1 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth Podcast. The Don't You Forget About Me addition, 3 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: as we take an in depth look at one of 4 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: the top prospects in this year's draft, Florida tight end 5 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts. I've done entire episodes about Piney Sewell and 6 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: Jamar Chase. Now it's the case for Team Pits. Coming up, 7 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: you'll hear from his high school coach, Steve Devlin, the 8 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: voice of the Florida Gators, Mick Hubert, NFL Network draft 9 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: expert Daniel Jeremiah, and Austin Gale from Pro Football Focus, 10 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: who explains why he has the Bengals taking pits in 11 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 1: his latest mock draft. The Bengals Booth Podcast is presented 12 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: by bud Light Seltzer. Refresh the game, and here's a 13 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: quick reminder that you can have the latest edition of 14 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: this podcast delivered right to your phone, tablet, or computer 15 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: by subscribing on iTunes, Stitcher, Google Play, Spotify, or pod Bean. 16 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: It's the greatest thing since the Bengals new uniforms. I 17 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 1: attended the unveiling of the new unis on Monday, and 18 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: here are a few of my observations. For years, my 19 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: favorite Bengals uniform has been the white Tiger color Rush, 20 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: so the fact that the new uniforms are largely inspired 21 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: by that sleek, sharp look is a home run for me. 22 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: My favorite combo is the orange jersey with the black pants, 23 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: but if I was going to buy a jersey, I 24 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: would start with the white and finally putting Paul Brown's 25 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 1: signature on the inside of the collar is genius. Having 26 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 1: said all of that, I've reached the age where uniforms 27 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 1: just don't matter all that much to me. It's not 28 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: like I wear one in the broadcast booth. But I 29 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: have a fourteen year old son who is obsessed with uniforms, 30 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: and that's the target audience that matters. When I texted 31 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: him a picture of the UNI shortly after the unveiling, 32 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: he responded with three words, they look fantastic. It looks 33 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: like we'll be spending some time and money in the 34 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: Bengals pro shop. Now time to shine the spotlight on 35 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts, the twenty year old tight end who was 36 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: born three days before Piney Sewell played at Florida but 37 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: is from Philadelphia. He helped lead archbishop Wood High School 38 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: to back to back state championships as a junior and 39 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: senior under head coach Steve Devlin. Steve, do you remember 40 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: your initial impressions of Kyle. I remember after seeing the 41 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: first practice, seeing how athletic you as, I knew yourself special. 42 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: And he's a hard worker, and he had a great 43 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: work ethic, and I knew that would pay off for him. 44 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: And I knew that his desire and his ability to 45 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: outwork everybody was going to pay off for him one day. 46 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: And you know, obviously, you know, I couldn't imagine, you know, 47 00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: I knew he'd play on Sundays. I knew he's that special, 48 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: but I didn't know that, you know, he was gonna 49 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: be top five, top ten draft pickets. That's the credit 50 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 1: to him and what he's done. Describe his personality and 51 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: how he interacted with teammates and coaches. He's a great person. 52 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 1: Kyle was the ultimate teammate, never put anybody below him. 53 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 1: He treated everybody as an equal. He was a great teammate, 54 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 1: supporting people, helping the young guys, hanging out with guys, 55 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,519 Speaker 1: you know, joking around, you know, in the office for practice. 56 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: Before lived just a tremendous teammate and you know, really 57 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: was the leader of our tea. We are talking to 58 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: Steve Devlin, who was Kyle Pitts High school of coach. 59 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: I know he played both ways in high school, as 60 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: you know most great players do at that age. It 61 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: sounds like he was every bit as good as a 62 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: defensive end as he was as an offensive weapon. Yeah. 63 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: You know, in high school he was such a great 64 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: athlete that he was a mispatch not only on the 65 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: offense the side, but on the defensive side because of 66 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: his athletic ability. And you know, funny stat his senior year. 67 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: You know, he won the state championships his junior year 68 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: and they beat uh SO would beat Michael Larsons his 69 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: junior year to win a state championship. And then senior 70 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: year we played Gateway from Pittsburgh and he not only 71 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: had a touchdown reception, but he had two interceptions in 72 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: the game. Not too bad. Do you have a favorite 73 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts story, coach, Yeah, there were so many different 74 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,239 Speaker 1: plays that stand out on both sides of the ball. 75 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 1: I mean, you know that senior year, that that last 76 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: game of his senior year, his last high school game 77 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: with his teamates and buddies. I mean he goes out 78 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: and you know sports a touchdown, had two interceptions. I 79 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: think he had a shack as well, a bunch of TfL. 80 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 1: He was just he was just awesome. And his junior 81 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: year I do know. You know, Michael Parsons was playing 82 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:59,359 Speaker 1: for Harrisburg High School and he ran outside zone. Kyle 83 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 1: was their way for him and picked him up, slammed 84 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 1: in the ground. I remember that vaguely, so, I mean it's, uh, 85 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 1: you know, he has so many great plays, but probably 86 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 1: I remember more about Kyle's just the first he was 87 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 1: jokes at the time you spent off the deal with him, 88 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: and the time you washed them with his teammates, and uh, 89 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: you know, he's a great character person. We're talking to 90 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 1: Steve Devlin, who was Kyle Pitts high school coach now 91 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: a college coach at or Sinus College. What was recruiting 92 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: like with Kyle Pitts. Yeah, it was, uh, you know, 93 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: everybody in the country was down looking at him, and 94 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: you know, we had some I've been through that a 95 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:40,280 Speaker 1: few times with some guys. Prior. Colin Thompson played down 96 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 1: to Florida, ended up going to Temple was an old 97 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: lead king to Temples playing with Carolina Fants down Ryan 98 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: Bates played for me, started Vince Days down with the 99 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills, playing out line. So I've had some some 100 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: guys that that everybody who's looking at But with Kyle 101 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: was such an athlete that you know, you had everybody 102 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 1: sec big tan, everybody looking for him. He was, you know, 103 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: in the Nickey seven on seven circuits he was. I 104 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: coached him in the under Arm or All American Game 105 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: where he was just a force down there. So I mean, um, 106 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: recruiting was was very busy, and uh, but I think 107 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: Kyle fell in love with Florida and that was always 108 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 1: his school. Did you feel like you were coaching a 109 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: potential NFL great? Um? I knew Kyle had had the ability, 110 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,359 Speaker 1: and I knew he had the work ethic and the 111 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: character to do everything he needs to do and put 112 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 1: himself in the position to be as successful as he 113 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: can be. And you know, obviously you got to stay 114 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: healthy and be lucky and a little bit of that stuff. 115 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: But talent wise, absolutely absolutely a kid his size, with 116 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: his length and his athleticism and you know when I 117 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: talk about people having strong hands and catching the ball 118 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: and snatching the ball out of the out of the air. 119 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: I mean Kyle was up special. I mean I even 120 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: heard Dan Mullen, who I was the is his college coach, 121 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: who also is the first sign of his college graduate 122 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: by the way, but he put on Twitter that he 123 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: never Kyle ever dropped the pass and to read them. 124 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: So that's that's pretty impressive. Final question for Steve devil 125 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: and who coached Kyle Pitts in high school. You are 126 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: obviously a little biased for this one, but if Kyle 127 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: Pitts is available when the Bengals are on the clock 128 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: with a fifth overall pick, what advice would you give them? Say, 129 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: Kyle chests. He's a difference maker. There's there's no doubt 130 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: about it. And you know he's gonna he's gonna he's 131 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: gonna continue to work his tailoff to be the best 132 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: that he can do. And then, uh, I see nothing 133 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: of the great things for him in his future. In 134 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: three years with the Florida Gators, Pitts finished with one 135 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: hundred catches for nearly fifteen hundred yards, and this past 136 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: season he earned the John Mackey Award as the best 137 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: tight end in the country. Is Kyle average nearly eighteen 138 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: yards a catch and hauled in twelve touchdowns and only 139 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:07,119 Speaker 1: eight games. Pitts finished tenth in the Heisman Trophy vote, 140 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: becoming the first tight end to finish in the top 141 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: ten in forty three years. This week, I spoke to 142 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: the long time radio voice of the Florida Gators, Nick Hubert. 143 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: Nicky had the opportunity to watch Kyle Pitts for three seasons. 144 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: Describe what you saw, Well, it was great to see 145 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: because when he came on, you know, he was a 146 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: big kid, but it wasn't all that polished per se, 147 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: and so we didn't really know. But it didn't take 148 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: long to see that he was a real deal. Now. 149 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: You know, he had had a good first year and 150 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 1: a really good second year, and obviously a great third year. 151 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 1: His second year was really impressive and that's what set 152 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: him up for the last year that he played only 153 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: six six He played here at about two forty and so, 154 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: you know, he was a guy that was just you 155 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: couldn't really cover him at the college level because it 156 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: was a mismatch problem. No matter where he sat up, 157 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: whether he had his hand in the ground, he was 158 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 1: very effective at doing that. But he could, he could 159 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: play on the slot, he could flex out, so he 160 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: can go against a variety of defensive backs. And he 161 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: had leverage with his size and good hands and good speed, 162 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: and he was a tough kid. So he was really 163 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: just a great surprise. And then you know last year 164 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: in the opening game of the season, he really was magnificent. 165 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: And in the SEC started September twenty sixth last year, 166 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: and that was that was a little late, but earlier 167 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: than some of the other leagues. So we're playing at 168 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 1: Old Miss in the first game, and you know, he 169 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: has eight catches, one hundred and seventy yards and four 170 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: touchdowns in the first game. So you know, that's kind 171 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: of the standard he set for that that year. And 172 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: he really really played consistently well each and every weekend. 173 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: We are talking to Mick Hubert, the radio voice of 174 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: the Florida Gators. What have his coaches told you about 175 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: Kyle as a teammate, a leader, etc. Well, that that's 176 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: another area where it's really excelled, is that you know, 177 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 1: when you put up numbers like that on the field, 178 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: it's it's it's easy to get your people's attention. But 179 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: then again, you know you can't fool other You can't 180 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: fool people, especially players. So when they see a guy 181 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 1: working in practice as he did and then going out 182 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: and performing in games because he did, uh, they have 183 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: great respect for that. And he wasn't a guy that 184 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: was overly loud and voiceterous. He was very intelligent, coome 185 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: of measured guys, so you know, it wasn't like he 186 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: was running his mouth wild all the time. Uh. So 187 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: when he spoke, he had the he had, he had 188 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: the years of his teammates, and then they really respected 189 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: him off the field. And because he was a good 190 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: he was it was a good a good teammate, and 191 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 1: he was also just a good person for the program. 192 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: So he'd be obviously a guy that will certainly be 193 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: missed and be very difficult to replace him. Uh. You know, 194 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: Dan mullin has used to tight end very well in 195 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: his offense, and we did have some success in in 196 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: some of the time when Pitts was out with a 197 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 1: couple of injuries, other guys stepped up, but by no 198 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: means where they're going to be Kyle Pitts like performances. 199 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: But uh, you know, he was fortunate to play for 200 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: Dan Mullen in an offense where they utilized the tight 201 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: end and it was able to showcase all of his abilities. 202 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: He is obviously a tremendous receiving threat. Kenny block. Well, 203 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: that's the key, that's really key. He could in college. 204 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 1: Now he'll have to obviously take that blocking skill to 205 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,079 Speaker 1: a new level when he gets in the NFL, and 206 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,559 Speaker 1: so that will be the thing that will be in 207 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: question at the outset. I certainly think when he had 208 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 1: he has the frame, he has the intelligence, So you know, 209 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: given time, I think he'll be a fine blocker in 210 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: the NFL. I don't know that he's going to come 211 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: in at twenty one years old and started blocking guys 212 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: have been in the league seven or eight years and 213 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,319 Speaker 1: and then say all of a sudden, you know he's 214 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:55,959 Speaker 1: ready to take them on. But he's not going to 215 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 1: take too long because he's gonna get he's gonna get 216 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: bigger and stronger, and he's got a good work ethic 217 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:03,439 Speaker 1: to do that. So yes, I think he will be 218 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 1: able to do that. Um but I think that that's 219 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: the one thing that you would identify right out of 220 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: the gates that you know he'll need to improve upon 221 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: that probably, which is not to say that he can't 222 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: do it. He did it very well at the collegiate level. 223 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 1: But he you know, he didn't play with his hand 224 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: in the ground all the time. That's what I'm saying. 225 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: He was. He was. He was a slot a lot 226 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: and and he was total mismatch for linebackers and trying 227 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,079 Speaker 1: to cover him there. And then when he got split out, 228 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: he was using a lot of times as a wide 229 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: receiver because he could he could win all the fifty 230 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: fifty balls. So he really displayed at this pile a 231 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: great a great ability to play in that position. H 232 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 1: you a matter of different different kinds of tight end positions. 233 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:49,319 Speaker 1: We are talking to the great radio voice of the 234 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: Florida Gators, Mick Hubert. The Bengals are also in the 235 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: market for a deep threat wide receiver, and one of 236 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: the fastest ones in this draft is another Gator, Couldarius Tony. 237 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: I don't know if he'll still be there in round two. 238 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: But what are his strengths and what are some of 239 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: the question marks with Gadarius? But he's a guy that 240 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 1: really did develop over the course of his four seasons. 241 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: He came in as just a speed guy who had 242 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 1: difficulty catching the football, I'm not unlike a lot of 243 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: guys would have great speed. Not that he was a 244 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: track sprinter that was trying to play football, No, that's 245 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: not it. But he had great speed, but he just 246 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:32,319 Speaker 1: didn't he didn't have maybe the maturity when he was younger. 247 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 1: But he really transformed himself. And I'm not I can't 248 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:39,079 Speaker 1: really pinpoint win, but the light went off for him 249 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: at some point to hey, I can do this for 250 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: a career and I have to put all the childish 251 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: things behind and I got to really apply myself. And 252 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:50,199 Speaker 1: when he started doing that, he became a totally different receiver. 253 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: Especially that last year. He was a guy that we 254 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 1: knew we could throw the ball deep and he was 255 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: gonna go get it. He was going to catch it. Now, 256 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: he's not sick six like Kyle Pitts about six feet tall, 257 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:03,719 Speaker 1: but he was able to use He had pretty good 258 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:06,559 Speaker 1: at upper body strength. It was amazing how he developed 259 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: his upper body and you could see that development from 260 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 1: you know, from his sophomore year to his senior he 261 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 1: was totally a different looking player. So you know, he 262 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,079 Speaker 1: averaged about twelve and a half yards every time he 263 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: touched the ball, whether it was on a jet sweep 264 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: or whether he was going deep. He was just a 265 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: guy we needed to get the ball in his hands. 266 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: And we had a pretty prolific offense last year with 267 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: kids at the tight end and Tony going deep, and 268 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: we had a couple other guys that are you're probably 269 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: going to play in the NFL as well. So Kyle 270 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: Trask had great arsenal of receivers that he could throw 271 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: it too, and we had a very prolific passing game 272 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: last year. But Tony was a guy that really really 273 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: raised a lot of eyebrows that he had made probably 274 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: the biggest jump of any of the receivers to where 275 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: he was. He was a bona fide deep threat that 276 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: could catch the ball and as opposed to just being 277 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: kount of a one dimensional guy when he first came 278 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: in basically a jet sweep and trying to get him 279 00:14:57,720 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: ball in space, he wasn't a guy that was probably 280 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: gon he catch too many balls twenty five yards down 281 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: the field. That totally changed by the time his senior 282 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: year came around. How is Tony as a return specialist, Well, 283 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: he's pretty good at doing that. Also, you know that 284 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: that was initially what you know that that was going 285 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: to get him on the field. Really his special teams 286 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: in doing that. So he can do that because he's 287 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: got pretty good hands to do that. He's got some 288 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: toughness about him, like I said, So he's maximized his frame. 289 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: He's not you know, he's not five nine or five ten, 290 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: but he's not six four or six five years. He's 291 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: you know, at about six feet tall and maybe one 292 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: hundred and ninety five maybe two hundred pounds. You know, 293 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: he's big enough, I think to be able to do that. Nick, 294 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: let me throw one more name at you, and this 295 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: is a big target. Another wide receiver that's expected to 296 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: get taken somewhere in the middle rounds Trey von Grimes, 297 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: who started out at Ohio State before transferring to Florida 298 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: six four to twenty ran a four or four nine 299 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: at his pro day. How does Tray von Grimes look 300 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: to you as an NFL prospect? Well, that's a part 301 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: of the group of guys that I that I mentioned 302 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: about the Gators being very prolific on offense. But obviously 303 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: uh kind of itch drew so much attention and then 304 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: with the emerging of Cadarius Tony going deep h wow. 305 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: Then you've got a third guy like Trey Grimes out there, 306 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: who's you mentioned six four and two twenty. So he's 307 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 1: another big target thing w up and wins fifty fifty 308 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: balls and and you can throw him one on the sideline. 309 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: He was going to get it. So he was in 310 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: a perfect position because he had two other guys that 311 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: were really good around him. Uh Grimes, we were glad 312 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: to get him back. He was a Florida kid from 313 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: Fort Larleel who went to Ohio State with Urban Meyer 314 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: initially and then and then came back and really played well, 315 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: played well for US, and he had several games over 316 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: one hundred yards receiving. But he was just in He's 317 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: in the right offense with the right group of personnel, 318 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: with a quarterback that had all the ability to get 319 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: him the football. So I think Trey Grimes, if if 320 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: he can apply himself at the NFL level, he'll have 321 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: a chance to play. I really believe that, because we've 322 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: had some guys that have gone out of here, maybe 323 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 1: with lesser numbers in college, that are playing in the NFL. 324 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 1: And so I think Ryan certainly has an opportunity because 325 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: he's got I think enough speed to do that, and again, 326 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 1: he's got pretty good hands, and he seems like he's 327 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,400 Speaker 1: a pretty kind of locked in guy, not a guy 328 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 1: that's you know, you got to get his attention. I 329 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 1: think that was also something was really good that he 330 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: came back to us. He had a little, you know, transfer, 331 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 1: so he came back with a little bit of maturity, 332 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: knowing that I've used the mulligan here and I, you know, 333 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: I'm going to play this game beyond the Saturdays. I 334 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 1: got to apply it and now's my time. And I've 335 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: had a good program with a good coach and a 336 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 1: good offense. So I think he used the best of 337 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: that to to to make him himself ready to play 338 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 1: in the NFL. Several Gators are going to get picked. 339 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 1: I guess that's always the case. So much talent down 340 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 1: there in Florida, and I really appreciate you sharing some 341 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 1: information about those three guys. Thanks so much, Mick, Damn 342 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: my playersure, Thank you. Goose Booth podcast is presented by 343 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: Bud Light Seltzer. It's light and refreshing with a hint 344 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: of fruit flavor. Now time for the draft gurus to 345 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: weigh in. Last month, I was among a group of 346 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: reporters who took part in a conference call with Daniel 347 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: Jeremiah from the NFL Network. I've edited the three questions 348 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: he received about Kyle Pitts together, and it's worth noting 349 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 1: that two of those questions came from Philadelphia before the 350 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: Eagles traded the sixth pick in the draft to Miami. 351 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,880 Speaker 1: So keep in mind as you're listening that the Dolphins 352 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 1: are now one spot behind Cincinnati and Philadelphia picks twelfth. 353 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:42,360 Speaker 1: Here's Daniel Jeremiah on Kyle Pitts. I think you can 354 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:44,439 Speaker 1: make a strong case he's the best player in the draft. 355 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I have him as the third best player 356 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 1: right now when I update it, and I've seen a 357 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: lot more, you know, going through all these defensive players, 358 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,959 Speaker 1: and I just watched all these corners, and I'm watching 359 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: these corners with first, second, third round draft grades in 360 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 1: the SEC and they can't cover the guy. So you 361 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:02,679 Speaker 1: split him out. And I think if he was just 362 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 1: in this draft as an ex receiver, he's a top 363 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: ten or fifteen pick. If you've never even watched him 364 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,360 Speaker 1: put his hand in the ground. Um, there's there's at 365 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: that size to be able to get in and out 366 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: like he does. Is pretty rare to turn guys inside out. 367 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,120 Speaker 1: If you watch Kelsey, and you'll see Kelsey run those 368 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: pivot routes where he's so efficient and doesn't waste any steps. 369 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: You see the same thing with Pits, and then he 370 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 1: has a bigger catch ratis to go up over the 371 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: top of people and make plays. So to me, it's 372 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: a matchup. It's a matchup that's going to be in 373 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: your favor every time you line up. The defense can't 374 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: be right against him no matter what you do. You know, 375 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: you put big guys out there, he's gonna run away 376 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: from him. Um, you put small guys out there, he's 377 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: just gonna pluck the ball off their heads. So that 378 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 1: to me is what makes them special. And I was 379 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: talking to somebody in the league the other day about this. 380 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 1: I thought it was really fascinating point when if you're 381 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: if you're the Eagles, for example, and you're looking at 382 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 1: one of the top receivers versus Kyle Pitts. If you 383 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: look at receivers and it ends, look at the franchise 384 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 1: number and look at the difference in money, I think 385 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 1: there's a difference of like six million bucks. So not 386 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 1: only do you have a rare mismatch player that's hard 387 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 1: to find. Once you get to the second contract, He's 388 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: gonna be extremely affordable compared to if you're gonna take 389 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: a receiver with that same pick, So you're getting the 390 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 1: same level of impact without having to pay that same 391 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: level of cost. To me, I think that could be 392 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 1: something that could be a tiebreaker when you're making that decision, Daniel, 393 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you a few players. If you were 394 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: the Eagles, You're on the clock at six, and you've 395 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: mentioned all the players, Pits, Wattle, Jamar Chase, and maybe 396 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: I think Smith would probably be for whatever reason, not 397 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 1: net mix, and any offensive or defensive lineman, who would 398 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: you take at that position? I would take Pitts. I 399 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 1: would I think it's a no I think it's a 400 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: no brainer. I think it's a We've talked about how 401 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: high the ceiling is with him. I mean, I think 402 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 1: he can emerge. Is the best tight end of the 403 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: National Football League. He's at that type of dynamic ability. 404 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: And I think when you have Jalen Hurts and you 405 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: want to see what he can do, and now you've 406 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 1: got Kyle Pitts and you've got god Hear, You've got 407 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 1: two guys that can really uncover, and you're gonna have 408 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: favorable matchups right in the middle of the field if 409 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: you want them. Those can be some easy completion. So 410 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: to me, that one would make the most sense for them, 411 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: and I think it would make their offense the most dangerous. 412 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 1: I have Jamar Chase and I have the same grade 413 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: with Pitts. But to me, if you wanted to find 414 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 1: a receiver, another receiver to you know, kind of come 415 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 1: along some of these other young guys you're hoping are 416 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 1: going to develop, I think you've got better options for 417 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 1: some of those receivers later rounds than you would at 418 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: the tight end position. This Kyle Pitts is a rare dude. 419 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 1: I don't know how much blocking he did at Florida, 420 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,919 Speaker 1: but how do you evaluate him as a blocker at 421 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: the tight end position? And depending how he does in 422 00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,199 Speaker 1: that department, can you foresee a scenario where maybe he 423 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: gets moved to receiver full time in the NFL? And 424 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 1: then finally, is there any concern about a player kind 425 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: of coming back to play for his hometown team like 426 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:10,880 Speaker 1: Pitts would be doing in this case, if you were 427 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: to come to Philadelphia, The Times you worry about guys 428 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,199 Speaker 1: coming back home or if they have any type of 429 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 1: character concerns or they've had trouble, And by all accounts 430 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 1: that everything I've got on Kyle Pitts is that it's out. 431 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,640 Speaker 1: He's outstanding from a makeup character standpoint, so that would 432 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: not be concerning at all to me. So I'll start 433 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 1: there as a blocker. When you watched him in twenty nineteen, 434 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 1: I thought he was willing, but I thought he was 435 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 1: really flimsy and just got thrown around, as you can 436 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: imagine as Paul Lean guy, he really struggled. I thought 437 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 1: he was much better this year to the point where 438 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,199 Speaker 1: I thought he was functional. He's not. He's not you know, 439 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 1: he's not a killer. He's not gonna put anybody in 440 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: the hospital as a blocker, but he's he's functional. He 441 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: can wall guys off, and you can use him there 442 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:56,919 Speaker 1: teams to me. You know, if you wanted to just 443 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,439 Speaker 1: primarily use him as an ex receiver, Nope, problem. He 444 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: could do that right now and be really good at it. 445 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,640 Speaker 1: Sometimes I think it's kind of funny, like if I'd 446 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,919 Speaker 1: have to look it up. But like get sicky with 447 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: the Dolphins, he still has te next to his name. 448 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 1: I don't know how many times he was attached last year, 449 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: but you might be able to count him on two hands. 450 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: He was always detached, and so to me, that's I 451 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: would be trying to use his kid that way. Just 452 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 1: flex him out and use him and then some games 453 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: you want to split him out some guys. You want 454 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 1: to use him in the slot if you want to. 455 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 1: You know, you can get him in line if you 456 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 1: get if you get them to go small, that's what's 457 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: so great about him as you get them to go small. Yeah, 458 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: he can. He can hold his own and shield guys 459 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 1: office as a run blocker, But I'd much rather be 460 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 1: throwing him the ball. I'll put it this way. Kyle 461 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: Pitts will be much more popular in the quarterback room 462 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 1: than he will be in the running back room, what 463 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,360 Speaker 1: it's worth. In his most recent mock draft, done two 464 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: weeks ago, Jeremiah has the Bengals selecting Kyle Pitts, with 465 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 1: Jamar Chase going sixth to Miami and Pinay Sewell going 466 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 1: ninth to Denver. Our final expert is Pro Football Focus 467 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 1: analyst Austin Gale, who previously joined me for our deep 468 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: dive look at Piney Sewell. In his latest mock draft, 469 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:17,400 Speaker 1: he also has the Bengals selecting Kyle Pitts Austin. Let's 470 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: start with PF's assessment of Kyle Pitts. Where does he 471 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 1: rank among tight ends in the PF era. Kyle Pitts 472 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: might be the best tight end prospect we've seen in 473 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: the PF college era that dates back to twenty fourteen. 474 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 1: PFF started braiding all college football players in twenty fourteen, 475 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 1: and he had not only the highest grade of any 476 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 1: tight end we've seen in this single season, but the 477 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 1: highest grade of any outfensive player. Like that's how good 478 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 1: he was in twenty twenty. I do think that the production, 479 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,880 Speaker 1: you know, matches what he is as a prospect from 480 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: the traits and measurables perspective. Really big wingspan, touch radius, 481 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 1: contestant catchability, a legit athlete at his size, a legitimate 482 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,360 Speaker 1: tight end, one type of size, and I think he 483 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: is in that conversation to immediately enter the NFL and 484 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: be top five of his position right now. In my opinion, 485 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,880 Speaker 1: there are only really three game changing, game defining tight 486 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,640 Speaker 1: ends in the NFL. George Kittle, Travis Kelsey, and Darren 487 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 1: wall I think Zach Kyle Pits can enter that conversation 488 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 1: right out of the game. That's how good he is. 489 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: I think his comparison in DFF draft gag is Darren Waller. 490 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 1: I think he's going to be used very similarly. It's 491 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 1: in a play on the outside and playing the slot 492 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: play in line. Tight end dominating one on one coverage 493 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 1: require the attention of safety's linebackers and corners and the 494 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:31,239 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator as well, and all that combined with the 495 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,439 Speaker 1: fact that is a scarce position of talent. There is 496 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 1: not a lot of talented tight ends in the NFL, 497 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: like I just said, only three really game defining tight ends. 498 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: There's a difference between positional value in the NFL and 499 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: positional scarcity. Overall, On average, the tight end position is 500 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,439 Speaker 1: not nearly as dialable as often to tackle, wide receiver, corner, 501 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: quarterback obviously in those things. However, the high end the 502 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,919 Speaker 1: peak of the tight end position is more valuable than 503 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: the average to above average of other positions because of 504 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: that positional scares because there's only him both good tight 505 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,880 Speaker 1: ends in the NFL. All right, So that you might 506 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,120 Speaker 1: have just answered my next question, But in your most 507 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: recent mock draft, you had the Bengals picking Pits even 508 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,719 Speaker 1: though Jamar Chase and Pinasil were still available on the board. 509 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: If they go offensive weapon instead of offensive lineman, why 510 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: Pitts over Chase. I think it comes back to that 511 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 1: positional scarcity. I think the ceiling you get with Kyle 512 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 1: Pitts is potentially better than the ceiling you get with 513 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: Pinacial or Jamar Chase. I think you have to do 514 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,199 Speaker 1: all three players as blue chip prospects, guys that if 515 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: they hit the high side of their projection, will be 516 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: legitimate game changers in the NFL. My favorite high side 517 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 1: is Kyle Pitts. You know Kyle Pitts is you know, 518 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 1: ceiling projection is the most impactful. In my opinion, I 519 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: think it was close between Kyle Pitts and Jamar Chase 520 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,399 Speaker 1: because you also have to factor in the chemistry. He 521 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 1: has Joe Burrow, what he did at nineteen years old 522 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: in the SEC. You know, catching passes further down field. 523 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: You know he'll have a higher average debuit target than 524 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,360 Speaker 1: Kyle Pittsville in the NFL. That is obviously more valuable 525 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 1: in the passing game. So I think it's I split. 526 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: Hears between cow Pits and to Marchase, I think I 527 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 1: side with cow Pits, knowing that no Kyle Pitts can 528 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: come in very quickly and be a top five player 529 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 1: in his position. I still think to Marchase, especially after 530 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,400 Speaker 1: opting out in tween twenty season, could he develop into 531 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 1: a top five top eight receiver in the NFL. Absolutely, 532 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: But I do think his median or slightly above average 533 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 1: projection is probably in that wide receiver eight to wide 534 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,439 Speaker 1: receiver twelve range, potentially until his third or fourth season. 535 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 1: But I think with Kyle Pitts, he immediately enters that 536 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 1: conversation to be one invest in his position. We are 537 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 1: talking to Austin Gale from Pro Football Focus. In the 538 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: first two years of the Zach Taylor era, the Bengals 539 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,719 Speaker 1: have gone with three wide receivers in one tight end 540 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: more than any other NFL team. Would Kyle Pitts be 541 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: as valuable to Cincinnati as he would be to another team. 542 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,119 Speaker 1: That's a good question. You know, they do run a 543 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 1: ton of eleven firstnel and I do think that he 544 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: is the massive upgrade over who they've ran at tight 545 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,719 Speaker 1: in the past. Zamba through sample, he is different. He 546 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: is two standard standard deviations different compared to those players 547 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: and what he adds there. And I do think that 548 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: what's interesting is that you know, since Day's offense likes 549 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: to tech the middle of the field, with Tyler Boyd 550 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 1: T Higgins even working in the middle of the field, 551 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,160 Speaker 1: cow Pits is going to own that area, which where 552 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,439 Speaker 1: Cincinnati needs to look next. And I know, obviously if 553 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 1: you take cow Pits at number five overall, you immediately 554 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: look at the offensive line, try and get upgrades on 555 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,640 Speaker 1: the interior or even depth behind Riley Grief and John Williams. 556 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 1: But we also need speed man, and I don't think 557 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: it would be smart to take the speed guy in 558 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: the second round. I think there's opportunities at speed for speed, 559 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 1: wide receivers, deep threats, vertical threats in round three and 560 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: round four, even Day three, looking at guys like two 561 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 1: two at Well of Louisville, Jailing Darden over North Texas, 562 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: a handful of other guys that a matter baby of Illinois, 563 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 1: guys that have like legitimate downfield threat downfield speed that 564 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: Joe Broken hit in stride down the football field. Because 565 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 1: I do think that this offense Barnon needs an injection 566 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: of what they thought John Ross could be like, there's 567 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: just not enough speed on this offense. Even adding Marchase, 568 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: who at his pro day ran in the four threes, 569 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: he has not a pure speed threat. He's great at 570 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: winning down the football field, great ball Scille's great contested catchability. 571 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: But he's not a burner. He's not a wolf fuller. 572 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: He's not a Henry Roggs. He's not a jail and waddle. 573 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 1: What you need in this offensive my opinion, is one 574 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: of those guys to really take the top off to 575 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 1: again open up the middle of the field. Forced defense 576 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: is to play deeper in their coverage and that type 577 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 1: of stuff. It's part of the calculation for you, in 578 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: advocating for Pits and some of your colleagues who are 579 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: pushing for Jamar Chase. The fact that it is a 580 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: deep offensive line draft and they ought to be able 581 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: to get a competent starter in round two. I think 582 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: that's part of it. I also think that, you know, 583 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: the best, a top three tackle in the NFL is 584 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: not as valuable as a top three tight end in 585 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: the NFL. You know good, You know you don't need 586 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: to be elite at any position along the offensive line. 587 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: You just need to be average too slightly above average. 588 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: You can't have any weak links. You talk to the 589 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: defensive coordinators around the league and they talk about you 590 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 1: can't have obvious weak links in your offensive line. It 591 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 1: doesn't matter if you have you know, Orlando Brown left tackle, 592 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 1: if your guards are Billy Price and you know the 593 00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: other guys that they started last year, I can't even 594 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: think of some of the games that they rotated it 595 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 1: into your offensive line. But like if you have weak 596 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: links on the interior offensive line, it doesn't matter if 597 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: you have a gold jacket at left tackle. You need 598 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: to be average to above average every position. I think 599 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 1: with the addition of Riley Reeve, who in no way 600 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 1: is an elite otsive tackle, wouldn't Eve whom say he's 601 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: top fifteen at his position, you still get closer to 602 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: average along the offensive line. There's more investments you can 603 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: make a tackle, There's more investments you can make on 604 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: the interior. But you can get legitimate, starter, starting quality 605 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: offensive line talent in this draft with their first pick 606 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: in the second round. I mean guys that have been 607 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: mocked to them consistently, even in my mock drafts of 608 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: late Alice Leatherwood of Alabama, Sam Cosmey of Texas, Dylan 609 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 1: Raidens of North Dakota State, Jackson Carman of Clemsons. Why 610 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: I like a lot is a versatile piece that could 611 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 1: play tackle or guard. You have Quinn Miners, who's going 612 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: to be a really good center in the NFL, Creed 613 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: Humphrey of Oklahoma, Kendrick Green Illinois. This offensive line class 614 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 1: is so much deeper than last year's. You know, people 615 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 1: bring up last year's off with the tackle class with 616 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: the Big Four, Tristan Worf's guy backed in, Jedrick Wills 617 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: and Andrew Thomas. There was a legitimate cliff off of that, 618 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: Like the drop off and talent at offensive tackle after 619 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: the Big Four was massive, and this year it's it's 620 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 1: not like that. You know, there are eight different offensive 621 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: tackles at inside PFF's top forty, and you look at 622 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 1: into your offensive line in that range of twenty five 623 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: to fifty, there's a handful of legit Day one starters 624 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: at garter center that you can pick up in those spots, 625 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: and I think that's the move that's the more valuable 626 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: play in my fading for Cincinnati value offensive line of 627 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 1: Day two, Day three, maybe even try and grab more 628 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: picks in the area. Trade down from two to gather 629 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 1: more picks and film more holes along that offensive line, 630 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 1: and then take a high end talent, a high end 631 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: weapon for Joe Burrow at number one. We're talking to 632 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: Austin Gale from Pro Football Focus, one of the hosts 633 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 1: of the two for one Draft podcast. I'm glad you 634 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: brought up the positional value argument because I do wonder 635 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 1: how you measure the impact of a great offensive linemen. 636 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: To me, that brings a tremendous amount of confidence to 637 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 1: the offense knowing that you have that guy upfront that 638 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 1: is going to destroy the opposition. Is that a difficult 639 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: thing to quantify? Yeah, absolutely, it's very difficult because I 640 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: think there's a mental side of it. There's I mean, 641 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: there's so many variables when we know when PFF brings 642 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,959 Speaker 1: up positional value, and this position is more value than 643 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: others you're really looking at on average, you're looking at 644 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 1: these different things. There's obviously unique cases with injuries affect that. 645 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 1: You know, leadership affects that confidence in the quarterback and 646 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 1: confidence in the opfensive coordinator affects that. There's nothing black 647 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: and white in football, even though you try and say 648 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: one position is more valuable than the other, there's nothing 649 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: black and white in football, I think when you have to, 650 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: but when you have these opportunities, specifically for the Bengals 651 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 1: at five, when you are if you look at consensus 652 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: rankings among all draft analysts and media and even probably 653 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 1: around the league, you have three blue chip players that 654 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: are going to be available to Since say Bengals at 655 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: number five, it's going to be Jamar Chase and Asol. 656 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 1: I throw up Seawan Slater in the mix as well, 657 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: and then maybe Cowpits to the Atlanta fun from dcast 658 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: on him at number four. All you're in a positions, 659 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 1: you grab a blue chip talent. I don't think the 660 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 1: conversation is which of those guys is the best? It's 661 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 1: which of those guys all viewed is very similarly great 662 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: players gives me the most valued right now? And I 663 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: think that's why the conversations just for me. I don't 664 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 1: think you need to pick apart the player in the 665 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 1: evaluation anymore than that you need to look at, okay, 666 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 1: right now, what takes this offense a step forward? What 667 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 1: helps Zach Taylor more, What helps Joe Burrow more? What 668 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: takes us forward more, and I think if outside looking in, 669 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 1: I believe that's one of these weapons. I believe it's 670 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 1: Jamar Chase or Kyle Pitts. However, that could be different 671 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 1: in the locker room. That could be different in the 672 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 1: front office. If they feel like the offensive line so 673 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: it's going to take this step forward, then they do 674 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: that as well. Is there anything about Joe burrows strengths 675 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: and weaknesses that makes you think that Pitts would be 676 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: an ideal fit. Joe burrows strengths and weaknesses is just 677 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 1: like the most one of the most accurate quarterbacks we've 678 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: ever seen. So like getting him players that can make 679 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 1: place after the catch and consistently get open is what's 680 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 1: going to help this offense the most. I mean, he's 681 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: not bad under pressure. He's not super mobile, so like 682 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: you don't have the benefit that Lamar Jackson, Kyler Murray 683 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: or even at josh Alan Hatchmhomes necessarily has his good 684 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 1: out of structure. He's creative, but not necessarily athletic or 685 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 1: mobile and won't be a guy that you lean on 686 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 1: from a running perspective. You need protection up the LSWO 687 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,959 Speaker 1: offensive line. In that season one I think the trophy 688 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: for best offensive line in the country. You want to 689 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 1: get better there, but you don't need to be elite there. 690 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 1: You know, you don't need to be elite in the trenches. 691 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,240 Speaker 1: You just need to be good. And I think Jonah 692 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 1: Williams your three in his development. I loved him coming 693 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,800 Speaker 1: out of Alabama. I think that is a good starter 694 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,360 Speaker 1: in the NFL. Riley Reef is a good starter in 695 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,840 Speaker 1: the NFL where there's where there's more glaring weaknesses, the 696 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,439 Speaker 1: into your offensive line, add pieces there on day two 697 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 1: and day three, get better there, even ad veterans, if 698 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,840 Speaker 1: there are guys still available in Frenzy, continue to chase 699 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,359 Speaker 1: the floor, chase a high floor along the offensive line, 700 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 1: and then chase the ceiling at more valuable positions like 701 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 1: tight end in this case with Cowpits available, or wide 702 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,759 Speaker 1: receiver with Jamar Chase or even DeVante Smiths, whoever they 703 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 1: feel like is best. Final question for Austen Gale from 704 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,880 Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus. I've listened carefully. I also talked to 705 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 1: your colleague Anthony Trash a few weeks ago. He's a 706 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,400 Speaker 1: big Jamar Chase guy. I have been for pinay sewel 707 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 1: all along I'm not sure that there's an argument that's 708 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,240 Speaker 1: going to change my mind. If the Bengals take pinay 709 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 1: Sewel for the fifth overall pick in the draft, are 710 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: they making a mistake. No, they're not making a mistake. 711 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:05,479 Speaker 1: That's the biggest thing with since a mannis you can't 712 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 1: make a mistake at five. With how many quarterbacks are 713 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,240 Speaker 1: going to come off the board in the first four picks. 714 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 1: Three absolutely, maybe even four. You see a Denver or 715 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,360 Speaker 1: a New England trade up to four with Atlanta to 716 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 1: grab a fourth quarterback, you can't make a mistake. I 717 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 1: think all of these players are blue ship players. If 718 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: you ask any analysts, any draft analysts, any scout in 719 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 1: the league, how they do these players? They say they're 720 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 1: top five, top ten players in the draft. That's it, Like, 721 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 1: you're not, it's not. You don't want to split hairs 722 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,479 Speaker 1: between your fifth best player and your sixth best players. 723 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 1: They're all really really good. What you need to do 724 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 1: again is pick the player that you feel like is 725 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,840 Speaker 1: gonna help roteam the most most efficiently. And I do 726 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 1: think the Pinasiul pick is the safer pick, not because 727 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 1: he's a more safe player. I like how Pitts is 728 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 1: a prospect. I like Tamar Chaser as a prospect. I 729 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 1: think pinas is a safer pick and that you're almost 730 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 1: his floor. Pinasol's floor is what you're chasing along the 731 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,279 Speaker 1: offensive line anyway. If Pinasiual doesn't become Jonathan Odden, that's fine. 732 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 1: As long as he's a capable starter, top fifteen, top 733 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 1: ten player in his position, you've invested in a very 734 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 1: valuable position that will play on your team for a 735 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 1: long time. Jamar Chase and Kyle Pitts, if they are 736 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 1: only top fifteen players at their position, you kind of 737 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 1: busted there. You don't you need ceilings. You're chasing ceilings 738 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,759 Speaker 1: with Pits and Chase. You're drafting Pits and Chase to 739 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,839 Speaker 1: be top five. You're drafting chasing Pits to be legitimately 740 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 1: in the conversation for best at their position in quite 741 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 1: some time. So I think you're chasing more of a 742 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,840 Speaker 1: ceiling with the wide receiver and tight ends there with 743 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,279 Speaker 1: Pinney Schuel. If his floor is top fifteen, again, that 744 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,359 Speaker 1: doesn't hurt your team. It doesn't hurt your team nearly 745 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,400 Speaker 1: as much as maybe if Jamar Chase doesn't end up 746 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,320 Speaker 1: hitting expectation or if Kyle Pitts doesn't hit expectation. Great 747 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 1: insight from my friend Austin Gail, not only an exceptional 748 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 1: analyst for Pro Football Focus, but now that Giovanni Bernard 749 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,399 Speaker 1: is a member of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, the man 750 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,400 Speaker 1: with the best mustache in Cincinnati. Man, that's awesome. I 751 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:52,960 Speaker 1: can't believe I got the honor that easy. My thanks 752 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,360 Speaker 1: to Steve, Mick, Daniel and Austin. And that's going to 753 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,960 Speaker 1: do it for this episode of the Bengals Booth Podcast, 754 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 1: brought to you by bud Light Selts, Sir, refresh the game. 755 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 1: If you haven't done so already, please subscribe, and if 756 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 1: you have a minute, give it a rating or share 757 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,359 Speaker 1: a comment that helps more Bengals fans find this podcast. 758 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 1: I'm Dan Horde, and thank you for listening to The 759 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 1: Bengals Booth Podcast.