WEBVTT - Darryl "DMC" McDaniels: The King of Rock 0:00:08.200 --> 0:00:15.240 Pushkin. When Run DMC Sucker MC started spinning on small 0:00:15.320 --> 0:00:18.200 radio stations around New York City in nineteen eighty three. 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:22.479 Believe it or not, this was new school, the cutting edge. 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:26.280 Sucker MC's was the B side to Run DMC's first single, 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:29.920 It's like that. These songs completely changed the sound of 0:00:30.000 --> 0:00:33.480 hip hop in the early eighties. They're sparse, bass, heavy beats, 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:36.600 and aggressive rhymes. Represented the real hip hop her live 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:39.120 at block parties and clubs and the Bronx and queens. 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:42.040 It was a huge leap forward from the first ever 0:00:42.120 --> 0:00:44.360 hip hop releases from groups like The Sugar Hill Gang 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:47.120 and Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, who are putting 0:00:47.120 --> 0:00:51.400 out polished R and B influenced records. Joseph run Simmons, 0:00:51.479 --> 0:00:54.680 Jason jam Maaster, j Mizelle and our guests today Darryl 0:00:54.760 --> 0:00:58.160 dmc McDaniels came together in nineteen eighty three, not long 0:00:58.200 --> 0:01:02.000 before the release of those first two songs. As Run DMC. 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:04.600 They helped define the look and sound of hip hop 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:08.319 in the eighties worldwide. Their true pioneers, who have had 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:11.280 no shortage of first in their career, including the first 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:14.320 ever hip hop group to go gold, then platinum, then 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:17.639 multi platinum. There were also the first rappers on MTV 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:20.560 and on the cover of Rolling Stone. Rick Reubin and 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:23.240 DMC have been friends since the early days of Run DMC, 0:01:23.800 --> 0:01:26.520 when Rick founded Deaf Jam Records with runs older brother 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:29.360 and produced two of the group's classic albums, and of 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:33.039 course their collaboration with Aerosmith Walked This Way and this 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:36.120 candid conversation between old friends. You'll hear how DMC and 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:39.000 Run formed the group and also how despite a career 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:43.080 full of accolades, DMC struggled for years with suicidal thoughts. 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:45.319 The only thing that kept him alive during its darkest 0:01:45.400 --> 0:01:48.680 days was a song he heard on light FM. Brace 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:51.760 Yourself for a wild story about Sarah McLaughlin's song Angel. 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:57.520 You'll never hear the song the same again. This is 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:01.000 broken record liner notes for the digital a I'm justin 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:06.000 ma Here's Rick Rubin and Darryl dmc McDaniels. Thank you 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:07.880 so much for doing this. First of all, thank you 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:11.120 for having met. The last time we talked, you told 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:19.240 me an incredible story that blew my mind. And it's 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:21.240 been long enough now where I don't remember all of 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:24.920 the details, but I remember I left feeling different than 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:30.880 I felt, Like what you said changed me just hearing 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:34.640 the story. Really Yeah, so maybe you couldn't tell me 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:38.720 the story again? Um, well is it? Is it the 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:43.600 Sarah McLachlan story. Yeah, about how her records saved my life? Yes, 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:48.200 but tell me from the beginning, like, oh, in the beginning, Um, 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:55.600 nineteen ninety three, Yeah, Down went to King, Yes, which 0:02:55.760 --> 0:03:00.359 was produced by Pete Rock, one of the greatest produces. Yes. 0:03:00.680 --> 0:03:05.960 Ever that record Pete hates when I say this, Dan 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:09.800 went the King did for Rundy m c what walked 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:12.919 this way? People say he did for Arrowsmith. It put 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:20.919 us back. Prior to that, we were respected, yes, praised, pioneers, legends, 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:25.040 but hip hop had changed. Yes, nobody cared. We're not 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:27.200 on the radio, We're not on him TV no more. 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:33.160 We had love, but we wasn't participating anymore. So Pete 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:35.800 Rock produces the title track on the Down with the 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:43.200 King album, and that record just put us back on 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:46.560 the road, put us back on a chart, put us 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:50.680 back on tour. Now we're in the midst of what 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:54.000 was going on in the nineties, and you would think 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:59.160 that that would make me happy. And the eighties was again, 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:01.960 eighties money on the nineties were getting the nineties money 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:04.680 when everybody was getting there. As soon as that record 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:07.680 drop Rick, something in me said, I don't want to 0:04:07.680 --> 0:04:13.040 live no more. Was it instantaneous? Did it happen in 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:16.040 a moment or did it build over time? It wasn't 0:04:16.040 --> 0:04:20.680 a moment. It happened. I woke up one day when 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:24.800 everybody was like, Yo, the videos are smash and the records, 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:27.000 you're back on a chart and you're going on the road. 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:29.880 You're gonna open for Naughty by Nature. When we got 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:32.600 on the road, when we started tune, we started making 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:35.479 that money again, something in me just said, I don't 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:39.120 want to live. And it was like disvoiding me and 0:04:40.480 --> 0:04:43.159 I was leaving. I was coming off a stage. Everything. 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:45.080 It was a new feeling. You never had an experience 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:48.799 that I never had experience. Out of the blue, Yes, 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:51.160 out of the blue. And interesting too that it was 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:54.520 triggered by things going good, not by things going bad. Right, 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:59.360 It's interesting, right, exactly, very interesting. Yeah. I tell people that, Yo, 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:03.080 every thing was good in this seven it's interesting. So 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:05.040 I would go back to my hotel room and I 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:07.719 would just lay there and it was just the dread 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:10.839 of the world that was on me, and that happened 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:14.279 probably for like, I don't know, I was going through that. 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:17.080 I was going through that for six and seven. It 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:19.040 was saying six or seven months. And then in six 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:20.920 and seven do you remember how old you were at 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:25.680 that time? I was thirty five, okay, thirty third, thirty four, 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:30.920 thirty five, you know, um And the six or seventh 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:33.960 month for that, I just laid in my band. I said, okay, 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:37.160 what's going on with me? And I went through my 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:40.240 life and who I was. Okay, I'm Daryl McDaniels from 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:43.440 Hollis Queens, New York, bif and and ban is my mother, 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:47.160 Alfred's my brother, remember, son of Bifford, brother of al 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:50.720 bann As my mother, and runs my paler. It's McDaniels, 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:54.440 not McDonald's. These rhymes are Daryl's. Those Burghers are Roynalds. 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:57.520 I ran down my family tree, my mother, my father, 0:05:57.680 --> 0:06:00.960 my brother and me. Okay run my friend, Jay's my 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:03.599 friend just think called hip hop comes over the bridge 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:06.360 from the Bronx. We made one record that was a hit. 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:08.000 We made another record who was a hit. We made 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:11.360 an album Boom Boom. Idida's everything. Now I'm back on 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:13.680 the road. Were down with King lefeisos a good? Why 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:16.719 do I feel like this? Had no idea what it was. 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:22.279 So I'm going through that routine every day, every day, 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:26.480 every day, and that void in me and that feeling 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:30.680 got so uncomfortable that now I'm thinking I don't want 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:32.640 to learn them more. Now you would think I would 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:36.200 have everything ale I'm DMC. I had a wife and 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:39.480 a kid at that time. Down with the King is killing, yes, 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:42.400 But this feeling on me made me say that I 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:46.040 can't live like this. This is very uncomfortable, which is 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:49.159 the worst feeling of it. So now I find myself 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:52.160 trying to think a way to kill myself. We go 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:55.640 over to Europe. I remember we go over to Europe 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:58.839 one time and we was like in Um. We was 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:02.839 in Um Austria somewhere, and we was we wasn't in 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:06.400 the big city, was in those little towns outside of Austria. 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:09.279 And we had did an interview and when we was 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:11.240 up on the roof of the building, I noticed they 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:15.160 didn't have no guardrails like most hotels after guardrails or whatnot. 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:18.480 So after we did the interview, we went back downstairs 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:21.200 and I remember Eric going being a lobby sixth story 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:24.240 for sale, checking order us the routine, and I remember 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:26.800 I went in my room and I waited, okay, run 0:07:26.960 --> 0:07:28.600 Jay and Eric should be in the room stud I 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:31.360 go to my door and I look, nobody's in the hallway. 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:34.000 So I said, let me run upstairs before the hotel 0:07:34.560 --> 0:07:37.080 security gout comes and locks the door again. So I 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:40.440 remember running upstairs and this true story. Run upstairs and 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:43.560 I get up on a ledge and I keep her 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:46.560 aware with y'all I'm standing there, and then something in 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:50.640 me says, y'all if I jump and down to day, 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:55.200 people know the DMC story, run DMC story. They know 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:59.880 just what behind the music, two books, movies, the Wikipedia, Google, 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:03.200 you could find out what I did with me running Jay, 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:06.560 but nobody knows about the little boy Daryl. So I 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:10.000 jumped back down. Can I say, before I kill myself, 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:13.040 I want to write this book. So I didn't want 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:14.640 to kill myself right there, because I wanted to write 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:17.680 a book and say, what's up world, I'm DMC from 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:20.880 the groundbreaking rapt run DMC, First to Go, Go, First 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:22.840 to Go, planting the first On the cover of Rolling Stone, 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:26.360 Blassie blades and blue back. So that was one of 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:30.320 my plans. So we go to Europe, then we go 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:33.000 to Japan. I go to Japan. I'm thinking of going 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:36.079 to the heart one storing, buying, poisoning, and killing myself. 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:38.600 And tell me, I'm just it's bad. I come home. 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:41.520 I'm thinking of shooting myself. Did you tell anyone at 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:45.600 this time? No, no, nobody, nobody were living with all 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:49.400 this pain by myself, suffering with it yourself, right, nobody knows. 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:53.080 Nobody knows. So fast forward. We come home from Europe 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:55.640 one trip, and I'm living in Jersey at this time. 0:08:56.120 --> 0:08:58.600 So this was the this, this was the last straw. 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:01.960 The travel Asian couldn't fly me in the North, so 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:05.720 she flies me in the JFK and I live in Jersey. 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:08.400 So I remember coming home that day and I said 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:11.960 to myself, that's it. Life is so fucking fucked up. 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:15.600 I'm kid, I'm fucking coming home from JFK and I'm 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:18.760 really thinking that like these little things is adding to 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:21.440 this feeling, and so somebody, I'm gonna do it. Nothing fun, 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:25.200 it's over now. This is proof the universe is showing 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:28.320 me I gotta kill myself. So I come out and 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:31.160 I get in the car. I getting a guy. The 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:34.720 guy's talk town card is picking me up, and you 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:37.240 know he's being He turns around, you doing mister McDaniels, Rain, 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:41.280 New Jersey, and I'm like, yes, cool. So we're driving. 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:45.280 As we leave in JFK, we stop at the first 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:47.240 light because it's like two or three lights coming out 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:50.200 of JFK, and I could I saw the guy looking 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:52.160 at me. I felt the guy looking at me in 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:54.760 the reverview mirror. So every time I would turn to 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:56.600 look at him in the mirror, he would turn his head. 0:09:57.559 --> 0:09:59.319 So we got to the second light and I felt 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:01.240 him looking again. I look up, you turn this at 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:05.600 So it got to the third light, I caught him 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:07.760 and when he caught my eyes, he just turned around 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:10.560 and said, mister dmc man, please don't tell my boss man. 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:12.520 I might get fired for this. Man. But when I 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:15.040 was younger, your music got me through the hardest times 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:17.520 in my life. This in that sucking seas I used 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:20.400 to go in my room and your room, your music 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:22.280 got me through the hardest time in your life. And 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:24.520 I'm like, I'm going I'm like, oh cool, cool, So 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:26.440 he said, please don't tell my boys. Man, can I 0:10:26.480 --> 0:10:29.600 get a picture with you? And I'm like, yo, that's yeah, 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:31.920 I don't need a pitch. I'll give you an autograph. 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:35.640 What really? So now he's open. So we drive and 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:37.199 he says, you do your mind if I turn the 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:39.960 radio on, and I'm like yeah. So he turns the 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:42.640 radio to Hot ninety seven. That was the last thing 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:47.080 I wanted to hear. And I'm like, yo, man, turn 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:49.360 it to any of the station and except that, and 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:53.560 he's like okay. So he turns the station, turns it 0:10:53.600 --> 0:10:58.840 to light FM. I hear these pianos boom, boom, and 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:01.800 then I hit his voice, It's been all your time 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:07.000 waiting for that second chance. I hear Sarah maclachlin's Arms 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:11.160 of the Angel and something said, yo, d life may 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:15.640 be messed up, but if something this beautiful exists, it's 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:18.920 good to be alive every day. So for one whole year, 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:22.440 all I did every day I walk up was listening 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:25.720 to the song. When I went to the gym. I'm 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:28.000 back in the gym. People looking at me. They're probably 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:32.200 thinking I'm listening to the LEDs Zethelin or some techno 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:35.240 or something. I had that on every day for a 0:11:35.320 --> 0:11:39.199 whole year. At the end of that year, Eric, who 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:43.400 was still with me now him and Tracy Miller, our publicist, 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:46.840 was like, keep Darryl busy. We know he's going to something, 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:48.760 so he was just trying to keep me busy. So 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:51.599 Eric gets tickets to come out here to LA to 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:54.600 Clive davis Grammy party. He comes to me and said, 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:57.080 jo d Man, We're going to LA. I got two 0:11:57.080 --> 0:12:01.480 tickets to grow fuck Clive Davis LA. For all I 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:03.440 need to do is stay here and listen to the 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:07.600 Sarah mclochny story. He's like, Yo, come on here. I said, no, 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:09.480 I don't need to do nothing, and he just looks 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:11.880 at me and this only this is funny, this only bething. 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:13.200 He looks at me and said, yo, d I worked 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:16.120 real hard to get these tickets because it's I said, 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:18.319 this fool probably gonna sold his soul to the devil 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:21.120 to go to Clive david stupid party. And I say, okay, Ja, Eric, 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:23.319 I'm gonna go with you. So Eric is like, Yo, 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:26.560 he's doing a manager, Yo, go do the red carpet. 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:29.280 You know, he's thinking business, this networking stuff like that. 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:31.680 I said, motherfucker, I only came here because of your 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:34.720 ass wanted to come to the stupid party. I'm staying 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:36.880 one album. I'm pulling up a chair right head by 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:39.520 this door, and the one album going back to my 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:42.679 room to listen to Sarah Mclocklin because it was just 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:47.040 something in that record, the vibal of it made me 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:50.240 feel not alone no more. Do you think it's the 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:54.120 words or the music or the combination. I think it 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:59.160 was a combination of it, especially in this dark, cold 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:02.840 hotel room. She knows because that's what I was doing, 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:06.559 I see. And she felt like she was singing to you. Yep, 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:10.360 like she made that, like that record was made for me. Yes, 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:13.360 you know what I'm saying. So I go to the 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:16.400 I'm Clive Davis party and Eric it's like yo, come on, 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:20.560 and I'm like countdown now, but again it's fifty ninety seven. 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:25.040 So he walks away frustrated. So I'm sitting there, hey, 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:29.480 um by the front door. Stevie Wonder comes in. His 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:32.760 boy seen me, and his boy turns Steven to be like, yo, Stevie, 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:35.640 come over him. N DMC wanted me too, So Stevie 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:37.800 comes over to me and I'm in my head, I'm 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:40.040 that just true story work. I'm like this, I'm talking 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:45.800 to myself, Stevie, fucking wonder the motherfucker fallen busses. Yeah, 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:50.120 really like the fun don't yeah, don't come on the 0:13:50.120 --> 0:13:53.160 fuck Steve before like I was, I said that, Wow, 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:55.800 so his boy come. I'm smiling, Hey, Stevie, listening it. 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:58.319 You guys are great. Whatever. He walks away and it 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:02.520 had nothing to do with him. It just like all 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:06.600 of this is bullshit, all the fucking see. Yeah, he 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:11.360 walks away. Next person cause Alicia Keys comes in. She 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:14.280 sees me, oh dmc oh, I know Ryn, I know, 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:17.960 Russellulan Camre. I never see you. How you doing? Fucking 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:21.080 Alicia killed the fucking piano falls and breaks your finger. 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:24.680 Like I'm just thinking, and I'm laughing now because I 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:27.480 can't believe it was thinking like that, get away from me, 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:30.440 like fucking come over here, like and she walks away. 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:34.280 I look up, who's coming in? A lady that made 0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:39.120 that record? Oh my god, Sarah, and you and you 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:42.440 recognize that, yes, oh my god, that's that lady who 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:45.120 made that record. Like I knew of northing, but I 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:48.280 didn't even know. Oh shoot, so some let me see 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:50.080 r D get up and go over there and tell 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:52.960 her about what her music did. So I'm walking over 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:56.160 to Sarah and she sees me run DMC. It's tricky 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:58.920 to rocker Ryn, rocker Ryn, it's right on time. My 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:01.960 didas she does the being boys stands like, yo, you 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:05.000 guys are great whatever whatever. So in my head I go, yo, 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:07.800 See Daryl, that's the reason to stay alive. Even Sarah 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:10.920 McLaughlin like your music, so I just go, Miss McLaughlin, 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:13.880 I just want to tell you the name of the 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:15.880 record is an Angel. You sound like an angel. People 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:17.520 say you're an angel, but you're not an angel to me. 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:19.400 Your God. Every day of my living there for the 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:21.440 last year, all I do is listen to your record. 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:23.200 It's the crutch that I stand on. It's the thing 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:25.200 that gets me to my day. I just rant and 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:27.720 raved us. So I finished. I'm standing in the sweating 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:30.480 So she's looking at me like this, So Shana what 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:32.200 to say? She was like, damn, I just wanted to 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:33.920 say how it is ass, But she looks at me 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:36.600 and says, thank you for telling me that, Daryl, that's 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:39.800 what music is supposed to do, shakes my hand and 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:42.400 walks away. So you know me the fay. I'm never 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:45.560 watching this hand again. I'm just feeling good, like that 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:47.800 was the best thing ever and stuff like that. Eric 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:51.440 comes over. I'm shining like the sun. Now what happened 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:53.560 to yo? I'm just met Sara mcluklin and this and 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:56.160 it so that made me today. So I go home 0:15:57.000 --> 0:15:59.320 and I go, um, y'all finally, you know, I want 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:00.960 to write this book. I'm gonna write this book. So 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:02.120 I said in a book I want to do that. 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:04.600 I'm gonna say, yo, what's up world. I'm Daryl McDaniels 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:07.080 from Holles Queens, New York, from the groundbreaking rap group 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:09.520 run DMC, first to Go Go First, to go Platinum, 0:16:09.680 --> 0:16:12.280 first on the cover Rolling Stone, for all of that stuff. 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:15.440 But I'm really just Darrel Matthews McDaniels from hollesce Queen's, 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:18.040 New York. Was born May thirty first, nineteen sixty four. 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:20.520 And when I got to that part of my identity, 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:22.880 I was like, oh, I know my birthday, but I 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:25.560 don't know no details about the dad was born. So 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:28.840 I called my mother and I go, hey, Mom, I'm 0:16:28.840 --> 0:16:30.880 writing this book. I didn't say I'm writing this book 0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:32.720 just in case I die and kill myself because she 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:34.720 would have lost it. I just want to know a 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:37.240 couple of more details about the dad was born, how 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:39.040 much did I weigh? What time I always born in 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:41.560 my hospital? So she tells me, thank you, Mama, I 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:44.000 love you. Hang up the phone. An hour goes by, 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:48.080 the phone rings. It's my mother and my father. Hey son, 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:51.000 Hey dad, what's going on? We have something else to 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:58.440 tell you. So I'm a metaphysical suicidal religious emotional records 0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:01.520 about to commit suicide. The only thing keeping me from 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:04.600 jumping is this Sarah mclock corectly. My mother father hit 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:07.359 me with this. Um, we have something else to tell you, Okay, 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:09.520 what is it? You was a month old when we 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:11.760 brought you home, and you're adopted, but we love you 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:19.560 by click wow wing stop ricking wow my god. Now 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:23.000 you know when I heard that, I wasn't with you me. 0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:25.800 I'm not Byford and Paris and you're my whole fan. 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:28.480 I rhymed about you Christmas time and I was queen. 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:33.720 But what the hell is going on? Universe? That's unbelievable. 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:37.480 And it was really a short conversation that that quick. 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:39.639 We have someone else to tell you, Okay, what is it? 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:41.680 You was a month old when we brought you home 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:44.800 and we love you by click because it was when 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:47.720 I think because they were just they didn't know how 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:49.600 to handle. They said, we have to tell him. My 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:51.560 mother hung up the phone and said, Byford, he's writing 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:53.639 a book and he's about there. My father was like, 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:56.240 we gotta call him back and let him know. It 0:17:56.359 --> 0:17:58.520 was a secret. They hit from me, my whole life. Yes, 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:01.800 even though it's as trum manica, is that retive revelation 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:08.760 was Yes, all of that trauma, in the shock, the 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:14.399 destroying capacity of that revelation. Yes, something happened where a 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:18.199 calm just came over me, Something made me realize devoid 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:21.080 in me that started making me what the hell is 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:23.520 going on? Down with the king? Is it? There was 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:27.359 a missing piece to my identity. Wow. I'm John McDaniels, Hollies, Queens, 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:29.440 New York, son of Bye friend Man Diet has walked 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:32.800 this way. But I'm adopting just a quick break and 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:40.159 we'll get right back into DMC's story. We're back with DMC, 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:44.120 who's telling a powerful story about his depression. After years 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:46.680 of fighting suicidal thoughts, he received a phone call from 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:49.720 his parents informing him that he was adopted. There was 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:53.560 a missing piece to my identity. I'm John McDaniels, Hollies, Queens, 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:55.680 New York, son of Bye friend man Diet has walked 0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:59.040 this way, but I'm adopting. Wow. So I came to 0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:02.879 the revelation. I didn't fight that, yes, well this and that. 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:04.800 I said, Okay, I know what that means because I'm 0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:07.440 a good student. That means I have another mother and 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:10.000 the father, and there's this whole other part of me. 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:13.200 But now that I'm adopted, that's just part of who 0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:16.760 I am. And then the next thing was, oh, maybe 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:20.959 I can help somebody, beautiful, Maybe I can help somebody. Now, 0:19:21.000 --> 0:19:23.680 I gotta don't kill yourself, D, because you can rhyme 0:19:23.760 --> 0:19:26.760 and you make records for a reason. So I was like, oh, 0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:29.439 I'm gonna get that lady who made a record that 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:33.120 helped me. I'm gonna make I'm gonna make it with her. 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:36.520 So I'm like, Eric, get Sarah on the phone. D. 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:38.800 What's the hell? You don't know what the hell is 0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:41.280 going on? You know what I'm saying. I'm say, just 0:19:41.320 --> 0:19:44.840 getting on the phone. Kill Okay. Um. It took like 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:47.760 probably it was a day later, Eric calls me, yo, 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:51.000 d pick up your phone. In five minute, Sarah's gonna 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:56.200 call you phone ring, Hi, Daryl, It's Sarah. So now Rick, 0:19:56.280 --> 0:19:58.359 you know, I'm like, oh man, I'm sweating. Now I'm like, 0:19:58.400 --> 0:20:01.119 oh man. And she thought it was crazy, you know. 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:03.600 And this was a period of three years after I 0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:05.439 met her. I forgot to tell you that. This was 0:20:05.480 --> 0:20:08.000 three years later when all this happened, and you've had 0:20:08.080 --> 0:20:13.439 no contacts and no contact with her. At the party, yeah, 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:16.280 you talked to her for two minutes yep. And then 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:19.760 oh yeah, but I'm listening to the right you know. 0:20:19.800 --> 0:20:21.600 On top of that, here's the funny part about there. 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:24.879 On top of that, it all started with the Angel record. 0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:28.240 But after that, my wife goes out and Boss building 0:20:28.240 --> 0:20:30.720 a mystery and all the previous albums, So now I 0:20:30.800 --> 0:20:34.200 know all those others songs. So Sarah's on the phone 0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:36.400 and I go, hey, miss mclaucher, how are you doing. 0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:38.480 She says, how are you doing? And I was like, 0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:40.880 she's funny, I said, remember when I met you three 0:20:40.920 --> 0:20:42.840 years ago. She says, how could I forget you? You 0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:46.000 call me god? So she was like she had I 0:20:46.080 --> 0:20:48.359 was like, yeah, yeah, I said, well, remember when I 0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:50.480 met you and I told you what your music did 0:20:50.600 --> 0:20:52.320 for me, And she said yeah. I said, well, I 0:20:52.400 --> 0:20:55.280 just found out that I'm adopted, and I want to 0:20:55.280 --> 0:20:57.719 make a song that's going to speak to some people 0:20:57.760 --> 0:21:00.360 who you know, the orphans and the four us two 0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:02.520 kids and adopted kids like me. And I want to 0:21:02.520 --> 0:21:05.960 make a song and I want to use Harry Chapin's 0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:09.160 Cats in the Cradle. Will you do this re record 0:21:09.200 --> 0:21:12.160 with me? Immediately she goes, sure, yes, I'll do it, 0:21:13.040 --> 0:21:15.439 because usually it's let me talk to my label, let 0:21:15.480 --> 0:21:17.600 me talk to my man. And I'm like, oh, I'm 0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:19.760 like really, really okay, I'll bring you to New York 0:21:19.800 --> 0:21:22.280 City this when a hit factory was still open. I'll 0:21:22.320 --> 0:21:23.760 put you in the hit factory just in there. I 0:21:23.840 --> 0:21:25.719 put you in the Fourth Sea. She says, no, Darryl, 0:21:26.080 --> 0:21:28.400