35.320 Tell us the early days of walking. 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:40.440 I remember the first time I understood that I could 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:43.520 walk in any direction I wanted. I walked home from 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:46.240 kindergarten norway safe you walked back and forth to the 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:50.760 kindergarten by yourself, And I was walking towards over home. 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:54.480 Then suddenly understood I could just turn ninety degrees and 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:57.960 walk straight into the forest. That was a beautiful feeling. 0:11:58.960 --> 0:11:59.800 And then. 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:04.760 And then I was dreaming, and I was dreaming about 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:10.400 sailing the oceans, which I eventually did through my twenties. 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:14.880 And then this idea about, like you know, really fulfilling 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:18.360 my dream about walking to the North Pole kept on 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:23.160 popping up in my head, and eventually, in nineteen ninety 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:29.040 Berga Aslan and myself we did it, and they prepared for. 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:29.520 More than ski. 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:34.120 He was a guy I had never met before. He 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:37.360 had the same dream, obsessed by getting to the North Pole, 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:40.640 and obsessed by getting to the North Pole in the 0:12:40.679 --> 0:12:45.040 most difficult way, not using ski doos or dogs or 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:49.640 air supply, but just walking, dragging over sledges all the 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:53.080 way to the North Pole. The first thurday nights we 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:57.560 shared sleeping bag. And then eventually, like you know, off 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:02.920 doing such an expedition, he either become friends or the opposite. Unfortunately, 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:04.680 we became very close friends. 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:08.520 You had a great question. Oh no, I was. 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:10.680 We were just asking how you know when you get 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:12.599 to the North Pole, is it like a sign. 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:16.800 Welcome to Because when you get to the pole, the ice, 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:18.920 you're standing in the ice. The ice is moving all 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:22.040 the time, so after a few hours you're a little 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:25.120 bit off the North Pole, depending on the drift. But 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:27.319 the thing at the North Pole which is interesting is 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:31.559 that the sun has the same angle above the horizon 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:36.160 for twenty four hours, so the needly goes up and down, 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:40.640 and then of course and of course the compass needle 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:43.920 is pointing to ourselves. The wind comes from the south, 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:48.480 it blowing towards the south. It's one day and one 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:51.680 night every year. The sun rises once and it sets 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:55.560 once during a year, so it's but then again it's 0:13:55.880 --> 0:14:00.439 it's just ice. It's just a mathematical point there. 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:03.319 You have to lose yourself to get the place. 0:14:03.559 --> 0:14:05.400 That's the interesting thing, because when they get to the 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:10.040 northfoll it's not there. There, it's nothing. It's just ice, 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:15.320 gray white, and maybe the horizon is blue. That's it, 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:17.880 and it's moving. It's it's it's nothing there. 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:22.120 Perhaps we should actually talk about you and iron chine. 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:23.560 We're going to the north pole. 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:27.760 Were going. 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:34.520 Okay, we can slow, you can slaughter halfway and. 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:39.000 The north So we're there, and I would like to 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:42.320 know what is my food daylight? What will I be eating? 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:45.640 What's the longest time you've gone on a trip? Would 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:48.360 it be for a month? Would it be seas too much? 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:50.960 Like sixty six to five days? 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:51.760 Sixty five? 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:55.120 Bring all the food you need, we do the whole time. 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:58.160 Okay, So what are the disciplines around that? How much 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:02.200 it will wait to carry, how much space it will take, 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:04.840 and how much nutrition will it give you? 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:10.440 Yes? Balance it's you eat around one kilow every day 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:13.840 with dried food and they mix it with water. It's 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:17.000 all dry old dryeder say weight because what is it 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:20.160 for breakfast? You have a o oat meal? 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:22.280 You have to use a lot of water. 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:25.240 Then, Yeah, from melting ice and snow. Oh so you 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:27.440 don't bring in the water. So that's a good noise, 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:29.960 that's a goodness. So don't worry about that. 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:33.400 Take any you just take the snow and just let it. 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:37.280 Yeah, you need to find all old ice because fresh 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:41.720 fresh ice contains lots of salt. So you can tell 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:44.440 by the color of the eyes if it contains salt 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:47.720 or not. And then how do you melt it? You 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:50.080 melt it by having little primasies that what they call 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:52.920 it little heater, which is made in a way so 0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:56.160 all the heat from the flame goes to the pot. 0:15:56.360 --> 0:16:01.400 So even when it's minus fourteen fifty degrees, we're not 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:05.680 heating the tent. It gets a little bit warmer because 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:08.440 of the body heat, but it's we don't heat the tent. 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:09.760 Why don't you want to eat? 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:11.800 Because you want to say weight. So you have like 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:15.960 two des liters of fuel per day, and then you 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:19.120 have to really save everything because you've got the drag 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:22.640 everything you need for more than two months. And then 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:26.000 you're not having enough fuel to heat the tent, so 0:16:26.040 --> 0:16:29.640 you're freezing so much to actually you know you sometimes 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:33.440 you start crying because you're freezing so much. But anyway, 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:36.280 so this this old milk, but also we mix it 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:40.640 with formula milk, dried formula milk, because that's what gives 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:44.400 the most energy. Program and then eat the same for 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:48.440 larnch throughout the day. Maybe some chocolate or definitely some chocolate, 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:52.000 but with extra calories, especially made chocolate. The extra calories 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:56.400 just as ack like a snack having brakes and maybe chocolate, 0:16:56.480 --> 0:16:59.560 like you have to get used to the taste, I 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:02.520 really because it's so much fat in it, so it 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:05.040 doesn't really taste well at home. But you know, the 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:08.680 thing is this food is none of this food tastes 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:13.000 really good when you start eating it. But then as 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:15.360 it days and weeks pass by and you get more 0:17:15.359 --> 0:17:18.119 and more tired and more and more hungry, it tastes 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:21.640 better and better and better, and eventually it tastes as 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:26.920 good as a food that we recoffee. Absolutely, that's the 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:30.520 whole thing that expeditions. You need to be really well prepared. 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:37.840 It's like this Nowigian explorer Amundson road that victory awaits 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:41.159 the one who has everything in order. People calls it 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:46.080 good luck, while defeat always follows bad preparations, people calls 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:51.000 it bad luck. It's brutal and true. Are you hungry 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:52.480 all these hungry? Yeah? 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:52.919 Always? 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:59.399 So we are still meeting twice a year, but me 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:03.919 and we're eating the food we're dreaming about while walking 0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:06.200 towards the pol Oh that's nice. 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:13.359 So then that's all the through the day, and. 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:17.960 Then then we have dinner, which is dried meat and 0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:22.480 either some pasta or some mushed potatoes to get some volume. 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:26.840 And again lots of fat. And that's when. 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:28.760 You say lots of fats. What would that be like? 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:34.640 Quite a few spoonfuls every evening. And then because we're starving, 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:37.800 one had to split the portions and the other one 0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:40.840 had to choose. So then you make sure that we 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:42.560 get you know, equal portions. 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:46.720 I have to take like implements to cook like a 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:50.720 regular billy can or would you take special lightweight kit 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:52.240 that you can use to cook and. 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:56.600 Supert Everything is light, Everything is light. That's the thing 0:18:56.680 --> 0:18:59.680 you need to keep everything of. 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When you're alone 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:32.120 for such a long time, you kind of stop thinking 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:36.280 in the sense that the past and the future don't 0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:38.440 matter so much. And of course that's a kind of 0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:41.120 a noise too, because thinking and think about the past 0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:44.000 or the future, but very much in the present. You 0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:47.480 kind of stop thinking, which is a beautiful feeling. But 0:20:47.560 --> 0:20:50.720 then on Christmas Eve, I sat there eating this cake, 0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:53.720 I felt like, at least like, you know, then I 0:20:53.880 --> 0:20:56.680 was thinking about people back home and that they were 0:20:56.720 --> 0:20:59.360 thinking about me. Because also when you're alone for such 0:20:59.400 --> 0:21:02.960 a long time you don't really believe people, then you 0:21:03.080 --> 0:21:05.680 kind of you kind of get a feeling that you're 0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:07.200 also kind of forgotten. 0:21:08.480 --> 0:21:11.560 And was ther pleasure that you had when you were okay? 0:21:11.840 --> 0:21:15.879 The pleasure is I think the pleasures on an expedition 0:21:16.200 --> 0:21:22.000 are there original sources to gratefulness in the sense that 0:21:22.680 --> 0:21:25.879 you get rest when you're tired, you get warm after 0:21:25.920 --> 0:21:30.720 having been cold, you get full after having been hungry, 0:21:31.359 --> 0:21:35.119 and that kind of that's what gratefulness is about. And 0:21:35.200 --> 0:21:39.359 I think gratefulness is one of the most undervalued things 0:21:39.359 --> 0:21:43.720 in life. And as I say, Norway, where most people 0:21:43.760 --> 0:21:47.800 should be super duper grateful all day hard and one 0:21:47.920 --> 0:21:49.879 is grateful, so you know you should almost learn in 0:21:49.960 --> 0:21:52.879 that school to be grateful. But anyway, on an expedition, 0:21:53.440 --> 0:21:57.720 you really feel gratefulness for those three reasons and the 0:21:57.760 --> 0:22:01.480 same reasons why humans very grateful one hundred thousand years ago. 0:22:02.320 --> 0:22:04.760 When you walk to the North Pole, when you walk 0:22:04.800 --> 0:22:08.200 to climb Everest, when you what is the difference between 0:22:08.920 --> 0:22:12.639 walking to it and walking towards home? 0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:15.200 Is there a different at It's. 0:22:17.600 --> 0:22:20.439 Most accidents are happening on the way down from the mountain, 0:22:21.280 --> 0:22:25.800 because then you are more self confident you're happy with yourself, 0:22:25.960 --> 0:22:28.080 you kind of reach your goal, at least that's what 0:22:28.160 --> 0:22:33.479 you believe. Then suddenly you do take a wrong step 0:22:33.680 --> 0:22:37.960 or forget being careful, and then you may have an excellence. 0:22:38.720 --> 0:22:44.320 We've talked about getting there and preparing to leave, but 0:22:44.359 --> 0:22:49.280 what about returning and what kind of process is that 0:22:49.400 --> 0:22:52.600 to return from being fifty days on your own, eating 0:22:52.680 --> 0:22:57.959 porridge with fat, walking and feeling cold, feeling hungry, feeling tired, 0:22:58.640 --> 0:23:05.400 coming back to an embracing life of friendship and people. 0:23:05.320 --> 0:23:11.800 And it's especially coming home after having not speaking with 0:23:12.040 --> 0:23:15.920 en one for fifty days. It's really strange. And eventually, 0:23:16.000 --> 0:23:19.679 after a few weeks, I didn't really miss speaking to 0:23:19.720 --> 0:23:23.200 anyone either. I'm a very social person, but I kind 0:23:23.200 --> 0:23:25.639