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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number three

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Speaker 1: fifty nine, and today in the show, we're catching up

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Speaker 1: with Dan Johnson on summer trail camera work, summer scouting,

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Speaker 1: summer preparations for the season, and a little bit fun

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Speaker 1: in between. All Right, welcome to the Wired Hunt podcast,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by on X. Today is one I've

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Speaker 1: been looking forward to for weeks now. Um, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about summer white tail prep. We're gonna talk about

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Speaker 1: trail cameras and scouting and Velvet bucks and all good stuff.

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Speaker 1: But that's the kind of thing you know, you get

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Speaker 1: to hear on a weekly basis on this podcast other podcasts.

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Speaker 1: But what you don't get to hear is often, especially

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Speaker 1: anymore now that we're busy fathers and business owners and

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Speaker 1: all this crazy stuff we got going on. What you

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Speaker 1: don't get to hear as much is what I need

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Speaker 1: more in my life. It's Dan Johnson and Mark Kenyon

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Speaker 1: talking about stupid stuff like peanut butter and kids and

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Speaker 1: who knows what else Have we ever talked about peanut

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Speaker 1: butter before? For sure? I'm pretty sure. For some reason,

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking of some kind of weird kids store with

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Speaker 1: peanut butter. Do you have? Isn't there something like your

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Speaker 1: kids were doing with peanut butter? Or maybe maybe think

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Speaker 1: of the dog food one, the one time you open

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Speaker 1: human food and eata that one? Maybe? Yeah, that, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I can I can see that happening. I really don't

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Speaker 1: even question things anymore. If someone told me, dude, you're

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Speaker 1: a murderer, I'd be like, yeah, I probably did. I

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Speaker 1: don't even remember what happened last week. So how are you,

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Speaker 1: my friend? I'm good, dude, Just sitting here with a

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Speaker 1: nice glaze a sweat here in Iowa. It's hot, it's humid,

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Speaker 1: it's normal, and uh, I don't know, just live in life.

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Speaker 1: I guess, just living life. You know, it's funny, we're

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Speaker 1: just talking before we started recording. We've been doing this

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Speaker 1: podcast for six years now or seven I mean the

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Speaker 1: spring of ten, fourteen fifteen, sixteen seventy, so seven seasons

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Speaker 1: now worth of the Wire Dram podcast. And you've been

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Speaker 1: on a ton of them. Um In all that time,

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Speaker 1: we've probably gotten a little smarter. Maybe we've gotten a

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Speaker 1: little bit better deer hunting. We've we've grown our families.

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Speaker 1: But we're still doing some super hill billy ship Like

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Speaker 1: I'm recording my truck. You're recording with like fans and

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Speaker 1: wish you could. I'm glad this isn't a video podcast

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Speaker 1: all right where you can see me in my all

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Speaker 1: my love that God has given me. Well when I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm recording Idaho right now. So our place out here

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Speaker 1: And then when I'm at home, I still have to

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Speaker 1: we should do a shirtless episode, man video video episode shirtless.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think that's the only thing that we

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Speaker 1: dude like we've been we've been riding and but what

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't know. I thought you're gonna help

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Speaker 1: Family Dan Johnson family stories, any crisis, any crazy stuff,

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Speaker 1: Now I'm cocky, right, and long story short, Mac now

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Speaker 1: I don't even know. Like for me, it doesn't matter.

423
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 1: I don't care if they're typical or if they're non typical.

424
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 1: But what I like to do is exactly what we

425
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 1: just did, and that is try to shoot. Try to

426
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,880
Speaker 1: figure out what that dear is gonna be like next year.

427
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 1: Like if you say for for me, it would be

428
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 1: all right. So I had a three and a half

429
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 1: year old that I passed, what's he gonna do this year?

430
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 1: Is he just gonna do the same, be the same

431
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 1: and blow up? Because I have that eleven pointer that

432
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,879
Speaker 1: in the same tree, uh, in the same area that

433
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 1: I got this big one seventy I have, I now have,

434
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 1: uh that buck, that three year old that I passed, Yeah,

435
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 1: early in the rut, right yeah, right early in the rut.

436
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 1: You know, he came right in and you know I

437
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 1: was filming him straight down with my cell phone, and

438
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 1: I'm imagining what he turns into because he also made

439
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 1: it through the the shotgun season. Well what so I

440
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 1: can't not ask? Now, what's it gonna look like? Oh, jeez, Mark,

441
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 1: We're just gonna ride this horse till it dies. Another

442
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 1: hour of hypothetical, right right, Okay, let's see here, he's

443
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 1: gonna be the exact same tight racked buck with more mass.

444
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 1: He's not gonna be out past his ears. He's gonna

445
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 1: have more mass, and I'm gonna guess he's gonna have

446
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 1: a couple five inch five and a half maybe even

447
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 1: a six inch mass measurement on some of his measurements.

448
00:24:55,720 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 1: But he's also going to have maybe ten to eleven

449
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 1: inch g twos and then they'll be slowly work their

450
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 1: way down from there. That's a beautiful deer. I love

451
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: a titan tall buck like that. Now, you and me,

452
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 1: we've we've said a thousand times on our podcast. It's

453
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 1: not all about the Anglers. That's not what it is,

454
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 1: but it is still cool thing like they're a little

455
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 1: bit about the Anglers. It is cool. They are awesome

456
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 1: critters to watch, and I don't know, you can't help

457
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 1: but be fascinated by them. Um, can I can I

458
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 1: do one? Yeah? Because it's Tran, right, yes, Tran? So

459
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,159
Speaker 1: what did Tran look like this year? And what is

460
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 1: he going to look like this year? So? Tran was

461
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: just a tight and tall eight pointer. He had really

462
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 1: long G twos and then shorter G three's um and

463
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,120
Speaker 1: good brow twns brow times and like five inch brow

464
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: times maybe maybe a little more than that on some

465
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: of them are on one side. Um. And he had

466
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: a little kicker coming off of his left side base

467
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: about an inch long. So I'm looking at him right now,

468
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,360
Speaker 1: I thought, as you know, I found his match set,

469
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 1: both of them sitting right next to each other in

470
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 1: the cornfield. Um, he's gonna stay a big eight, big

471
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 1: main framemate. His G two is, like I said, are

472
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,199
Speaker 1: both like I think I think one was ten and

473
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: one was eleven or nine and a half and eleven

474
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 1: something like that. Both of very long. I'm guessing those

475
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 1: are gonna just be foot longers. Twelve or thirteen inch

476
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 1: G two is just daggers. But one of them was

477
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 1: starting to blade out a little bit this year, so

478
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 1: I think they're both gonna get like fully bladed, so

479
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 1: like twelve inch bladed G twos. His G three's are

480
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: both gonna get like really respectable, like five or six

481
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,880
Speaker 1: inch really good G three's. And then again he's got

482
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,439
Speaker 1: these tall brow times that kind of curl out a

483
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: little bit, so I'm gonna stay they're just gonna grow

484
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: maybe another inch each, so let's say six to seven

485
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: inch brow times. But that little sticker on the base,

486
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 1: he's gonna match on the other side, so he's gonna

487
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: have these kind of unicorn points from the bases, one

488
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: on each side, about two inches long. So if I

489
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: were to see this buck for the first time ever,

490
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: I might jump to a cliche name like hook or something.

491
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 1: Uh and good, good, good good mass. I say, it's

492
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 1: kind of average mass this past year, and I think

493
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 1: he'll kind of continue with that. So in two thousand twenty,

494
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 1: you know, he was just over last year. Uh, he

495
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: looked bigger than that, but that was what he scored

496
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: out to be. For whatever that's worth, I'm gonna put

497
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: him as like a hundred and forty ish eight pointer

498
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: this year, maybe a little bigger than that with those

499
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: G two I don't know, Okay, I thought maybe with

500
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 1: your imagination, you would have thrown like well maybe late

501
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: in the season. He was wounded and it's gonna cause

502
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 1: him to grow a twelve inch drop time. See, I

503
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: thought I was. I thought I was pushing my luck

504
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: with the bladed G two. So I don't know, man,

505
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 1: if that if a buck like that is running around,

506
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 1: that's gonna be enough to make me lose my mind.

507
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: So I'm excited. I'm excited to see these summer trail

508
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: camera pictures. And and the cool thing is that the

509
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: property that that buck is on has beans again on it,

510
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 1: and it has had beans on it it usually, you know,

511
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 1: usually flip flops. But last year because of the wonky spring,

512
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: you know, how, what was it really dry? I think,

513
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 1: why was it everything gotten so late? I'm trying to

514
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: remember it was it was drought? Right, Yeah, I think

515
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: there was a two wet Why can't I remember this?

516
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 1: You mean last year? Yeah? Last year? Remember all that

517
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: no one got their crops in on time and everything

518
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 1: was all messed up. I think it was. I think

519
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: it was July. We went through a kind of a drought,

520
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: and then September in October got wet. Ye. This shows

521
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: you how much mental damage I've gotten over the years.

522
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: The kids point being, they didn't plant the fields like

523
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: they usually do last year, so they actually split the

524
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: farm up. Half the farm was corn, half the farm

525
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: was beans instead of the whole thing. So this would

526
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: be my third year in a row now with beans

527
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: on some portion of the farm, which just makes for

528
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: that really cool summer viewing. So I'm hoping I'll get

529
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: my third summer in earrow that I can watch him,

530
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: which is just a lot of fun to be able

531
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: to do that, and uh, you know how that is.

532
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: That's that's just a fun thing nest time here. Yeah, absolutely, man,

533
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: I'm just uh, it's the trail camera thing, right, I mean,

534
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: for me, this year is going to be about trail

535
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: cameras and and and basically just sitting and waiting because

536
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: if I get a if I get a summer pick

537
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: of Gnarlie Charlie, it's gonna dictate a lot of what

538
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,239
Speaker 1: I do. I'm gonna be able to cut off the

539
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: farm in half. I'm probably going to ignore it, and

540
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: then I'm going to just focus on the routes that

541
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: he's been running for the past couple of years and

542
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: put myself in the best possible position for him. Okay,

543
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: so you're you you believe that the intel you got

544
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: last year. I know, last summer we had a podcast

545
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: just like this, almost the exact same time when you

546
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: said you were creating your Dan Johnson points on a map,

547
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: connect the dots between the trail cameras strategy, and you

548
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: did that. You crossed off half the farm and then

549
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: last fall you started hunting that zone and then you

550
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: had your first sighting of him. Um, that takes us

551
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: to now this year. So if you get the confirmation

552
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: he's alive, he made it, then you cross off that

553
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: map again the part that he wasn't on. But what different, like,

554
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: how have you tightened the news anymore since last November

555
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: when you saw him? Are you gonna do like the

556
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: circle of cameras in the area and keep on adjusting

557
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: or what they're So what I'll what I'll do is

558
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: I will cut the farm in half, really focus on

559
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: you know, because I put more cameras in that area

560
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: this year, So I have more intel this this past

561
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: year on him than I did the previous year. So

562
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: it's just more of the routes that he's taken king

563
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: and I'm putting myself in in just continuing to shrink

564
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: down that area and hopes hopefully find the dough group

565
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: that's working its way through the area and pulls him through.

566
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: Or I still don't think he's betting on my property

567
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: that I have access to. I think he's coming from

568
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: a different property, and but it's really close, it's really close.

569
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: I just have to try to find where he's coming,

570
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: you know. I think he's traveling a long way in

571
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: a in a day, going from where he feels comfortable

572
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: in in his betting area on a different farm, coming

573
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,959
Speaker 1: through the properties that I have access to and making

574
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: it like being nocturnal there, and then kind of coming

575
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: working his way back. Is is what I'm thinking he's doing,

576
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: or what he'll do is he'll come through for like

577
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: a three day cycle. He'll work the farm for three

578
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: days and then two days maybe and then go back.

579
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: So is there anything you can do right now or

580
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: you know, over the next two months to prepare for that,

581
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: like are you going to I don't know. Are you

582
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: doing anything different with your summer trail cameras that you

583
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: used than you usually do to confirm his presence or

584
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: is it kind of the standard approach do you take? Yeah,

585
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: it's a standard approach, because, like I've said a million times,

586
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: the September shift hits and things just shut off, right,

587
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: and then it isn't until so I guess the not

588
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: last year, but the previous two years he didn't show

589
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: up in the farm until late October. Well, this year,

590
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: I added a couple of trail cameras, right, so I

591
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: don't I don't have any intel until I get a

592
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: trail camera picture of him and then so so the

593
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: additional trail cameras that I added caught him early October,

594
00:32:54,480 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: like October three, middle of the night, October broad daylight,

595
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: middle of the day, so I think he got bumped, right,

596
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: and and then he started making his rounds late October,

597
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: so he's around And the only the only reason I

598
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: think that one was a daylight is because I don't

599
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: know farmer farming activities or you know, a dog running

600
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: through the woods or somebody else you know running through

601
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: the woods. Don't know, but Yeah, have you have you

602
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: considered trying to see him in the summer in the

603
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: evenings at all, to see confirmed presents like glassing on

604
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,719
Speaker 1: your property, your neighboring properties or anything like that. Yeah,

605
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: it's just this year it's tough because I would have

606
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: to go through a corn field to get to the

607
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: bean field, and I really don't want to bump him.

608
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: And if what I'm thinking is right, if I'm thinking

609
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: he's coming off of another property, he's not getting to

610
00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: the bean field until after dark anyway, gotcha? So yeah,

611
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: what about you? Have you been thinking about strategy with

612
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: with Tran? I have, Um, I think my my dilemma

613
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: with that one is there's two things. I've like, two

614
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: competing pressures. I've got one thing being that there's an

615
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: increasing number of people that I know that are hunting

616
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: that deer I guess, or the deer in the area,

617
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: like the deer I could hunt, are also now on

618
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,399
Speaker 1: the radar of other people who I'm hearing from, who

619
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: are also like serious hunters. So there's just more competition

620
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: from people that kind of know what they're doing. And

621
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: maybe that was happening before and I just didn't know it,

622
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: But now that I know it. There's this new sense

623
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: of crap. If I don't get them such and such,

624
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: will you know? Um. So that's telling me hunt earlier,

625
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: take it, try to try to get it done sooner

626
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: than later. Um. But then on the other side, I

627
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: have you know, last year's observations and trail camera datat

628
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: which other than opening day, I didn't get any daylight

629
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 1: pictures or sightings of him all the way until Halloween.

630
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: So I got no daylight confirmation with him all through

631
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: October UM. The year previous to that, I did have

632
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: October daylight movement. Last year no October movement, and then

633
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: once Halloween hit though, he was very active for um

634
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: most of November and then a little bit in December two.

635
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 1: So that tells me play it safe, wait till late October,

636
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: and then it hit it hard then. On the flip side, though,

637
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: another reason why I should maybe be more aggressive early

638
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: is that I've got a really packed slate of back

639
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: forty hunts that I'm going to be you know, on

640
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: that property for that's gonna keep me from the tram

641
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: property for a lot of the good stuff in November.

642
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: So so that said, I'm a little bit up in

643
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: the air, but I'm probably gonna be probably gonna be

644
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: more aggressive. Um. I'm gonna take the stab early, and

645
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: then I'm going to probably push a little bit more

646
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,280
Speaker 1: here and there in October when the when the conditions

647
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: are I think the one thing like, I've started hunting

648
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: a little bit more in mid October than I used

649
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: to for a while early on there UM, but was

650
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: pretty careful. Again we you know the story listeners in

651
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: the story of this particular property small a lot of fields.

652
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: I just can't get into too much of the betting areas.

653
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: But there's a couple of spots that I think I

654
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: can push in a little further than I used to.

655
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 1: It might just be thirty yards further in forty yards

656
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 1: further in UM, but I started to get a little

657
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: more confidence in my ability to do that without spooking him.

658
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: I've confirmed one or two other spots that I'm pretty

659
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 1: sure there are bucks betted um deeper in the core

660
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: of one of these locations where I was worried that

661
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: want to be some of them might be a little

662
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: bit closer to the edge that would keep me from

663
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 1: getting there safely. I think with some scouting I did

664
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 1: this winter, I found two buck beds that would very

665
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: well be his on occasion, um that are on the

666
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 1: property can hunt. I know he spends a lot of

667
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: time in the neighbors, but he must be on mind

668
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: some of the time. And I think I found one

669
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: of those spots. Possibly, um so I might take a

670
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: stab in there, and I don't know. I'm I'm a

671
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,760
Speaker 1: little less paranoid than I used to be about taking

672
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: a swing, you know, a couple of times in October

673
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: like that and go for it and may blow it up.

674
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 1: But I think I've been coming back to both what

675
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: I've seen and a lot of other people tell you

676
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: is that these mature bucks, they get big and mature

677
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 1: for a reason. They found a spot they feel safe.

678
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 1: If you don't bug him over and over and over,

679
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: you know, you can get away with maybe one of

680
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: those aggressive moves every once in a while. So right,

681
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's a pretty vague way of describing it,

682
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 1: because I'm still on shore. I don't have like a

683
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: annual pattern that is going to be like, oh, definitely

684
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: gotta do that. You know, in two thousand eighteen, I

685
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 1: got daily activity of him, and in October I think,

686
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: like this fourteen there was a cold front the hit.

687
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: So I tried going and back in around that time

688
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: period this year, didn't see him, didn't get a daily

689
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: pictures of him or anything. Um, so there's not anything

690
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: that's super solid like that. I'm gonna be working on.

691
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: It's gonna be more so make some adjustments in the fly,

692
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: be more mobile. I'm not adding any more permanent sets anymore.

693
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna run and go in my saddle. Uh,

694
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: just trying to get more quiet, more efficient with that

695
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: so I can move in and out and just kind

696
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,439
Speaker 1: of get better and all those little things. That's another

697
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: thing I'm trying to improve on this year. But um,

698
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: what about his routine compared to what holy Field was doing?

699
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 1: Any similarities? Very similar, very similar. Yeah, There's there's this

700
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: neighboring property that his is tough to get into for

701
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: the person that hunts over there, and this section that

702
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,720
Speaker 1: they get into just like lots and lots of thick brush.

703
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 1: It's there's always a good buck the beds in there.

704
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 1: And so it was holy Field for a number of years.

705
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: And I could see him in there because from my

706
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: seat I could see into that stuff. But I just

707
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: can't hunt it. And so holy Field kind of come

708
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: in and out of that, and every once in a

709
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: while he'd bumped over into my stuff. Every once in a

710
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 1: a while he'd come passed through a bedding ear that

711
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 1: is on my stuff. And once holy Field disappeared that

712
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: you know that very next year, Tran was there, and

713
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 1: now last year and the year before basically doing the

714
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: same thing. So I've seen him kind of moving it out,

715
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 1: and you know the times. It's interesting. The closest I

716
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: ever came. Let me think about this. I passed on

717
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: holy Field once and that was the very closest I

718
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: could have come to shoot h him, I guess. But

719
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: the second closest. Let me make sure I don't have

720
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: this stuff wrong. With a bow, I was closer to

721
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: holy Field with a bow. Well you know the story.

722
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: This is the time that was. It was the rout.

723
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: It was midday and I was on your phone, was

724
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: reading a book on my phone because I was bored,

725
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: and then I hear a snap and I turned around

726
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: holy Field standing it is behind me, so from that

727
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: exact same tree, so that I could have killed holy

728
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 1: Field from that tree if I was paying attention, from

729
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: that exact same tree as the closest I came to

730
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: Tran as well in the rut. Tran was with a

731
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 1: dough in this little thicket right next to that tree.

732
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 1: And I couldn't get a shot at him. Um. So,

733
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 1: so i'm I'm I'm identifying a couple of these weak

734
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: spots where they're gonna come in every once a while

735
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: during the rut. But there's no like clear cut he's

736
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: going to come from that bending here and come in

737
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 1: to mind every other day or once a week or

738
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 1: every night or something like that. It's it's much more random,

739
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 1: but it's I know they're gonna they're gonna bump over

740
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 1: every once in a while. But despite all my studying,

741
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: despite all my long distance observation, I've yet to be

742
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,240
Speaker 1: able to pin it down to you know, I guarantee

743
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: the're gonna come out this way. I think that that's

744
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: gonna happen for sure. So it's more so of how

745
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 1: do you get into those weak spots enough times without

746
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: blowing things up so that the one out of four

747
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: times that he comes through, you're there and you have

748
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: him stuff. Yeah, Um, I don't know. It's kind of

749
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: a weird spot to hunt. I'm putting more of my

750
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: eggs in the basket during the rut there, I think

751
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: than I used to because like last year, you know

752
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 1: we talked about I passed on several really nice bucks

753
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: back in those betting ears. Like I figured out the

754
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: rut there. Now you hunt these back betting ears that

755
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: are hard to get to, but you just get in

756
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: there super early and stay all day, and these bucks

757
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: are going to check those. Um. So if if I

758
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: can make it to that, you know, early November, and

759
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 1: I still haven't killed him, that's a pretty good way.

760
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 1: If I put in my time, they're gonna come cruising

761
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: through there. Um I could have killed that big ten

762
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: pointer a couple of times. It could have killed a

763
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 1: big nine back there a couple of times last year.

764
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 1: So I don't know. It's a limiting little spot, but

765
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: there's opportunities. So we'll see. I'm sure it'll be more

766
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: of the same frustrating stories. I saw him, couldn't get

767
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: a shot. I saw him, couldn't get a shot, And

768
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 1: we'll talk about it for three months and then be

769
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,919
Speaker 1: stuck talking about the same deer for five years. Yeah.

770
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: And I think the cool thing is is I'm I'm

771
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: doing something similar right have like two tree stands right

772
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,240
Speaker 1: now pre hung, and I think that's the only only

773
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: pre hanging I'm gonna do. Excuse me three And I say,

774
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: I say too, because one is not gonna be where

775
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: I hunt probably this year. If I'll tell you this,

776
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:21,760
Speaker 1: if Gnarly is alive, I probably won't even hunt that stand.

777
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: But if he is alive, I have to. One is

778
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:31,240
Speaker 1: already up in a bedding area. I cannot wait to

779
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: get in there for the first time. There was a

780
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: mature buck in there the first time I went in

781
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: and hunted it, and then and then I have a

782
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: pinch point stand set up. But other than that, it's

783
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: gonna be different tree every day. I just know it.

784
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 1: Trying to find out where this guy's coming in and out.

785
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: And uh, I just I hope at all. I hope.

786
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,919
Speaker 1: I hope all the data stays true and I can

787
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: continue to you know, and I and I have these encounters,

788
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: because what was it, no encounters with him the first

789
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: two years, for the first three years. Last this year,

790
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: excuse me, for first two years this year had encounter.

791
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: He's on he was on like this little spur ridge

792
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: when I saw him. And so I'm gonna be over

793
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 1: there more this year on specific wins, and Uh, that's

794
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: the goal, man, is just to keep tightening the news. Now,

795
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: it's a lot of fun. I love like having the spot,

796
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 1: you know, and a buck you know, and you're rumaging

797
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: through all the dead and tightening the news and trying

798
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: to figure it all out. But the other thing that's

799
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: a lot of fun is trying to find out and

800
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 1: learn a brand new area. Uh. And I saw you

801
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: were doing a bunch of scouting in public Land recently,

802
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: talking about rubber bottom stuff and trying to figure out

803
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 1: this new zone. What was the story over there? Well, um,

804
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: it was awesome. I mean I love getting out there

805
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: and scouting. I loved putting in the work. But right

806
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 1: now it's underwater. So you know, how optimistic am I

807
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,720
Speaker 1: that this area is going to recover? You know closer

808
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 1: to October is gonna be interesting. But I went back there,

809
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: I did some scouting, and I had a bit of

810
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 1: a dilemma. Right. I get out there and I'm on

811
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:23,919
Speaker 1: I am on uh public ground, and I'm way back

812
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: in there. I mean I'm like two miles back from

813
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 1: the parking lot, and you know, I'm I'm finding all

814
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: this great sign, finding these trails where it's like high

815
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: ground in between two marshes, right, these these little bottlenecks,

816
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:42,399
Speaker 1: marketing my spot, following the river and just doing all

817
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: this awesome scouting. And then I come up against some tree.

818
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: I find some tree stands, which it's illegal, and Iowa

819
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: to have tree stands on public all year round, right,

820
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: you have you can only put them up like five

821
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: or seven days before the season starts, and you can

822
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: you have to have them down I think thirty days

823
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: after for the season's over or something like that, which

824
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna wrap that out right, I'm not gonna

825
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:10,399
Speaker 1: go and and turn that in. You know, I guess

826
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 1: I'm not that guy. But the guy, the guy that

827
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: had since planted a food plot. So he's he's coming

828
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: back this far on the boat he is, that's how

829
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: he's accessing this tree stand, and he's got a trail

830
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: camera there and he's got a food plot. Now on

831
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: public land. This person planted a food plot. And you're

832
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: sure this is public land? No, sure it's public land.

833
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: And I said, okay, I'm just gonna keep walking, not

834
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: gonna bother with this. But it just kept stewing in

835
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: my head, like this dude came in and he planted

836
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:54,720
Speaker 1: a food plot on public land. Like, I can't do that, dude,

837
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: right guaranteed if this guy is crazy enough about white

838
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: tip else to take a boat into this public land,

839
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: to have a trail camera running this summer and to

840
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 1: have a food plot to publicly or to plant a

841
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: food plant in public land. You know, he listens to

842
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: this podcast. Yeah, so he's listening right now. So what

843
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 1: do you want to tell him? Well, uh, don't cheat, sorry, dude,

844
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 1: don't Yeah, don't cheat. And so I had this dilemma, right,

845
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: I was like, should I turn this guy in? And

846
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 1: I posted a questionnaire on Instagram, you know, or a pole,

847
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: you know, should I turn him in? Should I turn

848
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: him in? Seventy people said I should turn him in

849
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: and said I should just ignore it. And there was

850
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: like six hundred people who did that. So whatever, whatever

851
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 1: those numbers are. You know, sevent thought I should turn

852
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: it in. The other seventy or the other said I

853
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: should just ignore it and keep walking. Here's the other.

854
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,399
Speaker 1: Here's the other alternative, Dan, Yeah, just hunt the ship

855
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: out of it. Yeah yeah, and that's and well hey,

856
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: and that's the thing, like so yeah, so that's so

857
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 1: I go. I don't have a boat, though, so I

858
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,720
Speaker 1: can't access that the same way that he is. However,

859
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: so I I go to I go to the dn

860
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: R and I eventually point out a map. I said,

861
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 1: there is a food plot right here. They don't they

862
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: don't like spray it. They're not gonna go and spray it.

863
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 1: And I said, so, is that like area legal to

864
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: hunt now or do I do I have to stay

865
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 1: away from that? And he never, he didn't really give

866
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 1: me an answer. So I'm gonna follow up. Well, right now,

867
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,439
Speaker 1: it's all underwater. It will all die. It's gonna die,

868
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 1: So it's not a big deal. I mean, it's all

869
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: just so I I hunt the All this public land

870
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: is basically high water runoff area. So when they like

871
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: right now, they'll raise the damn so there could be

872
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: more boating traffic for the holiday weekends. And then after

873
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: that they'll lower it down a little bit and so

874
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: then that water should recede. But I don't know, man,

875
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 1: I just felt, you know, I felt like a rat.

876
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, I don't give

877
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: a ship. So hey, man, I get it. I totally

878
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: get it. It's frustrating when you see people abuse the

879
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: You know, now that's a kind of weird thing because

880
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: you could someone could say he's trying to improve it,

881
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: but he's improving it like a selfish way. Yeah, I

882
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 1: mean it was. It was a setup. It wasn't like

883
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: a plot. And in on this public land, the d

884
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: n R plants food for these deers. So there's corn fields,

885
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: there's bean fields, there's alfalpha fields. I mean they these

886
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:53,879
Speaker 1: these deer have enough to eat. So I probably would

887
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: have walked right by if I didn't stop and see

888
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: this guy's tree stand. I mean it was this luscious

889
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 1: clover plot about half an acre of it just right,

890
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: maybe a little smaller than half acre. So here's the question.

891
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 1: Was it a good setup? Like did he set up

892
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: on a well did you think about wind? And it

893
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 1: sounds like decent access it was taking the boat. But

894
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 1: was it approved? Is it Dan Johnson approved as far

895
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 1: as far as a smart set, Well, I mean it

896
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,280
Speaker 1: would let's let's just say what he did was legal.

897
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 1: I would I would have given it a shot on

898
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: a northwest wind that he set up kind of right

899
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: on the curve of the river, so his wind would

900
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,959
Speaker 1: have been blowing right into the river and following it down,

901
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: so it would have turned out you know, it would

902
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 1: have turned out internet Like I don't know, dear. There

903
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 1: was a heavy trail near it. I mean it was

904
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: it was a decent spot and with that clover there,

905
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 1: I can just see it's sucking deer in man. Yeah.

906
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 1: He he probably listens to nine Finger chronicles too. Yeah,

907
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: he had this whole plan in place. I'm gonna get

908
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: my house burnt down now or graffiti rat uh huh um.

909
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: I love that river bottom stuff though. It's that is

910
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: an awesome country. Yeah, that's where I cut my teeth

911
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 1: on on hunting. Man. Everything I did back in the

912
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 1: day was river bottom ground learning how to hunt. Uh,

913
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:23,800
Speaker 1: not necessarily river bottom, but you know like riverse system,

914
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: creec system, flat land. Uh been between the egg and

915
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: in the waterway and that's where that's that's where I

916
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: did a lot of my hunting growing up until I

917
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 1: started moving up into the eggs and the finger. But

918
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 1: you know, that's where I cut my teeth turkey hunting,

919
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 1: That's where I cut my teeth deer hunting and uh,

920
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,359
Speaker 1: being able to go back and scout this public land

921
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 1: and put a little bit of effort into it. Uh,

922
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 1: it was really fun. I believe that I wanted to

923
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 1: go do some of that stuff. The other day, I've

924
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: got an Idaho white Tail tag here, and I've found

925
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 1: a bunch of public land on on X and I

926
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 1: went and did my first year drive out here and

927
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: had my heart broken. Just like everything that looked possible

928
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 1: on the map ended up being inaccessible or just way

929
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: less appealing than I thought I was going to look,

930
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: I saw almost no dear. There was not a single

931
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 1: spot I went to that I circled as a spot

932
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: I would come back to an hunt. Um. So I'm

933
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 1: I'm right now without a single plan for my Idaho

934
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 1: tag right now. And you didn't You didn't get a

935
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 1: montage in a tag this year? Yeah, I didn't draw,

936
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:41,919
Speaker 1: That's correct, Okay, So yeah, some brand new state, brand

937
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: new area have no real intel at all other than

938
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 1: a few little Oh yeah, there's white tails out there, um,

939
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:51,280
Speaker 1: and a couple of pictures of people that have shot

940
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 1: some that kind of prove it. So over these next

941
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: few weeks, I've got to do some serious driving. Um.

942
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: There's an area about an hour hour and a half

943
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 1: from where I'm at that's supposed to be pretty good

944
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: where it seems to be a lot of public land. Um,

945
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 1: but that's you know, it's kind of hike. I would

946
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: have been nicer to have a place close to where

947
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 1: I am, but a little disappointed by that we're speaking of.

948
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't mean what we haven't We

949
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: haven't really talked about this. But I did a thing, Dan, Um.

950
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:22,959
Speaker 1: I did a thing which is why I'm hunting white

951
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: tails in Idaho, which is we had to upgrade from

952
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 1: a camper. We couldn't do the whole sleeping in a

953
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:35,439
Speaker 1: tent camper with two kids and two dogs. Um, So

954
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: I bought a little cabin in Idaho. Nice. So yeah,

955
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 1: we've got like a permanent base of operations out here now.

956
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:47,439
Speaker 1: Um So yeah, that's why I'm gonna try to figure

957
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: out this idahole white tail thing, because it would be

958
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 1: really nice to have something close to we're at here. Um,

959
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: I got an Elk tex. I'm gonna try to explore

960
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,839
Speaker 1: what the Elk opportunities are here. But if the white

961
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 1: tail thing doesn't pan out, I'm selling this piece of

962
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 1: ship real fast. I thought you would be uh buying

963
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: something in Montana. Well, I mean, for a long time

964
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 1: we were trying. I've been gosh, probably I don't know,

965
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: three four years now. We've been looking, looking and looking

966
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 1: and looking. That the trick is that we need something

967
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: really cheap because I, you know, we have to we

968
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: have our house in Michigan. So I needed something that

969
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:32,479
Speaker 1: was affordable but also would be big enough to fit

970
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 1: the family. And the biggest thing for me was I

971
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: wanted like good acts. If I was going to buy

972
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:38,760
Speaker 1: a place out here, I didn't want to be in town.

973
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: I didn't want to be surrounded by people. Like the

974
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 1: reason why I come out here is because I like

975
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: to be away from people. So for years we were

976
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 1: looking at things and it was never, you know, it

977
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: was never the right fit. Was that either too expensive

978
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,240
Speaker 1: or just wasn't what we wanted. Um. So I figured

979
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 1: there's no rush, might as will just wait, um until

980
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: the right thing comes along. And then this past year

981
00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 1: we decided, well, maybe we need to expand our search

982
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 1: outside of the Bozeman, Montana area that we're looking because

983
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: that's just like crazy crazy expensive, like little tiny things

984
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 1: are just tons of money, um. And I wasn't gonna

985
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 1: buy a tiny, like a tiny tiny thing there that

986
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 1: costs like four times more than my full size house

987
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: in Michigan. Um So we thought, all right, well, let's

988
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 1: expand the radius and look at a couple of the

989
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 1: other areas in that like Montana, Wyoming, Idaho zone we

990
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: usually go to. And um, long story short, found a

991
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: little place that's right on the edge of the National

992
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 1: Forest that's less than two and a half miles from

993
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:39,879
Speaker 1: four different really great trout rivers. Um, I can walk

994
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: to the public land. I can. You know? I could

995
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 1: walk forty five miles straight without hitting a paved road

996
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:49,280
Speaker 1: and end up in a national park if I wanted. Um,

997
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: so super cool from all that kind of stuff we

998
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 1: like to do out here. So decided take the leap.

999
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 1: I've been saving up for a lot of years to

1000
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: try to do something like this someday and finally found

1001
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: something that wasn't going to uh you know, what's gonna

1002
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: allow us to do with the things we want to do.

1003
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 1: So so it's crazy, that's a that's awesome. Well, I'm

1004
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: glad your wildest dreams have come true. Mark Kenyon, I

1005
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 1: appreciate that, Danum. I've been dreaming of poopy diapers and

1006
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: sitting in my truck and all these things that the

1007
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:22,320
Speaker 1: much less glamorous reality of it. But yeah, it's cool,

1008
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: it's got It's interesting though, because there's there's just there's

1009
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: a little like living space like your kitchen living area,

1010
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: and then there's one single bedroom and so the bedroom

1011
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,320
Speaker 1: is where we're putting our son and then once Colton

1012
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 1: is old enough to put both of them in there.

1013
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:36,439
Speaker 1: But that means my wife and I have to sleep

1014
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: in the living room. And we ordered a couch, like

1015
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: a pull out couch that you could turn into a bed,

1016
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, after we place the order and you

1017
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 1: can't cancel the order. It gave us like a back

1018
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 1: order notification. So we're not getting it for well, we've

1019
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:52,479
Speaker 1: been out here for a month now, we're not gonna

1020
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 1: get it for another couple of weeks. So we've been

1021
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: sleeping on the previous owners two couches for the last

1022
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,919
Speaker 1: four weeks. Uh, way too to get a pull out bed.

1023
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, you know, you make it work, right, Yeah,

1024
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 1: you can make anything work, man, You can make anything work.

1025
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 1: So wait, okay, So whitetail Idaho elk Idaho right, whitetail Michigan.

1026
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 1: And did you get Iowa this year or not? No? No,

1027
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,760
Speaker 1: just no Iowa just because there's so much back forty

1028
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 1: stuff that I've got to be around for I just

1029
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 1: wouldn't be get enough time. I think I'm gonna try

1030
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: to do a little mid October John, maybe the Nebraska

1031
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 1: I still kind of up in the air and that,

1032
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: but possibly public land hunt somewhere in mid October, and

1033
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 1: then um, you know, for I don't know how long

1034
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,439
Speaker 1: I've been talking about wanting to do this December track

1035
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 1: a buck down the snow hunt. I've made no progress

1036
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 1: on planning that yet, but I still want to try

1037
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:48,800
Speaker 1: to do it. So if you want to come on

1038
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 1: to New York or Maine in early December, let me know. Yeah, man,

1039
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 1: I've interviewed, uh some people from Maine and New York

1040
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: and Vermont, and uh, I think I'll just stick with Michigan.

1041
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 1: Doesn't that sound cool? Though? Yeah? I mean, yes, that

1042
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:11,919
Speaker 1: sounds that sounds awesome. But uh, I don't know. It's

1043
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 1: not Iowa, I know, I mean, I why don't I

1044
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 1: do it? And why don't you do it in like

1045
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 1: North Dakota or yes, or there's cool things out there. Yeah,

1046
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it's just like it's this is

1047
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: the cultural thing. You go out there. It's like the

1048
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: big woods, lots of snow, follow a big track for

1049
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 1: five miles Comorial hillside. There he is. He's got a

1050
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: dusting of snow on his back. His nose is big

1051
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 1: and broad, and you know that that Roman knows. And

1052
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 1: he's got like three little nubbins on each antler. Buddy's

1053
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 1: a big bodied buck. And that's the hunt I want

1054
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 1: right right. I can't get muled. You're out of my

1055
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 1: head right now, dude. I'm so jacked about this upcoming hunt.

1056
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,439
Speaker 1: I mean, we we figured it out the first year,

1057
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 1: and if if it's as half as crazy as it

1058
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 1: was last year, man, we're in business again. So all

1059
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 1: I've been doing is is just tweaking my gear my

1060
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 1: gear list. I got some new packs, I got um

1061
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 1: uh some more you know, some different equipment. I need

1062
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 1: to buy a new pair of boots, uh, a new

1063
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: water filter. So I'm looking at all that stuff right now,

1064
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 1: and then I'm still like in the process of planning out.

1065
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:32,959
Speaker 1: I'm thinking that far ahead. Man, So were I met

1066
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 1: my bad? Um? Are you giving enough mental time to

1067
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:43,439
Speaker 1: Michigan in Yeah? Uh, I'm I'm i gotta come right.

1068
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 1: That's not the kind of excitement. I was looking for it. Well,

1069
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 1: the shitty thing about this is is that we have

1070
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 1: got We've gotten this survey back from the school that says,

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00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: you know, here are three options. What is your comfort

1072
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 1: level with COVID, you know, with COVID nineteen and you

1073
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: know how you you know feel that you know your kids,

1074
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 1: you know do you feel so? Me personally, I am

1075
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 1: okay with my kids going back to school full time,

1076
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 1: writing the bus, going back amongst their regularly scheduled programming, right,

1077
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 1: But the others, the other uh options were like fifty fifty,

1078
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 1: Like your kid goes back a couple of days a week,

1079
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 1: and then it's on a rotation, so a day off,

1080
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 1: a day on, day off day on whatever, and then

1081
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 1: they and then the other days you would be the

1082
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 1: parent would be required to run through the curriculum with

1083
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 1: them at home. I'm just like, are you kidding me?

1084
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 1: I'm number one, I have no patience. Number two, I'm

1085
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 1: not a teacher and I'm busy, right, I have other

1086
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 1: kids too, Like I got my youngest kid to take

1087
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 1: care of, So while I'm doing that, I'm gonna have

1088
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: to put him in front of cartoons or feed him

1089
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 1: just so he's quiet. And then the other option is

1090
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 1: full time at home curriculum to start the year out with.

1091
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 1: And I just I just hope that they bring the

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01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 1: kids back to school full time or I'm in trouble,

1093
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 1: like me and the wife are are gonna, like from

1094
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 1: a from a job standpoint in the time we need

1095
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 1: to give to the jobs we're gonna be, We're gonna

1096
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 1: kind of be in trouble. So okay, yeah, I hear you.

1097
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 1: But let's look at the silver lining here. Okay, what

1098
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 1: there's like eleven million white tailed deer hunters in the country,

1099
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 1: give or take Somewhere in that ballpark, there are something

1100
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 1: like three hundred and what does million total people in

1101
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 1: the country or something like that. All right, and how

1102
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 1: many what percentage of that three million do you think

1103
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 1: our parents I'm gonna say, I don't know, or something

1104
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 1: like that. Maybe, So you're looking over a hud million

1105
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 1: parents out there. That's the target audience for the new

1106
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 1: version of nine Finger Chronicles, which is all about training

1107
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 1: your kids at home. It's all about teaching your kids

1108
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 1: at home. So you've got a much bigger pool of

1109
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 1: potential audience members. Then you're eleven million deer hunters like

1110
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 1: I do. Just pivot, Just pivot, man, straight pivot, quit talking,

1111
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 1: Quit talking about deer, and start talking about how much

1112
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 1: of a shitty father. I. Yes, that's exactly what I'm recommending,

1113
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 1: you know, from one friend to another. Try it. Trust Okay,

1114
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 1: I'll do it. Let me just talk to my sponsors

1115
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 1: and ask them first, Hey, hey, uh you care if

1116
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 1: I stopped talking about deer hunting? And hey, this uh

1117
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 1: you know, I just want to say, my name is

1118
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 1: Dan Johnson. This is the Nine Finger Chronicles, brought to

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01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 1: you by Lone Wolf Tree Stands. And on this episode,

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01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about what you can do to keep

1121
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 1: your child occupied while you're teaching the other child. But first,

1122
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 1: I just don't I don't see that flow. That flow.

1123
01:01:56,280 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 1: But first, in advertisement from Gerber Baby Foods, I'm telling you,

1124
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: is that opportunity? Um? I think. On that note, it's

1125
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 1: time for our next segment. Dan, what's the next segment?

1126
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 1: Mark call further and Cefo answer, we're doing that again?

1127
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 1: Why not? Let's do it? Uh? That will be very

1128
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 1: disappointed if he doesn't pick up, because it's such a

1129
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 1: great surprise last time when he did. Um, So I

1130
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 1: said question to ask him, yeah, in in second questions.

1131
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 1: If he doesn't answer, we can leave a voicemail. Still, Yeah,

1132
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 1: what county does he live in in Michigan? Do you know?

1133
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if I should say that publicly or not.

1134
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. Honestly, I'm not quite sure. Um, well,

1135
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 1: I'll leave him a message east side, east side of

1136
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 1: Michigan or whatever. You don't. I don't need the I

1137
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 1: don't need the county. I don't need the county. Yeah,

1138
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 1: it sounds like some kind of authoritative figure. He's in trouble.

1139
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe it's Michigan I R S. Maybe it's the

1140
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 1: I R S. Just federal government. Could be taxes. I

1141
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 1: don't know. Let's calm sea violations. That's all possible. Let's see.

1142
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 1: Let's see what happens here. This is the thing. This

1143
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 1: is the thing. Now, let's it's absolutely thing. Is it working?

1144
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 1: I can't hear it ring? All right? Hold on? How

1145
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 1: cool would it be to have a podcast where all

1146
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 1: we do is prank call further it's a spinoff that

1147
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 1: would probably be a lot more successful than this one.

1148
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 1: He already hates you, you you know that? Right? Oh god?

1149
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 1: All right? I don't know why I can't get this

1150
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 1: to work, but hang with me here here we go,

1151
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 1: all right? Add are you still there doing? I'm still here?

1152
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:55,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's downing again? Josh you there? Hello? Hello? Hello?

1153
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:58,720
Speaker 1: I don't see anything on my end. Oh it's saying

1154
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 1: two of three in the call, so it looks like

1155
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 1: it's ringing, but it's not. He hasn't added. He just

1156
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 1: texted me and said he's on the phone. What an ass?

1157
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 1: All right, let's old. We got one alternative. You're still

1158
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 1: This is the part where if you got to go

1159
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 1: take a pooper pe, then you go do it and

1160
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 1: then get comeback. Alright, I got one more opportunity here.

1161
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 1: We're gonna go with the phone number and stuff Skype

1162
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 1: and he may be on the phone, but we can

1163
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 1: still leave a voicemail to annoy him. Yeah, I know,

1164
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 1: I love how Okay? Since this is Skype, is it

1165
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 1: gonna show up as unavailable? I'm not sure about that

1166
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 1: type of truth. You know they say in broadcasting dead

1167
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:54,480
Speaker 1: air isn't good? Mark this is this is this isn't audio? Now, dude,

1168
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 1: I I guarantee you you marked this time down on

1169
01:04:57,240 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 1: your podcast director with the you d M A can't

1170
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 1: unable to take your call at the moment. Please leave

1171
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 1: a message with your name and number, and I'll be

1172
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 1: sure to return your call as soon as possible. Thank

1173
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:11,480
Speaker 1: you and have a good day at the tel and

1174
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 1: please record your message. When you finished recording, you may

1175
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 1: hang up or press one for more options. Yeah. Mr Hilliard,

1176
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:24,600
Speaker 1: this is Officer Randall with the Michigan Department and Natural Resources,

1177
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 1: and we have a couple of questions we need to

1178
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 1: ask you about where you were at and what you

1179
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 1: were doing June nineteen. Excuse me, go ahead and give

1180
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:42,919
Speaker 1: us a call at you know the number. Uh, call

1181
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 1: me back. That's dumb. That was dumb. I know I

1182
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 1: could have done better. I could have done better. Should

1183
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 1: we just call him until I get it right? He

1184
01:05:56,640 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 1: has nine voicemails right right? Oh? Man, I think I

1185
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 1: think it's probably Um. I I think that's a good

1186
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:11,360
Speaker 1: spot to wrap it up, Dan, unless you've got any

1187
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 1: other big summer updates. No, man, I'm just slowly getting jacked.

1188
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 1: I'm slowly getting jacked for October the Mule to ear Hunt,

1189
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 1: the Michigan Hunt in Iowa. Um. Yeah, I've been baking

1190
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 1: those brownies, getting the brownie points it's good. So what

1191
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:31,920
Speaker 1: you gotta do this time of year, I'm right there

1192
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 1: with you, although I've been getting trouble for fishing too much,

1193
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 1: so these these distractions sometimes they're throwing me off the game.

1194
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 1: But yeah, man, let's let's circle back up in a

1195
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:44,800
Speaker 1: few weeks to talk more about some of the parenting

1196
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 1: lessons we've we've gained over the last couple of years,

1197
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:50,600
Speaker 1: because since that one, I think when we recorded that one,

1198
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:56,440
Speaker 1: was Knox born yet or was he just about to be.

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01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I think it depends on when it

1200
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 1: was launched or when we recorded it, but I think

1201
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 1: it was just Macineva, and if it was, he was

1202
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 1: too young to do anything with anyway. So lots to

1203
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 1: learn since then. Three kids for you, two kids for me,

1204
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:15,720
Speaker 1: and uh maybe we'll call further back in for that

1205
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 1: one too. He's got a kid on now and he's

1206
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:18,960
Speaker 1: got a thing or two. Maybe he's learned over the

1207
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 1: last few years. So alright, buddy, good stuff. I can't

1208
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:24,160
Speaker 1: wait to see what the trail camera poll shows you

1209
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:28,360
Speaker 1: here soon. Keep keep me posted, all right, man, talk

1210
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:31,479
Speaker 1: to you later. Let's see you alright, And that's gonna

1211
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:33,560
Speaker 1: do it for us. Today Thanks for tuning in. This

1212
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 1: is a little change of pace. The last handful of

1213
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:38,040
Speaker 1: weeks have been pretty serious strategy. Today it was a

1214
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:42,040
Speaker 1: little bit more of just kicking back, laughing, telling some stories,

1215
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 1: and kind of getting you guys up to speed on

1216
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:46,760
Speaker 1: how Dan and I are progressing towards the season. So

1217
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 1: hopefully you still enjoyed this one. We'll be back with

1218
01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 1: some serious how two's coming up soon, and until then,

1219
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 1: thank you so much for listening, and stay wired to hunt.