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Speaker 2: This this Morning Combat. It's a locked and loaded, fully

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Speaker 2: ready to go Morning Combat. Hello everyone, on this Monday,

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Speaker 2: the twelfth of December twenty twenty two, and what a

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Speaker 2: Monday show we have for you. Hello everyone, my name

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Speaker 2: is Luke Thomas. I am merely one half of your

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Speaker 2: hosting duo. I join you from the capital of Astatas,

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Speaker 2: Ninas right here in Washington, DC, joined by a man

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Speaker 2: who was absent Friday, who was very much missed. I

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Speaker 2: have to say. He was missed on a Friday and

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Speaker 2: had a weekend of his life apparently. I'm not sure

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Speaker 2: exactly all the details, but I'm looking forward to hearing more.

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Speaker 2: It's my friend in yours, the King of Connecticut. It's

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Speaker 3: Hi, Brian Campbell, Luke Thomas, good morning, Thank you. I

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Speaker 3: had a fantastic weekend. You know, sometimes, Luke, you do

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Speaker 3: have to press pause on the good life, which is,

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Speaker 3: you know, our award winning careers, everything we got going

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Speaker 3: on to you know, get together cousin Mike's wedding. There's

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Speaker 3: all these NASCAR drivers there. It was a big time

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Speaker 3: party down there in Charleston, South Carolina, and Luke I

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Speaker 3: didn't miss the fight game one damn second.

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Speaker 2: All right, I can well imagine how much dancing did

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Speaker 2: you do? That's really the most important question. And is

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Speaker 3: There is film of it? I should you know what

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Speaker 3: the show today. We will have a still shot later

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Speaker 3: from the from the event, but on have you seen

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Speaker 3: this ship? But you know, I've been known Luke in

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Speaker 3: you know, it was it was cool. It was really cool, Luke. Dude,

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Speaker 3: Charleston is one of America's gems. And I'm I'm very

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Speaker 2: There. Yeah, the service in the South and the friendliness

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean it's a complete opposite of the

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Speaker 3: You know we can pull it out, Damn dude, I mean,

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Speaker 3: I mean what it's like, it doesn't really matter what

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Speaker 3: well here's what I learned about this fight. The Unclav

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Speaker 3: I mean, look what you've been upset. If UFC said, okay,

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Speaker 2: That was the way I thought it was going to go.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know. Like back to the original question,

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Speaker 3: correct me if I'm wrong? But he's a solid, rock

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Speaker 2: I would not say rock solid, I would say pretty good.

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Speaker 3: Okay, if he hadn't done what he did a ten

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Speaker 3: eight round five? Was it a dominant round for enk Calive? Yes?

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Speaker 3: Was it a ten eight?

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Speaker 3: I mean dar until Drake is du plus C round one?

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Speaker 3: To me, that's a ten eight round this round five? No?

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Speaker 3: But did sal Domatto in some ways do us a

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Speaker 2: I don't know this, Yeah, I really don't. I honestly

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Speaker 2: And it's not great because you didn't have two bad

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Speaker 3: It deserves like it does deserve like and this is

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Speaker 3: just sort of like you know what I mean, you

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Speaker 3: I mean, it did luke it.

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Speaker 2: It just ended bad.

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Speaker 3: It was a tale of two cities, Luke, and you

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Speaker 2: But yeah, all right, let's talk about that fight between

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Speaker 2: the next logical guy in line. That's just how the

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Speaker 3: All right, here's the deal. Glover to Shara deserves the

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Speaker 3: back to Glover, who's willing just won the championship, just

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Speaker 3: you know, I'm not here to hate on Jamal hill

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Speaker 3: And it's such extreme fashion. Now, look that you know,

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Speaker 3: This was that. But this is weird to see Glover

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Speaker 3: as weird as I can remember something. It really is.

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Speaker 3: But that's the only part of it that's gonna feel

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Speaker 3: do we give him aunk alive? Next do we give him? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, But what happens if Jamal Hill wins? Luke, Like,

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Speaker 3: that we typically go through where someone has to pass

428
00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,879
Speaker 3: a certain amount of tests to get there. It's a

429
00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,280
Speaker 3: ship show at the moment, it really is. It is

430
00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,040
Speaker 3: and and and then And I don't say that on

431
00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,879
Speaker 3: you know, out of like anti UFC stuff, but it's

432
00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:13,520
Speaker 3: largely a shit show at the moment. I mean, you've

433
00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:16,359
Speaker 3: got people tweeting what has to happen before John Jones

434
00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,720
Speaker 3: decides to take that muscle off and come back. I

435
00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,879
Speaker 3: mean the post John Jones era, which you expect in

436
00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:23,880
Speaker 3: some ways for the title to switch hands a couple

437
00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:27,760
Speaker 3: of times, and oh it has, but it's it's been bizarre, Luke.

438
00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,040
Speaker 3: And this is this only this goes in new directions.

439
00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:33,399
Speaker 3: I never imagined that doesn't mean Glover versus Jamal won't

440
00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,800
Speaker 3: be a banger. That's what they were both about. It's

441
00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:38,480
Speaker 3: just you. You can't tell me you didn't hear that

442
00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,399
Speaker 3: announcement and go wait what really?

443
00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,919
Speaker 2: Wait what? Yeah, it's as I was actually doing the

444
00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,840
Speaker 2: live show and people were tweeting me being like Dana

445
00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:51,840
Speaker 2: just announced Glover versus Hill, and I was like, what,

446
00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,399
Speaker 2: I mean, how is that? Even I just couldn't even

447
00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,440
Speaker 2: wrap my head around how that was a thing already.

448
00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:57,320
Speaker 2: And you hear me.

449
00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,359
Speaker 3: Remember when John Jones had to fight os P for

450
00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:01,119
Speaker 3: the interim title.

451
00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want I was there for that one.

452
00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,440
Speaker 3: That was a little bit of like a really osp

453
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,480
Speaker 3: right now we're doing this, But okay, I get I

454
00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:09,720
Speaker 3: mean John Jones, So I get it.

455
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,280
Speaker 2: And then John had a very lackluster winning performance, which

456
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,359
Speaker 2: also made it weird. Right, But I mean, I just

457
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,240
Speaker 2: here's something else to think about BC. There's a lot

458
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,119
Speaker 2: of angles here. Again. I really think, folks, I have

459
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,160
Speaker 2: been high on on Calive and I still am high.

460
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,720
Speaker 2: I think he. I think he won this contest, especially

461
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,040
Speaker 2: was dominant down the stretch after being hurt he's obviously

462
00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,720
Speaker 2: very talented, but I really go back and sort of

463
00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:35,400
Speaker 2: question some of his like his strategic issue. He had

464
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,520
Speaker 2: some strategy issues in this fight, Like he did not

465
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,600
Speaker 2: need to this fight did not need to look the

466
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,960
Speaker 2: way that it did, and he made it that way.

467
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:43,439
Speaker 2: And I think that there is a question to be

468
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,159
Speaker 2: asked about some of his judgment. Basically, gun to.

469
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 3: Your head, is he the best light heavyweight in the

470
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,360
Speaker 3: UFC right now? Or is that? Or do you think

471
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:50,959
Speaker 3: that he is?

472
00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,280
Speaker 2: But I think he's got some adjustments to make to

473
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,360
Speaker 2: some of the ways in which he calculates risk. They

474
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,240
Speaker 2: were not really on point. And this brings up to

475
00:21:58,240 --> 00:21:59,600
Speaker 2: my other point BC, which is what I want to

476
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,880
Speaker 2: spit back to you. Listen, you never want to get

477
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:05,359
Speaker 2: into the part where you're you know, you're weighing the

478
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 2: impossible based on imperfect information. But I will say this

479
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,600
Speaker 2: the case for Vedem Nemkov as the world's best light heavyweight.

480
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,120
Speaker 2: You got a little bit stronger on Satday. It's done

481
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 2: a little bit stronger, did it?

482
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 3: Not? It one hundred percent? Did So Here's where I

483
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,000
Speaker 3: want to ask you a question that is somewhat related

484
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,919
Speaker 3: to that, only due to circumstance, meaning Vadim Nemkov just

485
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 3: had to go through a tournament in which he was

486
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,920
Speaker 3: the defending champion coming in. He got no favors, he

487
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 3: wont his one million dollars. But UFC not necessarily known

488
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,399
Speaker 3: for tournaments outside of the fact that the promotion was

489
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,400
Speaker 3: started with one night tournaments, and outside of the fact

490
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 3: that very rarely what are we talking about when the

491
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 3: flyweight division started, we had that cool little four man tournament.

492
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,120
Speaker 3: It's very rare that the UFC has dipped into that.

493
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 3: They haven't in a while, but they have at some points.

494
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,639
Speaker 3: I don't think we look at tournaments anymore as like

495
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,400
Speaker 3: a Bellator Biorn Redney thing, which at a certain point

496
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 3: we kind of did. Bellatore has been doing it on

497
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 3: the regular and the awesome. To be fair, wouldn't this

498
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 3: have been the time, with so much uncertainty for Dana

499
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 3: in company to very quickly go back into that green

500
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,879
Speaker 3: room that he talked about during the Postwright press conference.

501
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 3: You know, he framed it. As they all went back there,

502
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,119
Speaker 3: somebody threw out the idea of Jamal versus Glover in

503
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 3: Brazil and they were all like, yeah, that's it. That's

504
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,439
Speaker 3: the one. You know what may have really been the

505
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 3: one this time if they stayed extra five minutes in

506
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 3: that room, looked at the schedule, looked at the rankings

507
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,879
Speaker 3: ahead of them, and said, look, John Jones is not

508
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 3: coming through that door. He's going forward at heavyweight. Yeri

509
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,200
Speaker 3: Prahatska not coming through that door. He's out at least

510
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 3: a year career to some degree in question. But we've

511
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 3: got a group right now, a parody heavy group of

512
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 3: mixed hammers, mixed in terms of experience and accomplishments, but

513
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 3: all kind of about the same. Luke Thomas, why the

514
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 3: hell not an announcement Saturday night of a four to

515
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 3: six eight whatever amount of man tournament you want, taking

516
00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 3: these names Glover to Shera, Jan Blahov, Magamet and Caliev,

517
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 3: Alexander Rakich, Anthony Smith, Jamal Hill kree Love if you

518
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 3: need them, Paul Craig, whoever you want to do, Oz Demir,

519
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 3: whatever you want to do, and just saying in Brazil

520
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 3: Glover and Jamal are going to fight for the interim title,

521
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,360
Speaker 3: or don't do the interim title. Just go The tournament

522
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 3: starts in Brazil, step one, and you're gonna want to

523
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 3: see this because all these guys are hammers and they're

524
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 3: all excited and aggressive. Wouldn't that have been a cool circumstance,

525
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 3: a surprise turn in an unlikely to predict situation, which

526
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 3: is this division just kind of ex imploding in front

527
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,360
Speaker 3: of us. Why not go tournament?

528
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:34,640
Speaker 2: Luke?

529
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,919
Speaker 3: Is that because Beyond ruined it? I don't think so.

530
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 2: I think it is. He's not that he ruined it.

531
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 2: But as long as that idea is seen as something

532
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 2: that competitors and smaller promotions outside the UFC do to

533
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 2: set themselves apart, UFC is never gonna want to borrow

534
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,159
Speaker 2: their idea. If there was a way to like borrow

535
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 2: it and then make it seem like they came up

536
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 2: with it, then they would but a tournament even though

537
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 2: they are the ones, to your point who originated with

538
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,400
Speaker 2: it in MMA, but that was so long ago, an era,

539
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 2: different owners, different company, blah blah blah. They're just not

540
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 2: going to go with it. I do agree it would

541
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 2: bring clarity, it would bring some forced resolution to the

542
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 2: whole thing, But a tournament just seems there, or even

543
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 2: a four man I mean a four man one, they

544
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:16,679
Speaker 2: might do. That's what they should have done here, they

545
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 2: should have done some version of Onkalia versus whoever they

546
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 2: want to do it. They could have done a four

547
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 2: man tournament here. I don't want to say the names

548
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 2: in that particular order, but you get the idea, like

549
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,959
Speaker 2: there was a possibility here. Now they're just kind of

550
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 2: having to do the this is Listen. There are strengths

551
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 2: and there are weaknesses to the matchmaker model, And the

552
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 2: matchmaker model, where a matchmaker begins to pick the fights

553
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 2: is I think, in general, the best model, but it

554
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 2: has noteworthy weaknesses. And one of the weaknesses is if

555
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 2: you get judging that just happens to go a certain way,

556
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 2: you can actually get no clarity in your division, no

557
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 2: ability to rank, no ability at the top, anyway to

558
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 2: put a champion a belt on someone, and you end

559
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:58,160
Speaker 2: up with this stasis that serves nothing. The matchmaker model

560
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 2: can't actually really solve that problem nearly as well as

561
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 2: the tournament model can. But here we are all.

562
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,159
Speaker 3: Right, well, look, I don't want you to go too

563
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 3: far past that. You said, no, that's what the other conference,

564
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 3: you know, the other promotions do. But what about the

565
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 3: Dimitrius Johnson, Ian McCall, Joseph Benavidez. Who the hell was

566
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 3: the fourth guy?

567
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 2: I forgot to Yeah that was pre PFL, pre belator

568
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:17,400
Speaker 2: returning to turn.

569
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 3: So can't you say, hey, look, we've been doing this

570
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 3: shit since before you guys were even born, right, I mean,

571
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 3: to some degree you can? Is it? Luke? Is it

572
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 3: the fact that the other tournaments offer one million dollars

573
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 3: to the winner? Is that the large Is that the

574
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,400
Speaker 3: largest shoe that data has with us right now?

575
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 4: Dude?

576
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 2: Is that it? It's like, wait, we got to pay

577
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 2: more at.

578
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 5: The end of the ship.

579
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 3: Yeah no, hell no, hell now yeah?

580
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe maybe not. I just I just feel like

581
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 2: they as long as here's the difference, as long as

582
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 2: in the modern era we're living in now, the current

583
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,239
Speaker 2: times even as a better way to describe it, more

584
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 2: than modern era because that spans some years, as long

585
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 2: as the current times that that tournaments are associated with with,

586
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 2: with other motions, I just don't see them going down

587
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 2: that road, you know. I just want to.

588
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 3: Who was the first fourth guy in that flyweight tournament?

589
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 3: I can't remember you?

590
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 2: Uhhatani? I think was his name?

591
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 3: Damn good poll right?

592
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:13,719
Speaker 4: There?

593
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 3: Is that true? I feel like I forgot that ever happened.

594
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 2: I think it is. I have to double check, but

595
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 2: I believe It'shatani.

596
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, okay, I mean, look like again, no disrespect

597
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 3: to Jamal Hill, but what will be your reaction if

598
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 3: he knocks out Glover to win the championship?

599
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 2: Nothing good? He's dude, Jamal Hill can is a phenomenal striker,

600
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 2: Like nothing would surprise me. Good for him.

601
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, there you go, But damn now, Luke,

602
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 3: I don't want you to to rotate too far off

603
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 3: this topic without addressing your boy. Ramzak Kadirov's uh social

604
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 3: media ran against Dana.

605
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, given has done an interesting bit Dana has,

606
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,360
Speaker 2: I think because I believe wasn't Kadirov at like a

607
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 2: Moscow event? I can't be sure about that, but you

608
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 2: know the.

609
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 3: Point the war with U with Greg Hardy in Volkov.

610
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 2: Could have been, could have been, but Dana has been.

611
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 2: People are like, oh, the media never asked about Daniel. Well,

612
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 2: the media's got some problems, but they have asked Dana

613
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 2: about Kadirov before. I've seen them do it, and I

614
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 2: think a couple of times in fact, and every time

615
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 2: he's like, who are you talking about? Never heard of

616
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 2: this guy? Now, who's that? I'd never And he plays

617
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 2: that bit where his hearing is impaired, but he kind

618
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 2: of plays it up to be like I don't even

619
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 2: really understand what this is. I suspect he'll do the

620
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 2: same if someone asks him about it, because it's like,

621
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 2: do you really want to get sideways where a murderous tyrant?

622
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 2: You probably don't, but either way, yes, if you guys

623
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 2: didn't see it. Rams On Kadirov. Of course, Macha ben

624
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 2: On Kaliv is very closely associated with rams On Kadirov,

625
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 2: the leader of Chechnya. When I say leader, I mean

626
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 2: like murderous tyrant, and the murderous tyrant came out with

627
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 2: a bunch of statements or a long one anyway, about

628
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 2: how Dana needs to fix this, give the belt to

629
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 2: On Caliav, restore integrity, but apparently going over the heads

630
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 2: of the judges and then giving him the belt and

631
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 2: making him the championship.

632
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 3: The tone of it was like, hey, stupid, you saw

633
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 3: this coming. Why didn't you step in and fix it?

634
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 3: Like like, okay, we all sometimes accused the UFC of everything,

635
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 3: but they, for all we know, they don't control I mean,

636
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 3: did Dana want Doug Crosby to be the name everyone's

637
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 3: sweeten after this this card No, so they don't. They

638
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 3: don't control the commission and the judges for all we know.

639
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 3: But if you find out Kadirov was a silent investor

640
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 3: in the Dana White Slaptic league, Luke, would you would

641
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 3: you be the journalist that red flags that and and uh.

642
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would definitely take that public. Yeah you take Yeah.

643
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 3: Jeff did confirm to us here, Luke that uh Yasuhiro

644
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 3: Orushatani was the fourth one. He was nice work there, Luke.

645
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 3: Does Dana, you know, clap back or does Dana just

646
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 3: go nah them dudes a little? I mean, because Kadeirov

647
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 3: is the same ilk of the people that ran Dana

648
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 3: out of Cardio Kickboxing.

649
00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 2: Correct. Oh no, worse, Oh much worse, much worse. You know,

650
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 2: Ramzan Kadirov is not allowed to do business. He's not

651
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 2: supposed to be doing doing business with anyone in the

652
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 2: United States and has been with with like very good evidence.

653
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 2: Accused of first of all, trying to purge gay people

654
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 2: from Chechnya, kidnapping, disappearances, torture, murder, the murder of journalists,

655
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 2: like we're talking about an all time horrible I mean.

656
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 3: Organized crime is organized crime at the end of the day, Luke, right.

657
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 2: Right, right, I mean organized crime is not great, but

658
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 2: it's an order of magnet. Like the Italian mafia at

659
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 2: its heyday had a lot of power, but they literally

660
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 2: weren't the governor of the state of New York. They

661
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 2: weren't the governor of the state of New Jersey. They

662
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 2: might have been close in certain ways, but not like

663
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 2: directly controlled in power. Kadirov is directly controlling in power

664
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 2: and has by the way, Putin's sort of like level

665
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 2: of support by virtue of how loyal he is to

666
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 2: his interests. So yeah, it's so he's a bad dude.

667
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 2: He's a really bad People.

668
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 3: Think weed is a gateway drug to like heroin, and

669
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 3: we all disagree on that. I wonder if fraternities are

670
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 3: a gateway drug to to like organize crime and mafia

671
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,239
Speaker 3: at the end of the day. Look, the only the

672
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 3: only connection I have to Whitey Bulger is the nickname

673
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 3: for my my Bozak.

674
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 2: Luke.

675
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 3: Okay, that's the only thing, all.

676
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 2: Right, you know, and I give you credit your own genitals.

677
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 3: Amazing, there you go. This weekend in the Deep South.

678
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 3: All right, I'm revived.

679
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, good good, good. With that in mind,

680
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 2: and this is where I have purposely not dug in

681
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 2: heavily to the judging conversation, in part because in the

682
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 2: first fight with the main event, it's not as relevant.

683
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,479
Speaker 2: It's extremely relevant in the second fight that we're going

684
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 2: to talk about here, let's talk about the comin event

685
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 2: UFC two eighty two's Patty Pimblet defeating via unanimous decision

686
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 2: Jared Gordon so BC. I have a lot of thoughts

687
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 2: on this I actually have not shared yet, even though

688
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 2: I reacted in real time, but we have not had

689
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 2: a chains to get even your basic first reactions. So

690
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 2: let's start with you, and I'm gonna go in reverse order.

691
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 2: In this case, what do you make of the judging?

692
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 2: And then what did you make of the fight?

693
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 3: Fight kind of sucked. I mean, it was you know,

694
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 3: it was competed on even terms, and I think Rogan

695
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 3: was right to call it during the broadcast that especially

696
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 3: in a round three which really didn't finish much striking.

697
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 3: But you know, it's just constant standing grappling, you know. Yeah,

698
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 3: they used a lot of effort there, but the fight stunk.

699
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 3: The scores were off. Look, I had it two rounds

700
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 3: to one for Jared Gordon. I felt a lot of

701
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 3: people did. But I think the bigger story, Lucas, this

702
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 3: is a major regressive step for Patty pimblet. I was

703
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 3: the guy like you who upon arrival was like, man,

704
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 3: you know, I like the I liked the circus he brings,

705
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 3: but does he have the head movement, the defense, the

706
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 3: all this to do things. Look, he's won me over

707
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 3: largely step by step with his ability to rise to

708
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 3: the occasion to show us the ground skills that he

709
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 3: does have. But this week in particular, Luke was a

710
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 3: massive fail for Patty, and I thought you really nailed.

711
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 3: I don't know if that was on your live chat

712
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 3: or whatever. I've been gone for a few days, but

713
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 3: your takedown on Patty in the industry as a whole

714
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 3: for sort of you know, coming at Ariel at his

715
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 3: own game, and the l they took is, you know,

716
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 3: no different from Dana trying to clap back and forth

717
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 3: with a professional troller and Jake Paul, who can spit

718
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 3: out those on point two minute videos you know, left

719
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 3: and right to show you that you're not on this level.

720
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 3: I think Patty getting embroiled in all of that, Like

721
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 3: he did really put the target on him and he

722
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 3: was just unable to rise to the occasion. Do we

723
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 3: credit Gordon's toughness, Yes, But the prediction I had coming

724
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 3: in about what this fight might look like I think

725
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 3: was still in play as the fight was playing out,

726
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 3: Meaning you know, eventually Pimblet's gonna get served. There are

727
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 3: holes in that game. He's been over to overcome some

728
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 3: of those holes with some of those hard to identify

729
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 3: intangibles that he does possess, but all of that seemed

730
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,959
Speaker 3: to be dull this weekend, Meaning this was an opponent

731
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 3: who's tough as nails and Gordon who came after him,

732
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 3: but one Paddy, in my opinion, should have handled only

733
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 3: Luke he didn't. And the fact that he was so

734
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 3: nonchalant and overconfident within the fight. After the fight, that

735
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 3: bomb of a joke he attempted to Joe about paying

736
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 3: for the interview that Rogan didn't even understand and just

737
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 3: sort of like it was like, okay, dude, this was

738
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 3: just a bad look from start to finish. Now you

739
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 3: saw him physically, he looked in great shape, It's not

740
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 3: like he came in fat or whatever. But Luke, I

741
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 3: have to be fair here. The focus and that that

742
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 3: spark that I'm here to prove everybody wrong. Thing that

743
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,439
Speaker 3: was in the wrong direction for Patty this week. Meaning

744
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 3: it wasn't like he was motivated to come out here

745
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 3: and show everybody that he's not a hype job and

746
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 3: a bust. It was as if mentally he already fully

747
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 3: escalated himself into the role of superstar. You know, he'd

748
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 3: been talking about fighting Connor on pay per view for weeks.

749
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 3: Coming in. He has the Boss on his podcast and

750
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:55,240
Speaker 3: gives an absolutely tone deaf interview about Ariel that plays

751
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 3: into people kind of mixing in booze and cheers. And

752
00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 3: then on top of that, you're in there against a

753
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 3: guy that you should beat ability wise. I'm just in

754
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:06,240
Speaker 3: my opinion that he should beat, and you know he's

755
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 3: just he's getting beat to the punch in the first round.

756
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 3: And you know, judging wise, how the hell do you

757
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 3: give Patty pinmble that first round. I just didn't see

758
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 3: it closest fight overall, But he took a step back

759
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 3: in terms of his growth as a fighter. No question,

760
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 3: he deserved to probably have lost this and had to

761
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 3: force himself to rebound, but instead he sort of survived

762
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 3: in advance with a double bit of finger. And you know,

763
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 3: between this and the post fight press conference and you know,

764
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 3: what do you want to do next? I don't care

765
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 3: whoever they put in front of I mean, it's just

766
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 3: like it's he made a wrong turn, Luke. Is he

767
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,479
Speaker 3: buying into the Patty headlines a little bit too much?

768
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 3: Is all this barstool bullshit with everybody in the crowd

769
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 3: and wigs. I love hype, I love circus stuff, I

770
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 3: love trash talk. But what made Connor McGregor so successful

771
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 3: in doing that better than anyone ever did in his rise?

772
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 3: Winning the fights and pretty much winning them spectacularly during

773
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 3: that insane run Connor had. It's not like he was

774
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 3: having these close decisions where we argue after the fact

775
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 3: that he actually lost. Dude, he went in there and

776
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 3: took care of things. Patty's already stepping into the character

777
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 3: a little bit too aggressively without making sure, in my opinion,

778
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 3: that the fine details are all you know, are all

779
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 3: handled in the right way. Look, this was a straight

780
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 3: up progression, and I think with a sort of a

781
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 3: bad pr week mixed in. He's gonna have to go

782
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 3: back to the drawing board and he's gonna have to

783
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 3: win us over, because if this is the fighter he

784
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,919
Speaker 3: actually is, then stepping up in competition is only gonna

785
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 3: get him closer to that first l And it's not

786
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 3: like the career's make or break. This isn't you know

787
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 3: what we sometimes wrongfully look at boxing, where one loss

788
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 3: shows you exactly who somebody is. No, no, one's trying to

789
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 3: say that. But dude, he talked a big game this week,

790
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 3: talked a big game during the fight. He took a

791
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 3: big game after it, but he did not have a

792
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 3: performance that backed it up. And if anything, he was

793
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 3: lucky to survive in what I thought was really just

794
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 3: some shitty judging across the board. It's two rounds to

795
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 3: one for Gordon Ben a split decision win or split

796
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 3: decision loss either way. Yeah, but to see Patty the favored,

797
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 3: you know, the favored sun come out, it only fuels

798
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 3: people to go, oh, Dannine Company paid off the je

799
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 3: Now I don't believe they pay up the judge. I

800
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 3: think it's just a shitty performance from the judges who

801
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 3: had a better view than I did. But this definitely

802
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 3: was a slow your role movement to what is the

803
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 3: true wait for it, ubl that tattoo right across the

804
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 3: nable upper bound limits, Luke, this was a detour, a stop,

805
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 3: can't you know.

806
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 2: Seats taking It's not even a detour like we need

807
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 2: to take. We need to stop with the fantasy that

808
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 2: what we've seen gives us any confidence that a title

809
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:48,280
Speaker 2: is in his future. Like okay, So for example, for example,

810
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 2: this was his fourth fight in the UFC. Right, pop

811
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 2: quiz BC. What was Connor McGregor's fourth fight in the.

812
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 3: UFC uh Dustin Poier?

813
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,439
Speaker 2: Correct? And what happened in that fight?

814
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 3: He knocked him the fuck out to be fair in

815
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 3: a round.

816
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:05,760
Speaker 2: In a round, he finished him off in a round.

817
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 2: Do you know where Parier was ranked by most places

818
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 2: at that time in that moment September of twenty fourteen.

819
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 3: I'm gonna guess no worse than six?

820
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 2: How about number five? Okay, So let's let's compare the

821
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 2: two for all the people being like, oh, he's the

822
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 2: next guy, dude, know the fuck he's not? Not right

823
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 2: now that Connor McGregor, in his fourth UFC fight, fought

824
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 2: Dustin Poarier knocked him out inside of around and he

825
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,240
Speaker 2: was ranked fifth. Jared Gordon is a very talented fighter,

826
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 2: but as it stands today is unranked in the division.

827
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 2: Like we're not even talking about people remotely on the

828
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 2: same level. The biggest winner at UFC two eighty two

829
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 2: was Ilya Taporia, who will talk about later, matter of factly, like,

830
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 2: that is someone who's got real potential. That is someone

831
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 2: who clearly either will fight for a title, maybe even

832
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 2: win one, maybe even hold it for some time. That

833
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 2: guy is on the level. Patty is certainly a very

834
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 2: talented dude, and I will be clear again, his back

835
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 2: attacks and his fence wrestling are elite. Those are elite,

836
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 2: But the rest of the game, which is huge portions

837
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 2: of it, are not. It's not and it's it's not

838
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 2: even me this is it sounds like we're being insulting

839
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 2: by not like exalting every portion of his game, which

840
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 2: is not what we're trying to do. We're trying to

841
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 2: make accurate assessments we can say based on evidence. And

842
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 2: by the way, we're talking about a guy who's got

843
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 2: what twenty three plus fights something like that to this point,

844
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 2: who's been fighting for over a decade in Patty pimblet

845
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 2: or roughly a decade anyway. I think he made his

846
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 2: pro debut in twenty twelve, right, so he's got a

847
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 2: ten year pro career. He's twenty plus fights in. In

848
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 2: his fourth UFC fight, he barely eked out a win

849
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 2: due to poor judging in my in my estimation, because

850
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 2: I think he lost against an unranked fighter, guys not

851
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 2: even on the same ballpark, not even the same universe

852
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 2: as what Connor McGregor did back when he was fighting

853
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 2: everyone one in twenty fourteen and twenty fifteen and on

854
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 2: not even related. Now. I just score it, dude, How

855
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 2: did I score it? I scored it two rounds to

856
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 2: one for Jared Gordon. I had him with in the

857
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 2: first round cleanly. Second round I recognized is a little

858
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 2: bit close. Third round I recognized is also a little

859
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 2: bit weird because it was controlled time without much a

860
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 2: lot behind it, and so it's really hard to know.

861
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,280
Speaker 2: But if someone gave that one to Patty, it wouldn't

862
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 2: bother me at all. It's fine, I get it, But BC,

863
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 2: I think we do need to have a discussion about judging,

864
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 2: and I think we need to have it on two

865
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 2: different levels. Okay, here's the first level I want to

866
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 2: have it on. Namely, it is true that after every

867
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 2: disputed decision a lot of people are happy and a

868
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 2: lot of people are sad, and the people who are

869
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 2: sad get out and cry robbery. That is very true.

870
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 2: People cry robbery in inherently close fights all the time,

871
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 2: and that doesn't really do anything. It doesn't mean anything.

872
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:56,879
Speaker 2: It's just sound and furious signifying nothing. On the other hand, BC,

873
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 2: this is my problem, and this is why I think

874
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 2: people are frustrating. If you look at this fight, only

875
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 2: one round was consistently given to one person. Round two

876
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 2: was given ten nine to Patty, which I don't agree with.

877
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 2: In fact, here's my point. The other two rounds were

878
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 2: could have gone either way based on how the judges

879
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:15,919
Speaker 2: scored it. Some people give it to Patty, some people

880
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 2: give it to Jared. And of course we've seen three

881
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,280
Speaker 2: round fights before where there was no unanimity with the judges,

882
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 2: where each judge there was no single round were all

883
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 2: three agreed. Then this particular case, it was the second,

884
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 2: but it didn't have to be that way. I want

885
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 2: to point out something here, and this is my main

886
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 2: problem with the scoring criteria. To me, it is not

887
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 2: impossible to argue thirty twenty seven Gordon. It's not to

888
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 2: me a very strong scorecard is twenty nine to twenty

889
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 2: eight Gordon. It is to me less conceivable. But I

890
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,240
Speaker 2: could understand a twenty nine to twenty eight for Patty

891
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 2: based on the way Judge Chris Lee had it, which

892
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 2: was ten to nine for the first one and then

893
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 2: the other two for Patty. Right, that I understand, And honestly,

894
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 2: while I could not agree with it, you cannot say

895
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 2: based on the way the judges scored it, who they

896
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 2: both two of them gave round one to Patty, that

897
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 2: it is at at least conceivable, right and arguable to

898
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 2: your authorities there at the Commission if you scored it

899
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 2: this way, is thirty twenty seven Patty based on the

900
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 2: scoring criteria in play, not that I am asking you

901
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,760
Speaker 2: to agree with that assessment, but based on the amount

902
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 2: of latitude that we grant, where two of the judges

903
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 2: gave rounds one and two to Patty and another one

904
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 2: gave round three to him, so all three are in

905
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 2: play there. In other words, we have a scoring criteria

906
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 2: where thirty twenty seven Gordon and thirty twenty seven Patty

907
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 2: are both in play, folks. People listen to me very clearly,

908
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 2: this scoring criteria is not good. It gives so much

909
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 2: latitude individual latitude to interpretation and to the judge's own

910
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 2: estimation of things that you do not get any clarity

911
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 2: or any difference between a good scorecard and a kind

912
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,439
Speaker 2: of shitty one that you can fudge and see. This

913
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 2: is the reason why everyone is upset because we have

914
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 2: so much room accommodated for dog shit judging that we

915
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 2: grant as acceptable under the circumstances by virtue of the

916
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 2: latitude granted. Fuck that this scoring criteria blows. I'm tired

917
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 2: of people defending it, and we need a different and

918
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 2: better system.

919
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 3: I mean, it was it was a perfect storm to

920
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,240
Speaker 3: get this to be one of our lead discussions, meaning

921
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 3: Doug Crosby putting in the outlier scorecard in Belator with

922
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 3: Sabatlo the night before, flying across the country and having

923
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 3: another shitty score card in this fight simultaneously all three

924
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 3: judges scored it to the favorite Sun that nobody thought won.

925
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,240
Speaker 3: Then you add in what happened in the main event,

926
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 3: where all this did to me was once again put

927
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 3: back in the spotlight that we not only have one

928
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 3: problem related to him and may judging and scoring, we

929
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 3: have many, Luke, using the boxing ten nine mus system.

930
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,879
Speaker 3: Nobody knows anymore what a ten eight round is. At

931
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 3: some points, you know, there was over compensation of anything

932
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 3: dominant as a ten eight round. Now everyone's afraid to

933
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 3: do it again. And last, but not least, the interpretation

934
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 3: of the letter of the law, which if you're reading

935
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 3: it the way I did when a fan sent it

936
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 3: to me, it's impact, not damage. An impact could mean

937
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 3: so many different things based on that actual letter, like

938
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 3: making somebody frustrated because you're implementing your game plan and

939
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 3: making them adjust. Yet, we had John McCarthy of you know,

940
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 3: famous referee of belt or fame on our podcast last

941
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 3: week and he's like, no, I'm the one who was

942
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 3: in those meetings when that Letter of the Law was

943
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 3: put out. I wanted it to be damaged. It should

944
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 3: be damaged. They wanted to change the word to impact

945
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 3: to make it seem less barbaric and violent. Luke, I

946
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 3: believe changing that word to impact completely changes how you

947
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 3: could interpret it. All that leads to a large shit soup,

948
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 3: which is what we're all gonna be, you know, swimming

949
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 3: in until changes are made. This just happened to be

950
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 3: a perfect storm this week of Crosby flying all over

951
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 3: the globe and all this sort of like did the

952
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 3: favorite sun win when he shouldn't have? At the end

953
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 3: of the day, was this fight close? Yes, should have

954
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 3: been two to one, Gordon, Yeah, both of us, and

955
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 3: everybody online is telling you that same thing. But you know,

956
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 3: these problems are gonna stay these problems, Luke. You know,

957
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 3: whether you want to go to five judges instead of three,

958
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 3: or you want to go to almost a point scoring

959
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 3: system somewhat allah amateur wrestling. This is what you're gonna

960
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 3: get continuously in a fight where it's not like this

961
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 3: isn't even like MVP versus logan story where you're like, okay,

962
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 3: it depends on how you interpret that letter, which side

963
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 3: you're gonna lean. This just seemed like people are leaning

964
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 3: all over the place, and I don't really get it, Luke.

965
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 2: I'll say this. You know everyone does this bit about like, oh, well,

966
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 2: if we use this system in this case, it would

967
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 2: be better without recognition of like, well, how would that work?

968
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 2: How would we implement it more widely? And yes, it's

969
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 2: very easy to say this one particular system would make

970
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 2: a better choice in this one, But would the system

971
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 2: work better overall? It's a separate debate. However, BC, I've

972
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 2: been very consistent on this show. I do think one

973
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 2: has a one championship is a much better system for

974
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 2: adjudicating fights. And you could not fucking tell me in

975
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 2: this contest. Listen, I have the stats right here. Round two. Remember,

976
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 2: round one is the clearest round for Jared Gordon, and

977
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 2: two of the judges didn't give it to him. Like

978
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 2: to me, it's like, dude, what the fuck are we

979
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 2: doing here? This does not make any sense whatsoever. So

980
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 2: there's a problem I want to get to there. But BC,

981
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 2: in the second round, the round that they all gave

982
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 2: to Patty twenty eight to twenty four, Patty had a

983
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 2: four significant strike lead, which is not much but something,

984
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 2: and of course that's quantitative not qualitative. However, Gordon also

985
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 2: had a take down and had two minutes of overall

986
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 2: control time. Partly along with that, like the idea that

987
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 2: that's a clear round for Patty, but round one, with

988
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 2: its math is on a clear round for Jared Gordon.

989
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 2: Just makes no sense if you judge that fight as

990
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 2: a whole. Which guy took the fight to the other

991
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 2: guy the most, Which guy did the most activity, Which

992
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 2: guy was trying harder. Which guy was the one who,

993
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 2: by the way, by virtue of the punches he was

994
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 2: landing getting the other guy to back up, and he

995
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 2: was trying to launch an assault. It was Jared Gordon.

996
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 2: It was Jared Gordon the entire time. This is fucking bullshit,

997
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 2: and I'm so sick of hearing all the time. It's like, well,

998
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,720
Speaker 2: this score card is okay, and this cord is is okay,

999
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 2: and this scorecard is okay, and this scorecard is okay.

1000
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 2: If all of those scorecards are okay, then your criteria

1001
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 2: is not very helpful. It doesn't really separate the whek

1002
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 2: from the chaff hardly at all, which we need the

1003
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 2: most of in these contests. Now, BC, you brought up

1004
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 2: something else that we really got to talk about, which

1005
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 2: is Doug Crosby, a guy who's been fucking off for

1006
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,439
Speaker 2: as long as I can remember. In this fight game.

1007
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 2: Seven years ago, Chuck Mindenhall wrote a feature on him.

1008
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 2: If you've never seen it or read it, it's you know,

1009
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 2: this guy just believes he has a different set of

1010
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 2: wisdom that is above the rest of us mere mortals. Meanwhile,

1011
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 2: he turns in some of the worst fucking scorecards you've

1012
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 2: ever seen in your life. Would you want to say,

1013
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 2: could you educate me?

1014
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 3: I don't know much of his history, but I'm told

1015
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,760
Speaker 3: that he was on Chills podcast and now these files

1016
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 3: are deleted and he said some offensive stuff and Aaron

1017
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 3: Bronstead are found the missing audio and put it back

1018
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 3: out there. I was at a wedding trying to catch

1019
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 3: up with all this, Luke, Okay.

1020
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, basically, if I've not even heard those tapes,

1021
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 2: which are bad enough, but I read his profile. Doug

1022
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 2: Crosby hit me up years ago, was calling me, leaving

1023
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 2: me messages. I never returned a single one of them.

1024
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 2: Where basically, here's here's what the commissions in theory are

1025
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 2: asking judges to do. Every judge, because they're a person,

1026
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 2: is inherently going to have their own set of biases.

1027
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 2: It's impossible to not have any bias. But of course

1028
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 2: a good person is going to be somewhat understanding of

1029
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 2: that and do their best to limit it. And what

1030
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 2: they really want you to do is to look at

1031
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 2: the criteria and make an assessment and as best as

1032
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 2: you can take that criteria and apply it to the fight.

1033
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,959
Speaker 2: Doug Crosby does not believe he is constrained by these considerations.

1034
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 2: And what certainly what he has said in the past anyway,

1035
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 2: is that basically he has his own sense of things

1036
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 2: and he's going to go buy it in the way

1037
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 2: which he deems best, Like he has his own editorial

1038
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 2: judgment about.

1039
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 3: What out here wine standing all over the fight game

1040
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 3: look right.

1041
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 2: And so we'll talk about the Danny Septela fight because

1042
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 2: Doug Crosby is involved in both judging contrabs. He turns

1043
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 2: in an absolute dog shit fifty forty five for Danny

1044
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 2: Saptelo and then comes out here and gives rounds one

1045
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 2: and two to Patty, which I don't doesn't make sense

1046
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 2: to me, and then round three to Jared win. Round

1047
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 2: three is the one where he does all the control

1048
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 2: without much damage. Like, if there was one round you're

1049
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 2: not gonna give to Jared Gordon, it's actually round three

1050
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 2: that would be the one that you don't give to him.

1051
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 2: That's the only one he got from Doug Crosby. And dude,

1052
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 2: let me just say this very clear, clearly, these commissions

1053
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 2: will not fire these fucking guys. They will not reduce

1054
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,879
Speaker 2: their roles, they will not limit them. Doug Crosby has

1055
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 2: been a you talk to fighters and coaches. My phone

1056
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 2: this weekend is filled with high level coaches who've seen

1057
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 2: some of the things I've said, reach out to me

1058
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 2: privately and say, this guy has been damaging careers for

1059
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 2: as long as they can remember, and the Commission won't

1060
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 2: do shit about it. We can cry all we want

1061
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 2: about the criteria being a problem, and I think that

1062
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 2: it is, but one of the things that exacerbates it

1063
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 2: is that they will not do anything about flagging talent

1064
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 2: who need to be either removed, re educated, otherwise had

1065
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 2: their role reduced.

1066
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 3: All I can tell you from my history in boxing

1067
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 3: is that's how the commissions roll. You know how do

1068
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 3: you know how sketchy the reputation of the Texas Commission

1069
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 3: is in boxing? Do you know how many times rip

1070
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 3: the late judge Gail van Hoyd just turned out scorecards

1071
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:21,439
Speaker 3: that were like twelve nothing in the other direction, yet

1072
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 3: continue to do the biggest fights. Lawrence Cole, son of

1073
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 3: the former head of the Texas Commission, has had so

1074
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 3: many in Ring botches. Yet if there's a title fight

1075
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 3: in Texas, Old Larry's there, Luke from you know, I

1076
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 3: want to call her because Danny Jacobs once famously mispronounced

1077
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 3: this on my podcast. I wanted to call her adolescent bird.

1078
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 3: But I mean, is that the greatest example, Luke of

1079
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 3: old Adelaide Bird, who you know botched the Triple g

1080
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 3: Caneli fight more Part one more than anybody, Bob, you know,

1081
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 3: Bob Bob Bennett at the press conference afterwards, like, no,

1082
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 3: she's completely fine, She's fine, which is a bad just

1083
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 3: a bad time.

1084
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 2: It's like, what planner are you?

1085
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 3: Just completely fine? But look, the only time I ever

1086
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 3: saw somebody get run off with CJ. Ross, and that's

1087
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 3: because she put back to back monster stinker. She scored

1088
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 3: Bradley Pakia one for Bradley, and then she scored Mayweather

1089
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 3: Canelo six rounds to six, and they got rid of

1090
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 3: her with two like monstrous misses on the very highest level.

1091
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 3: I guess short of that, Luke, you're untouchable, right, You're

1092
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 3: Teflon don over here in the Commission Official game. I've

1093
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 3: said it, I always say it. I believe it the

1094
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 3: best way to weed out the good from the batting.

1095
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 3: The commission is to make the officials. I know my

1096
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 3: judging friends of Connecticut don't like this opinion, but to

1097
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 3: make the officials accountable after the event, make the judge,

1098
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 3: make the referee show up to every press conference, not

1099
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 3: to get pissed on, but to get cross examined. Show us,

1100
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:55,439
Speaker 3: tell us what you saw, because Luke, this will show

1101
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 3: everybody watching who really gets it. This will also, in

1102
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,359
Speaker 3: my opinion, educate it because, like you said, not every

1103
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 3: fight it's a freaking robbery. It would allow an official

1104
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 3: to say, look, I'm not on Twitter, I don't have

1105
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 3: a replays, I'm sitting right here and this is what

1106
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 3: I saw. Do that. If not, this is what's going

1107
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 3: to happen. But I want to ask you quickly because

1108
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 3: I've always try to Devil's advocate ourselves. Are we missing

1109
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 3: the scoring on this fight, and in particular round one,

1110
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 3: which I don't think that's a swing round. I thought

1111
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 3: that was clear that Gordon landed more power shots that

1112
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 3: were knocking Patty's head around in the first round. Yeah,

1113
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 3: Patty rallied late, but so did Gordon. Are we missing

1114
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 3: the fact? Are we overlooking the fact that Patty didn't

1115
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 3: dominate this guy like we thought he maybe he should.

1116
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,919
Speaker 3: Did that make us want to score the fight more

1117
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 3: even than we should have, Luke, Because you will say this,

1118
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 3: whether you believe these judges are clowns or true professionals,

1119
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 3: they are professionals, meaning they go through the you know,

1120
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 3: the conferences, the exams that you know, they get feedback

1121
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 3: in theory from their bosses here. So are we overplaying that?

1122
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 3: You know that whole idea of Well, Patty didn't do

1123
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 3: as good as I thought he should have, so he lost?

1124
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:02,919
Speaker 3: Is that impor?

1125
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm never one of these guys who expects

1126
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 2: him to go out there and like I'm still in

1127
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 2: a state where I'm like, let's see what Patty's got.

1128
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 2: I didn't go in there with like big expectator. Frankly,

1129
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 2: I think I thought he was gonna win. I think

1130
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 2: I picked him to win on CBS Sports HQ. I

1131
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,720
Speaker 2: thought he was I thought he was gonna I knew

1132
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 2: I thought he was gonna win, but I knew it

1133
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 2: was like there's a lot we don't know how it's

1134
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 2: gonna happen here. I mean, my sense is he should

1135
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 2: probably get it done. But I guess we'll see. You know,

1136
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 2: so this is not some case, certainly, And I can

1137
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 2: only speak for myself. I don't know about the wider public,

1138
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 2: which is, I know what you're asking. But I never

1139
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 2: went in there with some preconceived notion that this was

1140
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 2: an unwinnable thing and he's gonna get exposed and or

1141
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 2: you know whatever negatives, uh editorial viewpoint, you you're you're

1142
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 2: you would want to want to put on this. I

1143
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 2: went in every being like, let's see what happens. I

1144
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 2: thought he got boxed around for the first round. And

1145
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 2: also here's another part, dude, go back and look and

1146
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 2: watch how much Jared Gordon blocks everything. There is so

1147
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 2: much which that just lands on the arms and the

1148
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 2: gloves of Jared Gordon. And you know, if I had

1149
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,399
Speaker 2: reminded me of it reminded me of Diego Sanchez versus

1150
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 2: Martin Campmon, where Diego Sanchez wins this fight based on activity.

1151
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 2: And when I say activity, there's literally like long stretches

1152
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 2: where you can see the crowd roar, where he doesn't

1153
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 2: even make contact with Campman, and yet he still wins.

1154
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 2: Campman clearly won that contest, but it didn't matter because

1155
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 2: it looked like just the aggression and the volume of

1156
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 2: attempts from Diego kind of swayed their judges. There's something

1157
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 2: to be said for that. I thought a lot of

1158
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,240
Speaker 2: that here was this. Patty did land some good shots,

1159
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 2: he was trying to be active, he didn't get his

1160
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 2: ass kicked or something like that, but he clearly lost.

1161
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 2: He clearly fucking lost this contest. And I don't know

1162
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 2: how that's. Well, I do know how we got where

1163
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 2: we got, but it's a fucking problem.

1164
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 3: How concerned were you with Patty's utter dismissal that this

1165
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 3: fight was closed, that that he could have lost that afterwards,

1166
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 3: he's sort of like, no, man, I knew I was

1167
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 3: up to nothing, so I was coasting around.

1168
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:01,399
Speaker 2: Again, and then the third round to him and then

1169
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:03,879
Speaker 2: it's like, dude, Red Flaggler.

1170
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 3: He told Joe Rogan that I knew I was up

1171
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 3: to nothing, so I didn't want to take a chance

1172
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:10,720
Speaker 3: so that I can get stopped. Yo. That's the difference

1173
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 3: between Patty Pimblet and Connor McGregor, right now. That's the

1174
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:14,439
Speaker 3: difference right there.

1175
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:18,240
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, here's the thing. Robbie Lawler, throughout his career

1176
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 2: has always taken rounds off, you know, so like I'm

1177
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,240
Speaker 2: not going to kill a guy for doing that. But again,

1178
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:26,919
Speaker 2: going back to the comparisons with Connor, like, you're right,

1179
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,919
Speaker 2: they don't make sense. And also, you know, why would

1180
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 2: you be comfortable that you were winning the first two rounds, Like,

1181
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 2: at a bare minimum, you had to know they were close,

1182
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 2: and when they're close, given the criteria, it's just impossible

1183
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 2: to know which way they're going to go. Like there's

1184
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 2: a certain amount of comfortability with like how things are

1185
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 2: going that doesn't match reality. I don't quite understand how

1186
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 2: we got to that point. I really, I really really don't.

1187
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 2: So the big takeaway for me is he gets the win.

1188
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:53,320
Speaker 2: We can talk about judging and everything else on what

1189
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 2: should change. I think our current scoring system sucks ass

1190
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 2: and we need to say it out loud. But the

1191
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 2: bigger part is what you set up for, which is

1192
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 2: it wasn't like Patty looked bad. That's not true. He

1193
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:11,320
Speaker 2: did not look bad. He just looked okay, right, okay

1194
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 2: against another guy who's not ranked. This is not a

1195
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 2: guy who is screaming title potential at all.

1196
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 3: And this is the you know, if anyone thinking we're

1197
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 3: being extra critical, I don't assume anyone is. But maybe

1198
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 3: there's some liver Poodolians, some scousers out there who think

1199
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 3: we are when you announce yourself in the way Patty

1200
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 3: has since arriving here. Yes there's extra expectations, there's extra scrutiny.

1201
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 3: So Luke, this plays right into I want your take

1202
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 3: first and foremost, what direction should the UFC go next

1203
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 3: with Patty? Patty's not a train wreck. He didn't fall apart,

1204
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 3: he didn't guess out and lose, but he had a

1205
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,320
Speaker 3: win that he was lucky to get survive in advance,

1206
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 3: did not escalate his career in any sort of way,

1207
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 3: you know. But yet the barstool guys are out there

1208
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 3: with wigs, you know, ruining all these scousers careers. Luke. Accidentally,

1209
00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 3: we're not cashing him out. I mean in the war

1210
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:02,839
Speaker 3: war which Patty in theory shouldn't have access to. Are

1211
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 3: they concerned it all? What are they talking about in

1212
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:07,439
Speaker 3: your opinion of what should be next forim?

1213
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 2: I think if you're a UFC, I've said this before

1214
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 2: because we've seen it with like Paige van Zan and

1215
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 2: the Stage North Cuts and some other prospects as well.

1216
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 2: We'll see what happens with Raoul Rosas, who, by the way,

1217
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 2: look pretty good, look pretty good. You know he had

1218
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 2: a fight. He shouldn't pretty good.

1219
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:24,919
Speaker 3: He looked freaking fantastic.

1220
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 2: Luke. Okay, oh, he looked pretty good. I mean we're

1221
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 2: talking about an opponent he was, you know, was very

1222
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 2: much outmatched.

1223
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 3: Okay, he turned eighteen yesterday. He backpacked the kid and

1224
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 3: put him away without even being touched. I think that

1225
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 3: he's better.

1226
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:40,959
Speaker 2: Than not understand combat sports peaking. People think with Raoul

1227
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 2: Rosas junior, because he's eighteen, Oh, how good will he

1228
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 2: be by twenty five? Dude, he might peak at nineteen,

1229
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 2: he might peak at twenty seven, he might peak at

1230
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 2: twenty two. It's impossible to say. So what you can

1231
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 2: say is against an overmatched upon and I see you

1232
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 2: playing games because you don't like reconciling with the facts.

1233
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 2: He looked good. He did look good. There's no other argument.

1234
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 2: But he had a very outmatched opponent. He was supposed there.

1235
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 3: Is another argument, you say, and he looked pretty good.

1236
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 2: Dismissively Okay, no, no, no, it's not dismissively, but you can

1237
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 2: do again. It's he's not beating super high quality opponents.

1238
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 2: Nor should he be fighting.

1239
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 3: Okay, but he set up in an ESPN main event,

1240
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 3: probably without armpit hair. He can barely vote with so

1241
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 3: much quessure.

1242
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 2: So here's the question, BC, what does that mean for

1243
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 2: his future? Because that's the that's what you're trying to

1244
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 2: get to. Here, tell me what Saturday means for the

1245
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 2: actual full potential, because here's the narrative. The narrative is

1246
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 2: because he looked good, Oh my god, the possibilities are endless,

1247
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 2: not fucking true, not true today, not true, tomorrow, not true. Ever,

1248
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 2: it doesn't mean that at all. That that's the problem

1249
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 2: people think, because I'm not necessarily talking about this means

1250
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 2: at twenty five he's going to be great. That is

1251
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 2: not what that means.

1252
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 3: But he could get it. He could get a flower

1253
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 3: today from you for his post. Oh yeah, no, that's

1254
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 3: not a topic. What do you do next with Patty?

1255
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 2: If you're the Rosa junior actually looks sharp, that's the point.

1256
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 2: But neither here nor there. I think you treat Patty

1257
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 2: like you would if he won this convincingly. What's the

1258
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 2: next step up from Jared Gordon? The UFC with Rabel

1259
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 2: Rosas and these other guys. They usually give him like

1260
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 2: the three ish sometimes two sometimes four, like work up

1261
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 2: fights before they really begin to turn up the heat. Okay, man,

1262
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 2: you fought Jared Gordon. He didn't look bad, right, he

1263
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 2: did not look bad, but the judging was We've been

1264
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 2: over that, so I think you just treat it like

1265
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 2: it's the next step up and either give him something

1266
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 2: like in that side the top fifteen like eleven to fifteen,

1267
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 2: or someone run the outside. I will say this though,

1268
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 2: like Lightweight's got a lot of guys who are also

1269
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 2: not ranked who I think would give Patty a real

1270
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 2: hard time. Who's the kid that lost to Sadik Yusuf?

1271
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 2: I forget his name, but uh, what are.

1272
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 3: You talking about? Demir Imagulov?

1273
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 2: No, no, no, dude, Demiris Magoulov would have his way

1274
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 2: with him.

1275
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, okay, is now that here's the question.

1276
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 3: Is now the time to find a little bit better

1277
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 3: Jared Gordon? Or is now the time to mike crazy,

1278
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 3: to go crazy and maxim out and put it in

1279
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 3: there with like freaking Connor? Or is there an in

1280
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 3: between where maybe you find a faded name going in

1281
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 3: that direction.

1282
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 2: You could do this. You could do this Tony Ferguson's ranked.

1283
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 3: That's what I was building towards. I love your way.

1284
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 3: You thought about that, Luke Thomas, If he fights Tony

1285
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 3: Ferguson in three months, does he get the win and

1286
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 3: put all this stuff behind him?

1287
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 2: Probably I would, I would gun to my head. I'd

1288
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 2: probably pick him. But I'll say this, Mike, Mike Davis

1289
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 2: is not ranked, and I bet Mike Davis to beat

1290
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 2: him cleanly. Oh wow, it's definitely on a pay per

1291
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 2: view main card. I mean he's definitely quite popular.

1292
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 3: But I mean, does it okay?

1293
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 2: All right?

1294
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 3: Dude? Am I overly giddy about some weird potential of

1295
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 3: doing a Connor Patty pay per view too early and

1296
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 3: putting it in Europe and go nothing? Yeah? I'm drunk

1297
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 3: on that idea because I like fun, weird spectacular, you

1298
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 3: know me? Okay, I get I'll get sold by the packaging,

1299
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 3: by the colors. I don't read the ingredients on the

1300
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 3: back of Luke. You could ask my doctor. But with

1301
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 3: Patty showing limitations or concerns, or maybe it was just

1302
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 3: a bad camp, bad week, bad all that, and he

1303
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 3: just kind of was flat. I almost want this Connor

1304
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 3: fight even more now because it's like the ultimate we

1305
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 3: don't know what it's gonna look.

1306
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 2: Like, right, Yeah, But again, I mean, I just I

1307
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 2: just feel like you're you're like, look up the rankings

1308
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 2: there on lightweight, like Jalen Turner is not far behind you.

1309
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 2: Jalen Turner would do bad things to him, I think, don't.

1310
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 3: I don't disagree with that.

1311
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:54,440
Speaker 2: Damirs mcgoolov, I think is ranked twelve twelve, Like Damir's

1312
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 2: mcgoolov would box his face off. It wouldn't even be close.

1313
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 2: So to me, it's like, you know, you're this far

1314
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:02,920
Speaker 2: along in your career and the problem that Patty has

1315
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 2: is again the things he's good at. He's really good

1316
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 2: at back attacks, fence wrestling. He shines there. He's a

1317
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 2: problem there, like no doubt about it. Like I think

1318
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 2: he gives actually ranked guys real hard problems on that level.

1319
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 2: I do. I mean that genuinely, But I just feel like, like, like,

1320
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:24,960
Speaker 2: what's the ultimate upside of Patty At this point? I

1321
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 2: think you can conclude, not affirmatively, what it's going to be.

1322
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 2: But I would be very, very very surprised if he

1323
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 2: cracks the top five ever, maybe even top ten, to

1324
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 2: be quite honest, with you, it's okay.

1325
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 3: So so Barbosa at one fifty five, No, we're not

1326
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 3: doing that. You don't hate that. I know you.

1327
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 2: Don't know that. I don't hate that Barboso of like

1328
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 2: seven years ago. No, no, this version of it.

1329
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 3: But no, he's trying to do that.

1330
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right, let's move on to anyone else

1331
01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:58,520
Speaker 2: on the card here be seen and we'll talk about

1332
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 2: some beltorre because we still got to get to that. BC.

1333
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 2: There were other fights on the car. Let's talk about it.

1334
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 2: Darren Hill, he does not look great. He loses to

1335
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 2: Drigg his duples, although he had a good second round

1336
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 2: and a good rally and into the first. So what happened?

1337
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 3: BC?

1338
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 2: He gets finished off in the third with a face crank, which,

1339
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 2: by the way, he looked like, I'm not saying it

1340
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 2: wasn't in but there wasn't like a pitched hand fighting

1341
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 2: battle to get it off. He kind of just tapped. Okay,

1342
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 2: but you know, maybe it was really tough. Who knows

1343
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 2: either way? What's up with till where are we going?

1344
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 3: So I didn't think i'd say this because for another

1345
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 3: two and a half weeks Darren Hill is still on.

1346
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 3: You know, the light side of thirty. He's still on

1347
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 3: the good side more or less, I said, coming in

1348
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 3: regardless of loss, he's too big of a name, he's

1349
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:48,240
Speaker 3: still got too much in the tank that even with

1350
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 3: all these losses backed up, you know, you can't cut

1351
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 3: him or anything. Look, I think they should cut him,

1352
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 3: and it's not necessarily because he can't win fights at

1353
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 3: a step down level from here. But like, look what

1354
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:04,960
Speaker 3: happened to Brandon Moreno. I know that was a different

1355
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 3: scenario that we're considering getting rid of the division. But

1356
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 3: my point is this, I don't think you know, the

1357
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 3: UFC would lose a lot if he went to another

1358
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 3: big name secondary promotion and became a main inventor or

1359
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 3: even a champion. But he is not getting better, He's

1360
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 3: only getting worse. And when you look at the totality

1361
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 3: of this streak, which is six fights, one win, five defeats,

1362
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 3: the only win to split decision, even if everyone thought

1363
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 3: it should have been unanimous. But the only guy eb

1364
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 3: the guy Love and Kelvin Gastolam has similar questions and

1365
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 3: problems at the moment. It's like, unless you put him

1366
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 3: at the bottom now and make him restart and work

1367
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 3: all the way back. I think the only thing that's

1368
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 3: going to change if this guy is still going to

1369
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:50,480
Speaker 3: prove and come back to the level he once was,

1370
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:53,920
Speaker 3: which was a title challenger in a division below, is

1371
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 3: make him go, you know, make him go, break glass

1372
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 3: outside and figure out if it's in there, if it

1373
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 3: can be redeemed, because I feel like at this level

1374
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 3: in the UFC, he's had too many chances, and he's

1375
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 3: too consistently failed them. He hasn't failed them spectacularly outside

1376
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 3: of this one, which I think. Look, even with his

1377
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 3: reversal late in round one, and even with some of

1378
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 3: the success he had in round two against a suddenly

1379
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 3: exhausted dupless this performance, including the tap out, I mean, dude,

1380
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 3: this is bad. Look drinkis Duplessy impressed me. He was

1381
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 3: better in this fight than I thought he would be.

1382
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 3: I thought Till was going to get the you know,

1383
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 3: the sneaky upset here and remind us that experienced skill.

1384
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 3: Some of those things still matter. Even with Duplessy outperforming.

1385
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 3: He was also ready to go at and looked at

1386
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 3: times in that second round from his gas tank emptying

1387
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 3: to cease Till overall succumb the way he did. I mean,

1388
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:49,560
Speaker 3: the strikes on the ground at one point in that

1389
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 3: first round were sixty to zero. You saw that stat

1390
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 3: on the screen. It's like, you only want to tell

1391
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:58,200
Speaker 3: somebody that they should be cut if they're you know,

1392
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 3: getting knocked out or they're imploding. That's not necessarily it.

1393
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:05,320
Speaker 3: But Luke, every fight he's going further in the other direction,

1394
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 3: back to being ordinary, and I think where he once

1395
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 3: was at one point, I don't know if you can

1396
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 3: allow him to continue to be ordinary unless he's okay

1397
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 3: to stay in that direction, Luke, And I know, like, look,

1398
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 3: sometimes this happens. You know, guys like let's let's look

1399
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 3: back on Tallas Latis or Patrick Kote or guys that

1400
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 3: you know, at one point in their career made a

1401
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:27,360
Speaker 3: move and win, fought for a title, and then you

1402
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 3: know they were sort of average the rest of the

1403
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 3: way and lingered and had some wins and losses. There's

1404
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 3: no crime, no foul at that point, but till at

1405
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 3: one point, and maybe it's being a weight bully and

1406
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 3: a smaller division. I'm not really sure, Luke, but at

1407
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:41,880
Speaker 3: one point he looked to be something big. Some of

1408
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:44,760
Speaker 3: these losses have not been disastrous. The Robert Whitaker one.

1409
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 3: I thought he actually fought well. But how many more

1410
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 3: times is he gonna talk a big game, come back

1411
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:52,200
Speaker 3: after injury, switch camps, do all that stuff that you

1412
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 3: do to try to save and what are you gonna do?

1413
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 3: Go put him in there against another guy in the

1414
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 3: back of the top ten and you know, lose again.

1415
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:01,960
Speaker 3: He's one in five in his last six. If he,

1416
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:05,920
Speaker 3: for his chance, has a chance at riding this ship,

1417
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 3: he may have to go on the indie scene, Luke,

1418
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:10,840
Speaker 3: and go back and retool that way. I would not

1419
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 3: be against here right now as much I don't want

1420
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 3: to lose their job, not trying to be that kind

1421
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:15,560
Speaker 3: of but I am trying to be extra critical here

1422
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 3: in a moment that needs it. I don't think they

1423
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 3: would be wrong to let him go and say, look,

1424
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:21,880
Speaker 3: we love you, we'd love to see again, but you

1425
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:23,479
Speaker 3: got to go out there and fix something right now.

1426
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 3: I mean, Luke, can he be allowed to fix it

1427
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 3: on a lower level fighting unranked guys in the prelims?

1428
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that's the only way he stays

1429
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:32,080
Speaker 3: alive right now?

1430
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 2: Would that? I mean, for the let me ask you this, BECU,

1431
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 2: because I hadn't thought of it in this way. I mean,

1432
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 2: my take was going to be that, like the idea

1433
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:42,240
Speaker 2: that he's going to be elite, you know, and a

1434
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:44,520
Speaker 2: guy who can contend for a title at middleweight, it

1435
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:47,120
Speaker 2: seems like a pipe dream at this point. Again, twenty

1436
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:48,840
Speaker 2: nine years old, so you can never be too sure,

1437
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 2: but it seems very unlikely. I mean, dude, his wrestling defense.

1438
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 2: I'm sure Dricks is strong. He does appear to be

1439
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 2: quite physically gifted, but like, it just seemed like I

1440
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 2: can't believe this far along his wrestling defense is not

1441
01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 2: as developed as it is and he seemed to got

1442
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 2: injured in the fight. But let me put you back

1443
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:09,520
Speaker 2: to you, Like, some guys get bounced and then they

1444
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:12,520
Speaker 2: really take it as like, Okay, I've got to get

1445
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:15,200
Speaker 2: things right. But dude, some guys get bounced and they

1446
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 2: just never it doesn't fix anything. Like are you saying

1447
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:22,080
Speaker 2: that that you don't know what's going to happen if

1448
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:24,360
Speaker 2: they cut him, or that you're confident that if they

1449
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 2: cut him he will bounce back.

1450
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:29,000
Speaker 3: I'm saying that if he's meant to get back to

1451
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 3: the level that we once saw and thought he was,

1452
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:34,000
Speaker 3: and I get that that level is a grey area

1453
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:36,000
Speaker 3: because it came in a division down that he kind

1454
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:38,639
Speaker 3: of grew out of. For him to get back there,

1455
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 3: I think the only way to do it is to

1456
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 3: is to force this, force this crossroads moment where he's going,

1457
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:45,560
Speaker 3: oh shit, you know. I mean, he's gonna have to

1458
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:46,920
Speaker 3: go sign with somebody else. He's gonna have to run

1459
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:48,240
Speaker 3: off a couple of victories in a row. But if

1460
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:50,160
Speaker 3: he does, for all we know, he could be right

1461
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 3: back here. But just keeping him there and now going

1462
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:56,920
Speaker 3: you know, lowering the matchmaking bar even lower now to

1463
01:08:57,000 --> 01:08:59,400
Speaker 3: like unranked guys in the first prelimp I mean, what's

1464
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 3: the you know, I don't know, Luke. You know, I

1465
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 3: think the only chance he has of writing this this

1466
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:09,720
Speaker 3: this wrong and getting back there is by doing it

1467
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:11,040
Speaker 3: the long way. I mean, Luke, it's like, how many

1468
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:12,840
Speaker 3: more chances you're gonna give me? Already switched camps, Like

1469
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 3: there's been a lot of sort of like ah hill

1470
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:17,760
Speaker 3: faigure it. Aw, this is a this is a dark turn,

1471
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 3: or this is a bad luck, or this is a

1472
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 3: couple losses in a row. To be honest here, Luke,

1473
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:24,840
Speaker 3: his move up to middleweight has been a disaster. All

1474
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:28,640
Speaker 3: the losses have come against you know, elitish guys. But

1475
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 3: this should have been the fight that he wrote wrote

1476
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:33,160
Speaker 3: the wrong. He had a ball in front of him,

1477
01:09:33,280 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 3: a bull that could stop him if he got fucked up, right,

1478
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 3: a bull that you don't want to mess with, but

1479
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 3: a bull that if Darren Till is still gonna be

1480
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:43,479
Speaker 3: Darren Till. He could have and should have. Matta Durdan

1481
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:46,320
Speaker 3: figured it out. There were little hints right with dupless

1482
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:48,519
Speaker 3: dumping his gas tank in the first round, where it

1483
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:51,000
Speaker 3: looked like that was still possible. And to give Till credit,

1484
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 3: he's got a great chance. He fought through some adversity,

1485
01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:55,760
Speaker 3: but as much as the tattoo on his arm as

1486
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 3: a cover up to try to, you know, get rid

1487
01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 3: of the earlier relationship he had with that woman, the

1488
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:02,880
Speaker 3: mother of his kids. Luke, this fight looks like a

1489
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:05,640
Speaker 3: cover up performance on trying to make me believe that

1490
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:08,160
Speaker 3: he can still be better than this Luke, unless he

1491
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:11,160
Speaker 3: gets caught and has to really do some deep soul searching.

1492
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 3: I mean, look, it is the fairest thing you can

1493
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:16,200
Speaker 3: say that this move up and wait kind of kind

1494
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:19,719
Speaker 3: of killed whatever momentum or advantage he once had. How

1495
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 3: do you sum up the best. You can. Forget about

1496
01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 3: the Woodley loss, even though I called that on the

1497
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:27,720
Speaker 3: nab At episode two hundred. Look I did, there's footage

1498
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:31,800
Speaker 3: outside of that when we're looking at the Masvitol loss

1499
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:33,840
Speaker 3: mixed with these four fights now at middleweight in which

1500
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:37,639
Speaker 3: he's one and three. Answer me this what went wrong?

1501
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 3: How do you sum this up as a whole? Not

1502
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:44,599
Speaker 3: this fight against Drikis this run as a whole? Can

1503
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:46,800
Speaker 3: we fix it? What the hell went wrong? Because I'm

1504
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:49,840
Speaker 3: going extreme now, I'm going I'm sorry, dude, I've loved you.

1505
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:52,799
Speaker 3: I'm not here to be a hater on Scousers, although

1506
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:54,439
Speaker 3: I mean, am I the biggest Molly Meatball fan?

1507
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:54,600
Speaker 6: No?

1508
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:58,320
Speaker 3: Did I just crap? I'm Patty Pimblett, a little Darren

1509
01:10:58,360 --> 01:10:58,960
Speaker 3: tell oh.

1510
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:01,719
Speaker 2: Man, Hey, Michael Godia mi owins media.

1511
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:04,040
Speaker 3: Then you know, I know I'm an adopted Welshman, but

1512
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:06,599
Speaker 3: I love some Scousers. Luke, what the hell went wrong

1513
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:07,280
Speaker 3: with Darren Till?

1514
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:09,040
Speaker 2: I think there's a few things that went wrong. The

1515
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:10,759
Speaker 2: first thing I'd say is we haven't You haven't mentioned

1516
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:12,680
Speaker 2: it yet, but it is worth mentioning, and it's not

1517
01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:14,800
Speaker 2: anything he can I'm not saying it's nothing he can

1518
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:16,519
Speaker 2: do about it. But it does seem like he's somewhat

1519
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:19,040
Speaker 2: at the mercy of circumstances beyond his control, which is

1520
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 2: he gets injured a lot. He's missed a lot of time,

1521
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:25,559
Speaker 2: if for no other reason than injury, that's gonna affect

1522
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:28,240
Speaker 2: your motivation, that's gonna affect your mental welfare, that's gonna

1523
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:31,360
Speaker 2: affect your ability to continuously get better. I mean, I

1524
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:35,160
Speaker 2: keep contrasting it. Compare the injury record and how much

1525
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:38,759
Speaker 2: it sidelined him in the last five years, compared to Izzy,

1526
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:42,920
Speaker 2: who has never gotten injured, and look at his development now.

1527
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 2: Of course, no fighter as perfect as he's coming off

1528
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 2: of a loss, but just to compare how much better

1529
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:50,799
Speaker 2: those guys got in that time, you can see major,

1530
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:55,280
Speaker 2: major differences and injury load and your your constant necessity

1531
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:57,200
Speaker 2: to deal with it, I think plays a very big role.

1532
01:11:57,240 --> 01:12:00,720
Speaker 2: It's the first thing i'd say. Secondly, i'd say that

1533
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:03,840
Speaker 2: the weight class bullying, which you know everyone was kind

1534
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:05,280
Speaker 2: of trying to go too low. I don't really like

1535
01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:07,799
Speaker 2: I don't think he was trying to sandbag or something

1536
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:10,360
Speaker 2: like that, but you know, he got into a bigger

1537
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:12,559
Speaker 2: weight class and he didn't immediately translate to it. I

1538
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:14,559
Speaker 2: think that's the second thing i'd say, And the third

1539
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:16,160
Speaker 2: thing I'd sort of say is that, like there was

1540
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 2: over promotion of him early. You know, did he train

1541
01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:21,240
Speaker 2: hard enough? Has he been partying? The guy's been arrested

1542
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:23,519
Speaker 2: in half the countries he's trained in, which, you know,

1543
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 2: I don't know how much that really impacts the training.

1544
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 2: I've not been there. I don't know if he's actually

1545
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:29,200
Speaker 2: put in the work. It makes me like the fact

1546
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 2: that he hasn't developed makes me wonder if he's actually

1547
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:32,920
Speaker 2: put in the work, to be honest with you, But

1548
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:35,120
Speaker 2: what I would say is that, like we talked about

1549
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 2: it on the the pregame preview with Chuck for this card,

1550
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 2: which was Dude, these these the UK boxing fans and

1551
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:44,519
Speaker 2: then the Irish MMA fans like that together, that's the

1552
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:48,719
Speaker 2: That's the That's the perfect group of combat sports fans

1553
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:51,800
Speaker 2: in the world. You just won't find better fans anywhere.

1554
01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:55,200
Speaker 2: But as a consequence, especially like it post, you know,

1555
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:58,599
Speaker 2: Michael Bisping era a little bit, they were looking for

1556
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:01,559
Speaker 2: like the next I had. I had guys who work

1557
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:04,920
Speaker 2: inside high level British MMA. I won't say where exactly

1558
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:06,360
Speaker 2: because it would give away who they are. But like

1559
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:09,400
Speaker 2: very important figures tell me like they like Darren Till

1560
01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 2: was kind of held up as the next guy to

1561
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:14,559
Speaker 2: air into Michael Bisping's seats because they wanted him to

1562
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 2: serve that role before he was ever really ready. So

1563
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:20,160
Speaker 2: this over promotion, this injury load. Has he been training

1564
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:22,960
Speaker 2: hard enough, switching a weight classes? It just it just

1565
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:25,639
Speaker 2: ended up backfiring. And how many times have I warned,

1566
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:28,559
Speaker 2: if you fuck up a guy's development, you cannot put

1567
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 2: Humpty dumpty back together again. Here is a case where

1568
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:34,599
Speaker 2: we might be at that point, BC, where like his

1569
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:37,840
Speaker 2: development did not go properly, and even though he's only

1570
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:39,800
Speaker 2: twenty nine, I don't know how you fix it at

1571
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:40,600
Speaker 2: this point.

1572
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:45,120
Speaker 3: So do you think they're considering cutting him? I mean,

1573
01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:47,160
Speaker 3: is he too big of a name to be cut

1574
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:50,080
Speaker 3: before his thirtieth birthday? Luke? What do you do? One

1575
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:52,040
Speaker 3: more chance, Biggie? Is that what we're getting here?

1576
01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:55,439
Speaker 2: Probably one? Probably one they might do. I know they're

1577
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:57,320
Speaker 2: going back to London in either first or second quarter.

1578
01:13:57,320 --> 01:13:59,320
Speaker 2: I forget which. I think first quarter they're going to

1579
01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:02,080
Speaker 2: go back to London. They might depending on his injury situation.

1580
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:04,240
Speaker 2: They might try and put him back on there. You know,

1581
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:07,000
Speaker 2: he listened, he's well liked and he's got some abilities.

1582
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:08,559
Speaker 2: But dude, even here's the other part too. We see,

1583
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:11,080
Speaker 2: like we're talking about it. I found his takedown defense

1584
01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:14,719
Speaker 2: like bafflingly not that great. And even in the striking

1585
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 2: department he had a good second round. He had a

1586
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:19,040
Speaker 2: good second round. But dude, like we talk about it

1587
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:22,519
Speaker 2: all the time, a good fighter takes advantage of mistakes.

1588
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:26,240
Speaker 2: A great fighter forces his opponent to make them. I

1589
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:29,920
Speaker 2: just didn't see him forcing interesting openings in the stand

1590
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:32,679
Speaker 2: up to really lord it over him. He was landing,

1591
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:35,639
Speaker 2: he was doing good, but he wasn't doing great either,

1592
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:39,400
Speaker 2: Like even that wasn't all all that awesome? Or do

1593
01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:40,679
Speaker 2: you share a different opinion?

1594
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:44,599
Speaker 3: No, I completely agree. I mean everything, you know, everything

1595
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:48,080
Speaker 3: outside of the toughness that he showed was was rough.

1596
01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:49,720
Speaker 3: But on the flip side, Luke, I don't want this

1597
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 3: to drown out before we transition what Dracus Duplessy did,

1598
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:56,879
Speaker 3: which was score another big middleweight win as he continues

1599
01:14:56,920 --> 01:14:59,640
Speaker 3: to climb the ladder. So twenty eight years old, you

1600
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:02,240
Speaker 3: look at this current run right now, four and oh

1601
01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:05,880
Speaker 3: in the UFC three finishes. Now the escalation from Brad

1602
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:09,000
Speaker 3: Tavares to Darren Till Is he coming on in the

1603
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:10,760
Speaker 3: larger title picture at the moment.

1604
01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:17,559
Speaker 2: Look, Dricks, I think so, yeah, I do. I do

1605
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:20,360
Speaker 2: see him getting better. To your point, he still does

1606
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:23,200
Speaker 2: these blitzes where he's gin high in the air, you know,

1607
01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:27,600
Speaker 2: and and there's other parts that are not all at

1608
01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:31,120
Speaker 2: like technical, but he does have a lot of really

1609
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:34,679
Speaker 2: good parts of his game. He's quite physical. He puts

1610
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:38,120
Speaker 2: a ton of pressure in his opponent, right, He's tough

1611
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:42,080
Speaker 2: and like he fights with a certain kind of real, pointed,

1612
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:43,600
Speaker 2: consistent intensity.

1613
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1614
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:46,439
Speaker 2: Like I I you know, I think he's gonna win

1615
01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:51,599
Speaker 2: a title. Probably not, but he's he's a high level, ranked,

1616
01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 2: deserving winner and it should be worthy of our respect

1617
01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:55,679
Speaker 2: as well.

1618
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:58,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, got that McDonald's WiFi, Luke. But I'm back. I'm

1619
01:15:58,360 --> 01:15:59,680
Speaker 3: back at it. Okay, I agree with you.

1620
01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:02,320
Speaker 2: Whatever he said that we were supposed to get to Taporia.

1621
01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:04,120
Speaker 2: But b C, we haven't even talked about Belletore. I'm

1622
01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:06,400
Speaker 2: gonna punt him to extra credit if that's okay, unless

1623
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 2: you have any strong statement you want to make about Ilia.

1624
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:13,439
Speaker 3: He's a fucking hammer, dude, Okay, the people though quickly.

1625
01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:15,639
Speaker 3: The people want you to say that Toporio should fight

1626
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:17,439
Speaker 3: Patty next. They want you to say that, you know

1627
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:18,160
Speaker 3: that dude.

1628
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:20,040
Speaker 2: To Poria would do evil things?

1629
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:22,400
Speaker 3: Okay, they want they wanted you to say that. Okay,

1630
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:24,759
Speaker 3: there you go. Yeah, I love me so Amelia Toporia.

1631
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:28,320
Speaker 3: He's fucking insane. Yeah, yeah, thank you. Let me add him.

1632
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 2: Bryce Mitchell did not like lay down for him. Toporia

1633
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:35,439
Speaker 2: just beat beat him up and took his will from him.

1634
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:39,040
Speaker 3: I mean that is is this hashtag holy hammer Butteria?

1635
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:41,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. We had we have a guy on staff,

1636
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:44,759
Speaker 2: Brendan Lynch, who uh you know, sends us the list

1637
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:47,519
Speaker 2: of like potential hammers. Yo, you didn't put fucking Taporia

1638
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:49,840
Speaker 2: on that list, bro, that was the number one guy

1639
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:51,840
Speaker 2: you should have put on there. He is a fucking

1640
01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:53,960
Speaker 2: animal and animal you're talking abot.

1641
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:55,599
Speaker 3: You're talking about domsto Gordon Ryan.

1642
01:16:57,360 --> 01:16:59,320
Speaker 2: Who, by the way, did you see they had him

1643
01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:00,960
Speaker 2: talk to the m M A media like doing a

1644
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:04,240
Speaker 2: presser sit down through the UFC. They had him sitting

1645
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:06,679
Speaker 2: cage side. They promoted him on fight Pass like dude.

1646
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 2: UFC is kind of blowing up Gordon Ryan's profile a

1647
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:10,439
Speaker 2: little bit I think they.

1648
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:12,800
Speaker 3: See not only the dominance in in in that in

1649
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:14,639
Speaker 3: the grappling game, but look, he's got like a pro

1650
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:17,559
Speaker 3: wrestler personality. I mean he's like, yeah, he's you know,

1651
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:19,040
Speaker 3: and he was out there.

1652
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:24,760
Speaker 2: Exploded in popularity and uh it's changing the game a

1653
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:27,360
Speaker 2: little bit, like the like the literal jiu jitsu game,

1654
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:30,320
Speaker 2: and you know he's a big part of that. All right,

1655
01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 2: let's make it.

1656
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:33,840
Speaker 3: Out to Malca West in La Luke. We should put

1657
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 3: some matts down in the studio there and have uh,

1658
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:39,600
Speaker 3: you know, Brendan put put me in uh in submissions

1659
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 3: as you uh you know, as you give a tutorial

1660
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:42,439
Speaker 3: for the fans.

1661
01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:45,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and what I'll do is I'll be like, I'll

1662
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 2: be like Paul Horrace and I'll be like, just keep cranking,

1663
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:50,679
Speaker 2: just keep just keep cranking. All right, Let's talk about Beltore,

1664
01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:52,960
Speaker 2: because they had a highly interesting card on Friday and

1665
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:55,559
Speaker 2: ib you missed it in real time. It was pretty good,

1666
01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:57,639
Speaker 2: although the main event was weird as ship. Let's talk

1667
01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:01,840
Speaker 2: about the main event. Ralphie on stats edges Danny sabatelo

1668
01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:05,960
Speaker 2: now again because it's the same guy in Douglas Crosby

1669
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:09,360
Speaker 2: who we're talking about here he turns in a fucking

1670
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:16,160
Speaker 2: hilarious scorecard like just incomprehensible, fifty forty five to Danny Sabatelo.

1671
01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:17,800
Speaker 2: And then on the other side Stotts getting done. I

1672
01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:19,880
Speaker 2: think forty eight forty seven in both of those. So

1673
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:22,280
Speaker 2: either way, Stotts retains the interim title. He gets the

1674
01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:24,960
Speaker 2: job done. First, talk to me about the fight a

1675
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:26,800
Speaker 2: little bit, what did you learn about both guys, and

1676
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:28,000
Speaker 2: then let's talk about the scoring.

1677
01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:30,120
Speaker 3: Well, look, first and foremost, not a great fight, not

1678
01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:33,479
Speaker 3: overly exciting. We knew that had the potential if they're

1679
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 3: wrestling kind of cancel each other out and if you know,

1680
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:38,760
Speaker 3: if it if it didn't turn into a war, and look,

1681
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:41,080
Speaker 3: the trash talk coming in led you to the hope

1682
01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:43,120
Speaker 3: that it could. But at the end of the day,

1683
01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:45,160
Speaker 3: I thought the right guy won in Stotts. I just

1684
01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:47,920
Speaker 3: don't understand, as anyone else did, how Doug Crosby can

1685
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:52,120
Speaker 3: go five to zero when if anybody landed any form

1686
01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:55,680
Speaker 3: of damage or somewhat consistent clean strikes. Dude, it was

1687
01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:57,280
Speaker 3: rafee on stats, and I think the fact that he

1688
01:18:57,360 --> 01:19:00,360
Speaker 3: was able to elbow Sabatlo late and cut him open

1689
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:02,880
Speaker 3: was the clincher to me and giving him this fight

1690
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:06,920
Speaker 3: three rounds to two. I think ultimately, when both fighters

1691
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:12,639
Speaker 3: allow a fight this important to be this close without

1692
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 3: much separation, both have the potential to lose based on

1693
01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:18,600
Speaker 3: the judgment right here right, So both were sort of

1694
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:22,439
Speaker 3: in that. But I mean big John Wood nailed it

1695
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:25,800
Speaker 3: throughout the fight in the post fight interview as good

1696
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:29,880
Speaker 3: as Dandy Sabatelo is in spots at gaining control. He

1697
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:32,599
Speaker 3: was full mind at one point. I mean, look, not

1698
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:35,519
Speaker 3: only did he not have any impact or damage, there

1699
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:40,160
Speaker 3: wasn't the intention of going for a submission, of looking

1700
01:19:40,479 --> 01:19:43,160
Speaker 3: to even give the illusion to the judges that he's

1701
01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:45,840
Speaker 3: piling on hammer fizz or trying to get some lead

1702
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:48,679
Speaker 3: elbows out there to create some damage. It was essentially

1703
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:51,400
Speaker 3: an amateur wrestling match. And in that regard, you know,

1704
01:19:51,479 --> 01:19:53,400
Speaker 3: Danny Sabatelo was his own enemy at the end of

1705
01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 3: the day, meaning yeah, he can exit this as he

1706
01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:58,400
Speaker 3: did and walk off after he heard the decision and go, hey,

1707
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:00,320
Speaker 3: they screwed me. I thought I won, I knew I won,

1708
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:03,080
Speaker 3: and you know, to some degree, save face and I'm

1709
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:06,440
Speaker 3: not a Sabatello. Hey, Luke, I love that man's personality

1710
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:08,680
Speaker 3: in this game, right, I mean a little bit of

1711
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:12,040
Speaker 3: a shit show operator, but he plays that role well

1712
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:14,439
Speaker 3: with the eighties wrestling look. But no, he did not

1713
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:16,320
Speaker 3: have a claim to have won this fight. In fact, Luke,

1714
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:18,799
Speaker 3: to be honest with you, I was disappointing that, even

1715
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 3: in the advantageous positions, he did nothing, in my eyes,

1716
01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:26,479
Speaker 3: to separate himself enough from Stotts through the intention of

1717
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:29,879
Speaker 3: landing damage where he would even have a case despite

1718
01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:32,879
Speaker 3: this being a close ass fight three to two Statts.

1719
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:35,479
Speaker 3: In my book, you do have to put a wall

1720
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:38,000
Speaker 3: there between them and say one man tried to win

1721
01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:41,519
Speaker 3: this fight, one man tried to constantly gain control. What

1722
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:42,920
Speaker 3: else are you gonna say about this? You know what

1723
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:44,479
Speaker 3: I mean? The best thing I can say about this

1724
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:47,360
Speaker 3: is watching Raffee on stats and Patchie mix in the

1725
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:50,240
Speaker 3: face off afterwards to promote the final got me all

1726
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:52,439
Speaker 3: kinds of excited, and I think it should for all fans,

1727
01:20:52,439 --> 01:20:54,960
Speaker 3: because that's a fun ass style matchup that I can't

1728
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:59,479
Speaker 3: wait to see. But Sabotello was the one who dropped

1729
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:01,720
Speaker 3: the ball in this big opportunity here, Luke to back

1730
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:03,920
Speaker 3: up all that trash talk and go out there and

1731
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:07,840
Speaker 3: leave no doubt. How do you explain, like we're criticizing

1732
01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:10,360
Speaker 3: Paddy for afterwards going you know, I thought you have

1733
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:12,760
Speaker 3: like leaning on the fact that in his mind he

1734
01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:16,559
Speaker 3: had done enough. Dude, you know this game, you've never

1735
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:18,240
Speaker 3: done enough, right, you know what I mean, You've never

1736
01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:19,800
Speaker 3: done enough until you stop doing it.

1737
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:21,519
Speaker 2: In just a second. I don't know if it was wrong.

1738
01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:25,360
Speaker 2: It could just be me. Can someone like on the

1739
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:28,679
Speaker 2: stat of Brian's frozen? All right, well then if Brian's frozen,

1740
01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:30,960
Speaker 2: let me just take over here I'm frozen. Okay, here

1741
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:33,320
Speaker 2: we go. Now you're back. Now you're back.

1742
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:37,639
Speaker 3: Back. Look what the hell was wrong with Sabotelo? How

1743
01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:40,640
Speaker 3: do you get that position and not try to advance it?

1744
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:43,840
Speaker 3: How do you exit the cage thinking you've won when

1745
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:45,960
Speaker 3: I don't even remember a clean strike outside of that

1746
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:48,800
Speaker 3: nice front kick he landed that stots just that just

1747
01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:49,360
Speaker 3: shook off.

1748
01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:50,800
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a couple of you know, he had

1749
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:54,160
Speaker 2: some decent punches here or there. But to your point, like, man,

1750
01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:57,160
Speaker 2: this was the funny part about this whole thing, BCEE.

1751
01:21:57,240 --> 01:21:59,200
Speaker 2: You've heard me say this a million times at the criteria.

1752
01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:00,479
Speaker 2: One of the issues I have with it is like

1753
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:04,320
Speaker 2: they're trying to solve for a situation where if someone

1754
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:06,240
Speaker 2: is using a lot of control positions and not much

1755
01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:09,680
Speaker 2: ground and pound or submission threats or positional advancement, that

1756
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 2: you know, they don't want that to be overly emphasized.

1757
01:22:13,439 --> 01:22:16,360
Speaker 2: And so the scoring criteria has been changed so that

1758
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:18,400
Speaker 2: you can't just hold a guy and then and then win.

1759
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:20,160
Speaker 2: And I've said that like, I don't mind it in

1760
01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:22,519
Speaker 2: those like very specific instances, but I think they've gone

1761
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:26,000
Speaker 2: too far. However, here is a very clear case where

1762
01:22:26,040 --> 01:22:30,920
Speaker 2: that logic works. This is that case where dude Danny

1763
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:34,839
Speaker 2: Sebtello is a great athlete, He's a great self promoter.

1764
01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:37,200
Speaker 2: He's done more to promote belt or fight than anyone

1765
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:39,720
Speaker 2: I can remember the rest of the year. Truly. I

1766
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:41,519
Speaker 2: mean that he and Ralphiel and Stotts did more to

1767
01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:44,639
Speaker 2: promote a Beltaar fight than any other particular BELTI fighter

1768
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:46,880
Speaker 2: I can think of period. Right, Think about that for

1769
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:48,880
Speaker 2: just a second. Those guys really work their ass off

1770
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:52,360
Speaker 2: to promote this fight. And he's a phenomenal wrestler. Like dude,

1771
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:55,280
Speaker 2: he is just an absolute handful when it comes to that.

1772
01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:59,519
Speaker 2: But you have to throw some punches. You have to

1773
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:02,639
Speaker 2: look for a choke. And I saw people say, well,

1774
01:23:02,720 --> 01:23:06,439
Speaker 2: isn't this what Colby does? No, this is not what

1775
01:23:06,520 --> 01:23:10,760
Speaker 2: Colby does at all. You are very mistaken. Go and

1776
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:13,639
Speaker 2: watch the Robbie Lawler fight, and what you notice from

1777
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:16,760
Speaker 2: Colby there is he will wrap the throat a little bit.

1778
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:19,000
Speaker 2: Now how close is it, I don't know, but it's

1779
01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:21,599
Speaker 2: enough for Lawler has to bring up both his hands

1780
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:25,080
Speaker 2: to fight it. And he will pitter patter with shots

1781
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:28,120
Speaker 2: constantly from different positions, especially when if he's got one

1782
01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:31,120
Speaker 2: hand held with the risk control on same side wrist

1783
01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:33,000
Speaker 2: and he has like one leg on the leg ride,

1784
01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:35,840
Speaker 2: he will throw punches at that point. He will do that.

1785
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:37,719
Speaker 2: And there have been times, of course where he hasn't

1786
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:39,400
Speaker 2: done enough of that and it may have cost him.

1787
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:42,080
Speaker 2: But the idea that like Colby's fighting looks just like

1788
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:45,160
Speaker 2: Danny Sabotello's is just flatly in this fight anyway, is

1789
01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:48,640
Speaker 2: just flatly not true. My guy, like he here's the

1790
01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:53,080
Speaker 2: funny part, b See, would you agree with this? If

1791
01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:56,360
Speaker 2: Danny had put in a I'm not even gonna say

1792
01:23:56,360 --> 01:23:59,800
Speaker 2: a lot, a modest amount of ground and pound through

1793
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:02,759
Speaker 2: these of those five rounds, he would have won fifteen,

1794
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 2: would have won five.

1795
01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:06,439
Speaker 3: He would have won three rounds to two for Stotts.

1796
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:08,200
Speaker 3: But like I said, because of the lack of intention,

1797
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:10,559
Speaker 3: even with that close scorecard, I don't think there's an

1798
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:14,080
Speaker 3: argument for Danny. But had he put more intention, even

1799
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:15,880
Speaker 3: like your point, like Kolby, even if it's just to

1800
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:18,280
Speaker 3: get the hands to move or to give the illusion,

1801
01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:21,000
Speaker 3: even if it's just hammer fists, Luke, even if it's

1802
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:22,920
Speaker 3: just a lot of this, I mean to be awkward, right,

1803
01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:25,479
Speaker 3: we'd be questioning whether children should be watching. It's a

1804
01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:27,760
Speaker 3: little bit obscene. But at least he would get the

1805
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:30,120
Speaker 3: scores in his direction and he'd be one step close

1806
01:24:30,160 --> 01:24:33,000
Speaker 3: to a million dollars. It's almost as if I'm disappointed

1807
01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:36,679
Speaker 3: because of the great promotion he put to get himself

1808
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:38,840
Speaker 3: to this spot and the fact he's able to one

1809
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:41,559
Speaker 3: side and dominate these fights, even if some people thought

1810
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:43,519
Speaker 3: along the way, if some of them were boring. But

1811
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:46,200
Speaker 3: it's like Luke Stotts did what he had to do

1812
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:48,599
Speaker 3: in this case. You know you can argue at Asanja

1813
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:51,439
Speaker 3: did that with Romero when it was a weird fight,

1814
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:53,479
Speaker 3: and you know he did just enough what he had

1815
01:24:53,479 --> 01:24:56,280
Speaker 3: to do. I think Stotts handled it well with what

1816
01:24:56,360 --> 01:24:58,400
Speaker 3: he was dealt. But look at the stats four for

1817
01:24:58,520 --> 01:25:02,360
Speaker 3: fourteen and takedowns overall, Sabatello, none of those four led

1818
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:06,839
Speaker 3: to long stretch of clean striking or dominance or really anything.

1819
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:09,240
Speaker 3: It was just a position battle. But on the feat

1820
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:12,639
Speaker 3: Stotts was busier, he had better intention, He landed cleaner blows.

1821
01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:15,760
Speaker 3: The right guy survives in advances. I guess here, Luke,

1822
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:17,599
Speaker 3: but I do think that for both of these guys

1823
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:21,280
Speaker 3: a bit of a disappointment after how much they talked

1824
01:25:21,320 --> 01:25:22,080
Speaker 3: us into the building.

1825
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:26,040
Speaker 2: Okay, so that leads us now, I think to the

1826
01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:31,599
Speaker 2: second part of this conversation around Belator, which is PATCHI

1827
01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:36,760
Speaker 2: mix Pachi mix, put Magamed Maga madoff to sleep with

1828
01:25:36,840 --> 01:25:39,679
Speaker 2: a guillotine choke and BC. I gotta tell you, I

1829
01:25:39,800 --> 01:25:43,120
Speaker 2: was kind of surprised by this because we all knew

1830
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:45,880
Speaker 2: he could backpack someone like there was no tomorrow beat

1831
01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:49,040
Speaker 2: Horgucci that way. But dude, his boxing looked pretty good

1832
01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:52,639
Speaker 2: and his anti wrestling by virtue of submissions look great.

1833
01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:54,519
Speaker 2: Like he had that hook sweep to the guillotine to

1834
01:25:54,560 --> 01:25:56,360
Speaker 2: get on top. Right here, You're gonna see it. Watch,

1835
01:25:56,360 --> 01:25:59,200
Speaker 2: he's gonna hook, sweep his way over onto the guillotine

1836
01:25:59,439 --> 01:26:02,920
Speaker 2: right there, Boom comes right on top, right, So he

1837
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:04,719
Speaker 2: was like using he didn't have to like use traditional

1838
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:07,559
Speaker 2: defensive wrestling to get a dominant position and then getting

1839
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:11,080
Speaker 2: the submission. Dude, he finished Mega made Mega, made off

1840
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:14,479
Speaker 2: and backpacked and defeated a Kyoji Horror Gucci on the

1841
01:26:14,479 --> 01:26:18,040
Speaker 2: way to the finals. True or false, He's had the

1842
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:20,559
Speaker 2: best run in this tournament of anyone.

1843
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:24,600
Speaker 3: True. And you know I have to take my l

1844
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:27,880
Speaker 3: and almost say like I missed it up to this point.

1845
01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:31,080
Speaker 3: Now here's why I kind of missed it. The Horror

1846
01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:34,799
Speaker 3: Gucci win was so surprising to me, with Horror Gucci

1847
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:38,679
Speaker 3: coming off that sort of miraculous um not miraculous loss,

1848
01:26:38,720 --> 01:26:40,960
Speaker 3: excuse me, and which he was dominating the champion, Sergio

1849
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:43,599
Speaker 3: Pettis gets knocked out they announced the tournament. I think

1850
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:45,679
Speaker 3: a lot of us rightfully, so we're like, look, even

1851
01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:48,400
Speaker 3: with that ko loss, Hory Gucci is the favorite here.

1852
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:50,599
Speaker 3: He might be the class of this deep division under

1853
01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:54,000
Speaker 3: Belatoor and the way that PATCHI mix put him away. Look,

1854
01:26:54,040 --> 01:26:57,639
Speaker 3: I almost felt as if like something went wrong, Horror

1855
01:26:57,680 --> 01:27:00,840
Speaker 3: Gucci made a mistake. But let's give Josh Thompson credit

1856
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:02,280
Speaker 3: where credit is due, and we had him on the

1857
01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:04,680
Speaker 3: show last week. The punk. Not only did he not

1858
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:09,160
Speaker 3: escalate our podcast war to another level, he was very gentlemanly.

1859
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:12,400
Speaker 3: You know. He came out right outright and said, look,

1860
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:14,920
Speaker 3: we can talk about Sabatello and stats and I'm really excited,

1861
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:18,439
Speaker 3: but Patchie Mixus is the guy right now. He's the

1862
01:27:18,439 --> 01:27:20,120
Speaker 3: guy that should be the favorite as we enter this

1863
01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:22,800
Speaker 3: final four to win the tournament. All he did against

1864
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:27,000
Speaker 3: Maga Betoff was completely double down on that where it's like, damn,

1865
01:27:27,080 --> 01:27:28,960
Speaker 3: I kind of missed this along the way. The fact

1866
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:31,280
Speaker 3: that Patchi mix who once fought for a title before

1867
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:34,960
Speaker 3: losing the vacant opportunity against Wan Archiletta, now is able

1868
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:37,080
Speaker 3: to look back, and he said so in the postfight interview,

1869
01:27:37,080 --> 01:27:39,679
Speaker 3: like he just wasn't ready then, he wasn't the same fighter.

1870
01:27:40,120 --> 01:27:42,360
Speaker 3: He went back to the drawing board, Luke, and what

1871
01:27:42,439 --> 01:27:45,400
Speaker 3: he has put together is all of his skills coming

1872
01:27:45,439 --> 01:27:48,040
Speaker 3: together at the right moment. He has gone from possible

1873
01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:51,200
Speaker 3: dark horse to the favorite. And I don't know what

1874
01:27:51,240 --> 01:27:53,000
Speaker 3: the odds are gonna look like for this final, but

1875
01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:56,479
Speaker 3: given that run he has been on, damn dude, he's

1876
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:59,040
Speaker 3: coming on at just the right time. He's gonna have

1877
01:27:59,240 --> 01:28:03,240
Speaker 3: a sizeed advantage over Stats, the confidences next level. I

1878
01:28:03,240 --> 01:28:04,840
Speaker 3: didn't grab it for have you seen this shit? Because

1879
01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:06,719
Speaker 3: I didn't see until after the fact. I wish I did.

1880
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:09,680
Speaker 3: But that promo he cut afterwards on the microphone in

1881
01:28:09,680 --> 01:28:13,040
Speaker 3: the Big John interview, which was like not a Sabotello

1882
01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:15,360
Speaker 3: like one, not one where he's trying to get the clicks.

1883
01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:17,920
Speaker 3: He's just like, look, I'm gonna fucking win this championship,

1884
01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:19,720
Speaker 3: and I don't go through anyone to get there. It

1885
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:22,920
Speaker 3: was just hungry. It was real, Luke. He is peaking

1886
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:26,320
Speaker 3: at the exact right time. And look, you know, could

1887
01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:29,200
Speaker 3: we say that Magomed Maga Medov at one point a

1888
01:28:29,240 --> 01:28:31,320
Speaker 3: couple of fights ago, look to be more than he

1889
01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:34,759
Speaker 3: might be. Now that was a somewhat humbling loss to Stats,

1890
01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:37,720
Speaker 3: although he bounced back against Barzola, but you know this

1891
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:41,320
Speaker 3: was pretty clean and clear. He was not only dominated, dude,

1892
01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:43,679
Speaker 3: he was put to sleep. And you know nobody does

1893
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:46,320
Speaker 3: that Tomago mad maga Metov, who owns a win over

1894
01:28:46,360 --> 01:28:50,080
Speaker 3: pyotr Yan before the UFC. Huge wake up call for

1895
01:28:50,160 --> 01:28:52,360
Speaker 3: me to realize exactly who he is and Luke, just

1896
01:28:52,439 --> 01:28:54,679
Speaker 3: like that time at High Rollers when he was warming

1897
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:56,720
Speaker 3: up for the main event. Remember I came up to him,

1898
01:28:56,800 --> 01:28:59,559
Speaker 3: gimmick him hand and said, man, beat that guy's motherfucking ass.

1899
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:01,160
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. And he gave me that

1900
01:29:01,240 --> 01:29:04,280
Speaker 3: really weird look. Luke. You know I was wrong then

1901
01:29:04,360 --> 01:29:07,000
Speaker 3: to break his uh, his focus, and you know I

1902
01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:09,519
Speaker 3: was wrong now to not see that this giant storm

1903
01:29:09,640 --> 01:29:11,640
Speaker 3: was coming. Dude. I'm proud of him. I'm happy to

1904
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:14,439
Speaker 3: see this. He should be the favorite going in here

1905
01:29:14,479 --> 01:29:16,800
Speaker 3: for this million dollars against Raffee on Statts and he

1906
01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:19,000
Speaker 3: has come alive and come full blowing. And was that

1907
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:22,639
Speaker 3: Tatiana Suarez next to him Kate side Luke on Friday Night?

1908
01:29:23,400 --> 01:29:25,160
Speaker 2: All right, I think BC dropped. If they want to

1909
01:29:25,160 --> 01:29:27,759
Speaker 2: put the camera on me, uh, I don't know. You see.

1910
01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:31,120
Speaker 3: Work? Can we here?

1911
01:29:31,439 --> 01:29:31,519
Speaker 5: No?

1912
01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:35,439
Speaker 2: All right? Yeah, I share all of BC's sentiment about this.

1913
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:37,280
Speaker 2: I will tell you that in watching that fire, because

1914
01:29:37,320 --> 01:29:39,320
Speaker 2: I didn't do a postfight reaction show for belt Or,

1915
01:29:39,439 --> 01:29:41,960
Speaker 2: although I was on CBS Sports HQ, no two key

1916
01:29:42,040 --> 01:29:46,960
Speaker 2: this time, no two key this time? Uh, dude, PATCHI

1917
01:29:47,080 --> 01:29:52,480
Speaker 2: mix looked big like he looks physically huge for Bansamwaight,

1918
01:29:52,479 --> 01:29:53,920
Speaker 2: which we kind of knew, but you got to see

1919
01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:56,400
Speaker 2: more evidence of it. And again, if it was just

1920
01:29:56,760 --> 01:30:00,240
Speaker 2: backpacking skill, it'd be one thing. But to I know,

1921
01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:03,759
Speaker 2: he's got the backpacking skill with the front headlock series,

1922
01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:07,639
Speaker 2: with the guillotines, with the hook, sweeps with the jab

1923
01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:10,760
Speaker 2: and if his cardio is there and he's training with

1924
01:30:11,080 --> 01:30:13,120
Speaker 2: se do you see this? His girlfriend is Tatiana Suarez.

1925
01:30:13,120 --> 01:30:15,400
Speaker 2: I didn't see that before. And he's like really focused

1926
01:30:15,439 --> 01:30:18,800
Speaker 2: now and all he's all he's doing is training. Like man,

1927
01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:21,240
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, I thought PATCHI Mix had, like,

1928
01:30:21,479 --> 01:30:23,799
Speaker 2: you know, a decent chance to do well in this tournament.

1929
01:30:24,479 --> 01:30:26,479
Speaker 2: He might be the favorite. He might fucking be the

1930
01:30:26,479 --> 01:30:27,320
Speaker 2: favorite at this point.

1931
01:30:28,479 --> 01:30:30,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're damn right. And that was the question i'd

1932
01:30:30,360 --> 01:30:33,320
Speaker 3: asked you before my McDonald's Wi FI hit Again, is

1933
01:30:33,320 --> 01:30:35,920
Speaker 3: is he dating Tatillo Squires because that's a nice support

1934
01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:36,920
Speaker 3: team he's got behind him.

1935
01:30:37,080 --> 01:30:39,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, dude, that's a hell of a combo there,

1936
01:30:39,400 --> 01:30:41,560
Speaker 2: Patchi Mix Again, he was always really good grappler. We

1937
01:30:41,560 --> 01:30:43,760
Speaker 2: saw him at high Rollers that one time. We were

1938
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:46,160
Speaker 2: both high as balls, but you know, allegedly, but we

1939
01:30:46,200 --> 01:30:48,000
Speaker 2: saw him there. He was really friendly, but he was big.

1940
01:30:48,040 --> 01:30:51,040
Speaker 2: He was fucking huge, and I just couldn't believe. You know,

1941
01:30:51,240 --> 01:30:54,439
Speaker 2: he's I'll say this man, the polish he's putting on

1942
01:30:54,520 --> 01:30:59,080
Speaker 2: his game is noteworthy. He's really turning into something special.

1943
01:30:59,160 --> 01:31:00,120
Speaker 2: He was already very.

1944
01:31:00,240 --> 01:31:01,760
Speaker 3: And I'm happy to see it. So, Luke, he's twenty

1945
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:05,000
Speaker 3: nine years old, he's seventeen in one overall. I reference

1946
01:31:05,080 --> 01:31:07,559
Speaker 3: that decision loss for the title two and a half

1947
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:09,880
Speaker 3: years ago to Archiletta. But look at this, He's on

1948
01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:10,880
Speaker 3: a four fight win streak.

1949
01:31:10,920 --> 01:31:11,639
Speaker 2: But this this.

1950
01:31:11,680 --> 01:31:15,920
Speaker 3: Three straight wins, submits James Gallaher gets a decision over

1951
01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:19,280
Speaker 3: Horror Gucci after dominating him, and now puts Mago med

1952
01:31:19,320 --> 01:31:22,800
Speaker 3: Maga met off to sleep. Like, if he starts head kicking, dudes,

1953
01:31:22,840 --> 01:31:25,120
Speaker 3: he's gonna be a complete fighter and gonna be in

1954
01:31:25,560 --> 01:31:28,000
Speaker 3: you know, conversation for you know, one of the best

1955
01:31:28,040 --> 01:31:30,960
Speaker 3: in the world. But while his striking has not fully

1956
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:33,640
Speaker 3: come around you alluded to it. It's functional, dude, and

1957
01:31:33,680 --> 01:31:36,000
Speaker 3: it sets up what he does best, which is take

1958
01:31:36,040 --> 01:31:39,280
Speaker 3: the fight into the areas in which his strengths just

1959
01:31:39,320 --> 01:31:41,640
Speaker 3: cannot be stopped. Right now, dude, I can't wait to

1960
01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:44,439
Speaker 3: see what this final looks like against Raffe on stats

1961
01:31:44,479 --> 01:31:47,400
Speaker 3: and whether Statts can use the combination of the striking

1962
01:31:47,400 --> 01:31:51,320
Speaker 3: in his wrestling to keep Patchi Mix at bay. But

1963
01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:54,000
Speaker 3: right now, Luke Patchi Mix looks like he's won one

1964
01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:55,960
Speaker 3: step away from one million bucks. You know, I mean

1965
01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:58,559
Speaker 3: he actually is, but he looks like he is red hot,

1966
01:31:58,600 --> 01:32:00,639
Speaker 3: ready to go. And you know, you love in any

1967
01:32:00,720 --> 01:32:03,240
Speaker 3: tournament when someone sort of just comes out of the

1968
01:32:03,240 --> 01:32:06,000
Speaker 3: weeds and makes that run and gets that momentum. It's

1969
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:09,080
Speaker 3: like I'll always remember andre Ward in the Showtime Super six.

1970
01:32:09,320 --> 01:32:12,800
Speaker 3: You'll remember Daniel Cormier jumping into that Strikeforce World Grand Prix.

1971
01:32:12,840 --> 01:32:15,920
Speaker 3: It just happens. It's his time right now, and I'm

1972
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:18,000
Speaker 3: very happy to see it from a guy who I

1973
01:32:18,120 --> 01:32:20,680
Speaker 3: don't think we've given enough love. Maybe it's just like

1974
01:32:21,120 --> 01:32:23,679
Speaker 3: you remember that first time he was in the major spotlight,

1975
01:32:23,720 --> 01:32:26,400
Speaker 3: like it was against Arceletta. It didn't go right, but

1976
01:32:26,439 --> 01:32:28,880
Speaker 3: it's about what you do after that. He's seemingly done

1977
01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:30,519
Speaker 3: everything right to get back to this point, so I'm

1978
01:32:30,520 --> 01:32:31,120
Speaker 3: happy to see that.

1979
01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:33,600
Speaker 2: I just love seeing guys who are talented and you

1980
01:32:33,640 --> 01:32:36,160
Speaker 2: know you can see a potential for it, but then

1981
01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:39,760
Speaker 2: making their lifestyle work in such a way that they

1982
01:32:39,760 --> 01:32:42,439
Speaker 2: can get the most out of themselves, surrounding themselves with

1983
01:32:42,439 --> 01:32:45,000
Speaker 2: the right talent, putting in the right amount of work. Obviously,

1984
01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:47,760
Speaker 2: he's already got natural aptitude by the way Shasta Jake

1985
01:32:47,800 --> 01:32:49,760
Speaker 2: Shields one of his great coaches, but now it looks

1986
01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:53,120
Speaker 2: like he's got a bigger, larger support system in place

1987
01:32:53,439 --> 01:32:57,320
Speaker 2: that's all built around his success. Man, I was impressed

1988
01:32:57,640 --> 01:33:00,680
Speaker 2: the two GUYSBC for me talk about this when we

1989
01:33:00,720 --> 01:33:02,400
Speaker 2: do the Money Lion read. But the two guys who

1990
01:33:02,439 --> 01:33:05,120
Speaker 2: stood out to me this weekend were Pachi Mix and

1991
01:33:05,160 --> 01:33:07,840
Speaker 2: Ilia Taporia, two guys who absolutely took the game by

1992
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:10,120
Speaker 2: the scruff of the neck and let everybody know what

1993
01:33:10,280 --> 01:33:14,000
Speaker 2: time it was. Pachi Mix had himself a weekend making

1994
01:33:14,920 --> 01:33:15,320
Speaker 2: about it.

1995
01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:18,840
Speaker 3: Both of those fights were early in the main card

1996
01:33:18,920 --> 01:33:21,920
Speaker 3: of a show. The idea of the Money Lion Hammer

1997
01:33:21,960 --> 01:33:24,639
Speaker 3: the month was sort of to look at people coming up,

1998
01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:27,080
Speaker 3: maybe on the undercard, but sometimes Luke, it might be

1999
01:33:27,160 --> 01:33:29,320
Speaker 3: early main card, but they're still coming on because they're

2000
01:33:29,400 --> 01:33:32,160
Speaker 3: changing your opinion of what you thought of them with

2001
01:33:32,280 --> 01:33:35,160
Speaker 3: breakthrough performances. So yeah, I think both are hammer worthy here,

2002
01:33:35,200 --> 01:33:36,680
Speaker 3: no doubt about it all.

2003
01:33:36,760 --> 01:33:38,200
Speaker 2: Right and then last, but not at least from this

2004
01:33:38,240 --> 01:33:42,759
Speaker 2: Bellator card. BC, Liz carmuch, I mean making short work

2005
01:33:42,800 --> 01:33:47,719
Speaker 2: of Juliana Velasquez, no doubt about it this time, whatsoever, BC,

2006
01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:51,040
Speaker 2: biggest takeaway from the fight for you is.

2007
01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:57,679
Speaker 3: What that she has responded well to criticisms of parts

2008
01:33:57,720 --> 01:34:00,400
Speaker 3: of her game of late and learned every think she

2009
01:34:00,520 --> 01:34:03,040
Speaker 3: should have from that first fight. Meaning no, none of

2010
01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:05,400
Speaker 3: us thought she should have won the title in that

2011
01:34:05,439 --> 01:34:08,400
Speaker 3: way with the quickest stoppage from Mike Beltram when she

2012
01:34:08,400 --> 01:34:11,240
Speaker 3: beat velaska Is the first time. But I loved the

2013
01:34:11,240 --> 01:34:13,519
Speaker 3: sit down interview we did with her, you know, in

2014
01:34:13,560 --> 01:34:15,800
Speaker 3: Connecticut a couple days before this fight, where she's like, look,

2015
01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:18,400
Speaker 3: I don't consider myself the champion until I beat her

2016
01:34:18,400 --> 01:34:20,360
Speaker 3: for real this time. But look, what did she tell

2017
01:34:20,439 --> 01:34:22,040
Speaker 3: us that she learned when you asked her from that

2018
01:34:22,080 --> 01:34:24,519
Speaker 3: first fight? She learned that Alaska is. You know, she

2019
01:34:24,560 --> 01:34:27,880
Speaker 3: almost gave her, the former champion, too much credit heading

2020
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:29,680
Speaker 3: into the first fight. We all said, well, you know,

2021
01:34:29,680 --> 01:34:32,679
Speaker 3: why couldn't she be as aggressive as she was against

2022
01:34:32,720 --> 01:34:35,479
Speaker 3: Kata Watanabe leading into that title shot, And some of

2023
01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:37,760
Speaker 3: it was she got countered clean in that first fight,

2024
01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:40,240
Speaker 3: but This was Liz Carmus sort of waking up, which

2025
01:34:40,240 --> 01:34:41,919
Speaker 3: is what she told us in that interview, and realizing

2026
01:34:42,400 --> 01:34:44,680
Speaker 3: I'm better than this girl. I can you know, my

2027
01:34:44,720 --> 01:34:48,080
Speaker 3: grappling's better. If I can stay aggressive, I can physically

2028
01:34:48,080 --> 01:34:51,880
Speaker 3: overwhelm her. And dude, her game plan was brilliant. No,

2029
01:34:52,040 --> 01:34:54,559
Speaker 3: she didn't come in reckless. No, she didn't decide to

2030
01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:58,120
Speaker 3: try to play chess with a probably a more scientific

2031
01:34:58,200 --> 01:35:00,519
Speaker 3: technical striker in Velaska. Let's give you know, the former

2032
01:35:00,600 --> 01:35:03,600
Speaker 3: champion credit. She counters well with that left hand, But

2033
01:35:03,680 --> 01:35:08,440
Speaker 3: how about Carmoush bum rushing her, forcing clinches, being more physical,

2034
01:35:08,800 --> 01:35:12,040
Speaker 3: but just chipping away at her constantly, whether that's digs

2035
01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:15,559
Speaker 3: to the body from the clinch, hard calfkicks. Look, she

2036
01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:20,040
Speaker 3: basically wore her down through the kind of damaging shots

2037
01:35:20,040 --> 01:35:22,640
Speaker 3: that sometimes we overlook, but once it set her up

2038
01:35:22,640 --> 01:35:24,240
Speaker 3: in a position where she could take her down and

2039
01:35:24,280 --> 01:35:28,200
Speaker 3: implement her will. Dude, Carmush was patient, she was thorough,

2040
01:35:28,640 --> 01:35:32,160
Speaker 3: and she absolutely earned this, which is great to see

2041
01:35:32,320 --> 01:35:35,479
Speaker 3: for somebody who's got so many layers to her legacy

2042
01:35:35,520 --> 01:35:38,240
Speaker 3: as Yeah, a pioneer lost to Rousei in the first

2043
01:35:38,320 --> 01:35:40,920
Speaker 3: UFC female fight, But dude, I mean you know, she

2044
01:35:40,920 --> 01:35:43,200
Speaker 3: had to Chevchenko her first loss. I mean, she's done

2045
01:35:43,200 --> 01:35:45,439
Speaker 3: some things across the board in this game and is

2046
01:35:45,479 --> 01:35:49,559
Speaker 3: now able to close the chapter of her career. Although

2047
01:35:49,640 --> 01:35:51,759
Speaker 3: I'm not, you know, trying to say that she's retiring

2048
01:35:51,800 --> 01:35:54,680
Speaker 3: after this, but in her late thirties, pushing forty to

2049
01:35:54,760 --> 01:35:58,120
Speaker 3: come out here and put this title down and redeem

2050
01:35:58,439 --> 01:36:00,519
Speaker 3: right the wrong if you will. Of how that first

2051
01:36:00,560 --> 01:36:03,479
Speaker 3: fight ended, dude, I couldn't be more impressed happy for her.

2052
01:36:04,200 --> 01:36:06,360
Speaker 3: It was just physicality that won this out and it

2053
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:10,040
Speaker 3: was a very smart adjustment. I thought that she made.

2054
01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:12,240
Speaker 2: Dude, I just dude. She she what was the difference

2055
01:36:12,280 --> 01:36:15,400
Speaker 2: between this fight and the last one? To me, Carmush

2056
01:36:15,439 --> 01:36:18,840
Speaker 2: realized her takedown defense is not great. I thought the

2057
01:36:18,920 --> 01:36:20,720
Speaker 2: last kis would have worked on it a lot, but

2058
01:36:21,080 --> 01:36:23,439
Speaker 2: she didn't remember. Liz also told her she didn't really

2059
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:25,240
Speaker 2: use her judo, so I'm not really scared of it.

2060
01:36:25,680 --> 01:36:27,439
Speaker 2: That turned out to be quite pressing it, dude. From

2061
01:36:27,439 --> 01:36:29,680
Speaker 2: the word go, she she did the hamzad bit. She

2062
01:36:29,760 --> 01:36:31,800
Speaker 2: got shot out of a cannon and took the fight

2063
01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:36,559
Speaker 2: right to Carmush. NBC. If you take two wrestlers, two fighters, whatever,

2064
01:36:36,640 --> 01:36:39,559
Speaker 2: two boxers and let's say they're equally skilled. In this case.

2065
01:36:39,600 --> 01:36:41,120
Speaker 2: You know, everyone's got a little bit of difference here

2066
01:36:41,120 --> 01:36:43,400
Speaker 2: and there. But just for a hypothetical sense, you take

2067
01:36:43,439 --> 01:36:46,960
Speaker 2: two fighters who are equally skilled, but one operates with

2068
01:36:47,120 --> 01:36:51,360
Speaker 2: significantly more force and intensity, what's going to happen? That

2069
01:36:51,400 --> 01:36:54,040
Speaker 2: person's gonna win. It's just they're always gonna win. And

2070
01:36:54,080 --> 01:36:55,960
Speaker 2: she did that to her. She took it right to her.

2071
01:36:56,080 --> 01:36:59,920
Speaker 2: I gotta say the Laskis was like surprisingly non show

2072
01:37:00,080 --> 01:37:03,240
Speaker 2: lot in this fight. There were times when you know,

2073
01:37:03,600 --> 01:37:05,880
Speaker 2: Carmusha had her locked up and was waiting for her

2074
01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:07,720
Speaker 2: to make a mistake so she could advance positions. She

2075
01:37:07,840 --> 01:37:10,479
Speaker 2: was just kind of sitting there, not really mounting a defense,

2076
01:37:10,520 --> 01:37:11,840
Speaker 2: not mounting an all cording.

2077
01:37:12,240 --> 01:37:14,519
Speaker 3: Look, how much does it wear on you when somebody's

2078
01:37:14,560 --> 01:37:17,599
Speaker 3: just constantly hitting hard strikes on your legs, on your body,

2079
01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:19,320
Speaker 3: on Like I mean, it was just like she broke

2080
01:37:19,400 --> 01:37:22,880
Speaker 3: the foundation down of who Velasquez is. And then once

2081
01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:24,600
Speaker 3: she you know, weakened her to the point where she

2082
01:37:24,600 --> 01:37:27,040
Speaker 3: can succumb, she took advantage. It's almost as if lifts

2083
01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:30,280
Speaker 3: Carmouche came to the BELLATORI and by the way, came

2084
01:37:30,320 --> 01:37:33,040
Speaker 3: here in a weird way lost to Chefchenko and their

2085
01:37:33,120 --> 01:37:34,799
Speaker 3: rematch for the title, which is one of the worst

2086
01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:37,720
Speaker 3: title fights and to be fair, worst performances by a

2087
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:40,320
Speaker 3: title challenger we've ever seen. Yes, and it was almost

2088
01:37:40,360 --> 01:37:43,720
Speaker 3: as if it was almost as if that killed her confidence,

2089
01:37:44,080 --> 01:37:46,759
Speaker 3: and slowly but surely she's kind of waking up and realizing,

2090
01:37:46,760 --> 01:37:49,040
Speaker 3: I'm actually better than all the all the women in

2091
01:37:49,080 --> 01:37:51,519
Speaker 3: this division. I just have to be more of me.

2092
01:37:51,640 --> 01:37:53,400
Speaker 3: I have to be aggressive. I mean, what was that

2093
01:37:53,439 --> 01:37:55,400
Speaker 3: story she told us about weightlifting. I mean, she is

2094
01:37:55,560 --> 01:37:59,160
Speaker 3: a girl Rilla Luke, you know, And I say that positively.

2095
01:37:59,640 --> 01:38:02,120
Speaker 3: She she found the best way to put that together

2096
01:38:02,200 --> 01:38:04,599
Speaker 3: and just over I mean she made Velaska's la ordinary.

2097
01:38:05,360 --> 01:38:07,400
Speaker 3: That that was impressive. This was very impressive.

2098
01:38:07,600 --> 01:38:09,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the thing about to me was again, don't

2099
01:38:09,880 --> 01:38:12,439
Speaker 2: get me wrong, Carmouch like clearly was like, Okay, what

2100
01:38:12,479 --> 01:38:15,439
Speaker 2: worked in the first fight. Let's dial the intensity up

2101
01:38:15,479 --> 01:38:17,240
Speaker 2: on that. Let's get right to it. Let's not give

2102
01:38:17,280 --> 01:38:20,559
Speaker 2: her an ounce of air, no space, take the fight

2103
01:38:20,680 --> 01:38:23,599
Speaker 2: right to her, one hundred percent the right game plan

2104
01:38:23,960 --> 01:38:27,040
Speaker 2: she executed. She looked so much better. All the credit

2105
01:38:27,040 --> 01:38:29,559
Speaker 2: in the world to Liz, But I just thought, and

2106
01:38:29,560 --> 01:38:31,320
Speaker 2: this is the people might be saying I'm taking away

2107
01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:32,960
Speaker 2: from this her, but listen to what I'm saying. I'm

2108
01:38:33,000 --> 01:38:35,840
Speaker 2: not doing that. Liz took the fight to her in

2109
01:38:35,880 --> 01:38:39,200
Speaker 2: a new and improved way. You would expect Velaskiz to

2110
01:38:39,240 --> 01:38:42,240
Speaker 2: have some kind of new or you know, equally intense answer,

2111
01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:46,400
Speaker 2: and she didn't. She just let herself get overwhelmed.

2112
01:38:46,720 --> 01:38:49,479
Speaker 3: And that's what's cool about it. Carmusch fought like the

2113
01:38:49,479 --> 01:38:51,880
Speaker 3: fighter who was wronged the first time, right because in

2114
01:38:51,960 --> 01:38:52,840
Speaker 3: some ways she.

2115
01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:56,040
Speaker 2: Was talking like Shogun in the rematch with Machidas. You

2116
01:38:56,080 --> 01:38:56,479
Speaker 2: know what I mean.

2117
01:38:56,520 --> 01:38:59,719
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And can we shout out coach Chuck Charles Martinez

2118
01:38:59,760 --> 01:39:00,680
Speaker 3: out of Virginia.

2119
01:39:00,400 --> 01:39:02,519
Speaker 2: Who's Chuck on by the way on Instagram? Tons of

2120
01:39:02,520 --> 01:39:03,519
Speaker 2: good advice he puts up.

2121
01:39:03,640 --> 01:39:05,680
Speaker 3: Look like a different fighter under coach Chuck. So it

2122
01:39:05,760 --> 01:39:07,400
Speaker 3: was good to see that. I mean, she's been with him,

2123
01:39:07,560 --> 01:39:09,599
Speaker 3: did she say? She's kind of always been with him,

2124
01:39:09,600 --> 01:39:10,679
Speaker 3: but she moved her camp.

2125
01:39:10,600 --> 01:39:12,240
Speaker 2: Through the time. She took her camp and moved it

2126
01:39:12,280 --> 01:39:14,680
Speaker 2: to Virginia Beach for him to be around him, so

2127
01:39:14,800 --> 01:39:16,719
Speaker 2: she got a lot of different looks. She looked great.

2128
01:39:16,760 --> 01:39:19,880
Speaker 2: Liza Carmusch looked to me like however much longer bco

2129
01:39:19,840 --> 01:39:21,800
Speaker 2: this last thing, I'll say on this, however much longer

2130
01:39:21,840 --> 01:39:23,679
Speaker 2: she has in her career, I feel like she's extended

2131
01:39:23,720 --> 01:39:25,160
Speaker 2: it a little bit. Well, what do you think of

2132
01:39:25,280 --> 01:39:26,720
Speaker 2: the really really sharp.

2133
01:39:26,760 --> 01:39:29,719
Speaker 3: Of the twenty twenty three plan? She told Big John afterwards.

2134
01:39:29,720 --> 01:39:32,559
Speaker 3: She wants Bellador to make a women's bandonweight division so

2135
01:39:32,600 --> 01:39:35,720
Speaker 3: that she could face her good friend Almah Le McFarlane

2136
01:39:35,800 --> 01:39:39,679
Speaker 3: in Hawaii and what would be the Pineapple Princess's final

2137
01:39:39,680 --> 01:39:42,160
Speaker 3: career fight. And then she wants to close out the

2138
01:39:42,240 --> 01:39:45,400
Speaker 3: year by defending her title in a rematch with Nabby

2139
01:39:45,560 --> 01:39:47,000
Speaker 3: in did she say Japan?

2140
01:39:48,080 --> 01:39:49,280
Speaker 2: Maybe? I'm not sure.

2141
01:39:49,560 --> 01:39:51,519
Speaker 3: I mean she did kind of house Conna the first time.

2142
01:39:51,520 --> 01:39:53,120
Speaker 3: I don't know if we need that rematch, but hey,

2143
01:39:53,439 --> 01:39:55,240
Speaker 3: you know, shoot your shot, Liz A right.

2144
01:39:55,240 --> 01:39:57,479
Speaker 2: All right, Last, but not least, let's talk about some boxing.

2145
01:39:57,680 --> 01:40:01,800
Speaker 2: So fifth point here, Bud Craft, you know what, wasn't

2146
01:40:01,800 --> 01:40:05,120
Speaker 2: expecting much and in the sixth round he sends David

2147
01:40:05,120 --> 01:40:08,320
Speaker 2: Avenisi and Avanessian into the Land of Winding Ghost with

2148
01:40:08,680 --> 01:40:11,200
Speaker 2: just a phenomenal two punch combination. Because Bud is quite

2149
01:40:11,280 --> 01:40:13,400
Speaker 2: talented in front of a very large I think sold

2150
01:40:13,400 --> 01:40:17,280
Speaker 2: out hometown crowd BC. I mean, Bud did what we

2151
01:40:17,360 --> 01:40:19,920
Speaker 2: expected Bud to do. I mean anything from it.

2152
01:40:19,960 --> 01:40:22,200
Speaker 3: There's no there's not much to say. Get credit to

2153
01:40:22,240 --> 01:40:24,920
Speaker 3: Bud after the long layoff, and in his reasoning, the

2154
01:40:25,640 --> 01:40:27,799
Speaker 3: major reason why he was pushing for this fight, outside

2155
01:40:27,800 --> 01:40:30,880
Speaker 3: of the fact that BLK Prime guaranteed him ten million

2156
01:40:30,960 --> 01:40:33,559
Speaker 3: to do this thing, Luke, is that he didn't want

2157
01:40:33,600 --> 01:40:36,040
Speaker 3: to go into a Spence fight if it can still happen,

2158
01:40:36,479 --> 01:40:38,240
Speaker 3: rusty or whatever. Well, look, you know, he shook off

2159
01:40:38,240 --> 01:40:40,360
Speaker 3: that Russ and showed you exactly who he still is

2160
01:40:41,080 --> 01:40:44,679
Speaker 3: in the conversation among the Pomper Palm best in the world. Obviously,

2161
01:40:44,720 --> 01:40:46,920
Speaker 3: the larger picture is sort of the business elements that

2162
01:40:46,920 --> 01:40:48,960
Speaker 3: played into this. It's like, you know, there's some chatter

2163
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:52,639
Speaker 3: online that all the you know, everyone's so upset about

2164
01:40:52,640 --> 01:40:54,760
Speaker 3: Spence Crawford not happening right now that we're sort of

2165
01:40:54,840 --> 01:40:58,400
Speaker 3: cheering against BLK Prime, the streaming site which put on

2166
01:40:58,479 --> 01:41:00,920
Speaker 3: this pay per view from you know, playing a role

2167
01:41:00,960 --> 01:41:03,559
Speaker 3: in boxing moving forward. No one's out here like hating

2168
01:41:03,600 --> 01:41:05,200
Speaker 3: on that. It's just sort of the way this came

2169
01:41:05,240 --> 01:41:10,800
Speaker 3: together was really the worst case scenario for boxing fans.

2170
01:41:10,800 --> 01:41:13,920
Speaker 3: It doesn't mean Crawford Spence still can't happen next year.

2171
01:41:13,920 --> 01:41:17,400
Speaker 3: A mid rumors that Spence might fight Keith Thurman next year.

2172
01:41:17,439 --> 01:41:19,280
Speaker 3: We'll see if that happens. But Luke, I mean, I

2173
01:41:19,280 --> 01:41:21,759
Speaker 3: think the way this all played out, unlike the Mayweather

2174
01:41:21,800 --> 01:41:24,120
Speaker 3: Paquio build where each time they didn't fight each other,

2175
01:41:24,160 --> 01:41:26,920
Speaker 3: it just kept building the want. I almost feel like

2176
01:41:26,920 --> 01:41:29,880
Speaker 3: this is doing something negative to the idea of Crawford Spence.

2177
01:41:29,920 --> 01:41:31,600
Speaker 3: But you know, he did what you have to do.

2178
01:41:31,680 --> 01:41:33,400
Speaker 3: I mean, the rumors are that they sold about five

2179
01:41:33,439 --> 01:41:36,640
Speaker 3: and a half pay per views, Luke, so you know,

2180
01:41:36,840 --> 01:41:38,800
Speaker 3: I mean that Todd Grisham on the call though, so

2181
01:41:38,840 --> 01:41:39,519
Speaker 3: shout out for that.

2182
01:41:39,600 --> 01:41:43,839
Speaker 2: But do they as they had Paulymelnaji, they had Antonio Tarvor,

2183
01:41:43,840 --> 01:41:45,320
Speaker 2: they had like a lot of names on there.

2184
01:41:45,640 --> 01:41:47,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know we're not going to get to it.

2185
01:41:47,560 --> 01:41:49,800
Speaker 3: But I mean, there's bigger unfortunately for Bud, there's bigger

2186
01:41:49,840 --> 01:41:52,519
Speaker 3: stories this past week and Josh Warrington lost his featherweight

2187
01:41:52,520 --> 01:41:56,080
Speaker 3: world titled to Alberto Lopez in an upset and Luke

2188
01:41:56,280 --> 01:41:58,519
Speaker 3: tail Femo. Lopez is kind of the real story boxing

2189
01:41:58,520 --> 01:42:00,200
Speaker 3: wise of this weekend. In a lot of ways, he

2190
01:42:00,280 --> 01:42:01,960
Speaker 3: is so.

2191
01:42:01,960 --> 01:42:04,200
Speaker 2: Let's talk about him. So tamfy Mo Lopez scores a

2192
01:42:04,280 --> 01:42:08,280
Speaker 2: split decision over Sandor Martin BC. I'll put it to

2193
01:42:08,280 --> 01:42:11,720
Speaker 2: you like this, true or false. Lopez did not look

2194
01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:14,280
Speaker 2: great and was lucky to get the win. True or false.

2195
01:42:14,600 --> 01:42:17,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true, And I don't mean that he fought

2196
01:42:17,120 --> 01:42:20,160
Speaker 3: a bum and almost lost. No, Sandor Martin, we gotta

2197
01:42:20,160 --> 01:42:21,880
Speaker 3: put some respect on this guy's name. He knows how

2198
01:42:21,920 --> 01:42:24,240
Speaker 3: to box. He's a gritty South Paul who took some

2199
01:42:24,320 --> 01:42:26,640
Speaker 3: damage in this fight and just kept his strategy. And

2200
01:42:26,680 --> 01:42:30,200
Speaker 3: I don't get from team Lopez to some very respective

2201
01:42:30,280 --> 01:42:33,799
Speaker 3: names in boxing online were crying that Sandor was running

2202
01:42:33,800 --> 01:42:35,720
Speaker 3: the whole night. No, he wasn't. He was standing in

2203
01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:38,600
Speaker 3: and fighting. He dropped Heeo in round two, which was

2204
01:42:38,600 --> 01:42:41,439
Speaker 3: a surprise, and even though Lopez didn't get credited with

2205
01:42:41,479 --> 01:42:43,439
Speaker 3: a knockdown later in the fight that he probably should

2206
01:42:43,439 --> 01:42:47,599
Speaker 3: have gotten that extra point. Sandor Martin, who upset Mikey

2207
01:42:47,800 --> 01:42:51,559
Speaker 3: Garcia and retired him, he made this fight as close

2208
01:42:51,600 --> 01:42:53,800
Speaker 3: as it was. But in the larger picture, is this

2209
01:42:53,960 --> 01:42:57,360
Speaker 3: shows some concern for who Teo Femo Lopez is right

2210
01:42:57,400 --> 01:42:59,320
Speaker 3: now and who he might be at one hundred and

2211
01:42:59,320 --> 01:43:03,160
Speaker 3: forty pounds, yeah at Luke big time concern. He secured

2212
01:43:03,160 --> 01:43:05,880
Speaker 3: the opportunity to be the mandatory for Regis Progras world

2213
01:43:05,920 --> 01:43:08,280
Speaker 3: title at one hundred and forty pounds. I'm not sure

2214
01:43:08,280 --> 01:43:10,599
Speaker 3: that's a great matchup at this exact moment for Tayo

2215
01:43:10,640 --> 01:43:13,320
Speaker 3: Femo until he can figure some things out. Luke, We're

2216
01:43:13,320 --> 01:43:15,080
Speaker 3: gonna have to have some real conversations right now, you

2217
01:43:15,120 --> 01:43:17,920
Speaker 3: and I, because you know how much I love Tao

2218
01:43:18,080 --> 01:43:20,880
Speaker 3: as a person. I know how much you respect his game.

2219
01:43:20,880 --> 01:43:23,559
Speaker 3: I've been interviewing this guy since he had single digits

2220
01:43:23,600 --> 01:43:26,000
Speaker 3: in the pro fights. He just talks so well and

2221
01:43:26,040 --> 01:43:29,439
Speaker 3: he always delivered. But the combination of all the drama

2222
01:43:29,520 --> 01:43:32,320
Speaker 3: in his life mixed with moving up in weight here,

2223
01:43:33,320 --> 01:43:35,120
Speaker 3: I don't want to say he looked average, because that's

2224
01:43:35,200 --> 01:43:38,080
Speaker 3: not true. He looked like a guy who showed flashes

2225
01:43:38,120 --> 01:43:40,200
Speaker 3: of the guy he used to be, but he also

2226
01:43:40,240 --> 01:43:42,920
Speaker 3: looked like a guy who's incomplete right now, is unable

2227
01:43:42,960 --> 01:43:45,400
Speaker 3: to put it together. And while it's good news in

2228
01:43:45,479 --> 01:43:48,720
Speaker 3: the offen turbulent personal life of Teo Femo that he's

2229
01:43:48,800 --> 01:43:51,479
Speaker 3: back with his wife, the mother of his young son,

2230
01:43:51,960 --> 01:43:55,120
Speaker 3: I couldn't cheer more for that development on him. But Luke,

2231
01:43:55,120 --> 01:43:57,400
Speaker 3: I think the larger conversation may be his corner and

2232
01:43:57,439 --> 01:44:00,760
Speaker 3: his father, Tayo Femo Senior, and whether and not this

2233
01:44:00,840 --> 01:44:04,000
Speaker 3: is a relationship boxing wise that is holding tail back.

2234
01:44:04,439 --> 01:44:07,200
Speaker 3: I'm starting to believe for the first time that given

2235
01:44:07,240 --> 01:44:10,080
Speaker 3: the fact this guy's still crazy young, I'm not sure

2236
01:44:10,120 --> 01:44:14,479
Speaker 3: we ever see again unless something major changes the version

2237
01:44:14,520 --> 01:44:18,559
Speaker 3: that he was at one thirty five, upsetting Lomachenko to

2238
01:44:18,600 --> 01:44:21,360
Speaker 3: become the at that point underspeed, a lightweight champion, wanted

2239
01:44:21,400 --> 01:44:23,599
Speaker 3: the power for pound best in the world. It seemed

2240
01:44:23,640 --> 01:44:28,040
Speaker 3: like the moment he was able to financially wiggle that

2241
01:44:28,840 --> 01:44:32,559
Speaker 3: mandatory about against Cambosis into a purse bid, which of

2242
01:44:32,560 --> 01:44:34,880
Speaker 3: course put him at odds for a minute with top rank,

2243
01:44:35,160 --> 01:44:37,920
Speaker 3: and then that turned into that long soap opera. Then

2244
01:44:37,960 --> 01:44:40,679
Speaker 3: he got punched in the chest by Biorn Thornson, Luke,

2245
01:44:41,040 --> 01:44:43,680
Speaker 3: and he almost died in that fight against cambosis. And

2246
01:44:43,760 --> 01:44:46,280
Speaker 3: ever since then, man, ever since that perse but I

2247
01:44:46,360 --> 01:44:49,160
Speaker 3: swear it seems like there's been a black cloud over

2248
01:44:49,200 --> 01:44:52,000
Speaker 3: Taale Fema. And you know, he's been open and honest

2249
01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:55,439
Speaker 3: about his mental health challenges, and he's considered suicide. Unfortunately

2250
01:44:55,479 --> 01:44:58,240
Speaker 3: in some dark times. We saw how his relationship with

2251
01:44:58,080 --> 01:45:02,759
Speaker 3: his wife fell apart. But he's not right right now,

2252
01:45:02,840 --> 01:45:05,080
Speaker 3: and I think some of that is exasperated by the

2253
01:45:05,080 --> 01:45:08,640
Speaker 3: idea that at one thirty five he was so spectacular,

2254
01:45:08,960 --> 01:45:11,960
Speaker 3: his timing was so there, and he's so big for

2255
01:45:12,040 --> 01:45:16,439
Speaker 3: a lightweight with explosive, almost Roy Jones like power, that

2256
01:45:16,439 --> 01:45:18,680
Speaker 3: that sometime could make up for the mistakes just by

2257
01:45:18,720 --> 01:45:20,640
Speaker 3: the fact that when he touched these guys he'd get

2258
01:45:20,680 --> 01:45:23,240
Speaker 3: put away. Now, that doesn't explain how he beat Lomachenko

2259
01:45:23,520 --> 01:45:26,200
Speaker 3: that night. He was everything he could be in more,

2260
01:45:26,720 --> 01:45:29,839
Speaker 3: Tayo Femo and his dad have made some large, early,

2261
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:33,360
Speaker 3: bold claims in his career, but up until the Lomachenko fight,

2262
01:45:33,400 --> 01:45:36,040
Speaker 3: they were amazingly able to back all those up. But

2263
01:45:36,240 --> 01:45:39,000
Speaker 3: since then, Luke, you know, you say about can we

2264
01:45:39,040 --> 01:45:42,679
Speaker 3: put Humpty Dumpty back together on the wall. Unfortunately, all

2265
01:45:42,760 --> 01:45:47,160
Speaker 3: of the trauma physical, mental, emotional that he's taken on

2266
01:45:47,280 --> 01:45:50,519
Speaker 3: sense then he's still not right. That's not Tayo Fimo

2267
01:45:50,600 --> 01:45:52,639
Speaker 3: Lopez that we know, who went out there and barely

2268
01:45:52,680 --> 01:45:55,799
Speaker 3: won that fight. He didn't fight badly. We can't overlook

2269
01:45:55,840 --> 01:45:59,120
Speaker 3: Sandor Martin. But Luca, do you echo what I'm echoing here,

2270
01:45:59,160 --> 01:46:01,720
Speaker 3: which is concerned, not concerned that you know, he's going

2271
01:46:01,800 --> 01:46:04,200
Speaker 3: to start losing and get knocked out every time, but

2272
01:46:04,320 --> 01:46:07,920
Speaker 3: concerned that he may not ever be able to fully

2273
01:46:08,040 --> 01:46:12,640
Speaker 3: bottle and encapsulate how great he can be again. And

2274
01:46:12,760 --> 01:46:15,799
Speaker 3: some of that might be the natural his body outgrowing

2275
01:46:15,800 --> 01:46:17,840
Speaker 3: one thirty five and moving up to one forty, meaning

2276
01:46:18,360 --> 01:46:22,760
Speaker 3: does his power have that same effect where he's never

2277
01:46:22,800 --> 01:46:26,080
Speaker 3: been a pure boxer. Can he fight this style at

2278
01:46:26,080 --> 01:46:28,920
Speaker 3: one forty against these elite guys now? Sando Martin is

2279
01:46:29,000 --> 01:46:32,000
Speaker 3: right around that conversation, but wasn't good enough to upset

2280
01:46:32,080 --> 01:46:34,519
Speaker 3: him here. But if you're going to start fighting Josh Taylor,

2281
01:46:34,760 --> 01:46:37,559
Speaker 3: Regis Progray, Jose Ramirez, I mean, you know, all these

2282
01:46:37,600 --> 01:46:39,240
Speaker 3: guys at one forty help with the guy's coming up

2283
01:46:39,240 --> 01:46:42,400
Speaker 3: from thirty five. I don't know if that power anymore

2284
01:46:42,800 --> 01:46:45,840
Speaker 3: is going to alter the fights like it once was. Luke,

2285
01:46:45,880 --> 01:46:47,720
Speaker 3: He's not right at the moment, and I'm a little

2286
01:46:47,760 --> 01:46:49,200
Speaker 3: nervous for him moving forward.

2287
01:46:49,920 --> 01:46:53,920
Speaker 2: I thought his I was surprised he didn't have any pop,

2288
01:46:54,240 --> 01:46:56,360
Speaker 2: to be quite honest with you, I was really surprised,

2289
01:46:56,400 --> 01:46:58,080
Speaker 2: and I know that, like this is not the first

2290
01:46:58,080 --> 01:47:00,760
Speaker 2: fight at one forty where you've seen this, but I thought,

2291
01:47:00,840 --> 01:47:04,479
Speaker 2: you know, he was working out the jitters the previous time,

2292
01:47:04,520 --> 01:47:07,679
Speaker 2: and no, it seems like there might be some translation issues.

2293
01:47:07,880 --> 01:47:10,519
Speaker 2: There was a tweet from Regi's progray that I saw

2294
01:47:10,560 --> 01:47:14,800
Speaker 2: that I thought was really quite interesting. He tweeted out,

2295
01:47:14,840 --> 01:47:18,600
Speaker 2: this was yesterday. He tweeted out all jokes aside. I

2296
01:47:18,640 --> 01:47:21,799
Speaker 2: hope Tao is okay. Boxing is a tough and lonely

2297
01:47:21,840 --> 01:47:24,720
Speaker 2: sport and it can be very taxing mentally. I think

2298
01:47:24,720 --> 01:47:27,479
Speaker 2: he might need some changes in his personal life. Yeah, dude,

2299
01:47:27,479 --> 01:47:29,599
Speaker 2: he's not the same. This is not the guy who

2300
01:47:29,680 --> 01:47:31,360
Speaker 2: was going out there and blowing the doors off of

2301
01:47:31,560 --> 01:47:34,559
Speaker 2: Komi or you know, you name it, who just looked

2302
01:47:34,680 --> 01:47:38,679
Speaker 2: electric when he was fighting. He looks fine, he looks okay,

2303
01:47:38,880 --> 01:47:41,599
Speaker 2: he looks even good. At certain points, he doesn't look great.

2304
01:47:41,640 --> 01:47:43,920
Speaker 2: He doesn't look sharp, he doesn't look in control, he

2305
01:47:43,920 --> 01:47:46,400
Speaker 2: doesn't look like he used to look. And whether it's

2306
01:47:46,640 --> 01:47:48,439
Speaker 2: the fact that he's still training in a situation that

2307
01:47:48,479 --> 01:47:51,720
Speaker 2: may not be optimal, or personal life problems, or you know,

2308
01:47:51,760 --> 01:47:53,559
Speaker 2: he's buying into his own hype and he's just not

2309
01:47:53,560 --> 01:47:55,040
Speaker 2: doing the things he needs to do. I guess we

2310
01:47:55,080 --> 01:47:57,639
Speaker 2: shall see, but BC, it's a bad time for him

2311
01:47:57,640 --> 01:48:00,400
Speaker 2: to kind of be flagging because Regis programs that up

2312
01:48:00,600 --> 01:48:03,400
Speaker 2: ups and downs. But he looked awesome in his last fight.

2313
01:48:03,760 --> 01:48:05,880
Speaker 2: And now if Progray is the guy who's in front

2314
01:48:05,880 --> 01:48:08,920
Speaker 2: of Lopez for his next fight, that's like they're catching

2315
01:48:09,000 --> 01:48:10,960
Speaker 2: each other while one guy is surging and one guy

2316
01:48:11,040 --> 01:48:14,400
Speaker 2: is declining. Doesn't look good for Lopez. I'm just not

2317
01:48:14,680 --> 01:48:18,400
Speaker 2: seeing the same dude that we saw who beat Lomachenko.

2318
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Speaker 2: Everything after that has just been off and weird and

2319
01:48:21,840 --> 01:48:22,360
Speaker 2: not him.

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01:48:22,800 --> 01:48:24,760
Speaker 3: And you know, I don't. I'm him and his dad

2321
01:48:24,760 --> 01:48:26,960
Speaker 3: are such a unique relationship, but you do have to

2322
01:48:27,000 --> 01:48:28,840
Speaker 3: start to wonder whether, you know, could they bring in

2323
01:48:28,880 --> 01:48:31,000
Speaker 3: a second trainer just for another set of eyes? Is

2324
01:48:31,000 --> 01:48:33,240
Speaker 3: that even possible. I don't want to see him and

2325
01:48:33,280 --> 01:48:35,280
Speaker 3: his dad fall on bad terms, but for the future

2326
01:48:35,320 --> 01:48:38,120
Speaker 3: of his career. Not only do I think he needs

2327
01:48:38,160 --> 01:48:42,200
Speaker 3: another trainer or another set of eyes. Look, as I

2328
01:48:42,280 --> 01:48:44,920
Speaker 3: said before, I have concerns because I'm wondering now if

2329
01:48:45,160 --> 01:48:47,760
Speaker 3: if that explosiveness in that power. Think of the Kome fight.

2330
01:48:47,760 --> 01:48:49,559
Speaker 3: As you mentioned, dude, he just touched him and the

2331
01:48:49,560 --> 01:48:53,160
Speaker 3: fight was over. I'm wondering if sometimes you know, there's

2332
01:48:53,160 --> 01:48:55,840
Speaker 3: only four or five pounds sometimes separating these divisions, and

2333
01:48:55,880 --> 01:48:58,599
Speaker 3: the difference between one thirty five and one forty five

2334
01:48:58,600 --> 01:49:00,880
Speaker 3: pounds right, not that much. But sometimes people find that

2335
01:49:01,000 --> 01:49:03,720
Speaker 3: wall where their power just doesn't translate the same. Think

2336
01:49:03,760 --> 01:49:06,519
Speaker 3: of Adrian Broner at one thirty five compared to who

2337
01:49:06,560 --> 01:49:09,400
Speaker 3: he is at forty and forty seven, just not the same.

2338
01:49:09,520 --> 01:49:10,920
Speaker 3: Some of that is work ethics, some of that is

2339
01:49:11,000 --> 01:49:14,000
Speaker 3: drama outside. But even though Tail was in great shape

2340
01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:15,719
Speaker 3: and he seemed to be saying the right things coming

2341
01:49:15,720 --> 01:49:18,639
Speaker 3: in damn, dude, damn, look for a guy so young

2342
01:49:19,200 --> 01:49:24,200
Speaker 3: who upset Lomachenko pound for pound ranking. Damn, I got concerns.

2343
01:49:24,240 --> 01:49:28,120
Speaker 3: I got legitimate concerns. Man, Damn. I hate to see it.

2344
01:49:28,439 --> 01:49:30,799
Speaker 2: Not a great look, but it is what it is. Okay,

2345
01:49:31,240 --> 01:49:32,920
Speaker 2: with that in mind, BC, let's do this.

2346
01:49:33,320 --> 01:49:33,439
Speaker 3: Uh.

2347
01:49:34,080 --> 01:49:36,400
Speaker 2: You know UFC two eighty two was over the weekend

2348
01:49:36,680 --> 01:49:40,599
Speaker 2: BELATOOR two eighty nine and both cards had hashtag Hammer

2349
01:49:40,640 --> 01:49:43,360
Speaker 2: of the Month potential all over them BC. As you

2350
01:49:43,400 --> 01:49:45,920
Speaker 2: know Aaron Blanchfield, who was last month's winner for Hammer

2351
01:49:45,960 --> 01:49:47,920
Speaker 2: of the Month. We have now some competition heading into

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01:49:47,960 --> 01:49:49,439
Speaker 2: the next month, although they're not really competing in that

2353
01:49:49,439 --> 01:49:51,439
Speaker 2: sense ultimately. But for those of you who've been living

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Speaker 2: under a rock the past few episodes, our favorite show sponsor,

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Speaker 2: We have a brand new segment, BC, do we not?

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01:50:01,520 --> 01:50:03,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, we have a brand new segment, Luke. It's called

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01:50:03,400 --> 01:50:05,240
Speaker 3: Hammer of the Month, brought to you by those great

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2361
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Speaker 3: want you want to you want to be with somebody

2362
01:50:11,760 --> 01:50:13,960
Speaker 3: who knows how to money? All right, be with money Lion.

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01:50:14,000 --> 01:50:16,240
Speaker 3: But here's the deal. They love seeing fighters on the

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01:50:16,360 --> 01:50:20,120
Speaker 3: rise who maybe weren't getting the attention before, but are

2365
01:50:20,240 --> 01:50:23,719
Speaker 3: punching or kicking or submitting their way through your screen

2366
01:50:23,800 --> 01:50:27,160
Speaker 3: to demand that. So if you're out there watching fights,

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Speaker 3: why don't you at money Lion on Twitter, at money

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Speaker 3: Lion Inc. On Instagram put that hashtag Hammer of the Month,

2369
01:50:34,560 --> 01:50:37,479
Speaker 3: put that hashtag holy hammer of who you believe was

2370
01:50:37,520 --> 01:50:39,960
Speaker 3: coming on? Luke? When I look at UFC two eighty two, yeah,

2371
01:50:40,120 --> 01:50:43,360
Speaker 3: Eliot Taporia against Bryce Mitchell was well, whoa but dude,

2372
01:50:43,360 --> 01:50:46,599
Speaker 3: how about Edmund Shabazi and turning back a three fight

2373
01:50:46,680 --> 01:50:49,439
Speaker 3: losing streak with a new team after a long layoff

2374
01:50:49,680 --> 01:50:54,800
Speaker 3: and stopping Lugimbula. How about gyrazenho rosenstruk in twenty three

2375
01:50:54,840 --> 01:50:58,559
Speaker 3: seconds against Chris Ducks. How about teenager Raoul Rosos Junior

2376
01:50:59,000 --> 01:51:04,559
Speaker 3: stepping into his UFC debut and absolutely just making new

2377
01:51:04,600 --> 01:51:07,040
Speaker 3: fans left and right. We have more than a few

2378
01:51:07,120 --> 01:51:09,040
Speaker 3: names this week to shout out at the potential for

2379
01:51:09,080 --> 01:51:11,559
Speaker 3: the future. But this month, Luke, somebody's bringing home that

2380
01:51:11,600 --> 01:51:13,200
Speaker 3: giant ass hammer and I can't wait to see who

2381
01:51:13,200 --> 01:51:13,720
Speaker 3: it is, no.

2382
01:51:13,680 --> 01:51:15,800
Speaker 2: Doubt about it. So very simple and how you do it?

2383
01:51:15,840 --> 01:51:18,479
Speaker 2: Of course you can go and follow at money Lion

2384
01:51:18,600 --> 01:51:21,920
Speaker 2: on Twitter or at money Lion Inc. On Instagram, use

2385
01:51:22,000 --> 01:51:24,680
Speaker 2: that hashtag hammer of the month. Let us know who

2386
01:51:24,720 --> 01:51:26,639
Speaker 2: you think. For me, it's either Patchy Mix or Elio

2387
01:51:26,680 --> 01:51:29,160
Speaker 2: Taporia from this past weekend. But of course you could

2388
01:51:29,200 --> 01:51:31,719
Speaker 2: have all the names that BC mentioned there or whatever

2389
01:51:31,760 --> 01:51:33,000
Speaker 2: one you think actually is the best.

2390
01:51:33,120 --> 01:51:35,720
Speaker 3: Who my pick? Is you ready for this? Friend of

2391
01:51:35,720 --> 01:51:38,559
Speaker 3: the program? So is this, you know, making it harder

2392
01:51:38,560 --> 01:51:41,439
Speaker 3: for me? Yes? But dude, Billy Q and Alexander Hands

2393
01:51:41,720 --> 01:51:44,759
Speaker 3: both agreed to just go to featherweight War, and billy

2394
01:51:44,800 --> 01:51:48,120
Speaker 3: Q came back from Crimson Face. Just oh god, Hey,

2395
01:51:48,120 --> 01:51:51,080
Speaker 3: Billy Corntillo, love you brother. That's a big win man.

2396
01:51:51,280 --> 01:51:53,400
Speaker 3: You needed that, you got it. It's because you're tough

2397
01:51:53,400 --> 01:51:53,880
Speaker 3: as nails.

2398
01:51:53,920 --> 01:51:54,080
Speaker 2: Yo.

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01:51:54,240 --> 01:51:56,160
Speaker 3: That's some Hammer of the Month potential right there.

2400
01:51:56,040 --> 01:51:58,599
Speaker 2: Luke, no doubt about it. Hammer the Month for real.

2401
01:51:58,680 --> 01:52:02,439
Speaker 2: So for more information, honey Line dot Com, Slash Morning Combat.

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01:52:02,479 --> 01:52:04,400
Speaker 2: All right, let's go to the DMS because we have

2403
01:52:04,439 --> 01:52:06,599
Speaker 2: been going on for very long. Here, what a show?

2404
01:52:06,640 --> 01:52:07,679
Speaker 3: What a comeback for BC?

2405
01:52:07,880 --> 01:52:10,080
Speaker 2: Right here? What a comeback? All right, we'll go jump

2406
01:52:10,160 --> 01:52:13,200
Speaker 2: right into it. BC from at Cole Underscore Brown eight

2407
01:52:13,280 --> 01:52:16,400
Speaker 2: five eight. Your opinion on the situation with Anthony Smith

2408
01:52:16,520 --> 01:52:19,679
Speaker 2: learning that his fight with Jamal Hill is off live

2409
01:52:19,760 --> 01:52:21,720
Speaker 2: on the post Fight show BC. Before you react, we

2410
01:52:21,840 --> 01:52:23,519
Speaker 2: actually have the video of it.

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01:52:24,040 --> 01:52:27,960
Speaker 4: Let's roll the video announcing at the press conference you

2412
01:52:28,000 --> 01:52:30,920
Speaker 4: guys that Jamal Hill will be fighting Glover to Shara

2413
01:52:31,160 --> 01:52:35,360
Speaker 4: in January. I know, obviously you're stunned by this news.

2414
01:52:35,600 --> 01:52:40,439
Speaker 4: Just reaction for that light heavyweight title now between those two, Yeah, that's.

2415
01:52:40,320 --> 01:52:45,200
Speaker 2: A problem for uh for that's a big problem for me. Yeah,

2416
01:52:45,200 --> 01:52:46,599
Speaker 2: I don't know, obviously, Just I have.

2417
01:52:46,600 --> 01:52:49,800
Speaker 6: So much respect for you digesting this news right now,

2418
01:52:49,840 --> 01:52:51,680
Speaker 6: because as your friend and colleague to all of a

2419
01:52:51,720 --> 01:52:54,800
Speaker 6: sudden have that Jamal Hill fight go away. Yeah, and

2420
01:52:54,880 --> 01:52:56,720
Speaker 6: now he's going to be fighting Glover to share for

2421
01:52:56,760 --> 01:52:57,560
Speaker 6: the title.

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01:52:57,760 --> 01:53:00,679
Speaker 4: While you're announcing at the press conference.

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01:53:00,760 --> 01:53:04,040
Speaker 3: You guys, now that sucks. Mat Shout out to John Annak,

2424
01:53:04,080 --> 01:53:07,200
Speaker 3: the professional there massaging that situation live like he needed to.

2425
01:53:07,320 --> 01:53:09,880
Speaker 3: But you feel for Anthony Smith right here, and it

2426
01:53:09,920 --> 01:53:12,320
Speaker 3: plays into that larger conversation we had about was this

2427
01:53:12,400 --> 01:53:15,479
Speaker 3: the right decision. It's like it's constant sort of robbed

2428
01:53:15,520 --> 01:53:17,479
Speaker 3: from this to pay this and just sort of making

2429
01:53:17,520 --> 01:53:20,559
Speaker 3: it up as they go along. But could Anthony Smith

2430
01:53:20,720 --> 01:53:23,360
Speaker 3: versus Jamal Hill been part of this tournament and an

2431
01:53:23,360 --> 01:53:27,200
Speaker 3: acceptable fight coming up? Absolutely? Now you got Anthony Smith

2432
01:53:27,240 --> 01:53:30,160
Speaker 3: almost deeper out of the title picture in general and

2433
01:53:30,240 --> 01:53:32,439
Speaker 3: needing a big win to re enter that. But Luke,

2434
01:53:32,880 --> 01:53:36,160
Speaker 3: things move quickly in the UFC. They often make quick decisions.

2435
01:53:36,200 --> 01:53:39,080
Speaker 3: Some we love, some we don't like. A true professional

2436
01:53:39,120 --> 01:53:41,240
Speaker 3: that Anthony Smith fielded that the best way he did.

2437
01:53:41,280 --> 01:53:43,519
Speaker 3: But dude, when you're in camp preparing for someone, you know,

2438
01:53:43,840 --> 01:53:45,519
Speaker 3: a guy in a three fight win streak who's trying

2439
01:53:45,560 --> 01:53:48,360
Speaker 3: to make new waves, that that's your ticket back into

2440
01:53:48,400 --> 01:53:51,040
Speaker 3: that conversation by defeating him. That sucks to see for

2441
01:53:51,080 --> 01:53:52,240
Speaker 3: a guy that we like a lot on the show.

2442
01:53:52,240 --> 01:53:55,080
Speaker 3: I mean, Luke, we said it during RSD, that guy's

2443
01:53:55,120 --> 01:53:57,040
Speaker 3: factory Town MMA material right there.

2444
01:53:56,880 --> 01:53:59,160
Speaker 2: Okay, factory town material, and it puts him in a

2445
01:53:59,200 --> 01:54:01,599
Speaker 2: really interesting, in bad spot. I mean, let's look at

2446
01:54:01,600 --> 01:54:04,680
Speaker 2: the rankings here very quickly, BC. So you've got you know,

2447
01:54:04,760 --> 01:54:07,719
Speaker 2: Yuri or however, yeasy yuzzy, whatever the fuck he's out,

2448
01:54:08,000 --> 01:54:12,600
Speaker 2: Glover is gonna be fighting Jamal Yan. Just Drew Megamed,

2449
01:54:12,760 --> 01:54:15,920
Speaker 2: just Drew Rackets is out because he's injured. And then

2450
01:54:15,960 --> 01:54:18,920
Speaker 2: there's Anthony, then there's Jamal, then there's Krilov, and then

2451
01:54:18,960 --> 01:54:21,840
Speaker 2: Craig and Uzdamir. He already has beaten Uzdamir. I guess

2452
01:54:21,840 --> 01:54:24,040
Speaker 2: he could fight Krilov and Craig, but he has to

2453
01:54:24,080 --> 01:54:26,920
Speaker 2: fight someone now even lower ranked than Jamal Hill, which

2454
01:54:26,920 --> 01:54:29,479
Speaker 2: I don't think he wants to do, and Jamal Hill

2455
01:54:29,560 --> 01:54:31,680
Speaker 2: was a good stylistic matchup for him. Jamal Hill is very,

2456
01:54:31,760 --> 01:54:33,400
Speaker 2: very talented on the feet, I think was a real

2457
01:54:33,400 --> 01:54:35,640
Speaker 2: threat to anybody there. But on the ground, I think

2458
01:54:35,640 --> 01:54:39,000
Speaker 2: Smith has a pretty big advantage and I don't know

2459
01:54:39,040 --> 01:54:41,560
Speaker 2: that that's the case with Paul Craig or Krilov in

2460
01:54:41,560 --> 01:54:43,600
Speaker 2: the same way, and again he might beat those guys too,

2461
01:54:43,680 --> 01:54:46,000
Speaker 2: but that doesn't I don't know, man, if you're Smith,

2462
01:54:46,040 --> 01:54:48,880
Speaker 2: you're like, that was a lot. It's one thing to

2463
01:54:48,920 --> 01:54:50,839
Speaker 2: be like, I'm just under the whims of an organization

2464
01:54:50,880 --> 01:54:52,560
Speaker 2: that can just do whatever they want, and the other

2465
01:54:52,600 --> 01:54:55,160
Speaker 2: one is like, now it's a substantive change to whoever

2466
01:54:55,160 --> 01:54:57,320
Speaker 2: you were going to be fighting. It sucks, man, it

2467
01:54:57,400 --> 01:55:00,560
Speaker 2: really sucks them the breaks, Luke. You know, all right,

2468
01:55:00,720 --> 01:55:03,800
Speaker 2: from at it's not cage fighting. Who had the more

2469
01:55:03,880 --> 01:55:06,720
Speaker 2: damaging fight week Hamza at two seventy nine or Patty

2470
01:55:06,720 --> 01:55:09,840
Speaker 2: at two eighty two. I don't know if you.

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01:55:10,960 --> 01:55:14,560
Speaker 3: Okay, Initially I would say Hamza because I mean, whether

2472
01:55:14,600 --> 01:55:17,840
Speaker 3: there's any kind of conspiratorial folluol player or not the

2473
01:55:17,880 --> 01:55:20,200
Speaker 3: next big thing in the sport who's ready to fight

2474
01:55:20,240 --> 01:55:22,800
Speaker 3: for the title in two divisions missedweight by like nine

2475
01:55:22,880 --> 01:55:25,800
Speaker 3: pounds or something, Luke, So you know that was pretty bad,

2476
01:55:25,840 --> 01:55:28,120
Speaker 3: but let's be fair, he could not have won that

2477
01:55:28,160 --> 01:55:30,800
Speaker 3: fight against Kevin Holland more dominant to kind of win

2478
01:55:30,920 --> 01:55:33,280
Speaker 3: us back a little. And then since then all we're

2479
01:55:33,320 --> 01:55:35,760
Speaker 3: talking about when you when you hear Dana Whyane company,

2480
01:55:35,800 --> 01:55:38,760
Speaker 3: is that guy in Monster Big Fights? Moving forward? So

2481
01:55:39,640 --> 01:55:42,320
Speaker 3: right now I feel like it's Patty. But is it

2482
01:55:42,360 --> 01:55:46,680
Speaker 3: Patty because some people wanted to love him but then

2483
01:55:47,320 --> 01:55:49,800
Speaker 3: saw the way that aerial thing played out and felt

2484
01:55:49,840 --> 01:55:52,400
Speaker 3: like they're looking at a disingenuous guy. So I think

2485
01:55:52,440 --> 01:55:54,200
Speaker 3: that's that's a big part of it, whether that matters

2486
01:55:54,240 --> 01:55:58,120
Speaker 3: at all, you know, numbers wise, money wise, in the

2487
01:55:58,120 --> 01:55:59,720
Speaker 3: long term. Don't you feel like there were a lot

2488
01:55:59,720 --> 01:56:02,280
Speaker 3: of people so that like went from loving themselves from

2489
01:56:02,280 --> 01:56:05,240
Speaker 3: Patty to like being like, ah, man, you know he's

2490
01:56:05,240 --> 01:56:06,640
Speaker 3: one of them.

2491
01:56:07,240 --> 01:56:12,520
Speaker 2: Yes, I do think that his his likability took some

2492
01:56:12,640 --> 01:56:14,680
Speaker 2: hits and then he had I mean I think he

2493
01:56:14,760 --> 01:56:18,120
Speaker 2: would have. I'll say this for Hamzad, like all the

2494
01:56:18,160 --> 01:56:19,840
Speaker 2: things Hamsa did were all messed up, but then he

2495
01:56:19,880 --> 01:56:22,920
Speaker 2: goes in there and just fucking blows the doors off

2496
01:56:22,960 --> 01:56:27,040
Speaker 2: of Kevin Holland, and in this particular case, Patty didn't.

2497
01:56:27,360 --> 01:56:31,080
Speaker 2: And it's like, you know, so maybe Patty had a

2498
01:56:31,080 --> 01:56:34,240
Speaker 2: worse one. To be honest with, I thought, like I

2499
01:56:34,280 --> 01:56:36,720
Speaker 2: thought that Hamzad did a lot more damage to himself

2500
01:56:36,760 --> 01:56:38,840
Speaker 2: based on the way that he handled it, But then

2501
01:56:38,880 --> 01:56:41,400
Speaker 2: he fought really well, right, and so people were like, Okay,

2502
01:56:41,440 --> 01:56:45,240
Speaker 2: Hamza versus Alex Pereira, it's gonna be great. And you

2503
01:56:45,280 --> 01:56:47,880
Speaker 2: don't hear a lot of that now. On the Patty side, like, oh,

2504
01:56:47,960 --> 01:56:49,800
Speaker 2: what would be a fun interesting five people are like,

2505
01:56:50,000 --> 01:56:52,080
Speaker 2: who is this guy? It's a very different kind of thing,

2506
01:56:52,120 --> 01:56:52,320
Speaker 2: you know.

2507
01:56:53,080 --> 01:56:54,880
Speaker 3: I mean, how much longer is Dave Portner? Are going

2508
01:56:54,920 --> 01:56:56,920
Speaker 3: to sit in the front row at UFC fights as

2509
01:56:57,000 --> 01:56:58,280
Speaker 3: long as Patty keeps winning?

2510
01:56:58,800 --> 01:57:00,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I gotta tell you, like, Dave needs

2511
01:57:00,560 --> 01:57:02,760
Speaker 2: someone who can whisper in his ear about some prospects

2512
01:57:02,800 --> 01:57:04,400
Speaker 2: that got a future.

2513
01:57:04,440 --> 01:57:08,200
Speaker 3: I think he should be rushing over to Russia Leutics

2514
01:57:08,240 --> 01:57:10,640
Speaker 3: to fight some hammers that are coming on right now. Okay,

2515
01:57:10,840 --> 01:57:11,520
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.

2516
01:57:12,400 --> 01:57:17,760
Speaker 2: He really should so anyway, so that's that, all right?

2517
01:57:18,120 --> 01:57:22,080
Speaker 2: BC from at ability to change, this is an interesting question.

2518
01:57:22,200 --> 01:57:23,800
Speaker 2: I don't know. You might not know about this. I've

2519
01:57:23,840 --> 01:57:26,120
Speaker 2: been reading a lot about this. With the rise of

2520
01:57:26,160 --> 01:57:30,720
Speaker 2: open source AI software, chat, GPT and incompetent judging, do

2521
01:57:30,800 --> 01:57:34,400
Speaker 2: you foresee a world where where AI artificial intelligence could assist,

2522
01:57:34,560 --> 01:57:37,280
Speaker 2: not replace, judging as a tool. For example, if there

2523
01:57:37,320 --> 01:57:39,360
Speaker 2: was an AI program that was somehow powerful enough to

2524
01:57:39,440 --> 01:57:42,160
Speaker 2: understand strikes and even some elements of grappling. How do

2525
01:57:42,200 --> 01:57:43,680
Speaker 2: you think it would fare as an extra tool for

2526
01:57:43,720 --> 01:57:45,960
Speaker 2: the judge's disposable? This to me does not seem like

2527
01:57:46,000 --> 01:57:48,120
Speaker 2: a correct read of what chat GPT can do. Do

2528
01:57:48,120 --> 01:57:49,320
Speaker 2: you know what chat GPT is?

2529
01:57:49,840 --> 01:57:52,400
Speaker 3: No, This nerd robot stuff is make me a little more.

2530
01:57:52,600 --> 01:57:55,280
Speaker 2: This is an interesting one. They've basically come up with something,

2531
01:57:55,280 --> 01:57:57,640
Speaker 2: and this is one of the few things I've ever

2532
01:57:57,680 --> 01:58:02,200
Speaker 2: seen that could replace Google, where, for example, I could

2533
01:58:02,200 --> 01:58:04,720
Speaker 2: go to chat GPT and I could ask him chat

2534
01:58:04,760 --> 01:58:07,720
Speaker 2: GPT give me a sense of how I'm going to

2535
01:58:07,760 --> 01:58:11,680
Speaker 2: make up two philosophers. They were sort of opposites when

2536
01:58:11,720 --> 01:58:15,520
Speaker 2: they were around at the time. Give me a sense

2537
01:58:15,560 --> 01:58:18,480
Speaker 2: of who would have a better vision of the future

2538
01:58:19,080 --> 01:58:22,840
Speaker 2: for the disabled in a world where Robert Nozick's philosophy

2539
01:58:23,040 --> 01:58:27,480
Speaker 2: was adopted versus John Rawls. Very esoteric, very specific questions,

2540
01:58:27,720 --> 01:58:32,040
Speaker 2: and chat GPT can take and source information from the

2541
01:58:32,080 --> 01:58:37,520
Speaker 2: Internet to give you, like a very accomplished, thoughtful read

2542
01:58:37,680 --> 01:58:40,160
Speaker 2: on this. You could do things like what system of

2543
01:58:40,200 --> 01:58:44,560
Speaker 2: governance works better in some kind of population? With these

2544
01:58:44,640 --> 01:58:47,440
Speaker 2: kinds of characteristics that value these kinds of you know,

2545
01:58:47,480 --> 01:58:49,960
Speaker 2: open liberty or whatever, and it could actually give you

2546
01:58:50,000 --> 01:58:53,800
Speaker 2: an academic answer, full throated, whereas if I just did

2547
01:58:53,840 --> 01:58:56,640
Speaker 2: that on Google, it would give me pages of stuff

2548
01:58:56,720 --> 01:58:59,760
Speaker 2: behind jystore like you couldn't even get it, or you know,

2549
01:58:59,880 --> 01:59:02,560
Speaker 2: just garbage and nonsense. It wouldn't really give me anything

2550
01:59:02,600 --> 01:59:07,120
Speaker 2: I needed. Chat GPT can actually take basically an expert's opinion,

2551
01:59:07,280 --> 01:59:11,000
Speaker 2: instantly synthesize it into a particular problem, and give you

2552
01:59:11,040 --> 01:59:14,880
Speaker 2: an actual answer. That wouldn't really work here because you

2553
01:59:14,880 --> 01:59:17,200
Speaker 2: would need AI to either observe the fight or have

2554
01:59:17,280 --> 01:59:19,920
Speaker 2: stats enough that give it enough of an answer to

2555
01:59:20,000 --> 01:59:22,680
Speaker 2: make a judgment call, which we don't have yet. But

2556
01:59:22,720 --> 01:59:27,200
Speaker 2: that's what chat GPT can essentially do to CHATPT could

2557
01:59:27,200 --> 01:59:29,800
Speaker 2: write your like papers in college for you. That's how

2558
01:59:29,840 --> 01:59:30,520
Speaker 2: powerful it is.

2559
01:59:30,600 --> 01:59:32,800
Speaker 3: Didn't we learn a lesson from Attack of the Clones, Luke?

2560
01:59:32,960 --> 01:59:36,240
Speaker 3: Although those all those robots were really put together stupidly.

2561
01:59:36,240 --> 01:59:40,480
Speaker 3: They're easy to take out with one shot. But you know, eventually, Luke,

2562
01:59:40,520 --> 01:59:43,280
Speaker 3: the AI and the robots are gonna overwhelm us. And

2563
01:59:43,920 --> 01:59:46,680
Speaker 3: you know, Mike Mormele reaches in right now hilariously and says,

2564
01:59:46,720 --> 01:59:49,840
Speaker 3: the smart cage should incorporate that, Luke. If that cage

2565
01:59:49,880 --> 01:59:52,760
Speaker 3: was smart, they'd already be using that technology. But I mean, look,

2566
01:59:52,800 --> 01:59:54,920
Speaker 3: didn't know. You know, isn't it enough that machines are

2567
01:59:54,920 --> 01:59:56,640
Speaker 3: taking away all of our jobs, Luke, and the're closing

2568
01:59:56,680 --> 01:59:59,440
Speaker 3: down the factories. Now we're gonna put our future in

2569
01:59:59,440 --> 02:00:02,400
Speaker 3: the hands of a robot that's could be secretly programmed

2570
02:00:02,400 --> 02:00:04,080
Speaker 3: to kill us all. Luke, I'm not into this idea.

2571
02:00:04,280 --> 02:00:06,080
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, it's kind of funny that everyone

2572
02:00:06,160 --> 02:00:08,280
Speaker 2: thought that truck drivers we're gonna be the first ones

2573
02:00:08,320 --> 02:00:12,080
Speaker 2: to be replaced, and it turns out that, like tenured

2574
02:00:12,120 --> 02:00:14,720
Speaker 2: professors actually might be the first ones to go. It

2575
02:00:14,800 --> 02:00:15,960
Speaker 2: is really the kind of interesting one.

2576
02:00:15,960 --> 02:00:18,000
Speaker 3: Isn't that you need more Uber drivers because you can

2577
02:00:18,160 --> 02:00:20,640
Speaker 3: the car will drive you into a wall, Luke. You know,

2578
02:00:20,760 --> 02:00:23,720
Speaker 3: at some point, Luke, technology will go too far and

2579
02:00:23,760 --> 02:00:26,400
Speaker 3: it's gonna take us. You know, old guys who remember

2580
02:00:26,400 --> 02:00:28,360
Speaker 3: what it's like to on a rotary phone, to stand

2581
02:00:28,400 --> 02:00:30,520
Speaker 3: in and say, you know what, I can handle that myself.

2582
02:00:30,600 --> 02:00:31,000
Speaker 2: Okay.

2583
02:00:31,240 --> 02:00:33,080
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't love me some Doug Crosby right now,

2584
02:00:33,080 --> 02:00:34,880
Speaker 3: but I'd rather have him score the fight over some

2585
02:00:35,040 --> 02:00:35,680
Speaker 3: damn computer.

2586
02:00:35,800 --> 02:00:36,000
Speaker 5: Luke.

2587
02:00:36,240 --> 02:00:39,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, here's no example. Explain quantum computing in simple terms.

2588
02:00:39,880 --> 02:00:40,480
Speaker 2: It could do that.

2589
02:00:41,280 --> 02:00:42,960
Speaker 3: Droids aren't welcome in this place, Luke.

2590
02:00:43,000 --> 02:00:46,960
Speaker 2: Okay, all right? Moving on here from this at Gavin

2591
02:00:47,080 --> 02:00:50,920
Speaker 2: Underscore coll Lear. Are there any notable robberies in MMA

2592
02:00:51,000 --> 02:00:54,520
Speaker 2: or boxing that favored the B side fighter? Ooh, b C.

2593
02:00:54,680 --> 02:00:57,600
Speaker 3: That's a good question you have, Pacil Bradley.

2594
02:00:58,440 --> 02:00:59,280
Speaker 2: Was that a robbery?

2595
02:01:01,320 --> 02:01:04,240
Speaker 3: Where I come from, it was Brian Kenny is the

2596
02:01:04,280 --> 02:01:07,120
Speaker 3: only one that still thinks Tim one along with Hall

2597
02:01:07,120 --> 02:01:12,120
Speaker 3: of Famer Tim Bradley. But I mean that was still

2598
02:01:12,160 --> 02:01:14,480
Speaker 3: a pay per view fight between pound for pound rank guys.

2599
02:01:14,640 --> 02:01:17,360
Speaker 3: I guess what you're talking more about is has there

2600
02:01:17,400 --> 02:01:18,960
Speaker 3: been a Robbie where there was like the clear B

2601
02:01:19,160 --> 02:01:22,040
Speaker 3: side both an ability and in terms of marketing. Yeah,

2602
02:01:22,080 --> 02:01:25,080
Speaker 3: I'm sure that's happened, but I'm trying. Okay, I say,

2603
02:01:25,240 --> 02:01:26,840
Speaker 3: I'm sure that's happened a lot. But look what are

2604
02:01:26,880 --> 02:01:27,320
Speaker 3: we missing here?

2605
02:01:27,320 --> 02:01:30,240
Speaker 2: What can we remember the biggest robbery in MMA history? Again,

2606
02:01:30,280 --> 02:01:32,880
Speaker 2: I was there for it is Mike Easton versus Chase Bbe.

2607
02:01:32,960 --> 02:01:36,600
Speaker 2: But Mike Easton was the A side. So that's why

2608
02:01:36,640 --> 02:01:40,160
Speaker 2: it doesn't work here. I don't know. I'd have to

2609
02:01:40,200 --> 02:01:42,160
Speaker 2: think about that. I don't know, not off, not off

2610
02:01:42,160 --> 02:01:43,880
Speaker 2: the top of my head. And this is, dude, this

2611
02:01:43,920 --> 02:01:45,280
Speaker 2: is the part to me that got me. It's like

2612
02:01:45,320 --> 02:01:47,080
Speaker 2: everyone's like, well, it should have been a split decision,

2613
02:01:47,200 --> 02:01:49,880
Speaker 2: but that's for Patty, but that's really not how it works. Like,

2614
02:01:50,760 --> 02:01:53,480
Speaker 2: just because it was split versus unanimous doesn't mean that

2615
02:01:53,520 --> 02:01:56,200
Speaker 2: the judges didn't think it was a close fight, and

2616
02:01:56,200 --> 02:01:59,520
Speaker 2: and a unanimous one versus a split one doesn't necessarily

2617
02:01:59,520 --> 02:02:01,840
Speaker 2: tell you the competitiveness of the bout right. So that's

2618
02:02:01,960 --> 02:02:04,120
Speaker 2: that there's a gap between that. Another reason the scoring

2619
02:02:04,120 --> 02:02:07,680
Speaker 2: criteria sucks ass, But that is the reality. But the

2620
02:02:07,720 --> 02:02:10,360
Speaker 2: point being here is like that, dude, again, all three

2621
02:02:10,440 --> 02:02:12,960
Speaker 2: judges gave it to Patty, and two of the three

2622
02:02:13,040 --> 02:02:16,320
Speaker 2: gave him round one. It's like, what the fuck is this?

2623
02:02:16,560 --> 02:02:17,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, what the.

2624
02:02:17,080 --> 02:02:17,880
Speaker 2: Fuck is this?

2625
02:02:18,080 --> 02:02:20,000
Speaker 3: I did see a stat on Twitter that the fifty

2626
02:02:20,000 --> 02:02:22,480
Speaker 3: to forty five scorecard for Sabatello from Doug Crosby was

2627
02:02:22,520 --> 02:02:27,400
Speaker 3: the first time that a losing fighter in MMA. I

2628
02:02:27,440 --> 02:02:28,920
Speaker 3: don't know if it's just title fights, if it was

2629
02:02:28,920 --> 02:02:32,240
Speaker 3: in general where the losing fighter had been given the shutoff.

2630
02:02:32,280 --> 02:02:34,040
Speaker 2: Fifty to forty five. Yeah, I think that's true. I've

2631
02:02:34,040 --> 02:02:34,920
Speaker 2: never seen it before.

2632
02:02:35,560 --> 02:02:38,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting. All right, I'm still scared about the robots, Luke.

2633
02:02:38,520 --> 02:02:42,520
Speaker 2: Okay, uh, dude, you see the using the robots in

2634
02:02:42,520 --> 02:02:45,840
Speaker 2: San Francisco for like certain kinds of policing effects like that.

2635
02:02:45,840 --> 02:02:48,320
Speaker 3: That is what What if one day your wife finds

2636
02:02:48,400 --> 02:02:50,840
Speaker 3: what the robot can do to be more efficient and

2637
02:02:50,880 --> 02:02:53,480
Speaker 3: better and handsomer than you, Luke, Okay, you'll be replaced

2638
02:02:53,480 --> 02:02:53,760
Speaker 3: there too.

2639
02:02:53,800 --> 02:02:56,200
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah that's probably true. It's good.

2640
02:02:56,200 --> 02:02:58,400
Speaker 3: I don't mean denry your marriage bet openly here like

2641
02:02:58,440 --> 02:03:00,160
Speaker 3: this and out you like that. But you know, I'm

2642
02:03:00,200 --> 02:03:02,400
Speaker 3: sure that robot knows exactly where to find it, you

2643
02:03:02,480 --> 02:03:02,920
Speaker 3: know what I mean?

2644
02:03:03,200 --> 02:03:07,080
Speaker 2: Yeah? All right? From at J matt X. Best and

2645
02:03:07,280 --> 02:03:10,960
Speaker 2: worst Christmas gifts you've ever received growing up so as

2646
02:03:10,960 --> 02:03:12,960
Speaker 2: an adult doesn't count. This is this is going to

2647
02:03:13,000 --> 02:03:15,280
Speaker 2: be you know, when you're living with your well you've

2648
02:03:15,280 --> 02:03:16,920
Speaker 2: been living with your parents for a long time probably,

2649
02:03:16,960 --> 02:03:19,360
Speaker 2: but you know, living with your parents backwards. So what

2650
02:03:19,360 --> 02:03:20,360
Speaker 2: do you think I moved.

2651
02:03:20,160 --> 02:03:23,400
Speaker 3: Out when I was twenty one? Okay, please, that's pretty

2652
02:03:23,480 --> 02:03:28,800
Speaker 3: late late, that's pretty early where I come from. Look, okay,

2653
02:03:28,840 --> 02:03:30,680
Speaker 3: you know what I mean I got that, I got

2654
02:03:30,680 --> 02:03:33,040
Speaker 3: out of there. Okay. The best to this day, the

2655
02:03:33,080 --> 02:03:37,120
Speaker 3: best Christmas kiffed I ever got was Christmas of eighty six.

2656
02:03:37,640 --> 02:03:39,480
Speaker 3: I've told this story before, but when when I was

2657
02:03:39,480 --> 02:03:41,480
Speaker 3: a big gi Joe guy there, Luke, in third grade,

2658
02:03:41,480 --> 02:03:43,920
Speaker 3: and my dad bought me the eight foot long aircraft

2659
02:03:43,960 --> 02:03:47,320
Speaker 3: carrier with all the vehicles and planes, and he stayed

2660
02:03:47,360 --> 02:03:49,760
Speaker 3: up all night putting it together in the garage, and

2661
02:03:49,880 --> 02:03:52,840
Speaker 3: at three am, while carrying it up the stairs these

2662
02:03:52,880 --> 02:03:55,400
Speaker 3: are basement stairs that have like holes in them, and

2663
02:03:55,400 --> 02:03:58,640
Speaker 3: then like there's just more basement underneath, dropped the entire

2664
02:03:58,720 --> 02:04:02,320
Speaker 3: aircraft carrier into a million pieces and swore, you know,

2665
02:04:02,560 --> 02:04:05,000
Speaker 3: to wake up the entire neighborhood. And then like a

2666
02:04:05,080 --> 02:04:07,160
Speaker 3: real dad, sat there and put it all back together

2667
02:04:07,280 --> 02:04:07,880
Speaker 3: until morning.

2668
02:04:07,920 --> 02:04:08,120
Speaker 2: Luke.

2669
02:04:08,200 --> 02:04:13,720
Speaker 3: That you imagine being eight seven eight walking downstairs and

2670
02:04:13,720 --> 02:04:16,200
Speaker 3: seeing an eight foot toy set up with all everything

2671
02:04:16,240 --> 02:04:20,280
Speaker 3: out there, Luke, nothing will ever top that Christmas, nothing ever, Okay?

2672
02:04:20,320 --> 02:04:23,600
Speaker 2: And worst, I mean, what constitutes.

2673
02:04:23,040 --> 02:04:25,440
Speaker 3: A worst gift? Is it a gift that you wanted

2674
02:04:25,440 --> 02:04:27,680
Speaker 3: but it ended up sucking or is it just a

2675
02:04:27,720 --> 02:04:29,800
Speaker 3: bad gift where you're like, I can't believe parents this

2676
02:04:29,920 --> 02:04:31,760
Speaker 3: was my big gift this year. This sucks. I don't

2677
02:04:31,760 --> 02:04:32,560
Speaker 3: think I've really had.

2678
02:04:32,600 --> 02:04:34,680
Speaker 2: Just a one that just caused you, like, I cannot

2679
02:04:34,680 --> 02:04:35,680
Speaker 2: fucking believe I got this.

2680
02:04:35,800 --> 02:04:38,280
Speaker 3: The bad gift was them keeping me until fifth grade

2681
02:04:38,320 --> 02:04:41,040
Speaker 3: thinking that the that that fat guy was was sliding

2682
02:04:41,080 --> 02:04:43,040
Speaker 3: down the chimney. Luke, I mean, okay, that was the

2683
02:04:43,200 --> 02:04:45,360
Speaker 3: That was the you know, the amount of abuse I

2684
02:04:45,400 --> 02:04:47,880
Speaker 3: took for for holding firm in that belief. Okay, that

2685
02:04:48,000 --> 02:04:49,440
Speaker 3: was the worst gift I ever got.

2686
02:04:50,400 --> 02:04:54,520
Speaker 2: Uh, Okay, best gift. I'm trying to think probably a

2687
02:04:54,600 --> 02:04:57,960
Speaker 2: bike I got in seventh grade that ended up using

2688
02:04:58,280 --> 02:05:00,600
Speaker 2: for a long time. It got me like a big bike,

2689
02:05:00,960 --> 02:05:04,200
Speaker 2: so because I was I I've been this height since

2690
02:05:04,240 --> 02:05:07,680
Speaker 2: I was fourteen years old, right, so I just like bloomed.

2691
02:05:08,040 --> 02:05:10,200
Speaker 2: So that bike actually like did me good. All the

2692
02:05:10,200 --> 02:05:11,800
Speaker 2: way through the end of high school. I could still

2693
02:05:12,000 --> 02:05:13,680
Speaker 2: it was still. So that was like one of my

2694
02:05:13,840 --> 02:05:16,320
Speaker 2: favorite favorite bikes. I just loved that bike. It was

2695
02:05:16,360 --> 02:05:18,160
Speaker 2: so great. It was all black. It was even the

2696
02:05:18,240 --> 02:05:20,320
Speaker 2: lettering was black on black, you know, so it was

2697
02:05:20,400 --> 02:05:20,720
Speaker 2: just super.

2698
02:05:20,960 --> 02:05:22,360
Speaker 3: Was it a mongoose, Luke.

2699
02:05:23,640 --> 02:05:27,640
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think it was a Shwin, Yeah,

2700
02:05:27,720 --> 02:05:29,600
Speaker 2: maybe something else, but it was cool. It was super cool.

2701
02:05:29,600 --> 02:05:31,919
Speaker 3: We were the last kids to get a bit Nintendo.

2702
02:05:32,440 --> 02:05:34,680
Speaker 3: But I'll give my parents credit and fourth grade, Luke,

2703
02:05:35,000 --> 02:05:38,000
Speaker 3: they waited until after the Christmas presents were opening and

2704
02:05:38,040 --> 02:05:39,840
Speaker 3: it was done, and it was kind of like the

2705
02:05:40,120 --> 02:05:42,200
Speaker 3: you know, the the you'll shoot your eye out gun

2706
02:05:42,240 --> 02:05:43,800
Speaker 3: and then like, oh wait, I think there's one more

2707
02:05:43,800 --> 02:05:46,320
Speaker 3: gift over there, and Luke, it was Nintendo with like

2708
02:05:46,360 --> 02:05:48,800
Speaker 3: a ton of games that moment. That's my second dude.

2709
02:05:48,840 --> 02:05:51,520
Speaker 2: How about my dad who would never get me Nintendo

2710
02:05:51,680 --> 02:05:54,600
Speaker 2: until Super Nintendo came out? And then I got Nintendo?

2711
02:05:54,680 --> 02:05:56,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, then you got it, jeddo Yeah, by the way, kid,

2712
02:05:56,720 --> 02:05:57,240
Speaker 3: or when.

2713
02:05:57,120 --> 02:06:00,080
Speaker 2: The when the it was it whatever the success or

2714
02:06:00,080 --> 02:06:01,760
Speaker 2: to the Supernintendo was, and then it was like you

2715
02:06:01,800 --> 02:06:02,880
Speaker 2: guys want a Super Nintendo.

2716
02:06:02,960 --> 02:06:06,160
Speaker 3: It's like, fuck off, you guys want I got a

2717
02:06:06,200 --> 02:06:07,040
Speaker 3: few left over.

2718
02:06:07,440 --> 02:06:08,960
Speaker 2: And give This is a true story. Like you know,

2719
02:06:08,960 --> 02:06:10,800
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to you know, like rest in peace

2720
02:06:10,840 --> 02:06:14,160
Speaker 2: to my mom. She tried, but like, do you remember

2721
02:06:14,240 --> 02:06:18,520
Speaker 2: the remote control cars that they The remote itself had

2722
02:06:18,520 --> 02:06:21,280
Speaker 2: a handle and like a user board and the way

2723
02:06:21,280 --> 02:06:23,400
Speaker 2: in which you turned the steering whell and actually had

2724
02:06:23,440 --> 02:06:27,120
Speaker 2: a little wheel on the thing itself, okay, And it

2725
02:06:27,240 --> 02:06:29,320
Speaker 2: was like the cars could do anything. I mean, they

2726
02:06:29,360 --> 02:06:31,920
Speaker 2: could go in any number of directions. It was amazing, right,

2727
02:06:32,480 --> 02:06:34,680
Speaker 2: All the cool kids had that. And my mom got

2728
02:06:34,720 --> 02:06:39,440
Speaker 2: me this bullshit remote control car which had just one

2729
02:06:39,520 --> 02:06:41,640
Speaker 2: button and if you hit it, it made right turns.

2730
02:06:41,920 --> 02:06:44,520
Speaker 2: That's it. That's all I could fucking do was turn

2731
02:06:44,560 --> 02:06:46,560
Speaker 2: in circles or go straight turning like.

2732
02:06:46,480 --> 02:06:49,400
Speaker 3: My Nascar turns left all the time, not right.

2733
02:06:49,400 --> 02:06:51,760
Speaker 2: Come on, And it sucked and it couldn't go fast.

2734
02:06:51,840 --> 02:06:55,200
Speaker 2: It wasn't nimble. I couldn't take that fucking thing anywhere. Blue.

2735
02:06:55,520 --> 02:06:58,880
Speaker 2: So I remember being like, seriously, like you couldn't get okay, all.

2736
02:06:58,840 --> 02:07:00,800
Speaker 3: Right, you should have just ran it right into the

2737
02:07:00,800 --> 02:07:01,920
Speaker 3: wall like Dale Senior did.

2738
02:07:02,000 --> 02:07:05,960
Speaker 2: Luke alright, BC. I asked the chat GPI for I

2739
02:07:06,000 --> 02:07:09,000
Speaker 2: asked it a question, ready. My question was why is

2740
02:07:09,080 --> 02:07:12,120
Speaker 2: mixed martial arts legal? That's what I asked it. Okay,

2741
02:07:12,360 --> 02:07:16,000
Speaker 2: we want to hear its answer, yeah, MMA or mixed

2742
02:07:16,000 --> 02:07:18,480
Speaker 2: martial arts, is a combat sport that combines techniques from

2743
02:07:18,480 --> 02:07:20,760
Speaker 2: a variety of martial arts and fighting styles. It is

2744
02:07:20,840 --> 02:07:23,160
Speaker 2: legal in most countries because it is regulated by Athletic

2745
02:07:23,200 --> 02:07:25,920
Speaker 2: commissions or other governing bodies which ensure that the sport

2746
02:07:25,960 --> 02:07:29,160
Speaker 2: is conducted safely and fairly. In addition, most MMA fighters

2747
02:07:29,160 --> 02:07:31,440
Speaker 2: are highly trained and skilled athletes who are able to

2748
02:07:31,440 --> 02:07:35,200
Speaker 2: competently defend themselves and their opponents. That doesn't make sense

2749
02:07:35,240 --> 02:07:37,160
Speaker 2: a little bit. As long as the rules are of

2750
02:07:37,200 --> 02:07:39,040
Speaker 2: the sport are followed in the safety of the fighters

2751
02:07:39,080 --> 02:07:42,720
Speaker 2: is upheld, MMA is generally considered a legal and legitimate

2752
02:07:42,720 --> 02:07:47,200
Speaker 2: form of competition. Pretty good, Pretty good?

2753
02:07:48,120 --> 02:07:50,200
Speaker 3: But can you kick my ass computer? You know what

2754
02:07:50,240 --> 02:07:51,280
Speaker 3: I'm saying at the end of the day.

2755
02:07:51,320 --> 02:07:55,120
Speaker 2: All right? By the way, did someone do the chat GPI?

2756
02:07:55,640 --> 02:07:57,880
Speaker 2: Did Mikey do the chat GPI for the ALI Act?

2757
02:07:57,920 --> 02:08:02,080
Speaker 2: Is that what you did, Mikey? Yeah? So here's what

2758
02:08:02,160 --> 02:08:03,960
Speaker 2: it says. He asked what would the ALI Act do

2759
02:08:04,040 --> 02:08:07,240
Speaker 2: for MMA? And Chad GPI said it is difficult to

2760
02:08:07,240 --> 02:08:09,800
Speaker 2: say for certain whether MMA would be at in a

2761
02:08:09,840 --> 02:08:12,680
Speaker 2: better position if they had adopted the ALI Act, as

2762
02:08:12,680 --> 02:08:14,760
Speaker 2: the effects of implementing such a law would depend on

2763
02:08:14,840 --> 02:08:17,360
Speaker 2: various factors. The ALI Act was passed blah blah blah

2764
02:08:17,360 --> 02:08:20,040
Speaker 2: blah blah. Okay, if the ALI Act were applied to MMA,

2765
02:08:20,120 --> 02:08:22,879
Speaker 2: it could potentially provide for greater protections for MMA fighters

2766
02:08:23,080 --> 02:08:24,640
Speaker 2: and help to regulate the sport in a way that

2767
02:08:24,720 --> 02:08:28,640
Speaker 2: ensures fairness and transparent practices. However, it is also possible

2768
02:08:28,640 --> 02:08:31,200
Speaker 2: that the Act could have unintended consequences for the sport,

2769
02:08:31,440 --> 02:08:34,040
Speaker 2: such as hindering its growth and development. Ultimately, the decision

2770
02:08:34,040 --> 02:08:36,000
Speaker 2: to adopt the ALI Act for MMA would need to

2771
02:08:36,040 --> 02:08:38,640
Speaker 2: be carefully considered and evaluated by the relevant stakeholders in

2772
02:08:38,680 --> 02:08:41,000
Speaker 2: the sport. Tell me that's not a good answer for

2773
02:08:41,040 --> 02:08:41,920
Speaker 2: an undergraduate.

2774
02:08:42,000 --> 02:08:46,640
Speaker 3: That's pretty good, okay, So whether they going to become

2775
02:08:46,640 --> 02:08:49,120
Speaker 3: professors now too? These damn computers, Luke, where are they

2776
02:08:49,160 --> 02:08:51,480
Speaker 3: going to We don't need a referee anymore. The smart

2777
02:08:51,520 --> 02:08:55,120
Speaker 3: cage will take care of that, right, We don't need

2778
02:08:55,160 --> 02:08:58,400
Speaker 3: a legal system. The smart cage will just electrocute you. Okay,

2779
02:08:58,440 --> 02:08:59,920
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Then we'll feed you to

2780
02:09:00,120 --> 02:09:01,880
Speaker 3: the poor like soil and green. I mean, what are

2781
02:09:01,920 --> 02:09:03,520
Speaker 3: we What are we doing? Luke? You bringing on arm

2782
02:09:03,520 --> 02:09:05,280
Speaker 3: again right now? You're just willing? Oh, you know, the

2783
02:09:05,320 --> 02:09:07,960
Speaker 3: computers are great, They're great. Yeah, they have a time

2784
02:09:09,160 --> 02:09:12,640
Speaker 3: all right, Luke. I scotured the globe from the airport

2785
02:09:12,720 --> 02:09:16,920
Speaker 3: yesterday to give you a snapshot of the good, the bad,

2786
02:09:17,000 --> 02:09:20,360
Speaker 3: the ugly, the highs and lows from combat sports and beyond.

2787
02:09:20,400 --> 02:09:22,800
Speaker 3: And by beyond, Luke, I mean a wedding in Charleston,

2788
02:09:22,800 --> 02:09:25,640
Speaker 3: South Carolina. This is Have you seen this shit?

2789
02:09:26,120 --> 02:09:27,840
Speaker 2: Have you seen this shit?

2790
02:09:28,880 --> 02:09:33,040
Speaker 3: Oh god, ow ow Luke. We start in Charleston, one

2791
02:09:33,040 --> 02:09:34,800
Speaker 3: of the best weddings I've ever been to. Shout out

2792
02:09:34,840 --> 02:09:38,560
Speaker 3: to cousin Mike Campbell for having me among the groomsmen, Luke.

2793
02:09:38,920 --> 02:09:41,800
Speaker 3: Look at that. That's Mike on the left, the handsome dude.

2794
02:09:42,200 --> 02:09:45,120
Speaker 3: And this was a he works for Dale Junior at

2795
02:09:45,160 --> 02:09:47,040
Speaker 3: JR Motorsports as a PR guy, so a lot of

2796
02:09:47,120 --> 02:09:50,160
Speaker 3: Nascar at this wedding. We had Cole Custer, Tyler Reddick.

2797
02:09:50,200 --> 02:09:52,160
Speaker 3: But you could see in the middle me hamming it

2798
02:09:52,240 --> 02:09:53,760
Speaker 3: up with one Bubba Wallace. Luke.

2799
02:09:53,800 --> 02:09:56,320
Speaker 2: How about this, right dude. Bubble Wallace got a thick

2800
02:09:56,360 --> 02:09:57,800
Speaker 2: ass nick Yep.

2801
02:09:58,160 --> 02:10:00,160
Speaker 3: You can see, Luke, thanks to Joseph A Bank of

2802
02:10:00,160 --> 02:10:02,440
Speaker 3: West Harford, Connecticut that I got the wrong tie, but

2803
02:10:02,720 --> 02:10:05,120
Speaker 3: I still fit in well with this group. Brandon mcgrenold

2804
02:10:05,120 --> 02:10:06,880
Speaker 3: shout out. And the guy in the right, the ball guy, Luke,

2805
02:10:07,040 --> 02:10:09,920
Speaker 3: the only bald Campbell they ever made. Cousin Connor got

2806
02:10:09,920 --> 02:10:12,400
Speaker 3: the dog in him. Mar So, Luke, you know what

2807
02:10:12,480 --> 02:10:15,600
Speaker 3: a weekend, right, weddings remind you how much you actually

2808
02:10:15,600 --> 02:10:17,560
Speaker 3: do love your family and that you know, you can

2809
02:10:17,600 --> 02:10:19,720
Speaker 3: press pause once in a while from work. But uh,

2810
02:10:20,360 --> 02:10:22,400
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Luke, I was I was

2811
02:10:22,480 --> 02:10:25,920
Speaker 3: rolling elbow robbing elbows with some rubbins racing down there.

2812
02:10:25,960 --> 02:10:27,280
Speaker 3: It was good, good times, great oldies.

2813
02:10:27,320 --> 02:10:28,960
Speaker 2: So you see it, good to see it.

2814
02:10:29,440 --> 02:10:32,240
Speaker 3: That's my family, Luke. Let's see yours. Topic two takes

2815
02:10:32,320 --> 02:10:34,920
Speaker 3: us to UFC two eighty two, but before then, let's

2816
02:10:34,960 --> 02:10:35,800
Speaker 3: listen in on h Q.

2817
02:10:36,240 --> 02:10:42,120
Speaker 2: Sorry, hey, look at this everyone, She just walked on in.

2818
02:10:42,360 --> 02:10:45,520
Speaker 2: Sorry about that. Okay, why don't you go on out there?

2819
02:10:45,520 --> 02:10:48,480
Speaker 2: Pay We can fix that later. Yeah, yeah, you're welcome.

2820
02:10:48,560 --> 02:10:49,680
Speaker 2: All right, Sorry.

2821
02:10:49,440 --> 02:10:55,240
Speaker 3: About that, Luke, you looked a little overwhelmed there by

2822
02:10:55,240 --> 02:10:57,120
Speaker 3: two key Thomas, did you play this on Friday show?

2823
02:10:57,760 --> 02:11:00,920
Speaker 2: Uh? That was actually on Friday night? That was that

2824
02:11:01,080 --> 02:11:03,760
Speaker 2: was like six thirty six thirty hit for them, So

2825
02:11:03,800 --> 02:11:04,760
Speaker 2: that was the show.

2826
02:11:04,840 --> 02:11:07,040
Speaker 3: We got to talk about this one. People wanted her

2827
02:11:07,040 --> 02:11:09,040
Speaker 3: prediction on pimble A Gordon and she didn't give it.

2828
02:11:09,080 --> 02:11:11,960
Speaker 3: But two, you know, can we get a lock? Can

2829
02:11:11,960 --> 02:11:13,600
Speaker 3: we get a lock on the office door here, Luke.

2830
02:11:14,080 --> 02:11:16,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I forgot to lock it because I here's the problem.

2831
02:11:16,840 --> 02:11:20,120
Speaker 2: I normally would lock it, but they came home early.

2832
02:11:21,440 --> 02:11:23,320
Speaker 2: She was acting up at the place they were at,

2833
02:11:23,360 --> 02:11:25,920
Speaker 2: so they came home early and I wasn't expecting them,

2834
02:11:26,200 --> 02:11:28,680
Speaker 2: and so that was why it was unlocked. And she

2835
02:11:28,840 --> 02:11:31,200
Speaker 2: just barged right on in. My wife just letting her go,

2836
02:11:31,400 --> 02:11:34,480
Speaker 2: like you know, just a fart in the breeze, just

2837
02:11:34,560 --> 02:11:37,640
Speaker 2: let her, just let her go and ran right to

2838
02:11:37,680 --> 02:11:38,000
Speaker 2: the door.

2839
02:11:38,280 --> 02:11:40,760
Speaker 3: One day she will replace me as ghost. I know

2840
02:11:40,840 --> 02:11:42,720
Speaker 3: this is where it's going, Luke, but I'm here for it,

2841
02:11:43,240 --> 02:11:45,520
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Speaking of UFC two eighty two,

2842
02:11:45,760 --> 02:11:48,640
Speaker 3: here's Patty Pimble at the press conference after his disputed

2843
02:11:48,640 --> 02:11:49,240
Speaker 3: decision win.

2844
02:11:50,520 --> 02:11:52,480
Speaker 5: When you look back on the ES three books, I've

2845
02:11:52,520 --> 02:11:54,920
Speaker 5: got the little vimok next to my name with a W.

2846
02:11:55,320 --> 02:12:02,480
Speaker 5: So everyone else can shook me Ashole, Luke.

2847
02:12:02,520 --> 02:12:06,280
Speaker 3: If you're interested, you can suck his huge geney.

2848
02:12:06,680 --> 02:12:07,880
Speaker 2: That's a weird thing.

2849
02:12:08,520 --> 02:12:12,240
Speaker 3: Did you watch the Calbastis fight Companion Rempage Jackson was

2850
02:12:12,280 --> 02:12:15,880
Speaker 3: talking about that topic a lot. Look how much he

2851
02:12:15,920 --> 02:12:17,760
Speaker 3: loves eating ass and he loves being on the other

2852
02:12:17,880 --> 02:12:19,080
Speaker 3: end of that salad too, Luke.

2853
02:12:19,120 --> 02:12:21,960
Speaker 2: All right, so that's just that's just a horrifying thought.

2854
02:12:22,040 --> 02:12:24,120
Speaker 3: Cron ash man there, But if you've got a problem

2855
02:12:24,160 --> 02:12:26,720
Speaker 3: with Patty, you can eat he heh. Hell's all right,

2856
02:12:26,800 --> 02:12:29,839
Speaker 3: let's keep it going here, Luke. Here's teenager Roul Rosas

2857
02:12:29,920 --> 02:12:34,920
Speaker 3: Junior after his big win. Hey, fifty gs. I would

2858
02:12:34,920 --> 02:12:37,520
Speaker 3: ask Hanna cost, but I don't know. I'm Tina cost

2859
02:12:37,560 --> 02:12:39,440
Speaker 3: can give him to me right now, throw this pipe,

2860
02:12:39,920 --> 02:12:43,320
Speaker 3: But hey, I need that fifty g's sot him buy

2861
02:12:43,880 --> 02:12:46,120
Speaker 3: my mother a mini bang and she can give me

2862
02:12:46,200 --> 02:12:52,840
Speaker 3: a ride to the Pio. Luke, is the next move

2863
02:12:52,920 --> 02:12:56,080
Speaker 3: to uh drop an milk boy's bag inside like an

2864
02:12:56,200 --> 02:13:00,400
Speaker 3: eighty nine Dodge caravan and give his mama to the

2865
02:13:00,440 --> 02:13:01,920
Speaker 3: p I mean the kid just wants to be able

2866
02:13:01,920 --> 02:13:04,080
Speaker 3: to work out for free, Luke. Yeah.

2867
02:13:04,120 --> 02:13:06,720
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think he's gonna get the milk

2868
02:13:06,800 --> 02:13:09,040
Speaker 2: boy's bag in the eighty nine Dodge Omni, but they

2869
02:13:09,120 --> 02:13:10,760
Speaker 2: might give him the eighty nine Dodge Omni.

2870
02:13:11,320 --> 02:13:13,280
Speaker 3: All right, there you go shout out. I mean, look,

2871
02:13:13,280 --> 02:13:15,240
Speaker 3: he's asking for it, give it to him. Let's also

2872
02:13:15,280 --> 02:13:17,040
Speaker 3: hear from Yan Belohovich. I got a lot of respect

2873
02:13:17,040 --> 02:13:18,760
Speaker 3: for this move. This is after the decision.

2874
02:13:20,120 --> 02:13:22,280
Speaker 2: I don't know what to say. I won that fight.

2875
02:13:22,480 --> 02:13:24,480
Speaker 2: Why didn't I get my belt? I don't know what

2876
02:13:24,640 --> 02:13:25,000
Speaker 2: to say.

2877
02:13:27,080 --> 02:13:29,240
Speaker 3: Your legs were compromised, y'all?

2878
02:13:29,360 --> 02:13:32,600
Speaker 2: Give the bell the uncle you know you think is

2879
02:13:32,640 --> 02:13:33,560
Speaker 2: he should get in the belt.

2880
02:13:33,800 --> 02:13:37,440
Speaker 3: I agree, yeah, But look, yan Behovich is an honorable man.

2881
02:13:37,520 --> 02:13:40,360
Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen. How about a roundoplous for yan Behovich?

2882
02:13:44,360 --> 02:13:46,640
Speaker 3: I'm serious, Luke. You don't see that often. That's a

2883
02:13:46,720 --> 02:13:47,680
Speaker 3: class move right there.

2884
02:13:47,840 --> 02:13:52,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, between him and YERI like showing character as sportsman.

2885
02:13:52,800 --> 02:13:54,160
Speaker 2: You gotta love it, all right.

2886
02:13:54,240 --> 02:13:56,480
Speaker 3: You know who showed character inside the cage for twenty

2887
02:13:56,520 --> 02:14:00,320
Speaker 3: three seconds? It was Jay or Zenio Rosenstrup and the

2888
02:14:00,440 --> 02:14:03,280
Speaker 3: Daalkas family. Back to hell unfortunately, Luke, were you impressed

2889
02:14:03,280 --> 02:14:03,480
Speaker 3: by this?

2890
02:14:04,240 --> 02:14:06,160
Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't know. I kind of felt like this

2891
02:14:06,320 --> 02:14:08,440
Speaker 2: was coming because he's a great counter striker and he's

2892
02:14:08,600 --> 02:14:10,320
Speaker 2: very accurate. Dude.

2893
02:14:10,320 --> 02:14:12,640
Speaker 3: How about that running left hook that looked like Stepe

2894
02:14:12,640 --> 02:14:13,840
Speaker 3: against Verdom.

2895
02:14:13,600 --> 02:14:15,440
Speaker 2: Right, almost like a Superman punch.

2896
02:14:15,560 --> 02:14:18,560
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, good shit right there. Damn he needed that

2897
02:14:18,680 --> 02:14:20,760
Speaker 3: win too, and he got it. Okay, that's what that's

2898
02:14:20,760 --> 02:14:22,800
Speaker 3: the kind of man he is. Let's keep it going,

2899
02:14:22,840 --> 02:14:25,360
Speaker 3: looke deep on the undercart. Speaking of young hammers, here's

2900
02:14:25,400 --> 02:14:28,160
Speaker 3: twenty year old Cameron Simon Samon.

2901
02:14:29,040 --> 02:14:30,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had it all mute, so I didn't hear

2902
02:14:30,640 --> 02:14:31,720
Speaker 2: how they pronounced his name.

2903
02:14:32,240 --> 02:14:34,720
Speaker 3: He proved a seven and oh with this TKO. But dude,

2904
02:14:34,720 --> 02:14:35,520
Speaker 3: that was pretty nasty.

2905
02:14:35,560 --> 02:14:38,360
Speaker 2: Those kneeds and he looked like he had been down

2906
02:14:39,000 --> 02:14:40,440
Speaker 2: early in the fight, like he had to kind of

2907
02:14:40,520 --> 02:14:43,160
Speaker 2: rally a little bit. He looked good. Uh, South African kid.

2908
02:14:43,480 --> 02:14:45,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, future hammer in the waiting. Here, let's go to

2909
02:14:45,880 --> 02:14:48,920
Speaker 3: Belator two eighty nine from the Mohegan Sun. Here's Rafaon

2910
02:14:49,000 --> 02:14:51,000
Speaker 3: Stotts after Sabotello left the cage.

2911
02:14:52,560 --> 02:15:01,040
Speaker 2: Let me no, no, no, good.

2912
02:15:07,960 --> 02:15:12,520
Speaker 3: Fuck you Stello. That ship was terrible. Look I love

2913
02:15:12,640 --> 02:15:13,880
Speaker 3: me some. Raffe On Statts Worthy.

2914
02:15:13,920 --> 02:15:16,000
Speaker 2: It's a pretty good impression. That's a pretty good impression.

2915
02:15:16,000 --> 02:15:18,920
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you. That that was pretty funny. Dude,

2916
02:15:19,520 --> 02:15:20,000
Speaker 3: was that cringe?

2917
02:15:20,360 --> 02:15:21,960
Speaker 2: I'm a little bit off key in that one. A

2918
02:15:21,960 --> 02:15:22,720
Speaker 2: little bit off key?

2919
02:15:22,880 --> 02:15:25,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, shout out to Rafa on Statts's dad

2920
02:15:25,560 --> 02:15:28,080
Speaker 3: cage side there, living it living it up. Let's let's

2921
02:15:28,160 --> 02:15:30,760
Speaker 3: let's gowk at patchy mixed, just being incredible Luke. Here

2922
02:15:30,880 --> 02:15:32,000
Speaker 3: was the finish on Malcolmed.

2923
02:15:32,400 --> 02:15:35,760
Speaker 2: Dude, look at this guillotine. It's almost like a Ana conda.

2924
02:15:36,040 --> 02:15:37,480
Speaker 2: It's sort of working the same way.

2925
02:15:37,640 --> 02:15:39,840
Speaker 3: But so how key is trapping the leg right there?

2926
02:15:40,400 --> 02:15:43,200
Speaker 2: Very cute. It prevents them from rolling away. Like think

2927
02:15:43,240 --> 02:15:45,920
Speaker 2: about the pressure right the head is being turned upside down.

2928
02:15:46,360 --> 02:15:48,320
Speaker 2: If he didn't have the leg, he could just walk

2929
02:15:48,400 --> 02:15:51,120
Speaker 2: his body to the other end and reduce virtually all

2930
02:15:51,160 --> 02:15:52,960
Speaker 2: of the pressure or just a good portion of it

2931
02:15:53,600 --> 02:15:55,760
Speaker 2: on the choke. He could just move his body around it.

2932
02:15:55,880 --> 02:15:58,280
Speaker 2: I mean, that's why a choking and then having a

2933
02:15:58,480 --> 02:16:01,240
Speaker 2: person's body under control is important. I've got the body

2934
02:16:01,280 --> 02:16:03,760
Speaker 2: controlled now I can sort of, like, you know, go

2935
02:16:03,920 --> 02:16:05,680
Speaker 2: for the choke. But if you don't have it, it's

2936
02:16:05,680 --> 02:16:08,560
Speaker 2: not so good. But trapping that leg, damn look out.

2937
02:16:08,640 --> 02:16:09,480
Speaker 2: Let me look at the results.

2938
02:16:10,800 --> 02:16:13,680
Speaker 3: Also, wild Man pat Downey, Luke Wrestling's bad Boy took

2939
02:16:13,680 --> 02:16:15,200
Speaker 3: his cage.

2940
02:16:15,440 --> 02:16:16,600
Speaker 2: Not Hammer of the Month.

2941
02:16:16,920 --> 02:16:20,080
Speaker 3: Here's Christian Echels putting pet in his wild hair away.

2942
02:16:20,800 --> 02:16:24,720
Speaker 2: Dude. Pat Downey was minus twenty five hundred to win

2943
02:16:24,800 --> 02:16:27,560
Speaker 2: this fight. Why was he so tired two and a

2944
02:16:27,600 --> 02:16:30,480
Speaker 2: half minutes into round one? I don't understand I don't know.

2945
02:16:30,760 --> 02:16:32,640
Speaker 3: I wish I had the guy's name. Somebody DM me.

2946
02:16:32,680 --> 02:16:34,120
Speaker 3: They're like, yo, I went to high school with Pat.

2947
02:16:34,240 --> 02:16:36,680
Speaker 3: Here's like seven insane stories about what it was like,

2948
02:16:36,760 --> 02:16:39,360
Speaker 3: and I was like, damn dude, right.

2949
02:16:39,920 --> 02:16:42,320
Speaker 2: Someone says he had his dog at the Fighter Hotel.

2950
02:16:45,240 --> 02:16:47,480
Speaker 2: John Jones did that one. John Jones did that one.

2951
02:16:47,840 --> 02:16:50,480
Speaker 3: Let's go to the Boxing Weekend recap, so looke, here

2952
02:16:50,600 --> 02:16:53,080
Speaker 3: was the face off between Tao Femo and Sandor Martin

2953
02:16:53,120 --> 02:16:55,880
Speaker 3: a couple of days before the fight. Let's listen in Okay,

2954
02:16:55,959 --> 02:16:56,640
Speaker 3: it's coming.

2955
02:16:59,480 --> 02:17:10,000
Speaker 5: Goodness and needless check.

2956
02:17:15,640 --> 02:17:16,279
Speaker 2: And I guess.

2957
02:17:24,360 --> 02:17:26,800
Speaker 3: I don't know. In hindsight, should we have realized Sandor

2958
02:17:26,920 --> 02:17:27,240
Speaker 3: was for real?

2959
02:17:27,280 --> 02:17:30,360
Speaker 2: After that moment, Luke, I couldn't hear a word. He said, yeah, I.

2960
02:17:30,360 --> 02:17:32,200
Speaker 3: Think it was more about the faces. It almost looked

2961
02:17:32,200 --> 02:17:34,280
Speaker 3: like tale Femo started happy and then slowly he was

2962
02:17:34,360 --> 02:17:38,959
Speaker 3: just like, it was interesting, But here is Martin. Yeah

2963
02:17:39,000 --> 02:17:41,000
Speaker 3: it was in Spanish anyways, this gaff would tell us.

2964
02:17:41,040 --> 02:17:44,000
Speaker 3: So I don't understand that, Luke. But here's Martin dropping

2965
02:17:44,120 --> 02:17:49,360
Speaker 3: Tale FuMO around to the Martine. So they called it

2966
02:17:49,440 --> 02:17:51,240
Speaker 3: a slip on the broadcast. We look you look at

2967
02:17:51,240 --> 02:17:52,920
Speaker 3: the replace. He got he got check hooked there. It

2968
02:17:53,040 --> 02:17:53,880
Speaker 3: was like a poll counter.

2969
02:17:54,400 --> 02:17:56,480
Speaker 2: He did, he did. He came around the corner. Now

2970
02:17:56,800 --> 02:17:59,080
Speaker 2: he was moving forward, so some of it might be

2971
02:17:59,160 --> 02:18:00,920
Speaker 2: off balancing, but he got hit with a shot and

2972
02:18:01,000 --> 02:18:03,320
Speaker 2: he tripped, like all.

2973
02:18:03,280 --> 02:18:07,400
Speaker 3: Right, Luke. As a PostScript, PostScript to us being concerned

2974
02:18:07,400 --> 02:18:09,279
Speaker 3: here about Tao Fema, I want you to listen closely

2975
02:18:09,320 --> 02:18:10,920
Speaker 3: about what the camera picked up after the fight.

2976
02:18:12,680 --> 02:18:13,199
Speaker 5: I still.

2977
02:18:15,560 --> 02:18:19,840
Speaker 6: Do I still yeah?

2978
02:18:25,120 --> 02:18:26,160
Speaker 2: I still got it? Is that what he says?

2979
02:18:26,240 --> 02:18:28,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's straight up saying to his team with the

2980
02:18:28,160 --> 02:18:30,920
Speaker 3: camera on him, do I still have it? So, Luke,

2981
02:18:31,000 --> 02:18:33,680
Speaker 3: he did his celebratory backflip like he always does on

2982
02:18:33,760 --> 02:18:36,440
Speaker 3: Heisman night, wearing the jersey of the Heisman winner from

2983
02:18:36,520 --> 02:18:39,000
Speaker 3: hours before, but he barely stuck the landing, and it

2984
02:18:39,080 --> 02:18:42,119
Speaker 3: was kind of like a you know, unfortunately an image

2985
02:18:42,160 --> 02:18:43,840
Speaker 3: of maybe where he's really at. I mean, I I

2986
02:18:43,840 --> 02:18:45,560
Speaker 3: don't you know if you heard that before, an elite

2987
02:18:45,600 --> 02:18:48,000
Speaker 3: fighter looking into the camera being like, man, dom I

2988
02:18:48,160 --> 02:18:49,680
Speaker 3: am I still that good? Do I still have it?

2989
02:18:50,000 --> 02:18:53,640
Speaker 2: And he's twenty four, you know, damn on the undertip

2990
02:18:53,680 --> 02:18:55,520
Speaker 2: by the way, the kid who won the Heisman from

2991
02:18:55,760 --> 02:18:56,480
Speaker 2: Washington d C.

2992
02:18:56,879 --> 02:18:59,759
Speaker 3: That's what I'm talking about yep, DC propably.

2993
02:18:59,360 --> 02:19:01,640
Speaker 2: And like d C. He went to Gunzaga High School,

2994
02:19:01,640 --> 02:19:03,040
Speaker 2: which is just down North Capitol Street.

2995
02:19:03,120 --> 02:19:05,680
Speaker 3: A lot of DC Proper shirts at the Baltimore Airport

2996
02:19:05,760 --> 02:19:09,000
Speaker 3: this weekend. Luke, Okay, saw it, saw it bro. Here's

2997
02:19:09,080 --> 02:19:11,480
Speaker 3: Jared big Baby Anderson. He was on the top rank undercard.

2998
02:19:11,480 --> 02:19:14,840
Speaker 3: He's looking like the best young American heavyweight prospect. But

2999
02:19:14,920 --> 02:19:17,360
Speaker 3: here's his walkout. Luke, you down for this?

3000
02:19:17,840 --> 02:19:22,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of am. I'm all about grinches. He

3001
02:19:22,320 --> 02:19:25,199
Speaker 2: would improve, especially like dancing grinches.

3002
02:19:25,720 --> 02:19:27,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, he beat up a guy he should have. But Luke,

3003
02:19:27,440 --> 02:19:29,400
Speaker 3: he's looking good. All knockouts in every one of his

3004
02:19:29,520 --> 02:19:32,400
Speaker 3: win He's big baby. Jared Anderson's looking like he's coming on.

3005
02:19:32,840 --> 02:19:35,760
Speaker 3: Here's Bud Crawford and omah, as we mentioned, here's the stoppage,

3006
02:19:35,760 --> 02:19:38,280
Speaker 3: a good one against David Aveneston in round six.

3007
02:19:38,840 --> 02:19:41,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Bud's precision here is he just catches

3008
02:19:41,800 --> 02:19:43,959
Speaker 2: and shoots? Oh my lord is wow?

3009
02:19:45,120 --> 02:19:47,120
Speaker 3: I mean, look, no one's doubting it. He's still got it.

3010
02:19:47,200 --> 02:19:47,400
Speaker 2: Dude.

3011
02:19:47,400 --> 02:19:49,720
Speaker 3: Okay, we love I mean seriously as a fighter, loved

3012
02:19:49,760 --> 02:19:52,840
Speaker 3: me some Bud Crawford. But hey, I guess make make

3013
02:19:52,920 --> 02:19:54,600
Speaker 3: that money player right ten million bro.

3014
02:19:54,920 --> 02:19:57,080
Speaker 2: I haven't seen the clip yet, but Chris al Jerry

3015
02:19:57,200 --> 02:20:01,959
Speaker 2: said if he approached if Bud approached the Spence fight

3016
02:20:02,040 --> 02:20:04,720
Speaker 2: with the style he used here, yeah he would get

3017
02:20:04,879 --> 02:20:05,720
Speaker 2: he would get run over.

3018
02:20:06,720 --> 02:20:10,720
Speaker 3: Interesting Manny Pacquiao was back, Luke in Asia here boxing

3019
02:20:10,800 --> 02:20:15,240
Speaker 3: YouTuber DK you he drops you here in round five?

3020
02:20:15,360 --> 02:20:17,600
Speaker 3: It would go the distance over six, Luke, I didn't

3021
02:20:17,600 --> 02:20:19,320
Speaker 3: watch it. I don't know if he was carrying you.

3022
02:20:20,520 --> 02:20:22,840
Speaker 3: I don't know if you care about him beating you.

3023
02:20:23,440 --> 02:20:25,119
Speaker 3: But did you hear that? The forty four year old

3024
02:20:25,120 --> 02:20:27,840
Speaker 3: afterwards said yeah, guys, I'm back. Gimme Spence, gimme Crawford.

3025
02:20:27,959 --> 02:20:30,560
Speaker 3: I'm back. I told you that moment was coming. Luke,

3026
02:20:31,000 --> 02:20:31,480
Speaker 3: he's back.

3027
02:20:31,600 --> 02:20:34,080
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I have zero interest and I hope that

3028
02:20:34,200 --> 02:20:37,480
Speaker 2: there is no Athletic commission whos saying all right, I don't.

3029
02:20:37,280 --> 02:20:39,840
Speaker 3: Want him against either Spence or Crawford. I think the

3030
02:20:39,959 --> 02:20:43,600
Speaker 3: Ugas fight showed us something, but dude, him against Dravante

3031
02:20:43,760 --> 02:20:45,160
Speaker 3: is still the fight I want. Why am I the

3032
02:20:45,200 --> 02:20:47,279
Speaker 3: only one in the world that thinks that's great matchmaking?

3033
02:20:47,400 --> 02:20:49,920
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, no, thanks, I'm good all right.

3034
02:20:50,000 --> 02:20:52,280
Speaker 3: Boxing had a lot going on outside the ring this weekend. Luke,

3035
02:20:52,320 --> 02:20:54,960
Speaker 3: Here's an Instagram live from Errol Spence Junior. He was

3036
02:20:55,000 --> 02:20:57,440
Speaker 3: in an accident. A fourteen year old stole a car

3037
02:20:57,959 --> 02:21:01,720
Speaker 3: and hit him. Stole their parents' car. Luckily Spence is okay.

3038
02:21:01,800 --> 02:21:04,720
Speaker 3: But Luke, let's watch this video. Scary, bro scary.

3039
02:21:09,959 --> 02:21:13,560
Speaker 2: He ran the light. Damn a.

3040
02:21:19,240 --> 02:21:22,080
Speaker 3: Man, you don't matter.

3041
02:21:26,440 --> 02:21:27,360
Speaker 2: Oh he hadn't me.

3042
02:21:29,640 --> 02:21:30,400
Speaker 5: Not seeing.

3043
02:21:34,320 --> 02:21:34,480
Speaker 2: Luke.

3044
02:21:34,520 --> 02:21:36,760
Speaker 3: It was good to see him, you know, making light

3045
02:21:36,840 --> 02:21:38,760
Speaker 3: of it, although it seemed like he was john with

3046
02:21:38,840 --> 02:21:40,920
Speaker 3: a bystander there. But damn dude, right.

3047
02:21:42,320 --> 02:21:44,360
Speaker 2: This guy, trouble seems to follow him.

3048
02:21:44,440 --> 02:21:46,840
Speaker 3: Man, I mean, I'm not. No one's saying this is

3049
02:21:46,879 --> 02:21:48,760
Speaker 3: his fault. A fourteen year old stole a car, ran

3050
02:21:48,800 --> 02:21:50,160
Speaker 3: a red light and crashed into him.

3051
02:21:50,200 --> 02:21:52,520
Speaker 2: But that's you know, that's yea. I'm not saying, yeah,

3052
02:21:52,560 --> 02:21:54,480
Speaker 2: I'm not it's not his fault, but I'm saying, like,

3053
02:21:54,520 --> 02:21:56,920
Speaker 2: trouble seems to follow him, Luke.

3054
02:21:56,959 --> 02:21:59,640
Speaker 3: Adrian Broner was at the UH did a press conference

3055
02:21:59,680 --> 02:22:03,320
Speaker 3: with b Ok Prime before Crawford Aveneesan, which he announced

3056
02:22:03,320 --> 02:22:06,760
Speaker 3: will be boxing i'van Redcotch in February. But damn dude,

3057
02:22:06,800 --> 02:22:08,200
Speaker 3: what's ab Beenean lately?

3058
02:22:08,560 --> 02:22:09,920
Speaker 2: I don't know is he gonna be on the Biggest

3059
02:22:09,959 --> 02:22:10,760
Speaker 2: Loser before then?

3060
02:22:12,760 --> 02:22:15,200
Speaker 3: So look, the story is that he's been talking trash

3061
02:22:15,280 --> 02:22:17,640
Speaker 3: to the media, to all PBC fighters, saying they need

3062
02:22:17,720 --> 02:22:19,960
Speaker 3: to get out. But I mean, I hope that check

3063
02:22:20,040 --> 02:22:20,560
Speaker 3: clears dude.

3064
02:22:20,600 --> 02:22:24,840
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, poor Adrian. I don't even know what

3065
02:22:24,879 --> 02:22:26,520
Speaker 2: to say about it anymore. All right.

3066
02:22:26,640 --> 02:22:28,760
Speaker 3: Your nickname of the week comes from Friday's rough and

3067
02:22:28,840 --> 02:22:31,119
Speaker 3: Rowdy card Luke. Let's look at this. Here is Casey

3068
02:22:32,480 --> 02:22:34,760
Speaker 3: I E ass Dale And.

3069
02:22:34,800 --> 02:22:38,240
Speaker 2: In case you weren't aware, uh, he puts it on

3070
02:22:38,360 --> 02:22:40,640
Speaker 2: his chest also as a sort of a quote Joe

3071
02:22:40,760 --> 02:22:43,160
Speaker 2: Rogan elon Musk and Dave Portnoy eat ass as well.

3072
02:22:43,280 --> 02:22:46,160
Speaker 2: Yeah that's okay, donna care to learn.

3073
02:22:46,240 --> 02:22:48,880
Speaker 3: But he has a temporary tattoo on his left peck

3074
02:22:49,080 --> 02:22:52,160
Speaker 3: that says I e s similar to like Goldenpalace dot

3075
02:22:52,240 --> 02:22:54,560
Speaker 3: com on Bernard Hopkins's back back in the day.

3076
02:22:54,560 --> 02:22:56,760
Speaker 2: A gentleman. If he wasn't doing this, he'd be stealing

3077
02:22:56,800 --> 02:22:58,760
Speaker 2: car stereos. So you know, just let him happen.

3078
02:22:58,879 --> 02:23:01,240
Speaker 3: Not that not bad, hey. Your crowdfight of the Week

3079
02:23:01,320 --> 02:23:04,560
Speaker 3: comes from the NHL game involving the Coyotes at Bruins.

3080
02:23:04,600 --> 02:23:08,400
Speaker 3: Let's enjoy this. Oh shit.

3081
02:23:10,959 --> 02:23:14,120
Speaker 2: You know, I don't think hockey fans, well that's not true.

3082
02:23:14,280 --> 02:23:17,320
Speaker 2: Like in certain markets, hockey fans are worse than NFL fans,

3083
02:23:18,280 --> 02:23:20,680
Speaker 2: like Flyers fans do there every time I've gone to

3084
02:23:20,720 --> 02:23:23,640
Speaker 2: a Flyers, Oh, I hit that woman, just hit that

3085
02:23:23,760 --> 02:23:26,199
Speaker 2: girl down. Yeah, and then he just falls on top.

3086
02:23:26,320 --> 02:23:27,720
Speaker 2: Oh man, he just decked her.

3087
02:23:27,920 --> 02:23:29,879
Speaker 3: You know, she's wearing a Gronk jersey. She's okay, though,

3088
02:23:29,920 --> 02:23:30,360
Speaker 3: she's okay.

3089
02:23:31,520 --> 02:23:34,720
Speaker 2: Here comes the cops. Watch him just bodysurf Ah wow,

3090
02:23:34,879 --> 02:23:37,280
Speaker 2: look at these horse Oh come on.

3091
02:23:37,480 --> 02:23:39,720
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, she may have been miscuous in

3092
02:23:39,760 --> 02:23:40,800
Speaker 3: her day, but that's what I'm saying.

3093
02:23:41,040 --> 02:23:42,440
Speaker 2: The cops said, not what I said.

3094
02:23:42,600 --> 02:23:45,879
Speaker 3: All right, all right, all right, uh luke. We always escalate.

3095
02:23:46,080 --> 02:23:48,560
Speaker 3: How how you can get higher in a more fun way.

3096
02:23:48,720 --> 02:23:51,840
Speaker 3: Here's how you get high camping. Look you into this. Yes,

3097
02:23:54,800 --> 02:23:58,520
Speaker 3: nothing says America like a flag shirt and a and

3098
02:23:58,680 --> 02:24:00,440
Speaker 3: a and a ten.

3099
02:24:01,120 --> 02:24:03,080
Speaker 2: There's a bear shit in the woods, and my interested

3100
02:24:03,120 --> 02:24:04,040
Speaker 2: what kind of question is this?

3101
02:24:07,200 --> 02:24:09,680
Speaker 3: How quickly would you pass out? Hopefully instantly?

3102
02:24:10,200 --> 02:24:11,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, not quick enough.

3103
02:24:13,160 --> 02:24:14,840
Speaker 3: Oh look do you remember that time speaking of the

3104
02:24:14,879 --> 02:24:17,800
Speaker 3: World MMA Awards, Remember that time at last Year's when

3105
02:24:18,280 --> 02:24:21,000
Speaker 3: Brett o Kamoto accosted us and he was drunk and

3106
02:24:21,080 --> 02:24:24,520
Speaker 3: ship and he was like he was so here's a

3107
02:24:24,600 --> 02:24:28,240
Speaker 3: story from Oscar Willis on his MacLife pod with Dan Hooker.

3108
02:24:29,200 --> 02:24:32,800
Speaker 3: It was it was funny because I couldn't hear the

3109
02:24:32,879 --> 02:24:34,800
Speaker 3: crowd really, like you get so in it you couldn't

3110
02:24:34,800 --> 02:24:35,280
Speaker 3: really hear it.

3111
02:24:36,360 --> 02:24:36,480
Speaker 2: Uh.

3112
02:24:36,879 --> 02:24:38,480
Speaker 3: And then Brett Okamoto was there.

3113
02:24:38,600 --> 02:24:39,480
Speaker 2: He was so hammered.

3114
02:24:39,640 --> 02:24:42,280
Speaker 3: He just came and got in my corner in between rounds.

3115
02:24:42,320 --> 02:24:45,000
Speaker 3: I was like, fucking kill him, kill him, and I

3116
02:24:45,080 --> 02:24:47,640
Speaker 3: had to go to shut up. I actually had to

3117
02:24:47,680 --> 02:24:49,720
Speaker 3: say to him, dude, I can't like you're just being

3118
02:24:49,760 --> 02:24:50,400
Speaker 3: so loud right.

3119
02:24:50,360 --> 02:24:56,800
Speaker 2: Now, Bret, Like we got a party with Oaks.

3120
02:24:58,920 --> 02:25:01,840
Speaker 3: Broke Kamoto maybe better looking than all of us, Luke,

3121
02:25:01,920 --> 02:25:04,240
Speaker 3: but can this guy handle his liquor or one? Because

3122
02:25:04,240 --> 02:25:06,040
Speaker 3: he basically said the same thing. Does I hope you

3123
02:25:06,120 --> 02:25:06,640
Speaker 3: guys win?

3124
02:25:07,080 --> 02:25:07,280
Speaker 5: Yeah?

3125
02:25:07,800 --> 02:25:10,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude. He had that look where like he was

3126
02:25:10,520 --> 02:25:13,560
Speaker 2: gonna be the guy who could assure you with glassy

3127
02:25:13,640 --> 02:25:15,560
Speaker 2: eyes that he could drive home no problem. I mean,

3128
02:25:15,560 --> 02:25:17,400
Speaker 2: I don't think he did drive home, but what I'm

3129
02:25:17,400 --> 02:25:19,560
Speaker 2: saying he had He's got that kind of energy like

3130
02:25:19,720 --> 02:25:22,760
Speaker 2: I can drive home. Shut your mouth, you know.

3131
02:25:23,200 --> 02:25:26,200
Speaker 3: Of course that was Oscar Willis referencing his uh look,

3132
02:25:26,240 --> 02:25:27,840
Speaker 3: he was part of that program, right that went to

3133
02:25:27,920 --> 02:25:31,080
Speaker 3: Warrior what do they call it now, Ultra Ultra. Yeah,

3134
02:25:31,120 --> 02:25:32,480
Speaker 3: he was part of that program. And of course we

3135
02:25:32,560 --> 02:25:35,199
Speaker 3: saw that video of him winning his amateur debut shout

3136
02:25:35,240 --> 02:25:38,600
Speaker 3: out despite Brett getting in his way. Look, it's Christmas

3137
02:25:38,680 --> 02:25:42,720
Speaker 3: party time, holiday party, whatever you celebrate. Don Junior had

3138
02:25:42,760 --> 02:25:45,119
Speaker 3: a party at his house. He hired Kid Rock as

3139
02:25:45,320 --> 02:25:49,560
Speaker 3: DJ and entertainment tickle in the ivories here. Would you

3140
02:25:49,600 --> 02:25:50,240
Speaker 3: have been down for this?

3141
02:25:51,440 --> 02:25:54,240
Speaker 2: I would rather just have someone spit ebola into my

3142
02:25:54,320 --> 02:25:54,920
Speaker 2: fucking mouth.

3143
02:25:57,760 --> 02:26:00,320
Speaker 3: Magine just showing up to Don juniors Christmas party. Y know,

3144
02:26:00,400 --> 02:26:02,080
Speaker 3: we got Kid Rock over there spinning records.

3145
02:26:02,120 --> 02:26:04,800
Speaker 2: It's like okay, yeah, okay, I'd just be like, look,

3146
02:26:05,160 --> 02:26:08,120
Speaker 2: did Don Junior sniff all the coke yet? Or is

3147
02:26:08,160 --> 02:26:09,160
Speaker 2: there something for the rest of us?

3148
02:26:10,040 --> 02:26:13,279
Speaker 3: Wow? Wow, all right, Hey, it's time for MMA fighters

3149
02:26:13,320 --> 02:26:16,800
Speaker 3: in the wild. Luke. Here's Chuck Ledell at the at

3150
02:26:16,840 --> 02:26:21,000
Speaker 3: the Bat Company. Look at what point is he not

3151
02:26:21,080 --> 02:26:23,080
Speaker 3: allowed to wear that haircut and diet black?

3152
02:26:24,720 --> 02:26:27,160
Speaker 2: And also it's like, you know what's up with the

3153
02:26:27,640 --> 02:26:30,000
Speaker 2: what's up with the with the black eye there, Chucky.

3154
02:26:30,080 --> 02:26:33,240
Speaker 3: I mean, what do you think of his ability to

3155
02:26:33,280 --> 02:26:33,920
Speaker 3: take rips here?

3156
02:26:34,080 --> 02:26:34,280
Speaker 2: Luke?

3157
02:26:34,680 --> 02:26:39,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I mean he's still terrifying. But yeah, all right, Hey, I.

3158
02:26:39,720 --> 02:26:41,080
Speaker 2: Wouldn't I wouldn't test him.

3159
02:26:41,160 --> 02:26:44,039
Speaker 3: But you know, Luke, my live chat debuted last week

3160
02:26:44,080 --> 02:26:46,560
Speaker 3: and people asked me which UFC fighter would I most

3161
02:26:46,680 --> 02:26:48,920
Speaker 3: like to be able to see how good they can dunk?

3162
02:26:49,360 --> 02:26:51,600
Speaker 3: I said John Jones. But then people are like, nah, bra,

3163
02:26:51,760 --> 02:26:54,720
Speaker 3: there's footage of it. I found the footage. Here we go.

3164
02:26:54,879 --> 02:26:59,400
Speaker 3: It's from like a decade ago. That's John and the

3165
02:26:59,440 --> 02:26:59,879
Speaker 3: tank top.

3166
02:27:00,640 --> 02:27:02,440
Speaker 2: First of all, the other guy is tall as ship.

3167
02:27:02,480 --> 02:27:04,440
Speaker 2: Because John's my height are a little bit more.

3168
02:27:05,040 --> 02:27:09,440
Speaker 3: Oh oh oh Jesus, oh god.

3169
02:27:09,680 --> 02:27:09,800
Speaker 6: Uh.

3170
02:27:10,080 --> 02:27:11,959
Speaker 3: Gaff says that's Al Horford in the video.

3171
02:27:12,440 --> 02:27:14,440
Speaker 2: I was about to say, yeah, yeah, yeah, it is him.

3172
02:27:14,520 --> 02:27:17,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh god. Apparently that doesn't translate, Luca.

3173
02:27:17,800 --> 02:27:20,400
Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, you know I mean that kinds of athletes.

3174
02:27:20,560 --> 02:27:23,240
Speaker 3: You know, that's true. That is true. Speaking of MMA

3175
02:27:23,320 --> 02:27:26,520
Speaker 3: fighters in the wild, here's has Bulah in a public park. Luke,

3176
02:27:26,640 --> 02:27:27,920
Speaker 3: just live in life large.

3177
02:27:28,240 --> 02:27:29,520
Speaker 2: Is this dude's fifteen minutes up?

3178
02:27:29,600 --> 02:27:32,000
Speaker 3: Yet? No, I'm back on the train.

3179
02:27:32,040 --> 02:27:35,160
Speaker 2: I love me. Okay, that cart is fucking slick. I'll

3180
02:27:35,200 --> 02:27:36,680
Speaker 2: say that that little thing he's driving.

3181
02:27:37,040 --> 02:27:39,440
Speaker 3: Dude, everything he does is slick for the most part.

3182
02:27:39,560 --> 02:27:42,480
Speaker 2: Right, I don't know about all that, but this is right.

3183
02:27:42,959 --> 02:27:45,160
Speaker 3: Well, has Bulah was able to stick the landing. Let's

3184
02:27:45,160 --> 02:27:46,080
Speaker 3: see if this guy can?

3185
02:27:51,400 --> 02:27:57,080
Speaker 2: Oh no, oh no, yeah, you got a dentist, your

3186
02:27:57,160 --> 02:27:57,680
Speaker 2: dumb bitch.

3187
02:27:57,879 --> 02:28:00,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why you don't sodomize on the bike, Luke.

3188
02:28:00,680 --> 02:28:01,520
Speaker 3: I mean, what are we doing?

3189
02:28:01,680 --> 02:28:01,840
Speaker 4: Right?

3190
02:28:04,800 --> 02:28:07,200
Speaker 2: It's like, dude, you're already in a poor country. You

3191
02:28:07,360 --> 02:28:08,720
Speaker 2: don't have to make life worse.

3192
02:28:09,080 --> 02:28:13,080
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, looke, no surprise on this next dared devil feet,

3193
02:28:13,120 --> 02:28:16,440
Speaker 3: but Dana White also declined doing this. Let's check out

3194
02:28:16,440 --> 02:28:17,080
Speaker 3: the videotape.

3195
02:28:23,000 --> 02:28:27,080
Speaker 2: Oh, this is what is up? What is up with

3196
02:28:27,200 --> 02:28:28,160
Speaker 2: Honky's jumping?

3197
02:28:29,200 --> 02:28:30,680
Speaker 3: Is this Bill's mafia tryouts?

3198
02:28:30,760 --> 02:28:30,920
Speaker 2: Luke?

3199
02:28:30,959 --> 02:28:33,160
Speaker 3: I think that guy passed right? He also died, but

3200
02:28:33,320 --> 02:28:33,960
Speaker 3: you know that was great.

3201
02:28:34,040 --> 02:28:36,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's like, dude, these guys are like, man, ain't

3202
02:28:36,720 --> 02:28:38,560
Speaker 2: nothing going right in my life. I'm trying to get

3203
02:28:38,600 --> 02:28:39,760
Speaker 2: me a Darwin Award.

3204
02:28:40,160 --> 02:28:42,720
Speaker 3: Yep, yep, Hey, you're ko of the week. Takes us

3205
02:28:42,760 --> 02:28:44,680
Speaker 3: to this karate pit, Luke, let's see this.

3206
02:28:49,800 --> 02:28:53,440
Speaker 2: Who hit him with the bop gun? That was nice?

3207
02:28:54,000 --> 02:28:54,880
Speaker 3: Is that a rolling thunder?

3208
02:28:54,959 --> 02:28:55,120
Speaker 2: Or no?

3209
02:28:55,240 --> 02:28:55,560
Speaker 5: What is that?

3210
02:28:55,840 --> 02:28:58,240
Speaker 2: No, this would be like some kind of like capaera

3211
02:28:58,600 --> 02:28:59,760
Speaker 2: or I'd have to see it again.

3212
02:29:00,120 --> 02:29:02,240
Speaker 3: I bet you chef Cass can do that, Luke while

3213
02:29:02,280 --> 02:29:02,920
Speaker 3: cooking a meal.

3214
02:29:03,240 --> 02:29:05,760
Speaker 2: Yeah damn, Yeah, so that's some kind of scorpion kick.

3215
02:29:05,840 --> 02:29:07,720
Speaker 2: I'm not entirely certain it was nice.

3216
02:29:08,120 --> 02:29:10,280
Speaker 3: I'd like to see that in mma if it's possible. Hey,

3217
02:29:10,320 --> 02:29:12,160
Speaker 3: you want to see the biggest hot dog in the world, Luke.

3218
02:29:12,280 --> 02:29:14,600
Speaker 3: This might answer the question is a hot dog of

3219
02:29:14,640 --> 02:29:15,959
Speaker 3: sandwich according to this lady?

3220
02:29:16,040 --> 02:29:19,800
Speaker 2: Yes, the world's stupidest debate.

3221
02:29:20,640 --> 02:29:23,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, look at the size of that wiener though, Luke, is.

3222
02:29:23,720 --> 02:29:26,000
Speaker 2: A hot dog a sandwich is the debate that people

3223
02:29:26,080 --> 02:29:27,280
Speaker 2: have who don't read books.

3224
02:29:27,640 --> 02:29:30,160
Speaker 3: Okay, but this proves that it is a sandwich, right,

3225
02:29:30,200 --> 02:29:31,160
Speaker 3: look at that grinder ship.

3226
02:29:31,280 --> 02:29:33,360
Speaker 2: What it is called a sandwich called a hot dog?

3227
02:29:33,400 --> 02:29:36,600
Speaker 2: It makes no difference. The classification is somewhat irrelevant anyway.

3228
02:29:37,000 --> 02:29:38,920
Speaker 2: And also that's a first of all, that's not even

3229
02:29:38,959 --> 02:29:41,160
Speaker 2: like a hot dog. That's like a big ass kill

3230
02:29:41,240 --> 02:29:43,600
Speaker 2: basa and beget Yeah.

3231
02:29:43,520 --> 02:29:46,000
Speaker 3: I've seen scenes like this turn into adult films. Look,

3232
02:29:46,120 --> 02:29:47,560
Speaker 3: I mean to be honest with you, Like, look the

3233
02:29:47,680 --> 02:29:51,560
Speaker 3: unit on that that sausage. Wow. Alright, Lucas, time for

3234
02:29:51,640 --> 02:29:54,800
Speaker 3: the world famous rate that tat Luke Thomas. Let's start

3235
02:29:54,800 --> 02:30:00,760
Speaker 3: off speaking of hot dogs. Let's check this out. You know,

3236
02:30:01,040 --> 02:30:04,480
Speaker 3: you know, if I hadn't been diagnosed with non alcoholic

3237
02:30:04,480 --> 02:30:06,680
Speaker 3: fatty liver disease Luke, I may have considered this for

3238
02:30:06,800 --> 02:30:07,600
Speaker 3: my left arm.

3239
02:30:07,920 --> 02:30:11,240
Speaker 2: Well, they didn't even get the stenciling, right, Oh wow, look.

3240
02:30:11,080 --> 02:30:12,840
Speaker 3: At that guy's head. Look at that guy's head. Now,

3241
02:30:12,879 --> 02:30:15,360
Speaker 3: obviously that's sacrilegious to put a cross Luke on your

3242
02:30:15,400 --> 02:30:18,000
Speaker 3: forehead with hot dogs on it. But part of me

3243
02:30:18,120 --> 02:30:18,960
Speaker 3: can't appreciate that.

3244
02:30:19,160 --> 02:30:21,680
Speaker 2: Part of you there are people out here living just

3245
02:30:21,879 --> 02:30:24,760
Speaker 2: for the internet lulls until they realize this is like

3246
02:30:25,480 --> 02:30:27,840
Speaker 2: truly one of the dumbest fucking things you can do. Also,

3247
02:30:27,840 --> 02:30:30,400
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, there's not a lot of tattoo

3248
02:30:30,480 --> 02:30:32,520
Speaker 2: artists who would actually do a tattoo like this, either

3249
02:30:32,600 --> 02:30:36,280
Speaker 2: for faces generally or some kind of stupid message. More

3250
02:30:36,320 --> 02:30:37,960
Speaker 2: importantly than that, like, you have to find the right

3251
02:30:38,040 --> 02:30:38,800
Speaker 2: kind of person for that.

3252
02:30:39,160 --> 02:30:41,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, I find that guy I mean, look at his hair.

3253
02:30:41,160 --> 02:30:45,000
Speaker 2: Look at this bozo. I mean, this is, yeah, a

3254
02:30:45,080 --> 02:30:46,320
Speaker 2: future Darwin Award winner.

3255
02:30:46,360 --> 02:30:48,320
Speaker 3: If ever, there was one con you found out he

3256
02:30:48,400 --> 02:30:49,760
Speaker 3: was an MK fan, what would you do?

3257
02:30:50,440 --> 02:30:52,000
Speaker 2: I'd ask him to get castrated.

3258
02:30:53,280 --> 02:30:57,280
Speaker 3: Okay, life may do that to him, regardless of your opinion, though,

3259
02:30:57,560 --> 02:31:00,960
Speaker 3: Let's go to this rate that tatt Brendan shab did

3260
02:31:01,000 --> 02:31:01,959
Speaker 3: a nice dad moving.

3261
02:31:02,440 --> 02:31:03,880
Speaker 2: Are we doing this bit? Are we doing this bit?

3262
02:31:03,920 --> 02:31:06,080
Speaker 2: You're gonna ask Luke?

3263
02:31:06,480 --> 02:31:08,480
Speaker 3: He's got the chombies on his arm? Those are his

3264
02:31:08,600 --> 02:31:10,560
Speaker 3: kids on his arm in zombie mode. I wanted you

3265
02:31:10,680 --> 02:31:13,080
Speaker 3: to comment on the well, you know, look you were

3266
02:31:13,120 --> 02:31:17,160
Speaker 3: willing to tell mister hebos great intention, bad execution. What

3267
02:31:17,240 --> 02:31:18,080
Speaker 3: are your thoughts on these?

3268
02:31:18,520 --> 02:31:21,880
Speaker 2: I don't understand them. I don't quite understand where he

3269
02:31:21,920 --> 02:31:24,720
Speaker 2: would want kids his zombies. I don't know what is

3270
02:31:24,760 --> 02:31:26,000
Speaker 2: there a story behind that? What's that?

3271
02:31:26,120 --> 02:31:28,160
Speaker 3: I think it's because one of his kids can't pronounce zombies,

3272
02:31:28,200 --> 02:31:30,160
Speaker 3: so he says he calls him chomby, so he wanted

3273
02:31:30,200 --> 02:31:31,800
Speaker 3: to get that on his arm, remember it.

3274
02:31:32,160 --> 02:31:35,879
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess that's okay. The left one is okay,

3275
02:31:36,480 --> 02:31:39,440
Speaker 2: The left one's okay, The right one is not my

3276
02:31:39,560 --> 02:31:43,720
Speaker 2: fav Probably not nothing I would do. I'll put it down.

3277
02:31:43,800 --> 02:31:45,360
Speaker 3: I mean, I wouldn't get tattoos of my kids with

3278
02:31:45,520 --> 02:31:48,520
Speaker 3: exposed brains. But people live different lives and that's cool. Okay.

3279
02:31:49,520 --> 02:31:51,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like again, the tattoo is not for you,

3280
02:31:52,040 --> 02:31:53,160
Speaker 2: it's for him and his family.

3281
02:31:53,320 --> 02:31:56,040
Speaker 3: So like same thing with mister Hebos. Yet you're like

3282
02:31:56,160 --> 02:31:58,199
Speaker 3: yo yo boss nah.

3283
02:31:58,160 --> 02:32:02,240
Speaker 2: Bra Yeah as you mean, because listen, I realized that

3284
02:32:02,320 --> 02:32:05,120
Speaker 2: there is a large economy of people who love to

3285
02:32:05,480 --> 02:32:08,440
Speaker 2: insult Brendan and I understand that. But you know, I

3286
02:32:08,560 --> 02:32:11,280
Speaker 2: don't need to contribute to that marketplace for it to thrive.

3287
02:32:11,600 --> 02:32:12,680
Speaker 2: So I'll just leave it as it is.

3288
02:32:12,840 --> 02:32:14,800
Speaker 3: Don't keep that same energy. They don't need you, Luke.

3289
02:32:14,840 --> 02:32:17,040
Speaker 3: All right at all, Let's go one more tattoo.

3290
02:32:17,520 --> 02:32:19,240
Speaker 2: I'm not telling anyone to stop. The world is going

3291
02:32:19,280 --> 02:32:20,040
Speaker 2: to do what it's going to do.

3292
02:32:20,240 --> 02:32:23,240
Speaker 3: But here's some hectic white lightning. What are your thoughts

3293
02:32:23,280 --> 02:32:23,920
Speaker 3: on this tattoo?

3294
02:32:31,080 --> 02:32:34,240
Speaker 2: So he's getting an all white lightning. It just looks

3295
02:32:34,280 --> 02:32:35,800
Speaker 2: like he's got a disease.

3296
02:32:36,280 --> 02:32:39,680
Speaker 3: He looks like he's got psoriasis. Yeah, congratulations, All right,

3297
02:32:39,760 --> 02:32:40,120
Speaker 3: there you go.

3298
02:32:40,400 --> 02:32:42,680
Speaker 2: It's like you got bit by a zombie. Can there

3299
02:32:42,720 --> 02:32:42,920
Speaker 2: you go.

3300
02:32:43,480 --> 02:32:46,039
Speaker 3: Look, if you're willing to enter a rodeo, you gotta

3301
02:32:46,040 --> 02:32:47,840
Speaker 3: be willing to get the horn. Sometimes it happens.

3302
02:32:49,200 --> 02:32:51,240
Speaker 2: Oh no, is Big Bertha about to get air?

3303
02:32:51,920 --> 02:32:52,080
Speaker 5: God?

3304
02:32:52,720 --> 02:32:59,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know the bulls Man that's not even

3305
02:32:59,680 --> 02:33:02,200
Speaker 2: a big as bowl like these big bulls Man. They

3306
02:33:02,240 --> 02:33:07,720
Speaker 2: are different creatures, bro. Yeah, Big Bertha had more air

3307
02:33:08,000 --> 02:33:09,960
Speaker 2: like under that one than John Jones did trying to

3308
02:33:10,080 --> 02:33:12,800
Speaker 2: dunk like yo, I got Oh.

3309
02:33:12,120 --> 02:33:14,760
Speaker 3: My god, you know call it, call in a superhero

3310
02:33:14,879 --> 02:33:16,440
Speaker 3: to try to pull this move off. Let's see if

3311
02:33:16,480 --> 02:33:17,400
Speaker 3: Spider Man can handle it.

3312
02:33:17,520 --> 02:33:21,360
Speaker 2: Luke. You know Spider Man's been at the buffet. Huh,

3313
02:33:27,720 --> 02:33:30,480
Speaker 2: Spider Spider Man. Spider Man is so fucking fat here

3314
02:33:30,879 --> 02:33:33,120
Speaker 2: that you can see his neck because the part of

3315
02:33:33,200 --> 02:33:36,160
Speaker 2: the neck that the mask is supposed to cover can't

3316
02:33:36,240 --> 02:33:36,600
Speaker 2: reach it.

3317
02:33:37,640 --> 02:33:39,680
Speaker 3: Uh Luke. This two and a half hour show will

3318
02:33:39,760 --> 02:33:42,560
Speaker 3: end with one more clip. Fight of the Week took

3319
02:33:42,640 --> 02:33:45,760
Speaker 3: place at a wah wah. Let's check it out. Oh wow,

3320
02:33:46,600 --> 02:33:49,400
Speaker 3: I mean yo, crack kills brother.

3321
02:33:49,560 --> 02:33:52,560
Speaker 2: Wow, just look at this gross I'm rubbing looking and

3322
02:33:52,640 --> 02:33:56,840
Speaker 2: rubbing his ass over everything. If you don't sit and

3323
02:33:56,879 --> 02:34:00,440
Speaker 2: look at his belly hanging out about the sloopa. If

3324
02:34:00,480 --> 02:34:03,200
Speaker 2: you don't, if you don't burn this wah wah to

3325
02:34:03,320 --> 02:34:06,720
Speaker 2: the ground, you are the health The health code violation

3326
02:34:06,840 --> 02:34:15,520
Speaker 2: should be extraordinary. Look at this man's gross pimply His

3327
02:34:15,680 --> 02:34:17,760
Speaker 2: ass is so pimply it looks like he sat on

3328
02:34:17,840 --> 02:34:19,200
Speaker 2: a porcupine. Look at it.

3329
02:34:21,680 --> 02:34:23,600
Speaker 3: I mean, look, they say you are what you eat

3330
02:34:23,640 --> 02:34:24,400
Speaker 3: all the food in that.

3331
02:34:26,240 --> 02:34:29,160
Speaker 2: Just burn it, just burn, just burn it and collect

3332
02:34:29,200 --> 02:34:31,000
Speaker 2: the insurance money. It's over. It's over.

3333
02:34:32,360 --> 02:34:32,480
Speaker 3: Uh.

3334
02:34:32,720 --> 02:34:35,880
Speaker 2: This guy, this guy, this guy t bagged and asked,

3335
02:34:36,000 --> 02:34:39,840
Speaker 2: rubbed every condiment in that thing. How's gonna be some

3336
02:34:39,959 --> 02:34:42,760
Speaker 2: guy who like reaches for his gum there or splendor?

3337
02:34:43,800 --> 02:34:45,720
Speaker 2: Why does this equal smell like?

3338
02:34:47,240 --> 02:34:50,080
Speaker 3: You? Notice the guy in the supplying the guillotine is

3339
02:34:50,160 --> 02:34:52,840
Speaker 3: keeping his COVID mascot luke just to prevent.

3340
02:34:54,160 --> 02:34:55,840
Speaker 2: Trying to be safe. He's trying to be safe.

3341
02:34:57,120 --> 02:34:59,240
Speaker 3: Of his submission here. Can you comment on that?

3342
02:34:59,840 --> 02:35:02,440
Speaker 2: H Uh? You know, well when you rest your gunt

3343
02:35:02,560 --> 02:35:03,200
Speaker 2: on top of it.

3344
02:35:03,560 --> 02:35:07,320
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, all right, this fight's still going on. Look

3345
02:35:07,360 --> 02:35:07,480
Speaker 3: at that.

3346
02:35:07,520 --> 02:35:08,920
Speaker 2: Look at that man ass, Look at that man?

3347
02:35:09,000 --> 02:35:11,160
Speaker 3: Ask should herb deans stand him up at this point

3348
02:35:11,200 --> 02:35:12,360
Speaker 3: and separate him? And what do we do?

3349
02:35:12,480 --> 02:35:12,640
Speaker 4: All?

3350
02:35:12,760 --> 02:35:14,080
Speaker 3: Look at that right to the jewels.

3351
02:35:14,280 --> 02:35:16,720
Speaker 2: Dude, he's punching him. I mean, like, what has happened?

3352
02:35:16,840 --> 02:35:17,040
Speaker 5: Dude?

3353
02:35:17,080 --> 02:35:21,640
Speaker 3: This is full moon full moon fever.

3354
02:35:22,480 --> 02:35:25,000
Speaker 2: How many things is this man's ass gonna touch?

3355
02:35:25,680 --> 02:35:27,760
Speaker 3: Go full screen? I gotta see how this ends.

3356
02:35:27,840 --> 02:35:28,160
Speaker 5: Look at it.

3357
02:35:28,360 --> 02:35:32,039
Speaker 3: It's like that he's gonna tramp step. Dude, He's gonna

3358
02:35:32,120 --> 02:35:32,640
Speaker 3: tramp stand.

3359
02:35:32,840 --> 02:35:38,520
Speaker 2: I saw a guy, dude just burn everything to the grod.

3360
02:35:39,120 --> 02:35:48,320
Speaker 2: There's no coming back from old. Oh look at his feet.

3361
02:35:48,720 --> 02:35:51,320
Speaker 2: Somehow his feet are less dirty than his ass.

3362
02:35:51,720 --> 02:35:54,720
Speaker 3: Dude, this fight's still going on under Pride rules right now.

3363
02:35:54,840 --> 02:35:55,480
Speaker 3: Look at that way.

3364
02:35:55,520 --> 02:35:58,560
Speaker 2: Why is everyone in this wildwah seven hundred pounds.

3365
02:35:59,480 --> 02:36:00,400
Speaker 3: Because they eat there?

3366
02:36:00,520 --> 02:36:00,720
Speaker 2: Luke?

3367
02:36:00,760 --> 02:36:01,600
Speaker 3: All right, that's it?

3368
02:36:02,280 --> 02:36:07,920
Speaker 2: Wow? Oh boy, Yeah that guy had a good one there. Yeah.

3369
02:36:08,120 --> 02:36:10,200
Speaker 3: This is like, this is like Kimbo versus the late

3370
02:36:10,240 --> 02:36:11,959
Speaker 3: Sean Gannon right here, Luke, They'll never.

3371
02:36:11,959 --> 02:36:14,400
Speaker 2: Be the same. This is Kimbo versus Danna. Yeah, but

3372
02:36:14,400 --> 02:36:16,440
Speaker 2: you bike get out of there, champs, Yeah, just go,

3373
02:36:17,280 --> 02:36:17,480
Speaker 2: just go.

3374
02:36:23,680 --> 02:36:26,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, we did three hours today. Why why would we

3375
02:36:26,400 --> 02:36:26,600
Speaker 3: do that?

3376
02:36:26,920 --> 02:36:29,160
Speaker 2: No, I missed my dentnis appointment because of this, so

3377
02:36:29,160 --> 02:36:33,039
Speaker 2: I'm really happy about Oh no, no, yeah I did

3378
02:36:33,280 --> 02:36:35,000
Speaker 2: I did. Oh, so that's great.

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Speaker 3: All right? Well, Luke, just to let people know about

3380
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Speaker 3: boxing ni Wa in New A, my number one pound

3381
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Speaker 3: for pound fighter on the CBS Sports rankings is gonna

3382
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Speaker 3: take on Paul Butler tomorrow morning in Asia for all.

3383
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, it's a good fight.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for all. Four titles at one hundred and eighteen bounds,

3385
02:36:53,400 --> 02:36:57,360
Speaker 3: another undisputed championship tomorrow morning. I believe the main event

3386
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Speaker 3: is expected to start at six am, But Luke, I'm

3387
02:36:59,760 --> 02:37:01,600
Speaker 3: gonna get up early. I'm to be handling the recap

3388
02:37:01,640 --> 02:37:03,879
Speaker 3: for CBS Sports. I don't know. Maybe I'll f around

3389
02:37:03,920 --> 02:37:05,920
Speaker 3: with an MK reaction if it's worthy. Who who knows?

3390
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Speaker 5: Right?

3391
02:37:06,560 --> 02:37:09,040
Speaker 2: All right? Could be fun, could be fun. That is

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Speaker 2: it for us today. Reminder Morning Combat at gmail dot com.

3393
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3396
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Speaker 3: If that guy's ass was all over the sunglasses and everything.

3397
02:37:23,480 --> 02:37:25,840
Speaker 2: I know, it's like, dude, you can't get some woman twerking.

3398
02:37:25,920 --> 02:37:29,560
Speaker 2: You have to look at some four hundred pound living

3399
02:37:29,600 --> 02:37:32,760
Speaker 2: in a van down by the river, unshowered.

3400
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Speaker 3: You know, I hope the fight was over like a

3401
02:37:35,480 --> 02:37:37,160
Speaker 3: politics or like abortion or something.

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Speaker 2: Look right, yeah, I hope it was over who got

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Speaker 2: the last slice of like you know, I don't know,

3404
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Speaker 2: I don't know what the fuck.

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Speaker 3: See. That's why I support sheets, gas stations and not

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Speaker 3: wahwaft for this type of crap.

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Speaker 2: All right, Yeah, you don't see people doing that over

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Speaker 2: schmuffins andels.

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Speaker 3: Oh I've taken a heavy sheets before in that location too.

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Speaker 2: But uh, all right, we gotta I gotta call my

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Speaker 2: dentist office now because I got a I would want

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Speaker 2: to fuck do. All right, So, uh let's see showtime

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Speaker 2: Don't forget money line money, Lion, Money, Lion, money, Lion.

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Speaker 2: Go to moneylon dot com for slash Morning Combat for

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Speaker 2: more information, and of course Hammer of the Month hashtag

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Speaker 2: for anyone from the belt or card, anyone from the

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Speaker 2: UFC card, even the boxing card if your fancy is

3421
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Speaker 2: tickled in such a way. So there you go, b C.

3422
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Speaker 2: Any final thoughts, No, no, I'm good.

3423
02:38:31,080 --> 02:38:32,600
Speaker 3: I'm good at this point. You know, it's been a

3424
02:38:32,640 --> 02:38:35,160
Speaker 3: long time. It's been a long long time, a big

3425
02:38:35,200 --> 02:38:37,800
Speaker 3: weekend though, happy to be happy to watch all those

3426
02:38:37,840 --> 02:38:39,600
Speaker 3: fights this morning and get ready for this show. But

3427
02:38:39,680 --> 02:38:41,120
Speaker 3: we made it. We got to the finish line.

3428
02:38:41,240 --> 02:38:43,400
Speaker 2: All right, b C glad you're back. We have a

3429
02:38:43,440 --> 02:38:45,920
Speaker 2: long show a week in front of us. So let's

3430
02:38:45,959 --> 02:38:48,720
Speaker 2: call it a day today for BC four Malka for

3431
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Speaker 2: showtime for CBS Sports on Luke Thomas and the great

3432
02:38:51,560 --> 02:38:54,320
Speaker 2: MK staff and crew here. We'll see you guys on Wednesday,

3433
02:38:54,400 --> 02:38:55,800
Speaker 2: maybe tomorrow after the NAWA fight.

3434
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Speaker 3: Oh check out, bye merch, Bye merch. By wednesday. If

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Speaker 3: you wanted to get it by Christmas.

3436
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Speaker 2: More, that's right there, you have it. So Wednesday is

3437
02:39:01,879 --> 02:39:03,760
Speaker 2: the deadline for if you want to get about Christmas.

3438
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Speaker 2: So until then, may all of your gains be loyal.