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Speaker 1: Culturesa's recaps RuPaul's a drag Raise. Um, we're so starry.
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Speaker 1: for donating. And to be fair, it was like the
Speaker 1: beginning of the season. We didn't miss much totally totally.
Speaker 1: We we all had time to digest what's happening. And
Speaker 1: speaking of what's happening, I'm really really into this season
Speaker 1: alrighty oh, I love this season. I think this is
Speaker 1: a eight season. I think we have amazing queens, not
Speaker 1: a lot of filler queens happening here. Sure, I mean,
Speaker 1: this is this is competitive fish. If the first queen
Speaker 1: out is already making giving providing the most entertaining meme
Speaker 1: of the year so far, that's huge. Many ms Manji,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I like it as much as
Speaker 1: everyone else seems to. I'm just admiring how long it's been.
Speaker 1: It's been a full week and a half, almost two
Speaker 1: weeks since she's been eliminated, and this thing is still going.
Speaker 1: It's pretty crazy. It makes me feel like she'll have
Speaker 1: a life after the show. Well that's the thing. It's like,
Speaker 1: I don't think she's coming back the well yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: like a friend of the show, Josh Sharp is like
Speaker 1: really trying to put out like the secret into the
Speaker 1: world of actualizing that she's going to come back by
Speaker 1: saying she's gonna be a bring She's and me bring back.
Speaker 1: But like if you saw her watch your Packing with Michelle,
Speaker 1: like Michelle, Like you can see the look in Michelle's
Speaker 1: eyes when she realizes like, oh wow, you're so funny
Speaker 1: and charming. Oh I wish you could have She literally says, oh,
Speaker 1: I wish you could have stayed longer. And so like
Speaker 1: that's telling you right there that like Michelle isad like
Speaker 1: they've shot the whole season, Like Vanji looks completely different,
Speaker 1: She's gotten like facial hair in a different hair color,
Speaker 1: Like this is postseason they're shooting this and um, it's
Speaker 1: clear that she does not make a return unless Michelle
Speaker 1: Vissage is the actress of the Stuy Honey, and she
Speaker 1: would have to be. I think Michelle is a very
Speaker 1: talented person. I think Michelle is incredibly talented and I
Speaker 1: love her as a judge. And anyone that does like
Speaker 1: Michelle Visage, I think you really need to look within
Speaker 1: look And I'm not I don't mean to name drop,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna name drop a little bit I wrote.
Speaker 1: I wrote for Logo, some like fun ad copy that
Speaker 1: like she bobbed the drag Queen and Kissan from Fire
Speaker 1: Island um performed and like I was on set for
Speaker 1: just a few moments, but like Michelle is just reading
Speaker 1: them key cards that prompt her like a fucking pro.
Speaker 1: She's She's an amazing She seemed to enjoy the words
Speaker 1: she did. She was she was giggling at a few
Speaker 1: jokes and then she like punched up some jokes on set.
Speaker 1: She didn't know that. I was like, she didn't know
Speaker 1: who I was. I was just kind of standing to
Speaker 1: the side, but she was like mm, she was like
Speaker 1: how about this, and and the director was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's great, and I was like, yeah, that is better,
Speaker 1: Like she is a total pro. There you go, there,
Speaker 1: you you think she would win Drag Race. I think so,
Speaker 1: I think honestly, like I know, vad I know, like
Speaker 1: people say that like you can't have the show without
Speaker 1: Rue hosting, but like in some alternate reality, like she
Speaker 1: would be an amazing host of the show. But you
Speaker 1: know what, though Rue is the host, and Ru really
Speaker 1: doesn't judge matter what Michelle says, Rue doesn't say ship.
Speaker 1: Rue makes decisions based on what everyone around him says,
Speaker 1: and mostly Michelle the only time. And yeah, even like
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of the last critical moment, like
Speaker 1: critical room moment that she's like really critiqued someone, and
Speaker 1: all I can think of is like Aja during the
Speaker 1: Studio fifty four Challenge and All Stars three, where it
Speaker 1: was like, you know, the seventies weren't that long ago,
Speaker 1: which we've established to be false. But that was even
Speaker 1: going off of that was piggybacking off of something Michelle said. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean even this even this year, she said about Aquaria,
Speaker 1: it's very exciting, she's very exciting. Her drag is very
Speaker 1: future forward, and that was like something that you never
Speaker 1: hear like you never hear Rugo out of her way
Speaker 1: to be like except with you a Hamasaki deally departed.
Speaker 1: She did say a couple of times she could really
Speaker 1: take a cue from the Pageant girls about learning how
Speaker 1: to take her critique. Absolutely, I mean that was probably
Speaker 1: like you was fine and like, you know, she didn't.
Speaker 1: You know, obviously she made some huge missteps in this challenge,
Speaker 1: but like her biggest problem was that she talked back
Speaker 1: all the time. Yeah, it was weird. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's an edit necessarily could be, but like
Speaker 1: some of the stuff is it's like okay, but the
Speaker 1: judges were marking on it. Yeah, right, and everyone I
Speaker 1: think Ross this week was like she always has a
Speaker 1: clop back Carson. Carson said that Ross wasn't there, um,
Speaker 1: and then Michelle confirmed She's like it's always a clop back. Um.
Speaker 1: I love Niko Tortorella's suit. That was fun. That was
Speaker 1: a really good suit of Grid. The white the white grids. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, where do you think
Speaker 1: you got that? Oh? Shops, top shops, probably something really fancy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and people, um, so you do we have any good
Speaker 1: feelings about her do we feel kind of whatever, I
Speaker 1: feel like she could have done more well we I
Speaker 1: mean you and I like had a blast making fun
Speaker 1: of how truly like insane, balls to the wall insane.
Speaker 1: Her interviews have been um before the show, I don't know.
Speaker 1: She like she was giving you some cool, like Asian
Speaker 1: inspired looks that were that like are distinct from other
Speaker 1: Asian queens on the show. She was giving you very
Speaker 1: elevated like dourger empress fish and like that was cool.
Speaker 1: Like as a Chinese person, I was like, that is
Speaker 1: really cool to see. Actually, like we haven't had a
Speaker 1: fully Chinese queen, which is different like of course from
Speaker 1: like Kim she a Korean queen. References are different, the
Speaker 1: aesthetics are different. Um, obviously you was a very different
Speaker 1: queen from Kim she. I thought it was cool to
Speaker 1: see some like cheap how motifs, but like I didn't
Speaker 1: think she had what it took to stay any longer.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think probably I'm looking at this
Speaker 1: list now, especially this year. It's such a competitive year.
Speaker 1: Like I was saying, like Calorie, even like in a
Speaker 1: weeker season, she would have done better totally, but like
Speaker 1: you can say that like comparatively, she is, like she
Speaker 1: was positioned just like you know, the Sasha Bell or
Speaker 1: Magnolia Crawford of her season. She didn't come with the
Speaker 1: materials to win, you know what I mean, Like that
Speaker 1: was her best drag outfit, right, Like was that body
Speaker 1: suit which maybe somewhere else is is like best drag.
Speaker 1: But mean, while she's very talented, you know she's good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's she's certainly good queen. I mean, it's just it's
Speaker 1: just like we were saying, it's tough to look at
Speaker 1: the list and say that's a competitive one, right, And actually,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe her being an Albuquerque based queen is different,
Speaker 1: Like she has different resources than all these l A
Speaker 1: and New York and Chicago based queens. Even the Southern queens,
Speaker 1: I feel like, might be more like they can pick
Speaker 1: up a rhinestone thing like from the store because all
Speaker 1: all the women are jimming it or something. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I'm talking out of my ass, but but yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it's a strong roster. It's you know, it's so strong.
Speaker 1: And actually like this the strong queens are kind of
Speaker 1: surprising me. Like I would never have thought that Cameron
Speaker 1: was capable of that I just obviously I don't know
Speaker 1: a lot about her because I really wrote her off.
Speaker 1: But then that runway was good. That runway was like
Speaker 1: from it reminded me of um whenever Trinity Cabonet would
Speaker 1: struggle in the challenges, but then hit the runaway and
Speaker 1: something years like that's what Like that bird runaway. The
Speaker 1: feathers runaway for Cameron was like pretty awesome and even
Speaker 1: like for a second I was like, oh, that's too
Speaker 1: similar to Eureka's. But Eureka was getting you goth, but
Speaker 1: Cameron was giving you villain. She was giving you like
Speaker 1: literal vulture, yes, like fucking Charlie's in Snow and the Huntsmen. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: she was giving you vulture, and Eureka was giving you
Speaker 1: kind of like yeah, I can't be raven like hunted House.
Speaker 1: Yeah moment right. I loved, I loved. I thought, I
Speaker 1: kind of think you had the best look of the night.
Speaker 1: I think that Eureka had the best look of the night. Yes,
Speaker 1: I just think the camera was not far behind, right, No,
Speaker 1: I agree, most of the looks were great. Was lucky
Speaker 1: because she was literally saved by it. Although I didn't
Speaker 1: know that Mayhem was going to be in the bottom
Speaker 1: because I didn't care for her dress, but her eyes
Speaker 1: were great and her makeup looks great. Whatever, Like she
Speaker 1: she's she's an amazing queen. It's just like the choices
Speaker 1: in this episode were so weird, like the choice to
Speaker 1: just totally faded to the back of the commercial and
Speaker 1: don't say anything or do anything right right, right, Um,
Speaker 1: here's the thought, Like, because you and I are both
Speaker 1: kind of disappointed with the Best Drag runway from last week,
Speaker 1: I just think it's yes, some of them just like
Speaker 1: obviously didn't show do the assignment. But I'm saying, like,
Speaker 1: like it's weird that like all their best drag looks
Speaker 1: like when there's no hard theme applied, that like they
Speaker 1: kind of stumble and it's actually not probably not their best, yeah,
Speaker 1: but when there's this theme of like feathers, I thought
Speaker 1: so many of the looks this week were amazing, and
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, that would have been your best drag
Speaker 1: had not been for this theme, right. I mean Asia
Speaker 1: O'Hara's outfit like this week, I love, I loved, I loved,
Speaker 1: I really loved it, and I loved it so much
Speaker 1: more than what she did for Best Drag because to me,
Speaker 1: Asia O'Hara, I've been not super on born with her
Speaker 1: the first few weeks because it feels so gaudy to me,
Speaker 1: it's so pageant, Like her best drag was so much
Speaker 1: the color, the like makeup, the like I don't know,
Speaker 1: the hair, like it was just right is so passionate
Speaker 1: to me. The fact that it was a ballroom dress
Speaker 1: like someone who was doing the like talent and a pageant,
Speaker 1: and I was just like not into it. But now
Speaker 1: in this episode, like she got creative. And then when
Speaker 1: you see her looks outside of the show, like on
Speaker 1: Instagram and like what she wore in like the conversation
Speaker 1: with Sasha Valore, like she's got cool stuff. It's just
Speaker 1: like her wigs are great. Yeah, Like I don't know,
Speaker 1: I just from what she's presented in the Company Titian
Speaker 1: besides this episode, when you put that up against what
Speaker 1: she's presented outside of the show, I'm like, it feels
Speaker 1: like we're not seeing your best best best Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because I do. I do like her as of this episode,
Speaker 1: got it, I'm still not totally sold. Like the dress
Speaker 1: I was dress was great. I was I was telling
Speaker 1: you I was frustrated that, like the judges were like
Speaker 1: going gaga over this tweetie bird reference. They're like the reference,
Speaker 1: the reference. But it's like, Okay, well Monique gave you
Speaker 1: a cookie monster thing and you guys like didn't batter
Speaker 1: fucking eye. Yeah, I mean my thing. Um, I'm just
Speaker 1: like griping about I totally agree with you. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was weird. It's weird how much Monique is just
Speaker 1: getting kind of brushed aside this episode. She got a
Speaker 1: lot of focus, but I don't know, like I think
Speaker 1: that Monique is definitely one of the better ones. Yeah,
Speaker 1: She's so great to watch, and it's weird to see
Speaker 1: her getting kind of an iffy edit yeah, where you're
Speaker 1: not really sure where this is gonna go, Like did
Speaker 1: the show really think we were going to go for Like, oh,
Speaker 1: Monique is really pushy in the director thing. I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if she's pushy. I just think she's helping.
Speaker 1: She's directing alongside Michelle and Carson because she's the team
Speaker 1: leader and like she came up with the stuff. Sure.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think some of the moments can read
Speaker 1: its Micromanergy, like when I'm like when Mayhem was up.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Mayhem was lost, ma what Mahem was lost?
Speaker 1: And like Monique was trying to give her like something
Speaker 1: to use, but like it just looks like it's such
Speaker 1: an easy thing to be, like, um, look pointing at Monique,
Speaker 1: she's being real micromanergy. Yeah, it's really it's weird. It's weird. Also,
Speaker 1: like I feel like they're justice easily was a narrative
Speaker 1: of like Monique saying to camera, Mayhem is doing nothing
Speaker 1: because like the whole episode, Mayhem was, And also that
Speaker 1: would have served the narrative better too because she ends
Speaker 1: up in the bottom too. I just think they didn't
Speaker 1: get that, like sort of like talking a head from Mayhem.
Speaker 1: Maybe that came came forward about why she's being so quiet.
Speaker 1: I feel like we have to kind of guess that
Speaker 1: it was because she got chosen late, but she was
Speaker 1: shutting down from the beginning and you didn't really understand
Speaker 1: why she was like catatonic. Yeah, I think it would
Speaker 1: have been nice to hear about that and for them
Speaker 1: to push that narrative instead of this Monique is bossy
Speaker 1: narrative totally because really all they were trying to do
Speaker 1: and even Asia said Monique is of really effectively running
Speaker 1: her team when they were putting their makeup on, and
Speaker 1: so for them to then it turn it into like
Speaker 1: Monique's being too much. I thought was weird. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but if you're not going to do anything, you're gonna
Speaker 1: end up in the bottom two. And then so Mayhem
Speaker 1: did good things. She fucking killed the lip sync. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: although like there was a second where like until the
Speaker 1: guitar became too much on Hua, Like I was like, oh, like,
Speaker 1: this isn't a total Like I thought it was pretty
Speaker 1: done deal from the beginning when she lifted her head
Speaker 1: up and started the whole song, I mean she was
Speaker 1: and then when she started plucking feathers up, I was like,
Speaker 1: her eyes were perfect, so good for it. And what
Speaker 1: a great song, celebrity skin. It was a great song.
Speaker 1: It was a great week for guest judges. I thought
Speaker 1: Nico was very engaged, and I thought Courtney Love gave
Speaker 1: us great sound bites. Literally she goes she wasn't man,
Speaker 1: I know. I love Courtney Love's voice. Now she's just
Speaker 1: like so sleepy, so funny. We did see the resurrection
Speaker 1: of Eureka this week, yes, which is great. She was
Speaker 1: so funny in the challenge. One of the best runways
Speaker 1: we've seen. I love that runway. Yeah, and she was
Speaker 1: funny in the challenge. Yeah, girl, we know that is
Speaker 1: like Michelle was right like that. The fact that she
Speaker 1: could deliver that line and make it funny and memorable
Speaker 1: is great. And Cracker was great. Crackers like really really
Speaker 1: really coasting in a lot of like goodwill, good work. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Cracker was not killing it on the runway though. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just thought it could have been exciting and it
Speaker 1: wasn't exciting. I like literally don't remember what she even wore. Um,
Speaker 1: she had she did the whole green blue thing. It
Speaker 1: was a dedication her best friend who passed away. Remember
Speaker 1: that she's like a dark wig on she was doing
Speaker 1: And her voiceover during the runway was like, I'm not
Speaker 1: doing a character this week. But the story behind this
Speaker 1: look is that, um, the day after my best friend
Speaker 1: passed away, a green and blue bird like landed on
Speaker 1: my window, like made a nest on my window, and
Speaker 1: I took that and this is to them. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: guess the look itself just isn't standing out to me. Sure,
Speaker 1: And and this is the thing I was thinking about
Speaker 1: this today, like I don't buy crackers. Whole self branding
Speaker 1: think of like I'm crazy. It's like, no, you're actually
Speaker 1: really polished and you always have. You're always very put together. Like,
Speaker 1: don't say you're crazy if you're not. I think the
Speaker 1: bar beyond Bath Salts thing is like is like a
Speaker 1: miss brand because that's like, that's what I'm saying, not
Speaker 1: you're not out of control, You're actually really smart and measured.
Speaker 1: And she's like, yeah, Bob with my dragon mother and
Speaker 1: she goes funny runs in the family. But like there's
Speaker 1: some other comment she made where she was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm crazy, but it's like, no, you're It's fine that
Speaker 1: you're not crazy because you're good. And unless there's something
Speaker 1: we don't know, I mean we've seen I mean we've
Speaker 1: seen her alive, like she's she's not crazy, Like that's
Speaker 1: not the narrative, and I don't know bottom two for
Speaker 1: that maybe miss Cracker. Like my instagram of my Instagram
Speaker 1: with me with my str ham that I made this weekend,
Speaker 1: she liked it. It was like, I think she follows
Speaker 1: you too. I think she follows us. Becamember. We saw
Speaker 1: her one night and like like we both went up
Speaker 1: on stage or something, and like her her publicity. I
Speaker 1: know that it was like her manager. Her manager was
Speaker 1: like yeah, and it was like oh yeah, and we
Speaker 1: were like yeah, we run this sketch group or something
Speaker 1: or like we were like yeah, yeah. And this was
Speaker 1: like years. I remember the first time we saw Cracker.
Speaker 1: I never forgot her. Yeah, and then she and then yeah.
Speaker 1: Her manager was like put us in touch and probably
Speaker 1: ran her social media at the time and like followed
Speaker 1: us on Twitter on Instagram. So, um, we love Cracker. Yeah, Cracker.
Speaker 1: She kind of like was in the back of the
Speaker 1: narrative this episode. Um, but speaking of stepping to the
Speaker 1: front of the narrative, I think we should probably talk
Speaker 1: about Dusty. Dusty. I know that was like it was
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, like I've been through this. I've been
Speaker 1: through this kind of crazy week with my parents where
Speaker 1: it was just like just old wounds sort of reopened
Speaker 1: um around to uh me being gay, and like we
Speaker 1: haven't really made progress. But it's it's okay. This isn't
Speaker 1: to vilify them. It's just like we there's still a
Speaker 1: lot of middle ground that we have to cover in
Speaker 1: terms of like understanding where the other person's the other
Speaker 1: side is coming from. But and I like, I am
Speaker 1: very much in the zone of like wow, it's very
Speaker 1: specifically because they're immigrants and it's part of the reason why.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, god, most white families, um, you know,
Speaker 1: already have this leg up where it's like culturally, it's
Speaker 1: like there's there's more common ground to go off of,
Speaker 1: and like this is so unique to me, and like
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah is being very solve cistic
Speaker 1: about it. But then to see Dusty like talk about
Speaker 1: this whole thing was so emotional and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is obviously not exactly what I went through, but
Speaker 1: like quite similar, quite similar, Like I went to a
Speaker 1: fucking conversion therapist and like my parents are like like
Speaker 1: my dad, Yeah. The way I came out for the
Speaker 1: first time was like my parents found something on the computer.
Speaker 1: And as soon as Duchy said that, I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I was like already on board. I
Speaker 1: was already like wow, I already related to this so hard.
Speaker 1: And then to hear like the parents reaction and then
Speaker 1: the conversion therapy and that fucking pastor, I was like Jesus,
Speaker 1: it really really really really painted the image. It was
Speaker 1: so so well rendered and so well described and communicated,
Speaker 1: and I and it like what I got so emotional.
Speaker 1: I texted you as like I was like, holy sh it,
Speaker 1: Dusty this week and you don't say anything else. I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, but just so like you know, tist.
Speaker 1: I was surprised by what I saw. Yeah. I thought
Speaker 1: it was going to be like a basic emotional breakthrough,
Speaker 1: like in terms of her drag or something. But it
Speaker 1: was that, and it was that, and it was because
Speaker 1: I I saw, like when Blair was talking about how
Speaker 1: close she is with her mom, which is great, which
Speaker 1: is beautiful, and I cut to Dusty. Yeah, and they
Speaker 1: cut to Dusty who was like looking over and like
Speaker 1: that piqued his interest. But I love the Dusty that.
Speaker 1: The Dusty's takeaway wasn't bitterness. It was I'm really happy
Speaker 1: to see people like Blair have supportive families. It wasn't like, well,
Speaker 1: Blair's advantage because she has a supportive family. It's like, no,
Speaker 1: this actually is good and it makes me happy and
Speaker 1: like that because I oftentimes will come away with like
Speaker 1: a bitterness where I see very like beautifully open, supportive
Speaker 1: families and I'm like, god, damn I don't have that.
Speaker 1: I never will um, but to have to see Dusty
Speaker 1: like walk away from that and be like that's really beautiful,
Speaker 1: it was like really powerful for me. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: and you know, I've read Dusty for filth. But like
Speaker 1: but like now, like I kind of I mean, like
Speaker 1: I don't have to be the biggest fan of her drag,
Speaker 1: but like as a person, I'm like, oh, thank you
Speaker 1: for like showing me this, thank you for this. I'm
Speaker 1: grateful that the show is able to show me the
Speaker 1: side of her. I mean seconds later, the runway was
Speaker 1: like a five. Sure I thought I thought everyone I
Speaker 1: I thought everyone was great this run right, that that's
Speaker 1: just me I was. I don't know. There was just
Speaker 1: like too much like whatever was hanging friend down from
Speaker 1: Dusty's arms. I was like, it just seems too much
Speaker 1: to me. She was good at the challenge. She was
Speaker 1: doing like a poison ivy fish. She had red hair.
Speaker 1: I liked it. I was into it. It was different.
Speaker 1: Wasn't like it was at again. It was a lot
Speaker 1: of like whites and blacks and like your standard colors.
Speaker 1: But like I I appreciate when people like went all
Speaker 1: out with like the colors of the feathers or when
Speaker 1: all in with the concept. I actually really kind of
Speaker 1: liked the Vixens runway look this time. It was good.
Speaker 1: I liked the way like she was working on the
Speaker 1: runway totally. Um, I liked uh. I pretty much liked
Speaker 1: to tell I thought it was a fully executed concept
Speaker 1: and like sort of an ad to c on the theme,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yeah, the theme was feathers,
Speaker 1: but you know, she didn't come out there and do
Speaker 1: a predictable feathered look like someone saying Blair, did you
Speaker 1: know she was? She's praised her on the runway, but
Speaker 1: I think that has a lot to do with her
Speaker 1: face because she looked beautiful on her way because her
Speaker 1: dress was not all that Like, if I'm looking at
Speaker 1: the Vixen's dress and Blair's dress, I think the Vixens
Speaker 1: dress was more impressive. Actually sure, it was very well
Speaker 1: archnstructured in architecture. Um, let's talk about the Vixen since
Speaker 1: we're talking about her. Listen, the Vixen has been she
Speaker 1: she's bossing it up and it's by her own volition,
Speaker 1: and like she she's very deliberately doing and behaving in
Speaker 1: this way and it's not good or bad. It's just
Speaker 1: very late. She's confrontational. She's confrontational, but like it gets
Speaker 1: to the point where it's caustic, like she's she's she's
Speaker 1: like getting the fear and Aquaria's eyes out. She's like
Speaker 1: really trying to freak Aquary out. No, she's trying to
Speaker 1: intimidate her, and she knows it, and she cops to
Speaker 1: it in this episode, and she even says repeatedly like well,
Speaker 1: I can get to you, so I'm going to to
Speaker 1: the point where Aquaria leaves the room, and then the
Speaker 1: other queens tell her like maybe this is not necessary, right,
Speaker 1: and she's like, no, actually it is, and it's just
Speaker 1: it's just a worldview that is like okay, buch, if
Speaker 1: that's what you want. I mean, you can choose to
Speaker 1: take the ribbing that all the queens give each other.
Speaker 1: And somebody said something about your wig that you borrowed
Speaker 1: for your best drag. If you want to take that
Speaker 1: and really attack based on that critique, you can do
Speaker 1: it that way. But you can also take it as
Speaker 1: just like yeah, girl, like you didn't have your own
Speaker 1: wig for your best drag, Look like it's what you're
Speaker 1: worthy of. Being read for it exactly, and it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: well if you if you're if you want to dish
Speaker 1: out all this like a grow like learn to take it, dude.
Speaker 1: Like you know what's funny too, is it's just like
Speaker 1: Aquary was like, you didn't use your own wig for
Speaker 1: best drag and then Vixen goes, well, actually I did
Speaker 1: have my own wig for it, and then she was
Speaker 1: like so what, and then I wanted to be like,
Speaker 1: what do you mean so what? Then the answer is
Speaker 1: then why didn't you? And then Monique was like, oh,
Speaker 1: the Vixen just shut a querry up. I was like,
Speaker 1: that's what I saw. It's like the Vixen's being like
Speaker 1: painted into this corner where she doesn't really know what
Speaker 1: to say. I mean it looked like someone like reading
Speaker 1: appropriately and then someone respond responding back like really you
Speaker 1: like it was just like it was like I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, and like it wasn't it was not anger.
Speaker 1: It's just like it's just like it's reactionary to the
Speaker 1: point where it's like unnecessary. It's like, um, it's like
Speaker 1: what it's like, what about is um? You know? It's
Speaker 1: like when people are like it's it's what about its M,
Speaker 1: which is like reminiscent of like Soviet Russia and Trump,
Speaker 1: where it's like you criticize someone and they're like, well
Speaker 1: what about this thing? And like that is literally the
Speaker 1: definition of what about is M. I'm not saying Vixen
Speaker 1: is really doing that, but she's just like that's not true,
Speaker 1: Like she's completely discounting what you're saying with no with
Speaker 1: nothing to back in up there there wasn't. I think
Speaker 1: the reason why it seemed like Aquaria was shut up
Speaker 1: is because like there was nothing to say back. It
Speaker 1: just wasn't like you know, and then at a certain
Speaker 1: point it was just the Vixen being like a bully
Speaker 1: being and just getting in someone's face and being like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I'm gonna fucking I'm gonna intimidate you until
Speaker 1: you leave. And then she did, so she got what
Speaker 1: she wanted. But luckily, um, you know, I mean, look,
Speaker 1: the Vixen backed it up for me this week, like
Speaker 1: like THEO was good and she was great in the challenge.
Speaker 1: She was great in the ones, but she she didn't
Speaker 1: lose the challenge, you know what I mean, Like she
Speaker 1: didn't have that much of a part. Whatever. I just
Speaker 1: thought her wearing the sandwich burn being like this doomsday
Speaker 1: person was like really funny. I think we can get
Speaker 1: used to seeing the Vixen. That's definitely they're going to
Speaker 1: keep her around. I think six more weeks at least,
Speaker 1: to be honest, Like, I think probably like going to
Speaker 1: stay around. And I think it will end with an
Speaker 1: Aquaria Vixen lip sync, not necessarily Tracker. I think that's over.
Speaker 1: That's not going to stick for very long. I just
Speaker 1: think it's over. I mean, like I don't I don't
Speaker 1: think people care anymore because now I think Cracker is
Speaker 1: going to be like, oh, people think I'm copying her.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do the opposite things she does every single week. Sure, well,
Speaker 1: we can say that Cracker versus Aquaria was the precursor
Speaker 1: to Aquary Versus Vixen. Yeah, the scene for that. Without that,
Speaker 1: you didn't have the other. Um, I just I don't know.
Speaker 1: Of course, Aquaria Versus Vixen, Like that's a tough one
Speaker 1: because it's like you it's it's a tough one because
Speaker 1: it could potentially become tough like socially, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like you have this like really young, like
Speaker 1: white cis sort of like attractive, like sort of probably wealthy,
Speaker 1: has like a lot of means because of the Instagram
Speaker 1: following everything. The kid white gay kid from New York
Speaker 1: going up against this like woke protests south side of Chicago.
Speaker 1: Someone who's more of a performance queen like comes from
Speaker 1: Dragon that area. Like, So to see those two things
Speaker 1: in conflict, that's hard. It's disappointed, you know, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily I'm not looking forward to that. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean it's it might be worthwhile to
Speaker 1: just observe ye as all of those things are. I mean,
Speaker 1: you wish they didn't happen, but right, I also Aquarius,
Speaker 1: look this this um this this runway was I thought
Speaker 1: it was a really nice, strong choice. You just never
Speaker 1: can see it winning. I know Aquari is always like
Speaker 1: it's always great, but it's never like it's never like,
Speaker 1: you know what Eureka came out in this week. I
Speaker 1: did love her best drug. That was great, Like the
Speaker 1: concentric nose rings was gorgeous. But then I was watching um.
Speaker 1: I was watching uh tutor boot um or Fashion photo review,
Speaker 1: which they really should just call it tutoro um. But
Speaker 1: they Raven was like I'm so tired of the two
Speaker 1: big nose rings. Like apparently it's been a fan. Sometimes
Speaker 1: Raven just says bullsht and I'm like, shut up, Raven.
Speaker 1: Raven like has such a chip on her shoulder, like
Speaker 1: she she hates aciually she used to hate Bob like
Speaker 1: she like, It's just I don't think ravens like a
Speaker 1: great person. Well I don't here. First, I guess I
Speaker 1: like her on the show, but um, you know, alright,
Speaker 1: so who I have left here is Monique Money and Blair.
Speaker 1: You know Monique. I thought she looked amazing on the
Speaker 1: Runway and was good in her challenge. I guess, like
Speaker 1: I guess, to be honest with you, you have to
Speaker 1: kind of assess like what the team did because she
Speaker 1: was the team leader and that commercial was not good,
Speaker 1: was bad, So it was kind of a little bit
Speaker 1: of she got lucky by not being judged on the runway. Sure,
Speaker 1: but it just sucks because I mean, like last week
Speaker 1: was absolutely this weird hit job, and now it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: then to have the letter get this week, to have
Speaker 1: that be confirmed by like, oh, she actually didn't do well,
Speaker 1: it's time. It's like it sucks because it's like, oh
Speaker 1: well those other those other times don't counts. House visitors
Speaker 1: are house visitors, house guests, so funny. I thought it
Speaker 1: was so funny. Also, these huge big like what is
Speaker 1: going on with that? I don't know, but she seems
Speaker 1: to think that they're and the judges think it's funny,
Speaker 1: so sure, why not? But she those are recurring breasts.
Speaker 1: Recurring breasts talk about money, so you have an interesting take.
Speaker 1: You think money stock is plumbing in a little bit. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was talking to a friend of the show, friend
Speaker 1: of the pond, Sam Schlasts, and we're both like, okay,
Speaker 1: she's coming up with the same like bob wigs, every
Speaker 1: does seem very uh repeir editive. She gives you the
Speaker 1: kind of short wig every time shirt wig, you know,
Speaker 1: glittery like sequined rhinestone thing like two red looks in
Speaker 1: a row. Her best drive was her feather look was
Speaker 1: retted to I believe. And and if you look back
Speaker 1: on the sponge dress, like some of the execution, the
Speaker 1: execution was not all the way there. Well, I like
Speaker 1: the sponge dress because I think it was interesting to watch.
Speaker 1: If you're interesting, you go a long way with me,
Speaker 1: at least when it comes to the looks, but like Monee,
Speaker 1: her dress this time was just not interesting. It's not interesting.
Speaker 1: Didn't try to win. And I'm saying and the challenge
Speaker 1: to like I get that she was like leading the charge,
Speaker 1: but like she she got lost by like Asia, by
Speaker 1: all these other people, by Aquaria and definitely not Hua.
Speaker 1: But you know it's like, also, the thing is, like
Speaker 1: these people who do the voiceovers are like the narrators, um,
Speaker 1: they don't know how to make those exciting at all.
Speaker 1: Talk to the people, talk of the people, make it funny.
Speaker 1: That's why it was great that Blair's team didn't really
Speaker 1: have an area until the very end, where it's like
Speaker 1: it starts with like an anecdotal thing of like she's
Speaker 1: just walking down the street, like it was a narrative
Speaker 1: until boom, let's do voice over. I have to be honest,
Speaker 1: I was a little surprised to see Blair in the
Speaker 1: top three. I didn't think she was that good in
Speaker 1: the challenge. I mean, maybe her team was the best
Speaker 1: and she was the leader, and so that's why she
Speaker 1: got there. But she was just kind of like acting
Speaker 1: her part well you know what I mean. It wasn't
Speaker 1: like a winning totally. But she was like fun opposite
Speaker 1: Eurekan and Cracker being like, oh my god, you know,
Speaker 1: like that was fun. It was definitely fun. And I
Speaker 1: just thought, like, I don't know, it just it was
Speaker 1: bizarre to me to see her in the in the
Speaker 1: tippy tippy two yeah, and the dresses. It was fine. Um.
Speaker 1: And then finally we have oh no, that's Blair. That
Speaker 1: was Blair. That was it. I mean, so we have
Speaker 1: Asia o'harrowin the week. Um, we had Mayhem and yuhah
Speaker 1: in the bottom three Mayhem slaves bottom two you with
Speaker 1: that lip sync? Um, And and now where do you
Speaker 1: think we stand? It's been shaking up a little bit
Speaker 1: because truly, like we thought Mayhem was a front runner.
Speaker 1: Maybe well this is I mean, like I've said this
Speaker 1: about a lot of seasons like seven, especially um and
Speaker 1: even nine, but like this is like not a filler
Speaker 1: queen insight because Cameron Stock rose way up for me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's pretty even, It's really even, and there's still like
Speaker 1: twelve queen. There's like eleven queens left. You have to
Speaker 1: think about, like if they're gonna be eliminated for simple things,
Speaker 1: then what is this weakness of every queen for me, Mayhem,
Speaker 1: I think she just might not be like a superstar.
Speaker 1: She's not a performance you know what, She's not gonna
Speaker 1: like hold your attention at a show. Yeah to me,
Speaker 1: she's not like screaming out you know, she doesn't grab
Speaker 1: your attention, you know the way that someone like Ulyssa
Speaker 1: do K does are like you know, any of the
Speaker 1: like stars of the show, like even like people you
Speaker 1: remember like Liganda, you know, they get your attention. That's
Speaker 1: what makes you a star on one of these shows.
Speaker 1: And Mayhem is kind of just like good at what
Speaker 1: she does and we know where she comes from. But
Speaker 1: if you if you put Detox next to Mayhem, they
Speaker 1: have would fade away. So then you've got Dusty, who
Speaker 1: again might just might not have the star quality. But
Speaker 1: I think like Blair is interesting. I think Cameron can't
Speaker 1: act as performer, will get get get eliminated for that.
Speaker 1: Vixen I think is someone that like might have some
Speaker 1: like trouble later later later on like just really bringing
Speaker 1: the looks. I think the looks are going to be
Speaker 1: something also like you get this is she's super dexterous
Speaker 1: and performance like in terms of acting like she gonna
Speaker 1: give you the same thing every time. I'm sure she
Speaker 1: can turn an incredible lipsen, but you know, and then
Speaker 1: miss Crackers. She's pretty amazing all around. Monet, Like maybe
Speaker 1: isn't showing us what she can really do. Aquaria, maybe
Speaker 1: performance will be an issue, like solid it like she
Speaker 1: was great and was great in this challenge on a
Speaker 1: performance level, and she was fun in the and the
Speaker 1: lip sync um extravaganza on episode two, Like she's I
Speaker 1: don't think she's like a bad performer. And I came
Speaker 1: into this season being like Aquaria of God, like she's
Speaker 1: just an Instagram queen. I'm sure she's pretty good. She's
Speaker 1: a performer. She like does she does. She's a solid
Speaker 1: live queen. Um, who do you think is out next week?
Speaker 1: That's tough, Um, I could see. I mean like Monique
Speaker 1: is just like skating down the middle and I'm worried
Speaker 1: for her. Um, but I can also see honestly, I mean,
Speaker 1: Camon Spin skating down the middle to even after this week.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I'm saying, it's like we have
Speaker 1: eleven eleven evenly matched queens and like that's that's huge,
Speaker 1: Like it doesn't actually whittle down to like an even
Speaker 1: field until like, no, we're gonna be sad to see
Speaker 1: people go. Yeah, we are, I would say right now.
Speaker 1: Leading the charge for probably going to be out is
Speaker 1: probably Cameron only because we saw a big weakness here,
Speaker 1: which is that she's not really like a super performer
Speaker 1: in terms of acting, and she's not gonna make it.
Speaker 1: She's not gonna make it past snatch game. I don't think, no,
Speaker 1: I don't think we'll see a snatch game. That's that's
Speaker 1: where we might not even see snatch game from some
Speaker 1: people that would kill it. Oh yeah, I hope they
Speaker 1: hope they do it for more people, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, I think I
Speaker 1: hope they do it earlier. I hope we see it
Speaker 1: with eight people or maybe even nine. Yes, okay, so Matt,
Speaker 1: you want to end up end with a complicated feelings
Speaker 1: on this? Yes, um sure, Okay, great, I can start
Speaker 1: to like, okay, great, here you go. This is bond yangs.
Speaker 1: I have complicated feelings on this, and as time starts now,
Speaker 1: I have complicated feelings on when the show still goes
Speaker 1: on even when RuPaul is clearly sick. What the hell
Speaker 1: was going on this week? I have complicated feelings about
Speaker 1: RuPaul not being in tiptop shape. I know that she
Speaker 1: takes care of herself very well. She hikes every morning,
Speaker 1: she meditates for hours every single day. If RuPaul is sick,
Speaker 1: if RuPaul cannot speak, if she's suffering as she's talking, Um,
Speaker 1: I say, call off the call off the day. You know,
Speaker 1: everyone deserves a sick day right now. And then even
Speaker 1: Mama ru have complicated feelings on the show, trying to
Speaker 1: vary Um, you know very uh, just overtly cover up
Speaker 1: the fact that he's sick and like eight R ring
Speaker 1: and dubbing over his voice. Um. In the mini challenge,
Speaker 1: and God, that main stage was really tough to watch Ruis.
Speaker 1: Towards the end, she was really withering. So Ru, I hope,
Speaker 1: I'm sure this was months ago, but I hope you
Speaker 1: feel better. And that's one minute listen. Um. I thought
Speaker 1: it was so weird, too, so distracting that she was
Speaker 1: not feeling well. I'm actually not feeling well right now.
Speaker 1: And I said to Bow, and ru Is like acting
Speaker 1: how I feel right now. Ibout a lot of better
Speaker 1: dull people. All right, I'm ready, Okay, this is Matt Rodgers.
Speaker 1: I don't have complicated feelings about this. His time starts now.
Speaker 1: I have complicated feelings of when they picked the team's
Speaker 1: because for a show that's supposed to facilitate like positive
Speaker 1: vibes and never rething and inclusion, it's like, why would
Speaker 1: you feature something that's so like evokes a painful memory
Speaker 1: for a lot of people, which is like being picked last.
Speaker 1: Like honestly, every time some queen gets picked last, it
Speaker 1: just makes me feel like, oh, this is a juvenile
Speaker 1: part of the show that is only there to exacerbate
Speaker 1: drama that we don't necessarily need. Like Project Runway, they
Speaker 1: do this thing where they pull um, they pull like
Speaker 1: stuff out of a bag, like, oh, the bag is here,
Speaker 1: Like now we know the team is gonna be randomly
Speaker 1: chosen because like, I don't know, it's just more respect.
Speaker 1: I just don't know if we need it. I think
Speaker 1: we could randomly assort the team's um and you'd still
Speaker 1: be able to get the dramatic parents that you want
Speaker 1: because you go back and produce it, like you could
Speaker 1: rig it a little bit whatever. But having them pick
Speaker 1: is mean and it reminds me of a bad time.
Speaker 1: So I've complicated things about that thank you. That's one minute.
Speaker 1: That was gorgeous. Man, thank you. I totally agree with you,
Speaker 1: and I didn't really thought of it. This is the
Speaker 1: second week in a rew they did it, and I
Speaker 1: was like, and where it's clearly affecting people's moods and mayhem,
Speaker 1: I think it dictates did the whole her whole day
Speaker 1: and Eurik always picked last last week too. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then it started a whole chain of events there. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I guess that then it does get them
Speaker 1: worked up an emotional so sure, why not. But I
Speaker 1: just feel like it's an emotional terrorism that I don't know,
Speaker 1: that very specific, very specific to people being gay, and
Speaker 1: it really resonates with people who like probably stood around
Speaker 1: in gym class their whole life long or picked glass
Speaker 1: for being here, yeah, I mean like for being effeminate
Speaker 1: or being not good at sports like that was like
Speaker 1: always like an yeah, it's anyway, I have coming things
Speaker 1: about that. Well, okay, well then we hope you guys
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