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Speaker 1: Welcome into another edition of the Huddle Up Podcast and

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Speaker 1: the off season. Today is Wednesday, February twenty First JP Shadwick,

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Speaker 1: John Osier from the HOUNDAI Studios at the Miller Electric

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Speaker 1: Center in Jacksonville. Bucky Brooks joining us today from Yeoman Stadium,

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Speaker 1: New Orleans, Louisiana, ahead of the HBCU Legacy Bowl this week.

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon of year. Fuck, what's on?

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Speaker 2: What's up? Man? What's happening? Man? We look another week

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Speaker 2: in the books.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's the start of the new season. Optimism

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Speaker 3: is a bound. We got franchise tags and stuff that's

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Speaker 3: gobout to pop off and combine on the horizon.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited about it.

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Speaker 4: Bucky, do you find right to the combine from from

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Speaker 4: New Orleans?

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Speaker 2: Oh? No, no, no, I gotta go back on.

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Speaker 3: That's that's a lot of days at days on the road, right, Dude,

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Speaker 3: Like I'm a grind it, but now I ain't trying

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Speaker 3: to grind like that.

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Speaker 2: That's a lot.

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Speaker 1: He's got to get those flight miles in. I mean,

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Speaker 1: come on, he's got.

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Speaker 3: To maintain a stam man trying trying to try and

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Speaker 3: trying to maintain status.

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Speaker 4: So you're just blowing off the early days of the combine.

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Speaker 2: Man, I mean the early days. I mean the combine

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Speaker 2: is different than it used to be. But I get there,

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Speaker 2: I get plenty. I kept plenty of days in.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have a full plate to Bucky next week.

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Speaker 1: We'll get to that in just a little while. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna have a lot of Bucky Brooks on our programming.

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Speaker 1: Moving ahead, huddle up a Bucky Brooks brought to you

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Speaker 1: Fieldsauto dot Com. Well, there's not a lot happening right now.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot that could happen in the next couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks or so, but nothing has happened yet. It

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Speaker 1: is tag time though. The window opened on Tuesday and

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Speaker 1: it runs through March fifth, to apply the franchise or

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Speaker 1: transition tag to players. Josh Allen the most likely candidate.

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Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley's name has been thrown around that as well,

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Speaker 1: but nothing as of right now has happened. So no

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Speaker 1: news is no news, Bucky. It's what it is. But

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Speaker 1: it feels like something's gonna happen, either a tag or

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Speaker 1: a D or one of those two.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, one of those things, like the vehicle is open

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Speaker 3: for the team to use the tag. If they want

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Speaker 3: to utilize the tag, you would like to think that

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Speaker 3: they're gonna try and negotiate see if they can get something.

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Speaker 2: Done, because if you get that done, then.

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Speaker 3: It gives you the opportunity to use the tag in

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Speaker 3: other ways if you want to use the on Cavin

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Speaker 3: Ridley or whatever. So hopefully they're beginning to have conversations

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Speaker 3: and talks and maybe that those talks will accelerate quickly

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Speaker 3: when you get a deal done. If not, then it

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Speaker 3: comes down to with Josh Allen. Okay, you want to

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Speaker 3: retain them on the tag, and then you have to

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Speaker 3: negotiate elsewhere. Hopefully we can find a happy medium where

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Speaker 3: the player and the team are both satisfied what to do.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would expect this gives us sort of a

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Speaker 4: time frame. We'll here something on Josh Allen, but I

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Speaker 4: would think by March fifth, because you're either gonna tag

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Speaker 4: them or they're gonna sign them. So I don't much

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Speaker 4: like always is the case, or much like it's often

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Speaker 4: the case with these sorts of negotiations. It's not surprising

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Speaker 4: that the there is no news, But I don't know

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Speaker 4: if no news is good news or bad news. I

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Speaker 4: think it's just we can speculate. We assume that they're talking,

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Speaker 4: we assume that there's a chance to get something worked out.

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Speaker 4: But I don't have a real feel for this one.

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Speaker 4: So that's not great radio or podcasting or whatever. But

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Speaker 4: I don't really have a gut either way, except except

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Speaker 4: I'm sure Josh Allen be on the team.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and they've said that. That's all you

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Speaker 1: can go off of what they've said. I mean, Trent

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Speaker 1: Balkey said that in the press conference he's not going anywhere,

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Speaker 1: and Josh Allen said that in the locker room after

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Speaker 1: the season that he wants to be here. So at

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Speaker 1: some point they'll figure out a way to make that happen, right,

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Speaker 1: I guess, I mean they should, And it feels like

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Speaker 1: that's the case. By the way, the number, the full

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Speaker 1: numbers on franchise tag numbers come out after restricted free

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Speaker 1: agency is over, but defensive ends Bucky and the ballpark

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Speaker 1: of around twenty million dollars linebackers just under twenty three

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Speaker 3: I suppose, yeah, land right over twenty million dollar mark

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Speaker 3: for Josh Allen that used to be old quarterback money.

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Speaker 3: It will put him in the high cotton when you

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Speaker 3: pass rusher at thirty million. But yeah, when you talk

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Speaker 3: what it could go, I mean, it's gonna be a

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Speaker 3: hefty payday for Josh Allen. He deserves it do coming

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Speaker 3: off the season that he had last year. He had

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Speaker 3: so then you gotta figure out a way to pay him.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I don't honestly have a gut over how

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Speaker 4: that'll play out. I'm hoping that he plays for a

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Speaker 4: everybody who's who's speculating is speculating based on not much.

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Speaker 4: So it's gonna mean it's gonna be an interesting couple

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Speaker 1: Let's take a look a little bit of the history

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Speaker 1: of the Jaguars using the franchise tag, and this has

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Speaker 1: been reported and discussed over the years on different websites

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Speaker 1: and things. The latest John Shipley of Sports Illustrated this

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Speaker 1: week had the latest breakdown of what the Jags have

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Speaker 1: done historically with the franchise tag, and they've used it

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Speaker 1: in ten different instances, and in six of those instances

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Speaker 1: it was a long term deal before the following season happened.

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Speaker 1: Three of those players at three of those instances played

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Speaker 1: I mean that's especially from Josh Allen's perspective. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's still kind of a one year proven deal. You'd

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Speaker 1: rather have that security long term, I would guess at.

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Speaker 2: Least yeah, you would. You would like to have the

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Speaker 3: And I was saying that he can't go out and

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Speaker 3: put up numbers like he did this year, but it fluctuates.

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Speaker 2: It's hard to put up tumble.

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Speaker 3: Jgit sacked numbers back to back years, and if he

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Speaker 2: Kind of money that he wants.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully the team rewards him just because of not only

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Speaker 3: because of the player that he is, but the person

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Speaker 2: In a perfect world, when you're a team you.

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Speaker 3: Like to draft your guys high, you like them to

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Speaker 2: Then you want to retain them.

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Speaker 3: And so if you talk about being a draft and

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Speaker 3: at a high level, you certainly want to make sure

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I've said over and over again, I think Josh

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Speaker 4: is a It's never easy to pay a guy what

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Speaker 4: he's going to be paid, but to me, it's a

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Speaker 4: relatively safe signing because even when he's not high sacked guy,

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Speaker 4: he's a good player and I think his floor is

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Speaker 4: very high. When he had seven and a half sacks,

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Speaker 4: everybody's disappointed and he was still I thought, the best

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Speaker 4: defensive player on the team in twenty twenty two. That

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Speaker 4: would have been so to me. Gms that I've known

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Speaker 4: over the years, when they sign a guy to that

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Speaker 4: just completely crap out on him. And to me, Bucky,

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Speaker 4: from a team's point of view, Josh is relatively safe

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Speaker 4: on that front. You can't always control your sack numbers

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Speaker 4: He's a solid over overall player. To me, that makes

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Speaker 4: him pretty safe on this front.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, really safe.

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Speaker 3: Look, I don't think there's any risk involved in signing

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's a great guy, he's a great leader.

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Speaker 3: We saw what he was able to do with his

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Speaker 3: done last year he had to play without a capable

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Speaker 3: trying to find the number that fits.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And we don't need today to get into the

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Speaker 1: history of first round draft picks for this organization that

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Speaker 1: do not return after their rookie deal. There is a

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Speaker 1: long term issue for the organization. But Josh Allen, if

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Speaker 1: he can get something done, would put that to a

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Speaker 1: stop and moving forward. And as from an organizational perspective,

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Speaker 1: you've got to have those cornerstone guys. They haven't been

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Speaker 4: A lot well, and you've got a chance signed Josh.

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Speaker 4: They're not gonna sign anybody from the twenty twenty draft,

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Speaker 4: but sign Josh. Get Trevor done. Trayvon to me looks

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Speaker 4: real chance to be a long term guy. Anton Harrison

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Speaker 4: you never know with a Trayvon. You know that's two

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Speaker 4: or three years out. Who knows how numbers shake out

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Speaker 1: A good step in the right direction.

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Speaker 4: Right, and but you have a chance to retain and

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Speaker 4: have retainable guys. Travis etn another first round picking that

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Speaker 1: Shadwick And next week the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis,

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Speaker 1: I think late in the week. You, Bucky, you'll be

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Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, of course. Doug Peterson and Trent Balke last we've

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Speaker 1: to change. But whenever they speak, of course, we'll have

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Speaker 1: it for you live. We'll have all the recaps and

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Speaker 1: things on Jaguars dot Com. Special guests already being booked

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Speaker 1: for Radio Row Tuesday, Wednesday Thursday, including a lot of

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Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks. We're gonna have jags am on Wednesday, We're

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Speaker 1: gonna have a have You radio on Thursday up there

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Speaker 1: in Indy, and all kinds of stuff going on. So, Hey, Bucky,

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Speaker 1: I know you're gonna be around for the testing and

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Speaker 1: stuff later. We're gonna leave before a lot of that

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Speaker 1: happens and not get to see which of it. A

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Speaker 1: question for the scout and analyst, what position, what position

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Speaker 1: group are you most excited to see test later in

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Speaker 1: the week in.

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Speaker 2: Indy, Okay.

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Speaker 3: So from a personal standpoint, were we take off our

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Speaker 3: Jaguars hat, I would say the most exciting position to

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Speaker 3: see tests, I want to see the wide receivers. It's

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Speaker 3: one of the deepest Wars classes that we've seen, not

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Speaker 3: necessarily just at the top, but throughout the first three rounds.

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Speaker 3: You can find plenty of playmakers, plenty of guys that

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Speaker 3: can make things happen, whether it's traditional, polished route runners,

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Speaker 3: whether as catching run specialists. There are a lot of

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Speaker 3: guys in this class that can get it done. The

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Speaker 3: second most intriguing position for me would be either cornerback

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Speaker 3: or the offensive tackle class. Both classes and those respects

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Speaker 3: and positions are deep.

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Speaker 2: There are starters to be had, whether in the first

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Speaker 2: round or second round.

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Speaker 3: The dbs are really intriguing because if we think about

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Speaker 3: from a Jaguar standpoint, what could happen, what you may

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Speaker 3: need look. I think Tyson Cambell and Darius Williams are

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Speaker 3: entering the last years of their respective deals. So does

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Speaker 3: that mean that you need to start thinking about not

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Speaker 3: only fortifying the depth, but maybe finding potential replacements, Because

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Speaker 3: if Trevor Lawrence gets paid, it changes the way that

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Speaker 3: you have to allocate the resources elsewhere, and that means

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Speaker 3: you might have to have more draft and develop guys

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Speaker 3: on the defense side of the ball. So I want

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Speaker 3: to see what the corner position looks like. And then

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Speaker 3: offensive line with the offensive tackles really good group. I

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Speaker 3: mean a ton of first rounders that are available, but also

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Speaker 3: the interior. I have some guys that are really really interesting,

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Speaker 3: and I know there's been some conversation about the Jaguars

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Speaker 3: upgrading the inside part of that offensive line. There are

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Speaker 3: plenty of guys that can play, plenty of guys that

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Speaker 3: are plugging play options.

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Speaker 2: So maybe, just maybe I'll take a long look at

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Speaker 2: those guys.

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Speaker 4: See I maintain JP and BUCkies argued off air with

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Speaker 4: me by this a little bit before. I don't think

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Speaker 4: you'll ever see a class again that doesn't have great

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Speaker 4: wide receivers. I think the game, oh no, I think

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Speaker 4: the game has changed high school passing camps, college, whatever.

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Speaker 4: So I wonder how you even differentiated anymore. I mean,

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Speaker 4: it just seems like it's always going to be a

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Speaker 4: deep draft. You always have athletic guys from Florida, Texas,

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Speaker 4: California who can run, and now that they're playing the

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Speaker 4: sport earlier, they're all going to be more developed.

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Speaker 2: There are going to be more development.

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Speaker 3: I think John is so interesting because when you look

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Speaker 3: at the our receiver position, you do not have to

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Speaker 3: take all wide receiver in the first round to get

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Speaker 3: a guy that can be a number one type playmaker.

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Speaker 3: I think the Kuka Nakua and what he was able

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Speaker 3: to do for the La Rams. He's the fifth round pick,

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Speaker 3: made plays. We saw it early in the year. Week two,

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Speaker 3: we played the Houston Texans Tankdale Goes Bananas. He was

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Speaker 3: a third round pick and really, prior to his injury

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Speaker 3: for the Texans, he and Nico Collins were kind of

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Speaker 3: sharing the marquee as their top playmakers.

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Speaker 2: There are plenty of guys that can do that.

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Speaker 3: You just have to know exactly what you want and

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Speaker 3: you have to know how you want to utilize them

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Speaker 3: when you bring them in the building.

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Speaker 1: But if Marvin Harrison's searing you in the face and

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Speaker 1: you have the pick. It's hard not to take the big, long, tall, fast,

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Speaker 1: strong son of a hall of.

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Speaker 2: Fame, is no, it is hard.

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Speaker 3: Now the conversation is gonna be really interesting with Marvin

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Speaker 3: Harrison Junior, Rome Adunza, and Malik Neighbors. All of those

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Speaker 3: guys are well regarded, highly thought of in the scouting community,

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Speaker 3: and there's some don't necessarily have Marvin Harrison Junior as

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Speaker 3: the unanimous choice as the number one wide receiver.

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Speaker 2: How will these guys work out?

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Speaker 3: But they look like how they interview and tests will

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Speaker 3: go a long way determining if Marvin Harrison Junior is

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Speaker 3: gonna be the pick when it comes down to take

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Speaker 3: the first wide receiver off the ward.

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Speaker 4: Would be ironic because if the Jaguars had a chance

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Speaker 4: to draft Marvin Harrison Jr. And he didn't talk to

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Speaker 4: me for ten years.

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Speaker 2: Two, I mean, wow, you know I would.

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Speaker 3: I would probably say that if you somehow found his

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Speaker 3: way to Jacksonville, I'm sure Senior will probably say, Hey, guys, look,

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Speaker 3: I want you to be very friendly with all the personnel.

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Speaker 2: Put that guy over there, that old shit got we

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Speaker 2: gonna steer clear of him. Your word, it's funny.

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Speaker 4: I got along great with Marvin. He he was all

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Speaker 4: I always enjoyed being around Marvin. He just did not

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Speaker 4: talk to anybody, man. I mean, he did not do

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Speaker 4: the media, and I think I did. I think I

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Speaker 4: covered him ten years and I think I'd talked to

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Speaker 4: him for the record like three times four. I mean,

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Speaker 4: just maybe underestimating that. But wasn't this thing so But

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Speaker 4: my impression is Marvin Harrison Junior is much more comfortable

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Speaker 4: with me. And Marvin just didn't like doing it. I mean,

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Speaker 4: it wasn't necessarily that he had beefs with the media,

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Speaker 4: et cetera, et cetera. He just wasn't comfortable with it

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Speaker 4: and didn't like doing it and wasn't and took the

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Speaker 4: strategy of purposely being really bad at it when he talked,

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Speaker 4: so nobody really wanted to talk to him anyways. He

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Speaker 4: wouldn't say anything. So but it deserved Hall of Famer

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Speaker 4: and his kid's great.

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Speaker 1: But I know Bucky probably had a parallelis of Tom

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Speaker 1: Cleats right when you played.

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Speaker 3: Uh No, it doesn't look too flashy for me, you

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Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Like this looks too looks too

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Speaker 3: flash for me. I like a little more understated style.

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Speaker 3: But I can get it, you know. I mean I

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Speaker 3: can get behind Margaret Harrison Junior doing it. Because sometimes, man,

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Speaker 3: when you got a flamboyant game, you wanted to make

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Speaker 3: sure that the close matchup won't be appropriate.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, I guess so.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, when you play out wide, Look, it's about commanding intention.

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Speaker 3: You're so far from the ball, you don't touch the

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Speaker 3: ball all the time. You want to be noticed. You

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Speaker 3: want to be noticed for something, and that's one way

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Speaker 3: to do it. The footwear, the Louis Vautons on the cleats,

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Speaker 3: that was a very impressive look.

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Speaker 2: I think he also had to watch too. I think

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Speaker 2: he was one of those guys that.

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Speaker 1: He was wearing a watch during the game, one of

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Speaker 1: the games Apple Watch.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you got into a time. It's got to

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Speaker 3: be able to get on and off the field. We

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Speaker 3: got things to do after the game.

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Speaker 2: JP.

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Speaker 1: You know the Louis Vutan cleats. The Michigan defense noticed it.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah they did. They talked about it. They

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Speaker 3: talked about, you can't be tough. We've got that Louis.

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Speaker 2: The Louis Vauton stuff walking around.

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Speaker 1: Punched him in the face.

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Speaker 4: I wonder if he's the UH for the son of

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Speaker 4: a Hall of famer? Will he be the highest drafted.

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Speaker 2: Player?

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Speaker 1: Long?

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Speaker 2: Maybe?

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Speaker 1: How he's kid?

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Speaker 2: He wait, wait no, that's right. Yeah, yeah, is Archie

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Speaker 2: Man in the Hall of Fame?

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Speaker 4: But Long, okay, Long is probably it's just.

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Speaker 2: Because Chris Long, because Chris Long was too overall.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think I think it's remarkable. That's got

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Speaker 4: to be hard. I mean a lot of pressure coming up,

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Speaker 4: and you can say you're blessed with jeans, but you

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Speaker 4: still got to work to get there, and so it's

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Speaker 4: a remarkable thing to be able to do.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, Yeah, all right, So next week, Combine, Indy

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Speaker 1: Bucky will see you every single day and then you

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Speaker 1: can't wait, get ready.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait, man, I'm looking forward to it. Oh, John, John,

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Speaker 3: I want you to take your positive pials. It's gonna

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Speaker 3: be all positivity when we're on the show.

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Speaker 4: Pills.

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Speaker 1: What's in a positive phill? I don't even want to know.

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Speaker 2: Got.

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Speaker 3: Just I just wanted to take some positive pills. The

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Speaker 3: league calendar is about the flip is a new year.

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Speaker 3: We can put the pass on. Whatever last year was

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Speaker 3: is gone. Our eyes are forward. We're talking about Super

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Speaker 3: Bowl fifty nine.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna use that line a lot, and all these

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Speaker 1: interviews we have to do. No, no, the eyes are four.

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Speaker 1: They're not looking back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, as are for they're looking back.

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Speaker 1: Bucky.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you next week, all right, that should be fun.

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Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks in New Orleans, John Ozier, J P. Shaddick

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Speaker 1: or thanks to David Choe and Joe Fortunado, and thanks

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Speaker 1: to you for listening to the Huddle Up Podcast