WEBVTT - THE LAST SOVIET - EP 3: No Experience Necessary

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty seven year old Helen Charman makes her way to

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<v Speaker 1>her car. She's a chemist at the Mars Chocolate factory

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<v Speaker 1>and she's on the way home. Her days are filled

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<v Speaker 1>with questions about the right kind of toffee to use

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<v Speaker 1>on chocolate ice cream, or how long a Mars bar

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<v Speaker 1>will survive in the heat. She likes her job. Get up,

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<v Speaker 1>go to work, come home a regular nine to five

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<v Speaker 1>that day. Helen turns out of the factory car park

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<v Speaker 1>and quickly hits the rush hour traffic. She sighs and

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<v Speaker 1>turns the radio up loud. On it, a newscaster is

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<v Speaker 1>going through the day's headlines. It's early summer nineteen eighty

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<v Speaker 1>nine and in Hungary, the communist regime has just been overthrown,

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<v Speaker 1>which could end forty years of one party rule. An

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<v Speaker 1>Ira bar has gone off at a British military base.

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<v Speaker 1>Please believe the tech, May Harold as summer of terror.

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<v Speaker 1>Two hundred and sixty people arrested at Stonehenge for celebrating

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<v Speaker 1>the Summer Solstice. Protesters moving towards Stonehenge. Helen starts flicking

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<v Speaker 1>through the channels. I means number one, the new single

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<v Speaker 1>yeahde and she just wants to listen to some music,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's when she hears it. I was driving my

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<v Speaker 1>car home from work and flicking through the stations, trying

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<v Speaker 1>to find some music, and I heard an announcement, A

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<v Speaker 1>suppose an advert really, and it said started off with

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<v Speaker 1>astronaut wanted, no experience necessary. Suddenly Helen's staring at the

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<v Speaker 1>radio an astronaut. Now, lots of kids me included dream

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<v Speaker 1>of being an astronaut, but not Helen. She might work

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<v Speaker 1>for a company called Mars, but she's never thought about

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<v Speaker 1>going into space. Being British, who was no job for

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<v Speaker 1>an astronaut. Growing up in the nineteen sixties nineteen seventies,

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<v Speaker 1>Britain didn't even have a space program, so it wasn't possible.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't part of my agenda. But now Helen's listening

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<v Speaker 1>hard as the voice on the radio continues and then

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<v Speaker 1>went on to describe they wanted people to go over

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<v Speaker 1>to Star fifteen year Moscow, train with the cosmonauts and

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<v Speaker 1>do experiments on the Mere Space station Cosmonauts Star City,

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<v Speaker 1>Mere Space Station. These were words Helen hardly knew. They're

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<v Speaker 1>looking for someone between twenty one and forty with scientific

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<v Speaker 1>training and the ability to learn a foreign language, and

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<v Speaker 1>Helen thinks, I'm twenty seven, and I have a degree

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<v Speaker 1>in chemistry, and I know French and German. And then

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<v Speaker 1>this idea begins to form in the back of her mind.

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<v Speaker 1>What if the traffic light turns red before she can

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<v Speaker 1>talk herself out of it. Helen reaches for a scrap

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<v Speaker 1>of paper and scribbles down the number from the radio.

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<v Speaker 1>She has no idea that this moment, stuck in traffic

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<v Speaker 1>is about to change her life. That not only will

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<v Speaker 1>she be soon going to space, but she's about to

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<v Speaker 1>get a front row seat to one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>important events of the twentieth century, the collapse of the

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<v Speaker 1>Soviet Union, and by her side will be a Russian

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<v Speaker 1>cosmonaut called Serge Kracole from Kaleidoscope. iHeart podcasts and exile content.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the last Soviet I'm Lance Bass. So actually,

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<v Speaker 1>Helen Sharman and I have pretty similar stories. We grew

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<v Speaker 1>up in very different worlds and had very different jobs,

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<v Speaker 1>but we both somehow ended up in the same strange place,

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<v Speaker 1>a secret town outside of Moscow, doing the same insane thing,

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<v Speaker 1>training to go to space. We were both young, myself

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three, Helen twenty seven, and we left everything we'd

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<v Speaker 1>ever known behind us to see that electric blue light

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<v Speaker 1>of our planet from orbit. We were actually at the

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<v Speaker 1>frontier of something that today is a familiar idea, paying

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<v Speaker 1>to go to space, except in our case it was

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<v Speaker 1>TV companies who were paying for us. It was CBS

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<v Speaker 1>and MTV fronting the money for my trip and for

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<v Speaker 1>Helen a bunch of companies with backing from a British

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<v Speaker 1>TV channel. We were fish out of water, and both

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<v Speaker 1>of our journeys started completely by chance. For me with

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<v Speaker 1>a call from my agent Lance. What would you say

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<v Speaker 1>if I told you I've got you a ticket on

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<v Speaker 1>a Russian space rocket for Helen? Sitting in her car

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<v Speaker 1>one day in nineteen eighty nine, It all began with

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<v Speaker 1>that radio ad astronaut wanted new experience necessary. Helen keeps

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<v Speaker 1>the application for him in her bag for weeks before

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<v Speaker 1>she sends it in a few weeks later, she gets

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<v Speaker 1>a call. A woman's voice says, I'm telephoning on behalf

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<v Speaker 1>of Air Vice Marshal Peter Howard and would like to

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<v Speaker 1>ask if you would come for a medical for the

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<v Speaker 1>Anglo Soviet Juno's space mission. Hotline has been buzzing continuously

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<v Speaker 1>with hopeful astronauts. The mission was a joint project between

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<v Speaker 1>the Brits and the Soviets. They called it Project Juno,

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<v Speaker 1>and the idea was to hold a contest to try

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<v Speaker 1>to find the best person in Britain to go to space,

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<v Speaker 1>retracting applications from, among others, a city brokers, a tax inspective,

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<v Speaker 1>a baker. There were commercials on posters, in newspapers, on

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<v Speaker 1>TV and of course on the radio. With nearly twelve

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<v Speaker 1>thousand enthusiastics making contact, the chance of success is six

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<v Speaker 1>thousand to one. There was a selection process and medical

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<v Speaker 1>psychological tests and then gradually whittled us down. This morning,

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<v Speaker 1>it was only a small step onto the platform for

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<v Speaker 1>the four who've beaten thirteen thousand candidates in the space race.

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<v Speaker 1>A documentary film crew even followed their every move. It

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of like an early version of a reality

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<v Speaker 1>show which one would make it to space. Not quite

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<v Speaker 1>The Bachelor, but you know what I mean. Helen Sharman's

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<v Speaker 1>a research technologist for a confectionery firm and is already

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<v Speaker 1>used to comments about her being the woman from Mars.

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<v Speaker 1>I know we have to be fit, we have to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to run the Russian language. So I have

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to be perhapsing scientists fell in sextus annually. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I've got it now. Helen is pretty understaid.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, I would say she's quite tipathy British. She's

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<v Speaker 1>not like US Americans, always saying we are the best

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<v Speaker 1>at everything. But she had done pretty damn well to

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<v Speaker 1>get to this stage. Thirteen thousand people had applied, and

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<v Speaker 1>now she's just one of four. He only obstacle. Three

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<v Speaker 1>other equally determined to spurring astronauts or four have the

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<v Speaker 1>same ambition to join the Juno mission. They were tested

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<v Speaker 1>and tested, intelligence, reasoning power, how they work under pressure.

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<v Speaker 1>They asked Helen about her motivations. Why she was doing

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<v Speaker 1>this money, fame, the good of science, the thawing of

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<v Speaker 1>East West relations. This was, after all, a rare opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>for people from the West to go behind the Iron

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<v Speaker 1>Curtain to experience a slice of the Soviet way of life.

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<v Speaker 1>Helen thought about these questions for a while, and in

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<v Speaker 1>the end she answered, honestly, after doing all this work,

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<v Speaker 1>all these tests, and getting excited, she just wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>go to space, blast off in a rocket, see the

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<v Speaker 1>Earth from above. Just like me. She had been bitten

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<v Speaker 1>by the space bug from starting out, not really believing

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<v Speaker 1>that space was for someone like her. Now it was

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<v Speaker 1>all she could think about and it was almost within reach.

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<v Speaker 1>The final announcement was made in the Science Museum in London.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a big sort of glitzy TV show and

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<v Speaker 1>we were being encouraged to tryand and be terribly excited.

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<v Speaker 1>Helen isn't really one for the cameras or glitz and glamour,

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<v Speaker 1>so she isn't really feeling it. She's sitting there just

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<v Speaker 1>trying to remember what to do if they call her name,

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<v Speaker 1>and trying not to think about how many people are

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<v Speaker 1>watching at home. Helen Charmotte. When day and asked my name,

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<v Speaker 1>I just knew I had to stand up, go to

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<v Speaker 1>the stage, shake hands, turned to face the cameras, smile

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<v Speaker 1>a lot. And it was only really when the whole

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<v Speaker 1>thing finished when I could relaxing people. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>train with the cosmonauts and it could really start to

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<v Speaker 1>sink in them. Helen was off to train for eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>months with a team of cosmonauts for omission to the

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<v Speaker 1>Mere Space Station, the Soviet's most advanced piece of space technology.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a huge floating network of tubes and wires in

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<v Speaker 1>orbit around the Earth where multiple cosmonauts can live, work

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<v Speaker 1>and perform experiments. Helen had forty eight hours to pack

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<v Speaker 1>up her life and move to the Soviet Union. I

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<v Speaker 1>had to resign from my job. I closed for the

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<v Speaker 1>Moscow winter. Eighteen months in Moscow. She was going to

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<v Speaker 1>need a thick coat and sell my car. You know

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<v Speaker 1>all that. She even got her affairs in order in

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<v Speaker 1>case she died in training or on her emission, the

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<v Speaker 1>arrange power of attorney. It was before internet banking, before

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<v Speaker 1>the internet as we know it now, no emails, no

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<v Speaker 1>mobile phones. It was all very very weird, a feeling

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<v Speaker 1>of being cut off, I think, very much from everything

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<v Speaker 1>that's had known in the UK. For Helen, the Soviet

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<v Speaker 1>Union was very much an alien land. It fell very

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<v Speaker 1>exotic and very very exciting. It was going to some

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<v Speaker 1>other world. Really. Helen had grown up in the nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventies where we were told that the Soviets were all

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<v Speaker 1>nasty and they were going to come in Boma country

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<v Speaker 1>with new clibombs. So she was already nervous. Then in

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<v Speaker 1>November nineteen eighty nine, just as she's preparing to leave

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<v Speaker 1>everything she knows. She hears this news from ABC This

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<v Speaker 1>is World News Tonight with Peter Jennings reporting tonight from

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<v Speaker 1>Berlin from the Berlin Wall specifically, take a look at them.

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<v Speaker 1>They've been there since last night. They are here in

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<v Speaker 1>the thousands, They are here in the tens of thousands.

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<v Speaker 1>The Berlin Wall was coming down. Thousands and thousands of

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<v Speaker 1>West Germans come to make the point that the wall

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<v Speaker 1>has suddenly become irrelevant. Earlier that summer, a peaceful revolution

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<v Speaker 1>began in East Berlin calling for more freedom, and finally,

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<v Speaker 1>on the night of November ninth, the checkpoints were overrun

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<v Speaker 1>and the gates of the wall were swung wide. For

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<v Speaker 1>the hapless East German border guards at Checkpoint Charlie, they

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<v Speaker 1>were swamped. They simply gave up, opened the gate and

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<v Speaker 1>allowed thousands through the one crossing point that had remained

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<v Speaker 1>firmly closed. The news was beamed across the globe in

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<v Speaker 1>deep indimenticab Checkpoint Charlie day, the government of East Germany

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<v Speaker 1>announced that its borders are open for Helen's family and friends.

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<v Speaker 1>It was worrying, would it be dangerous going to Moscow

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<v Speaker 1>at this totally uncertain time, and I expected a sort

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<v Speaker 1>of harsh exterior, perhaps people who were a bit secretive,

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<v Speaker 1>people who didn't want to share much. But Helen was determined.

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<v Speaker 1>She realized not only did she have the chance to

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<v Speaker 1>become a cosmonaut, but she could find out what was

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<v Speaker 1>really happening behind the iron curtain that's coming up after

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<v Speaker 1>the break. Star City, the secret cosmonaut training facility. I

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<v Speaker 1>remember arriving there in two thousand and two for my

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<v Speaker 1>very first days of training. They shipped me out there

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<v Speaker 1>in the dead of night, to a place about twenty

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<v Speaker 1>miles north of Moscow, in the middle of a forest.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a place that until the nineties was completely

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<v Speaker 1>off the map. It felt like I was arriving at

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<v Speaker 1>the Russian version of Area fifty one. When you get there,

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<v Speaker 1>there are these huge iron gates and guards standing there.

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<v Speaker 1>Helen remembers the same thing soldiers with their guns at

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<v Speaker 1>the gates and bobbed while around the edge of Star City.

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<v Speaker 1>But once you got inside the walls of Star City,

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<v Speaker 1>I remember it had the feel of kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>movie set, cut off from the rest of the Soviet Union.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a bank, shops, a movie theater, a railway,

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<v Speaker 1>station sports fields. But if that sounds quaint, it wasn't.

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<v Speaker 1>All the buildings were gray Brutalis blocks, and let me

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<v Speaker 1>tell you, on a cloudy day, the whole place felt

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<v Speaker 1>pretty bleak. But there also was this big sense of community.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody knew everybody because the only people allowed to live

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<v Speaker 1>there were cosmonauts and their families. The fact that there

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<v Speaker 1>were customauts wool king around who I'd read about and

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<v Speaker 1>who I could see in space magazines, and something that

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<v Speaker 1>I was cute in the post office behind them. Helen

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<v Speaker 1>was star struck. But before she could meet her heroes

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<v Speaker 1>and her future crew, she had to train. Training to

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<v Speaker 1>be a cosmonaut is one of the hardest things I

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<v Speaker 1>have ever done, no doubt about it, more physically and

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<v Speaker 1>mentally grueling than any INSYNCT world tour. And those were rough.

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<v Speaker 1>Days of Star City started at about five am. First

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<v Speaker 1>on the schedule was a Russian language class taught by

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<v Speaker 1>a teacher that only spoke French and Russian. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta say Russian. It's not easy. In fact, Russian

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<v Speaker 1>is one of the most difficult languages in the world

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<v Speaker 1>to learn. I didn't even know that I had to

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<v Speaker 1>learn a whole new alphabet. I mean it took me

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<v Speaker 1>six months to learn Jagabaru, Pruskin and noshka, which means

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<v Speaker 1>I speak Russian a little. And that's before we even

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<v Speaker 1>started the physical training. There's not so much about running marathons,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's building up good muscle strength in general fitness.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Helen's doing that thing we call British understatement

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<v Speaker 1>again because the training it's brutal. We had this machine

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<v Speaker 1>which is meant to recreate what it feels like when

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<v Speaker 1>your rocket is returning to earth. They strapped me into

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<v Speaker 1>a chair, spun me around. I got up to five

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<v Speaker 1>g's which is basically like a grand piano being pressed

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<v Speaker 1>into your chest. Then there was the weightlifting, working so

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<v Speaker 1>hard I was puking like every five minutes. And I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't even told you what happened in the woods. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>they would just leave you there after a long run

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<v Speaker 1>and say, okay, enjoy your night. And I had to

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<v Speaker 1>build a shelter and start a fire and find food

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<v Speaker 1>all on my own in the deep dark depths of

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<v Speaker 1>a Russian forest. Then there was the technical stuff, which

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<v Speaker 1>you had to totally learn from scratch as to navigation ballistics.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically the theory of flying really freaking fast through space,

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<v Speaker 1>and all of us in Russian. One thing I found

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<v Speaker 1>out pretty quickly was that they weren't going to make

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<v Speaker 1>any distinctions between the train cosmonauts and us newbies. Every

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<v Speaker 1>member of the crew would have responsibilities. I was in

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<v Speaker 1>charge of oxygen on the soils, and so I had

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<v Speaker 1>to know exactly how much air was needed to keep

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<v Speaker 1>my crew made safe. I had to calculate all of

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<v Speaker 1>this in my head. And did I mention all of

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<v Speaker 1>this was in Russian. Yeah, if you were even a

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<v Speaker 1>point off, everyone was dead. Because so much can go

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<v Speaker 1>wrong with space travel, we were always having to learn

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<v Speaker 1>what you should do in the event of a disaster.

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<v Speaker 1>So some simple things, for instance, say the radio might

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<v Speaker 1>not work, what if you can't speak to ground control?

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<v Speaker 1>But there could be something else more complex, like what

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<v Speaker 1>if your spaceship fails to land on the station? What

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<v Speaker 1>the hell do you do? Then? What if the electricity

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<v Speaker 1>cuts out or one of your fellow crew goes on

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<v Speaker 1>a spacewalk and never comes back. So together we would

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<v Speaker 1>work through that. Now, that's the kind of thing that

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<v Speaker 1>we did in the simulators, and you would practice and

0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:57.680
<v Speaker 1>practice and practice, and it really was a case of

0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:01.160
<v Speaker 1>practice makes perfect. Years and years of Soviet missions to

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<v Speaker 1>space meant that if anything went wrong, there was always

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<v Speaker 1>a go to answer. These scenarios are often written down

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<v Speaker 1>as well. It's part of our manuals, so we don't

0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:12.960
<v Speaker 1>have to remember everything. We just have to remember which

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<v Speaker 1>page we've got to quickly moved to for Plan B

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<v Speaker 1>or Plan and C instead of Plan A. After months

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<v Speaker 1>in Star City, Helen started to believe in herself. She

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<v Speaker 1>was strong, she knew a bit more Russian than I did,

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<v Speaker 1>and she knew how to save the spaceship from disaster.

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<v Speaker 1>And eventually, in the summer of nineteen ninety she was

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<v Speaker 1>ready to meet her crew, the famous cosmonauts, the guys

0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:40.320
<v Speaker 1>she had been standing behind in the post office. The

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<v Speaker 1>commander of her mission would be Anatoly Artabaski, and she

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<v Speaker 1>would also ride with an engineer, the hero of the

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<v Speaker 1>Salud seven rescue, sarage Crecovat. Sagey starts off when you

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<v Speaker 1>meet him. He is a very modest kind of character,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's very strong internally, but he's not the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of person who would be the loudest in the room

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<v Speaker 1>by any stretch of the imagination. You could probably go

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<v Speaker 1>into a room. Unless he's standing up, he's quite tall,

0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:11.760
<v Speaker 1>but if he was sitting down, you probably could go

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<v Speaker 1>pass without even noticing him because he's not shouting, he's

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<v Speaker 1>not waving his arms around, so you know, his presence

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<v Speaker 1>just sort of creptopotomy. Helen says, there's this thing you

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<v Speaker 1>need to understand about cosmonauts. All the cosmonauts have chosen

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<v Speaker 1>in many respects. We're all quite similar fairly, I would say,

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<v Speaker 1>even tempered, so not too excitable, not too depressive. But

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah Gay stood out. I think Sagey has got a

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<v Speaker 1>particularly high propensity to deal with stress. He's just outwardly

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<v Speaker 1>very calm. He probably deals with it all inside, but

0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:48.640
<v Speaker 1>he does deal with it soon. She was being invited

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<v Speaker 1>to his house to meet his family, and of course,

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<v Speaker 1>the first time that any British person goes to a

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<v Speaker 1>Soviet house for dinner, you think this enormous amount of food, Wow,

0:18:56.119 --> 0:18:58.320
<v Speaker 1>it's this amazing, and then you're offered more and more

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<v Speaker 1>and more. You think, thank you very much, that was

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<v Speaker 1>it's just really feeling super full. That's great, and then

0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:08.040
<v Speaker 1>they say, oh, now it's the main course. I can

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<v Speaker 1>tell you what Helen says about the Russians. Is true,

0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:13.360
<v Speaker 1>they love to feed you and they like to get

0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:16.960
<v Speaker 1>a drunk on vaca. But the generosity Helen experienced in

0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:21.440
<v Speaker 1>Saragey's house also made her think, I know they were

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<v Speaker 1>very well off compared to the average Soviet citizen at

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<v Speaker 1>that time. I certainly was aware of the difficulty of

0:19:28.960 --> 0:19:32.880
<v Speaker 1>many of them. The queues I hate, standing in lines

0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:35.720
<v Speaker 1>I hated, and some of the hunger that was going around,

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<v Speaker 1>some of the homelessness as well. In Moscow. It caused

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<v Speaker 1>the average Russian a full day's pay for a pound

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<v Speaker 1>of meat at the private markets. And then compared to

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<v Speaker 1>the relatively good standard of living in Star City, and

0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:48.800
<v Speaker 1>the fact that I could go to a canteen rude.

0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:52.080
<v Speaker 1>Star City has looked curious by Soviet standards. The diet

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<v Speaker 1>calculated by scientists to give them and eat my breakfast,

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<v Speaker 1>lunch and dinner there, and so could the other cosmonauts

0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:00.560
<v Speaker 1>without having to worry about where is that food coming from?

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<v Speaker 1>That was a real luxury because in the rest of

0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:07.320
<v Speaker 1>the country people were starving, women and children were sleeping

0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:10.000
<v Speaker 1>in Moscow's railway stations. So what do you do now,

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<v Speaker 1>go into I don't even know what I can do,

0:20:12.880 --> 0:20:14.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to have to go back to the train

0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:17.480
<v Speaker 1>station and spend the night there. Thirty two million Russians

0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:20.600
<v Speaker 1>now found themselves below the poverty line. So only one

0:20:20.640 --> 0:20:23.919
<v Speaker 1>in six families has a telephone, only one in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four owns a car. The quality of most things people

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<v Speaker 1>can buy here is third rate. Helen heard about all

0:20:37.800 --> 0:20:40.000
<v Speaker 1>of this from the Western media and her friends from

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<v Speaker 1>back home. She knew about the collapse of the Soviet economy,

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<v Speaker 1>and she also knew about President Gorbachev and about how

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<v Speaker 1>he was trying to change the Soviet Union. So in England,

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<v Speaker 1>in the UK, we'd got these two Russian words, and

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<v Speaker 1>Glasnost and pedestroca. We talked a little bit about this

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<v Speaker 1>in episode to Glasnost generally just means openness and pedestroika

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<v Speaker 1>means rebuilding, and they became synonymous with what Gorbutof was

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<v Speaker 1>trying to do. He was being more open with the West.

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<v Speaker 1>We liked Glasnost and we liked paristroika in the West,

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<v Speaker 1>and here was a chance to ask actual Soviets what

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<v Speaker 1>they thought. And so she started going up to the

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<v Speaker 1>cosmonauts in Star City, What do you think about these

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<v Speaker 1>reforms of glasnost of pedestroika, And the response I got

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<v Speaker 1>was a bit of a blank. What's odd? I don't

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<v Speaker 1>people don't normally kind of sort of stum upon me

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<v Speaker 1>when I'm asking them questions and they say, what do

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<v Speaker 1>you mean? She replied, well, you know, I mean like

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<v Speaker 1>society opening up what President Gorbachev was trying to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Aren't we open? We thought we were being quite open

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<v Speaker 1>with you. And what about pedestroika rebuilding? Well, but rebuilding

0:21:50.840 --> 0:21:52.800
<v Speaker 1>the school down the road. Isn't that's a good thing,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't it? The political connotations to these two words just

0:21:57.520 --> 0:22:02.160
<v Speaker 1>weren't used in the Soviet Union. This made Helen realize

0:22:02.720 --> 0:22:06.280
<v Speaker 1>everything she thought about the Soviet Union was wrong. That

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<v Speaker 1>people in Star City, people like Serage Kreklov cosmonauts, they

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<v Speaker 1>actually liked their lives because their lives were relatively quite

0:22:16.760 --> 0:22:20.399
<v Speaker 1>good and relatively quite stable. They liked the way that

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<v Speaker 1>they worked and the way that they lived. They weren't

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<v Speaker 1>aware of any other way to do that, and they

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<v Speaker 1>were very happy with that. And I kind of, I

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<v Speaker 1>suppose I'd always assumed that they would always be trying

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<v Speaker 1>to live more like the life in the West was.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course they weren't. They were very happy with

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<v Speaker 1>their lives, happy with their lives and proud to be

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<v Speaker 1>part of the Soviet space program, the most revered men

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<v Speaker 1>and the Soviet Union revered and rewarded with comfortable houses,

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<v Speaker 1>food and a good life. The only problem is that

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<v Speaker 1>comfortable life, the one enjoyed by Soviet cosmonauts since the

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<v Speaker 1>age of Uriga Gerin it was in serious jeopardy. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's now April nineteen ninety one and the three cosmonauts Sarage, Helen,

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<v Speaker 1>and Anatoli are finally ready ready to go to space.

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<v Speaker 1>They leave Star City by military plane and three hours

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<v Speaker 1>later they start their descent to Bikanir, the secret city

0:23:28.040 --> 0:23:31.040
<v Speaker 1>in the desert where the Soviets launched their rockets. From

0:23:31.160 --> 0:23:34.800
<v Speaker 1>Helen clings to her seat. Bikenore is everything she pictured,

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<v Speaker 1>the closest thing on Earth to a Star Wars planet,

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<v Speaker 1>with great hangars and domes jutting out of the reddish

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<v Speaker 1>brown Earth, and the cosmonauts are going to have to

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<v Speaker 1>spend two weeks there in quarantine. They need to make

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<v Speaker 1>sure that they're not carrying any viruses into the space station.

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<v Speaker 1>Then they have to go through a series of strange rituals,

0:23:53.840 --> 0:23:56.080
<v Speaker 1>rituals that go back to the very early days of

0:23:56.160 --> 0:24:01.440
<v Speaker 1>Soviet space travel. There's a huge number of very traditional

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<v Speaker 1>things that we do before the space flights itself. On

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<v Speaker 1>the day, you wake up whichever bedroom you'd be sleeping,

0:24:07.880 --> 0:24:11.080
<v Speaker 1>and you sign the door. Your signature goes on the

0:24:11.119 --> 0:24:13.199
<v Speaker 1>door of that room. Goodnessays what they've done with all

0:24:13.200 --> 0:24:16.879
<v Speaker 1>these doors. They must be jampactful of signatures. But the

0:24:16.920 --> 0:24:20.160
<v Speaker 1>signatures are only the first part of the ritual. Next,

0:24:20.160 --> 0:24:24.280
<v Speaker 1>the cosmonauts watch a movie. Picture the scene Helen, Sergei

0:24:24.359 --> 0:24:27.840
<v Speaker 1>and Anatolie all gathered around on this little sofa from

0:24:27.880 --> 0:24:31.600
<v Speaker 1>movie night, maybe eating some popcorn or probably more like

0:24:31.680 --> 0:24:35.159
<v Speaker 1>sunflower seeds. And what was the movie White Sun in

0:24:35.200 --> 0:24:37.840
<v Speaker 1>the Desert. I think it's called to some sort of comedy,

0:24:38.400 --> 0:24:42.240
<v Speaker 1>White Sun in the Desert, very Russian Harley sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>me the parents, But you know anyway, Then the next

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<v Speaker 1>day they get up early, get into their spacesuits, they

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<v Speaker 1>get on a bus to the launch site, and then

0:24:50.520 --> 0:24:54.159
<v Speaker 1>comes another ritual. Your Gagarin forgot to go to the

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<v Speaker 1>loo before he went to the rocket, so he needed

0:24:56.680 --> 0:24:58.640
<v Speaker 1>to get out of the bus and have a pee

0:24:58.640 --> 0:25:01.720
<v Speaker 1>on the back wheels, so you will do that. That's right,

0:25:01.960 --> 0:25:04.159
<v Speaker 1>because Juriga Garan forgot to take a leak before his

0:25:04.240 --> 0:25:07.720
<v Speaker 1>flight into space in nineteen sixty one. Every cosmonaut who

0:25:07.760 --> 0:25:10.320
<v Speaker 1>flies in the Soviet Union still has to do this,

0:25:11.040 --> 0:25:14.240
<v Speaker 1>although Helen actually didn't. She's a woman, remember, and she'd

0:25:14.240 --> 0:25:19.720
<v Speaker 1>have to take her space suit off. Finally, bathroom bregg Dunn.

0:25:20.080 --> 0:25:22.960
<v Speaker 1>They head to the launch site. There's a television on

0:25:23.000 --> 0:25:25.720
<v Speaker 1>the bus where they watch video messages from Saragei and

0:25:25.760 --> 0:25:29.720
<v Speaker 1>Anatoli's kids. Anatole's little boy tells them, pity you won't

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<v Speaker 1>be here this summer. Goodbye. And then there there in

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<v Speaker 1>front of the rocket, a rocket plastered with two flags,

0:25:38.080 --> 0:25:41.080
<v Speaker 1>one for Great Britain the Union Jack and the other

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<v Speaker 1>for the Soviet Union the Hammer and Sickle. They climb

0:25:44.760 --> 0:25:48.000
<v Speaker 1>the still stairs and get in the elevator. Up and

0:25:48.200 --> 0:25:50.879
<v Speaker 1>up they travel to the top of the rocket to

0:25:51.040 --> 0:25:57.080
<v Speaker 1>their capsule. I was sitting on the right hand side,

0:25:57.320 --> 0:26:00.080
<v Speaker 1>and the commander toleh he had their middle seat, and

0:26:00.200 --> 0:26:03.320
<v Speaker 1>Sigay had this seat on the left. And the hatch

0:26:03.359 --> 0:26:07.000
<v Speaker 1>door closes and that's it, just the three of them,

0:26:07.200 --> 0:26:10.439
<v Speaker 1>all totally focused on the job at hand. The launch,

0:26:11.000 --> 0:26:13.639
<v Speaker 1>the docking, and what they need to do when they

0:26:13.640 --> 0:26:17.199
<v Speaker 1>get to the station. After what seems like an age,

0:26:17.240 --> 0:26:21.399
<v Speaker 1>they feel it, the rumble, the shaking, the rockets start

0:26:21.440 --> 0:26:24.400
<v Speaker 1>to fire, the rookie t engines fire. It takes well

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<v Speaker 1>for the thrust to build up one second, two seconds,

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<v Speaker 1>three seconds, probably tens of seconds before the thrust bills

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<v Speaker 1>up enough. Ten seconds of waiting, neither off the ground

0:26:35.680 --> 0:26:38.880
<v Speaker 1>nor attached. If the thrust bills up enough to lift

0:26:38.880 --> 0:26:41.240
<v Speaker 1>you off the ground. But as they wait in this

0:26:41.280 --> 0:26:44.440
<v Speaker 1>in between state, about to sever gravity's hold on them,

0:26:44.840 --> 0:26:47.960
<v Speaker 1>to break the tether with Earth, something at the back

0:26:47.960 --> 0:26:51.560
<v Speaker 1>of their mind, something completely out of their control, keeps

0:26:51.560 --> 0:27:00.879
<v Speaker 1>intruding on their thoughts. What are they leaving behind? Because

0:27:00.920 --> 0:27:04.800
<v Speaker 1>away from the rocket, beyond the Kazakh Desert, outside the

0:27:04.800 --> 0:27:09.200
<v Speaker 1>guarded walls of Star City, the Soviet Union is beginning

0:27:09.359 --> 0:27:17.080
<v Speaker 1>to break down. It covered it all across East Europe.

0:27:17.240 --> 0:27:19.919
<v Speaker 1>That searched Memen again. He was the New York Times

0:27:19.960 --> 0:27:23.600
<v Speaker 1>Moscow correspondent who was hungry a few years ago. This

0:27:23.800 --> 0:27:27.520
<v Speaker 1>march could not have taken place Czechoslovakia. People were standing

0:27:27.520 --> 0:27:30.080
<v Speaker 1>on the roofs above. Whence the fast Square. An hour

0:27:30.200 --> 0:27:33.840
<v Speaker 1>before today's demonstration in Romania used the army is now

0:27:33.960 --> 0:27:36.240
<v Speaker 1>firmly on the side of the people. Poland. I spent

0:27:36.320 --> 0:27:39.040
<v Speaker 1>a lot of time in Poland the euphoria over the

0:27:39.080 --> 0:27:42.959
<v Speaker 1>collapse of communism, as it was a period when Gorbatov's

0:27:43.240 --> 0:27:49.720
<v Speaker 1>reforms just swept through the former Soviet Empire. The latest

0:27:49.720 --> 0:27:53.880
<v Speaker 1>surge in the tide sweeping eastern Europe, demanding communist heads

0:27:53.920 --> 0:27:58.200
<v Speaker 1>and knocked down wall after wall. In the old days

0:27:58.280 --> 0:28:02.360
<v Speaker 1>when people protested the vie sin in tanks, but Gorbchef

0:28:02.400 --> 0:28:06.320
<v Speaker 1>was all about freedom, and so we said, go ahead, protest,

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<v Speaker 1>take to the streets, and people did in the millions.

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<v Speaker 1>That was at the Hungarian border when people started flooding across.

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<v Speaker 1>I was in Prague when hundreds of thousands of people

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<v Speaker 1>went out to wed Sislas Square and jangled their keys,

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<v Speaker 1>a dissidence and becoming much more confident, which was assigned.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the keys are gone and the doors are open.

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<v Speaker 1>R if the freedom had been getting loud a here

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<v Speaker 1>all week, there was a feeling of change in the

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<v Speaker 1>air and the Soviet system. The main glue had been fear,

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<v Speaker 1>the thing that held people in check and enthralled. Then

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<v Speaker 1>now the fear was gone. What I think nobody understood

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<v Speaker 1>was that this was a system built on repression, that

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<v Speaker 1>if you loosen one grew, they're all going to start loosening,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you can't hold this thing together. The empire

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<v Speaker 1>was rap would lead disintegrating. So as the cosmonauts took off,

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<v Speaker 1>they knew what they were leaving. They knew that they

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<v Speaker 1>were leaving a country that was in deep into Surrey,

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<v Speaker 1>in deep in existential crisis. That's next time on the

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<v Speaker 1>Last Soviet. The Last Soviet is a Kaleidoscope production in

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