1 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: Hi everyone, I'm Rachel Zoe and you're listening to Climbing 2 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: in Heel. This show is all about celebrating the most 3 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 1: extraordinary superwoman who will be sharing their incredible journeys to 4 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: the top, all while staying glamorous. Today we're switching things 5 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 1: up again and we're jumping back in and talking more 6 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:30,639 Speaker 1: about my very long journey and work life. A quick reminder, 7 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: if you haven't heard part one and part two, I 8 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: would suggest going back and listening so you have a 9 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: little more insight into my earlier parts of my career 10 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: and where we left off, because you know, it's a 11 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: bit of a blur to me. So back with me again, 12 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: of course, is my producer, and you know I say 13 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: chosen family Mary Elizabeth with Part three of Becoming Rachel. 14 00:00:52,920 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 2: So we are back Becoming Rachel Zoe Part three. So 15 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 2: for all of our listeners, if you haven't listened to 16 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 2: part one and part two, Rachel and I strongly. 17 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 3: Suggest that you do. Did anybody care about one and two? 18 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,199 Speaker 3: They did? They did? They know? They really did. 19 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 2: People have been downloading the episodes, both of them and 20 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 2: on social people have been commenting and dming Climbing in 21 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 2: Heels pod about your life and career, which is very exciting. 22 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 2: So we could set these up to do like part 23 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 2: thirty nine if we really wanted to, but we. 24 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: We What do you mean, I'm only twenty six, so 25 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: there isn't that much history. 26 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 2: I know, it's so funny and I'm twenty six to two, 27 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 2: So I thought we would do these in three chunks. 28 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 1: So this is part three. You know you're going to 29 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: slip in a part four, so. 30 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 2: One hundred percent or I'm just going to let Roger 31 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 2: do his own part four, like his retelling of your 32 00:01:55,320 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 2: life and career. We ended part two on a cliffhanger, 33 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 2: if you will. You were nine months pregnant with your 34 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 2: firstborn and simultaneously you were about to quote unquote give 35 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 2: birth to the Rachel Zoa collection. Yes, so twenty eleven 36 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 2: eleven was a banner year for you. 37 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 3: That was one of the craziest years of my life 38 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 3: for sure. Oh, I'm sure. 39 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:30,839 Speaker 2: So I want to talk about Skyler first, So I mean, 40 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 2: I think you would probably have to do thirty podcasts 41 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 2: to talk about my kids. But going back, what are 42 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 2: some of your memories surrounding those early days of bringing 43 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 2: your baby home for the first time, how did you feel? 44 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 1: You know, it's wild because I often say, like on 45 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: my social media and interviews and things like that, Skyler 46 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: in many ways sort of saved my life. And you know, 47 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 1: I think people at the time how I was living 48 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 1: my life. 49 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 3: I think people would sort of be like, how do 50 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 3: you do it? 51 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: How are you in this many places that you know, 52 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:11,679 Speaker 1: living this schedule. I feel like you don't sleep. I 53 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: feel like you don't this And it was in a 54 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: plane and I was in a different country or whatever. 55 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: And in hindsight, I'm like, I don't know how I 56 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: actually lived that life, right, And I think, you know, 57 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 1: I got pregnant. I don't want to say accidentally. I 58 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 1: would say that I wasn't trying, and I wasn't not trying, 59 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: And I think it was something that I had thought 60 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: was like two years away when it happened, which is 61 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: so funny because I was already like an older mom. 62 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: But I think in that moment, I was such a 63 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: workaholic that I couldn't really see the reality of like. 64 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 3: What was to come. 65 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: And on the one hand, like I knew that I 66 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: was going to be a mother, because you know, my 67 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: nickname has been Mama Zoe. I think since I was 68 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: a teenager and I just remember like even while I 69 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: was pregnant, I never stopped. I had such I was 70 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: very blessed with like the easiest pregnancy with Sky, Like 71 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: just I remember saying like everyone's like, aren't you dying 72 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: to get him out? And I was like, no, actually 73 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: I could totally keep him in for like another six months. 74 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 3: And you were definitely one of those women that was like, 75 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 3: I love being I did. 76 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: I really did not as much with Caius, but definitely 77 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: with Sky. 78 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 3: Loved it. 79 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: He was super easy, brutal delivery, but like great, great pregnancy. 80 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 3: But I think it was also a bit of a. 81 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: Is it like a metaphor where it was sort of 82 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: like I was seeing I don't. 83 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 3: I think a couple of things. 84 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: One, I was very happy to have him in my 85 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:40,359 Speaker 1: stomach and doing my life and working really hard. I 86 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: will never forget like squatting down in fittings to pick 87 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: shoes and fix trains and make hems on gowns, and 88 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:49,359 Speaker 1: my clients and my team looking at me like you 89 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: have to stop squatting like that, like they were just so. 90 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 3: Will break your water, yes, literally. 91 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 1: Because I was literally like down you know how I sit, 92 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: like I'll just squat down in my heels full and 93 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: so not a lot changed. And then I think, I 94 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: think when I had him, and you know, I think 95 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 1: I've told you this before him, but I remember going 96 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 1: on the labor and delivery tour at the hospital and 97 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: looking at Roger and literally I remember standing in the 98 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: delivery room and looking at Roger going I can't do 99 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: this because there was such a panic. There was an 100 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:28,919 Speaker 1: overall panic figuratively and like literally, because I think it 101 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: was sort of I was terrified to obviously push a 102 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 1: human out of my body, sure, but I was also 103 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: terrified of like, how was I doing this right? Because 104 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 1: there were there were days where I didn't shower, there 105 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: were days where I didn't sleep and just pauled all nighters, 106 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 1: and I just was like, how in God's name am 107 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: I going to be a good mom right? 108 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 3: Right? 109 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: And then I think when I had Sky it was 110 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: very traumatic. Obviously at the hospital it came out not crying. 111 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: He went into nik you for two days. I don't 112 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: talk about that that much, but in hindsight, given that 113 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 1: he's a happy, healthy boy, I think we can talk 114 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 1: about it, young man. 115 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:07,359 Speaker 3: But terrifying. And I think I came home with this. 116 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: I was so so just blindly, polarizingly in love with 117 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: him that I couldn't figure out how to get back 118 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 1: to where I was, you know, And I very admittedly 119 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: really like had my head just fully up my ass 120 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 1: for a year, like I just couldn't. I couldn't figure 121 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: out how do I go back to being rachel Zo, Like, 122 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: how do I go back to. 123 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 3: Being that person? 124 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 1: And ultimately what I figured out about a year later 125 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 1: and then when I had Caius after that, I think 126 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: that I wasn't supposed to be the same person. I 127 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: really wasn't supposed to be the same person because that 128 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 1: person wasn't sustainable at least not as a healthy human being. 129 00:06:57,720 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 3: And as a mother, you. 130 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 2: Needed to slow down, to need it to and have 131 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 2: something in your life, yeah, big enough to slow you 132 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 2: down and to sort of re shift your priorities. 133 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 3: One hundred percent. 134 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: And I think as women in general, and I don't 135 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: want to say just women, because I think meant too, 136 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: but I know as women, we hold the bar so 137 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: freaking high for ourselves that like, we don't give ourselves 138 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: the room to not be okay, to not be able 139 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: to do one hundred things at once to and then 140 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: I think as a mother, that is tenfold, right. 141 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 3: Sure, So then I said, okay. 142 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: I only care now that I'm the best mother that 143 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: I could ever be in this lifetime, that I never 144 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to leave my son. I'm taking him everywhere 145 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: I go. I'm not going to miss one breath he takes. 146 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: And by the way, I did that for like almost 147 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: four years. I kind of didn't leave him right like 148 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: I would jump out for twenty four hours, I would go. 149 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: I think the longest trip I took was when he 150 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: was four and Kius was one and I went to 151 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: Australia on a trip which we were just talking about 152 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: and I cried for sixteen hours on the plane. But 153 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: you know, it's funny because of course he has no 154 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: recollection of that, and you don't know that in the moment. 155 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: You don't know that till you're like second, third or 156 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: fourth kid. You're like, ugh, I can leave whenever I want. 157 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: But you know, having my collection that year and launching 158 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: my own clothing line, it was the biggest, like it 159 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: was one of the most successful launches in like contemporary 160 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: line historically. Basically like every window of Burgdors, every window 161 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: of Bloomingdale's, every like along Madison, every all doors at 162 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 1: this like two hundred and fifty doors. And I just 163 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: remember after the success of the collection, the launch, just 164 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: being the vigo that I am. 165 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 3: One may say I'm a pessimist. I just call it 166 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 3: a realist. 167 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: I looked at Roger and I said, oh God, this 168 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 1: should not be this big. This is terrifying, because where 169 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:54,719 Speaker 1: do we go from here? How do we sustain this? 170 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 3: How do we see in this? And so it was. 171 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: Really really scary, But it was a very exciting year 172 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:04,199 Speaker 1: and a challenging one on many levels because I couldn't. 173 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 3: In that time. 174 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 2: So in that time where you said you quote had 175 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 2: your head in your butt, yes, having the baby, did 176 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 2: you feel like anxious. 177 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 3: About not knowing how to balance or was it just 178 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 3: like you only it was like you were in the 179 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 3: dreamy I. 180 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: Was in the dreaming. I was in the dreamy mom. 181 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 1: I was in the dreamy mom phase. And I had 182 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: also just come off just before I had Sky. About 183 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:32,319 Speaker 1: a month before I had Sky, Anne Hathaway was hosting 184 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:36,079 Speaker 1: the oscars. So I also had like bronchitis and a 185 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: sinus infection, and I was like nine months pregnant and 186 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: she was hosting and we did like thirteen outfits or something, 187 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: and I was backstage, and yeah, it was. 188 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 3: It was a wild time. 189 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: And I think after that, I think I was experiencing burnout. 190 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,679 Speaker 1: I think I was experiencing like, I don't want to 191 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 1: miss this like nesting moment. But yet, launching my collection 192 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: was kind of the biggest thing I did career wise 193 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: in about ten years, you know, and terrifying because you're 194 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: out there in the universe and there's no margin for 195 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: error when you're a designer. There just isn't because you 196 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: screw up, like you know, your collection. You're like, it's 197 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: like the life of an actor. You're only as good 198 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: as your last film. Totally, as a designer, you're only 199 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: as good as your last collection. And that's and people 200 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: are going to say that's not true, but it actually 201 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:27,559 Speaker 1: is true. It is true, and it was really scary. 202 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: And so I just remember really focusing on motherhood and 203 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: trying to pick and choose what was most important, because 204 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: I think the biggest learning that happens when you become 205 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: a like a working mother is time efficiency, sure and priority. 206 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,719 Speaker 2: You know, do you feel like you are at all 207 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 2: in that time because you were taking on new titles 208 00:10:55,520 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 2: like Designer Mom, you were slowing your life down significantly 209 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 2: as a stylist. Did you ever feel like you had 210 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 2: any sort of like identity crisis. 211 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 3: Moment of like who am I now? Or that was 212 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 3: really hard for me? All of it? 213 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:15,079 Speaker 1: And it was funny because I don't think I slowed 214 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 1: down my styling until after Caius. So because because I 215 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: remember very clearly having Caius in like ten days after 216 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,079 Speaker 1: I had him, being in a fitting with Jen Lawrence 217 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: for the Oscars, Yes, and. 218 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 3: She was like are you okay? 219 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm great, Like I felt, you know 220 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: what I mean, Like it was wild, And I think 221 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: I think I had a huge identity crisis. And I 222 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: think that's why I still tried to be all things 223 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: to all people, because I think I wasn't sure how 224 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 1: to not. So what I did was I showed up everywhere. 225 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: I did everything, but I took Sky with me. You 226 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:56,079 Speaker 1: just had I had a baby on me. I literally 227 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: had a baby on me at all times in every 228 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: shoot I went to we meet sure that there was 229 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: like a room and there was a place for him, 230 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: and like, you know, but to be honest, in hindsight, 231 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: like that was fantastic for a bit, because I do 232 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 1: believe that's why he's such an adaptable kid. And I 233 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: think it's also why he's so great around adults, sure, 234 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: because he was around so many like from birth honestly, 235 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 1: around new faces and new places really. But at the 236 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: same time, in hindsight, for me, I got to a 237 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: point where I realized, and I think it's about when 238 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: he started preschool, that I wasn't giving one hundred percent 239 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: of myself to either. When they were both there, it 240 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: was hard because I was like, oh, he's in the 241 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: other room, I'm going to go hold him, and n 242 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: da da da, you know. And then when I was 243 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 1: at work, I was like distracted, and when I was him, 244 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: I was trying to do work and I was doing 245 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:54,079 Speaker 1: these calls while he was on my lap and I. 246 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 3: Was breastfeed you know. 247 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: It was it was a little hard, yeah, And so 248 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: I think by the time I had Kayus, I was 249 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 1: sort of like, Okay, I know how to do this, 250 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: Like I know when I can leave him, I know 251 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: when I don't, I know, you know. 252 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 3: And I think it's that's why I always have such. 253 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: A bleeding heart for new moms because I really understand 254 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: how hard it is every on every level, you know. 255 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 3: And I think when you. 256 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: Don't work, it's it's a bit different because your whole 257 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 1: world can revolve around your newborn, but when there's other 258 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: people counting on you and your name's on that door, 259 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: you can't just like vanish. 260 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:39,559 Speaker 3: The stakes are very different, yes, and it's it's hard. 261 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:42,319 Speaker 1: And I you know, I opened a nursery in our 262 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: company that year because it really bothered me that I 263 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: would show up to work with my baby. And there 264 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: were six other new moms that year, your sister in 265 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: law being one of them, and it really bothered me 266 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 1: that they didn't have their baby because I know for 267 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: me and listen, everybody Handell's new motherhood a totally different way. Sure, 268 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: but I think it's only fair for companies to have 269 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 1: the option for them to bring the baby, and not 270 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: everyone takes it. And I think that was my biggest 271 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: learning is that half the moms wanted their babies there 272 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: and half the moms didn't want their baby there because 273 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: they very much liked the compartmentalization, They liked the separation, 274 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: they liked being one hundred percent with baby. They liked 275 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: being one hundred percent at work and then one hundred 276 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: percent with baby at night, you know exactly. And I 277 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: respect that and understand it and everyone's different, but I 278 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: think it's only fair, in my opinion, especially with these 279 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: large companies, to really offer that option, right because I 280 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: actually found that the moms were more productive when the 281 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: babies were there because they didn't feel that pull. I 282 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: got to get home, I got to get home. I 283 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: got to get home. What's he doing now? 284 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 3: Oh? Did the nanny call me? Where are they did daycare? 285 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: You know, it's it just I found was I don't know, 286 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: it's like so interesting because like you were saying about 287 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: big companies or employers looking to hire women specifically, I 288 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: feel like there. 289 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 2: Used to be this slant or stigma that if you 290 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 2: are hiring a mother. 291 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 3: That they were going to check out, they weren't going 292 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 3: to be fully whatever, dialed in or whatever. 293 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 2: And I think it's flipped so much, probably because of 294 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 2: the pandemic, in just the sense of we all work 295 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 2: differently now, but that it's actually those employees are some 296 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 2: of the most time and efficient and productive people on 297 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 2: a team because they get their stuff done, they know 298 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 2: what they have to do because they're onto the next. 299 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 3: So I think it's just interesting for. 300 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 2: Women in general now that like it's no longer an 301 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 2: eye roll or looked down on if you're a working woman. 302 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: No. In fact, one of the most successful stylists that 303 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: I know has young children, and I talked to her 304 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: about it, and I was like, how do you do that, 305 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: because styling is really hard to share. Yeah, And we 306 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: had Carla Welshawan who very openly talked about how hard 307 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: it was in the sacrifaces she made leaving her child. 308 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: And another friend of mine has a stylist, said she 309 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: loves it. She loves leaving her kids because it's like 310 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: she really enjoys coming home to them, and she really 311 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: enjoys leaving them because it's it's like her time. Yeah, 312 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: if that makes sense. And I found that so fascinating 313 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: and so admirable. Actually, yeah, well, because you're so different. 314 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: I mean, you're like any free time, you're yeah, sandwich between. 315 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: I am two. I wonder if it's because I'm an 316 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: older mom, you know, I always say I think, I 317 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: don't know. I feel like I also feel like my 318 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: cup when I started having kids, my cup was so 319 00:16:54,840 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: full and almost like overflowing with stimulation and things that 320 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: I've done and excitement, and it's almost like I had 321 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 1: so many checks that I sort of was like I 322 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,239 Speaker 1: was missing the phone. I didn't have folmo right, And 323 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: I think what I find with my friends that are 324 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: younger moms, there's a lot of FOMO sure, because they 325 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: spend their twenties and thirties having kids, young kids, right, 326 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: and they feel in a way that they've missed the 327 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 1: like dancing on tables, irresponsibility. There's like a suspension and yeah, 328 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: I mean that makes sense, and I danced on enough tables. 329 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 3: Would love to see it now every one on a 330 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 3: while to your two while or two I let it go. 331 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 2: So for the Rachel Zoe for Rachel Zoe collection, was 332 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 2: that an opportunity that you sought out because you or 333 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 2: did it present itself to you? 334 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 1: And you said yes, it presented itself to me and 335 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: one that I was never looking for because when I 336 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 1: became a stylist and after the first sort of couple 337 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: of years of being at like considered a sixsful stylist, 338 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: it's a little bit like when you get engaged and 339 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 1: then everyone's like, when do you get married? When do 340 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 1: you get married? When you get married and then you 341 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 1: get married, ever, it's like. 342 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 3: When do you have kids? When do you have kids? 343 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 3: When are you get to get pregnant? 344 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: Right, So, as a stylist, everyone was like, when are 345 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:16,199 Speaker 1: you going to do your own collection? Because I was 346 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 1: so collaborative with so many designers, and I was so 347 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 1: hands on in the design process, and I think that 348 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,959 Speaker 1: and many stylists are not all, but many are and 349 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: more and more and more now. But everyone said when 350 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:36,479 Speaker 1: are you going to do your own line? And I 351 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: actually said never, which is why I stand here is 352 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 1: telling you I will never see never again. Because everything 353 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: I said I'd never do in my life I've done. 354 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: You've definitely done literally everything I was like, And you've 355 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: never what I write about like I've done them, You've 356 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: really done them. 357 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:52,120 Speaker 3: It's wild. And so. 358 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: I didn't want to become a clothing designer because I 359 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,919 Speaker 1: knew what it meant, right, And I think having so 360 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:05,360 Speaker 1: many dear friends that are so successful at it and 361 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 1: some that aren't as successful at many that are because 362 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 1: not everyone is a Mark Jacobs or you know, I 363 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: mean a Vera Wang or you know, I could name 364 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:17,959 Speaker 1: a hundred others, but like I knew how scary and 365 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,239 Speaker 1: how competitive and how difficult. I had been on the 366 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: inside enough to know that I didn't really want to 367 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:25,120 Speaker 1: do that. 368 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,400 Speaker 3: It's not easy, no, Yeah, and. 369 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:33,679 Speaker 1: I got an opportunity that was seemingly perfect and nothing's perfect, 370 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: as we know, and you know, I just said, okay, 371 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: why not? Why not, like, let me be the creative director, 372 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 1: let me create because that is what I do best, 373 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 1: and then let our partners produce manufacture. 374 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 3: Yeah. 375 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 2: So yeah, when you started, what was your ethos, what 376 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 2: was your inspiration? What were you trying to give consumers 377 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,199 Speaker 2: that they didn't have access to? Well? 378 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 1: I found I felt like there was this huge white 379 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: space for glamour at a price point. And when I 380 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 1: say glamour, I really sort of compare it to the 381 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:18,919 Speaker 1: sort of seventies glamour meets like Tom Ford in his 382 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: like Gucci ya cell Era and that sort of like 383 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: I wanted to sort of bring all of the glamour 384 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: of the seventies in a modern way and sixties honestly 385 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 1: in a very modern, contemporary way at a really attainable 386 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 1: price point and attainable. When I say attainable, still contemporary, 387 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 1: not like at fast fashion prices, and in hindsight, I 388 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 1: kind of wish I launched even more affordable price point, 389 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: but I just think with like what production costs and 390 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,919 Speaker 1: everything else, it just got more expensive. But anyway, that 391 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:57,199 Speaker 1: was my goal was to really and what's funny about 392 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 1: clothing is that some very affordable to some is something 393 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: so unreachable for many totally. And it was funny because 394 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: in the same literal hour that I was doing interviews 395 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 1: or that different customers would come up to me. They're like, 396 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: oh my god, I just bought six of your suits 397 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: to one blank designer that I could have bought, you know, 398 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 1: yours fit me better and whatever, and these other ones 399 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: that I were getting worth ten thousand dollars and I 400 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,959 Speaker 1: got take you know. And it was funny because there 401 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: was this customer that found this so like they would 402 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: buy ten pieces. Yeah, And then I would get all 403 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: these amazing people who were such fans of the collection. 404 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:37,640 Speaker 1: They would be like, I love it, but I can't 405 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: afford a suit, but when it goes on sale and aflis. 406 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: So I found myself in this very like conflicted place 407 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 1: as a designer because I really wanted to I really 408 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: wanted to be so attainable to so many, you know, 409 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: so I struggled a bit with that, but I really 410 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: enjoyed it, and. 411 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 3: I really loved making beautiful things the process. Yeah I did. 412 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:04,439 Speaker 2: When you're designing, yeah, sure, When you're designing and you 413 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 2: have a team that's working on the designs with you, 414 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 2: did you ever struggle or have a hard time approving 415 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:17,199 Speaker 2: or putting your thumbs up on something that you know 416 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 2: personally you wouldn't wear. Yes, but that other people in 417 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,239 Speaker 2: the design team are saying this is trending or this 418 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 2: is cool. 419 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 3: Yes, And that was hard. 420 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 2: That was hard for you to imagine because you yourself, 421 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 2: you have such a specific, defined, iconic look and style 422 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,360 Speaker 2: to yourself, and I'm just curious if you ever were 423 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 2: like it was like a struggle for you to say, 424 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 2: you know what, I'm going to do a mini dress 425 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 2: because I know you're not going to wear a mini dress. 426 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 3: Well, you know. 427 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: I think that's where my styling came in handy, because 428 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: I styled so many different types of women with different 429 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: styles in different body That was incredibly helpful as a 430 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: designer because there was a lot of things that I 431 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: designed and I said I would never in a million 432 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 1: years wear this, but I'll do this with a long 433 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: version and a bell sleeve and a whatever. And you 434 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: know I would make a skinny pan or a little 435 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: cigarette pan, and you know i'd only wear the wide 436 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 1: leg or the flare right. And like I have friends 437 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: that would, when I say, never wear a long dress, 438 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,959 Speaker 1: even to black tides. They were minis. Their legs are 439 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: always out minis, middies to the knee. Like there's there's 440 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: no gown in their life, and even if there is, 441 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 1: it's short in the front, longe in the buck right. 442 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: So I think for me, that wasn't the challenge for me. 443 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,439 Speaker 1: I think the challenge for me was honestly designing at 444 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: a price point because the things that I dreamed of, 445 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: And I think that was where my styling career actually 446 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: hurt me a bit, because I was working with the 447 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: best of the best of the best to create these 448 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: like cature, one of a kind looks, and then to 449 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: try and sort of like make these gowns at certain 450 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: price points with materials that I did love. In certain cases, 451 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: I was shocked. I was like, oh my god, this 452 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:09,360 Speaker 1: is just as good as the one that I did. 453 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: You know, I made for so and so, or designed 454 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: for so and so. But there were definitely those challenges. 455 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:15,959 Speaker 1: And I found a lot of the times that the 456 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: things that I loved the most and was the most 457 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 1: excited about didn't get produced. And that was that was 458 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: actually the bigger challenge for me, honestly. 459 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 3: Like pieces you loved in the line and they just 460 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 3: didn't see the light of day. 461 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, like a coat that was like an art piece, 462 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: like but not like unwearable in any way, but it 463 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 1: just would never make it. 464 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 3: It just wasn't commercial enough, you know. 465 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:40,199 Speaker 1: And I think that's ultimately why I just started to 466 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: lose my love for being a designer, you know, because 467 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's a very complicated business, and I 468 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: think it's a business where for me it became ten 469 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 1: percent creative and ninety percent just politics and business, and 470 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: I lost the love for it. And I think when 471 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 1: I set out to be a designer, it was meant 472 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: to be a part of my job, not my entire job. 473 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: And I think the ones that most people know of, 474 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: where like the Tory Birch or the Vera Wang or 475 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: the Michael Cores, it's like they are designers. They are 476 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: designers through and through right, and that is who they are, 477 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: and that is that's their life mission and dream. That's it, 478 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: you know, And I think for me to try and 479 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: make that part of the dream, it's a very hard. 480 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 3: Thing to do, right. 481 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 2: I mean, it's a testament though to the line, because 482 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 2: a lot of place as you go, I hear women 483 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 2: tell you I still am obsessed with the suit or 484 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 2: every day pants every day, or this velvet blazer or whatever. 485 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 1: By the way, I still wear all my clothes. I did, 486 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 1: surely wear them almost every day. I wear my collection, 487 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 1: and yes, everywhere I go people are like, oh my god, 488 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: your suit's my favorite. You're you know this gown that 489 00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 1: I got from you in two thousand and whatever, it was, like, 490 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: I still wear it to every black tie and that listen. 491 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: That makes me so happy and I'm happy to design again. 492 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: I just can't make it my full time job. Yeah, 493 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 1: you know, like I'd like to design for others and 494 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: I'd like to be a creative director forever for everything. 495 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe to a collab here one hundred percent. So 496 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 3: what was your proudest moment as a designer. Oh, that's easy. 497 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: My proudest moment as a designer, well, my very first 498 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:31,679 Speaker 1: collection j LO came out literally like all of a sudden, 499 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 1: she just was in this like pop Rozzi shot wearing 500 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: my white mini tuxedo dress the Queen, and that was 501 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: like a that was like a I couldn't even breathe, 502 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,959 Speaker 1: you know, because and Taylor Swift wore my clothes and 503 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 1: I Olivia Wild Warma and I and unsolicited, like it 504 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,640 Speaker 1: wasn't I didn't send them out, I didn't beg stylists 505 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 1: to put them on. 506 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 3: And I think for me that was an. 507 00:26:55,600 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 1: Ultimate like surreal moment because I was like, oh, oh 508 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 1: my god, like I'm on the other side of this now, 509 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 1: this is wild, like like I didn't pay anyone to 510 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,399 Speaker 1: wear this. I didn't send these to anybody, like I 511 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 1: didn't beg anyone. I didn't ask for a favor they chose. 512 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 1: So that was like, for me, a really a dream 513 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: moment for many reasons because it was stylists that were 514 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: supporting me, which was huge because in my day, stylists 515 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: did not support each other. 516 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 3: So that was really big. 517 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: And that was Carla Welsh and Robin Muriel supporting me, 518 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: and Joseph Cassell, Taylor Swift stylist, and so that was amazing. 519 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 3: And then also. 520 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 1: Just sort of witnessing it, kind of feeling that rush 521 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: that I had been giving designers throughout my career, and 522 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: I understood what it felt like to see your clothes 523 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: in the wild on the biggest stars in the world. 524 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 1: That was just completely surreal to me, and so that 525 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 1: was really amazing. But I would say, without question, the 526 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: most proud moment I had as a designer was when 527 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 1: I started to sketch, think about, like really creating my 528 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 1: mind a look for the met Ball in twenty and twelve, 529 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: I think it was, and I created a look for 530 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,640 Speaker 1: Carolina Karkova, one of the biggest supermodels who's still very 531 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:21,360 Speaker 1: dear friend. 532 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 2: And. 533 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: Created this look for her, and it was an homage 534 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: that year to Scott Brelli and just you know, she 535 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,919 Speaker 1: wore this incredible head wrap and this gown and just 536 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: the way that I imagine the dress. It came out 537 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 1: like as I dreamed of it, and it was sort 538 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: of this like three sixty moment in my career where 539 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 1: it was like being a designer, being a stylist, being 540 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: a collaborator. Carolina just amused forever just wearing it and 541 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 1: her standing like this tall, beautiful swan and the way 542 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: that she stood on the carpet was like it was 543 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: almost like that's why they're supermodels, right, you really understand 544 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: in those moments that what makes them supermodels is the 545 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 1: fact that they just know how to stand, they know 546 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 1: how to move, they know how to pose, they know 547 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: how to bring something to life. And you know, that 548 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: was really, when I think about it, like the biggest 549 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 1: dream of my life. It was all my creativity and 550 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: all of my like hard work, and my team and 551 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: that the guy the design director, the art director, design 552 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: director who was working with me at the time, Eric 553 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 1: just we all just it just came true on every front. 554 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: It was a fashion fairy tale. It was a fashion 555 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 1: fairy tale. And after that I just remember going, I 556 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,239 Speaker 1: can I can retire, like I'm done, because because at 557 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: that point I just said, like I'm done, this can't 558 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: get better for me. 559 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 2: Like this was well a perfectionist like you, for you 560 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 2: to be thoroughly happy with the way it turned out 561 00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 2: that I would also say to you, you should retire. 562 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: And I secondarily made a dress for myself that was 563 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 1: like a fringe dress that weighed like eight hundred pounds, 564 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: oh gosh, and I loved the dress. 565 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 3: I really do need to wear that again. 566 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: But I was so secondary and I did my I 567 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 1: remember getting my makeup done and I like hated my 568 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: makeup because I just I was so nervous. Honestly, I 569 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: was so nervous that met carpet is so terrifying, and 570 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: I was so nervous that the gown was going to 571 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: rip and her Carolina something was going to go wrong, 572 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: and like, it's just my stylist mentality, like anything that 573 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 1: could go wrong in those moments typically does, and you 574 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 1: were paring for the worst. I was, and so I 575 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: was super anxious. And when I look at those pictures, 576 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 1: I literally like, I'm going to my grave, Like I 577 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 1: literally look, I'm white. 578 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 3: As a ghost, my terrified. I was terrified. I was 579 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 3: so nervous. 580 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean I'm still you know, I definitely 581 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: in those moments, Like I definitely still get butterflies, and 582 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: I still think about everything that can go wrong. 583 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 3: Honestly. 584 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, doesn't change that doesn't you don't change you are 585 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 1: I still exactly that person as you know. 586 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 2: I mean that makes sense though. So you have created 587 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 2: the Rachel Zoa collection. You just spoke about how one 588 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 2: of the missions or goals for you was to create 589 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 2: something that was attainable or you wanted it to be 590 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 2: attainable to as many people as possible. So I think 591 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 2: that is a great cue for us to talk about curatour, yes, 592 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 2: and what the mission, what it is and what the 593 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 2: mission of curetur was formerly called Box of Style because 594 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 2: that is the perfect example of you wanting to bring 595 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 2: your love of glamour and fashion and style to the masses. 596 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 2: So Box of Style as it was originally called, yep. 597 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 1: So I think through so Roger, coming from media and 598 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 1: Internet and everything else. 599 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,040 Speaker 3: Literally, I think. 600 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: We wanted to figure out a way that I could 601 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 1: touch style and curate for as many women as possible, 602 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 1: and we set out to figure out how I could 603 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: actually do that. How can I because there wasn't a 604 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: day that passed where like my social media and at 605 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 1: the time like mostly Twitter and my Instagram, like I 606 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: wish you could style me? 607 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 3: What should I wear to this? What you know? 608 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: And everwhere I went, no matter where I was in 609 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 1: the world, do you like this dress? Do you like 610 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 1: what I'm wearing? Don't look at me like da da 611 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 1: da da? What do I wear to the wedding? And 612 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,239 Speaker 1: I think Cure a Tour was really born out of 613 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: the mission to try and help women with basically every 614 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: aspect of their life, how to get dressed, how to entertain, 615 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: how to have that perfect piece of jewelry every season, 616 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: which one do I buy? 617 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 3: What do I need for my life? And really try 618 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 3: and make a selection. 619 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 1: Of luxury, fashion and beauty items that got delivered to 620 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: your door so you didn't have to do anything and 621 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 1: really do a curation every season for every woman. Honestly, Yeah, 622 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 1: like that was really the idea of this and Roger 623 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 1: really it was really his idea, and then we started 624 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,239 Speaker 1: to just kind of you know, ID eight and just 625 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: kind of figure out what it would look like and 626 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 1: what that could be. 627 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 3: And that's really how Curator started, right And I think 628 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 3: it's interesting to think about. I mean, cure Tor is 629 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 3: and was. 630 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 2: It's a subscription modeled business and I think when Box 631 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 2: of Styles started. 632 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 3: That was such. 633 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 2: It was a popular business model. Yes, And I think 634 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,479 Speaker 2: it's so interesting because you and Roger have really stayed 635 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 2: true to the mission of Curator with serving as many 636 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 2: women as you can in terms of giving them all 637 00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 2: of their fashion, beauty, lifestyle needs. 638 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 3: Meeting them through Crator. 639 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 2: But I think it's just so interesting because what you've 640 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:10,280 Speaker 2: built maintaining the subscription model is like a. 641 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,879 Speaker 3: Real community now of women. 642 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 2: And it's such a natural and interesting extension of you, 643 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 2: Rachel Zoe as the stylist, as a creative director, as 644 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 2: a designer, all your titles, to have this really engaged 645 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 2: and excited community of women that love what you're providing 646 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,799 Speaker 2: to them season overseason and Curator and you definitely can 647 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,239 Speaker 2: speak this better than I can. It offers so much 648 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 2: more now than when we started. 649 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 1: Which was five products every season, and I think, listen, 650 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,239 Speaker 1: I think the mission for me is really to try 651 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 1: and help women with that horrible, terrifying process of what 652 00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:01,839 Speaker 1: to buy each season, and also provide the curation at 653 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:06,319 Speaker 1: a price right and give you know, incredible value for 654 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:11,400 Speaker 1: you know, so much less. Basically you're getting so much 655 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 1: for so little. And that's really it. I mean, it's 656 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 1: really and just you know, creating content around each item 657 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,840 Speaker 1: and how to wear it and how to style it 658 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 1: and why you should have it. 659 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,280 Speaker 3: And what I found is, honestly, it's the greatest gift. 660 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,279 Speaker 3: It is an excellent gift. 661 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 1: People are obsessed with gifting Curator because it's literally the 662 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 1: gift that keeps on giving. I hate to like use cliches, 663 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,879 Speaker 1: but like it really does. Yeah, And it's funny every 664 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,440 Speaker 1: time I give them to people. The emails that I 665 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 1: get are just like, oh my god, I never want 666 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 1: to stop getting this. 667 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 3: I never like, I'm so obsessed with this. I gave 668 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 3: this to my sister. 669 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 1: She gave you know, her last season's you know, blanket 670 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 1: to me because she already had a blanket, but I 671 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,799 Speaker 1: gave her my necklace. It's like this great like trading thing. 672 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,360 Speaker 1: It's just like Bart's fun. It kind of reminds me 673 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,760 Speaker 1: of like being younger and just having like favorite things 674 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,719 Speaker 1: and like sort of just meeting your friends and like 675 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: going over your things. And I don't know, it's it's 676 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 1: just I don't know. I have a lot of fun 677 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 1: doing it. Our team has so much fun working on it, 678 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 1: and you know, I think it's a great it's just 679 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,239 Speaker 1: a great sort of community. 680 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, we've built that. Just love it. It's amazing. It's 681 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 3: really great. 682 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 2: And you know, if you follow on social media, you'll 683 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,240 Speaker 2: see different events that care Tour does, and it's really 684 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 2: just become a very exciting part of your world. Yeah, 685 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,279 Speaker 2: and growing too, and a growing part of your life, 686 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 2: which is cool. So I also want to touch on 687 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 2: because while we've talked about your career and sort of 688 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 2: three chunks if you will, or sections woven throughout eighty 689 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 2: or eighty woven throughout all of this, I just want 690 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 2: you to talk about your philanthropy because I know personally 691 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:03,840 Speaker 2: how important it is to you and how much time 692 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:11,239 Speaker 2: and energy and literally treasure you've donated. So like just 693 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,719 Speaker 2: talking about the charities that have been important to you 694 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,320 Speaker 2: throughout your adulthood. 695 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,799 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, listen, I think I have made it. 696 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,799 Speaker 1: At some point, you sort of have to pick and choose, right, 697 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 1: You have to pick and choose where you're going to 698 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:30,880 Speaker 1: put both your time efforts, your emotional efforts, and your 699 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:35,680 Speaker 1: financial efforts. Right, And it became very clear to me, 700 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,400 Speaker 1: funny enough, before I became a mother that my focus 701 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:44,960 Speaker 1: was going to be kids, children, children's charities and different 702 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 1: foundations and organizations as well as women's cancers and the like. 703 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:55,759 Speaker 1: And it's hard for me because my heart sort of 704 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 1: dictates my decision making most of the time, and I 705 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 1: will say yes to everything. And what ended up happening 706 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,800 Speaker 1: was I started to I became an early board member 707 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:07,840 Speaker 1: of Baby to Baby. 708 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 3: I think from day. 709 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,399 Speaker 1: One, along with one of my best friends who's one 710 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:16,120 Speaker 1: of the founders, Kelly Sawyer, Patrick Hof and her co 711 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,080 Speaker 1: president Nor Weinstein, and Baby to Baby we started. The 712 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,279 Speaker 1: first year we raised twenty five thousand dollars and then 713 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 1: last year just under twelve million dollars at the gallot 714 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 1: ten years. 715 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 3: Later, so it's incredible. 716 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:33,360 Speaker 1: But we also went from serving local children and families 717 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,880 Speaker 1: to serving all over the country and around the world 718 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,680 Speaker 1: and creating our own diapers and things like that because 719 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 1: the need is so mind boggling overwhelming, and especially since 720 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:45,320 Speaker 1: post pandemic. 721 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,880 Speaker 3: And I know where every dollar of that money goes. 722 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 1: And I can tell you that being part of organizations 723 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,720 Speaker 1: like Baby to Baby, being an ambassador for Save the Children, 724 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 1: which literally the work that Saved the Children does is 725 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 1: around the world and affecting you know, they're like the 726 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,720 Speaker 1: first ones there in any disaster. Listen, if I didn't 727 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,399 Speaker 1: have eighteen jobs, I can tell you without question it's 728 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 1: the only thing I would do is work with Baby 729 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:18,680 Speaker 1: to Baby. Even more say the children Children's Hospital La 730 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:24,000 Speaker 1: Saint Jude's all of it. I've also been very involved 731 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:29,000 Speaker 1: with Core Response, which is an organization that sham Penn 732 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,960 Speaker 1: started and he started after the big Haiti earthquake. I 733 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,960 Speaker 1: don't know how many years ago it is, maybe ten. 734 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:36,600 Speaker 3: I feel like maybe a while now. Yeah, but I 735 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:40,640 Speaker 3: mean completely devastated, yeah Heiti. I mean completely devastated Haiti. 736 00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,160 Speaker 1: But what Sean has gone on to do And I 737 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,080 Speaker 1: say Sean and his partner and they are on the ground. 738 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,960 Speaker 1: This is not like champagn Hey, I'm doing a charity. 739 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,800 Speaker 1: This is Sean Penn flying to every place and literally 740 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:59,000 Speaker 1: living there himself in the unsafe, unhealthy conditions and you know, 741 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:01,000 Speaker 1: really making a huge impact. 742 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,840 Speaker 3: COVID they do Listen. I could go on for days. 743 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:09,000 Speaker 1: Core is unreal and they are again also first ones 744 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,080 Speaker 1: on the ground and disaster around the world in the 745 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,640 Speaker 1: Ukraine this year, and it goes on. So what I 746 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:19,840 Speaker 1: would say to that is my philanthropic involvement and efforts. 747 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:25,600 Speaker 1: It never feels like enough, And unfortunately there's so much 748 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,440 Speaker 1: need with all of it. And I'm also involved with BCRF, 749 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:36,280 Speaker 1: Press Cancer Research Foundation and WCRF and Listen, cancer organizations, 750 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:40,680 Speaker 1: children's organizations, hunger, all of it. You guys, there's just 751 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,080 Speaker 1: so much that has to be done. And I come 752 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 1: from this school of if you have a voice, and 753 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,399 Speaker 1: you have a platform. You have to use it. 754 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:52,839 Speaker 3: You don't have to. You choose what you do. 755 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,640 Speaker 1: But I will say it really gets under my skin 756 00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,120 Speaker 1: people that do have these tremendous platforms and don't use 757 00:40:58,160 --> 00:40:59,960 Speaker 1: it for certain organs. 758 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,279 Speaker 3: And sometimes, in my. 759 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,279 Speaker 1: Opinion, you can really tell the people that do it 760 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,799 Speaker 1: for pr and do it because they really sure do it. 761 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,640 Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean I wish I could do even more, 762 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:15,000 Speaker 1: But it's important to me that woven very deeply throughout 763 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:20,240 Speaker 1: my family, with not just me, but really really ingraining 764 00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,560 Speaker 1: that in my kids from you know, I would realistically 765 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:27,680 Speaker 1: say that Skylar started to understand it at five before that. 766 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,440 Speaker 1: I tried before that, but they don't really have a 767 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:31,800 Speaker 1: grasp on what it means. 768 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,120 Speaker 3: Sure, but I do. 769 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:39,800 Speaker 1: I do recommend that people bring their kids into organizations, local, anything, 770 00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,960 Speaker 1: just so that like our kids of privilege can see 771 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,120 Speaker 1: the real world as soon as they're able to really 772 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,319 Speaker 1: understand what that means, you know. 773 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:51,839 Speaker 3: Or is empathetic children. Yeah, I have to. 774 00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,120 Speaker 1: That's our responsibility. Yeah, you know, at least that's how 775 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,880 Speaker 1: I feel. I can't tell people how to parent, to try, 776 00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,080 Speaker 1: I can try, or we'll just. 777 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,160 Speaker 3: Start a parenting podcast. 778 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:05,680 Speaker 2: Oh god, well, thank you yeah for doing this part 779 00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:06,600 Speaker 2: three with me? 780 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,120 Speaker 3: Anytime, babe, anytime. Let me know when we're doing four 781 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,239 Speaker 3: or five, six? Oh that's right, Stay tuned. 782 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:17,640 Speaker 1: Everyone want my style advice from season to season. That's 783 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,560 Speaker 1: exactly what you'll get when you sign up for my 784 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,600 Speaker 1: membership care tour. 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I think there might be 794 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,160 Speaker 1: a part four or five, six, seven, eight. I have 795 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,000 Speaker 1: no idea, but again, I'm only thirty seven years old, 796 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:05,560 Speaker 1: so it's not that long. 797 00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:06,600 Speaker 3: I've just done a lot. 798 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,200 Speaker 1: So I hope you're a little bit inspired or at 799 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:12,920 Speaker 1: least entertained by these conversations. And if you want more 800 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,400 Speaker 1: climbing and heals content. Follow me on at rachel Zo 801 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,640 Speaker 1: and at Climbing Inhales pod on Instagram for more updates 802 00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,879 Speaker 1: on upcoming guests, episodes, and all things Parator, and I'll 803 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:26,239 Speaker 1: see you all next week.