WEBVTT - #071 Jason Flom with Amanda Knox 0:00:01.360 --> 0:00:06.160 My Interview with Amanda Knox originally aired on February sixth 0:00:06.200 --> 0:00:08.600 of twenty seventeen. It's sort of almost like the anchor 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:13.320 episode of the second season. Now Amanda is engaged to 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:16.600 be married and I couldn't be happier. They're just an 0:00:16.760 --> 0:00:20.760 amazing couple, she and Chris Robinson. And she's now the 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:24.840 host of the Scarlet Letter Reports on Broadly Weise, in 0:00:24.880 --> 0:00:27.200 which she sits down with famous women to discuss the 0:00:27.280 --> 0:00:32.239 deeply personal journey of being sexualized, scrutinized, and demonized by 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:35.639 the media, and how they've rebuilt their lives after their 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:38.680 most personal details have been made public thereby the name 0:00:38.720 --> 0:00:41.560 of Scarlet Letter Reports. Amanda is also the host of 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:45.600 The Truth About True Crime, a Sundance AMC podcast series. 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:49.120 Amanda's like my little sister, and I'm so happy for 0:00:49.200 --> 0:00:52.080 all the great things that are happening for her. Please 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:56.040 listen through to the end because she drops some pearls 0:00:56.040 --> 0:00:58.960 of wisdom at the end of this episode that really 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:02.000 will affect you as they affected me in a very 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:04.319 profound way. 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:16.240 I came from a beautiful neighborhood, had a beautiful life. 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:19.160 I went to sleep because September seventh was the first 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:21.360 day of my high school year. I was going to 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:23.440 be a senior at twenty two, I was set to 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:24.360 start college. 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:27.800 I woke up and my life was never the same again. 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:31.880 Cops came out with guns drawn, and I never saw 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:35.360 freedom ever since after that. It's like roach mode, Tom, 0:01:35.440 --> 0:01:37.560 once you get in and I can't. 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:52.760 Mouth this is wrongful conviction with Jason Flamm. Welcome back 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:57.080 to wrongful Conviction with Jason Flamm. Today's guest is Amanda Knox. 0:01:57.320 --> 0:01:59.640 I had like this year plan of studying language and 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:01.040 study poetry in mind. 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:05.320 Amanda Knox was wrongfully convicted of a crime that happened 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:07.600 in Italy in two thousand and seven. 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:11.960 Manda Knox verdict has just been read. Guilty here guilty. 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:15.400 Just hours ago, twenty two year old college student Amanda 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:19.960 Knox finally learned her fate. After eleven hours of deliberations. 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:25.320 The verdict was read by the presiding judge. Amanda and 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:28.240 Raphael A guilty of the murder of twenty one year 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:31.519 old Meredith Kircher. Her name is Amanda Knox, known for 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:34.480 the notorious murder of her British roommate Meritage. 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:39.760 She served four years in prison and went through numerous trials. 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:43.600 And I thought for months, months of imprisonment that it 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:46.200 was just a big misunderstanding and everything would get worked 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:48.760 out because the evidence would come back and it would 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:49.280 prove that. 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:50.000 I was innocent. 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:56.720 Before she was fully exonerated with DNA evidence in twenty fifteen, Amanda, 0:02:56.760 --> 0:02:57.600 welcome to the show. 0:02:57.639 --> 0:02:58.440 Thanks for having me. 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:01.639 So let's go back in time as we do on 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:05.400 the show. What possessed you to become an exchange student? 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:07.400 Like it's sort of a it's a brave thing as 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:09.440 a young woman, oh Man. 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:14.960 For me, that it wasn't that brave because my family 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:18.160 came from Germany, and so I was always aware that 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:22.120 there were other worlds out there where other people were 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:25.919 living lives with other cultures and other languages, and I 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:29.240 was familiar with that. I had a knack for languages, 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:32.120 so I was also aware of that. In school, I 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:37.240 was interested in what other people were doing outside of 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:41.120 my little sphere of knowledge. And I mean I spent 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:44.640 two weeks when I was fourteen in Japan because I 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:48.480 studied Japanese in high school. I went with my family 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:52.680 to Germany when I was fourteen as well, So it 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:54.840 wasn't my first time outside of the country, and it 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:58.520 definitely wasn't unusual for me, Like my family had been 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:01.120 talking about a foreign exchange per since I was in 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:03.520 high school, Like my oma really wanted me to do 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:05.040 some high school in Germany. 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:07.119 Well, you did like an access tour at the age 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:07.640 of fourteen. 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:11.080 Yeah, yeah, now that I'm meant think about it, Yeah, it's. 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:13.320 A coincidence, but it is funny looking back on it. 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:16.400 So you were somebody who was a world traveler at 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:18.400 a very young age, and so yes, and that makes sense. 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:19.440 And how did you settle on Italy? 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:23.640 Well, I was studying Italian and I was studying German, 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:24.360 both of them. 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:25.280 In college. 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:29.560 I wanted to be a linguist, a translator, an interpreter, 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:31.719 whatever I could be that had to do with languages, 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:35.800 because I couldn't explain a creative writing degree to my dad. 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:39.760 I couldn't justify it, but I could justify being a 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:45.240 translator and a linguist. And I liked Italian because I 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:51.800 studied Latin in middle school and it was just weird enough, 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:55.920 it was poetic, and in the meantime there was a 0:04:56.360 --> 0:05:01.320 poetry program going on. There's this exchange with the University 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:04.720 of Washington where I was studying with poetry and I 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:08.400 that was located in Rome, and so I thought, Okay, 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:12.039 this is this brilliant opportunity. I'll go study Italian in 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:15.359 Perusia for nine months and then spend the summer in 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:17.240 Rome studying poetry. 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:18.960 And that was the plan. 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:22.000 I had, like this year plan of studying language and 0:05:22.000 --> 0:05:23.320 studying poetry in mind. 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:28.479 How long were you there before everything started to unravel? 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:32.760 How long at the time of the just over a month, right, so, 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:35.240 and things were really looking up, right, you had just 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:37.320 fallen in well, I don't know if you could call 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:39.120 it love or poppy love or whatever it was, but 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:41.320 you had a romance going on. 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:41.760 Yeah. 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:43.920 Well, I was in classes. 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:46.880 I was in this city full of young people who 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:49.279 were from all over the world. I made a friend 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:51.920 there who was from kazakhs Dan and I had never 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:54.520 encountered a person from kazakhs Dan before. And she would 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:58.200 come over after class and we would play guitar together. 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:00.320 So that was just really cool. Or I went to 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:03.839 this one dinner with other people who were in my class, 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:08.800 and there was this chef from Japan who was studying 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:12.760 Italian cooking. There in Rome and PERUZI was kind of 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:15.560 traveling around learning how to cook, and he made a 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:18.040 big dinner and I helped make taram Sue. It was 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:21.279 just it was really cool that to be around so 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:26.240 many curious young people, and to be living with curious 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:28.800 young people. Meredith was one of those. She wasn't in 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:30.680 the same school. 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:30.800 That I was. 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:34.840 She was studying at the University of Perusia, and I 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:37.960 was studying at the University of Prestranierti, so the university 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:40.880 for foreigners, because my Italian wasn't good enough yet to 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:43.000 actually go to the regular university. 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:45.560 Wow, that was just the way you said that words 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:49.520 or transported me from Yeah right, yeah, let's how did 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:51.560 you end up? You and Meredith end up finding each 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:54.120 other in order to cohabitate. 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:57.479 Well, both of us found separately the house that we ended. 0:06:57.360 --> 0:07:00.279 Up living in, so just an ad in the paper. 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:01.360 Not even in the paper. 0:07:01.920 --> 0:07:06.000 I was wandering around by the university to Perstagnietti, and 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:10.360 there was a woman, a young woman there. I guess 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:13.560 she was younger than I am now crazy. She seemed 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:16.320 so old and mature when I was twenty, and she 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:19.760 was putting up a notice like one of those you rip. 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:21.680 The bottom off for a phone number. 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:24.960 And she said that she was and she could speak English, 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:27.920 and she said that she was advertising for this house 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:30.920 that was literally right down the street from the university 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:33.080 that I was going to go to. And I said, oh, 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:35.320 my gosh, can I come see it. I was there 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:37.679 with my sister to come visit the city really quickly 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:41.640 before I actually moved there. So I visited the house 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:46.960 before Meredith had ever arrived in Perushia, and already made 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:52.200 like a pact with Philomena and Laura, who were the 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:55.800 two Italian young women who were living there, to move 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:57.720 in as soon as I came back. And then by 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:00.480 the time I moved back to the house, Meredith had 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:04.440 already moved in. She had also found a notice somehow 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:05.880 the same same. 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:08.600 Way, seriously old school, like the little piece of paper 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:10.480 ripping off the thing like that. 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:12.520 You didn't find it on Craigslist exactly. 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:15.000 No, no, no, I wouldn't even know what that looked 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:15.800 like in Perusia. 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:19.040 Right, So you end up living with these three other 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:24.679 young women and things are looking great, right, I mean, 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:27.520 what a life you have ahead of you and what 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:28.240 a place to be. 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:32.720 Oh definitely, I was like. 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:35.320 The one thing I can say that disappointed me was 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:40.520 I was expecting the work, the school work, to be 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:43.040 a little bit more rigorous than it was. It was 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:46.600 very relaxed, easy compared to what I was used to, 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:50.400 and I had expected I was going to be learning 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:51.920 the language more quickly. 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:54.800 I'm expecting that enrollment's going to go up after your 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:57.199 description among some slackers in the United States. 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:01.000 But that's beside the plate. So fast forward and you are. 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:05.559 Now you meet this young man and you start this 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:10.160 little romance. Yes, it's so charming how it's depicted in 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:10.600 the movie. 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:13.520 He's so charming. He is. He is. 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:20.200 He's like a charming in a boyish way. He's he's 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:26.120 not intimidating in any ways. He's very sweet and considerate, 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:30.760 but also kind of just like a puppy, just you know. 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:32.200 Just bumbling along. 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:35.880 And it's not like we ever had any deep conversations. 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:39.040 But then again, we also didn't really speak each other's 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:40.479 language very well. 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:42.800 So it was very It was very sweet. 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:45.400 It was like holding hands and walking along and him 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:48.480 being like, oh, Italian ladies have perfume. You should have perfume, 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:51.040 and oh, let me show you this cool market that 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:54.480 I've I've discovered here in Tody and you know, stuff 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:56.800 like that. It was really it was just like so 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:01.120 stereotypical of like the kind kind of romance that you 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:03.920 find yourself in when you're really young and you're in 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:08.600 another country and you come across this really cool, nice, 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:13.800 sweet different person that who's coming from a completely different 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:14.440 culture than you. 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:17.920 It sounds like a high school relationship in college. Yeah, 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:21.600 I got it, but really really cute. So then things 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:25.160 go completely haywire. And that's one of the things that 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:28.520 was I found so powerful in the movie is that 0:10:28.840 --> 0:10:33.560 there's this juxtaposition right of like you're going along, you're 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:40.280 just having this sweet, wonderful, new, foreign, beautiful experience, and 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:43.320 then one day you show up, well you showed up 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:47.000 at your your home, and things got a little weird. 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:49.160 I mean, so it sort of unravels like a horror 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:50.600 movie actually, right. 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:54.400 Yeah, especially in the sense that, like in the horror movie, 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:58.400 you don't realize what's going on as you're walking through it, 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:03.360 even as like the little things add up ominously, right, 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:11.040 Like that was my experience being plunked into a crime scene. Basically, 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:13.800 I had spent the night over at Raphael's like I 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:16.720 was doing a lot that one week that we were together, 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:22.600 and I came home in the morning and to take 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:27.360 a shower. And I came home and the front door 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:33.520 was wide open, which was odd because to even close 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:36.320 the door you had to lock it. And that was 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:39.880 the habit that Meredith, Laura, and Phila Maina and I 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:43.360 were in. We we opened the door with our key 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:45.120 and when we closed it, we locked it to keep 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:48.679 the door closed because otherwise it would just kind of open. 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:52.560 So the door was wide open and nobody was around. 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:55.200 I didn't see anyone. I kind of peeked. 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:57.960 I went inside and I called out, and I go 0:11:58.000 --> 0:11:59.559 in to take a shower. And when I go in, 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:04.600 I call out, like Laura, Philha Mana, Meredith, anyone home? 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:05.920 And no one was home. 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:11.120 And I thought that was odd, but nothing seemed wrong, 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:15.000 Like the main room that I was walking into was 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:21.680 perfectly normal. Philamna's bedroom door was closed. I went into 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:27.320 my bedroom and undressed, went to the shower, and that's 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:32.000 when I noticed spots of blood in the bathroom. But 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:38.120 they weren't a lot. It was just eerie enough to 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:42.200 be like that's weird. On top of the door being opened. 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:44.559 But what was going on in my mind was, Oh, 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:49.320 maybe someone like cut themselves and then like ran out 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:53.880 to go get a bandage, or maybe someone I mean, 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:56.600 it could also have been in my like it could 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:58.200 also have been like, you know, when you brush your 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:00.920 teeth and if you haven't floss in a while, you'll 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:03.760 like bleed from your mouth when you're like, you know, 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:07.160 it wasn't a lot. It wasn't like so much that 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:08.800 I thought something was. 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:10.800 It was in the sink, though it was in the sink, right, 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:12.120 so it could have been anything. 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:15.320 It could have been anything, And I didn't immediately jump 0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:19.520 to the conclusion that somebody had been devastatingly hurt or 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:20.640 something bad had happened. 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:21.720 I just thought it was weird. 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:24.840 And so I took my shower, and I stepped out 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:27.360 of the shower and onto the bath mat, and I 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:29.760 noticed that there was a larger splotch of blood on 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:34.559 the bath mat, and I thought, Okay, that's more suspicious, 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:36.200 but I still didn't know what to make of it. 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:38.640 I went into my room, I got dressed. I went 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:42.000 and blue dry my hair in the other bathroom that 0:13:42.000 --> 0:13:44.320 we had, because that's where the hair dryer was, and 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:47.480 when I was in there, I noticed that the toilet. 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:50.559 Hadn't been flushed. There was feces in the toilet. 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:55.000 And that, on top of everything else, just struck me 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:58.679 like something like I got the creepy feeling that someone 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:00.800 is that was in the house with me who shouldn't 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:06.520 be there, because Laura and Philamena were really were clean 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:09.719 freaks and they wouldn't forget to flush the toilet, and 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:12.320 like that on top of everything else, Like maybe even 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:14.880 if it was just that and everything else was normal, 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:18.040 the door was closed, I wouldn't have thought creepy feeling, 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:21.480 but that, on top of everything else, gave me a 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:24.680 creepy feeling, And so I immediately booked it back to Raphael's. 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:27.360 And I wasn't sure. 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:32.280 What to tell him, like that some weird things were 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:35.840 at my house, but what could he say? But I 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:37.720 ended up talking to him and he said, oh, you 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:39.920 should call your roommates and see what's going on. Maybe 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:45.000 something happened with them. And I called Laura and she 0:14:45.320 --> 0:14:48.400 was I don't remember if she picked up or not, 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:50.080 but she was not even in the city. She was 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:53.720 away in Rome. Philamina picked up and she had been 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:57.280 at her boyfriend's and Meredith did not pick up her phone, 0:14:57.360 --> 0:15:00.800 just rang and rang, and I tried both of her 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:03.280 phone numbers. She had an Italian phone number and a 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:08.160 British phone number, and it didn't answer. So I told 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:12.160 like mayan, Raphael's plan had been to just go, you know, 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:15.640 away for the weekend, but I wanted him to come 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:17.320 take a look at what was going on in my 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:19.680 house with me because I needed to figure out what 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:22.360 was going on. Philamina said she was going to come home. 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:23.640 We were all going to take a look at it, 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:26.200 see what was going on. She thought that maybe there 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:30.800 had been a break in, and so I went considering 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:33.880 that the door was open, right, And so I went 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:36.800 back with Raphael and we took a more scrutinous look 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:41.760 at the house. We opened up Philamina's bedroom and Philamena's 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:43.680 bedroom was the one that had been broken into. 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:45.120 There was her. 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:48.840 Window was broken, There was glass all over the floor, 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:52.400 and there was you know, it was it was a 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:54.840 bit of a mess, like there was a jumble of clothing. 0:15:55.720 --> 0:16:01.240 I didn't see if there was anything like I looked 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:04.760 to see if there was anything stolen of value, because 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:06.280 if it was a break in, you'd think that there'd 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:09.280 be something stolen, but her camera was there, her computer 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:13.080 was there, like our stereo was still in the house, 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:15.040 the TV was still in the house. 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:18.480 I went to my bedroom, my computer was there, and. 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:22.040 So I thought, what the heck happened, like, what did 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:25.120 this person steal if they broke in? And then by 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:29.400 that time, you know, Raphael and I sort of moved 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:32.000 around the house some more noticed that Laura's room was 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:38.760 totally fine, untouched, pristine, and Meredith's room was locked, which 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:42.320 was unusual because the only time that I had ever 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:45.640 encountered her door being locked was either she was out 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:48.560 of town or she had just gotten out of the 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:51.800 shower and like closed the door and locked it before 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:58.760 she got changed and then came out again. And I 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:03.520 asked Rafael to try to break it down because I 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:06.479 knocked on the door and Meredith didn't answer. I knocked 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:08.840 louder and Meredith didn't answer, and the fact that she 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:12.360 wasn't answering her phone, like, I was worried maybe something happened. 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:15.399 So I asked Raphael to try to break down this door, 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:18.119 and he kicked at it, and he kicked at it, 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:20.800 but he couldn't kick it down. So we called the cops. 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:23.679 In the meantime, phil A Mana came home. She was 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:29.720 freaking out hysterically. An Italian police showed up with this 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:34.480 this phone that belonged to Meredith and they said that 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:38.679 they had found this phone in a garden that was 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:44.720 a little bit like down the road. And yeah, so 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:48.680 her phone is in the middle of some yard. 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:52.000 Down the road. We can't find her. Her door is locked, there's. 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:54.800 Like crazy things going on in the house. And so 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:58.960 finally phil Amna says to the cops, like kicked down 0:17:58.960 --> 0:18:02.720 their door. And Philamine is there with her boyfriend and 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:04.879 their two friends because they were off doing things together, 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:07.320 and so they all came there and the police said, well, 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:09.480 we don't have the authority to kick indoors, like we're 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:13.240 only you know, we're not criminal. People were just we're 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:15.520 just here to like for these phone issues. They weren't 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:19.280 even like criminal investigator cops, right, They were just regular 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:22.800 Joshmo on the block cops who were like trying to 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:24.480 figure out whose lost phone this was. 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:26.399 Why were they even looking for it, That's the strange 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:26.760 part of this. 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:29.399 Why were they looking for her phone? Because it was ringing. 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:32.479 I had been calling it and it was ringing and 0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:36.359 the person whose yard it was found in heard the 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:41.520 ringing and discovered the like, found the phone in the yard, 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:44.520 and then called the cops saying, Hey, there's this phone 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:49.199 in my yard. Can you find out who this belongs to? 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:51.480 So it's it's pretty weird though, that they show up 0:18:51.520 --> 0:18:53.520 with the phone and then they don't try or okay. 0:18:53.320 --> 0:18:57.439 So now so well, and indeed, like what's interesting is 0:18:57.480 --> 0:18:59.600 they showed up. And I thought they had showed up 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:03.880 because me and Raphael had called them and was said like, hey, 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:07.840 there's this break in in our house. But they apparently yeah, 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:09.920 but these cops weren't coming for that. 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:11.639 They had no idea what we were talking about. 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:14.239 The reason they came was because of the phone, and 0:19:14.320 --> 0:19:16.679 they knew that the phone was connected to the house 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:23.120 because it was Meredith's phone and Meredith was convoluted. Meredith 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:25.600 was using a SIM card that belonged to Philimena, and 0:19:25.640 --> 0:19:26.960 Philimena's name. 0:19:26.840 --> 0:19:28.840 Was registered with the house, so. 0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:31.840 They had discovered the SIM card and traced it back 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:34.800 to the house. So they showed up for entirely different reasons. 0:19:34.800 --> 0:19:36.879 And I had assumed they showed up because of a 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:40.760 break in. So these two just lay cops show up 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:43.280 with this phone, and I'm assuming that they're there because 0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:45.280 of the break in, but in fact they are not. 0:19:45.520 --> 0:19:47.119 So they say, well, we don't have the authority to 0:19:47.200 --> 0:19:50.880 kick down this door. And Philamnasa's bullshit kick down this door. 0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:55.159 So she and her friends kicked down this door with 0:19:55.240 --> 0:20:01.320 the cops. That's Meredith's bedroom door, and I mean Philamina 0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:06.920 screamed and the police yelled out out out everyone get 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:09.639 out of the house, and there was this big just 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:12.000 shuffle and everyone, like I had no idea what was 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:16.080 going on. I was pushed out of the house bedroom. No, no, 0:20:16.119 --> 0:20:20.280 I was you just know that pandemonium breaking and everyone's 0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:22.720 screaming in Italian, and so I'm trying to like keep 0:20:22.800 --> 0:20:26.200 track of everything, and I'm asking Raphael to like tell 0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:28.760 me what everyone's saying, because you know, it's one thing 0:20:28.760 --> 0:20:31.600 to have someone speak to you slowly and calmly in 0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:34.120 Italian and another one to have them just like screaming 0:20:34.200 --> 0:20:37.840 hysterically out loud at everyone's talking over each other. And 0:20:37.880 --> 0:20:40.439 so Raphael was like slowly sort of just trying to 0:20:40.440 --> 0:20:42.000 translate for me what was going on. 0:20:42.720 --> 0:20:43.880 I was pushed out of the. 0:20:43.840 --> 0:20:50.800 House and and by then then some more cops arrived. 0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:55.080 I think the the the phone police guys called in 0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:59.880 for backup. And I mean, I don't even know who 0:21:00.000 --> 0:21:02.159 who all these people were that were showing up to 0:21:02.160 --> 0:21:05.960 my house. All I knew was that suddenly I didn't 0:21:06.000 --> 0:21:08.440 have a house anymore. I wasn't allowed to go inside, 0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:13.080 and I was just standing outside thinking what did they 0:21:13.080 --> 0:21:14.280 see in Meredith's room? 0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:17.320 Like did they see her? Did they see someone else? 0:21:17.400 --> 0:21:21.240 Like, and you know, you can think, Okay, maybe maybe 0:21:21.280 --> 0:21:24.160 I should have known it that it was obviously going 0:21:24.160 --> 0:21:26.040 to be Meredith in there, but like by the way 0:21:26.080 --> 0:21:29.119 that Philamina was screaming, like she was just saying a foot, 0:21:29.200 --> 0:21:31.760 a foot, a foot in Pierre and Pierre and Pierre, 0:21:32.359 --> 0:21:34.240 and I thought that maybe there was like a severed 0:21:34.320 --> 0:21:36.800 foot in there. Like I had no idea what was 0:21:36.840 --> 0:21:40.040 going on. And then like I kept overhearing little spits 0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:43.240 and pieces, something that had to do with the wardrobe, 0:21:43.320 --> 0:21:47.000 something that had to do with the blanket of her bed. 0:21:47.080 --> 0:21:51.920 And eventually what I pieced and what Raphael was able 0:21:51.960 --> 0:21:56.640