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Speaker 1: Believe it or not, this was new school, the cutting edge.

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Speaker 1: Sucker MC's was the B side to Run DMC's first single,

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Speaker 1: It's like that. These songs completely changed the sound of

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Speaker 1: Jason jam Maaster, j Mizelle and our guests today Darryl

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Speaker 1: dmc McDaniels came together in nineteen eighty three, not long

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Speaker 1: They helped define the look and sound of hip hop

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Speaker 1: in the eighties worldwide. Their true pioneers, who have had

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Speaker 1: and on the cover of Rolling Stone. Rick Reubin and

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Speaker 1: DMC have been friends since the early days of Run DMC,

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Speaker 1: course their collaboration with Aerosmith Walked This Way and this

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Speaker 1: candid conversation between old friends. You'll hear how DMC and

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Speaker 1: Run formed the group and also how despite a career

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Speaker 1: The only thing that kept him alive during its darkest

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Speaker 1: days was a song he heard on light FM. Brace

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Speaker 1: Yourself for a wild story about Sarah McLaughlin's song Angel.

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Speaker 1: You'll never hear the song the same again. This is

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Speaker 1: broken record liner notes for the digital a I'm justin

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Speaker 1: ma Here's Rick Rubin and Darryl dmc McDaniels. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for doing this. First of all, thank you

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Speaker 1: for having met. The last time we talked, you told

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Speaker 1: I felt, Like what you said changed me just hearing

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Speaker 1: the story. Really Yeah, so maybe you couldn't tell me

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Speaker 1: the story again? Um, well is it? Is it the

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Speaker 1: Sarah McLachlan story. Yeah, about how her records saved my life? Yes,

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Speaker 1: but tell me from the beginning, like, oh, in the beginning, Um,

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three, Yeah, Down went to King, Yes, which

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Speaker 1: Ever that record Pete hates when I say this, Dan

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Speaker 1: this way? People say he did for Arrowsmith. It put

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Speaker 1: us back. Prior to that, we were respected, yes, praised, pioneers, legends,

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Speaker 1: but hip hop had changed. Yes, nobody cared. We're not

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Speaker 1: We had love, but we wasn't participating anymore. So Pete

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Speaker 1: the road, put us back on a chart, put us

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Speaker 1: back on tour. Now we're in the midst of what

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Speaker 1: life and who I was. Okay, I'm Daryl McDaniels from

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Speaker 1: So I'm going through that routine every day, every day,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, yo, what's up world. I'm Daryl McDaniels

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Speaker 1: by click wow wing stop ricking wow my god. Now

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Speaker 1: What's the hell? You don't know what the hell is

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Speaker 1: On top of that, here's the funny part about there.

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Speaker 1: was like, yeah, yeah, I said, well, remember when I

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Speaker 1: like really, really okay, I'll bring you to New York

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Speaker 1: and you can if anybody ask me, what do you

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Speaker 1: And I did not know that. I did not. Everybody

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00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:26,120
Speaker 1: with me, Eric and the people from UM it was UM,

420
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,600
Speaker 1: the publicists with me, and some other people that Arista

421
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 1: Records has sent with me, they all lost it. I

422
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 1: did not know she was adopted too. How crazy is that?

423
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 1: It's amazing, it's amas crazy, it's amazed, it's beautiful. And

424
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:47,360
Speaker 1: ever in the music. Yeah, it's in the music. It's

425
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,720
Speaker 1: and felt it in the music. Yep, and ever ever

426
00:22:50,840 --> 00:23:00,440
Speaker 1: since that day, um my thing was suicide, anxiety, lone leanness,

427
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,119
Speaker 1: this and that. Yo, we all, Oh you are not alone. Yes,

428
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,919
Speaker 1: I was in a place where, you know, even when

429
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 1: I found out I was adopted, I didn't feel right

430
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 1: around Running, Jay and Eric and them because they didn't

431
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 1: understand what was going on to me. And even Run

432
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,360
Speaker 1: even said because he don't know, Run said to him,

433
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,679
Speaker 1: and he was right, he said, motherfucker's see how Run is?

434
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 1: Motherfuckers sucking a bifon and Banners your mother and father.

435
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 1: And I looked at Runner, I said, I know that,

436
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 1: But also I have a right to these other emotions

437
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 1: because when I found out what I was adopted, immediately

438
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 1: I'll started going, I wonder if what my mother was

439
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 1: to look like? And this and so all of those

440
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,639
Speaker 1: wild why why was I giving up this? And that?

441
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,200
Speaker 1: Boom bag? But I was able to maintain those through

442
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 1: the music. Yes, knowing that I'm bifing and Banner is

443
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 1: the bomb. Yes, you know what I'm saying. And they

444
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 1: were and they were your mom and dad, your whole

445
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 1: life and great exactly and great that example, and they

446
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 1: chose you. Yeah, that's a whole other level. That's a hope.

447
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:04,640
Speaker 1: They chose right. They chose you, so Sarah, and then

448
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 1: you know it's deeply in the music too. That's why

449
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 1: I identify with her vibe identified. There was nothing on

450
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 1: its earth, yes, that made me feel like staying here

451
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 1: except of you know what I'm saying. It was public

452
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 1: information that she was adopted, but she don't talk about it.

453
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 1: I didn't have to die for that. No, it was

454
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 1: just amazing. I'm wondering if you know they say as souls,

455
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 1: we choose our parents, and I'm and it's interesting that

456
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:47,160
Speaker 1: your your parents chose you, and and that on some

457
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 1: level you felt that you felt but you felt that

458
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:55,360
Speaker 1: disconnect because we're used to picking like right, right, right.

459
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 1: I had so much love, like growing up, I had

460
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 1: so much love that there was never thought in my

461
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 1: mind that I wasn't a McDaniels. Yes. The funny thing Rick,

462
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 1: after all of this was happening, after the whole Sarah thing,

463
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 1: and all of that confidence had me say, yo, go

464
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:16,719
Speaker 1: to therapy, d Yes, deal with your feelings. It's okay

465
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: to have this feelings even if the world think you

466
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 1: and you're not a knuckle and you're not weird, you're

467
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 1: not crazy. You need to go talk to somebody yes,

468
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 1: So I went to therapy. And matter of fact, I

469
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: went to therapy. I've discovered therapy because that helped me

470
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 1: stop drinking. Because member, I used to drink a lot

471
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,679
Speaker 1: of forties. Yes, I used to drink a lot of drinker.

472
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 1: I was drinking a case of forties a day. Wow.

473
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 1: But I stopped. This is funny, Oh, I forgot to

474
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: tell you that before Down with the King came out.

475
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety one, I was diagnosed with a cute pancreatitis.

476
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,199
Speaker 1: So I was in the hospital for a month and

477
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 1: a half. I couldn't take anything orally. I had to

478
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: take all my nurse man intravenously because I was like, yo,

479
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 1: your liver and your pear cris is going bananas. So

480
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 1: now I'm scared. But here's a miraculous thing. All my

481
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: tests came back clean. And I was drinking that Not

482
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 1: only that, I was drinking brass Monkey with the dcs,

483
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 1: Bacardi and coke in that era. And then in ninety

484
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 1: one I stopped. My doctor looked at me and said,

485
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 1: you have two choices, son, you could um drink and

486
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 1: die or not drink and live. So I was I

487
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: wasn't drinking during down with the king Um in two thousand.

488
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 1: Though in two thousand I started drinking again. Me and

489
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 1: Sarah did the record this and that. But this is funny.

490
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: I wasn't dealing with the feelings. You know what I'm

491
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 1: saying A resolve in my head. I'm okay, I said

492
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 1: to myself, okay. But I really wasn't okay because I

493
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 1: didn't sit there and you know, let's let's talk about

494
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: how do you feel about being adopted? How do you

495
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 1: feel about your mother and father not telling you this

496
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 1: and that. I just looked at I'm good, I love

497
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: being and there. But I kind of had these emotions.

498
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 1: And when the emotions started rising up, I started drinking again.

499
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 1: When I stopped drinking in ninety one, it was Bacardi

500
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: and coke and rum and coke and screwdrivers and all English.

501
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 1: Now starting to drink again. Now I got this new

502
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 1: thing called Hennessey and Jim Bean Jack Daniel. So I

503
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: was drinking that and my wife looked at me. This

504
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 1: is what made me go to rehab to stop drinking.

505
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 1: My wife looked at me. In UM two thousand and four,

506
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: I said, I'm drinking to celebrate my victory and my

507
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: new found missing identity. My wife said, motherfucker, you're drinking

508
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 1: because you can't handle the fact that your parents just

509
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 1: told you you were adopted. And that made me go, wow,

510
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: stop living a life, dy stop living a lie. D Yeah,

511
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 1: of course you're happy. It's Sarah record this and that

512
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 1: and not going to kill yourself no more. But now

513
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: I subconsciously found a way to kill myself and not

514
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: have to deal with them, because that's that's well, I'm

515
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: already thinking of killing myself. Now my parents revealing me

516
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,239
Speaker 1: you're adopted, you're gonna feel some way about it. Did

517
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: where that the initial I'll call it depression, the first

518
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 1: round of when I first hit you, I didn't know

519
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: it was that. Yeah, but we'll call it that. So

520
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: now we're on the same we're using the same terms.

521
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: When the depression hit. Had you already stopped drinking that

522
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: first time? Yeah, because I'm stop drinking, that's when the

523
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 1: depression came. That's what I was just gonna say, is

524
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: that maybe, but you must be a therapist because you're

525
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: leading this right into what happened. It makes perfect sense.

526
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: It makes perfect sense that you stopped drinking and then

527
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 1: you started feeling your feelings. Yes, Greg, my wife says

528
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: that to me. I city, I can't deny She's right. Eric,

529
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: Kathy yes from the office Kathy and Eric goes to

530
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: Leo and says, Leo, we gotta fucking put d in rehab.

531
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: So I'm not kidding you. I'm not. I was a

532
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: functional drug, yes, you know. I wasn't like you, d Man,

533
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: you're fucking killing yourself. Yes. I found a way not

534
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 1: to use the gun, not to jump, and not to

535
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: drink toison do the thing that my wife said. Mother,

536
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: she said, Darrel, it's not like you. You should doctor

537
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: already told doctor already told you that it's going to

538
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: kill you, and you're doing it like it's Yeah, I

539
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: go into rehab to stop drinking. When I went in

540
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: to rehab to stop drinking as well, I could discover therapy.

541
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: Rick is so crazy. You know what. I was diagnosed

542
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: with suppressed emotions. My therapist said, you was drinking so

543
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: you didn't have to deal with your feeling, he said,

544
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: all through the time. The first question he asked me

545
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: was this when I went into therapy, he said, Daryl,

546
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: during your career with run DMC, did run JA or

547
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,479
Speaker 1: anybody ever do anything to make you mad, and I

548
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: said no. I sat there and I said no. Rick,

549
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: my therapist m he was. I was thirty five when

550
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: I went into therapy. My therapist was he had to be.

551
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: I think it was like forty six or forty seven.

552
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: He knew how I was and stuff like that. He

553
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: came in with the white doctor cloak on and the

554
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: notepad and everything. Daryl, during your career with running him

555
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: see that anybody ever do anything to make you mad?

556
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: You know I'm sitting there thinking I gotta go. No.

557
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 1: He put his head, true servant, he put his bad down,

558
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: he stood up, he took off his doctor cloak. He

559
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 1: wanted to get real with me. And he looked me

560
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:21,719
Speaker 1: in my eyes and he said, you a goddamn motherfucking liar.

561
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: And when he said that to me, yeah, man, in

562
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: eighty five, when they like, he said what I would do,

563
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: and he said my problem was this, and he said

564
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: it had a lot to do with um post traumatic

565
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: thing from being adopted. Yes, I didn't want to be

566
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: given away again. I want to be the guy. Don't

567
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: don't think that I didn't know. Subconsciously, I knew my

568
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 1: first mother gave me away, So I want to be.

569
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: I don't want to be a troublemaker. I don't want

570
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: to call me running Jay. Never I shout it though,

571
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: Yeah me running Jay. I watched Running Jay. You see

572
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: the motherfuck? They would argue and this is it. I

573
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: would sit there, What you would you like me to do?

574
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: I don't want to be a troublemaker. I was diagnosed

575
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: with suppressed emotions. Makes sense because I was using the

576
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: old English, yes to suppressed. That's why I mean every

577
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: ray drunk Old English. He just didn't drink a case.

578
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:14,239
Speaker 1: Smith drunk three. I drunk twelve. Yes, as soon as

579
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: the how I was going on to me, I don't

580
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: want to I want to feel. I was diagnosed with

581
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: suppressed emotions, so I went in to stop drinking. When

582
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: I went in the rehab as where I discovered therapy,

583
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: which was the best thing for me, because then now

584
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: I'm dealing with my truth. How do you feel? Yes,

585
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: I gotta saying, now you might not have even known

586
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: how you felt before because you're so suppressed. Yes, exactly,

587
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: he said, Yo, d your truth is how you really feel.

588
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: And he said it's okay to feel the way that

589
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: you feel, and he looked at me. He said, Yo,

590
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: if you don't admit how you feel, whether good or bad,

591
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:52,239
Speaker 1: you never heal. Wow. And that journey all led up

592
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: from hearing that Sarah McLaughlin record in the car. Amazing, crazy,

593
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: amazing story. We'll be right back with dmcter the break.

594
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: We're back with more from DMC. Let's talk about your

595
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: first memories of hip hop as a kid. What was

596
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: the what's the first first experience of anything having to

597
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: do with rapper hip hop? Um, we've never talked about this.

598
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: Seventh grade Saint Pascal Baylon Elementary School. Billy Morris was

599
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: in the eighth grade. He was he was older than us, me,

600
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: David Sinclair, and I forgot who else was in the

601
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: schoolyard playing basketball on the one room that's the Catholic

602
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: school and in the schoolyard, and Billy goes, Yo, come in.

603
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: We said, Yo, why Billy want us? Let's tell YO.

604
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: He probably want us to smoke some reefer or something like.

605
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: This is before I even took a pull on the

606
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: joint and whatever. So Billy does what the bullies usually do. Yo,

607
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: I said, come here. I ain't gonna say it again,

608
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: so me I'll go Yo. It's three of us in

609
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: one of him. If he tried anything, we ain't know

610
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: what was gonna happen. It's three of us want to

611
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: try anything. You gotta jump him. So we're scared. We

612
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: come over Billy scared because we think we gotta fight

613
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: now smoke refer He says, Yo, check this out. He

614
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: pulls out a flat tape recorder. This is before the

615
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: boom box even existed. They was in schools and you

616
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,959
Speaker 1: push the jacket pops up like that. You thought he

617
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: had one of those. He said, check this out. He

618
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: hit play and something said, dad, tact dad, And then

619
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: a voice said, when you messed around in New Yorktown,

620
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: you go down with the disco Cheeba clown. You go down,

621
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: go down, go down. You just keep the pep in

622
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: your step. You don't stop till you get on the

623
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: mountain top and when you reach the top, you reach

624
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: your peak. That's when you hear Eddie Cheeba's speak. And

625
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: it stopped a minute and thirty said, yo, do that again.

626
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: He did it again. We stood in the school yard

627
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: for three hours listening to it. I didn't know what

628
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: I didn't know what whatever that was it was the

629
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: I felt it it was the coolest thing ever. We

630
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: start different. I was just listening to that over and

631
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: it was just a little one minute one little kid

632
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: had static and everything. So I had to the recording

633
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: from alive. It was from a pirate radio um WFUV

634
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: Eddie Chiba had a Wednesday night. He had a station.

635
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: Only some people in Queen's could get it if you,

636
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 1: depending where you was your house was situated. So I

637
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: hit Billy with the question, your billy, man, can I

638
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 1: hold your tape? Hell no, Daryl mcdann, you just can't

639
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: hold my mother fucking tape this and that. You know, Billy,

640
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: I'll give you my allowance. I'll run home and give you.

641
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: I'll steal my father's car keys and give you. He's like, yeah,

642
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: y'all come home and no. So he saw he just

643
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: saw that I really wanted. It was a Friday afternoon.

644
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: He said, Daryl, you're a good kid. You can hold up.

645
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 1: Bring my fucking tape back Monday morning. Yes, So the

646
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: whole weekend, Friday night, all the way till Saturday Sunday,

647
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: I hated. I dreaded to give it back back. The

648
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: whole weekend. I just sat there listening to that over

649
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: and over and over. Monday, I gave it back to

650
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: Billy and that was it, Rickett, that was it. I

651
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: went back to my comic book Skateboard Bike Riding Self,

652
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: Summer Comes School, let's out, Summer Comes Now. Because of

653
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: the tape, it was always here, but I I it

654
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: wasn't my world yet. Now I'm noticing, Oh, that's what

655
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: they do in the park when the van comes and

656
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: they put the records out, and then they played the

657
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: speakers on and they started talking over the music. It

658
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: was still pretty new, right, it's so new. Oh no,

659
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 1: if it hadn't really had it was very new and

660
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: soaked in. Like I heard it and didn't know about it.

661
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 1: I heard it and then went away. Yes, so that's

662
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 1: when I started, No, oh, that's it was just this,

663
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: rick I'm round my bike to the part. So at

664
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: that time they were probably no, there wasn't even um

665
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 1: nobody knew what was going on in the Bronx. It

666
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: was just happening live at parties, every block part right,

667
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 1: So that summer even for the sugar Hill gag, right,

668
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: we had way before the sugar Hill gag. This this

669
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: probably was what the seventy this seventy but I remember

670
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 1: the bi centennial came when the by centennial quarters came

671
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 1: out the seven seventy eight, it was seventy eight because

672
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 1: I graduated. I graduated eighth grade in seventy nine. This

673
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: was seventy eight. So my brother comes to me, so, Jo, Daryl,

674
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,720
Speaker 1: we gotta get some turntables in the mix. And I'm like, yeah, okay, okay,

675
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: you know I'm the little brother whatever whatever. So we

676
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,240
Speaker 1: had a problem. Rick. We didn't sell weed. The guysa

677
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: so we have money. They was getting the good stuff.

678
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 1: All we had was my mother and father's receiver with

679
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: their their bullshit turntable and two bullshit win speakers. My

680
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 1: brother Alpha, we had a whole bit big comic book collection.

681
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: He said, Yo, we're gonna do a comic book sales,

682
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: so we could get enough money to get one Gemini'm

683
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: Up and Down mix up and one more BSR Wood turntable.

684
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: So we did that. So the next thing that happened,

685
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: this is when it began for me. A friend of

686
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 1: mine had a box up the cassette thing with this

687
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: guy named Grandmaster Flash and Grandmass. The Flash was doing

688
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 1: the Real Good Times, which rappers the like sample. But

689
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 1: he made it do this. It came on, um, you know,

690
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: good bees are the good time and the guy was

691
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 1: on the mike, Ladies and gentlemen, gentlemen, the Grand brand

692
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: Master Master flat, and I was those vocals were more

693
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: dynamic than hip hop. Down was what the fuck with

694
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: the cho What the hell is this, Ladies and gentlemen,

695
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: The Grand Master flash that she said, ding ling ling

696
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: ling ling, good times, boom boom, boom, bump bump, bump bump,

697
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: good times, boom boom. By the fuck he's a doing

698
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: no bump, bump, bump, bump, good tip. Then it's a

699
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 1: good time, good Denn, it's a good good, good good.

700
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna cut the funk out of there because you've

701
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: got magic rigors, no video. I'm listening. What the fire

702
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: did he make good times? Do that shit? So now

703
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: I go down in the basement and I'm taking my

704
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: brothers records and Anthony's things, and I'm trying to do

705
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 1: the thing I heard on the tape. Took me a

706
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: while to get it, but then I was able to

707
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: do the quick mix of good Times great. I was

708
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: my own DJ, my DJ name. In my basement, I

709
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: was pretending I was Grandmaster Get High because you don't

710
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: need all English a weed because my music will intoxic

711
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 1: ate you. So it was Grandmaster Get High and MC

712
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 1: eazy D. I was both of them and were fifteen

713
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: fifteen years old, and it was all make belief, pretending,

714
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: and it was just for yourself. It was I didn't

715
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: want to make records and stuff like that. It's just

716
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: for me, beautiful. It was yet the same way girls

717
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,959
Speaker 1: played with Barbie and dudes play with g I Joe.

718
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: I was pretending to be whatever that thing that these

719
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 1: guys do that not me. Yes, it was pretend, but

720
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: it was the best feeling ever. That's amazing. After that,

721
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,280
Speaker 1: what happened was remembered. I went to Saint Pascal Bayline

722
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:45,720
Speaker 1: Elementary School. So now my routine was to come home,

723
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 1: you know, do my homework first whatever, watch Adam's family

724
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: offense stones or whatever, and then um, after I took

725
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,280
Speaker 1: my shower, whatever, mom, I'm going out in the basement.

726
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 1: That was my whole routine run. Joseph Simmons was always

727
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: in the other class, and we would get out of

728
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 1: school two ten, so we'd be at my house plus

729
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: two twenty and my parents would get home at four PM.

730
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: He sees me and my brother's turn tables and he

731
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: looks and he goes, Joe, do you do that? And

732
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 1: I go, no, it's it's myself. I go, nah, that's

733
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,760
Speaker 1: my brother's turntable. So then Joe goes, Yo, my brother's

734
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 1: Russell Russ. You ever see those flyers that's up on

735
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: the telephone poles. I'm like yeah, So now I'm playing

736
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 1: like I don't care. I got an entrance bold your

737
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: brother does this rap day? He says, yeah, my brother's

738
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: Russell Russe. He chose parties and um he promotes Curtis

739
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: Blow and like he starts dropping names and stuff like that.

740
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 1: I know Bam Bota and um um DJ Hollywood. So I'm,

741
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: you know, acting like I don't care and stuff like that.

742
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: So I go I dabbled a little bit, and Joe goes, yeah,

743
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: let me see what you could do. So I'll go

744
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: over to turn tables. I'm showing off now Lean Lan

745
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: lan Lee, good times, bon Bone, good time. Oh. Joe's like,

746
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: oh shit, Well Joe knew how to DJ, but he

747
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: ain't know how the batsman. So I said, he said, Yo,

748
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: you gotta teach me how to do that. Man, so

749
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: when I do when I go out with Curtis Blow,

750
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,479
Speaker 1: when my brother brings about to Curtis Blow, I'm gonna

751
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: do that shit for Curtis Blow. So the routine was,

752
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: now we're gonna come to my house from two twenty

753
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: to like, uh, from two twenty to three o'clock, we're

754
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: gonna play basketball. But from three o'clock to three thirty five,

755
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna go in the basement. We're gonna DJ and

756
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 1: stuff like that. So we started doing that. When we

757
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: started doing that, that's when Joe's now he's coming over.

758
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 1: He's bringing cassette tapes. Yo, this is me with Curtis

759
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: Blow up Barn Martin and you hear Kurt my disco

760
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: son DJ Run and then you're a joke. I'm on

761
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 1: bust his little rhyme and stuff like that. So now

762
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: I'm intrigued. But the whole time Rick he does that, Joe, Wow,

763
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: you really do it like it's far from my mind.

764
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: So the next time we're in the basement, were in

765
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: a basement, I'll never forget. Joe was on the turn No,

766
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 1: I was on the turntables, and I would always make

767
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 1: peanut butter and jelly and potato chips for whoever was

768
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: visiting my house. So Joe was sitting there and he

769
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: picks up my black and white notebooks and he goes, Joe, Daryl,

770
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: you rots. And I was like, yeah, this, you know,

771
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: it's just a hobby. He's like, yoh, this is really good.

772
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: And he looks at me, reckon, I'll never forget the

773
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,720
Speaker 1: day he goes, and it seemed like the whole world

774
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: sloop slows down. When my brother Russell lets me make

775
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: my record, I'm putting you in my group. So I

776
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 1: look at him, like this record one day you're out

777
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: the other What the fuck did you like? Foreign language?

778
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: What the hell do then think? No? Now what the fun?

779
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: No like? And I was like, I don't do this.

780
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 1: That's cram flash y'all like do this. I graduate um

781
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: um um. June of eighty two and August of eighty two.

782
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: You know, me and Joe was hanging out. I've seeing

783
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 1: him hang with button stuff. August eighty two. I'll never

784
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: forget the phone rings. It's Joe and he goes, Yo,

785
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: d Remember when I said, when I make a record,

786
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: when my brother lets me make a record, I'm putting

787
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: you into my group. And I'm like, yeah, grab your

788
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: rom books, we're gonna make studio. We're gonna make a record.

789
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this record called It's like that. I

790
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 1: just want you to write a bunch of rhunds about

791
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: how the world is it's like home. I'm still not

792
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: say Okay, that's easy, so I write it that next

793
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: the next week, it was Sunday, two pm. Joe and

794
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: Larry Smith falls up to my house and takes me

795
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: to Green Street Recording Studios. How many years after the

796
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: first conversation years, four years later, four years later, unbelievable,

797
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: four years later, And I guess I needed that four

798
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: years to prep. Yeah, I had no idea this was

799
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: coming over, just me loving. When Joe finally called, I

800
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: was remember I heard Eddie Chie but I was writing

801
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 1: one way. Then I heard Rappers, the lighting, super rit

802
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: was writing woman. Then I heard the Chris every at

803
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: every level up. Change that change that. When I heard

804
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: the call Chris, this is the one that stucks. That's

805
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: when the call came. So Joe, when we we had

806
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: the demo that and now we're going to go to

807
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: the studio to make it. Joe had to convince Russell

808
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: to let me rhyme with him. Russell was like goo

809
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 1: d smart this and that whatever whatever, but he's not you. Yes,

810
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: and g Joe had seen me in the basement. Russell

811
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: never so Joe saw what the world inn't see. Yes.

812
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: So Joe was like, yo, Joe, you got it. So

813
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: Russell was like, okay, Daryl can record and slight that

814
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: with you. So we make it like that, and then

815
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 1: Joe goes in and records Suck Him Seas, which was

816
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 1: his record. Yes, that's why three times on the record.

817
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: So we did it like that. Joe Russell was um

818
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: not impressed, but ino d I like your voice, like

819
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: you know. He was liked like you. But he wrote

820
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: some good rounds like you know. But he still wasn't

821
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: so he was like, he was, so okay, I'll give

822
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: it to you. I'll give it. The record was good,

823
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: this and that. So Joe going and drop Suck Him Sees.

824
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: Joe comes out the booth. Now I was supposed to

825
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 1: be it'slight that Suck Him Seas was all here, Joe goes,

826
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: Joe d going in and put a verse on it. No, no,

827
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: you ain't gonna get Russell mad at me. Hell, the

828
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: motherfucker don't even want me here. You think I'm ruining.

829
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: I ain't. I'm not trying to fuck up. And already

830
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 1: it's two in the morning. I didn't even tell my

831
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: parents I'm doing this. I'm thinking I'm going into the basement.

832
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: I just leave the house at two pm and it's

833
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: two in the morning. So in my whole mind, I

834
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: know I'm getting in trouble and my parents gonna be

835
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 1: waiting that the motherfucker will was you at So Joe said, Yo,

836
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: I want Russell to see that you do this shit.

837
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I don't know. I don't know nothing

838
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: about street kids. I'm fucking Catholic, Like you know, I

839
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: didn't know nothing about that ship that he was right.

840
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: He just said, going in, say your newest rhyme. So

841
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: it's summer eighty two. I was a class of eighty

842
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 1: two when I got the letter from Saint John's University

843
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 1: and I got accepted. Before I even told my mother,

844
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: I just went down in the basement. I wrote this

845
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: little rhyme, I'm DMC and the place to be going

846
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: to Saint John's Universe. I had that rhyme. I didn't

847
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: write it for the record, I just so just just

848
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 1: going and say your new rhyme. So going, Okay, I'm

849
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: saying this new rhyme at a row. So he said,

850
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna set it up for a DMC n if

851
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: you're ready the people rocket steady, I'm driving me cars.

852
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,399
Speaker 1: Get your gays from getting I'm DMC and the place

853
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: to be. I'll go to Saint John's University. And since

854
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: Kennedy Garden out quiet, I said. The whole little rhyme

855
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: and stuff like that came out to both Larry. Andy

856
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: was like, Yo, Like, I'm like, what the fuck is

857
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: going on? Yo? Ruck, Russell comes to Yo, Russell, you

858
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: gotta heard this. Russell stands there yod that for the

859
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: rest of the session. That's manager shit now for the

860
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: rest of the session in Green Street. At first, Russell

861
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: was avoiding me for the rest of the session. I'm

862
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: just sitting there say, um, Larry, what ud You're not

863
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: gonna make it home till five in the morning. Damn,

864
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 1: I'm fucking in trouble now. But for the rest of

865
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: the session. You know, we're in Green Street, New York

866
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: at this time, people coming in through all times of night. Yes,

867
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: everybody who came to the door Russell say, d stay

868
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: the round. I can't even care about Joe. He'sa staying

869
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: a round. You listen to this. He's talking about Saint

870
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: John's University and that how it all came together. Amazing.

871
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: When did when did Jay become part of the group?

872
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 1: Jay became part of the group after Russell got a

873
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: sign to profile. Yes. Um, Russell goes, Yo, you're gonna

874
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: need a DJ if your dude shows and Joe goes,

875
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: oh shit, we didn't think about that part. This is

876
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: great history. Joe picks Smith first because Smith Jay was

877
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 1: down with two fifth down, but Jay picked I mean

878
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: Joe picks Smith first. Smith. Joe said, yo, man did

879
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: me and Daryl McDaniels got this record? You want to

880
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: be our DJ? So Smith says, yeah, I'll do that.

881
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: When it was time for us to really start, Yo,

882
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 1: we got a show coming up, Smith said, nah, man,

883
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: I can't be your d's true story. Rickie goes, nah man,

884
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: I can't be your DJ. Man I got a job

885
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,399
Speaker 1: at the post office. Yeah, so now we ain't got

886
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: no DJ. So he picked j In and Javid came

887
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,439
Speaker 1: out DJ because we was doing a show, and um

888
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 1: we was Our first show was in um in North

889
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: Carolina at a high school. So Smith quit because he

890
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 1: didn't see, Yeah, it wasn't real I not got a job, man,

891
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: of course, got a job at the post office, of course.

892
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: So Jo d didn't want to make records because he

893
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: worked in a record store. He was like, I have

894
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: a job. I can't do that. What do you mean? Yeah,

895
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: but people don't understand how small of a world hip

896
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: hop was at that time, and it wouldn't be realistic

897
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: if you did have a job. You're not stopping it,

898
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: stopping it to do this because nobody's going anywhere and

899
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: doing that at all. No, you did it because you

900
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 1: loved it. Yeah, yeah, I mean the whole thing was. Look,

901
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 1: we were just happy to get out. I mean, Joe

902
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 1: had a little bit more vision because he was it

903
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: was in his living room six or he knew there

904
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: was money, Like Joe knew, man, I could get some

905
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: new Adidas and and and British Walkers and Puma's offerers.

906
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: For me, my thing was, Wow, if I get played

907
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: on Magic, I made it. It's incredible. Yeah, Like if

908
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:32,879
Speaker 1: Magic played my yeah, I made it, and that was it.

909
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: We didn't know you know that it was gonna go

910
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 1: that fun. I just bring up Smith because Smith was

911
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 1: like nah man and I spent Mister Magic was a

912
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 1: DJ who had a show on w HBI. First. It

913
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 1: was one hour a week, one hour, and that was

914
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: the only place you could hear any hip hop music

915
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: at all at all. That was if you got your

916
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: record on there, you arrived. That was it. And we

917
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: would record that every week and listen to it all week,

918
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: pause and records as soon as it came on. Yeah,

919
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,240
Speaker 1: and that's all it was. But in the early shows

920
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: we played a lot in our neighborhood. He played all

921
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: the roller skating ranks. Um, you already dressed as run DMC.

922
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,399
Speaker 1: How how are you? What was the original presentation? Oh

923
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: my god, man, I looked like a um. I looked

924
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 1: like a kid, and I looked like a freshman in

925
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: college was taking um um biology. I had on a

926
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:29,320
Speaker 1: gray silk shirts, some gabardine gray pants. Pumas, had on

927
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: blue and white pumas, and Joe always thought it was cool.

928
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: I had this long um um um um London fog

929
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: blue trench coat. Yes, so that was the coolest thing

930
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 1: in my wardrobe. Joe had the leather, the burgundy leather blazers,

931
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: which was popular back then. Um, he had on his

932
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: leash and he had on on white on white Adidas.

933
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: But your man Jay, your man Jay had the fucking

934
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: godfather had on. He had the fucking shams, the bearing,

935
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: he had the fucking it will go Jane, you had

936
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: the fucking leaves on. He at the Dida's on, He

937
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,879
Speaker 1: at the quarter field, he at the goose bubble, at

938
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 1: their name played, He at the gazelles, at the due

939
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: Rag hanging off. He was the coolest, always the coolest.

940
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 1: He was always favor I miss him. I miss him

941
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: all the time, think about him all the time. You

942
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 1: have to, yeah, you have to. Most beautiful smile, Yes,

943
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 1: most beautiful smile. Just good person, good beautiful outside of

944
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 1: being Jay, of course, beautiful being. He brought life, flavor

945
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: and everything to us. Absolutely so. Me and Run was

946
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:40,399
Speaker 1: uncoordinated as hell. Mean, I was wearing pumas. And then

947
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: we started playing New York Um. We started playing um

948
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:48,240
Speaker 1: um um Um. Dancer Terrier was the hangout spot the world,

949
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: and then we started moving into the rocks and stuff

950
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 1: like that. But I first show at the Fever, Jay

951
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 1: missed it. So DJ Star Child from the Fever DJ

952
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: for us. Our second started to Jay wasn't gonna miss it.

953
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 1: So when we pulled up on two thirds to get Jay,

954
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: Jay comes checked this out right. Jake comes on the

955
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: steps for that show I had on pumas Um. It's

956
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 1: that famous picture with me and Joe got to check

957
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 1: a jacket on. Yeah after fever, Yes, Joe Ja Ja

958
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 1: missed that show. Yes, the second show, we got that

959
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: same shit on and we pull up to Jay House

960
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: and two thirds Jake comes out on a stoop. He

961
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: got the big fourth speak of box, he got the

962
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: Godfather had on, he got the black Adida jacket with

963
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: the white stripes coming down, he got the black leaves on,

964
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: and he got on brand new black and white shell

965
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: to Adidas with the tongue sticking up like tombstones, and

966
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: he got the laces around his neck. As soon as

967
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 1: he stepped on the steps, before it even could come

968
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: out of Larry's mouth, that mem say, Yo, that's how

969
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: outfit how Jay dressed in real life. No. In ninth

970
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: Brad tim that Jay was going to school like that.

971
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 1: That's our outfit. So that the second shows the fevers

972
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 1: the day that Rundy m C look came together as

973
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: a jam Master Jay. Wow, incredible, it's crazy beautiful. So

974
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: Jay dressed us, Jay dressed us and Jay Um Jay

975
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: was the Jay was the vibe flavor, Yes, of every

976
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 1: definite that we had, the fashion sense always. Oh, he

977
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,439
Speaker 1: was always the coolest guy that record. Also, jam Master

978
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,280
Speaker 1: J is one of my favorite of the Earth records.

979
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: I love that rac kick off Shoes, Jump on the

980
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 1: Job jams as they started because it's hip hop. Yeah,

981
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: it's real, and it's one of the it's one of

982
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: the first real ones. It's like that and Sucker mcs

983
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:42,720
Speaker 1: are probably the first real hip hop Yeah, yeah, because

984
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 1: Larry was trying to do Charon's Rocket in the pocket.

985
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: If we would have did it over that, it would

986
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 1: have been it would have been really hip hop. If

987
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:51,839
Speaker 1: we would have did it live the way we did

988
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 1: Here we Go. We use actual big beat, yes, And

989
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 1: that's why we did here We're Here we Go because

990
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: people started saying, oh, Rundy m C selling out the

991
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 1: commercial because they making records. People don't understand that there's, uh,

992
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 1: there's this group of records that's the music that all

993
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,399
Speaker 1: of hip hop is based on, most of which are

994
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: not R and B records. They could be rock records,

995
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: they could be world music records, but those original those

996
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: those breakbeat records, a lot of rock records of James

997
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:35,879
Speaker 1: Brown Brown ac DC. Yeah, the sound of it wasn't

998
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: about so. It wasn't about the style. It was just

999
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 1: about the groove. So it transcended any genre for sure,

1000
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,839
Speaker 1: because in that genre of hip hop, you know we

1001
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 1: we were doing, you know we're doing it was like radio.

1002
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: Hip hop was different. It was different, It was different,

1003
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: it was very different. So that was what the whole

1004
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: idea of my I don't know that I knew it

1005
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 1: at the time, but my concept for deaf Jam was

1006
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 1: we gotta make music. That's like what it really what

1007
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,879
Speaker 1: if you went to the club and you experienced him. Yeah,

1008
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 1: nobody was doing the records. Didn't sound like yes, I

1009
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: tell everybody we did that. We did what it was

1010
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: done in the parks. It was more like documentary. What

1011
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: we were doing, what both of us were doing, was

1012
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: like it was like documenting this already. We didn't invent it. No,

1013
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: he was there, it was just nobody was actually making it,

1014
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 1: attempting to want to do it, to desire to do it.

1015
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 1: So when when when people started saying that with me,

1016
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 1: I had to go back. That was my basis of

1017
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: doing the one two three and the place to be

1018
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: as it is playing what you said, so as it

1019
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,760
Speaker 1: is playing to see he is d J jam massive

1020
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 1: roof yes and sought the place for fall the bac

1021
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:56,879
Speaker 1: leads a fire and we all I got to tell

1022
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 1: him the crutch s groove in the record and it

1023
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 1: goes a little something like this, we don't drop no funk.

1024
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:07,359
Speaker 1: It goes to one two three roa task their funk.

1025
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: Nobody was doing it over and now you can't put

1026
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: it past flash in them even for the beauty. The

1027
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: beauty about that is flashing them the way they dressed,

1028
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 1: they understand. I don't think the reason why they did

1029
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 1: it because they had no rappers to look up to,

1030
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: because they were the first My first favorite rap group

1031
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 1: was a Treacherous three based on based on those Enjoy records,

1032
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: which I loved, and then they signed to sugar Hill

1033
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,879
Speaker 1: and then they made their first album and it wasn't

1034
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: hip hop, and I was heartbroken. And then I that

1035
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: was my first trying to get involved because again I

1036
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: know anything, I didn't know anybody. I didn't know how

1037
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 1: the record business worked, but I wanted to do that.

1038
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: I wanted to fix a problem as a fan. It's like,

1039
00:54:56,120 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 1: wait a minute, my favorite group just went well what

1040
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:03,359
Speaker 1: did they do? It's like, and I know they know

1041
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 1: it because they made the good that ever heard them make.

1042
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: They had to know it. I always said that every

1043
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 1: time I see Mode, they got this ri this routine

1044
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,280
Speaker 1: over big beat Wall, it goes boof bam boom booth

1045
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Speaker 1: bat and MODI goes, can you finding MC better than me? Mo? D?

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Speaker 1: Can you finding MC better than me? No? Can you

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Speaker 1: finding him? See who can say he's better than special K? No?

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Speaker 1: Can you finding m C? Who can rhyme up against

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Speaker 1: Elason Sean? No, you can't. You can't. Anthesia saw it.

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Speaker 1: You got to come with the best. And I was like, no,

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Speaker 1: why didn't y'all never do that on records? So that's

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Speaker 1: that's the reason. So I reached out to him and

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Speaker 1: I said, let's make records together because and again I

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Speaker 1: didn't know anything about the business part of it, or

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Speaker 1: what a producer does or anything. I just knew it

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Speaker 1: was wrong. I knew it was wrong, and I was

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Speaker 1: a fan and I loved him, and I said, let's

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Speaker 1: make records that sound like what you really signd like it. Well,

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Speaker 1: because they said, well, we're signing a sugar Hill. I

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Speaker 1: can't do that. I didn't know anything about this, right,

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Speaker 1: but that's the way it did change was he said,

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Speaker 1: but Special kid as a brother to Lara, He's like,

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Speaker 1: you can make a record with him, and and that's

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Speaker 1: how it happened. And then I met Special commentating, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but that would have been a treacherous three record. Oh

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Speaker 1: my goodness. Yeah, that was the original thought. You know.

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Speaker 1: It was just like because it was the real hip

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Speaker 1: hop what they was doing in when you walk in

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Speaker 1: the club, you want to hit it. It was an experience,

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Speaker 1: was so exciting, great for real. Yeah, cool man. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for Thank you for Thanks again to

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Speaker 1: Darryl dmc McDaniels for sharing his remarkable story with this

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Speaker 1: Since the release of his autobiography in two thousand and one,

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Speaker 1: DMC received the Congressional Angels and Adoption Award for his

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Speaker 1: work helping foster children. Here's song with Sarah McLaughlin and

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Speaker 1: more from Run DMC visit Broken Record podcast dot com.

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Speaker 1: Broken Record is produced with help from Jason Gambrell, Mia

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Speaker 1: Lobell and Leah Rose for Pushkin Industries. Our theme music

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Speaker 1: is by Kenny Beats. I'm justin Richmond. Thanks for listening.