Speaker 1: What's up, friends, and welcome into week eleven Buy selling
Speaker 1: Trade right here on Fantasy Pros. It is the Fantasy
Speaker 1: Football Podcast. I'm Chris Welsh. That is Andrew Erickson. No
Speaker 1: worm today when dad's away, the kids played. I think
Speaker 1: that's what they say. We will try to keep things
Speaker 1: under control. When we don't have our leader putting us
Speaker 1: in the right direction. We might talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about Jalen Waddle. Yes, if you followed me and ericson
Speaker 1: and are Shenanigans over on Vetting Pros. This week, we
Speaker 1: got some Monday night football to talk about, and we
Speaker 1: have got running backs buy sell in trade. That's right.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be talking about the guys we got to
Speaker 1: get the ones we got to throw out, and we've
Speaker 1: also got some buy sell holds just called debates there
Speaker 1: at the end, mister Andrew Erickson, buddy, you and I
Speaker 1: were all in. Are We've been going down with the
Speaker 1: Titanic dolphinship. As we have said, we had that great
Speaker 1: gift shout out to Darth nug our Boy on the
Speaker 1: Fantasy Pros discord. We were all in on Monday Night
Speaker 1: football for Jalen Wattle ladders. We got fifty five yards
Speaker 1: on the first drive two legs of the ladder. Unfortunately
Speaker 1: legs were cut off. After that, we did not hit
Speaker 1: the next levels. I missed. I think I had three
Speaker 1: other levels to go. I missed the rest of those.
Speaker 1: What do we do with ourselves when we go all
Speaker 1: in on Jalen Waddle and they just PuF They poofed
Speaker 1: the offense poofed for us.
Speaker 2: Yep, you go back to the process, right. We try
Speaker 2: not to be super results driven. We're all about the
Speaker 2: process here on fannay Spro's on betting Pros, and the
Speaker 2: process was sound. They were going out of their way
Speaker 2: to target Jalen Waddle. Two was thrown at the Wattle
Speaker 2: when he was covered, which is why he was getting intercepted,
Speaker 2: but he was also targeting Jalen Wattle.
Speaker 3: I kind of knew it was over when.
Speaker 2: Wattle had to drop just a very easy catch that
Speaker 2: he just flat out dropped, and I kind of it
Speaker 2: was on the replay, looked like he said, oh, like
Speaker 2: the lights were in my eyes. So first it's the
Speaker 2: sun in guys eyes, and now it's the lights in
Speaker 2: people's eyes. We got to figure should we wear sunglasses?
Speaker 3: Get the visor?
Speaker 1: JANDL Wattle, those old school advisors.
Speaker 2: The advisor so that the light is no longer eyes.
Speaker 2: You can make these catches. But look obviously start out
Speaker 2: great for Janallen Wattle. Disappointing. Disappointing overall, kind of for
Speaker 2: the Dolphins skill players. I get they ended up winning
Speaker 2: the game because the Rams could not find the end zone.
Speaker 2: All they did was just tick field goals every single
Speaker 2: time they seem to get close to scoring. So for me,
Speaker 2: I guess I want to post a question to you,
Speaker 2: wel Dolphins rest of season? Are we buying are we
Speaker 2: trying to get? I mean, Tyra Gill again cut the touchdown,
Speaker 2: but not a lot of the yardage again, just four targets.
Speaker 2: To me, the only guy on the Dolphins that I
Speaker 2: really want to hitch my wagon to is a Jan
Speaker 2: and everyone else seems kind of expendable at this point
Speaker 2: with a schedule that I don't love for the Dolphins.
Speaker 2: They're gonna be playing in colder weather, They're supposed to
Speaker 2: better at home. I get the Raiders and Patriots or
Speaker 2: some nice matchups coming up, so maybe in the short
Speaker 2: term they're okay to hold on to. But in the
Speaker 2: fantasy football playoffs, like are Dolphins gonna be winning championships.
Speaker 3: I am not super hopeful.
Speaker 1: It's a great point, and the fun with a gift,
Speaker 1: by the way, was something we talked about they made
Speaker 1: the gift that we had said that Ericson and I
Speaker 1: have been very pro like, hey, it's the best time
Speaker 1: to buy these Dolphins. They're going to explode. Da da
Speaker 1: da da da. We've been going down with this ship
Speaker 1: and it's really kind of come into a head here
Speaker 1: that Like, I think Agen's kind of a no brainer.
Speaker 1: They didn't use him enough in this game, which is
Speaker 1: just wildly crazy. Raheem Moster kind of took a lot
Speaker 1: of those receiving yards. But you know where we're at
Speaker 1: right now. I cannot get over the play calling of
Speaker 1: the Dolphins. It's crazy to me. We talked about this
Speaker 1: on Out of Bounds, the show we have on a
Speaker 1: Discord podcast that we do here on the channel, where
Speaker 1: it was like piece of po was asking who's the
Speaker 1: biggest villain so far of the fantasy football season. I
Speaker 1: said McDaniel because it's like, what happened to this offense?
Speaker 1: It's completely deteriorated too. Is it something we don't know
Speaker 1: about overall? Is it the play calling. Is it the districk?
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is overall, but like they
Speaker 1: don't throw the ball deep anymore. We also found out
Speaker 1: that Tyreek Hill has a bad risk and I think
Speaker 1: that's going to carry over Jalen, I do think this
Speaker 1: gave us a little bit of an idea into what
Speaker 1: this team could be the rest of the way. If
Speaker 1: there is some babying of Tyreek Hill, they're going to
Speaker 1: go to Wattle early and often, well maybe not often early, yes,
Speaker 1: but not often after because of the play calling. So
Speaker 1: to your original question, who do I want? I want
Speaker 1: a chance. I actually if Tyreek Hill had had a
Speaker 1: good game, I think I might have been in the
Speaker 1: cell category. I don't think you can sell Wattle at
Speaker 1: this point. So from a real what can you get
Speaker 1: for them? I don't know. Do I want to hold
Speaker 1: on to them or buy them? Not really. I could
Speaker 1: buy them super low maybe, but I don't know. I
Speaker 1: really don't know what the trade value cost is. And
Speaker 1: it's a really tough space because I think this is
Speaker 1: the week where trade deadlines are going to be ending,
Speaker 1: so people have got about a week to figure this out.
Speaker 1: I think Tyreek Hill might be the riskiest of all
Speaker 1: of them to buy because of his cost, Wattle still
Speaker 1: is dirt cheap, and I don't know. Actually, maybe you
Speaker 1: and I could see a glimpse of positivity in that
Speaker 1: he did get some early targets and maybe if they
Speaker 1: can figure out how to throw the ball in mass,
Speaker 1: that can change and work favorable for him. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's going to work super favorable for Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 1: They're really using Malik Washington more in this game. You know, JOHNA.
Speaker 1: Smith has seen that slight uptick, So I think Tyreek Kill,
Speaker 1: unfortunately for us, is kind of a cell Wattle at
Speaker 1: dirt cheap as a buye and a Chan is a
Speaker 1: really only no brainer on this team.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2: I think Hill you can still probably sell because we
Speaker 2: look at where he ends up in ECR. He's still
Speaker 2: a guy that is being ranked deside the top ten.
Speaker 2: Whether that's right or right or wrong, it's still kind
Speaker 2: of it does look wrong, but he still has the
Speaker 2: name cache A. He still did catch a touchdown, so
Speaker 2: it's not like he just went out and did absolutely nothing.
Speaker 3: I mean he almost. I think he's still scored more
Speaker 3: points and j W.
Speaker 1: Got a touchdown. I think he has like first touchdown.
Speaker 2: Because he got the touchdown. But again, besides Week one,
Speaker 2: he has really not had any big games. With two
Speaker 2: of them, he's still an older wide receiver. We knew
Speaker 2: that he probably wasn't going to repeat how efficient he
Speaker 2: was last season. And something to keep in mind about
Speaker 2: with last year, they were forced feeding him because they
Speaker 2: want to get him two thousand yards. Obviously that's no
Speaker 2: longer in play whatsoever this year, So he's banged up.
Speaker 2: If he's playing that more of that decoy role, then yes,
Speaker 2: you're gonna see, Hey, Jalen Wattle may actually end up
Speaker 2: being a better factor. But I'm not confident enough in
Speaker 2: that to go out and say, hey, like go buy
Speaker 2: jayl the waddle again, just singing it all day, and
Speaker 2: because he's on all my teams anyway, so I think
Speaker 2: he's just a hold for right now and Hill, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think that I'd be cool trying to trade him away.
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Speaker 1: going to come in the play of the players to buy.
Speaker 1: So it is running backs to buy on the high,
Speaker 1: to sell on the low, or sell on the high
Speaker 1: and buying the low, however you want to do it.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the running backs that we are going
Speaker 1: to buy for this week. We got a couple young
Speaker 1: dogs in it and Eric said, I'm gonna let you start.
Speaker 1: Which running back are you looking to buy.
Speaker 2: I'm looking to buy Tyrone Tracy, running back for the
Speaker 2: New York Giants, rookie running back. He had a great
Speaker 2: game this past week against the Carolina Panthers. It was
Speaker 2: I mean, it was essentially perfect except for up with
Speaker 2: pill yes, yes, the backbreaking fumble and overtime. He was
Speaker 2: a very emotional on the sidelines. You could see, I
Speaker 2: mean just it tears your heart out for a young
Speaker 2: player that again had a great game, had over one
Speaker 2: hundred rushing yards, scored a touchdown, trying to help his
Speaker 2: team win. Again, he was the engine of the Giants
Speaker 2: offense and to come up short there. I just want
Speaker 2: to point to how great his usage has been this season,
Speaker 2: how e fishing he has been this season. I mean,
Speaker 2: he played eighty percent of the snaps. It took one
Speaker 2: game where they didn't have Devin Singletary for him to
Speaker 2: convince the entire coaching staff and Brian Dable that hey,
Speaker 2: Tyrone Tracy is the guy in this backfield. So I
Speaker 2: think that as a player that people scooped off of
Speaker 2: the waiver wire, I still don't think that his value
Speaker 2: has quite caught up to the actual production of what
Speaker 2: he's been able to do consistently putting up one hundred
Speaker 2: plus rushing yards, averaging over five yards per carry, explosiveness.
Speaker 2: This was a guy that we loved last year. Again,
Speaker 2: he's been barely been playing running back. He used to
Speaker 2: play wide receiver at the calls level and switched the
Speaker 2: running back his final year, and now he's bowling out
Speaker 2: at running back in the NFL. So we see rookies
Speaker 2: all the time, see post bumps in terms of usage,
Speaker 2: in terms of production after their bye week, I mean,
Speaker 2: we're already seeing with Tyrone Tracy. So the fact that
Speaker 2: they go into the bye week kind of scheme things
Speaker 2: up a little bit even more For Tracy, who I
Speaker 2: think still has another level to his game based on
Speaker 2: how well he can be used as a receiver in
Speaker 2: the passing game. I think he's gonna finish the season really,
Speaker 2: really strong. So when you look at the schedule, I
Speaker 2: like it a lot. Again, they're on a bye week
Speaker 2: this week, so just another reason why, Hey, you can
Speaker 2: buy Tracy because it's not going to the Tracy manager
Speaker 2: may not see his value rest of season because hey,
Speaker 2: this week he's getting score zero points the rest of
Speaker 2: the schedule for the Giants, Buccaneers, Cowboys, Saints, Ravens, Gross Falcons,
Speaker 2: and Colts. So really I only see one matchup in
Speaker 2: there where I'm hesitant to pull the trigger on Tracy
Speaker 2: with the Baltimore Ravens. But besides that, I think it's
Speaker 2: pretty smooth sledding for Tyrone Tracy. So he is a
Speaker 2: buy for me as one of these running backs. That Again,
Speaker 2: when I was writing up the forecast this week, there
Speaker 2: were a ton of running backs I'm done with this guy,
Speaker 2: I'm ready to sell this guy, and they were all
Speaker 2: kind of in the range of a Tyrone Tracy. So
Speaker 2: I think that's the guy you should try to go after.
Speaker 2: With some of these running backs that are definitely trend
Speaker 2: in the wrong direction, I think Tyra Tracy's going in
Speaker 2: the reverse.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, an interesting one because one of the
Speaker 1: things I was going to say to you is like
Speaker 1: it's kind of tough off of a big game. Maybe
Speaker 1: it tapers down just a bit because of the fumble.
Speaker 1: A little bit of Devin Singletary in there as well,
Speaker 1: that could get into people's minds. The big value is
Speaker 1: the bye week is the hymn not playing and there
Speaker 1: is an opportunity that you could take advantage of someone
Speaker 1: that's like I got to get to the playoffs. This
Speaker 1: is the trade deadline. This is it. Maybe you can
Speaker 1: trade a little bit lower value than what it normally
Speaker 1: would cost for a back that's going to go over
Speaker 1: one hundred or something like that. But the guy and
Speaker 1: I think we might have talked about this last week.
Speaker 1: But if you remember my cell last week was Tony
Speaker 1: Pollard off of a huge volume, and that kind of
Speaker 1: fell apart this week. Do you think you could still
Speaker 1: trade Pollard to get Tracy or do you think that's
Speaker 1: too far gone because I mean, it was only one
Speaker 1: bad game with Pollard, you know, I think it is
Speaker 1: in people's brain. So, but do you think you could
Speaker 1: straight up trade Pollard not again, running back for running back?
Speaker 1: Blahlah blah. Sometimes that doesn't work. But would you do
Speaker 1: you think you can do it?
Speaker 3: I think so.
Speaker 2: I mean I have them ranked back to back in
Speaker 2: terms of my ECR Rest of season rankings, so I
Speaker 2: think they're in that same tier of running back and
Speaker 2: I think enough, yes.
Speaker 3: I would I would Okay, okay, yeah, I would do it.
Speaker 2: I have Tracy again back to back but Tracey's on
Speaker 2: top ahead of Tony Pollard because in the rest season rankings,
Speaker 2: I am trying to capture, you know, the market value
Speaker 2: of the said player. So even if I'm more down
Speaker 2: on the player, I still want to capture, Hey, what
Speaker 2: is this guy worth in a trade? Because not everyone
Speaker 2: sees Tony Pollard as a depreciating asset. Well, all of
Speaker 2: our listeners do, because you talked about it last week correctly, Welsh,
Speaker 2: that hey, it's time to sell Tony Pollard. And then
Speaker 2: every other show I listened to is like, you gotta
Speaker 2: sell Tony Pollard. So you started the end of Tony
Speaker 2: Pollard offensive avalanche, the avalanche of Tony Pollard. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I think that Tracy would be one of the byes.
Speaker 2: And again when I look at my rest season rankings,
Speaker 2: I'm able to look at tabs and it's Tracy by
Speaker 2: and then all the running backs below him are sell.
Speaker 1: Would you do you want Tracy or Brian Robinson junior rest.
Speaker 2: Of seas So this one I will still go with
Speaker 2: Brian Robinson. I have one spot ahead of Tyron Tracy,
Speaker 2: just because I think Robinson is probably even cheaper to
Speaker 2: get because he's hurt and he's missed a couple of games,
Speaker 2: but again he was my bye last week. I think
Speaker 2: both guys are good buyes. But he has a great schedule.
Speaker 2: Talked about his playoff schedule. It's rarely favorable. And something
Speaker 2: else to keep in mind is someone always try to
Speaker 2: keep in the back of my head when it comes
Speaker 2: to running backs. A lot of times we see the
Speaker 2: running backs that are the front runners in the first
Speaker 2: half of the season, they fall off in the second half.
Speaker 3: Of the season.
Speaker 2: It's just hard to keep up that type of pace
Speaker 2: when you're getting a ton of volume. I know one
Speaker 2: of the things that maybe I didn't consider enough last
Speaker 2: year was with Travis etn Right. He was a player
Speaker 2: that start out the season top five running back, was unstoppable,
Speaker 2: and he fell off in the second half, and I
Speaker 2: didn't account for that enough when I was ranking him
Speaker 2: in redraft. This season, we've obvious seen him play out
Speaker 2: where he's been a very big disappointment this year. So
Speaker 2: I know Pollard kind of looks like that type of
Speaker 2: player where hey, really strong, start starting to fall off
Speaker 2: here in the second half. And I think that when
Speaker 2: we talk about some our running backs to sell, we
Speaker 2: have some similar feelings with some running backs that may
Speaker 2: fall off in the second half as well.
Speaker 1: I'm a firm believer in this and I co sign
Speaker 1: so I'm not, you know, adding it a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of Let me ask you one more though, Tracy or
Speaker 1: DeAndre Swift? Tracy, Okay, that's right that I didn't know.
Speaker 1: I was careful. I wouldn't don't want to ask you
Speaker 1: to say another guy that wasn't Tracy, but I felt
Speaker 1: this one was too good. I mean, even in like
Speaker 1: the you know, the weekly ranks, like Swift is still
Speaker 1: out there, but that bears offense. I mean, they just
Speaker 1: fired Waldron and we really don't know what it's going
Speaker 1: to look like, and things seem to be kind of
Speaker 1: falling apart. You would assume they're going to be passing more.
Speaker 1: But Swift versus Tracy, if you were living in it's
Speaker 1: probably something more equivalent to like wide receiver running back
Speaker 1: trade for wide receiver running back. Maybe someone would value
Speaker 1: Swift a little bit more so you can get added
Speaker 1: benefit to getting Tracy and a higher wide receiver for
Speaker 1: giving Swift and a lower wide receiver. Just a little
Speaker 1: trade idea that you can do. Of course, you can
Speaker 1: use the trade analyzer to play around with all of those,
Speaker 1: So I like it all right. My running back to
Speaker 1: buy same scope, I am also taking a running back
Speaker 1: that is on by this week my bye or my
Speaker 1: running back to buy is Bucky Irving. So a couple
Speaker 1: of the young dudes. Bucky Irving coming off of a
Speaker 1: really good game against the forty nine ers, thirteen carries,
Speaker 1: seventy three yards, average around five and a half per rush,
Speaker 1: and I think the bye week is actually going to
Speaker 1: become a really important thing for them to reestablish what
Speaker 1: this backfield looks like, and I truly do believe it
Speaker 1: needs to begin will be more Bucky Irving. Fun fact,
Speaker 1: Bucky has only had less than ten touches with this
Speaker 1: team in one game all season long. In one game,
Speaker 1: he's averaging over five yards per carry and seven yards
Speaker 1: per reception. So even on the lower baseline of him
Speaker 1: getting the ten touches, you're looking at a fifty to
Speaker 1: sixty yard uptick coming off of a bye week where
Speaker 1: we could see more of an established run. You're gonna
Speaker 1: get Mike Evans back. In theory, they need to control
Speaker 1: more possession of time. He can play both sides of
Speaker 1: running and receiving. Also, by the way, he had the
Speaker 1: most misstackles in Week ten. That's just something that he
Speaker 1: does such a great job of forcing miss tackles getting
Speaker 1: yards after contact. He had two more mistackles than the
Speaker 1: next running back. And in the playbook of Andrew Ericksson
Speaker 1: on Fantasy Pro's Rest of Season Schedule Strength of Schedule
Speaker 1: number one, he is the number one for RBS in
Speaker 1: strength of schedule rest of season in favor of him,
Speaker 1: So he got a favorable matchup in general, a guy
Speaker 1: that you know, like I said, the underlying stats of
Speaker 1: he's forcing miss tackles, he's great between the offensive lineman,
Speaker 1: and he's going to help establish just more clock control.
Speaker 1: I think the carries need to uptick for Bucky Irving.
Speaker 1: He has had nine carries or more in three of
Speaker 1: the last four games. Actually, if I go through it,
Speaker 1: it's actually been five of the last six games he's
Speaker 1: had at least nine carries. And like I said, with
Speaker 1: the touches he has had every game but two, he
Speaker 1: has had two or more receptions, and he has had
Speaker 1: three or more receptions in four straight games. So he's
Speaker 1: catching the ball, he's running, he is efficient as all
Speaker 1: can be. I think this is going to slightly uptick.
Speaker 1: He had sixteen touches this past week, and he has
Speaker 1: actually gone over twelve in three of the last four.
Speaker 1: He's just such a good back. This is the type
Speaker 1: of guy you get more in the back half of
Speaker 1: the season and coming off of the bye. I think
Speaker 1: that is a major thing that is going to get
Speaker 1: established with this team. So because he is in a
Speaker 1: shared backfield and they're on buy, I think it's a
Speaker 1: prime opportunity to go get Bucky Irving for your playoff run,
Speaker 1: for that great strength of schedule. Give me some Bucky Irving.
Speaker 1: What do you think about buying It's not low, but
Speaker 1: it's just buying on a week you know where he
Speaker 1: is not in any eye. He's not helping anybody at
Speaker 1: the trade deadline. What do you think about just Bucky overall?
Speaker 2: I think he's a great pick and he's someone that
Speaker 2: I definitely strongly considered as well as a buye. Again,
Speaker 2: some of these rookie running backs, these guys are league
Speaker 2: winners at this time in the second half of the season.
Speaker 2: We see it all the time with some of these rookies,
Speaker 2: So I like that we're kind of seeing eye to
Speaker 2: eye with let's buy these rookie running backs when there's
Speaker 2: some ambiguity about you know, at least with Bucky Well,
Speaker 2: Shod White's still there, right, So you're never going to
Speaker 2: necessarily have to pay so much because Bucky Irving's not
Speaker 2: playing an eighty percent snapshare, which is so obvious to
Speaker 2: reing related to fantasy production. But what is obvious is
Speaker 2: he's the best running back on the Bucks. That is
Speaker 2: as clear as day. The schedule is not only great
Speaker 2: for running backs but for the Buccaneers overall. So I
Speaker 2: think that this is a smash spot to go after
Speaker 2: Bucky Irving Shad White. Eventually, he's just not gonna keep
Speaker 2: scoring touchdowns and an absurd clip and if he's not
Speaker 2: scoring them, who is Bucky Irving?
Speaker 3: So I love this.
Speaker 1: Call and there you go, so two running backs that
Speaker 1: are on the by So you got to get a
Speaker 1: little bit tricky and make sure you've got players that
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Speaker 1: Running backs to sell, let's jump in and oh, wouldn't
Speaker 1: you know it? We might have talked about this guy
Speaker 1: Andrew Rickson. Which running back do you want to sell?
Speaker 3: DeAndre Swift? I want to sell DeAndre Swift? I want
Speaker 3: to Honestly, you need to sell all the.
Speaker 2: Bears all You just need to get rid of every
Speaker 2: single bear except Raalmaduon's I still cam as a rookie.
Speaker 3: But besides Romadin.
Speaker 1: Dynasty not in redraft? Like what like what before you're
Speaker 1: gonna going to this which bear could you comfortably start
Speaker 1: in the coming weeks? Give me one Bear where you're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we got it.
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's still Swift, right, he's because he's starting
Speaker 2: running back. But at the same time that's why, but
Speaker 2: that's why you can trade him for something, right, Who's
Speaker 2: going to give you anything for DJ Moore?
Speaker 3: No? Nothing like no one's going.
Speaker 2: To give you anything for those So that's why I
Speaker 2: look at Swift as he still has the most value,
Speaker 2: and even if because I would expect that we see
Speaker 2: a bump in terms of usage, in terms of production
Speaker 2: of the offense now that they have fired Chaine Waldrim.
Speaker 2: We see this all the time, but it's very short
Speaker 2: term because usually what happens is, yes, they celebrate, Hey
Speaker 2: he's gone, the offense plays better, we're back, and then
Speaker 2: they go back to not being great again. Like that's
Speaker 2: usually what happens. And no team has a more difficult
Speaker 2: schedule the rest of the way than the Chicago Bears
Speaker 2: this Patriots matchup. The reason I'm talking about the Bears
Speaker 2: last week was because I thought, Okay, they're going to
Speaker 2: pop off against the Patriots, this is the opportunity to
Speaker 2: sell high. Well, they blew it. So I'm not taking
Speaker 2: any more risks with these Bears. Players rest of season.
Speaker 2: So DeAndre Swift to meet talked about this being one
Speaker 2: of the most difficult schedules the rest of the way.
Speaker 2: So Packers at home this week, Vikings at the Lions,
Speaker 2: at the forty nine, Ers at the Vikings, the Lions
Speaker 2: and the Seahawks.
Speaker 3: So unless you can.
Speaker 2: Get to the Seahawks matchup, I hate all these matchups
Speaker 2: the rest of the way for the Chicago Bears any
Speaker 2: way you look at it in the Strength of Schedule tool,
Speaker 2: whether it's for the running backs, the quarterbacks, the receivers,
Speaker 2: it's just a mess. So I think right now, considering
Speaker 2: Swift has been really strong for the majority of the
Speaker 2: first half of the season, and even against the Patriots
Speaker 2: again he's still put up a decent Statlan didn't score.
Speaker 2: But I think that maybe there'll be some more optimism
Speaker 2: about the Shane Waldron firing that you can still get
Speaker 2: a decent return on a DeAndre Swift. But the thing
Speaker 2: that Shane Waldron again, he's gone, you know. But with
Speaker 2: him being gone, you know, it doesn't change all the
Speaker 2: injuries on the Bears' offensive line. He's not the new
Speaker 2: off its accordated to the intrum. Isn't just going to
Speaker 2: come in wave his magic wand and be like, well,
Speaker 2: the offensive line is fixed, but we're good to go.
Speaker 2: I don't really see that happening. So I think for me,
Speaker 2: Deander Ship is going to be the sell high running
Speaker 2: back if you can even really sell high.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And you know, one of the things too, is
Speaker 1: like I don't think changing out the offensive coordinator is
Speaker 1: going to like completely fix Caleb Williams's tentiveness. Like, I
Speaker 1: think you have to restructure the offense. That's one of
Speaker 1: the things why he deserved to be fired. I don't
Speaker 1: think they structured this offense and the decision makings to
Speaker 1: properly account for the tentiveness of Caleb Williams. I actually
Speaker 1: talked about the on the show. If you watch Hard
Speaker 1: Knocks too, I think that maybe we just didn't see
Speaker 1: it all. But the babying of Caleb Williams like oh,
Speaker 1: guld you some coffee? Like you okay? You know, like
Speaker 1: it's just like no, like treat them like a rookie,
Speaker 1: like let's get some stuff, and like what do you think, Caleb?
Speaker 1: You know, it was a very weird situation in Hard
Speaker 1: Knocks when you watch is how Caleb was treated overall
Speaker 1: in that offense, and I don't know that you can
Speaker 1: go and kind of restructure everything at this point in
Speaker 1: the season to make everything better and fixed. Maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: Swift is probably a goods get out from It's kind
Speaker 1: of like what we talked about with the Dolphins, right
Speaker 1: It was like, hey, listen, are these guys are going
Speaker 1: to be nothing Burgers? No, But it's like, I don't
Speaker 1: think I want to go into the playoffs with these
Speaker 1: type of players that are just completely just in and out.
Speaker 1: You know, I'd almost are like Martin was running back show,
Speaker 1: but Marvin Harrison, you know, just these players that just
Speaker 1: do nothing and then show up big. The problem is
Speaker 1: the Bears have not shown up, but all Swift has
Speaker 1: had some big games. I just don't know what that
Speaker 1: running game is going to look like. If you have
Speaker 1: some running back ish depth, you know, maybe you know,
Speaker 1: Darnell Mooney. If you're pushing for another positional side like
Speaker 1: Darnell Mooney for DeAndre Swift is probably fair. If you
Speaker 1: can go higher than a Darnell Mooney, I think that's gonna,
Speaker 1: you know, feel a lot better. Maybe one of the
Speaker 1: Jets wide receivers or something like that. Assuming you're trading
Speaker 1: out of positional stuff. But I think I'm with you
Speaker 1: on that, on that cell train, the running back that
Speaker 1: I am selling and moving out from is JK. Dobbins.
Speaker 1: I feel like I have done this a couple times
Speaker 1: with mister JK. Dobbins. Going back to that strength of
Speaker 1: schedule playbook, I think something to pay attention to again,
Speaker 1: fifth worst absolute fifth worst on the books here. I
Speaker 1: think he's got a Kansas City matchup in there that's
Speaker 1: right in the middle of the playoffs. Six of his
Speaker 1: last seven games, he's averaged under four yards per carrie.
Speaker 1: We've also seen the carries tick down. What do we
Speaker 1: see this week? We saw Gus Edwards back in the fray.
Speaker 1: That's actually the scary thing because the efficiency of JK.
Speaker 1: Dobbins just not really there. Hasn't had these huge He's
Speaker 1: had a couple explosive plays, but he's not a consistently
Speaker 1: explosive guy. So the reason I point out, what is it,
Speaker 1: six of seven games averaging under four yards per carry
Speaker 1: with a few receptions. Needs volume. It's not an efficient offense.
Speaker 1: He needs volume. Gus Edwards back healthy, gave him ten carries.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that that's going to continue to play.
Speaker 1: I think he is kind of where down getting back
Speaker 1: into you know, as the season goes, all goes on. JK.
Speaker 1: Dobbins has had the brunt of everything, not much balance
Speaker 1: like we thought would have been with Gus Edwards. I
Speaker 1: think he's going to be pairing back. I think it's
Speaker 1: hard to imagine he's going to go over fourteen fifteen
Speaker 1: carries per game, gets a couple of receptions, Gus Edwards
Speaker 1: might start vulturing. I just don't like what I'm seeing
Speaker 1: out of JK. Dobbins. A schedule doesn't really speak super
Speaker 1: well to it. So I think this is a guy,
Speaker 1: maybe in the same trajectory as DeAndre Swift, of a
Speaker 1: player that I would try to move off of going
Speaker 1: into the playoffs. If you're trading running back for running back,
Speaker 1: that's a tougher question. But again, positionally, could you target
Speaker 1: you know, the Darnell Moonies of the world. There's a
Speaker 1: real possibility people are dying for running back depth out there,
Speaker 1: and I think Swift and Dobbins are at the tippy
Speaker 1: top of running backs that we're trying to sell, even
Speaker 1: though I think Pollard was a poster child. But you
Speaker 1: know that game just knocked his value down. I'm not
Speaker 1: so sure that swifter Dobbins have had a big, swiftly
Speaker 1: knockout from under them as far as their value goes.
Speaker 1: What do you think about moving off at Dobbins? You
Speaker 1: agree or disagree?
Speaker 3: I agree, Yeah, I've actually found myself.
Speaker 2: You know, Dobbins is a player that I've traded away
Speaker 2: in a couple of leagues the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: Not because I knew that Gus Edwards is going to
Speaker 2: come back, but he was a player that you know,
Speaker 2: had value, and I thought, hey, like I need to
Speaker 2: address other positions of need on my team. I'm going
Speaker 2: to sell JK. Dobbins because I have Tyrone Tracy on
Speaker 2: my bench. I have Bucky Irving on my bench because
Speaker 2: I was trying to pick up those guys, and Dobbins
Speaker 2: at the time seemed, hey, who's the most expendable player?
Speaker 3: It was JK.
Speaker 2: Dobbins, based on the schedule, based on you know, now
Speaker 2: we know that Edwards is going to be involved. The
Speaker 2: fact that it wasn't even Edwards that vultured Dobbins last
Speaker 2: week was Hassan Haskins that ended up getting the vulture touchdown,
Speaker 2: so that's problematic for him rest of seasons. So again,
Speaker 2: he's not a player that you expect to be a
Speaker 2: nothing burger, but the efficiency, like you said, the one
Speaker 2: hundred yard games haven't been there since the start of
Speaker 2: the year, and I think right now is the time
Speaker 2: to move off of Dobbins, because yes, even if his
Speaker 2: value doesn't totally hit zero, it's going to continue, I think,
Speaker 2: to kind of dip and decline until soon nobody wants JK. Dobbins,
Speaker 2: and then you're starting him because you don't have any
Speaker 2: other options when you want to be trying to buy
Speaker 2: those ascending assets like we're looking at with the Tyrone Tracys,
Speaker 2: with the Bucky Irvings, where we think their production is
Speaker 2: going to go up, where as with Pollar or excuse
Speaker 2: me Pollar, with Polar Dobbins and DeAndre Swift, we feel
Speaker 2: like their production is going to go down the rest
Speaker 2: of the season.
Speaker 1: And you know, if you could somehow push moving Swift
Speaker 1: for a Tracy and move a Dobbins to get a
Speaker 1: Bucky Irving, I don't think those are the worst things
Speaker 1: in the world of moving off of those. One of
Speaker 1: the little slight thing I would throw out is I
Speaker 1: get a lot of questions sometimes sometimes it's actually just
Speaker 1: really good to know who people are trying to move
Speaker 1: out from, even if you are not, because I know
Speaker 1: sometimes like you'll hear these guys, you're like, well, I
Speaker 1: don't have them, What does it matter? It's good to
Speaker 1: know the market value because guess what, You're going to
Speaker 1: get a trade offer in your inbox for these players,
Speaker 1: and then that is going to start Should I be
Speaker 1: making this trade? You want to know who people are
Speaker 1: moving out from, and you know that kind of give
Speaker 1: you the slick nature of maybe what they're listening to.
Speaker 1: When you start to see Dobbins and Swift in trade
Speaker 1: offers that you're like, hey, I didn't know that this
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Speaker 1: four nine five zero four zero. The debates. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about some RB debates my presence. This is always Worm's thing,
Speaker 1: So I got to steal these this week ericson Buy, Sell, hold,
Speaker 1: Nick Chubb, Tank Bigsby, Rico Dowdell. Those are the three
Speaker 1: going to buy.
Speaker 2: Nick Chubb got the Saints this week, so it's a
Speaker 2: good matchup for him out of the bye week.
Speaker 3: No, the play and the playoffs have a couple of
Speaker 3: good matchups two for him. Nick Chubb.
Speaker 2: We've talked about it as a buy on on this program,
Speaker 2: so I'm gonna continue to buy Nick Chubb. Tank Bigsby
Speaker 2: is probably going to be the cell for me. The
Speaker 2: Jaguars are not going in the right direction. They don't
Speaker 2: have Trevor Lawrence potentially, and I'm not even sure if
Speaker 2: Bigsby is the RB one in his backfield anymore. He's
Speaker 2: dealing with an ankle injury. So the one saving grace
Speaker 2: with these Jaguars was they have a couple of decent
Speaker 2: matchups in the playoffs. But now Bigsby may not be
Speaker 2: in a position to take advantage of said matchups. That
Speaker 2: being said, Rico Dawdell another player that's dealing with a
Speaker 2: lot of injuries and a team that's also going down
Speaker 2: the toilet, they actually might be a worse position than
Speaker 2: Jacksonville were all Dallas. But I feel confident Doubtle is
Speaker 2: going to be the guy that's going to least lead
Speaker 2: the backfield. They've got favorable matchups in the playoffs Bengals, Panthers,
Speaker 2: Buccaneers and the Philadelphia Eagles. And I just enough with
Speaker 2: his Ezekiel Elliott nonsense, we hit this as I.
Speaker 1: Thought we were done. When I saw him back out
Speaker 1: there getting significant carries, I was like, here we know
Speaker 1: it was the grand theft. Auto mean here we go again,
Speaker 1: Like what are we doing?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So right now? And Rico also is a player that
Speaker 2: you can start. Theoretically, you can't start Tank Bigsby here
Speaker 2: in week eleven, whereas Doubtell, Hey, he has volume, he
Speaker 2: can catch. I mean if, if anything, he's boosted in
Speaker 2: the passing game, because all Cooper Rush can do is
Speaker 2: check the ball down. So Rico will be able to
Speaker 2: be the hole for me sell Tank Bigsby and by
Speaker 2: Nick Jubb.
Speaker 1: So I agree. I think I agree with this if
Speaker 1: if Cooper Rush wasn't the quarterback, I might like buy
Speaker 1: Doubtle off of that and maybe hold Chubb. The only
Speaker 1: caveato throat is you've done this from time to time
Speaker 1: as you also consider their value, because I will take
Speaker 1: this more literal like, oh, I'm buying into this player,
Speaker 1: I'm selling off of this player. I'll just hold. But
Speaker 1: sometimes you have taken it like, well, you know this
Speaker 1: guy's value is why I want to sell him. I'm
Speaker 1: saying all that to say, like, I don't think Tank
Speaker 1: Bigsby has any value right now. The Jaguars are a disaster,
Speaker 1: a mess. Eten is out there. So the idea of
Speaker 1: like selling on Bigsby is selling to nothing. So maybe
Speaker 1: you could transform this into saying, like, you know Bigsby
Speaker 1: is the hold. Maybe you sell Chubb with you know,
Speaker 1: Jerome Ford and just overall value and you buy Rico.
Speaker 1: I think you could maybe twist it something like that,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna go with yours. I agree with yours,
Speaker 1: Like if you're just talking about the rest of season,
Speaker 1: I'm out on Tank, and I know I was the
Speaker 1: buy Tank guy. Jacksonville's a disaster. Tank doesn't play third
Speaker 1: downs Eten looks like he's ticking back up. They had
Speaker 1: that red zone, that goal line carry that was primed
Speaker 1: for Tank and it wasn't. I'm out on him. I
Speaker 1: hate the Cowboys situation. Chubb is getting more carries, so
Speaker 1: like I'm in agreement there. But you know, from the
Speaker 1: value standpoint, I mean, do you agree with that at
Speaker 1: least that like the Tank is like a nothing burger
Speaker 1: right now?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's gonna get dropped because he's playing
Speaker 2: the lines this week on the road and he's bye
Speaker 2: week and then the Texan's tight. But like that's what
Speaker 2: I mean. He has no valet and you can probably
Speaker 2: drop him in shallow leagues. Who's gonna go Who's going
Speaker 2: to run to the waiver wire to pick up Tank?
Speaker 2: Makes me noboddy? So you just have to remember to
Speaker 2: think about Hey, Week fifteen, Jets Week sixteen Raiders, think
Speaker 2: back to Tank meets me, but for the foreseeable future,
Speaker 2: for the next month, he's not really worth a lot
Speaker 2: or if anything at all.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, not all right the last one, This is a
Speaker 1: little bit of a deeper one Odric estimate. Taja Spears,
Speaker 1: Gus Edwards buy Sell Holt.
Speaker 3: Buying Adric Estime. He's taking over the backfield.
Speaker 2: Finally, Sean Payton finally follow what he was actually saying
Speaker 2: to the media for the past month, that he's gonna
Speaker 2: give us to any more touches. Even though it took
Speaker 2: it was so funny to look at back of that game.
Speaker 2: Marvin Mims was the first Broncos player to get two.
Speaker 3: Carries in that.
Speaker 2: Sean Fayn continues to just troll everybody that falls and
Speaker 2: never Broncos for fantasy football purposes in any way, shape
Speaker 2: or form. That being said, Esimate looks like the lead
Speaker 2: back at least on early downs, and I just love
Speaker 2: him as a prospect. I think that he's a good
Speaker 2: running back, so I like him getting this opportunity. Spears
Speaker 2: is probably the sell for me because he's just now
Speaker 2: eating into Tony Pollard. But I don't know if Spears
Speaker 2: is now okay, well, now he's a startuple asset. Well,
Speaker 2: he also doesn't have a great schedule that Tony Pollard
Speaker 2: also has to endure, and he also has a Tony
Speaker 2: Pollard problem, which means I don't see how productive he's
Speaker 2: going to be unless Pollard gets hurt. And then with
Speaker 2: Gus Edwards, I think I probably just hold him because
Speaker 2: again touchdown equity, he's really really cheap right now and
Speaker 2: you're probably getting him off of waivers and JK. Dobbins
Speaker 2: were to get banged up, well, then he looks like
Speaker 2: he's stepping in as the main running back for the Chargers,
Speaker 2: and at least it seems to me he might be
Speaker 2: the guy they try to use a little bit more
Speaker 2: at the goal mine. So that's how you benefit from Chargers' touchdowns,
Speaker 2: would be with with Gus Edwards. So I'm going to
Speaker 2: buy Es to MA hold Gus Edwards and sell toa
Speaker 2: Jay Spears just kind of sell the Titans backfield.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, you're kind of flipping me a little bit
Speaker 1: because my original assessment was estimate is the buy Spears
Speaker 1: is the hold and Edwards is the sell. Maybe I
Speaker 1: can't just sell all the Chargers like I'm trying to do.
Speaker 1: One of the things with Gus Edwards and why I
Speaker 1: had a caveat with JK. Dobbins was Gus Edwards and
Speaker 1: what he does of the goal line. We got how
Speaker 1: many touchdowns he has this year? No nut, he has none.
Speaker 1: He has zero touchdowns. That's forty eight carries. But he
Speaker 1: also has no touchdowns at all. That does feel like
Speaker 1: that can change. I still feel like I'm not interested
Speaker 1: from the overall value perspective in Gus Edwards, and I
Speaker 1: feel like he is going to eat into Dobbins, like
Speaker 1: Dobbins needs volume and he's kind of inefficient. Edwards is
Speaker 1: also inefficient, so it's just a bunch of inefficient facts.
Speaker 1: What I like about Spears is what he can do
Speaker 1: in the passing game, but he also just like it's
Speaker 1: too bad all of these backs are just like eating
Speaker 1: into each other and also not great offenses. I think
Speaker 1: I'm gonna lean on the side though, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: with you with estimate, because I do think there's kind
Speaker 1: of a like clay thing, like we could mold this
Speaker 1: into anything. Like he had a bunch of carries. Javonte
Speaker 1: has not worked. Maybe they'll keep going to him. I
Speaker 1: don't love the offense, so Spears as much as I'm
Speaker 1: selling on Pollard, it was more about the value of
Speaker 1: where he was at. Poller's not going to go away.
Speaker 1: I don't think Dobbins is going to go away, but
Speaker 1: I just I think it's just a bunch of you know,
Speaker 1: running backs rushing for two and a half yards all
Speaker 1: game long. So I'm gonna end it with estimates. The
Speaker 1: buy spears as the hold and Gus Edwards is the cell.
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