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Speaker 1: Welcome to One Bills Light, your bonus dose of Bills

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Speaker 1: football discussion, where we provide a fresh and different perspective

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Speaker 1: from our daily show One to Live. Coming up, we

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Speaker 1: survey Buffalo's roster to determine the most likely positional breakdown

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Speaker 1: to get to a fifty three man squad. Steve is

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Speaker 1: tested on QUB and wide receiver roster totals in the

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Speaker 1: numbers game, and we weigh in on just how fine

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Speaker 1: a line it is between genuine emotion and taunting. Let's

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Speaker 1: go down at a Steve tester who has been all

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Speaker 1: over the fields. Kind of unique. He was kind of

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Speaker 1: a dual role player for you. Steve, Steve a blimp.

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Speaker 1: We're not even in the stratosphere of normalcy. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: joining us here on One Bills Light, your fun, size

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Speaker 1: and alternative discussion on the Bills in the NFL. Chris

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Speaker 1: Brown and Steve Caster with you as always and Steve

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Speaker 1: roster cut down to eighty is this coming Tuesday? A

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Speaker 1: week later, it's the cut to fifty three. I think

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Speaker 1: it's safe to say that this Bill's roster is a

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Speaker 1: difficult one to make because of its depth of talent,

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Speaker 1: but more so than the names which will probably discuss

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Speaker 1: in depth maybe in next week's episode. Is the positional

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Speaker 1: numbers breakdown? So first, which positions do you believe will

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Speaker 1: be the most difficult to whittle down to a number

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Speaker 1: that doesn't disrupt the entire composition of the fifty three

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Speaker 1: man roster? Like I said this, Like you said, this

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Speaker 1: is a really tough roster to make. So I think

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Speaker 1: it's more than just one. I think there's three position

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Speaker 1: groups that really here's the thing. I think if you

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Speaker 1: have a week position group, you want to keep more

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Speaker 1: guys because you need you need to find some a

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Speaker 1: combination that works better than what you're seeing on the

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Speaker 1: field or at least the individual parts that's been interesting.

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Speaker 1: Look which to me, they need to find a cornerback two.

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Speaker 1: They need to have three corners on the field all

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Speaker 1: the time. They've got one that they love, that's a problem. Secondly,

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Speaker 1: they got a bunch of guys that can really rush

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Speaker 1: the passer, bunch of guys that they that are really

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Speaker 1: intriguing in a maybe upgrades from where they where you're

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Speaker 1: go on the defensive line. That you got four of

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Speaker 1: those guys on the field all the time. Wide receiver,

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Speaker 1: you got four you go four deep right away, meaning

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Speaker 1: you put four on the field a decent amount of

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Speaker 1: the time right second most in the league last year,

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Speaker 1: and maybe more this year with Gabe Davis taking another

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Speaker 1: step forward. Perhaps there's four on the field at some point.

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Speaker 1: You gotta have four ready for game day, even if

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Speaker 1: they're not on the field a lot. And then offensive

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Speaker 1: line five guys all the time, playing at a high

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Speaker 1: up so that it's like four spots corner D line

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Speaker 1: O line wide receiver. We've talked a lot about the

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Speaker 1: D line O line wide receiver because it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: hard to make those cuts. But let's think about it

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Speaker 1: that way. Where do they really need somebody to step up? Corner?

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Speaker 1: You want to keep those guys around, You can say

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Speaker 1: you gotta wait on him because you don't have anybody else,

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Speaker 1: right and if no one had And what you're talking

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Speaker 1: about now, essentially, Steve is you're beyond Tredavious White, Levi

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Speaker 1: himself as the fourth corner, the first corner off the bench.

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Speaker 1: If a team goes four wide against you, who's the

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Speaker 1: fourth corner on the field, and definitively I think we

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Speaker 1: I mean, you can look at Cam Lewis, you can

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Speaker 1: defensive lineman, you've got you know, Rousseau, bash Him, Epinezza, Oliver,

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Speaker 1: when the season starts, that's the trigger you pull. You

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Speaker 1: don't know if you know that. Yeah, So under the

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Speaker 1: theoretical thing that you're laying out here, because it's completely

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Speaker 1: different from the way I was thinking. The way I

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Speaker 1: guy that maybe really help you and your offense in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. You know you did all the homework

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Speaker 1: be signed the guy in free agency. He's not quite

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two, you could easily see him being

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Speaker 1: room for him on the roster. Now. Do you keep

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Speaker 1: at the expense of maybe losing somebody else? And I'm

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Speaker 1: kind of saying, well, maybe you go fat, Maybe you

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Speaker 1: You're looking at a completely different which I find fascinating.

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Speaker 1: You're saying cornerbacks. You're probably gonna keep five, at the

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Speaker 1: see if one of those guys. You're not emerging now,

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Speaker 1: an example of how I'm thinking. Okay, you say, let's

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Speaker 1: take Isaiah Hodgens perfect example. Was here for a year

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Speaker 1: And he is the seventh or sixth or eighth. Why

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Speaker 1: Take care of itself. We'll find other guys. He's a

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Speaker 1: great kid, We love him, but we can't. We got

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Speaker 1: We need a crew. So if if you can't, if

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Speaker 1: getting tossed overboard. That's just the simple fact of the

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Speaker 1: this year. So if he's not, you know, I get

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Speaker 1: what you're saying. He may be good into that guy.

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Speaker 1: We may wish we had him in two years, but

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Speaker 1: two years we're light years away from where we are now. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's too much invested in the here and now to

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Speaker 1: for him, yeah, stash him on the practice squad. But

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you you better be getting better because this roster.

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Speaker 1: You're not going to take a step backwards this year.

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Speaker 1: If you want to get on the roster, you gotta

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Speaker 1: too long. I don't right now, he's not on this

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Speaker 1: went off. We gott to end that consision. We got

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Speaker 1: to end that discussion. Do you foresee a scenario, Steve

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Speaker 1: the Bills to carry fewer players at another position? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's well, you got to. I mean you got to.

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Speaker 1: Forget about you know, hey, we're gonna rush the pack.

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Speaker 1: He gives us depth there. You gotta win games, and

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Speaker 1: you gotta have on game day forty six guys, forty

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Speaker 1: seven guys clicking, and they got to cover all those spots.

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Speaker 1: You've got sixty no eighty eight spots that you've got

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Speaker 1: to cover on special teams every week. Eleven guys on punt,

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Speaker 1: eleven guys on punt return is four spots. Eleven guys

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Speaker 1: goal and eleven guys on field goal defense. That's sixty six.

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Speaker 1: That's why I always say that sixty six spots. You

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Speaker 1: only got forty five guys. Do the math. That's why

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Speaker 1: a high level. Think about it. A block field goal

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Speaker 1: block punt for a touchdown seven points that you didn't count.

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Speaker 1: That's that you lose. So well, Yeah, seventy eight percent

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Speaker 1: of the games in the league, Ye're determined by seven

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Speaker 1: points or less, so you lose. So that to me

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Speaker 1: is as big an issue as anything is. Position flexibility. Yea,

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Speaker 1: and those are the guys that really really have a

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Speaker 1: I think linebackers a position where they could go shorter,

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Speaker 1: like a wide receiver league like that? But you're right,

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Speaker 1: with a ball or a stick, yeah, golf ball, golf club,

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Speaker 1: hockey stick, baseball, I'm with him, hockey, you name it,

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Speaker 1: rise at the top. Fair enough, I'm telling you right now,

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Speaker 1: all right, good edition in the Numbers game. There we

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Speaker 1: close up this episode of One Bill's Light with Steve.

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Speaker 1: As we know, the officials will be flagging taunting as

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Speaker 1: a point of infants. This all through the preseason, presumably

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Speaker 1: the regular season as well. Recently, John Mara, owner of

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Speaker 1: the Giants and a member of the Competition Committee, was

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Speaker 1: asked about the enforcement against taunting and he said the

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Speaker 1: following quote. That's something we discuss every year in the

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Speaker 1: Competition Committee. We get kind of sick and tired of

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Speaker 1: the taunting that does go on from time to time

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Speaker 1: on the field. We tried to balance the sportsmanship with

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Speaker 1: allowing the players to have fun, and there's always a

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Speaker 1: fine line there, but none of us like to see that.

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Speaker 1: It's just a question of whether you can have rules

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Speaker 1: that can be enforced and without taking the fun out

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Speaker 1: of the game too. But nobody wants to see a

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Speaker 1: player taunting another player. I know I certainly don't. I

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Speaker 1: think the rest of the members of the Competition Committee

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Speaker 1: feel the same way too. The question for you, Steve,

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Speaker 1: is how fine is the line that Mara describes and

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Speaker 1: how difficult might it be for officials to capably identify

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Speaker 1: it and flag it outside of some of the obvious demonstrations.

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Speaker 1: It's all about respecting your opponent. If you do something

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Speaker 1: that's disrespectful to your opponent, it's taunting. If you celebrate

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Speaker 1: in any way, shape or form, it's not. And that's that.

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Speaker 1: Here's the slippery slope. Now you're asking the official who's

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Speaker 1: standing there trying to get the spot of the ball

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Speaker 1: and everything else that's going wrong that he's responsible for.

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Speaker 1: Now he has to discern intent, right, You have to

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Speaker 1: become an extremely subjective It's it's your mind reader. Nobody's

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Speaker 1: a mind reader, and it's it's subjective. That's a problem.

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Speaker 1: I would say that if you are going to celebrate

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Speaker 1: with your teammates, go for it. Just don't face any

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Speaker 1: of the opponents on the field at all. Because you're

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Speaker 1: in the end zone, you're fired up about a touchdown,

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Speaker 1: you spin the ball on the ground. There better be

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Speaker 1: no opponent in the general vicinity of that ball, right,

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Speaker 1: or you're gonna get flagged. Which here's another thing to

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Speaker 1: think about this. You stand up because because whatever the

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Speaker 1: rules are, they will push the envelope. So, for instance,

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Speaker 1: I tackle you with a devastating tackle, we both stand up.

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Speaker 1: I stand two inches from you with my back to you,

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Speaker 1: and and you know, pump your fist. It's the same

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Speaker 1: thing because you're this because you're an inch away from

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Speaker 1: the guy and he you're doing it to him, but

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Speaker 1: you're not facing him. So run twenty yards away and

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Speaker 1: then start celebrating. Basically, that's right, you gotta And so

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Speaker 1: anytime you it can be construed as disrespect towards the

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Speaker 1: guy that you're playing against. Is the line that you

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Speaker 1: have to draw. And I'm and I I sound like

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Speaker 1: an old guy and I am an old guy. I'm

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Speaker 1: for it. I'm for it. I think there there's too

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Speaker 1: many people that watch this were right that it affects

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Speaker 1: especially There has been some fan pushback on this point

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Speaker 1: of emphasis. Some apparently feel it's unrealistic. You'll never be

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Speaker 1: able to take the emotion out of the game. All

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Speaker 1: I can say is it never used to be an

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Speaker 1: issue years ago. Like even guys that were perceived as

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Speaker 1: celebration idiots like Mark Gastineau never did it in anybody's face.

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Speaker 1: He'd run around and jump around like a lunatic, but

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Speaker 1: he was not pointing in people's faces like I got

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Speaker 1: you on the ground, I got you on the ground.

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Speaker 1: He was an exuberant celebrator after getting a sack, but

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Speaker 1: it wasn't like this in your face. There's the thing.

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Speaker 1: The only issues that would pop up is if a

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Speaker 1: guy felt like he got his arm twisted or somebody

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Speaker 1: chop blocked him the wrong way, and then you'd have

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Speaker 1: an argument and an issue there. But that's not taunting.

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Speaker 1: That's like, hey, stop trying to end my career. It's

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Speaker 1: a little bit like hockey. The players policed it because

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Speaker 1: now if a guy taunts you and you come back

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Speaker 1: at him. You're the penalty. So you can't like let

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Speaker 1: the guy you can you have to let the guy

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Speaker 1: get away with it. Now you can't retali you can't

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Speaker 1: like you're gonna, you're gonna. You know, there were guys

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Speaker 1: that back in the day, they grab your face mask

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Speaker 1: and squeeze it and they'd bend the iron in it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so you know, they put a stop to that real quick. Um.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, now guys can celebrate and do all that

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Speaker 1: and they'll get away with it. Because if you retaliate

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Speaker 1: against somebody who disrespects you or taunts you, you're the

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Speaker 1: one that's getting Appenlly, now you're in trouble. And now

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Speaker 1: it's both and now that gets washed away and it's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, now you're the bad guy. So players have

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Speaker 1: become disciplined to that, and now that taunting comes back,

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Speaker 1: guys are doing it with impunity and it raises the

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Speaker 1: heat on the other side of the ball, and somebody

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Speaker 1: will retaliate in some way, shape or form inside the

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Speaker 1: rules and you can say, well, that's all right inside that. No,

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Speaker 1: you want to play football, right, you don't, because when

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Speaker 1: the guy puts that on film and he's out there

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Speaker 1: like lights out, like you know, right, all of that stuff,

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Speaker 1: Mark Gastineau, all those guys, it it comes back. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I think the bottom line here is there is

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Speaker 1: nothing that says you have to take the emotion out

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Speaker 1: of the game. There's nothing that says players can't celebrate

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Speaker 1: after a good play. Just don't humiliate your opponent while

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Speaker 1: doing it. It's that simple, and I know there's varying

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Speaker 1: degrees of it, but that should be the ultimate guideline.

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Speaker 1: That's all the time we have this week. You can

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Speaker 1: listen and watch One Bill's Light on the Bills YouTube channel.

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Speaker 1: You can also subscribe on any of your podcast platforms,

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Speaker 1: and always remember, when there isn't enough time for our

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Speaker 1: daily show, One Bills Live, there is always enough time

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Speaker 1: for One Bill's Life for Steve task Around, Chris Brown.

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Speaker 1: We'll catch you next week. Everybody,