1 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha. 2 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:08,799 Speaker 2: Welcome to stuff I never told your productive of iHeart Radio. 3 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 3: All right, we are going to put a content warning 4 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 3: from Jump because we are talking sexual assault, rape and 5 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 3: harassment in pre in depth. So if you want to 6 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 3: bypass this understandable. This Monday Mini is one of those 7 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 3: that I am thoroughly anxious about and angry about because 8 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 3: I see no change and such reversal in what has 9 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 3: happened in our society that we can't ignore it, and 10 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 3: it's there's so much, Okay, So to kind of top 11 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 3: it off and tell you why I'm talking about this, 12 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 3: A couple of weeks ago, while I was going through 13 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 3: my usual doom scrolling, I watched a video of myself 14 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 3: on my far bocam not a sponsor, about how often 15 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 3: I am watching I'm on my phone and it is 16 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 3: constant and it's disturbing. And the reason I have my 17 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 3: far bones so my partner can see myself and my 18 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 3: dog so but because he's out of town right now. 19 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: But I don't know why I'm telling all that. 20 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 3: But anyway, all that to say is I got to 21 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 3: stop with the dune's throwing. Anyway, going back to the story, 22 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 3: so as I was scrolling, a young woman came on 23 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 3: my feet talking about her experience as a door dasher. 24 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 3: So just to kind of summarize what happened, she i'll 25 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 3: the video that I initially saw was her explaining that 26 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 3: she had taken a delivery set at the door and 27 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 3: only to notice that the door of the delivery was 28 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 3: wide open, which is kind of concerning. If my door 29 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 3: was wide open, or anybody else's door wide open, I'd 30 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 3: be like, are y'all, okay, what's going on? But in 31 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 3: that she could plainly see a man without his pants 32 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 3: on or underwear on all, like they were completely down 33 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 3: to his pants down to his ankles while he was 34 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 3: like covering his face with his arm and his pants 35 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,279 Speaker 3: was out. And she was like, wow, that was weird, 36 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 3: And she sent a notice to door Dash asking to like, 37 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 3: I guess kicked him off the app because that was concerning. 38 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 3: Like she didn't say anything to him, she didn't scream 39 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 3: or yell. She's like, well, that was weird, walked away 40 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 3: because I know for all the DoorDash people that they 41 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 3: have to record that they have delivered it, so they're 42 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 3: at least taking a picture. I think she turned the 43 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 3: camera on when she saw the door open, because she 44 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 3: was kind of concerned about what was happening. I would too, 45 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 3: especially the area looked isolated because I couldn't hear any 46 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 3: cards in the background or whatever. Because her video has 47 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,079 Speaker 3: been replaced since then, so I've seen. 48 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: It pieces of it. 49 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,639 Speaker 3: I actually saw the whole thing, and I was like, oh, damn, Okay, yeah, 50 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 3: I can understand why she started filming. Being a female 51 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 3: DoorDash or a young, small female do DoorDash er, she 52 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 3: was kind of concerned about what's happening whatever may have been. 53 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 3: But she also posted it online as well to be like, well, 54 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 3: that was a weird interaction. And at the same time, 55 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 3: she figured out when all this happened that she actually 56 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 3: got kicked off door Dash herself, so she was no 57 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 3: longer allowed to deliver, and she was concerned about what 58 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 3: was going on. She was and given the next reason, 59 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 3: so she went in and was like trying to figure 60 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 3: it out, and she was imploring the viewers to find 61 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 3: out what's going on, essentially, because we know that a 62 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 3: lot of people have been taking corporations public on social 63 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 3: media to get justice or even just a refund, just 64 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 3: a response, and and that it went. 65 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 1: Like mile very quickly. 66 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 3: Everybody was like, we're boycotting Door Dash, how dare you 67 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 3: da da da da da again also not a sponsor. 68 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 3: I don't think they wanted to talk about this, and 69 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 3: all these things happen in very quick secession. By the way, 70 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,239 Speaker 3: so that happened DoorDash made a statement about the fact 71 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 3: that they have policies that you cannot doc customers, in 72 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 3: which they responded saying that she had posted his address 73 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 3: and all these things. So I'm like, okay, that is concerning, 74 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 3: and you don't want that to happen. At the same time, 75 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 3: there's a lot of bad happening here. All of a 76 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 3: sudden comes this slander. I don't know how it popped off, 77 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 3: because it was like a couple of back back to back, 78 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 3: Like you know, social media moves quick. If something is 79 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 3: picked up, it goes very quickly. New videos are popped 80 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 3: up with different influencers talking about how new information has 81 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 3: come to light. The door was never actually opened. She 82 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 3: pushed it open and then took films of him to 83 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 3: be considered revenge porn. She purposely recorded him in order 84 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 3: to get this reaction, and she lied about being assaulted. 85 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 3: So this is where I was concerned number one, because 86 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 3: I was like, wait, what okay, if all these other 87 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 3: things happen, which is still kind of odd, why would 88 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 3: the door be open if she opened that door. That's 89 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 3: still concerning for sure, but also like, huh, this is 90 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 3: sexual harassment in different states that is coded as sexual 91 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 3: harassments could be considered sexual assault. It is public indecency. 92 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 3: These are sexual violations that can get you in trouble. Typically, 93 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 3: public indecency is a misdemeanor case in most of the places, 94 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 3: but if you get enough charges, it's obvious that if 95 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 3: you're getting sexually aroused or sexual pleasure from these types 96 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 3: of a this is a sexual violent act, whether you 97 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 3: want to call it that or not. People were really 98 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 3: going in how dare you use this language? I am 99 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 3: a survivor. I would never like you are making my 100 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 3: incident look less. And I was like, that's a weird take, 101 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 3: because I myself, who has also been a victim and 102 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:19,239 Speaker 3: a survivor. 103 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:20,239 Speaker 1: We've talked about this before. 104 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 3: I've also been flashed, and I will tell you that 105 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 3: haunted me because I was so upset with myself with 106 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 3: the way I reacted that I didn't feel like I 107 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 3: reacted mad enough that allowed things to happen with him, 108 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 3: like not being punished because I didn't know what to do. 109 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: I just kind of I. 110 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 3: Froze and it upset me pretty terribly, Like I still 111 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:39,919 Speaker 3: think about it and get like sick of my stomach. 112 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 3: In this set, I never interact with him, We never talked. 113 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 3: He did it and walked away, like I think I 114 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 3: actually haunked my horn at him because he was in 115 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 3: the middle of the road. Like it was such an 116 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 3: odd occurrence, but I absolutely felt violated, and I still 117 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 3: do to this day. It makes me feel nauseous. So 118 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 3: it was such a weird response to me that these 119 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 3: were the things I'm coming out. Whether she did the 120 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:07,119 Speaker 3: other things, yes, sure, But it comes back round about 121 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 3: a few days later where it turns out nobody had 122 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 3: proof of this accusation that at first they were like 123 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 3: she said it in her first post that she opened 124 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 3: the door. Nope, never said it. The post that she posted, 125 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 3: which she shouldn't have posted. I think she should have 126 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 3: definitely given it to door Dash or to the like 127 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 3: cops or whatever. But at the same time, we let me, 128 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 3: let me backtrack, let's say that she should not have 129 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 3: posted it. I'm not gonna actually say that. What I'm 130 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 3: gonna say is, we know oftentimes if we don't have 131 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 3: that type of proof, we're not believed, we being victims 132 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 3: and survivors, and even if we do, still not believed. 133 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: And this was kind of that prime example. 134 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 3: And not only that that it became completely different. It 135 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 3: got a good, completely different take where people were saying, 136 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 3: she said this, she opened the door, she admitted it, 137 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 3: and there's never that video. They started photoshopping it to 138 00:06:58,320 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 3: make it look like it was cracked when it was 139 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 3: actually wide open. They tried to pretend like she saw 140 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 3: him out when it was very in plain view, and 141 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 3: that also she was there forever looking for this when 142 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 3: actually it was a very quick incident, and her going, well, 143 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 3: that's weird to the fact that, like we had people 144 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 3: with millions of followers saying that she's a liar, and 145 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 3: people who are rape apologists coming back with this is 146 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 3: why we can't believe all women. They even compared her 147 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 3: to the white woman who had Emmitt still murdered like 148 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 3: that that, yeah, that's how it went. That, this is 149 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 3: why how this happened. They accused her of the same thing, 150 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 3: and I was like, what is happening. What. I don't 151 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 3: get involved in these because like it is one of 152 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 3: those things that you need to see it how it 153 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 3: plays out before making any And then I'm not making 154 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 3: any assumptions on any of these things. 155 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: These are the things that I've followed. 156 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 3: And then came these conversations of people coming back to, hey, 157 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 3: you see what's happening here? This is an odd take. 158 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 3: Why are y'all talking about this woman like this? She 159 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 3: comes on upset and like I will say her video 160 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 3: because I don't always believe like people who come home 161 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 3: with the crying and tears. It was kind of like 162 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 3: shocking her. She was screaming into the video, talking about 163 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 3: why I'm the victim? Why are you doing this to me? 164 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 3: And so like there's so much emotion and heaviness in 165 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 3: this plot. And then came other conversations about like could 166 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 3: these be bots? People are starting to think that maybe 167 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 3: a big corporation have bought bots in order to do 168 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 3: this smear campaign against this woman because they were dropping 169 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 3: in subscribers. So this was from a Reddit post, because 170 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:46,439 Speaker 3: there's a lot of Reddit posts, you know, Reddit has 171 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:48,079 Speaker 3: a whole lot of feels, and this is one of 172 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 3: the things they talk about, and they gave an overview 173 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 3: of the incident, and they go in to say. On 174 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 3: TikTok and Twitter, the overwhelming consensus seems to be that 175 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 3: the door was originally just cracked open and DoorDash driver 176 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 3: was the one who opened it. Comments claimed that one 177 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 3: she posted a video of actually opening it and going inside, 178 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 3: and two she made a follow up video where she 179 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 3: talked about opening the door. Literally, thousands of comments, some 180 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 3: with thousands of lights claim that this is the case. 181 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 3: But the strange part is that no one has any 182 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 3: evidence of it. When pressed, People either claim that they 183 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 3: saw video of it on Twitter, Reddit but cannot produce 184 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 3: a link, that video doesn't exist because it was instantly 185 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 3: deleted from TikTok, come on, who's buying that in twenty 186 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 3: twenty five, or post an image of wide open door 187 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 3: cropped in half to make it look like the door 188 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 3: is not wide open. All the options seemed strange, door 189 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 3: Dash or some other entity running a propaganda campaign. People 190 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 3: being done on the internet and claiming they saw it 191 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 3: just because everyone else is claiming the same thing, or 192 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 3: it genuinely was a viral video, or that no one 193 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 3: saved or screenshoted, so everybody's this is like nothing on 194 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 3: the internet goes away. 195 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: We've talked about this before. 196 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 3: People do screenshot things, people do screen record things because 197 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 3: that's what they do. There has not been one single video. 198 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 3: Her first video interestingly shows pretty quickly what happened. Act 199 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 3: she drops it off, opens it up, and it's like 200 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 3: the way you open the door comes towards you, so 201 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 3: it doesn't even go in. You have to pull the 202 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 3: door open. And there's two doors by the way, there's 203 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 3: an actual door and a screen door, and both are 204 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 3: wide open. So all of these things aren't very odd 205 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 3: because they have yet to show any video. And then 206 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 3: there's this case that the due came on and had 207 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,839 Speaker 3: a whole thing and how he had a ring video, 208 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 3: and in the video that she posts there's no ring camera, 209 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 3: so it's kind of like there now with all of that, 210 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 3: it has since come out that people have been doxing 211 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 3: him like they did dox him. They one specific dude 212 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 3: who does this whole thing of like, I don't know, 213 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 3: we talked about the people call out people who go 214 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 3: after people like this, and I've kind of had this 215 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 3: mixed feeling. 216 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: I don't love it, like it. 217 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 3: There's something about this that's not let's kind of bite 218 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 3: everybody in the butt, And people who are crusading to 219 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 3: do this are not always to me genuine and trying 220 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 3: to be helpful as much as this is getting them views. 221 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 3: But all of that to say, like someone does look 222 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 3: him up. Supposedly he has another charge with something similar 223 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 3: to this, that they found these. I don't know if 224 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 3: that's true. I don't know if that's validated. Everybody wants 225 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 3: to say it is. But of course, again watching this 226 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 3: in real time, going back and forth, like there's proof 227 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 3: that she lied, here's this, she's not a victim? How 228 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 3: dare she use it? Like? It was such a back 229 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 3: and forth and I was like, what is happening? And 230 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 3: that made me start thinking as I was researching this, 231 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 3: what happened since the beginning of Me Too? Has our attitudes? 232 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 3: Has the public attitudes? Has a justice system changed in 233 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 3: believing victim? 234 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: Then? You know, just just a quick reminder. 235 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,439 Speaker 3: This is something to Rona Brooke started in two thousand 236 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 3: and six, which was brought to social media in twenty 237 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 3: seventeen by a celebrity that also coincided with the Times 238 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 3: Up when a lot of sexual harassment, sexual assaults of violence, rape, 239 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 3: and all of these things were happening in different industries 240 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 3: and no one was believing it, and so both of 241 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 3: these things came in conjunction. So there are several articles 242 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 3: from twenty twenty four talking about how, yes, actually this 243 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 3: has helped. It's established some nonprofits and funded some good organizations, 244 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 3: and people are starting to do a little more listening 245 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 3: more so than anything else. Victims and survivors are coming 246 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 3: out fighting, so that's lovely to see. But the reality 247 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:27,839 Speaker 3: of all that is just like in this narrative, not 248 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 3: much has changed. Survivors are still not being believed. As 249 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 3: in fact, Newsweek recently did an article about the issue, 250 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 3: and they did report on this saying, according to the 251 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 3: National Sexual Violence Resource Center, eighty one percent of women 252 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 3: and forty one percent of men in the US experienced 253 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 3: some form of sexual harassment or assault. So like it 254 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 3: is happening. I was trying to get all the data, 255 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,319 Speaker 3: and I was, I was looking through different ones, but 256 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 3: nothing is The change has been so non existent that 257 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 3: the numbers have not changed. It's one in six for 258 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 3: like rape for women, like is still that same number 259 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 3: that we saw And I know we did report when 260 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 3: I first started, because I was very like, we need 261 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 3: to talk about these things. It kind of was the 262 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 3: reason we started the podcast together, and it's not changed. 263 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 3: In fact, the not believing women has kind of gotten 264 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 3: worse since the administration. I'm going to talk about that 265 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 3: in a minute, because that's another rabbit hole that I 266 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 3: think we're gonna have to look into, and I don't 267 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 3: want to because it's going to make me sad and sick. 268 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 3: But also the other common conversation in this is that 269 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 3: the gig workers, including people like DoorDash, are actually the 270 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 3: number one people in the in any industry, in workforce 271 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 3: that are harassed or assaulted. So it's not uncommon to 272 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 3: see as in fact, I saw like article after article 273 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 3: about Uber's problem with sexual harassment and how they are 274 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 3: not doing anything to address it. So we know Uber, Door, Dash, Lift, 275 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 3: all of them kind of go hand in hand in 276 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 3: what they do, like people are interchangeable in this in 277 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 3: these organizations, and that they are not believed. In fact, 278 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 3: the amount of cases that has not gone down in 279 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 3: any kind of justice. P Diddy case was very apparent 280 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 3: about how they did not believe women, as well as 281 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 3: the baseball player who rate, the several young girls he 282 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 3: got off with like a slap on the wrist. I 283 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 3: just saw another case where he got a sweetheart deal, 284 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 3: as in like he just was on probation and wasn't 285 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 3: even on the offender list. Brock Turner, I believe he 286 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 3: goes by Alan Turner now was a prime example of 287 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 3: what he's doing. And people I love the people who 288 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 3: were like, hey, he's in this town now, this is 289 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 3: what he goes by, this is what he looks like. 290 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 3: Remember him, yes, remember them. But these are prime examples 291 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 3: of the fact that the women are still not believed, 292 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 3: like it's still just as bad as it was. And yeah, 293 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 3: with all of this, the quick research brought up a 294 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 3: lot of statistics of how the current administration has allowed 295 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 3: for this toxic culture to continue and their policies have 296 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 3: put a strain on any forward movement in helping survivors 297 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 3: getting any justice. So this is from the National Women's 298 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 3: Lossenter about what they have kind of done, like loosely 299 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 3: about day done. 300 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: So this is their quote. 301 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 3: Trump directed that his administration to freeze funding, including to 302 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 3: the Sinners for Disease Control and Prevention CDC's rape Prevention 303 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 3: and Education program, leaving organizations confused, causing some to lay 304 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 3: off staff and disrupting their ability to maintain basic services. 305 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 3: The groups impacted include those that work on sexual violence 306 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 3: prevention in schools and colleges. Also, the Department of Justice 307 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 3: DOJ's Office on Violence against Women, another critical source of 308 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 3: funding for group's tackling sexual violence, removed information about grant 309 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 3: opportunities from their website, creating additional confusion and concern for 310 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 3: service providers. Trump issued executive orders targeting diversity, equity and inclusion initiatives, 311 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 3: putting LGBTQIA plus and survivors of color particularly at risk. 312 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 3: Survivor's services programs now face a cruel choice scrub inclusive 313 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 3: languages from their website to stay compliant and keep funding, 314 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 3: or stand up for their most vulnerable communities and risk 315 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 3: financial ruin. Within weeks of the executive orders, the Office 316 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 3: of Management and Budget flag more than two dozen DOJ 317 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 3: programs for compliance review that distributed over half a billion 318 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 3: dollars to combat sexual violence. And if you want a reminder, yes, 319 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 3: the people who are most vulnerable and highest in statistics 320 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 3: for sexual violence for being victims of sexual violence are 321 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 3: people of color and marginalized people. Trump's anti DEI executive 322 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 3: orders have cost fear and confusion among survivor advocates. Organizations 323 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 3: are left guessing how to navigate murky maindates while maintaining 324 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 3: their core values and commitments to LGBTQI A plus and 325 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 3: survivors of color. Trump's cut targeting sanctuary cities threatened rape 326 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 3: crisis programs and communities that they are to protect immigrants, 327 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 3: so especially if you're an immigrant, you have no rise 328 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 3: for protection, like we already know that. As in fact, 329 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 3: there's a lot of concerned about what is happening to 330 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 3: the women and children and the detention centers, and there's 331 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 3: no accountability, like we know that the one thing John 332 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 3: Osof did with the first Attention center happening CS under Obama, 333 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 3: we're disgusting and really concerning. He got a lot of 334 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 3: information that he's trying to get more information and a 335 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:20,919 Speaker 3: lot of other people are too, and we're not getting it. 336 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 3: And it's kind of concerning. Actually it's very concerning. Trump 337 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 3: recently laid off staff and gutted core programs at CDC, 338 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 3: including within the Divisions of Violence Prevention that includes programs 339 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 3: focused on rape prevention. 340 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: Education. 341 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 3: Experts at CDC including the director of the Office of 342 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 3: Family Violence and Prevention Services, who funded and evaluated programs 343 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 3: aiming at reducing sexual violence, have been placed on leave, 344 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 3: disrupting funding pipelines two rape crisis centers, causing organizations to 345 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 3: shift services away from supporting survivors. As a result of this, 346 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 3: decades of this crucial work will be lost. So that 347 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 3: was all from their site. And by the way, that 348 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 3: doesn't include the amount of rape kits that have been 349 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 3: ignored and are now done for, done for, so no 350 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 3: justice whatsoever. It has only increased the problem. We already 351 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 3: know that he did away with a lot of anything 352 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 3: that had around women's protection from jump. 353 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: So that was the thing. 354 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 3: And for the fact, the biggest concern for the GOP 355 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 3: is protecting the children and women. They sure don't care 356 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 3: about helping anyone or getting justice for anyone, it says 357 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 3: from fulcrum dot com, written by mel Bailey. In the 358 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 3: weeks following the twenty twenty four election, the President selected 359 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 3: five men for senior government positions who have either been 360 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 3: accused of rape or sexual misconduct, or have been entangled 361 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 3: in serious allegations of their mistreatment of women, reflecting a 362 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 3: troubling societal acceptance of the disregard for women, their safety, 363 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 3: and their rights. A January twenty twenty four study published 364 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 3: by JAMA or JAMMA Internal Medicine one revealed that in 365 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 3: the years following the overturn of Robi Wade, a Supreme 366 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:01,919 Speaker 3: Court decision that the stripped women in the US of 367 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 3: their constitutional right to access abortion healthcare, sixty four thousand 368 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:10,959 Speaker 3: pregnancies in fourteen US states resulted from rape. Imagine if 369 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 3: this figure is extrapolated to include all fifty states and 370 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 3: what that means about how many rapes are occurring in 371 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 3: the US overall. Despite this alarming data, the conversation around 372 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 3: sexual violence remains disturbingly muted. I hate this information having 373 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 3: to go through and look at all this conversation. And 374 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 3: of course this has not included the conversation about the 375 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 3: fact that Epstein files have been interestingly blocked by all 376 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 3: these same people who are like save the children, Save 377 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 3: the children. 378 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, and who campaigned on yeah will make. 379 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 3: Them, well, we will make the public. And yet they're 380 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 3: saying we're not doing that. My Johnson, mister godly man 381 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 3: of God, No, that's none of your business. 382 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, we need to move on. Yeah, why are you 383 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: still talking about that. 384 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 3: But that is exactly what's happening. This is why we 385 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,959 Speaker 3: have a problem, because they are doing so hard a 386 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,679 Speaker 3: campaign against any survivors and victims that if those files 387 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 3: do come out, they can easily turn around be like, no, 388 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 3: she's a liar. 389 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: She's a liar. She's a liar, she's a liar. These 390 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 1: can't be right, These can't be right. 391 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 3: She's not pretty enough, which has been still the most 392 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 3: infuriating in conversation I've ever heard in my life. 393 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: Like, what the fuck are you talking about? 394 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 3: Let me punch you in the dick because you deserve it. 395 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 3: And I've stand by that. I don't condone violence, but 396 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 3: stand by that conversation. There's a lot going on in 397 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 3: any form of sexual violence, any form of sexual harassment 398 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 3: and assaults is disgusting. And as a person who worked 399 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 3: in social work that can look at patterns, especially when 400 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 3: I watched the young kids go from the sexual predator 401 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 3: to an adult as an adult and trying to get treatment, 402 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 3: you can see a clear level of attempt and oftentimes 403 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 3: it starts with lude behavior as publican decency, voyeurism, touching, grooming. 404 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 3: This is that conversation we've talked about like to see 405 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,120 Speaker 3: what they can get away with, and then it grows. 406 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 3: This is really alarming that people really want to pin 407 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 3: survivors against survivors, saying this is not as bad as this, 408 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 3: and really think that's okay. Don't get me wrong. There 409 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 3: are like, according to the judicial system, levels of intent 410 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 3: versus like levels of harm. But an act of sexual 411 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 3: violence is an act of sexual violence. And even though 412 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 3: for a while the public in society wanting to make 413 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 3: that a joke, this type of sexual violence publican decency 414 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 3: exposing themselves as a joke, they should understand that it 415 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,439 Speaker 3: is very harmful. And I don't know anything about this 416 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 3: young lady's history, but like I said, when I was 417 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 3: flashed as an adult, seeing that was one of the 418 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 3: things that really even talking about it now, I'm a 419 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 3: little shaken, like I want to vomit, But like this 420 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 3: is that conversation like that blows my mind. If nothing else, 421 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 3: like the nothing like if it even had proven that 422 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 3: she had opened the door, whatever, whatnot. 423 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: That's a whole different conversation. But one of the biggest 424 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: things that I'm like, why are we. 425 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:22,719 Speaker 3: Saying, how dare you minimize my experience by having this 426 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 3: experience and talking about it. It's such an odd take, 427 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 3: and of course I'm always going to be that person 428 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 3: that says feels some type of way that other survivors 429 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 3: can't support some survivors, like it's beyond me that you 430 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 3: can't do that. There's a lot in this conversation, but 431 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,919 Speaker 3: I feel like, unfortunately that has opened a lot of 432 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 3: people's eyes or fortunately, it's just unfortunate that that's the 433 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 3: standing we have in society, is that we are backtracking 434 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 3: and seeing many people turn against victims and survivors and 435 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 3: not willing to believe even in this day and age, 436 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 3: even when there's there's evidence that they are still willing 437 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 3: to demonize the victim and survivor more than the perpetrator. Yeah, sorry, y'all, 438 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:13,400 Speaker 3: Happy Monday. 439 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, happy Monday. No, it is very important and we 440 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 2: will all have to come back and revisit it because 441 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 2: there's just so many threats to that conversation that are very, 442 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 2: very scary, and we're seeing them play out in all 443 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 2: kinds of ways. So listeners, if you have any thoughts 444 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 2: or resources about any of this, you can write in 445 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 2: and let us know. You can email us at Hello 446 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 2: at stuff onnever Told You dot com. 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