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Speaker 1: David Hellman. Good morning, Good morning, Good morning. It is guys.
Speaker 1: It's all of a sudden starting to feel a lot
Speaker 1: more normal around here in January. News flying about coaching hires,
Speaker 1: which I was shocked that we got to this stage
Speaker 1: of January without more news on that front. Looks like
Speaker 1: the Broncos and Bears are filling their job openings. Sounds
Speaker 1: like that's going to have an impact on the Cowboys
Speaker 1: coaching staff, which is amazing timing because it's time to
Speaker 1: talk Senior Bowl. How y'all doing this morning? I'm doing awesome. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're it. All it takes is one domino to fall,
Speaker 1: you know. All it takes is that one and once
Speaker 1: to Denver one. I mean, there's talk about what Jacksonville
Speaker 1: is gonna do, and but with Byron Leflige, though, you're
Speaker 1: looking at a situation where he's looking to bring personnel guys.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of a hold up over there. But
Speaker 1: when you get one, then all of a sudden, the
Speaker 1: other ones start to fall. I think the thing is
Speaker 1: you had some new general managers that need to get
Speaker 1: up to speed, and I think that slowed things up
Speaker 1: a little bit. So and you know, there's there's reports
Speaker 1: out there that dan Quinn might be staying with the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: I don't want to get too deep into that until
Speaker 1: we've had a chance to work on it a little
Speaker 1: bit more. But I think what a journalist you are, hey,
Speaker 1: I mean I don't I don't want to sit here
Speaker 1: and go with stuff that we're reading one face if
Speaker 1: in the internet, if anybody knows his stuff, it probably
Speaker 1: Tom Pellicero. I just don't want to jump the gun.
Speaker 1: But I just I do think it's interesting because Brian,
Speaker 1: you know, like we're going to get into talking about
Speaker 1: these players. Well, I thought dan Quinn had the Denver job.
Speaker 1: I don't know much. You know what happens at places
Speaker 1: like Mobile, Yeah, and so I mean this is an
Speaker 1: interesting time of year. How does how could that potentially change?
Speaker 1: Things for the Cowboys, and again, we don't even know
Speaker 1: if they're going to go to Mobile. Yeah, but when
Speaker 1: you talk about guys hiring and changing jobs and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, how does that affect the beginning of this
Speaker 1: draft process as teams get ready to go down to Mobile. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's there's two things you can do in Mobile you
Speaker 1: can take advantage of. If you're a head coach that's
Speaker 1: looking for staff, you get inundated. You know, you always
Speaker 1: there's always guys that are kind of scouting. You're out.
Speaker 1: If you're a team that has openings at running back,
Speaker 1: offensive line, quarterback, whatever, maybe some new coaches are going
Speaker 1: to get opportunities to Mattie Refluse guys like that to
Speaker 1: go down there. It might be a bad situation. You
Speaker 1: might not want to go because you have everybody looking
Speaker 1: for a job and wanting to talk to you, and
Speaker 1: then you can't evaluate while you're down there is evaluate
Speaker 1: the players. So to me, it's really a kind of
Speaker 1: a twofold. You're there to look at the players, But
Speaker 1: maybe you do take the opportunity to set up a
Speaker 1: couple of interviews off campus with guys if you have
Speaker 1: some positions, say, for example, if the Cowboys moved on
Speaker 1: from Joe Philbin as an offensive line coach, and they
Speaker 1: went down there trying to will that into a second.
Speaker 1: As I say, I'm just giving you an example of
Speaker 1: something that could happen. Yeah, they were looking for that type.
Speaker 1: They could set up some guys, maybe some guys like
Speaker 1: a Mike Munchak or something like that from Denver. Some
Speaker 1: of these staffs that have openings George Warhop at Jacksonville.
Speaker 1: These are coaches that are out of jobs, that are
Speaker 1: good coaches, and maybe you take the opportunity to after practice, Hey,
Speaker 1: let's meet over here for lunch. We'll do a little
Speaker 1: interview and kind of get a little bit of an
Speaker 1: idea what's going on. Kyle Yeoman's also starting to feel
Speaker 1: a little bit more like January because we got to
Speaker 1: prove to go to Mobile. Very excited about about that.
Speaker 1: We'll miss y'all next week. I do. I miss I
Speaker 1: miss our trips to what's what's the oysterhouse down there?
Speaker 1: This is the ACME win Winsel's acme's in New Orleans
Speaker 1: Rights Act me as in New Orleans Forte. I'm surprised
Speaker 1: you're not going to be in a Winnebago, just driving
Speaker 1: all the way down there. You know, if they let
Speaker 1: me go in to Winnebago, I would I'd absolutely go
Speaker 1: in to Winnebago. If you didn't have feature strength, as
Speaker 1: you know, if you didn't have to modify five hours
Speaker 1: of radio a day, yeah, I'd love to go. I
Speaker 1: love the Senior Bowl. I love the Senior Bowl. I
Speaker 1: love the combine my two favorite places. Fantastic segue into
Speaker 1: all right, so we can talk about dan Quinn. We
Speaker 1: can worry about all that stuff later. But the Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl starts next week practices, we'll have a chance to
Speaker 1: look at some of these guys. What what are your
Speaker 1: early thoughts on this roster? And I looked through it
Speaker 1: last night. No one we were going to talk about it.
Speaker 1: I know this isn't it's not a star studded draft,
Speaker 1: at least it doesn't seem like it to me. But
Speaker 1: for what seems like the six or seventh year in
Speaker 1: a row, like, I mean, all the important quarterbacks are
Speaker 1: gonna be there. What stands out to you from this roster? Well,
Speaker 1: starting with quarterback, six of my top seven quarterbacks are
Speaker 1: in Mobile. I mean, that's that's a pure thing off
Speaker 1: the top I mean, of course early rankings in my regard,
Speaker 1: but six of the top seven. The only one that's
Speaker 1: not in Mobile was Old Missus quarterback who tours ACL
Speaker 1: in the Sugar Bowl, and Matt Correll. So there are
Speaker 1: so many talented players. And it's not just quarterback, running backs,
Speaker 1: wide receivers. There's a lot of really good wide receivers.
Speaker 1: Pretty Much every good senior outside of maybe Chris Olave
Speaker 1: from Ohio State who you mentioned in the first show,
Speaker 1: is going to be there. Tight end. There are eight
Speaker 1: really good tight ends that are going to be a
Speaker 1: part of the festivities down in Mobile. And usually you
Speaker 1: see it. Every once in a while, you'll have a
Speaker 1: good position group. Like a couple of years ago, the
Speaker 1: defensive tackles were really solid and Nevill Gallimore was a
Speaker 1: part of that, but Javon kim Law was there. There
Speaker 1: were a bunch of guys in the mix in terms
Speaker 1: of that defensive line that we're really impressive this year.
Speaker 1: Really see it on the offensive side of the football
Speaker 1: and a lot of the really good skills positions that
Speaker 1: are gonna be fun to watch in practice. It's almost
Speaker 1: like a rite of passage to fall in love with
Speaker 1: a receiver or two during Senior Bowl practice. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I counted. I think I counted. Let's see when
Speaker 1: we do this again, that's five, eight to ten, twelve.
Speaker 1: I got twelve second round grades on guys that are
Speaker 1: playing in this game. Wow. So to me, that's and
Speaker 1: my only first round guy. Again, I'm not to the
Speaker 1: point where I've seen a two hundred guys or anything
Speaker 1: like that. But the hundred or the sixty guys I've seen,
Speaker 1: you know, Lloyd the linebacker from Utah would be a
Speaker 1: guy that I'd be very interested. But yeah, when you
Speaker 1: start to talk about defensive ends, there's a couple of
Speaker 1: defensive tackles. Mathis from Alabama. I think as a guy,
Speaker 1: you're going to have to look at Logan Hall from Houston,
Speaker 1: another defensive tackle that's a one in the three right there.
Speaker 1: As far as the techniques, Jermaine Johnson, end, Cam Thomas,
Speaker 1: these defensive ends, you know Sanders, I mean, there are
Speaker 1: some defensive ends this thing it plus these of these guards.
Speaker 1: If you're interested in a guard or a tackle with
Speaker 1: Zion Johnson, you know Kennard we mentioned him as well, Penny,
Speaker 1: you know Falala, how would you say that I mean position,
Speaker 1: he's the Minnesota offensive tackle and so yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: to me, that's where you know you mentioned the tight ends.
Speaker 1: McBride is a kid that I watched at Colorado State
Speaker 1: that I kind of like a little bit. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a it. They've done a really nice job down
Speaker 1: there with the with the roster and how they've put
Speaker 1: that together. That's you're a perfect person to ask. You've
Speaker 1: been involved in the draft process since the early nineties.
Speaker 1: It seems to me like the rosters a lot better
Speaker 1: overall than it used to be. Not not this specific year,
Speaker 1: but even in the time since I started doing this,
Speaker 1: it seems like the Senior Bowl is getting a better
Speaker 1: quality of player to be willing to go. I mean,
Speaker 1: it blew my mind when they got Baker Mayfield up.
Speaker 1: I was shocked by that. Yeah, why do you think
Speaker 1: that showed up? He still they say, got him to go?
Speaker 1: You know, I think that. I think what's happened is
Speaker 1: that you you know, Phil Savage used to run the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, and you know, to me, there was you know,
Speaker 1: Phil didn't have it was like a small committee of guys.
Speaker 1: The Senior Bowl has taken on a whole new different look.
Speaker 1: When it comes to the evaluation. Phil used to really
Speaker 1: rely on like the scouts telling him what guys, and
Speaker 1: then it came down to okay, well, then hey we
Speaker 1: have to you know, we have to extend invitations. I
Speaker 1: think now if you look at the new regime and
Speaker 1: what they've been able to do there and Mobile, is
Speaker 1: that they've done a better job. They have a full
Speaker 1: time really scouting department, They go to all these games,
Speaker 1: they have their own sets of eyes, they have personnel evaluations.
Speaker 1: So not only do you take what's going on with
Speaker 1: from the input you get from general managers and scouts,
Speaker 1: you have your own input and I think that's what's
Speaker 1: made the game so much better. Yeah, and you've also
Speaker 1: had guys that have gone to the Senior Bowl, played,
Speaker 1: got exposure, had success, and it's actually helped their draft stock,
Speaker 1: you know. So I think there's a lot of positivity
Speaker 1: about the Senior Bowl and what is going forward. Really
Speaker 1: good example of what you just talked about. What about
Speaker 1: Mac Jones last year. There is a lot of talk
Speaker 1: about him going early second round, maybe mid second round
Speaker 1: as a quarterback out of Alabama, and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden he goes to Mobile. Matt rule is raving
Speaker 1: about this guy. We spent two months talking about him
Speaker 1: as the number two overall and then again and he
Speaker 1: popped the I know Jeffrey knowing. Oh okay. All of
Speaker 1: that said, though, Cowboys first round pick isn't going to
Speaker 1: be in Mobile more than likely, more than likely. I
Speaker 1: feel like it could be. If it's Yd, it could be,
Speaker 1: if it's Lloyd, could be, well, well, just Penning, what
Speaker 1: are you looking for in these I know you're not
Speaker 1: gonna be able to go I wish you were, but
Speaker 1: what are you looking for in these three practices? I
Speaker 1: what I care about the Senior Bowl Week four is
Speaker 1: the level of competition is consistent and it's really really good.
Speaker 1: And college teams like offenses and defensives, they're all very
Speaker 1: very different. What they ask people to do is very
Speaker 1: very different. At the Senior Bowl you strip all of
Speaker 1: that away and you say, all right, how about you
Speaker 1: versus him? The one on ones are the most fun part, right,
Speaker 1: Like it's let me see can you cover him? Can
Speaker 1: you get open on him? And so like guys who
Speaker 1: take the Georgia guys right, they got Quay Walker, Channing, Tendl,
Speaker 1: DeVante Wyatt like they got a bunch of guys at
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. Their defense was awesome and they had
Speaker 1: so many awesome players. And while I'm studying Nakobe Dean,
Speaker 1: their linebacker, who's going to go in the first round,
Speaker 1: I keep making notes of check who the other linebacker is.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, there's a different one. Check who that linebacker is.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, there's another one. Because Nolan Smith is
Speaker 1: a pass rushing linebacker of their's and like every one
Speaker 1: of them, it's like, man, that dude can absolutely fly
Speaker 1: and that dude can absolutely hit. You get your eyes
Speaker 1: on all these different guys, and I guess back to
Speaker 1: my original point, I'm gonna name one guy, Jalen Petrie.
Speaker 1: He's a safety at Baylor. I have no idea if
Speaker 1: he can cover. No, No, I can't because the dude
Speaker 1: plays the slot for them, and I don't think I've
Speaker 1: seen a snap of man coverage. So like he blitzes,
Speaker 1: he plays to run. He's super aggressive, great instincts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he wants to break everybody in half. I have no
Speaker 1: clue if he can cover and mobile. You'll find out
Speaker 1: because they're gonna make you. Yeah, And so it's just
Speaker 1: a great evaluating tool for guys who you haven't seen
Speaker 1: do certain things to see what do you got. That's
Speaker 1: a really great point. And I mean we'll see some
Speaker 1: linebackers work at edge. Probably we'll see some like Tweeter
Speaker 1: edge guys do some linebacker drills. Well that's you know,
Speaker 1: that's the thing with Jim Nagee and we talk about
Speaker 1: him taking over and he works with these the coaches,
Speaker 1: you know, the Lions and you know what they're you know,
Speaker 1: and the Jets. I mean, he's gonna work with those
Speaker 1: coaches and say, hey, listen, we've got grades on these
Speaker 1: guys play in and coaches the scout will go up
Speaker 1: and ask, hey, could you give this guy some reps
Speaker 1: at defensive ind Like you know the other day, if say,
Speaker 1: if Michael Parsons had gone to the Senior Bowl, that
Speaker 1: maybe Michael Parsons might have been a guy you've seen
Speaker 1: get some reps at rush in and you said, whoa,
Speaker 1: I remember seeing Michael Parsons rush and kind of having
Speaker 1: that in your mind. It's so good for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: that the draft process was so incomplete that year, well
Speaker 1: in that he didn't play an entire That's what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like they you if you had, if you had a
Speaker 1: more complete picture of who Michael Parsons was, where do
Speaker 1: you think he goes top four? It's hard to imagine
Speaker 1: him because you also had to look back at the
Speaker 1: top of that draft, Like, I don't think Atlanta's upset
Speaker 1: about their picks at I don't think since he's upset
Speaker 1: about their pick, they're definitely not. Maybe Sewell and Slater
Speaker 1: would flip flop um. Yeah, but doing that exercise is
Speaker 1: really fun because I thought the same thing, Like, Michael
Speaker 1: Parsons is freaking incredible. Surely he would go in the
Speaker 1: top three, and you're like, wait, no, they'd probably still
Speaker 1: pick a quarterback. Yeah, that pick worked out great, don't work.
Speaker 1: Probably could have taken a linebacker there, don't you think
Speaker 1: if it was Michael Parsons. Kyle Pitts was fantastic, And
Speaker 1: you know, I love Kyle Pitts. But don't you think
Speaker 1: most people would draft a thirteen sack edge rush linebacker
Speaker 1: guy over a tight end? Uh No, you know, I
Speaker 1: never looked at him as a tight end, So that's fair.
Speaker 1: That's kind of what I did. You take Devin White
Speaker 1: over Travis Kelsey. I don't think Devin Whites he's a
Speaker 1: double digit sack guy. That's a good linebacker he had.
Speaker 1: But I think their skill sets are different. Like sure
Speaker 1: Bucks don't use Devin in the way that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: use Micah Parsons. I think the Cowboys had to use
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons because they didn't have a defensive end to rush.
Speaker 1: I asked Dan that. I was like, is it fair
Speaker 1: to say that this sometimes sometimes because nobody was available?
Speaker 1: Sometimes that a necessity. You come up with great ideas.
Speaker 1: You know, what's that? What's that saying? Necessity is the
Speaker 1: mother of invention? Yeah, well, you know, I just think
Speaker 1: they do a really nice job. The Senior Bowl is
Speaker 1: they've We've talked about this. They do a lot better
Speaker 1: job with the evaluation. I think they do a better
Speaker 1: job of the coaches putting him through the drills, the
Speaker 1: one on one stuff. Jeff's talking about that film that
Speaker 1: you watch and the Senior Bowl is invaluable when well,
Speaker 1: remember Ali Moore Pett from Hobart, you know, I mean
Speaker 1: we watched Ali Moore Pett and the Hobart tape. I
Speaker 1: keep bringing it up because of the bounce house and
Speaker 1: the out in the end zone and stuff. But when
Speaker 1: you watched Ali Moorepett played the Senior Bowl, you know,
Speaker 1: like he belonged. Yeah, you know there's there's there are
Speaker 1: players that are going to get opportunities that from these
Speaker 1: small schools that that you your tape is going to
Speaker 1: be a little bit you know, a little bit lacking,
Speaker 1: but Senior Bowl tape might help you. This is I
Speaker 1: went through the roster just because there's always a guy
Speaker 1: Kyle Dugger from Lenoir Ryan as another one safety turning
Speaker 1: turning into a nice player for the Patriots. Got a
Speaker 1: got an offensive lineman from Fordham. Yeah seven blocks of
Speaker 1: granted we Vince Lombardi school. Shout out to Fordham. I
Speaker 1: thought I saw a Gregory. I watched him last night.
Speaker 1: I watched him last night. How do you look like?
Speaker 1: You know what? It's funny. It's he's playing at Cliff
Speaker 1: Harris Stadium there the old Yeah, that's where he was playing. Nice.
Speaker 1: But this guy, I mean, you know you're watching to
Speaker 1: play against Southern Arkansas Henderson State. The guy he looks
Speaker 1: small on tape. He's like a five eleven to a
Speaker 1: one guy. He looks small, and it's funny because everything
Speaker 1: about him looks like that he could be a good player.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a relaxed pedal, he's really quick, he bursts.
Speaker 1: This is what the Senior Bowls for, though, guys like this,
Speaker 1: the Gregory juniors of the world who probably should have
Speaker 1: been maybe a little bit better, but the competition to
Speaker 1: step up. You know, if he goes out there and
Speaker 1: you start to hear him cover and see him in
Speaker 1: the one on one and he doesn't look out a place,
Speaker 1: then you're now, you're now you're even going back and
Speaker 1: you're saying, Okay, I've got to know a little bit
Speaker 1: more about this guy. But I mean, this guy's really
Speaker 1: really a natural player the way he moves. And you know,
Speaker 1: scouts and coaches, we miss players all the time. Kids
Speaker 1: end up at places like that because they fall through
Speaker 1: the cracks, you know. And I'm sure this kid will
Speaker 1: go out there at Mobile and he'll do just fine,
Speaker 1: covering guys from Michigan and Ohio State and wherever else
Speaker 1: he has to cover guys. There's also a Sam Houston
Speaker 1: corner as well. Out there. That's I mean, which fair,
Speaker 1: and I love that, like you give guys an opportunity.
Speaker 1: But we're at the point and I love this. I
Speaker 1: love it about the draft process in football in general,
Speaker 1: Like FCS doesn't even feel like a reach to me anymore.
Speaker 1: You know, like those guys are on a Dayota State,
Speaker 1: I mean absolutely. Jabril Cox is a fantastic example, made
Speaker 1: that jump to LSU playing the offensive tackle we've been
Speaker 1: talking about. Yeah, and so I mean Sam Houston I
Speaker 1: think played in the National title game this year, this year,
Speaker 1: two years ago. Yeah, well or in the spring technically,
Speaker 1: so since the last senior bowlding. Yeah. That that that
Speaker 1: that's a quality program. So Zion McCullum, I see you, buddy,
Speaker 1: I'm ready to watch you. What would you do if
Speaker 1: I told you? Will McClay took over the draft process
Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen. Dever drafted a small school game. We
Speaker 1: can actually we got a questionably Boise that's as small
Speaker 1: as you go. We got a question about that in
Speaker 1: Twitter on those law Tech. They've drafted woods. They've drafted
Speaker 1: eighteen senior Bowl guys in the time Will has been
Speaker 1: running the draft. Yeah, twenty fifteen got a lot of
Speaker 1: good players. Twenty fifteen is the only year that they
Speaker 1: haven't done it, and they've drafted six in the last
Speaker 1: two years. Gallimore, Reggie Robinson, Bradley and i OsO Diggi Zua,
Speaker 1: Chauncey Golston and Jabril Cox. And there's fifteen or twenty
Speaker 1: guys at the Senior Bowl. They're gonna be top sixty picks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just just in my sixty guys. What I say,
Speaker 1: you know, twelve thirteen forty whatever the number I gave
Speaker 1: you though, that's second round twelve and they probably have
Speaker 1: six first rounders. Yeah, I mean I haven't seen it.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen all of the quarterbacks. Like, you're gonna
Speaker 1: have three or four quarterbacks go. I guess he's gonna
Speaker 1: go in the first. Dotson might go in the first.
Speaker 1: The Penn statewide receiver Devin Lloyd's gonna go in the first.
Speaker 1: There might be seven eight first round picks in Mobile.
Speaker 1: It feels unfair. I mean, yeah, the quarterbacks will be
Speaker 1: first round price, but like, I don't know, that feels
Speaker 1: like cheating to me a little bit. Using the quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, a because the Cowboys aren't going to draft them,
Speaker 1: and because quarterbacks get overdrafted, and that's exactly what's going
Speaker 1: to happen this year. Because it's not a strong quarterback class.
Speaker 1: I like Kenny pick it up at the top, and
Speaker 1: Malik Willis is gonna impress some people in Mobile because
Speaker 1: he's finally gonna have an offensive line that blocks form
Speaker 1: well Willis out of Liberty, pick it out of Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1: But it's not a good quarterback. He used this platform
Speaker 1: to announce that you will never hear a strong quarterback
Speaker 1: opinion from me ever again, because time it's impossible. Oh
Speaker 1: is this in relation to Josh Allen? Just all of them,
Speaker 1: Like Josh Allen's the ultimate outlier, and like, yeah, that
Speaker 1: was a not very good college player that couldn't throw
Speaker 1: a ball accurately that now can. And it's like quarterbacks
Speaker 1: is so so hard ever get a strong little run
Speaker 1: right now? You would you you could find some tweets
Speaker 1: that I'd be really embarrassed about about Josh Allen. Let
Speaker 1: me tell you what time to go. You'll talk about
Speaker 1: the senior. But I think it's a big time for
Speaker 1: Sam Howell from North Carolina. Absolutely, because Sam Howe came
Speaker 1: into this process as being one of the top quarterbacks
Speaker 1: in the draft. I think it's super super important and
Speaker 1: I think people are sleeping on him. That's my guy
Speaker 1: that I'm going to kind of champion a little bit.
Speaker 1: I love willis I love what you watched the old
Speaker 1: Miss game. You'll fall in love with him just because
Speaker 1: of the sheer will that he played with in that
Speaker 1: football game. But Sam Howe is a guy that I
Speaker 1: kind of feel like that people were on him early
Speaker 1: and then they got real quiet about him because North
Speaker 1: Carolina's season wasn't very good and I think he's gonna
Speaker 1: make somebody a good quarterback one day. It's worth pointing
Speaker 1: out he lost like his entire supporting cast coming out
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty. All right, Actually this pertains to a
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Speaker 1: I mentioned this before the break. I think this is
Speaker 1: the type of stuff that fascinates me. Sam wants to know,
Speaker 1: do you think do you think this will be a
Speaker 1: harder to predict than usual first round because of the
Speaker 1: quarterback situation, Like this doesn't appear to be a year
Speaker 1: where we're going to be debating four quarterbacks at the
Speaker 1: top of the round or do you think that narrative
Speaker 1: is going to change as we get a better look
Speaker 1: at some of these qbs. I think this will be
Speaker 1: a hard first round to predict, because, yeah, it's not
Speaker 1: even just the quarterbacks. To me, I think ranking the
Speaker 1: offensive lineman is really hard. Like I think Brian told
Speaker 1: me the other day what his is and I'm like,
Speaker 1: not me. I think the offensive tackles the order that
Speaker 1: they're going to go in, don't know the quarterbacks, who's
Speaker 1: going to prefer them, how many teams are gonna think
Speaker 1: one of them's worth the first round pick. Don't know
Speaker 1: who's the best pass rusher. That's up in the air.
Speaker 1: How many pass rushers are worth first round pick that's
Speaker 1: up in the air. There's not a dominant defensive tackle
Speaker 1: in this draft class that's a pass rusher. Like, there's
Speaker 1: so many unique things about this draft class that I
Speaker 1: actually like picking around twenty four. I might like to
Speaker 1: pick it like nineteen or twenty, but I like picking
Speaker 1: it twenty four because you get to let everybody else
Speaker 1: figured out. I'm gonna say a player this, and maybe
Speaker 1: maybe you would say this every No, no, you wouldn't
Speaker 1: this feels like a year where picking twenty fourth isn't
Speaker 1: the end of the world. Like that kind of feels
Speaker 1: like where the sweet spot starts to come into play.
Speaker 1: Or am I just being biased? No? I think you're
Speaker 1: right because right up at the top of the draft
Speaker 1: you have a couple names, But other than that, it's
Speaker 1: not like it's a eight or nine pick deep where
Speaker 1: you're hoping a couple of those guys fall. Last year,
Speaker 1: you were sitting at ten and you were hoping those
Speaker 1: corners fell, if Patrick's or Tan and JC Horn, you
Speaker 1: were hoping those guys fell because they were top ten talents,
Speaker 1: and then of course you up finding Michael Parsons along
Speaker 1: the way. This year, there's not that deep of a
Speaker 1: It's deeper than it is top heavy in terms of
Speaker 1: the draft talent. You have the Hutchinson's up at the top,
Speaker 1: you have the Thibadeaus, a couple other players probably sprinkled
Speaker 1: in that mix. But after that it could really go anywhere.
Speaker 1: It just ends up falling. Now. The other thing I
Speaker 1: wanted to point out, we've done mock drafts to each
Speaker 1: of the last two years and going all the way
Speaker 1: into the third round two years ago, so twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: we got eight of the first ten picks right in
Speaker 1: our mocks all the way through, so it was pretty predictable. Right.
Speaker 1: Last year we got the first four picks right and
Speaker 1: not a single one after that. Yeah, every because as
Speaker 1: soon as one thing falls everything went to hell. Pretty cool,
Speaker 1: everything goes completely different direction. And I assume that's probably
Speaker 1: gonna be the case this year. You're probably gonna get
Speaker 1: maybe the first two or three picks right, and then
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna surprise you by taking a player, and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's gonna domino from there on out.
Speaker 1: I think the unpredictability of the round what's gonna happ
Speaker 1: up and ahead of you, is going to be in
Speaker 1: the future of the two New York teams and what
Speaker 1: happens in Philadelphia. I think those teams are going to
Speaker 1: dictate what direction this draft goes, just based off of
Speaker 1: the pure draft capital, just the numbers they have, which
Speaker 1: and we can throw this back. If you remember Tuesday,
Speaker 1: Tim wanted to know our thoughts on the situation with Philly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they have pick fifteen, Pick sixteen, and pick nineteen all
Speaker 1: ahead of you. What do you think is more realistic?
Speaker 1: I mean, if they draft three guys and hit on them,
Speaker 1: they could revamp their team in an offseason or knowing
Speaker 1: how Roseman, do you think it's more likely that they
Speaker 1: use that capital move around. I kind of feel like
Speaker 1: that they're going to try and move around a little
Speaker 1: bit a making three picks, Yeah, I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: think so. That's why I said either one or two
Speaker 1: or he's making eleven. Yeah, I could see the Giants
Speaker 1: holding in there. I could see the Giants making two picks,
Speaker 1: you know, they're two picks. I could see the Jets
Speaker 1: maybe making one of the picks and then trying to
Speaker 1: move for some more philadel If he is going to move,
Speaker 1: Philadelphia is not gonna not gonna sit there. What if
Speaker 1: they go trade for a quarterback? Well, that's yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean they that's that's that's a possibility there. But I
Speaker 1: think that this draft completely is going to be not controlled.
Speaker 1: But when we figure out what the Giants are gonna
Speaker 1: do again, I think the Giants are going to stay
Speaker 1: there and pick, you know, the Jets. I think the
Speaker 1: Jets can be one of those picks new GM though
Speaker 1: it's not Gettlman who loves the stands now they need players.
Speaker 1: They're not gonna need players that you know. That's what
Speaker 1: happens when you walk in that building in New York,
Speaker 1: even if you're a new general manager, whatever, history starts
Speaker 1: to tell you that you need to we need players.
Speaker 1: You know our roster, Look at our roster. We need
Speaker 1: players that kind of like that's teams in cap trouble too.
Speaker 1: What they carry over Jeff thirteen thousand dollars the other day.
Speaker 1: They are they are like really top like they have
Speaker 1: a lot of money committed to such a bad roster. Sure,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. So to me, that's where they're
Speaker 1: at right now. But this draft will be hard to
Speaker 1: predict just because of the those picks owned by those
Speaker 1: three teams. If they move, if they stay, you know,
Speaker 1: I think that teams. I think there's some teams that
Speaker 1: are locked into committed to looking at quarterbacks. You know,
Speaker 1: I think Davis Mills played better in Houston, kind of
Speaker 1: gave them a little bit of a better understanding. Depending
Speaker 1: on who they get it's their head coach is another thing.
Speaker 1: But to me, you know, the Giants, they're trying to
Speaker 1: talk themselves into thinking that their quarterbacks good. But they
Speaker 1: might not double down on it. Yeah, we kind of
Speaker 1: talk about this thing not being a very good quarterback draft.
Speaker 1: All it takes is one team believing that that we
Speaker 1: don't know what we're talking about, and that happens a lot.
Speaker 1: Leo is gonna make this really simple, he says, Pick
Speaker 1: twenty four, Nakobe Dean or Devin Lloyd, linebacker. Nakobe Deane's
Speaker 1: linebacker out of Georgia, dev Devin Lloyd from Utah. If
Speaker 1: you're not familiar, one six foot sixty three and they
Speaker 1: both play their ass off and they both tackle, they
Speaker 1: both run, they both finish. You know, if you went
Speaker 1: either way with those guys, it just depends on what
Speaker 1: you want. You know, if Dan Quinn stays and you know,
Speaker 1: with the way the coaching things going right now, you
Speaker 1: know Dan's really you got really one more team, I
Speaker 1: think that you have to dodge and you know, we'll see.
Speaker 1: But you know the Dan Dan's played with shorter linebackers
Speaker 1: before he has, and after Dion Jones he did, he
Speaker 1: sure did, so to me, that's you know that I
Speaker 1: think it's open to either one of those guys. I
Speaker 1: would be super super happy with it, Just depend on you.
Speaker 1: One a six foot guy or six three guys. Jeff said,
Speaker 1: Dean Brian's a coward, Kyle, what do you think? Which
Speaker 1: which one did you pick? I'll take to Georgia, kid,
Speaker 1: I have him over that if they we're doing that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you I would. He wanted to know
Speaker 1: which one take Dean as well? But which one do
Speaker 1: you feel like would pair better with Michael Parsons? Because
Speaker 1: either one, either one's going to play one. That's what
Speaker 1: I was trying to till I was called a coward.
Speaker 1: But either one's fine. It's not fun being antagonized by
Speaker 1: the host, not at all. Who did you take? If
Speaker 1: you looked either one? I haven't seen him. I'm sorry, okay,
Speaker 1: but I've I've watched all of the Draft show. You
Speaker 1: got to kind of get a watch. I have watched
Speaker 1: a lot of Nakobe Dean just watching Georgia football. He
Speaker 1: is a very good player. I would like to have
Speaker 1: him on this team. Nacobe Dean is either like a
Speaker 1: Roquan Smith or if you like more recent names. Watching
Speaker 1: the Draft show, I think Nakobe Dean is a supercharged
Speaker 1: Nick Bolton that can blitz sick. That's what I think
Speaker 1: he is like, yeah, I love like Nick Bolton isn't
Speaker 1: the athlete that Nakoby Dean is. But Nakobe Dean does
Speaker 1: the same thing Nick Bolton did a year ago, which
Speaker 1: is when the ball is snapped, he's the first one moving.
Speaker 1: He's going the right way every time. And I just
Speaker 1: again from watching Dean not saying he can like rush
Speaker 1: the passer the way Mica can. No, but I'd like
Speaker 1: say in front of him, he's he can live in
Speaker 1: the backfield and he's done it at the highest level
Speaker 1: of football, Um, Ruben, which I don't. I'll just throw
Speaker 1: it to y'all. You tell me. He We talked about
Speaker 1: this in the first segment. The Cowboys do not really
Speaker 1: draft small school guys like Louisian Attack and Boise are
Speaker 1: about as small as they've gone in the Will McClay era.
Speaker 1: Reuben wants to know, like is that good? Should they
Speaker 1: be taking a harder look at guys like that? And
Speaker 1: I think my answer to that would just be I
Speaker 1: think they do. Like, it's not like they don't look
Speaker 1: at those guys. They just use school pedigree as a tiebreaker, right. Well,
Speaker 1: I think the tiny school thing is, you know how
Speaker 1: many of those guys are getting drafted. The odds are
Speaker 1: that any of the thirty two teams aren't going to
Speaker 1: draft a really small school guy on any given year.
Speaker 1: So I think it probably is a preference because you're
Speaker 1: more comfortable watching the level of competition of the bigger
Speaker 1: school guys. And I think that makes sense for an
Speaker 1: NFL team because the idea of the draft, I think,
Speaker 1: or a big part of it, is minimizing risk. You
Speaker 1: wanted to have the best odds of the dude being
Speaker 1: able to play in the NFL and help your team
Speaker 1: as you can. And a great way to minimize risk
Speaker 1: is to feel better about the tape you saw. So
Speaker 1: I get it. If there's a small school guy that
Speaker 1: you love, like I bet Will McClay would pick de
Speaker 1: Marcus Ware. I bet he would. Yeah, I bet think
Speaker 1: you'd get that right? Yeah? Um? But yeah, it makes
Speaker 1: sense to lean hard into the bigger schools because and
Speaker 1: that's why the Senior Bowl is so important. The little
Speaker 1: school guys. When you line up against Penn State, whoop?
Speaker 1: How do you line up against Michigan whoop them? That
Speaker 1: will get an NFL team to go? Okay? I and
Speaker 1: DeMarcus where DeMarcus where was a Senior Bowl guy, right, Brian, Yes,
Speaker 1: but he smashed it, I bet, but it was great.
Speaker 1: If Will drafted a small school guy, I bet he'd
Speaker 1: be a Senior Bowl guy. I don't know if they
Speaker 1: would draft a guy like that purely off college tape.
Speaker 1: What do you think? The only uh, and I'm just
Speaker 1: looking at my notes, the only really small school guy
Speaker 1: that I have that's a Senior Bowl guy in the
Speaker 1: in the first two rounds is Pinning from north Northern Iowa.
Speaker 1: That's the only guy I've got. This small school guy. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't know excuse him. I don't know if they
Speaker 1: take him, but that that that's that's Jeff's right. If
Speaker 1: you know he's gotta Pinning's gonna show up and prove.
Speaker 1: You can watch him play against Iowa State and it
Speaker 1: wasn't always pretty. So if he goes out there and
Speaker 1: flops around and stuff like that against some of these
Speaker 1: really good rush ends that I was talking about earlier,
Speaker 1: then that kind of gets you that, well, maybe he's
Speaker 1: not all for this. And I think that does influence
Speaker 1: you when you watch the Senior Bowls stuff. If you're
Speaker 1: a small school guy from a more general general standpoint,
Speaker 1: you might be able to speak better to this, Brian.
Speaker 1: But as a scout than in a scouting department, you're
Speaker 1: always taught don't look at the helmet. Right, Yes, it's
Speaker 1: scout the player, not the team. Sure, but there is
Speaker 1: a level of comfort for a scouting department whenever you
Speaker 1: do have success drafting a certain type of player from
Speaker 1: a certain type of program. Right. Yeah, I was taught
Speaker 1: that he'd better walk on water. If it's a small
Speaker 1: school guy, he'd better walk on water. There's bounce houses
Speaker 1: in the end zone. If there's bounce houses in the
Speaker 1: end zone, you got a shot too. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean the guys that walked on water. If you go
Speaker 1: back through history, the guy's like a Jerry Rice, So
Speaker 1: Walter Payton, schools like that. You know, Jackson, You know
Speaker 1: that's almost said Tom McNair, McNair for even Steve McNair
Speaker 1: from Alcorn, those guys walked on water. Is walking on
Speaker 1: water only for early round picks or is that throughout there?
Speaker 1: I think I think the early round. I think the
Speaker 1: early round pick because you're gonna you're gonna hit on
Speaker 1: a you're gonna hit on if you're lucky, and if
Speaker 1: you draft a small school guy like an Andre Reid
Speaker 1: from you know, Kunstown State or something like that. You know,
Speaker 1: Brian shout out our friends on the other side of
Speaker 1: the pond. Yeah they are. I love those guys on
Speaker 1: the other side. They ask you questions. Our buddy, our buddy,
Speaker 1: Lauren from from our UK content. I love, I love
Speaker 1: those folks over there by the way. And I hope
Speaker 1: I hope that the Cowboys, with Jacksonville being on the schedule,
Speaker 1: I hope the league comes out and says here just
Speaker 1: in the next couple of weeks that we're all well
Speaker 1: heading back that direction. It'll be a lot of fun
Speaker 1: from your lips to drink. Oh my gosh, yeah, like fish,
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't know that supposedly. Again, I know
Speaker 1: they're football over there. It's it's early days. David A. Jabo,
Speaker 1: the Michigan end, Yeah, is Scottish born. He actually is
Speaker 1: Nigerian and lived in s found up in Scotland. Okay,
Speaker 1: gotcha right. Lauren's worried that Randy Gregory is going to leave.
Speaker 1: Do we think David Njabo is a realistic candidate in
Speaker 1: the twenty four range? I kind of think that to me.
Speaker 1: We talked about the way I would have it is
Speaker 1: because yes, Calotus Walker and then schools Karloftus is Purdue, right,
Speaker 1: and then Walkers Georgia and then and then a Jabo
Speaker 1: this year talking about is Michigan. I kind of feel
Speaker 1: like that that would be the order I would have
Speaker 1: him in if those three were available. I think Karloftus
Speaker 1: is a hell of a player prom Purdue. I really
Speaker 1: really do Walker. I think Walker's got some ability. I
Speaker 1: kind of like how they move him, have him as
Speaker 1: an end. He could play, he could play inside two
Speaker 1: for you. I think his pass rough stuff is not
Speaker 1: as good as what I would see in Karloftus if
Speaker 1: that was given. I love the way Purdue, in my
Speaker 1: brain is just the epitome of like a six and
Speaker 1: six playing at eleven nam Big ten team, But like
Speaker 1: they've always got a badass or two they knocked out
Speaker 1: if you remember they knocked off they knocked off number
Speaker 1: two Iowa and number three Michigan State last year. There's
Speaker 1: such spoilers in the big They murdered Ohio Ohio State
Speaker 1: a couple of years. Yeah, Tyler Coyle from last year too,
Speaker 1: undrafted free agent Rondel Moore. Yeah, they got a receiver
Speaker 1: is I can't think of his name right now. I
Speaker 1: don't know if he's in the draft. I think he's
Speaker 1: in this class. David Bell, there we go, Thank you.
Speaker 1: John wants early thoughts on safeties guys that can maybe
Speaker 1: play single high. Kyle Hamilton's obviously the big one. I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's right. I saw a deal where
Speaker 1: he's going to Philadelphia, by the way, on like a
Speaker 1: mock draft. Think it was Bucky Brooks's mock draft. They
Speaker 1: had a run there where they Philadephia dropped to fifteen Philadelphia.
Speaker 1: Philadelphia took three guys in a row. I went, oh, damn,
Speaker 1: that's hard for me. One of those deals was it
Speaker 1: was it was Liberom Hamilton. I mean they he had,
Speaker 1: he had all th nineteen was a bad pick. I
Speaker 1: forgot who it was. Any other safeties that you like,
Speaker 1: bad pick besides mister Hamilton. Yeah, do you, Jeff? You
Speaker 1: watched uh you watch the kid from Michigan, didn't you? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Daxton Hill. Daxton Hill is a really good player. I
Speaker 1: think Daxton Hill at Michigan is probably a guy that's
Speaker 1: gonna go somewhere between pick number twenty and picked number
Speaker 1: thirty five or forty. He plays the slot and he
Speaker 1: plays safety for Michigan. He ain't scared of contact in
Speaker 1: any way, shape or form, and he runs like the wind.
Speaker 1: Like like a lot of guys, you don't get a
Speaker 1: perfect picture of the NFL player that he's going to
Speaker 1: be because of how teams use guys in college. But
Speaker 1: Daxton Hill is a guy that I think is going
Speaker 1: to offer somebody the versatility to be a one of
Speaker 1: your deep half field safeties, maybe a free safety. Um
Speaker 1: nickel he does on tape. Yeah, but so many college
Speaker 1: guys in the nickel on tape. I want all of
Speaker 1: them to go to the Senior Bowl because so many
Speaker 1: college guys when they play the Nickel on tape, they
Speaker 1: are stand and wait and chase, and I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: that kind of coverage ain't gonna work in the NFL.
Speaker 1: But it's kind of what they do where they're just
Speaker 1: like I'm waiting, I'm waiting, I'm waiting. I try to
Speaker 1: touch you and I chase you. But I mean, he's
Speaker 1: got makeup speed for days, Dexton, He'll fly. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think the thing that's really cool about him, and I
Speaker 1: think Jeff nailed him By the way, that was a
Speaker 1: really good report on him, because to me, you know,
Speaker 1: he's one of those guys that you can watch him
Speaker 1: and you talk about Chase and they put him in
Speaker 1: the slot and he'll go inside. I think that's if
Speaker 1: you get me a defensive back that could play running
Speaker 1: inside and deny the football. How many times have we
Speaker 1: seen plays, big plays given up inside because the corner
Speaker 1: or somebody can't cover a guy going inside. This guy
Speaker 1: can do that, and I think he did a really
Speaker 1: good job of avoiding penalties, especially when he had to
Speaker 1: go inside and cover. You know, you can get a
Speaker 1: little grabby or come over the back and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But this guy has got some toughness to him. You
Speaker 1: know when you watch him, when he reads the routes
Speaker 1: and it's all of a sudden the balls come in
Speaker 1: his direction, he's going to tackle, you know. I mean
Speaker 1: Michigan State running back, the kid Walker try to run
Speaker 1: over him. It didn't work, he said, technically did fall backward,
Speaker 1: but he but he was not scared. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that guy hit him. I mean it was a good
Speaker 1: collision there. I thought he was a wrap up tiger,
Speaker 1: so kind of a smart guy. Finished his plays it
Speaker 1: could play in coverage. There's when I first watched him play,
Speaker 1: he was one of the first guys i'd seen play.
Speaker 1: I thought this was Dallas's pick, and I didn't know
Speaker 1: when Dallas was gonna pick. I was thinking Dallas was
Speaker 1: gonna pick at twenty nine or something like that. I
Speaker 1: thought this was I thought this was the guy. I
Speaker 1: thought this was who they were gonna I think they
Speaker 1: have a better shot at doing that now that dan
Speaker 1: Quinn could potentially be back then more because he fits
Speaker 1: that system almost well. If they lose all their safeties too,
Speaker 1: that other thing, assuming that, assuming it, and I have
Speaker 1: no reason to doubt Tom Pellicero he knows the stuff,
Speaker 1: but assuming that's true, I'm excited to have some clarity
Speaker 1: about the type of guys we're gonna want to look
Speaker 1: at exactly, and that it'll help us going into Mobile
Speaker 1: next week too, because then we can look at that
Speaker 1: guy and that guy and that guy and say that's
Speaker 1: a dan Quinn guy. Safety. Just my overall thought is
Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton's going to be gone before you're even or
Speaker 1: even close to twenty four. You've got two names, and
Speaker 1: it's Dax Hill and Brisker, who we talked about in
Speaker 1: the first show from Penn State, who will out be
Speaker 1: out at the Senior Bowl, And then to me, there's
Speaker 1: a big drop off before you see the next couple
Speaker 1: guys like Sign from Georgia and McKinley from Oregon, Cross
Speaker 1: from Maryland. There's a significant gap. So maybe if you
Speaker 1: don't take one of those two names and it works
Speaker 1: out to where you even talk about a safety in
Speaker 1: the first round, which with this front office we know
Speaker 1: is not necessarily the case, then you're probably not captain
Speaker 1: safety name until three or four. It's Kyle over there
Speaker 1: trying to get captain trade hunter round. Not first you're
Speaker 1: trying to add a pick. Say if you want to
Speaker 1: add a pick, maybe, but we can move this bad
Speaker 1: boy back at I was about to say, keep it
Speaker 1: in like the twenties. I don't want to go out
Speaker 1: of the first round to pick up a safety in
Speaker 1: the eighties. I love a good segue. I love a
Speaker 1: good segue. I hate this question, but my job is
Speaker 1: to field the questions that you send me. So Rob
Speaker 1: and you're telling him you hate his question, I do
Speaker 1: his face. I do hate his question. But he wants
Speaker 1: to know if the Cowboys were to trade a Marii
Speaker 1: Cooper this offseason. What kind of compensation do you think
Speaker 1: they could get that. I assume he's asking because you
Speaker 1: would imagine it would help their draft cast. Second round.
Speaker 1: I'll I'll totally guess second round at most at most
Speaker 1: and maybe less age injury issues. I think I think
Speaker 1: the injury history is something that's very relevant here. I
Speaker 1: think his compensation is fair for the player. Right, he's
Speaker 1: a twenty million dollars player. He's a twenty million dollar talent,
Speaker 1: you are, which part of what made him so valuable
Speaker 1: the first time he was traded is very young for
Speaker 1: an NFL VET, And he's still young for a guy
Speaker 1: who's been in the league six seven years, but not
Speaker 1: as young as he was, and he wasn't on a
Speaker 1: huge contract whereas now he is. Yeah, now he's now,
Speaker 1: he's fairly compensated. And I think if you just add
Speaker 1: up that he's a knicked up guy and like we
Speaker 1: can pretend and the Oakland stuff doesn't matter and no
Speaker 1: teams care about it. But even going back to the
Speaker 1: Raiders stuff, I think there's people around the league that
Speaker 1: look at his demeanor and won't be interested. I think
Speaker 1: there's some teams that would just be like, we're not
Speaker 1: gonna give up much. Do you remember people are talking
Speaker 1: about does he even like football? Probably? Is this a
Speaker 1: glass eater? No? Probably unfair in my opinion, but valid,
Speaker 1: Like that's a valid thing that I think. What's unfair
Speaker 1: about it? I just I think that we think he
Speaker 1: loves football. Yeah, but I'm projecting other people's y'all talk
Speaker 1: to Amar every week. I mean, I just wonderful guy
Speaker 1: to talk to because he because he's got a lot
Speaker 1: of other interests. I think I think he's been available
Speaker 1: the entirety of the time that he lines up in
Speaker 1: plays you have trouble getting him the ball? Yeah, no, exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper being having a disappointing year this year. I
Speaker 1: do not put on Amari Coop, not at all. I
Speaker 1: don't personally. That's why I still think I think second
Speaker 1: round has to be even though it's the probably the max.
Speaker 1: I don't. I wouldn't accept anything less, honestly, would you?
Speaker 1: Are y'all interested in doing that? No, not even a
Speaker 1: little bit. I think I'm I'm with you. I think, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: we we've talked about this. No, but you asked the question.
Speaker 1: It was a second round pick, and I think that's
Speaker 1: where we're at. You know, I think the thing. Let's
Speaker 1: be honest though, too, if we went back and did
Speaker 1: and did all our shows from the summertime we were
Speaker 1: all talking about, could this receivering crew all have a
Speaker 1: twelve hundred yards and all that, I'd say it's probably
Speaker 1: a little disappointing. Yeah, I think all the projections we
Speaker 1: had for this group was disappointing. But do you put
Speaker 1: that on the player? Do you put that on the
Speaker 1: coaching staff? Players? You do? I mean you a chunk
Speaker 1: of it? Yeah, I mean you can't sit there just
Speaker 1: say that it's all Kellen Moore's fault. You know, you can't.
Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta blame Dak. You gotta blame the receivers.
Speaker 1: How about availability? He missed three games because he got sick.
Speaker 1: You know, I forgot about that when I said he's
Speaker 1: been available that And I imagine that's something that fresh
Speaker 1: traded the front office, which asolutely they haven't really shied away.
Speaker 1: They have not. I still don't think you make this
Speaker 1: team better by getting rid of your best who I
Speaker 1: think is still your best receiver. Do you feel like
Speaker 1: they use him the right way not right now? Okay,
Speaker 1: but you can you trust anybody across the hall that
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it to you? Now, you trust anybody
Speaker 1: across the hall to get him the ball at this
Speaker 1: particular moment. I don't feel confident about it. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: it's January. We got time. I can talk myself into this. Said.
Speaker 1: I was about to say, you're gonna do it again
Speaker 1: and ten and all right, week twelve. We're getting very
Speaker 1: existential here, we're getting depressing. So let's not do that.
Speaker 1: Let's take our second break and come back and talk more.
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Speaker 1: back to the final segment of the Draft Show, Final
Speaker 1: Draft Show before the Senior Bowl gets underway, which, without
Speaker 1: further ado, we talked about this in the first segment
Speaker 1: a little bit, but just out of curiosity for my
Speaker 1: own sake, let alone anybody listening to this. I would
Speaker 1: love to get y'all's thoughts again on this roster just
Speaker 1: pet cats for lack of a better term. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I'm going to fall in love with somebody this week.
Speaker 1: I still remember thinking Braxton Miller was and his footwork
Speaker 1: of the wide receiver girls was incredible. I thought he
Speaker 1: was gonna be I thought he was gonna take over
Speaker 1: the league. So I can't wait to get hurt again.
Speaker 1: But I just I would love to hear some pet cats.
Speaker 1: So let's just go around the table. Brian. I'll start
Speaker 1: with you. Just give me one or two guys that
Speaker 1: you're really I'm really interested in these defensive alignemen. And
Speaker 1: when you start to talk about Jermaine Johnson, Cam Thomas,
Speaker 1: those guys I mentioned mathis from Alabama, Hall from Houston,
Speaker 1: you know to me that this might be one of
Speaker 1: those kind of those sneaky things, those sneaky needs that
Speaker 1: we like to talk about. If things whatever happens with
Speaker 1: your defensive tackle situation, whatever happens with Brandy, what happens
Speaker 1: with the cap with uh, say, you know with Tank.
Speaker 1: You know they might be looking at at twenty four
Speaker 1: and keeping a really broad open mind about hey, best player.
Speaker 1: But these these edge players, I think there's quite a
Speaker 1: few of them. And I do I do love the kid,
Speaker 1: I do love Johnson, and I do I do like
Speaker 1: Cam Thomas myself. So keeping on that, I know Sanders
Speaker 1: as a kid at a Cincinnati that has got some
Speaker 1: interest from some folks. So it's got a pretty good
Speaker 1: little flavor of defensive lineman. So that's a position I'm
Speaker 1: going to kind of be focusing on overall. Cam Thomas
Speaker 1: out of San Diego State. Yeah, writing that down, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a good when to look at. He'll be he'll be.
Speaker 1: What's gonna happen is he's gonna go on. You'll see
Speaker 1: him in the one on one stuff and he's got
Speaker 1: a guy it's probably gonna be winning quite a bit
Speaker 1: because he's kind of a slippery, but like really good technician,
Speaker 1: slap hands, rip, you know, pull that kind of guy.
Speaker 1: So I have a feeling he'll be able to break
Speaker 1: some of these tackles down. Kyle, what do you got?
Speaker 1: I've got a couple guys and I tweet it out
Speaker 1: a list of five last night that I was excited
Speaker 1: to watch, and apparently three of those guys may not
Speaker 1: actually play this week, So pretty disappointing. Yeah, it was disappointing.
Speaker 1: I've got some late later round guys that I kind
Speaker 1: of want to look that may have a chance to jump,
Speaker 1: one of which is a Dallas guy, Reggie Robertson Junior.
Speaker 1: He's fun, he's very fun, great hands, he can high
Speaker 1: point the football, makes catching traffic. He's a good route runner.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see him go up against these bigger
Speaker 1: corners and guys that are able to challenge him from
Speaker 1: a speed and a physical standpoint, and I think he's
Speaker 1: got a chance to jump. There was another SMU guy,
Speaker 1: Danny Gray, that'll be a part of the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: But I'm really keeping my eyes on Robertson, who's been
Speaker 1: at SMU for quite some time. I feel like I
Speaker 1: was calling games of his back in like twenty eighteen
Speaker 1: when I was in school. Still so in school in
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. Let's not talking about it. I would say,
Speaker 1: I would say outside of that, I want to see
Speaker 1: some of these. Of course, offensive interior lineman Zion Johnson
Speaker 1: who brought brought us brought up the other day Leviticus
Speaker 1: Smith or no, wait, I said that first name wrong,
Speaker 1: Letitia Leedicus. I don't know how about if you I
Speaker 1: want you to know, the odds are you're going to
Speaker 1: be the pronunciation and I haven't gotten to this point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why I'm excited to see him. Uh Stuber from Michigan,
Speaker 1: which I think I said his name wrong too, Spencer
Speaker 1: Burford from ut Utsa offensive lineman heavy this week, and honestly,
Speaker 1: I think the one on one drills of the trenches
Speaker 1: is going to be where I'm planted for the majority
Speaker 1: of the week. Jeffrey, what do you got? I have
Speaker 1: four names that when I was looking over the rosters
Speaker 1: this morning, are really really interesting to me. I love
Speaker 1: Baylor safety Jalen Petrie, but I have no idea if
Speaker 1: he can cover. As I said earlier, um, but he
Speaker 1: is like the leader of a pack of rabid dogs
Speaker 1: on that Baylor defense. You watch them play and you're like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, everybody out there is trying to break
Speaker 1: people on every play. Miranda, I miss you, Dave Randa. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Jalen Petrie played the nickel, but a lot of
Speaker 1: times he walks down and plays the edge, and he
Speaker 1: like he doesn't mind wrestling offensive lineman. Like, so he's
Speaker 1: a quote nickel that will hold the edge against offensive tackles.
Speaker 1: You're kind of describing Jeron Curse a little bit. Maybe
Speaker 1: he's a much smaller version six foot and I don't know,
Speaker 1: two hundred, maybe like Winfield at all from Tampa. No,
Speaker 1: because Winfield was a single high. I don't know if
Speaker 1: Peatri can cover, so That's why I'm interested. I want
Speaker 1: to see neither kid. Winfield, if you watched him play
Speaker 1: the other day, I mean Winfield plays down, Winfield play
Speaker 1: single high. He was good in college. Yeah, I haven't
Speaker 1: been keeping close tabs on him in the pros. And
Speaker 1: he got run by the other day. I think Petrie
Speaker 1: is probably he's in football called a zero blitz in
Speaker 1: a and they trusted him, and they trusted him to cover.
Speaker 1: That was their fault. Yeah. Kobe Bryant Cincinnati's other corner. Yes,
Speaker 1: I watched him last night. Sauce Gardner's gonna get all
Speaker 1: the headlines, and rightfully so, because he is the best
Speaker 1: corner on that team. But Kobe Bryant was a fifth
Speaker 1: year senior that took advantage of the extra year you
Speaker 1: could play because of the COVID deal. And he's another
Speaker 1: big old corner that when they let him step up
Speaker 1: in front of people and play press and when they
Speaker 1: when he gets to play man that way, you're like,
Speaker 1: holy cow, there's something there. So Kobe Bryant Cincinnati corner.
Speaker 1: And two defensive tackles that I think are interesting for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. Fidarian mathis at Alabama and Davante Wyatt at
Speaker 1: Georgia or two guys, I haven't seen Wyatt yet. Why
Speaker 1: it's funny because he's six three three fifteen and so
Speaker 1: to most people, you'd hear that and you'd be like, oh,
Speaker 1: one technique. Well, he played at Georgia where they had
Speaker 1: him three hundred and sixty pound one technique, so he
Speaker 1: was the three. And his get off at that size
Speaker 1: it's really good. Like the stats aren't great, but the
Speaker 1: tape when you see a play where he has the
Speaker 1: opportunity to hey, we're attacking on this play, you can
Speaker 1: get off the ball. Devantae Wyatt at six three, three
Speaker 1: fifteen has an awesome get off. You know what you
Speaker 1: mentioned about and you mentioned Matthis from Alabama. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be surprised if he's the highest rated one technique over Davis.
Speaker 1: I know, I know Davis, everybody's That's what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Davis is really more of a of a two down player.
Speaker 1: And I bet you that Matthis on people's board is
Speaker 1: going to be higher than Davis. What do you what
Speaker 1: do you think Davis's range is? Because I know, like
Speaker 1: people are enamored and I'm not trying to like dis
Speaker 1: his ability as a player, he's great, Okay, Like I
Speaker 1: wonder how much that rant, like his limitations as a
Speaker 1: two down guy will affect his draft stock. Is there
Speaker 1: anybody okay, say, for example, if he's on the board
Speaker 1: and it's Davis, Dean, it's maybe it's Dean. Is there
Speaker 1: any body that you would take him over? Like, okay,
Speaker 1: say it was say Dean and Lloyd got knocked out
Speaker 1: of here was one of these corners that would be
Speaker 1: on the board, one of the safeties that were on
Speaker 1: the board, one of the wide receivers on the board.
Speaker 1: I have a lot of people so far that I
Speaker 1: would take over Jordan Davis. See, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, Trayvon Walker, George Karlofta's seat defensive end.
Speaker 1: I could just I mean, I think take my exercise
Speaker 1: right now is a lot of people are going to
Speaker 1: ask us about Davis. Yeah, and there's a lot of guys.
Speaker 1: What I'm trying to tell you is there's a lot
Speaker 1: of guys at twenty four that we would take over Davis.
Speaker 1: So I'm straight up think he'll probably be a second
Speaker 1: round pick if I had to guess right today. And
Speaker 1: that's I just it's interesting. His his his tag. He
Speaker 1: to me like Jeff's talking about he said eighteen. He
Speaker 1: might be that last guy you have in the first round.
Speaker 1: If you have nineteen or twenty names in the first
Speaker 1: round like you traditionally, do you know, he would be
Speaker 1: the probably the guy with the grade of one one nine,
Speaker 1: that last guy where one where one two O would
Speaker 1: be the first player in the second round. He might
Speaker 1: be the one one nine guy. Is he the most
Speaker 1: high profile nose tackles since Vita Vea or am I
Speaker 1: forgetting anybody? No, because everybody else is pretty much three
Speaker 1: technique and it was Alabama Cats the football team has
Speaker 1: those guys. Are all all those Obama guys like your
Speaker 1: pains and your Allan's, and they're super freaks. They're not
Speaker 1: even there. They are just monster freaks. I don't even
Speaker 1: know if you're talking about three fifty sixty pound guys. Basically,
Speaker 1: if you guys like the Georgia defensive tackles this year,
Speaker 1: there's one that Georgia that'll be here next year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's eight times better than both of Jaylen Carter's a
Speaker 1: freak show. Well, let's worry about that. In January, Jaylen Carter.
Speaker 1: I trade my first round pick right now and my
Speaker 1: second round pick it's to Jalen Carter next year. Wow,
Speaker 1: I'll give up my one in my two turn in
Speaker 1: the card already. Yes, I love it. Keep in mind
Speaker 1: that that's coming from Captain trade down. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: Could I throw one more name out there for Senior Yeah,
Speaker 1: to Rik Woolen Corner from UTSA and I hate mad people. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I had a couple of people that tweeted me about
Speaker 1: him because I have Conference USA, because of the ESPN
Speaker 1: stuff and whatever. Yeah, he didn't get to play in
Speaker 1: the game that I called of UTSA this year, but
Speaker 1: I watched this tape. They call him Reek the freak
Speaker 1: six foot four, two hundred and five pounds, switched to
Speaker 1: cornerback for two seasons and automatically was the best corner
Speaker 1: in the conference. And that wouldn't really I mean, it's
Speaker 1: Conference to USA, so there's a limitation there. But he
Speaker 1: is just a freak of a player, and he's going
Speaker 1: to be at the Senior Bowl. I think he could
Speaker 1: go from being a fourth round guy, fifth round guy
Speaker 1: to maybe being in the conversation of day like early
Speaker 1: day two, maybe six, five, six because Dan Quinn. Yeah, Quinn,
Speaker 1: that's that's kind of what I wanted to bring it
Speaker 1: up about. Because ty his shoes standing straight up. Let's go.
Speaker 1: I think playing corner for two seasons, he's better than
Speaker 1: Nashan Wright is right now then, I mean that's kind
Speaker 1: of a bold statement, but me too. Yeah. Two shout
Speaker 1: at a guy for no reason, and I apologize just now.
Speaker 1: I have a bad habit of doing this, like because
Speaker 1: I can't think of a position that's less interesting to
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. But I do really like Tyler Batty, the
Speaker 1: Missouri running back. He's he's he's like, he's gonna be
Speaker 1: a headliner down here, right, I mean he's like, all
Speaker 1: sec hmm. Maybe give me James Cook. Yeah, James Cook's
Speaker 1: gonna be him there? Can I pick him? Or Bryan
Speaker 1: Robinson from Alabama and Brian Roberts a good player. Ryan
Speaker 1: Robinson came on real strong. Abraham Smith from Baylor. I've
Speaker 1: only looked at one. I've only looked at one running
Speaker 1: back in the Strap so far, and it's Walker from
Speaker 1: from Michigan State. It's not something that I think you
Speaker 1: need to worry about. At least, no, I'm going to
Speaker 1: do because you're gonna have to pull your board together.
Speaker 1: I'm just interested to see when they But to me,
Speaker 1: I mean, I you know, if if you could find
Speaker 1: the guy that can I can do all three? That's
Speaker 1: always the trick. You know, can he run block? Can he?
Speaker 1: You know? Catch? I think in this day and age two,
Speaker 1: catching is really really really important. You know who is
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl? Who's that Tony Pollard? Mhmm, yeah,
Speaker 1: So I mean like that it's easy to open. Look,
Speaker 1: your left guard might be at the Senior Bowl. Who's
Speaker 1: that at Ingram the LSU guard? Darian Kinnard Kentucky guard.
Speaker 1: Your left guard might be at the Senior Bowl. Maybe
Speaker 1: you're the fourth linebackers at the Senior Bowl, Kway Walker
Speaker 1: and Channing Tendall, the Georgia guys. How does this? How
Speaker 1: will that? So you're gonna watch You're gonna have the
Speaker 1: access to the tape of this later, right, sure? How
Speaker 1: does this inform what you do later? Like? Do you like,
Speaker 1: are you gonna circle some of these names that stand
Speaker 1: out next week and like focus in on those guys?
Speaker 1: Oh no, I've already kind of started looking at some
Speaker 1: of these guys just because I know we were having
Speaker 1: the show and then Monday or Tuesday, Jeff and I'll
Speaker 1: come in here while your guys are on the road
Speaker 1: and have a show hopefully. And we have to know
Speaker 1: about these guys. Yeah, I think it's important that you know.
Speaker 1: I just want to get an idea of how they
Speaker 1: play and then how does that translate to the game,
Speaker 1: because they might not have a lot of reps, but
Speaker 1: if you see them, you know, kind of flash. I
Speaker 1: guess that's my point is And Bradley and I did
Speaker 1: this two years ago. Yeah, I mean he was like
Speaker 1: the MVP the tour up Tarrant Steele. I guess I
Speaker 1: do not remember Steele being at the Senior Bowl. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Texas Tech left tackle. It just got destroyed. That's fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But I guess that's my point though, is like whatever
Speaker 1: happens in this game probably affect your priorities coming out
Speaker 1: of it, just in terms of like who you want
Speaker 1: to look at. I think it always when you play
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl and you know that they've been coached
Speaker 1: by watching the drill, It's not true. Game doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: That's not true. I mean for our purposes, Yeah, but
Speaker 1: like the game does matter. Bradley and I jumped out
Speaker 1: that was the MVP of the Senior Bowl. Win was
Speaker 1: the MVP of the Senior Bowl. He was on the
Speaker 1: opposite team of Garrett and them. See, it's we're nagging.
Speaker 1: Those guys do a great job where like they do
Speaker 1: they put these teams. Might coach the Jets if he
Speaker 1: put some players to their needs, which team needs what
Speaker 1: would Yeah, he tries to help these coaches out for
Speaker 1: you know, for coaching the game. Hell, I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: you a look or two of these guys. You know,
Speaker 1: I think that's a smart thing. I just realized we're
Speaker 1: gonna have a chance to hang out with Dan Campbell. Yep,
Speaker 1: that's exciting. Yeah, find some kneecap biters. Yeah. Whoever's coaching
Speaker 1: the national team appears to be the team that would
Speaker 1: be interested in offensive line because they got Zion Johnson.
Speaker 1: But that's the Jets. That's the Jets. Salo and company. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they got the Minnesota Tackle. Two really good head coaches
Speaker 1: in terms of personalities, but could not be more different,
Speaker 1: which will be fun. Yeah, I mean, I guess I
Speaker 1: don't know Robert Salo's personality. He seems kind of reserve.
Speaker 1: We're gonna say he seems very low key. I know
Speaker 1: everything I need to know about Dan. Campbell's gonna have
Speaker 1: some fun. I love Dan Campbell too. I'm interested to
Speaker 1: see the contrast in the two practices and see if
Speaker 1: there's just the way that Yeah, yeah, Campbell's will be
Speaker 1: more violent. I would imagine so like bowl in the
Speaker 1: ring and stuff like that, break every rule. I doubt
Speaker 1: that very much, but we'll see. And that's all the
Speaker 1: time we have. So yeah, we're gonna well, we'll figure
Speaker 1: out what next week's gonna look like. Kyle and I'll
Speaker 1: be somebody in here. We'll be doing Kyl and I
Speaker 1: will be in mobile. Brian and Jeff will be here.
Speaker 1: We'll find a way to make it works. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: will have plenty of Senior Bowl content and other draft
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