1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Oh, I've been waiting for this one. This would do 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: intelligence agencies running cults. Oh man, We we learned so 3 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: much in the years following this classic episode that, like, 4 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: if we went back in time and talk to each 5 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: other now about this or the future versions of uh 6 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,080 Speaker 1: Been Matt Noel went and talked to the past versions 7 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 1: of Noel, Matt and Ben, we would sound like crazy people. Yeah, 8 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 1: it's true. I mean we already do a little bit sometimes, 9 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: but this would just exacerbate that experience for sure. And 10 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: in this case, we're discussing whether or not there's any 11 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 1: kind of strategy to having control of occult, Like, is 12 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: there a reason that an intelligence agency could make use 13 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: of a group of like minded people that follow a 14 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: single leader or maybe a group of people? Why would 15 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: you want that? And has it happened? Let's stick around. 16 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: You might just find out from UFOs two Ghosts and 17 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: government cover ups. History is riddled with unexplained events. You 18 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: can turn back now or learn the stuff they don't 19 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 1: want you to now, Wall wall, wall long, Welcome back 20 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: to the show, everyone. This is stuff they don't want 21 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: you to know. I'm Matt and I'm Ben. Welcome back, 22 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: guys today it's getting exciting. You know, listeners can't see 23 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 1: this right now, Matt, but you have a you have 24 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: a weird grin on an air of mischief about And 25 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 1: perhaps it's just the most wonderful time of the year, 26 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: which is what you want to call Halloween on this show. 27 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: Or maybe you got something up your sleeves there. Maybe 28 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: every time salmon comes around. I feel a little bit 29 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: that way. Yes, the correct pronunciation, which we learned the 30 00:01:55,200 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: hard way. Yes. Uh, listeners out there who also watch 31 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: our videos, you know that Ben and I have tried 32 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: our hand at starting one of those what do you 33 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: call them? Cults? Um, it went pretty well, it did. 34 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: You can actually see some of the results in a 35 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: video series that we did. One episode in particular wherein Matt, 36 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: you as the cult leader, have sent me out to 37 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: proselytize our coworkers. Well, I will say that I was 38 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 1: not self appointed. Well, you know, sometimes the Godhead just 39 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: finds you right. Right, So we we do have a 40 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:37,239 Speaker 1: video where we take a satirical look at some of 41 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: the some of the operations that cults. You some of 42 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: the techniques would be a better work, right, How occult 43 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: begins right, and how a cult grows, and how it 44 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: maintains loyalty ideology and pushes people into increasingly unusual decisions. 45 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: Right sure, And uh, you know if if you work 46 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: in the law or if you work with logistics, then 47 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 1: you're well aware of decision trees and how with a 48 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: little bit of forethought and with some careful puppet stringing, 49 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 1: you can place people, uh, very easily into a situation 50 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 1: that they would have never ever in a million years 51 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: thought they would do. And which brings us to our 52 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: next side of the story here. And what's that meant? Well, 53 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: we're asking an interesting question here today. Do intelligence agencies 54 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: run cults? Uh? What an interesting question yet fascinating even 55 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: now in the United States. When we say intelligence agencies, 56 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: we're talking specifically in this sense about things like the 57 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: FBI and the CIA, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Central 58 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: Intelligence Agency. And we know that these alphabet agencies, specifically 59 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: those two and also the n s A and several 60 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: other of them, they are actively monitoring groups, all kinds 61 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: of individuals that they consider to be let's say, possible 62 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: threats to the national security. Can you guys hear the 63 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: finger quotations we just put around that the air quotes. 64 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: That's because national security is often vaguely defined and increasingly so. 65 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: So just for examples. Uh, what what's something that these 66 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: agencies would monitor. One that you are probably aware of 67 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 1: is the occupy movement that happened several years ago and 68 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: is still ongoing today. Um. You can look there's um 69 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 1: a Guardian article that we looked at about how the 70 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: FBI coordinated the entire crackdown, well not the entire but 71 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: a large portion of the crackdown on the occupy movement. Um, 72 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: and that's by Naomi Wolf. You can check that out. Yeah, 73 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: we've got a quotation here. Part of this that we 74 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: pulled from this article for you guys to hear is uh. 75 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: In this article in the Guardian, Naomi Wolf talks about 76 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: the documents that emerged showing how closely the alphabet agencies 77 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 1: and private sector entities cooperated, sometimes merging into a single 78 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 1: entity known as the Domestic Security Alliance Counsel. Here's a 79 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: quote and reveals this merged entity to have one centrally planned, 80 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: locally executed mission. The documents and short show the cops 81 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: and Department of Homeland Security working for and with banks 82 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: to target, arrest and politically disabled peaceful American citizens. That 83 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: really happened. Yeah, yeah, yep, And we know that that's 84 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: not the first time it happens. We know that throughout 85 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: US history, other groups have been civilian groups, mind you, 86 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: have been monitored by the FBI in particular, but also 87 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: other government agencies, and the FBI in particular because it's 88 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: within the United States, that's why they're the agency looking 89 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 1: at it. And we've looked at this before with Coentel pro. 90 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:00,359 Speaker 1: When you look at the way that they handled the 91 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: FBI handled MLK Martin Luther King Jr. And how like 92 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 1: how they monitored his phone calls, they watched all of it, 93 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: like all kinds of just spying on this guy, went 94 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: through his mail, yeah, manipulating, sending him threats. Very interesting 95 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: and scary. Then you've also got the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, right, Yeah, 96 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: the s c LC as well as m OKA and 97 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: other members affiliated. Both individuals and groups affiliated with the 98 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: civil rights movement were aggressively monitored and targeted, but they 99 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:36,919 Speaker 1: weren't the only ones. There was also what would be 100 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 1: called the New Left, where people pushing for Irish independence, 101 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 1: an exile group called Cuban Power UH and people fighting 102 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 1: for Puerto ricandependence and so on. It even gets a 103 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: little bit crazier than that. We're talking about monitoring, right, Yeah, 104 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: groups that you would not think would be monitored and 105 00:06:54,560 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 1: try me really okay. Vegetarians, Oh the isis of restaurants. Huh. 106 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: They're dangerous, man, more dangerous than you could ever know. 107 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: Also environmentalists, And I can see the angle with environmentalists 108 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: because there is the uh I don't I forget the 109 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: term for it. Eco terrorism? Yeah, um, I mean that 110 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: does exist, that is a real thing. But vegetarians, I'm 111 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: trying to think if maybe there's an angle for on 112 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: Santo to get involved. I wonder that's not a bad question. 113 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: We have a we have an interesting story to point 114 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: you toward. Check out the story of an informant named Anna. 115 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: And Anna was asked to infiltrate things like vegan potlucks, 116 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: looking for eco terrorists, people who would be a threat 117 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: to h quote unquote national security. Right. I watched recently 118 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: a movie on HBO. I believe it was called The East. 119 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: I think that's what it's called. How about eco terrorists 120 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: and this other are independent agency that sends people to 121 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: infiltrate them and I wonder where some of maybe the 122 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: story of Anna comes into play. Yeah, now, from what 123 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: we understand, the informant Anna is came forward because this 124 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: person may or may not be female, but clearly I 125 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: think it's female. Uh, this person is disillusioned with the 126 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: strategies used by domestic intelligence agencies. If you haven't checked 127 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: it out yet, checked out our video about whether the 128 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: whether these guys are on the up and up and 129 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: obeying the law when they do the monetary and they 130 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: certainly were not doing it during co and Telpro, which 131 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 1: is why Congress changed some of the laws. But how 132 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: many of those laws got changed back a little tidbit 133 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 1: here in two thousand and two under the Bush administration, 134 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: some of those laws were rescinded in the interest of 135 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: wait for it, National Secure a d We better not 136 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: make that a drinking game, because somebody's going to get 137 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: alcohol poisoning. Um. And you know this. We also know 138 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: that if we're just talking about monitoring a lot of 139 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: socialist leaning religious groups that were anti war pacifist groups 140 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 1: have been targeted. In short, Matt, they could target pretty 141 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: much anyone they wanted, But did they actually infiltrate these groups? Well, 142 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,079 Speaker 1: we're gonna find out really soon. After a quick word 143 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: from one of our sponsors, and we're back and we 144 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: can answer this question. In the previous part of the podcast, 145 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:49,559 Speaker 1: we talked about monitoring groups illegally, but now it's time 146 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:53,839 Speaker 1: to talking about something else. Right, Infiltration, Now that's another 147 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: thing that we've talked about several times video, But for 148 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: this we're talking about civilian groups and relig just groups 149 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: and how the FBI has infiltrated them before. Right, Yes, 150 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: infiltrated them, but not just to infiltrate and surveil, not 151 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: just infiltrate as an informant. There's a line that they crossed. 152 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 1: So if our question is to intelligence agencies run cults, 153 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 1: we know that they have certainly influenced religions, and you 154 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: and I know, of course, and listeners you know if 155 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: you watched for video on cults, that the division between 156 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: a religion and occult is a little bit gray. Just 157 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: as one person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter, one 158 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 1: person's religion is another person's cult. So we know that 159 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:42,959 Speaker 1: the FBI CIA have used informants to enter into Weather Underground, 160 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: which was a group active a few decades before our time. Listeners, 161 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: some of you may remember the days of Weather Underground. 162 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: We know that more recently and controversially, uh, the FBI 163 00:10:54,880 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: has placed informants in mosques in the United States. Uh. 164 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: We covered this in our video. Is the FBI manufacturing terrorists? 165 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: Why do we use that title? Man, Well, it's because 166 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: it has to do with entrapment in one way, and 167 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 1: then also sending informants in to try and rile up 168 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: a group. So in this guy's case, Craig Montel, he 169 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: went into a mosque and while he was doing surveillance 170 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: on most of the people in one of these mosques, 171 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: she was also he was also talking to them about 172 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: jihad and trying to rile everybody up. And what they 173 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: did is they contacted Well, first of all, they put 174 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: a restraining order, so they said, don't come back here anymore. 175 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 1: This is not what Islam is about. Yeah, we are 176 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,079 Speaker 1: not the people you're looking for. And then they also 177 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: called the FBI. Yeah, and they said, look, there's this 178 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: crazy guy who is trying to bomb places and trying 179 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,199 Speaker 1: to get members of our mosque in there, and he's 180 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:02,839 Speaker 1: harassing people and the FBI. You know, I can't imagine 181 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:06,199 Speaker 1: the phone call that happened between there when someone said 182 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,559 Speaker 1: someone said, yeah, there's this guy who is uh, we 183 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: got a report that there may be terrorist activity at 184 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: this mosque, and who reported it the mosque and then 185 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: go okay, well, thank you for the call. They put 186 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: the phone down, heavy sigh. They pick it up and 187 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,839 Speaker 1: they ring and they go, Craig, the jig is up, 188 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: get out of there. I mean, but that that has 189 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: to be that that is such an important question though, 190 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,439 Speaker 1: and that goes to the question of infiltration versus running 191 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 1: or influencing occult because the the idea here that critics 192 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 1: of this would would site is just as you said, 193 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: matt entrapment, you know exactly. And so let's let's look 194 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 1: at another place that they've infiltrated. Another topic that we've 195 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: covered heavily owned video recently are NGOs, non government organizations 196 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: and the c i A. We we mentioned that they 197 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: send assets in two look at groups such as oh, 198 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: I don't know, Peace Corps US aid right, yeah, there 199 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 1: are a lot of them, and it is sometimes with 200 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: the organization's understanding that they'll be sending in an informant 201 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: or an asset, and sometimes it's without that understanding. It's 202 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,959 Speaker 1: just what who knew that John Doe wasn't really from 203 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: every town Kansas. It's so weird to me. It happens, 204 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: you know, it happens, and uh it's also part of 205 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 1: the reason why we hear such a stink. When people 206 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: who are working for Western n GEO are detained in uh, 207 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: non Western country, often there's this implication, whether true or not, 208 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: and I think you have to go case by case 209 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: basis whether true or not, there's this implication from the 210 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: capturing country that these people were not you know, kids 211 00:13:56,800 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: work college kids, working for the Peace Corps. They were uh, 212 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: plants from the CIA or some other intelligence agency. I 213 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 1: can't imagine being in that position, finding someone from an 214 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: n g O who's doing something extremely suspicious and they go, oh, man, okay, 215 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: uh this could be a CIA agent. Uh gotta handle 216 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: this carefully. Yeah, oh man, I see, Yeah, that's a 217 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: really weird phone call to get to. And then they 218 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: call the They call the CIA. The guy goes, oh, 219 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: what really, and he hangs up. He says thank you, 220 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: hangs up the phone, He lets out along sigh. He 221 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: picks it up, dials the number, and says, Craig beautiful 222 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: back as far as we know, ladies and gentlemen, that 223 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: did not actually happen. But what does happen on a 224 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: regular basis is that foreign intelligence assets are also put 225 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: in State Department in bussies. Right. We also know that 226 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: there's very compelling evidence of CIA and FBI front companies 227 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: and were dummy organizations, which you and I covered in 228 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: some of our Gary web stuff. Right. So these we 229 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: airline companies with names that are just so vague and 230 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: boring like Premier Executive Transportation Services. I fell asleep just 231 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: reading that out loud, uh, and inter Mountain Aviation. We 232 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: also know that financial organizations also operate in foreign countries, 233 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: you know, a shell company for the purpose of funneling money. 234 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: So what does this all tell us? Well, to me, 235 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: it says that our initial question at the top perhaps 236 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: isn't all that crazy. Maybe a government agency or a 237 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: project really could involve some kind of front cult or 238 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: a dummy cult. Okay, So then let's go over some 239 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: of the illegal things, straight up illegal that the c I, A, 240 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: n FBI and or FBI have done proven. Yes, oh okay, 241 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: all right, um, let's see where does start. There's a 242 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: good one that I can go. Okay, hit me with 243 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: your best shot. Almost started singing, mk ultra, that's nothing 244 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: to sing about, mk ultra. We've also done some videos 245 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: on that. Mk Ultra, as you know, is a blanket 246 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: term for a series of related experiments which involved everything 247 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: from trying to create a real life Manchurian candidate that 248 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: would be brainwashed assassin on command two, uh, seeing if 249 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: LSD was a truth serum, and just looking at how 250 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: humans interact when they're on hallucinogens that way. And I 251 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: still think that one guy was assassinated. I don't think 252 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: he Yeah, I don't think he just did acid and 253 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: jumped out of a window. Yeah. Again, that's my personal opinion, folks. 254 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 1: That is not that is not in any way proven 255 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: the official stories that he committed suicide. Yeah, and he wouldn't. 256 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: He wouldn't be the first or last person to jump 257 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: from a high building on some kind of you know drug. However, Uh, 258 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 1: I have to a lot of force to propel yourself 259 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: through glass. Right, All right, well, okay, what uh what 260 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 1: about the Tuskegee experiment right where a group of people, 261 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: I forget what state it was in, but they were 262 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:26,360 Speaker 1: not given they were okay, they had syphilis, but they 263 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 1: were not treated, uh, to cure the syphilis. They were 264 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 1: just studied, right and given placebo medications. Uh. These were 265 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: African American men in a tremendously racist time in the 266 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:42,679 Speaker 1: US past. I know a few of our listeners will say, well, 267 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: it's tremendously racist today, but that it was very, very 268 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: openly institutionalized racism to the point where it made it 269 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: okay from a governmental standpoint to experiment on these black men. 270 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 1: And Uh. While the us IS official position is that 271 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: the U S admits this incident occurred over a very 272 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: long period of time, but they say that these guys 273 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 1: started out with syphilis and simply were not treated. However, 274 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: other people, anecdotal reports of people who were involved at 275 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 1: the times, say that they were given syphilis. Right. But 276 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 1: we did we did a correction when we first did 277 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 1: that episode, and we came back and we said, um 278 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: that according to the official government standpoint, which I think 279 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: is how we phrased it. Uh, these people were not 280 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: given syphilis. They had it already and they were not treated, 281 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: which is just as insidious and unethical in my opinion. Wow. 282 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and then there's domestic chemical exposures. Speaking of that, 283 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: that's proven as well. So government agencies would just go 284 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: to the rooftops of some poor neighborhoods and they did 285 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: this more than once. And uh, and chemicals, you know, 286 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 1: to see what happened to stimulate a widespread chemical exposure. Yeah, 287 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: and just you know, go to the local hospital and 288 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: find out, well, who came in with what, how many? 289 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: How did it manifest? Man? Oh yeah, excuse me, listeners, 290 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: I'm meant to say simulate, not stimulate. I believe I 291 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 1: misspoke there. Um. And of course we know that warrantless 292 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:30,959 Speaker 1: snooping hand or surveillance is I would say de facto illegal, 293 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: but other people would say it's the facto illegal, being 294 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:38,400 Speaker 1: that some of the interpretations of the law remains secret 295 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: because of national security. Oh man, please don't be drunk 296 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 1: right now. Yeah. Uh. And then of course, how could 297 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: we go without mentioning uh, side ops such as impersonating 298 00:19:54,800 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: someone's identity, anonymous harassment, smear campaigns, and all that other stuff. Uh, 299 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 1: this would be stuff like you mentioned earlier, Matt. What 300 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 1: would they do with Martin Luther King's mail? Oh, well, 301 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 1: all kinds of one things with his mail? Um, they 302 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 1: would intercept the mail, check it out, see what's in there. 303 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: If there's anything juicy, make copies of things, then put 304 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 1: it back in the mail. They would send him threats 305 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 1: and things like that in the mail. Um, they'd impersonate people. 306 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 1: That's what it is. They would impersonate, like let's say 307 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 1: a letter from one of his close contacts that was 308 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 1: just seething and mad at him or um. I think 309 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: there was one instance where they tried to initiate some 310 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: kind of affair. Oh yeah, I had heard. I have 311 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:46,719 Speaker 1: heard that story, but I haven't looked it up myself. 312 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: I don't mean to give out false information. I hope 313 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: that I'm not, but it's in my in the back 314 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 1: of my head somewhere. Well, we do know they am okay, 315 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 1: did have affairs, so it's not out of the realm 316 00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: of possibility unfortunately. Uh what Speaking of the mail, it's 317 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 1: time for a break and we'll be back afterwards. Much 318 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: sponsored And we're back so so far for a quick recap. 319 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: We have looked at We've looked at illegal things the 320 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 1: government agencies have done in the past. We have looked 321 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 1: at things that they're monitoring activities. We've looked at infiltration activities, 322 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 1: and now it's time to get to the real Here's 323 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: where it gets crazy part. Did a government agency ever 324 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 1: run occult? So here are some of the alleged examples. Ben. 325 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: The first one is Jones Town. Now, some people believe 326 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: that Jim Jones will we know that Jim Jones was 327 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 1: running a cult, the People's Temple, the People's Temple that 328 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: moved from several places. I can't remember the initial starting place, 329 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 1: but I know it moved to California, then to Guiana. 330 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: And the theory is that he was running a psychological 331 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: experiment of mind control on these people, on behalf of 332 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: the CIA, or at least possibly related somehow to the CIA. 333 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,199 Speaker 1: I see. And that's that's an interesting idea, which we 334 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: do explore in that video you mentioned earlier, because the 335 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 1: People's Temple at the time was a bit unusual in 336 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: that it actively encouraged acceptance of all creeds, and it 337 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:33,679 Speaker 1: was a little bit left leaning, which would be otherwise 338 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 1: the kind of thing that the US government would have 339 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: closely monitored at that time for possible descent or a 340 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: threat to national security. Well, it's strange to me that 341 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 1: that it would still be. I guess the reason why 342 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: it was under CIA or why it's thought to be 343 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,959 Speaker 1: under CIA is because they moved outside of the country 344 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: to Guiana, which was a country in the U S 345 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: sphere of influence or but I guess not officially inside 346 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: the US so it wouldn't be FBI, right, Yeah. But 347 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,440 Speaker 1: also you know, in the evolution of occult, they may 348 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 1: have just moved to a more isolated place to further 349 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: cement the leader's grip on people. They had guards, armed guards, 350 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 1: increasingly militarized. Uh, there were people who wanted to escape. 351 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: There are some huge unanswered questions to this day which 352 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 1: you and I deal with in the videos about how 353 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: stuff went down, how the congressman was killed, how the 354 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: people were killed, who committed suicide, reports of additional people 355 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: or assets, even working to UH sanitize the operation and 356 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: then later painting it as a suicide when it may 357 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: have been instead as as the theorist would advance a 358 00:23:55,840 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 1: massacre UH of a psychop on wrong psy op rather, 359 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 1: I think I think that's fascinating at this point, the 360 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: evidence that you and I could find in there, while tantalizing, 361 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:14,159 Speaker 1: was far from certain sure, And but there wasn't a 362 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:18,880 Speaker 1: CIA agent who was working with Leo or was it 363 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 1: is his name, Leo Ryan, the congressman. Congressman Leo Ryan. 364 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: And then there is Dwire And you can hear on 365 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: the recording right that Jim Jones are out of here. 366 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: Get Dwire out of here. Yeah, that is true. Um, 367 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,199 Speaker 1: but at this point that while that is one of 368 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: the most popular theories for an intelligence a du T 369 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,439 Speaker 1: running a cult, it is ultimately at this point it 370 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: doesn't have solid proof yet. Sure, it just has troubling 371 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: unanswered questions. Um. Can I tell you about one of 372 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: my favorites. Oh, I love this one, all right. Uh. 373 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 1: This is the idea that scientology and we're not calling 374 00:24:56,280 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 1: scientology occult, so lawyers, please don't get mad. This is 375 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,640 Speaker 1: a theory that Matt and I did not make up, 376 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:09,360 Speaker 1: that the Church of Scientology is somehow run by an 377 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: intelligence agency. And this is this is actually a theory 378 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 1: that is kind of more well known in the x 379 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: scientologist community than it is in the mainstream. Um never 380 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,640 Speaker 1: been a scientologist part of the world. Uh. And the 381 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 1: the idea here is that the current head of Scientology, 382 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: David Miskevig, is working for the FBI or the CIA, 383 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: that he is an asset. And you'll see ex scientologists 384 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: who say that they left the organization because miss Kevig 385 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: somehow changed it, And um, you and I of course 386 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: are not scientologist, nor have we ever been. We have 387 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: read about Scientology, but we've also always read about it 388 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: from the outside endure, Uh little background. You hooked us 389 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: up with an excellent book that uh you lent to 390 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,959 Speaker 1: me earlier, right, yes, going clear, and I already forgot 391 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: the author. But it's fantastic. It looks at it from 392 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: an investigative reporter angle. Um, on all these different angles, 393 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,919 Speaker 1: and the uh, the author allowed Scientology to go in 394 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: and make footnotes and comment on the entire book. Right. Yeah, 395 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,880 Speaker 1: The book itself is on the up and up. It's 396 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: a great piece of journalism. It does not address this theory. 397 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: It's more about the evolution of society. But it does 398 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: show the change of the Church in Scientology when David 399 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: ms Kevie took over, right yeah. It just makes no 400 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: claims about this being anything other than a change in leadership. Right. 401 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: So it's it's a popular theory in a in a 402 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: small segment of the global population, but it's it's a 403 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,679 Speaker 1: fascinating one, especially when we consider that the Church of 404 00:26:55,720 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: scientology and the United States government had historically uh versarial relationships. Yes, 405 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 1: again detailed in that book quite beautifully. You can also 406 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: check out our video operations snow White. We've got got 407 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: one other. Of course, we've got to save this guy, 408 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 1: good old Charlie Manson. Yep, maybe nothing good about him, 409 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 1: but he is certainly old. The idea is that Manson 410 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: was groomed by aspects are assets of the CIA to 411 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: perform mind control experiments in the field. Yes, that would 412 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: be a good place to do some and of course 413 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 1: in this point, at this point, apparently uh, Matt and 414 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: I believe that these the CIA scientists are evil Germans. Yeah, 415 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:45,880 Speaker 1: I didn't want to do a uncent Oh no, no, no, 416 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 1: that would probably that would probably get us in some 417 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 1: hot water. But we'll see what We'll see what comes 418 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: out of our cartoonish Indiana Jones German accents the the 419 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: The idea here, though, is fascinating because this is one 420 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 1: of those strings that when you pull it unravels more 421 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,640 Speaker 1: and more and more stuff. So we know that Charles 422 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 1: Manson had some uh encounters with dianetics, which was a 423 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,880 Speaker 1: precursor to scientology, during some of his time in prison, 424 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: and during some of his time in the hippie counterculture, 425 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: when he also encountered a group called Uh was it 426 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: is it four? Pie? Or Pie? Is the alleged Ah, 427 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: yeah it's Pie not P two. That's there, Okay, yes, yes, 428 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: that's the one that David Berkowitz talked about the Son 429 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: of Sam killer and then got his throat cut in 430 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: prison and used to speak again. Right, and there's uh, 431 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: there's some I you know, I hate to say it. 432 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: I hate to say it, but there is some really 433 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 1: compelling evidence that the Son of Sam did not act alone. Matt, 434 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 1: that detective who never gave up. I think he's right. Yeah, 435 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: And uh, this this argument here, uh, this goes into 436 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: the idea that there was we first found out about 437 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: it with Son of Sam and Charles Manson, but it 438 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 1: ultimately expands into this idea that there is some sort 439 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: of serial killer cult or some sort of um tacit 440 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: agreement to turn a blind eye to certain unethical experiments 441 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: or criminal homicidal behavior. Now, of course, in most cases, 442 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 1: logically it doesn't make sense to think that so many 443 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: people could keep that kind of secret, you know what 444 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: I mean. That's that's a big one ordinary claim yeah, 445 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: but fascinating. Right, But Ben, is this conspiracy theory or 446 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: is it conspiracy fact? Ah? Yes, Okay, Well here's the thing. 447 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 1: It's unlikely that an intelligence group, at least the ones 448 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 1: we're talking about again in the United States, would manifest 449 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: acture an entire cult. Yeah. I'm trying to come up 450 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 1: with any idea of why you would manufacture an entire cult. 451 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: To what end would you do this? I'm I'm honestly 452 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: not sure unless you you know, unless you wanted a 453 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 1: whole colony of mansuring candidates you just keep in tiny, 454 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: darkened rooms. But you know which I could understand. But 455 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: it would be so much easier to uh influence an 456 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: infiltrated cult than it would be you know what I mean. Right, 457 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: It's it's a lot more plausible that that would happen. 458 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: Because you, again, if we take the standpoint of one 459 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 1: of these groups c I, R FBI infiltrating them and 460 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: keeping tabs on them, that makes perfect sense to me. 461 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: Um controlling one, Ah, rising up the ranks and then 462 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: controlling one, Now that is interesting. That's the angle that 463 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 1: you and I would take, uh, not that we have 464 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 1: considered that, but but we hope that you guys have 465 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: enjoyed this episode, and we hope that we have provided 466 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: enough fascinating things to to get you going in different directions. 467 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 1: And we want to hear back from you when you 468 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: come out of the rabbit hole, especially Matt. I'd like 469 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: to hear about this sort of idea in other cultures 470 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: and countries, like we know that China has an adversarial 471 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 1: relationship with the Fallongong culture, which I'm probably mispronouncing. We 472 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 1: know that UM, the church and the state in many 473 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: cases often clash and in some cases they start to 474 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 1: become synchronous. UM. We also know that UM some quasi 475 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: religious groups have been involved heavily in government, like P two, 476 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 1: which we earlier UM. I mentioned it in the wrong spot, 477 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: but P two in Italy deserves a mention right, which 478 00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 1: would be a Freemason associated group, associated lodge that has 479 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 1: a lot of things, had a lot of fingers and 480 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: a lot of Italian pies. I guess they were running. 481 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 1: You know, they had an undue influence, is what I'm saying. 482 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: I get you, man, So what do you think? Is 483 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 1: there any one of these topics that you've watched our videos? 484 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: Maybe you want us to go deeper into any of this. 485 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 1: Do you have any opinions about you know, whether or 486 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 1: not you think a cult is being infiltrated and then 487 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 1: perhaps is now run by the icy cold hands of 488 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: the c I nice, nice imagery. I'm trying to go 489 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 1: more Halloween here and I'm not sure if it's being 490 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 1: effective or not, but you keep going with it. But 491 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 1: right to us, guys, Yeah, yeah. You can find us 492 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 1: on Facebook. You can find us on Twitter. We have 493 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 1: a website called stuff they don't want you to know 494 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: where you can see let's see all of our videos, 495 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 1: all of our podcast Uh. You occasionally put a blog 496 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: up there. Uh, so check us out there. And if 497 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: you want to play magic with me, I'm on mt 498 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 1: g O and I go by conspiracy Stuff. Check it out. 499 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: Play a game with me. 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