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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Tutor Dixon Podcast, and today

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Speaker 1: we have a very special treat. We actually get to

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Speaker 1: hear from someone from the Greatest Generation, Irving Locker, who

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Speaker 1: is one hundred and one years young and a World

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Speaker 1: War Two veteran who landed on Utah Beach on D Day,

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Speaker 1: fought through the Battle of the Bulge, and helped deliberate

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Speaker 1: Nazi concentration camps. He's one of the few remaining voices,

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Speaker 1: and in my short time talking to him before we

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Speaker 1: started recording, I can just tell he wants you to

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Speaker 1: know this story. And I say that because I think

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Speaker 1: so many of my generation grew up with grandparent parents

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Speaker 1: who either were in the military or went to World

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Speaker 1: War Two, and we didn't have those stories. We couldn't

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Speaker 1: get those stories from them. They just kind of shut

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Speaker 1: from us. And so that was why I asked, Irving,

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Speaker 1: And he said, no, he wants everybody to hear it.

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Speaker 1: So welcome to the Irving Thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: Thank you for inviting me. And just just so you

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Speaker 2: know and your people know, the soldiers veterans don't want

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Speaker 2: to talk about it because it brings back too many

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Speaker 2: bad memories of a war and living the way we lived.

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Speaker 2: And that's the reason that I don't want to talk

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Speaker 2: about it. But that's why I try to lecture. I

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Speaker 2: learned to thank God in the war, and I think

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Speaker 2: that's what God wants me to do, is lecture. I

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Speaker 2: don't charge any money, and I all of my things there,

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Speaker 2: but I lectured to people so that they know what

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Speaker 2: we went through, so that they could be free.

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Speaker 1: That's it's such a critical time I think to talk

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Speaker 1: about this because, as you and I discussed, there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of chatter online right now. There are a lot

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Speaker 1: of people who are denying that this even happened, denying

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Speaker 1: the Holocaust, denying the things that you've told me that

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Speaker 1: are so horrific that we need to understand. We need

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Speaker 1: to know. These are things that I learned in school,

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Speaker 1: and I feel like we learned them in great detail.

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Speaker 1: We watched the video, we heard the president's voice, we

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Speaker 1: heard the announcements, we heard the voice of Adolf Hitler.

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Speaker 1: We heard these things. You know, I don't My children

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Speaker 1: haven't seen that. I will say my children, And I

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Speaker 1: don't know if it's that we have gotten too many

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Speaker 1: generations away that we don't play those videos that they're

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Speaker 1: not seeing that. I have a daughter in high school

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Speaker 1: footage from World War Two. So that's why I do

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Speaker 1: believe that this story has to be told. And you

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Speaker 1: are the one that you were on the beach.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely was on the beach. You have no idea what

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Speaker 2: it is to land out these things. We went in

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Speaker 2: on what they call the Higgins boat. People don't know

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Speaker 2: that as we transferred from the large boat to the

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Speaker 2: LSTs et cetera, where the guns were still there, we

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Speaker 2: transferred to the Higgins boat where the front door lays down,

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Speaker 2: big ten foot door lays down. And I'd like your

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Speaker 2: go on to YouTube, they're going to see this in

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Speaker 2: pictures all the way down the line. It's serving locker

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Speaker 2: my story on YouTube, and there's no charge as they

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Speaker 2: But basically, uh, these boats took us in and dropped

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Speaker 1: Field, Charry, tell us, take us back to that day

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Speaker 1: because you were you were obviously you've trained, you've prepared

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Speaker 1: there were everybody was prepared, but they knew the weather

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Speaker 1: The nerves, what was the emotion and that time, I

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Speaker 1: mean it had to have been you had to been

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Speaker 2: Unbelievable. First of all, we were on those big boats

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Speaker 2: We were half seasick. Those big boats rock and they're

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Speaker 1: So yeah, because the sea was so unsteady.

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Speaker 2: So unsteady. But that's when we hit that beach. All

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Speaker 2: of a sudden, everybody on the beach kept hollering, get

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Speaker 2: So that was a big thing that everybody kept hollering

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Speaker 1: But because the big boats had hospital almost like a field,

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Speaker 2: Well not what took us in, no, no, there was.

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Speaker 2: They were not. They were just trash boarding us. That's all, okay,

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Speaker 2: nothing big. But they took come back at least to

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Speaker 2: That's how well we went in, basically. That's that's the story.

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Speaker 2: You know, on the on the on the beach, you're

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Speaker 2: Get off the beach, all right. Anyway, So look you're.

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Speaker 1: Running, but you get off the boat. I mean, I'm

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're you're running through the water. You're you

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Speaker 2: Well? I think it's the adrenaline because you had no alternative,

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Speaker 2: I'm five feet tall and we're loaded down whatever, you're soaked.

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Speaker 2: I was soaked. A lot of people couldn't June.

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Speaker 1: Was it warm?

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Speaker 2: It was warm? It was, But basically that's what it was.

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Speaker 2: I was five feet tall and jumping in. But you

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Speaker 2: with everything else. It was very difficult, very difficult. But

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Speaker 2: what kept us going. And I was a staff sergeant

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Speaker 1: Were eighteen, right, yes, eighteen, and you are leading the men.

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Speaker 2: Well, you have to understand I'm the baby of seven children.

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Speaker 2: My mother, who was an angel at the time, well

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Speaker 2: And that's one of the reasons that I think I

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Speaker 1: So this is June. This is June sixth of forty four.

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Speaker 1: You graduated high school in forty three. You're drafted immediately.

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Speaker 1: How long how many months are you in training before

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Speaker 2: Well not that long, not that long because basically the

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Speaker 2: training you have to understand, we were trained on the gun.

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Speaker 2: When we went into four Dix, which was in New Jersey,

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Speaker 2: if they told you what to do, you did it.

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Speaker 2: And it was just one very difficult thing. And I

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Speaker 2: learned to thank God, and I mean that sincerely. In

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Speaker 2: the war, I learned to thank God. And I thank

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Speaker 2: grace of God go I people getting killed alongside of me,

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Speaker 2: I thank God every single day. And they come from

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Speaker 2: the heart, not the lips. With that, but anyway, all

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Speaker 2: fact that then they brought once we got settled and

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Speaker 1: Basic show the shell again so people can see, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: with armor piercing shell of that size. So that's that's

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Speaker 2: the extent. But one of the big things that we

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Speaker 2: the Germans had what they called eighty h their guns,

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Speaker 2: same type of gun we had. We copied that gun,

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Speaker 2: improved it and called it ninety millimeter. But they knew

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Speaker 2: needed because they needed them as well. So where they

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Speaker 2: knew all the fields, they would set up these big

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Speaker 2: people into the Holocaust, they needed labor. Basically, they needed labor.

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Speaker 2: You got to dig holes and put mines into the ground.

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Speaker 2: You realize you put a hundred minds digging a hole

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Speaker 2: was all about. Labor.

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Speaker 1: They so they were taking these people and forcing them

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Speaker 2: That's basically what it was at the time.

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Speaker 1: Take me back to DDA for a second. You get

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Speaker 2: Go First of all, we needed they needed us to

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Speaker 2: No? And basically people have to understand that your life

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Speaker 2: And to pull the gun, the top was a cabinet.

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Speaker 2: the next trench over. We couldn't do that. We're in

436
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 2: a field, so those fields had to be you know.

437
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 1: So that's the Battle of the Bulge. Was that a

438
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 1: surprise attack? What what was happening there?

439
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 2: No? No, no, no, no, no, not surprise attack. We

440
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 2: were set up for that. That was a basically we

441
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 2: didn't know. They don't forget you have officers in setting

442
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 2: all the rules, setting your locations and everything else. They

443
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 2: tell you where to go, what to do, et cetera

444
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 2: to that point. But with the Battle of the Bulge,

445
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 2: the biggest thing was the weather was so bad. It

446
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 2: was the worst one they do. Snowy, cold and snowy,

447
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 2: and can you imagine digging holds into the snow and

448
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 2: the ice to crawling in. And like I said, I said,

449
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 2: my supply sergeant, I would send them to our own

450
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 2: dead men to take the boots off, take the coach off,

451
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 2: take whatever they could off, because that's it. We had

452
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,679
Speaker 2: no no toilets, no sinks, no showers. You lived in

453
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,640
Speaker 2: the field, and I.

454
00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 1: Know, and how did they get supplies?

455
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 2: How often?

456
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: And did you get?

457
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 2: Everything had to be brought to us. They had the

458
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,439
Speaker 2: Red Orange, the Red Ball Express. The trucks would go

459
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 2: to the ports, go to the and supply, supply, supply

460
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,159
Speaker 2: the bar and bring everything to us. We had a

461
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 2: truck with us with with ovens so that they could

462
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 2: feed it. But when we didn't bring get that in,

463
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 2: I would go to the farms. And that's why I

464
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,959
Speaker 2: talk about my luger. I would go to the farms

465
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 2: to get whatever I could steal. I became the procurement officer. Wow,

466
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 2: whatever I could steal, whatever I could take away, And

467
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 2: that's how I found uh living in New Jersey. I

468
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,360
Speaker 2: didn't know what that house was, you know, as far

469
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 2: as I and I went into one of the barns.

470
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 2: And when I walked out of the barn, there was

471
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 2: a little door and a little house, and I said,

472
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 2: what is that? And I opened the door and there

473
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 2: was a board with a hole in it. Now, honest

474
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 2: to God, I didn't know what I was in trouble.

475
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,080
Speaker 2: But I said to the German, what do you and

476
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 2: he showed me what. I took it away from him,

477
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 2: basically brought it back on an eight foot piece of

478
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 2: wood and put that, bought the holes there, measured it out,

479
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 2: made a five holer so my men could sit down.

480
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 2: People have no idea my men could sit down and

481
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 2: as a toilet er to do that. And even to

482
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 2: the wood of a shower. I saw a German watering

483
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 2: his field with certain equipment. I took that away from her,

484
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,959
Speaker 2: or I borrowed it, whatever they want to call it.

485
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 2: And I took every shower head I could find from

486
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 2: his house or anybody else's. Now, first time my men

487
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 2: had a shower in three months. Can you imagine the

488
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 2: colonel came in, the captain came in, everybody in the

489
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 2: Ouphite came in to get a shower and complimented me.

490
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 2: Because that's what I did, and the Jewish language helped

491
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 2: me do all of these things to find out.

492
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: In the human spirit of that. I mean, here, you've

493
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 1: been out there for all of these months, and yet

494
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: you're still you still want to provide that because you

495
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 1: know that that moment of decency, that moment of feeling normal,

496
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: so important.

497
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 2: Well, and that's why I talked about my mother, who

498
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 2: was an angel, raised me that way, because she would say,

499
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 2: take care of your brothers and sisters, watch out for

500
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 2: the make sure of this. So I learned to live

501
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 2: with men. You have people that come in that were

502
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 2: alone or single in the house come in, and all

503
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,719
Speaker 2: of a sudden, they put into a barrack with fifty guys.

504
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 2: This one's smoking, this one drinking, this one's playing crap,

505
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 2: this one shooting this. And I was used to that

506
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 2: because living with people, it's a different world, different life

507
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 2: living together that way. But I was brought up to

508
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 2: the point of taking care of my men from the

509
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 2: advices from being brought up that way. And it worked out.

510
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 2: And we have a theory in my outfit because you know,

511
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 2: I can talk about sergeant some of the sergeant you

512
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 2: do what I tender or else, you know, But I

513
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 2: didn't do that. I said, if we work together as

514
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 2: a team, if we work together, we got a chance.

515
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 2: They're coming out alive. And that's the theory that I

516
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 2: held all the time with my men, to the point

517
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,479
Speaker 2: that even their children now that most of the men

518
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 2: are dead, but their children call me because I have

519
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:24,679
Speaker 2: different things. We took pictures. I have a flag that

520
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 2: I took off a wall in Berlin, a Nazi flag.

521
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 2: It's an authentic flag, and I had a lot of

522
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 2: my men sign it. Their children come to see that,

523
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 2: and and just for their wives and children to show

524
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 2: them with their father's name and stuff. To do those things.

525
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 2: And that's what I get the pleasure out of trying

526
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 2: to help and trying to work it out.

527
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: And you did, and you made and you went through.

528
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: So the Battle of the Bulge was I believe they

529
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: say that was the bloodiest battle of.

530
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 2: Battle, but the weather was so and that was the

531
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 2: bloodiest battle because they were prepared for us, they were

532
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 2: waiting for us. There's a different things, you know, when

533
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 2: you catching them by surprise is what they But this

534
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 2: Battle of the Bulge, it was the weather was so

535
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 2: bad and everything else. So that's that's that part. And

536
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 2: what did you.

537
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: Say when you said you were set up? What did

538
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: you mean by that.

539
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 2: Set up with the guns set up? You no, set

540
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 2: up to the point of the officers picking a field,

541
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 2: picking a section, telling us where to go.

542
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: So they were ready for this, but then.

543
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 2: But the officer didn't know what was there. They were

544
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 2: hoping that it was clear or that you'd fight your

545
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 2: way in to get there. But the fact remans that

546
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 2: it's all territory. It's territory. They need this section or

547
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 2: that section. It's territory. And we were picked for that

548
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 2: because maybe the bridges. We had to protect the men

549
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 2: coming across bridges, we got to protect men coming out

550
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 2: of the water. We had all the different things that

551
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 2: took place that they knew when we didn't.

552
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: But they why are you hearing on the ground at

553
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: this point you're fighting them back battle after battle and

554
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: make gaining ground. Do you know that? Are you? Are

555
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: they saying the war's almost over?

556
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 2: No? No, no, no, unfortunately no, because they were afraid

557
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 2: of telling that to the men too, because then they

558
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 2: would back off. They didn't want us to back off

559
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 2: one second to do that. So it's just it was

560
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 2: a matter of pushing and saving your life. Basically, we

561
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 2: all try to save our life as well as doing

562
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 2: our job. But every man had a job to do

563
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 2: and he was responsible, and that's right. I talked about before.

564
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 2: They wouldn't let us put cotton in the ears because

565
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 2: then you couldn't follow orders if you had an excuse

566
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 2: you didn't follow an order. Different story, the same way

567
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 2: with a story. When we got to near where the

568
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 2: where the Germans were, the barns, the farms, we had

569
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 2: as you cannot go near those farms or touch an

570
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 2: animal off those farms, because if he did, you could

571
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 2: go to jail. They had to threaten us with something.

572
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 2: I went to sleep that night and we had a

573
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 2: guard patrolling, you know the area. Every night we have

574
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 2: guards patrolling while we slept. He woke me up in

575
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 2: the morning, he said, side, he says, I killed a cow.

576
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 2: I said, oh my god, you could go to prison.

577
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 2: What's the matter with you? Are you? I said, what happened?

578
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 2: He said? It was dark outside with black He says,

579
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 2: I heard a noise, he says, stop or all shoot.

580
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 2: It didn't stop, so I shot. When I got to

581
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 2: wear a shot, there was a cow unfortunately the same way.

582
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 2: Believe me when I tell you I didn't turn him

583
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 2: in at all. We ate like kings for a like

584
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 2: kings for a month. I wouldn't turn the bird. But basically,

585
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 2: that's that's following orders. That's that's following orders. You can't

586
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 2: kill a cow, you can't touch your animals, you can't

587
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 2: do this, you can do.

588
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: I think that's important to know, though, because we when

589
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: we haven't gone there, when we haven't been in a

590
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: situation like that, I think we have too often assume

591
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: that there are no rules when you're out there, but

592
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: there are many rules.

593
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 2: It was was, Yeah, they have to have monitored, not

594
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 2: to control men. Don't forget you. Yeah, got a lot

595
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 2: of sick men out there that are aggravated and worried

596
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 2: and everything else. So living that way, So you've got

597
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 2: to control them. So you got to do what you

598
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 2: have to do.

599
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: How do you do that? What are the emotions? I mean,

600
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: doesn't anybody just.

601
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 2: As far as I'm concerned, I talked about it before

602
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 2: I told jokes. I tried to get with my men.

603
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 2: I try to be friendly with them. And it wasn't

604
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 2: a matter of I'm do it. I did it. It

605
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 2: was a matter of getting along with them, getting along

606
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 2: with them, treating them like people, not anything else, but

607
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 2: treating them like people. And I must tell you I

608
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 2: became the procurement officer, so I would get a liquor,

609
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 2: I'd get everything else that I steal and give it

610
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 2: to my men, just to make sure that we were there.

611
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 2: But we were together and doing what we can for

612
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 2: each other's that's the big thing, even to the point

613
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 2: that I must tell you this is a trench knife,

614
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 2: the same way with brass knuckles. Now when they're firing,

615
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 2: when they're straightening you and you jump into a hole.

616
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 2: If a Germany's in that hole, one of you are

617
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 2: not coming out, and they got to jump in to

618
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 2: protect their life, just like you're jumping in to protect yours.

619
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 2: So it's not just a matter of shooting and killing,

620
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 2: and it's it's living. It's living. And everything had to

621
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 2: be brought to us, food, water, medicine, ammunition, everything because

622
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 2: we were out in the big fields. We couldn't be

623
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 2: nearest city. We couldn't mean you're a building to do that.

624
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 2: So that's that's but that's life. All of these daggers,

625
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 2: all of these things were still with distrusts still on them.

626
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: And you're I mean at that point, if you're if

627
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: you have those, you're taking that for off of someone's body.

628
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: I mean you are hand to hand.

629
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 2: Talk absolutely are taking rough to somebody's body. But it

630
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 2: was a matter of a killer get killed. There's no

631
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 2: question about that. There's no question about you jump into

632
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 2: a hole, if a German's in that hole, one of

633
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 2: you're not coming out.

634
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: Do these replay in your mind?

635
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely, replacing the love. Yeah. I have to be

636
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 2: honest with you. Believe me. A lot of nights, I

637
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 2: don't sleep when I talk about the war. I'm okay,

638
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 2: because I lecture. When I talk about the Holocaust, I

639
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 2: don't sleep at night. Was that because a man's inhumanity

640
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 2: to manner what they did the people human beings? And

641
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 2: but for the grace of God go I being Jewish?

642
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 2: Who knows you know what I'm bringing out or my family?

643
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 2: So you never know, you never know who, what were

644
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 2: or how to do that.

645
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: You struggle with. I think that's profound you struggle with

646
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 1: the carnage of war, but you can't stomach what you

647
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: saw in those camps. You can't stomach. I think the

648
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 1: carnage of war is also a battle of soldiers, and

649
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 1: it's a different feeling when you meet a soldier, I imagine,

650
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: than when you see a pregnant woman who has been imprisoned.

651
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and knowing what they're going to do to the babies,

652
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 2: even to the point of people have no idea. You know,

653
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 2: when they came in, they kill the Jewish men. I

654
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 2: don't want to talk that much, but when they kill

655
00:35:56,040 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 2: the Jewish men, nobody would raise their hand. Nobody had done.

656
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 2: Would you believe they had the men stripped down and

657
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 2: take off their pants, take off their underwear. See who

658
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 2: it was circumcised? I mean, So that's the extent I'm

659
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 2: talking about where you're not human anymore. With that, you're

660
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 2: not human.

661
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: That's those were the videos that we watched when I

662
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: was in high school. We watched the videos that I mean.

663
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: And to think that they recorded that at the camps.

664
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: They recorded people walking through the camps and the abuses.

665
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 2: And.

666
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: You talk about the monsters that were in the camps,

667
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,919
Speaker 1: And I've read books as well from people who were

668
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: in the who survived the camps, who say exactly what

669
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: you said. These people became like gods in their own

670
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 1: They felt like they controlled the world in this one camp.

671
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: But they were hideous. They were hideous, nasty people. When

672
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:01,240
Speaker 1: you when you found so you went to the camps

673
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: after they were liberated, or tell me about.

674
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:08,439
Speaker 2: That, Well, we helped. There were men who liberated that camp,

675
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 2: and I was when I got to Gardlegan, which is

676
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 2: near the Eld River. I was a staff sergeant, so

677
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 2: I could do pretty much what I wanted with that

678
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 2: to go out into a different field. So I went

679
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 2: to that camp, and I've got pictures with my own

680
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 2: camera of that to that point. I've got pictures here

681
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 2: in this book with my own camera of different things

682
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 2: that I show people because they don't believe it.

683
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Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on

684
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Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon podcast. You're a young man and you

685
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: are Were you at that point chosen because you could

686
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 1: speak you could speak it because your family.

687
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 2: No, I was chosen because of the way I was

688
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 2: brought up with the men who I took care of

689
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 2: my men. I would Prome did uh basically I was

690
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 2: a pretty good soldier to that point in learning the

691
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 2: guns and being a staff sergeant. It would a bit

692
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,439
Speaker 2: of a matter of controlling the four guns. And even

693
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 2: if a man on one of the four guns was

694
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,439
Speaker 2: zeal or was wounded, I could pitch and r jump

695
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 2: in and do that job.

696
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: That they were able to communicate with people at the

697
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: camps differently than others.

698
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 2: Right which camp and this at the gardillating camp? I

699
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 2: mean why, huh? Well, yeah, because I was Jewish? Right

700
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:37,479
Speaker 2: again the language. But can you even imagine walking in

701
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 2: and seeing this type of stuff being Jewish and looking

702
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 2: at it and say, man's in humanity? The man? I mean,

703
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 2: where where is it?

704
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:48,439
Speaker 1: Where?

705
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 2: What are we doing? A war is a war, but

706
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 2: you're still human?

707
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: What when they knew they were? So when you were

708
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: getting there, I imagine that it took time to get

709
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 1: to all these camps because obviously the communication wasn't the

710
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: way it was it is today, so you had to

711
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: go from camp to camp to liberate them. When they

712
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: didn't do that.

713
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 2: I didn't do that, I'm sorry, no, no. I went

714
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 2: to guarda lag and only because we were near the

715
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 2: Elbe River. It was close to we'r eyes.

716
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: But I mean the army in general had.

717
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 2: To that's a different story. And again it's a job.

718
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 2: It's a job they do that they were called into

719
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 2: the headquarters and headquarters say okay, go well in see

720
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 2: what you can do. But I didn't have that.

721
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: What what what were the did you ever hear from

722
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 1: people that did though? I mean, what were their reactions?

723
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: Your reaction? No?

724
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 2: I never heard from other people. You know, the war

725
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 2: is something you're not associated right next door that she

726
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 2: can talk to two different people with it. You know,

727
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 2: we didn't know from one one outfit to another outfit

728
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 2: of what it was and what we could do was it?

729
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:58,720
Speaker 2: So that's that's the difference.

730
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: So what would you what do you want people to

731
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: take away from this?

732
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 2: What? What?

733
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: What lessons do you want young people to learn from you?

734
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 2: Freedom is not free. You got to appreciate it. You've

735
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 2: gotta learn. And I talked to the kids about seeing

736
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 2: honoring They see a veteran, thank them, say thanks to

737
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 2: a veteran. What does it what does it take? What

738
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 2: does it cost you to do that to show these

739
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 2: veterans that people appreciate what we did and we don't

740
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 2: get that we don't get that at all with it.

741
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,399
Speaker 2: So it's a difficult it's a difficult situation, but I'm

742
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 2: very happy as far as I'm concerned, because I lecture,

743
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 2: I'm with people, I talk about this stuff. So I'm

744
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 2: I'm doing what I'm doing, what I think God wants

745
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 2: me to do, because people have to know that freedom

746
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 2: is not free, and that's what I do.

747
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: I to talk to you a little bit about today

748
00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: that when you, I will say I a few years back,

749
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: I interviewed a Holocaust survivor and as I walked out

750
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: of the room the wife who both had been Holocaust survivors,

751
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: and the wife grabbed my arm and she said, they

752
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: hate the Jews and they'll do it again. And I

753
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: naively felt like that was we had grown past this.

754
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: And then October seventh happens, and it's a horrific, a

755
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 1: horrific attack. And yet again we have people saying, no,

756
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: it didn't happen. What's your reaction to that.

757
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 2: Huh? Well, just like as I said before, I show

758
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 2: them pictures and say it happened. I lived through it.

759
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 2: It happened. Thank god I wasn't in the camp. You know,

760
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 2: the point of being a victim. But I show these

761
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 2: pictures and I talk about the fact of man's inhumanity

762
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 2: to man. What do they gain other than killing the Jews?

763
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,879
Speaker 2: What do they gain? And even to the point now

764
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 2: that this day and age we've got problems up and

765
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,879
Speaker 2: down the line here with that. Who knows? Who knows

766
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:07,399
Speaker 2: what what the next step will bring?

767
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: Did you so? You but you spoke with some of

768
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: the people, the prisoners that were in the camp when

769
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: you when you went to and you know.

770
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,919
Speaker 2: You know today there's a Holocaust Day once a year,

771
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 2: and I go to the different churches where they bring

772
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 2: victims back in, people who were relatives or people who

773
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 2: were actually victims, they bring them in. So there is

774
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 2: a Holocaust Day that I've been to where I am.

775
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 2: So I go in and talk about that, to lecture

776
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 2: with them.

777
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: What were some of the things that they said to

778
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: you when you went to the when they knew that

779
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: they were free, but the horrific events, how did they

780
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 1: say they survived?

781
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,959
Speaker 2: I can't answer that question. Only God can know. Only

782
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 2: God can answer that. Who knows what whatever this situation was,

783
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 2: that it was ended or somebody pulled them out, or

784
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 2: they got out, or they escaped you know they were prisoners.

785
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 2: They escaped, they crawled on the thesis or that, and

786
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 2: they got out and they were lucky. They were lucky.

787
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 2: And a lot of them who were lucky would not

788
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 2: admit that they were prisoners either. Doesn't never know, You

789
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 2: never know who you're talking to. You never know who's

790
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 2: in what, who's doing what. But it was a terrible,

791
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 2: terrible situation with the Holocaust camps, the amount of people

792
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:37,320
Speaker 2: they killed, the amount of people that were wounded, the

793
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 2: amount of people who can't can't be straight in their

794
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 2: mind mentally today because of what happens. I mean, man's inhumanity,

795
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 2: the man I can't. I can't even understand it, and

796
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:52,240
Speaker 2: neither can most of the people.

797
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: Well, you came back, you came back from war and

798
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,240
Speaker 1: you got married. How old were you when you got married?

799
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm married seventy seven years. I was twenty five.

800
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:09,720
Speaker 1: Twenty five, so you were what back for about five years?

801
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 2: And believe me, we're two brothers married to two sisters.

802
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 2: I went to school with my wife's sister. After the war,

803
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 2: I introduced my older brother to her, who was older

804
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 2: than me, and they got married, or they got intent.

805
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 2: My mother, who was an angel. They didn't have a

806
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,800
Speaker 2: father at the time, so it was the two girls

807
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,439
Speaker 2: and their mothers. My mother would invite them to come

808
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 2: to our home and associate with her, and that's how

809
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 2: I met my wife. So we're two brothers married to

810
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 2: two sisters and I'm married seventy seven years and I

811
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 2: shall tell her every day how much I love her.

812
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 2: You gotta use it. You gotta If you don't use it,

813
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 2: you lose it. So you got to work at it.

814
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: So that's your secret to a long marriage.

815
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 2: Appreciation, appreciation and tell her. You gotta tell her your

816
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 2: love her. You gotta talk about it. You got to

817
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 2: show her. It's a show and tell businesses because most

818
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 2: people you know today, with what's going on, they don't

819
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 2: do that. They don't do that.

820
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,760
Speaker 1: I like that marriage is a show and tell business.

821
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 2: To show and tell. And what's the big deal to say, Hey,

822
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 2: I tell people other than my wife, did anybody tell

823
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 2: you they love you today? If they say no, I'll

824
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 2: be the first one to tell you okay. And if

825
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 2: they say yes, they did, say okay, I'll be the

826
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 2: first little Jewish boy to tell you I love you.

827
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 2: What's what's the big deal? But it's a laugh, it's

828
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 2: a smile, and that's how I get along with people.

829
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 2: I love to tell jokes and do different things. But

830
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 2: it's it's a matter of life, you know, in.

831
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:46,720
Speaker 1: This in this very time, in this very long life,

832
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: where you have experienced more life than most of us

833
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: will ever see, not only war, but love and relationship

834
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 1: and companionship and humor, all of those things. You are

835
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: also you can add to that now that you are

836
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: a songwriter. Yeah, okay, tell us about that?

837
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 2: Well I have. Can I introduce you to her? The

838
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 2: actual people who wrote the song go here with me today.

839
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 2: I'd like you to see them at all. But basically

840
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 2: they took whatever stories I tell you and they put

841
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:27,479
Speaker 2: it in to that. Yeah, well you heard, you heard

842
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 2: how much information he's got to share and he made

843
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 2: our jobs very easy. Getting to getting to write his

844
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 2: song was a blast. But it's a beautiful song and

845
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,240
Speaker 2: I love it, and it's just it's great. It's great,

846
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 2: and I'm adeta to them.

847
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: It is a beautiful song, and honestly, I think that

848
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,879
Speaker 1: that is it's such a creative way to bring light

849
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: to your story because that's how I heard about it.

850
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 1: You know, you hear about a one hundred and one

851
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: year old veteran who is able to share the stories

852
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: of his time in a new song. His time, it

853
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: wore a new song. It's called if Freedom was free? Right?

854
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 2: Right? If freedom was free or free? That's that's on

855
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 2: the song. Yeah, and I talk about it. Freedom is

856
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 2: not free, so just the opposite in life because you

857
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 2: have to work at it. It's not free. It doesn't

858
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 2: come easy. You have to work at it. And I

859
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 2: work at it. From my experience, it's amazing how many

860
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 2: people I talk to and using that same expression. If

861
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 2: you don't use it, you lose it. And being nice

862
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:40,720
Speaker 2: to people? What is your things? Doing things for people?

863
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 2: And that's how I was brought up from Little Lawn

864
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 2: as being part of his seventy seven children. We learned

865
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 2: to help each other, do for one another, and that

866
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 2: that was my life bringing up. And I appreciate it

867
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Speaker 2: and I do it. I do it because I enjoy it,

868
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 2: because it's so much. It's eesier to be nice to

869
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 2: people than it is not to.

870
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Speaker 1: Be So what is your message of faith and longevity

871
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 1: for young people?

872
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 2: I believe in God. It doesn't matter the religion as

873
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 2: far as I'm concerned. There's a God above us, and

874
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 2: you have something to talk to, somebody to hold on to,

875
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 2: somebody to spread the word. And I fully believe that

876
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 2: even when I meet new people and I meet people,

877
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 2: it's talking about this fact that that how lucky we

878
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 2: are to be alive and well at one hundred and

879
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 2: one years old, and I still work out at a gym,

880
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 2: and I still do everything that I can, and I

881
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 2: still dance with my wife of seventy seven years. So

882
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 2: you've got to be grateful, and you got to promote it.

883
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 2: You got to talk about it. I do anyway, And

884
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 2: if I get a lot of people to talk about

885
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 2: the fact of living life and enjoying life.

886
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: It sounds like the secret to staying young is optimism.

887
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 2: I would say. Yet, I would say I would use

888
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 2: that this optimism because you don't know, really truly, you

889
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 2: don't know what the next second will bring, you know

890
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 2: what the next minute will bring. And that's how we

891
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 2: need That's how we lived in the war. We didn't

892
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 2: know what the next minute would bring, or the next

893
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 2: bullet would bring, or the next illness would bring. And

894
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 2: I still even till today where I live now in Florida,

895
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:38,320
Speaker 2: there are people who go to the hospitals to visit veterans,

896
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 2: and I do that with them. I go there, I

897
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 2: visit with them. As a woman called me Ree bogged

898
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 2: it off the same way she does that. So I

899
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,439
Speaker 2: go over there just to spread the word, make them laugh,

900
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 2: give its rhythm, tell them how much we appreciate their

901
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 2: life and what they did for us. And I think

902
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,959
Speaker 2: most people have to do that because they forget about

903
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 2: what we did or what the what the men and women,

904
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 2: men and women and the armedforces, what they did for

905
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 2: them to keep us free and keep us alive.

906
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: That's why your story is so powerful, because so few people,

907
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: young people nowadays, are hearing the on the ground, harsh stories,

908
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: the harsh weather, the sleeping outside, having wet clothes, no shower,

909
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 1: people sick, having to deal with trying to treat people

910
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: with illness and treat people with injury, and keep going

911
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 1: and keep going. And that was all for us. That

912
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: was all for us so that we could live the

913
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: life that we have today.

914
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 2: You got it, You got it covered. You covered that,

915
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 2: you covered the whole thing right now. You did a

916
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 2: good job covering that situation. But we not. Is to

917
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 2: be true, you have to do it and you have

918
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 2: to work at it, and if you don't work at it,

919
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 2: you lose it because so many people just don't talk

920
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 2: about it, and most of the veteran and don't talk

921
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 2: about it because bring back too many bad memories.

922
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciate. I appreciate that you have been willing

923
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 1: to talk about it and the detail that you've gone

924
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 1: into and just the inspiration that you are. It has

925
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 1: been so lovely talking to you and hearing your story

926
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:22,839
Speaker 1: and your willingness to share and your enthusiasm through all

927
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: of this has been amazing. Irving Locker, you are an

928
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: amazing man. Thank you so much.

929
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 2: Thank you from the bottom of my heart, really truly,

930
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 2: because this has been a wonderful experience for me.

931
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: Well, I can't tell you how thankful I am. And

932
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: I know all of our listeners are thankful as well.

933
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: They're all listening and they know that you are the

934
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: real deal.

935
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 2: Well, I'm the real deal because it comes from the heart,

936
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 2: not the lips, because we talk about it, and I

937
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 2: talk about it in a good sense of humor, good

938
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 2: sense of way, and people have to know and understand

939
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 2: and thank a veteran for what they have done, so

940
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 2: that we could be free.

941
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Speaker 1: That's great.

942
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 2: Me included. I'm free today, and I thank a veteran

943
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 2: the same way because things are still going on after

944
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 2: the war. It doesn't have to be a war. Veterans

945
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 2: are still doing a good job, and you've got to

946
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 2: be grateful. So I thank God and I thank veterans,

947
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,359
Speaker 2: and I thank you, we thank you.

948
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: And it's a powerful message message, so powerful. I thank

949
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 1: you so much for being on and I thank everybody

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00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: out there for listening. As you all know. If you

951
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: want to hear this, you can go to the iHeartRadio app,

952
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, share it on Rumble, share it on YouTube.

953
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: People can watch it. If you do want to watch it.

954
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 1: You can see Irving held up a lot of his memorabilia,

955
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: so you can see it actually on Rumble or YouTube

956
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 1: at Tutor Dixon, So make sure you tune in there

957
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:55,240
Speaker 1: too because you'll see some pretty interesting memorabilia from many,

958
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 1: many years ago during World War two. Thank you so much,

959
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: and thank you for joining us. Everyone a blast.

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Speaker 2: Day, right, and thank you from the bottom of my heart.

961
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 2: Really enduring

962
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Speaker 1: MHM.