1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Today's Keith Urban's birthday. We love Keith, and we're gonna 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: play an episode I mean into last year. I guess. 3 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: He came over to the house, drove up in a 4 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:09,719 Speaker 1: really cool car, sat for an hour and had a 5 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 1: really personal talk. You know, played some of this on 6 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: the radio show and some of the clips, and even 7 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: the show members were like, day, I never knew all that. 8 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: So this is Keith Urban and myself talking about life 9 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:22,639 Speaker 1: for an hour. We talked about him growing up, his dad, 10 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: getting in and out of rehab, how he writes songs 11 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:28,319 Speaker 1: in a really peculiar way. I hope you enjoy it. 12 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:31,639 Speaker 1: Happy birthday to Keith Urban. And here is Keith Urban 13 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: on the Bobby Cast alright, and with Keith Urban, which 14 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 1: is Caitlin sends her best my wife. She just said, 15 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: Keith's coming over. I said, yeah. She said, tell him, 16 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: first of all, thank you for the wedding gift. You 17 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 1: sends the nicest sheets we've ever owned in our entire life. 18 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: You should, you know. I she got onto me a 19 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: little bit because you probably don't do this, but I 20 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: still have two. At times I have to spray tan. Yeah, okay. 21 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: And I got into the sheets and sprayed hand once 22 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: and she reminded me how nice of sheets they were, 23 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: and then I should never do that again. And then 24 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: you reminded her how much expensive tanning was, and it 25 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:13,199 Speaker 1: didn't work. The tanning does not really hold a candle 26 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: to the but they weren't destroyed and they all came 27 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: out wonderfully. But she said, tell him thank you, And 28 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: she had even asked, and you tell me because we 29 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: had written you and your lovely wife and thank you card, 30 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: but we thought we would just mail it instead of 31 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: handing it to you, which would have been more awkward 32 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: to hand it to you in person or just to 33 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: get it in like a normal in the mail, both 34 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: of mine. Yeah, and you could have even not send it, 35 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: but tell me that you did in the thought that 36 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: they counts. I said that to to people, and I said, hey, 37 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 1: what if I just send people a message for a 38 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: wedding gift like a video? Mesthode felt human and said that, 39 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: and I said, but everybody just roasted me like it 40 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: was the dumbest thing they had ever heard, because they 41 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: just loved the tradition of the hand. If someone sent 42 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: to me a thank you card for something, I expected 43 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: thank you card four. Yeah, I don't feel like it 44 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: means as much if I get a thank you card 45 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: for something I don't expect to thank you. Absolutely that's awesome, 46 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: I hear you. Yeah, it's it's a complicated etiquette, isn't it? 47 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: Is this back home? Is it so? Etiquette back in 48 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: like Australia, New Zealand is a dumb American thing where 49 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: we have this, you know? Is this? Is this the 50 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 1: thing there with after if someone gets married. Back in 51 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: New Zealand, I had to learn the whole thing about 52 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: thank you gods. And because I didn't grow out with 53 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: any of that, I think my family was not that 54 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: etiquette at all. Etiquette that were not at all. I 55 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 1: I had to learn the hard way here that you're 56 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 1: right thank you notes to people. That was that was 57 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 1: completely far into me. I remember once you were kind 58 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: enough to invite me over to your place. It was 59 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: a Christmas and we were in Australia and he said, hey, 60 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: you should come over, and I was talking to you 61 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: about music in Australia New Zealand and country music in particular. 62 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: I was like, what is country music like here? And 63 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: you you had kind of expressed to me that country 64 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: music there is kind of am like, it's a different 65 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: kind of homebred, folksy country in Australia. That's some of 66 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: the the American version is getting over there, but it's 67 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: hard to find country music on the radio in Australia. Well, 68 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: the struggle for Australian country artists is there isn't the 69 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: big mainstream infrastructure that there is here in America. You know, 70 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: here we have FM country stations everywhere, get satellite radio, 71 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: you've got multiple video platforms. This is even preceding YouTube 72 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: with CMT and and g a C. None of that 73 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: existed in Australia. So there was a lot of country 74 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: out us wanting to make more mainstream sounding country music, 75 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: but there wasn't the platforms for it. And to some 76 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: degree that's still a struggle there. So how growing up 77 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: there did you attach yourself to the thought of country 78 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: music and that that's the kind of music you wanted 79 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 1: to make, or were you naturally just making it and 80 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: it was the most organic place for you to fit 81 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: musically here? It well, I mean Nashville was just the 82 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: destination because why why why was it the destination? It 83 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: was written on the back of all the records that 84 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: my dad had um Don Williams mostly and Glenn Campbell, 85 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: Charlie Pride, Merle Hagged. All of those records all sit 86 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 1: on the back of them. Recorded Nashville, Tennessee. So as 87 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: a kid, I'm like, oh, that's where you go to 88 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: make records period. I just thought that's where you go 89 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: if you want to make a record. But how did 90 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 1: your dad get so involved in music from Nashville? Because 91 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: not not at all was from Nashville. You're talking about 92 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: country music, like other than Bob Dylan, Nashville Skyline, you know, 93 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: there's there weren't a lot of I don't know if 94 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 1: pop would be the word or Nashville wasn't big unless 95 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: it was country American. How did your dad get involved 96 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 1: in that scene? Musically? So, in the fifties he was 97 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 1: playing in a band. In the fifties he was a 98 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: drummer and he played the band called Ricochets in New 99 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: Zealand and in the fifties. Rock and roll happened in 100 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: the mid fifties right, so made its way down in 101 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: his the island. My dad got obsessed with rock and 102 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: roll and consequently American movies, American cars. We always had 103 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: American cars growing up. Which is crazy in Australia, and 104 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 1: he was just in love with America and he loved 105 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: rock and roll in the fifties, all through the sixties, 106 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,239 Speaker 1: and then in the late sixties when rock and roll 107 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: kind of went in a in a bigger, kind of 108 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: different direction than I mean, the origins of rock and 109 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: roll is really rockabilly, you know. There was there was 110 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: a country element in early rock and roll. So when 111 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: rock then became more rock as we knew it through 112 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: the sixties seventies, my dad went, that's kind of a 113 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 1: little too hard for me. And here's the connection. There 114 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: was a group called Oposo Sako Singers, which was a 115 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: folk group in the sixties, and one of the members 116 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: of that group was a guy called Donald Williams. And 117 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: then he broke away from that group, dropped that Donald 118 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: became Don Williams and went country, and my dad just 119 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: followed him. That was really it. And so you growing 120 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 1: up listening to that music, that was your music in 121 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 1: the house. Yeah, yeah, Well, and my mom loved Neil 122 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: Diamond Everly brothers. Um My brother was into e l 123 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 1: O and Super Tramp and Eagles and Fleetwood Mac. So 124 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: that was all the fusion. How proficient. Was your dad 125 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: with a guitar, terrible with guitar, great with drums, but 126 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: terrible anguitar. So for you, was it drums at first 127 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:23,479 Speaker 1: or were other people playing a guitar around you and 128 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: you're like, think that that's it for me? No, they 129 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: said that Mom and dad brought me a ukulele when 130 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 1: I was five, and I guess it's a toy, I mean, 131 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 1: and and my dad said I could strum it in 132 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: time with songs on the radio. Wasn't playing any chords, 133 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: but the rhythm was there, so um rhythm, which I 134 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: mean possibly from him, definitely. Yeah. And my grandfather played piano, 135 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: so all of my dad's brother's role musical, trumpet, piano, guitar, drums, 136 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: four brothers, so it was all musical. And and I 137 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: just took the guitar, I guess because of the ukulele. 138 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: Was he the dad that wanted you to follow in 139 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: his footsteps of Hey, if I'm musical, I think it's 140 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: called that your musical or like so you people in 141 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 1: the creative world, that's I've seen what a beast this 142 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 1: can be. Like I would like to push you away 143 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 1: from it unless you push so hard back that you 144 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 1: want to get in it. Yeah, that that was it definitely, 145 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: because I I heided, I wasn't very disciplined as a kid. 146 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: I don't know if you can relate to that, Bobby, 147 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: But were you disciplined as a kid, because now, yes, 148 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: because of the addiction that my mom had and my 149 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: dad left, you know, because I was by myself with 150 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: my dad bailing out when I was six, my mom 151 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: being a drug addict her entire life. I was so 152 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: disciplined that I couldn't go down that path or I 153 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: was going to just go down the path and live 154 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: in that path. Um. So you know, even today, I've 155 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: never had a drink of alcohol because I feel the 156 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: addict in me with other things I do. So I 157 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: am extremely disciplined until i'm not, and then I'm off 158 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: the end and I have to find and I don't 159 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: know if you have to do this at times, Well, 160 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: I have to find my healthy addict. And I don't 161 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: know if that's a if that's a safe thing to say, 162 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: but I need to be addicted to something, So I 163 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: have to find the healthiest thing for me to be 164 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: addicted to, because my natural gravity is to go to 165 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: something and and and invest myself all the way in it, 166 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: so much so that it is unhealthy. So I got 167 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: upind the healthiest version of that because it's just in 168 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: me intrinsically, like I I yes, I am so disciplined 169 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: to a fault, so because I know I had one 170 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,079 Speaker 1: instance where I really felt it and I do want 171 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: to get back to, you know, talking about your parents. 172 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 1: But at one instance, whe now I was um, I 173 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: got jumped and got a gun to my head, and 174 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 1: I had a bunch of like trauma in that way 175 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,839 Speaker 1: where I got held at gunpoint. I had UM, I 176 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 1: have a house broken into. It was like a lot 177 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:49,199 Speaker 1: of things happening when my career was just starting to 178 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: take off and I didn't take it seriously yet, and 179 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: I was having some some threats from the outside and 180 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: I couldn't sleep, and so my doctor was like, hey, 181 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: you should if you can't sleep and you're sick, you 182 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: should take sleeping pills. Took them, how trouble with them, 183 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: couldn't get off of them, and I was like, oh 184 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: my god, are staying up doing that side of them? Well, yeah, 185 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: I don't remember. I don't right, I don't remember. And 186 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: so I would take these sleeping pills and I remember 187 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: the day where I went, oh, I'm stuck. I'm stuck. 188 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: And it was the only time because I remember my 189 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: mom being because you couldn't sleep without them, couldn't sleep, 190 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: but couldn't sleep without him. I felt like they were 191 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: tethered to me. Anywhere I went at any point, I 192 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: had to have them with me because if I needed 193 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: to sleep, that was the only way I could go. 194 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 1: And I remember thinking, oh, I'm I can't. I can't 195 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: beat this right now, like this has got a hold 196 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 1: of me. And it was the only time that I 197 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: ever related to my mom because she had been in 198 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: rehabit and out and I always thought, why can't you 199 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: just beat it? But I just had smidgen of it, 200 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh God, this is it. And 201 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: so because of that and how I grew up, I 202 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: am extremely disciplined. So did you answer your easy question 203 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: about life and music? You know, I do have that 204 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: discipline in me from I gotta be or I'm gonna 205 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 1: go off. Yeah that makes sense and not be completely Yeah. 206 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: So I was disciplined as a child. You were not disciplined. No, 207 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: I wasn't. Um. I think just being an artist comes 208 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: with a sense of being able to create, and there's 209 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: so there's a sense of just freedom and liberation. Also 210 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 1: as the youngest, you know, I had an older brother, 211 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 1: and I think it's not uncommon for the younger sibling 212 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: two potentially be a little more like, well, everyone else 213 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: takes care of everything. I'm fine, I'm just floating along. 214 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 1: So if your older brother played music, how come eating 215 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:40,719 Speaker 1: get stuck with the bass? Yeah, he didn't play. We 216 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: started playing guitar at the exact same time. I was six, 217 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: he was eight, and he started on a steel string 218 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,559 Speaker 1: acoustic and I started on one with nylon strings, and 219 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: he he just couldn't hack it and gave up pretty quick. 220 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: And to your point about my dad, I went into 221 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: my dad one time and said these strengths, these hate 222 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: playing guitar, and my dad has all right, but then 223 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 1: don't do it. And I was like, that's not what 224 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: I wanted. I wanted him to tell me I have 225 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: to do it and get into a fight. So it's 226 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: kind of reverse psychology that worked really well. What was 227 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: the relationship like with your dad and you as you 228 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: became twelve, fourteen, sixteen years old? My dad's alcoholic was, um, 229 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,719 Speaker 1: he's not here anymore. Um, But he was alcoholic his 230 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,079 Speaker 1: whole life and never just never dealt with it. You know. 231 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: So my brother and I classic adult children of alcoholic 232 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: raised and uh, I got the same genetic disposition as 233 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 1: my dad, and my brother didn't have that. Really, it 234 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 1: doesn't have it. It's wild because I feel it. I 235 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: have it, and luckily I saw it early. But it's 236 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: crazy that you would have it and your brother doesn't. Yeah, 237 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: but then he has no hair and I have hair, 238 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: so it's a fair trade. Did you feel like as 239 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: you tried to achieve musically you were doing it for 240 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: you or you were doing it somewhat to create a 241 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: bond to your dad? Maybe wasn't there because of other circumstances. 242 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: Probably both, you know both, And you know I think, Um, 243 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: in the song we Have Wild Hearts, you know, there's 244 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: a song about it opens with Johnny Cash, you know, 245 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: sort of man in Black. Because when I was five, dad, 246 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: mom and Dad took us to see Johnny Cash, and 247 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: I remember so much about that concert. But the thing 248 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: I think that is subconsciously in me. I was really 249 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: taken by how my dad was staring at this guy 250 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,719 Speaker 1: on stage and probably thinking how do I get my 251 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 1: dad to look at me like that, Right, isn't that wild? Yeah? 252 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: So I don't I don't know if I saw it. 253 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: It's hard to know, right was that that? Did I 254 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: recognize in that person on stage with the guitar? Did 255 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,559 Speaker 1: I recognize something that I was going to do or 256 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 1: something that I wanted to do, or something that I 257 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 1: should do? I don't know. It doesn't really matter in 258 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:55,319 Speaker 1: the end. When did it start to be And I'm 259 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: not going to say the word easy, I don't think 260 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: that's fair to you. But when did it start to 261 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:02,439 Speaker 1: be that you had an understanding that you could actually 262 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 1: create and manipulate with that instrument? Tuesday? This week? This 263 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: week you've been missing, You've been missing a lot. You've 264 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: been doing pretty good up until Tuesday. You've had us 265 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,959 Speaker 1: all fold. Was it was it fourteen fifteen? Was it 266 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: earlier than that where you're like, Okay, I can actually 267 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: do this at a higher level than like my peers 268 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: who are doing this. Uh. I don't know if I've 269 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: ever felt that way. No, because you know, in Australia, Yeah, 270 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 1: because I've always been around people way better than me, always, 271 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: and in Australia there's like the local guy playing in 272 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,559 Speaker 1: the cover band, because people go who your influences? I'm 273 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: like the guy in the local cover band Barried Clough 274 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:40,959 Speaker 1: and then Dallas Seldom and then Ridge Grant and all 275 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:44,439 Speaker 1: these guys playing in cover bands. I'm twelve years old, 276 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: thirteen years old watching them gone. I wish you could 277 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: play that good. And then at some point you play 278 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: that good, and so you're already looking to the next guy. 279 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: I wish you could play as good as him, and 280 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:56,439 Speaker 1: you just your your influences, keep moving. Who was it 281 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: for you that was your favorite your first favorite artist? 282 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: We're you really clicked and you're like, that's my favorite, 283 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: your own. It's a good question, Gosh, I don't know 284 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: for me. I'll vamp a bit as you think about that, 285 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: so you can have a good answer for me. You know, 286 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: it was it was John Mayer whenever he was starting, 287 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: because I felt someone writing the things that I was thinking, 288 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: and I never had had experienced that before. He's a 289 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: couple of years older than I am, but I was like, wow, 290 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: this guy one. I liked his tone, I liked the style, 291 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: but he was saying things. It was like a really 292 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: good comedian. You know how you go, oh, I always 293 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: thought that I just didn't know how to say it 294 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: like that. It was the first time I've ever heard 295 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: that in song, and I thought, wow, he's he's kind 296 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: of speaking for me musically. Is the first time that 297 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: had ever happened. So he became my first ever like, 298 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: that's my favorite artist. There have been others that that 299 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: since I've done that, I'm a big Counting Crows guy too, 300 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: you know, Um, but John Mayor was it for me? 301 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: Now that I've given you a little time, who do 302 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: you think it is? Well, what I actually think about 303 00:14:56,400 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: is John Mellencamp is the is the guy that's coming mind. Um. 304 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: The reason is I grew up playing list country music, right, 305 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: going to all these talent quests and different competitions playing 306 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: country music. But then I got to be twelve fourteen. 307 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: I left school at fifteen. I was playing in a 308 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: cover band at fifteen. So we're just doing top forty 309 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: and I'm playing in all the pubs in Australia. And 310 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: the pubs are rough places, you know, just concrete floor, 311 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: hose it out the end of the night, rough crowd, 312 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: no holes barred. If you suck, that will let you 313 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: know you suck. And I grew up playing in that 314 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: very rock environment, and so I loved country, I loved rock. 315 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: I love Top forty. I'm like, what the hell do 316 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: I do? Who am I? Musically? And then John put 317 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: out Loans from Jubilee, which was an album that had 318 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: songs like paper and fire check it out, Cherry Bomb, YadA, YadA, 319 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: and it was rock, but it had like fiddle and 320 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: at accordion and everything. So we went to see him 321 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: in concert on that tour. I was playing in a 322 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: cover band. The band got tickets. We went to see him, 323 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: and we were way up in the nosebleeds in this arena. 324 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: Him and the band comes out and they play, and 325 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: it was It was so insanely great and it was rock, 326 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: country something whatever the hell was going on. It was 327 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: literally an epiphany. And I saw what John was doing 328 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: and I went, oh, that's the answer. You don't think 329 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: about labels. Just take all the things you love, figure 330 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: out how to put them together and make it be 331 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: like this. And I was very lucky to meet John 332 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: many many years later and tell him that story, and 333 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: he said, it's so great that that's what you took 334 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: away from that concert, because most people leave the concert 335 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: and go I'm going to do that. I'm going to 336 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: have fiddle in my bed and you know, and just 337 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: rip off John Mellencamp. But what I took from it 338 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: was just do your own thing. Take all the things 339 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: you love and the original and John Mellencamp, obviously a 340 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: Middle America guy who had country and rock roots at 341 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: the same time, incorporated the mall. How do you see 342 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: that affecting your show that you do now, Like, what 343 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: are the surroundings that you've taken from your life because 344 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: you have a different kind of show? Yeah, of really anyone? 345 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: I mean, and I say that in the most complimentary way. 346 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: And I've told you this off a microphone too, Like 347 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:13,640 Speaker 1: you do the best live show I've ever seen. I've 348 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 1: seen a lot of live shows. I'm jaded at this 349 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: point too. I'm extremely jaded. That compliment it is, Yeah, 350 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 1: it is. I've seen it all and I don't care 351 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 1: to see anymore because it's just part of the life 352 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:25,640 Speaker 1: we live right until. But when you're moved, you're moved 353 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 1: so hard when you're jaded, and to watch you perform, 354 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: I leave and I'm like, god, dang, I just I 355 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: thought i'd seen it all. So because of that your 356 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 1: it is so so what do you take what are 357 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:40,919 Speaker 1: your influences that have created what is your project? In 358 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,439 Speaker 1: the same way that he had taken fiddle and he 359 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 1: had taken you know, a different kind of percussion yeah, um, 360 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: and the different service off me as I play guitar, 361 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 1: So that becomes a strong point of of the of 362 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 1: what I do. I love guitar riffs. I love catchy songs, 363 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 1: you know, unapologetically energy too, and energy yeah, and fiercely 364 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: in the moment presence, absolutely and really giving a ship, 365 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: like really really like this is the last gig I'll 366 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: ever play. Every gig is the last gig you'll ever play. 367 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 1: That's what I think I want to talk about your 368 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: shows is not only is it musically wonderful and sonically 369 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: just the greatest, but there's so much energy there that 370 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 1: doesn't feel forced energy. It feels like pure energy. And 371 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: there's a difference. Sometimes you go out and you really don't, like, 372 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 1: I want to really work for this show, but it 373 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 1: doesn't feel like work. It feels like that's who you 374 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: are as an artist, Like that's the most genuine version 375 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:34,479 Speaker 1: of you. And again, if you if you haven't seen 376 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 1: Keith show and Honestly, this wasn't leading up to the 377 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: promo of your tour yet your tickets are until today, 378 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 1: which works in great into this um and it's the 379 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 1: it's the greatest live show I think I've seen because 380 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: and I don't know why you keep going into the audience. 381 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: You may not not do that with COVID. Now what 382 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 1: I've just seen you do it so many times. Like stop, 383 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:00,239 Speaker 1: like I'm worried for your own hell. Like people we 384 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 1: were talking to Jerry uh Flower, Yeah, yeah, yeah, Jerry Clower. 385 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:07,640 Speaker 1: Jerry Clowers one of my favorites too. By the way, 386 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 1: Jerry Jerry Clowers only one time and he is just 387 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:16,439 Speaker 1: a pistol. Yeah. So but the other Jerry, who you 388 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: were in the ranch with and who is your musical 389 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: leader band director, I don't know. He said that you 390 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: guys were doing a private function and you ran into 391 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: the crowd and they were so high they started biting you. Yeah. 392 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: It's like, wait, what, Like I knew that was going 393 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: to happen, but it's already happened. Like they pulled your 394 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: shirt off and they were biting you, and you kind 395 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 1: of give off the door, like you accept that. So 396 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: we try and feed people before this day now and 397 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: very passionate, very passionate. Let me say this. The new 398 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: American tour, The Speed of Now World to fifty three 399 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: shows between June sevente and November five of two. There 400 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: was a full list of dates and tickets right now 401 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: at keith Urban dot com. Let's go back whenever you're 402 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: playing in these cover bands, what was the ceiling for 403 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 1: you as far as for your career when you're sixteen 404 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: years old? What's the ceiling in your mind? How far 405 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: you can get in your career. I never thought of 406 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's so weird. I was never one 407 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: of these kids with a plan at all, none, just 408 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: let's try and get better. I was playing in this 409 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 1: cover band that I talked about so well Mally can't 410 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: yeah yah yeah, And I wasn't the lead singer was 411 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: guitar playing and uh we well, well it was for 412 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: a cover band. We were doing a couple of thousand 413 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,360 Speaker 1: people on a on a Sunday afternoon, which was a 414 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: lot of people to come and see this cover band. 415 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: But it was a really good band. What was your 416 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: role in the cover band guitar and lead singer? Uh? Well, 417 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 1: we had a lead singer that wasn't you, wasn't me um. 418 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: And the only reason I joined this band was I 419 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: had a manager who was also managing this band. It's 420 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 1: a long story, but I been in I've done jos, 421 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,199 Speaker 1: I've done bands. I've always had my own thing, right. 422 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: It was always me was whatever. I was always doing 423 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 1: my thing. My manager thought, I really need some frontman experience, 424 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: how to handle a crowd, how to put a set 425 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 1: list together, how to put on a show, how to 426 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 1: just lead. And so he said, I've got this band. 427 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 1: I think you should join the band and watch this 428 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: front man because he's amazing and you'll learn so much. 429 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:21,400 Speaker 1: So I was with that band for about a year 430 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 1: and he was right. I learned so much from that 431 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: lead singer. But but one of the things was I 432 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: wanted to do some original songs. We're doing all these covers, 433 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 1: and so I started writing a song and he loved it, 434 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 1: and the band learned it, and he was going to 435 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: even sing it and it would be on the set 436 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: list and I'll be looking at the guys in the band, 437 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: I'm like, here comes a song, gets a song, We're 438 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: gonna get to do a song. And he would bail 439 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,719 Speaker 1: on it. Every time he'd be like, no, skip that one, 440 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: Let's do money money, and I'm like yeah. And after 441 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: a while of that, I just went and I'm not 442 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,879 Speaker 1: this is going nowhere. What are you gonna do with covers? 443 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: I want to want to play Ridge all music. So 444 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 1: I left the band and the drummer and bass player 445 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: quit at the same time and came and joined me. 446 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: And so then what do you do? Is it a 447 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: new name band? Is it? Are you? It was just me? 448 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 1: It was just solo. Um. But then of course I 449 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 1: couldn't get any work playing original songs, and so we 450 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: resorted to being another cover band, but slipping in my 451 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: own songs in between the covers at least. And so 452 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 1: as you're doing your own music, are you in Australia 453 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: at this point? Yeah? Yeah, that's all in Australia. Was 454 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: the plan to get to the States at some point? Yeah, 455 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: but I didn't know how when nothing knew nothing about that? 456 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: Then how did you? So nine my manager got some 457 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: tickets for us to come over to America, and we 458 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 1: came to Nashville and spent played down at the Shownees 459 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: which was on to Mombrian and pitched my crappy demo 460 00:22:54,640 --> 00:23:01,400 Speaker 1: to all the labels met with complete silence? Is it now? 461 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 1: It was met with complete silence because that's your big, 462 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 1: famous and successful or was it really met with complete silence? Oh? No, 463 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:09,679 Speaker 1: it was terrible. But first of all, it was a 464 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: terrible demo, which, of course, when you come from if 465 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: you're not from here, you think it's pretty pretty good, 466 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: because it's pretty good from where you come from, but 467 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 1: it's pretty crap when you get here compared to everything else. 468 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: And I was just out of out of step, out 469 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 1: of place, out of step. My music didn't fit at all. 470 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,360 Speaker 1: So what made you think that you could stay and thrive? 471 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: Because Nashville was like sixteenth and sevent to have. And 472 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 1: I got here and I went, this is it? Is 473 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: this it this is the legendary iconic music row, Like 474 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: that's it, My god, this is this is fantastic. It's 475 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: not New York City. It's not like this is I'm 476 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: at home. I love it here, it's great, and I 477 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:53,120 Speaker 1: didn't want to leave. And I also foolishly thought, we'll 478 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: get I'll get here and I'll start writing songs and 479 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: I'll record and boom, we'll be often running in no time. 480 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,040 Speaker 1: And man, the years just went by, and by what 481 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,199 Speaker 1: are you doing? And could you make money? Though? At 482 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: the time, Like if you're coming from Australia and you're 483 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: just visiting, were you able to make money? So I 484 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 1: signed a publishing deal with a company in Australia that 485 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 1: had an office in Nashville. It's very small, little wage 486 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: to where it's not even a wage. What is it 487 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:16,719 Speaker 1: like money that you're gonna have to pay them back? Right? 488 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 1: So I'd come over for a couple of weeks on 489 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 1: my own, stay with crash of somebody at their house, 490 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 1: gonna write songs every day with whoever they've put me with. 491 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: You know that thing that we do here in Nashville 492 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: professional songwriters. Whenever the new kid in town is, they 493 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 1: throw them in with the pro songwriters and see if 494 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,400 Speaker 1: something happens. Was that weird for you, by the way, 495 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: because that was the culture and you've been writing probably 496 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: by yourself. Yeah, but yeah, it was really difficult. I 497 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 1: also was no when you're good enough yet? And so 498 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,479 Speaker 1: I'm getting with really great pro writerers and I just 499 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: I sucked. I just had so much to learn that 500 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 1: was excruciating. And are you learning or are you overwhelmed? 501 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,719 Speaker 1: I think I had also frustrated the way in which 502 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 1: I would write with my drum machine, of my bass 503 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: or a banjo or something, and always with a groove. Always. 504 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: I would never sit with a guitar on a legal 505 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 1: pad in a windowless room. So were you an early 506 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:12,439 Speaker 1: track guy? Because if yeah, definitely, because I like I 507 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 1: like them well, because I write from the music out. 508 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: The music is trying to tell a story and then 509 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: I extrapolate the story from the music. Will you write 510 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 1: songs with melody first? Uh? Just straight melody? Will you 511 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: write a melody and that's what you have? Then you 512 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: create around the melody. Are you more prone to do 513 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: that when writing if you're starting from scratch or an 514 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 1: idea a lyric like where do you like to start? 515 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 1: If you get to choose, If I get to choose, 516 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: I like a groove. A beat doesn't have to be fast, 517 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 1: just any kind of beat that I can then play 518 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:51,199 Speaker 1: along with, whether it's bass, guitar, guitar, piano, something, banjo, 519 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: whatever the matter, Just something that you pick up and 520 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 1: just respond to and then a melody comes, A melody 521 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,879 Speaker 1: comes of some sort, and then you the music has 522 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 1: an emotion about it's trying to say something I make 523 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 1: somebody like you. You know. That song started from flying 524 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: out to l A meeting this guy John Shanks. So 525 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:13,120 Speaker 1: I didn't know. Um, I was so nervous to meet 526 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: with some l A guy, you know, and I'm like, 527 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: what do I know. I've showed up with my banjo 528 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: and everything. And before I went to the session, I 529 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 1: went to this Irish pub and I had a pint 530 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: of guinness and it was like ten in the morning 531 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 1: and it was really good. Sad another one and it 532 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: was a really good So I had like a third one. 533 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: I get in my car, drive over to the studio 534 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: where he is and by and by then I walked 535 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 1: in and I felt pretty pretty just not bulletproof, but 536 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: I felt very relaxed, very confident, you know. And he 537 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:47,880 Speaker 1: had this little drum machine and it was going that's 538 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 1: all I was doing. And I pulled my banjo out 539 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 1: of the case and dang, the dang the dawn and 540 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: then dan, dang and dang, and no idea why, I 541 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 1: just it just came out and we're like, oh, it 542 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 1: feels good. What do we do with that? You know? 543 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 1: It's in the new sound nothing sundown down and so 544 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: does something gotta find some words and that's that's it, 545 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,639 Speaker 1: and then you just the rest comes. You're creating that 546 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: vocal melody to without putting the words on it. Yeah yeah, 547 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 1: so blah blah blah. So that that that, and then 548 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 1: you'll go would you record that? And you go back 549 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 1: over and go, okay, you know what's down here? Yeah? 550 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: Well A lot of times it Gibberish is actually trying 551 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 1: to say something like you listen to the type which 552 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,120 Speaker 1: way had a type then and it would be new 553 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: and then you're like, oh, there's a never there was 554 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: that a new win something right there down never never 555 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:43,160 Speaker 1: known sounds like it's like screw, it's all in there. 556 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,919 Speaker 1: I think Mick Jagger calls it making foul movements. Great. 557 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: So as you're here and you're learning to write, when 558 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: does the ranch start to be a thing? Uh? Well? Um, 559 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: this three piece band that I mentioned, I had drummer 560 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 1: bass playoff that I took from this cover band. I thought, well, 561 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 1: let's let's head over to Nashville and do some shows. 562 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 1: You know, all I can bring is bass playing and drums. 563 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: I got no money, I can't afford anything. Um. By 564 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: right around that time, I actually had built out a 565 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,120 Speaker 1: five piece band. I signed a record deal in Australia, 566 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 1: did it, did an album, put two more guys in 567 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: my band, keyboard and guitar, drums, bass, keyboard, guitar, and me, 568 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: and we're touring around playing these songs off my album. 569 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: So it was starting to happen in Stay. It was popping, 570 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: had a song on the radio and I was like, 571 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: here we go. It's great, you know, but all I 572 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: wanted to do is come to Nashville. I couldn't bring 573 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: the whole band, so I could bring bass and drums 574 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: at least I could bring and make a sound out 575 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: of it. My basse play Drama were the two guys 576 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: that didn't sing, so I had no harmony, no nothing. 577 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: So my bass player went back to Australia and I 578 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: found a singing bass player from Florida and we played 579 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: for a year or so, and then he went back 580 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: to Florida and we found Jerry who came in and 581 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: took over. So we were three piece because of no money. 582 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: It was not my preference. It just couldn't afford anymore players, 583 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 1: and that eventually became the ranch. What's interesting about that, 584 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: if we were playing back some of the Ranch stuff 585 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: with Jerry, and it feels like it was just ahead 586 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: of its time, like that, that music, and we were 587 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: listening to some demos and some old some old you 588 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 1: know Ranch cuts. It feels like seven years later that 589 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 1: probably hits. Do you feel like it was a bit 590 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: advanced musically and that's why it didn't work at the time. Yeah, 591 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: it certainly didn't sound like anything on radio, and that 592 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 1: that's always the thing, you know with the record we 593 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 1: made in just didn't sound like anything on the radio. 594 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 1: It was hell making that record because we were signed 595 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: to Warner Brothers and we went in with every quarter 596 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: pointed producer in town. Ah, every one of those situations 597 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: didn't work because what happens is we would either sound 598 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 1: like us, which didn't sound the radio, or we would 599 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: sound like something that could go on the radio. It 600 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: didn't sound like us. And we were just in hell 601 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 1: and just no matter what we did, we just couldn't 602 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: make it, couldn't make it work. Was there someone that 603 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: was betting on you? Though? As Keith Urban like, Okay, 604 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 1: the Ranch didn't work, but we still have faith in you. 605 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: And so many times in this town, once you don't 606 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 1: make it, people are like, well, You're just not gonna 607 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: make it. I see it all the time, like, well, 608 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: you didn't make it, probably not for you. Was there 609 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 1: anyone that was like, hey, I know that didn't work, 610 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: and maybe it was just you. Was there anyone that 611 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: was like, hey, you have that star, like, let's keep 612 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: going and try to figure out who Keith Urban is 613 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: instead of this three piece? I think that was me. 614 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 1: I mean I just had that burning belief. I know 615 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 1: wise because I was I'd grown up on oldest music. 616 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 1: I knew how to make the music, but I didn't 617 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 1: know how to make it with this band. This band 618 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: had a unique sound about it, and the band wasn't 619 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: I wasn't trying to get the band signed, you know. 620 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 1: The van wasn't in the plan. Originally it morphed into that. 621 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 1: So it was originally you. It was me. It was 622 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: me and my bass player and drummer. We didn't have 623 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 1: a name. It was just my name, um. But we 624 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: got messed around with so much by the record company, 625 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: and the tipping point was over at that label at 626 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: Warner Brothers at the time. They just signed me, not 627 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 1: the other two guys, and we made the record and 628 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 1: they said, oh, we're gonna send you guys out, maybe 629 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: to play some of these songs. But actually we're not 630 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 1: sending you guys out. We're just going to put a 631 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: house band together, and I'm going to send out you 632 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 1: Keith and about four other artists on our label, and 633 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 1: you guys will all share the same band. And I went, no, 634 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 1: I won't you like, what do you mean? I go, 635 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: I'm not, I'm not. I'm not playing with just I 636 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 1: got a band, take my band with me. And they're like, yeah, 637 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 1: but we didn't sign your band. I go, no, I know, 638 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 1: but I mean they're my band. It doesn't make sense 639 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 1: when I play with someone else. And uh, when we 640 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 1: got dropped from that label and went over to Capital, 641 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 1: I said, you have to sign everybody, and I'm I'm 642 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 1: going to get rid of my name. To the hell 643 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,239 Speaker 1: with it, getting rid of my name we're doing, you know. 644 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: And I had so many people around me saying, don't 645 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 1: do that, don't don't drop your and just lose yourself 646 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: in the band. But that's what I did. When you 647 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 1: became keithone, rolled through some number one here two thousand 648 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: and one, your first number one. But for the grace 649 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: of God, it's here a little bit it is again 650 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 1: after the years of struggle on a label to have 651 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 1: a hit, did it feel like a relief or did 652 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 1: it feel like this is amazing, because there's a difference. 653 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 1: Was that like, oh my god, thank you? Was like, whoa, 654 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about? It only above. It was 655 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 1: surreal to have a number one song in America was 656 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 1: just crazy. Remember that like it was yesterday. Really, oh 657 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: my god, twenty years ago, you still remember it like 658 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: that your first Yeah, I remember exactly the house I 659 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 1: was at, what I was doing, who told me everything, 660 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: like detail because it was too surreal. I was like 661 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 1: number one, like the number one most played song and 662 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 1: country radio in America. Truly really did your life change 663 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 1: after that? After you had a number one, since you 664 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 1: could say it, um, I felt like, okay, now we 665 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 1: got a chance to get some more music going. And 666 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 1: the next single off to that, I think was Where 667 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: the Black Top Bands, which is weird because it peaked. 668 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 1: I was looking at numbers. It wasn't a number one, 669 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: but that, to me is one of the songs I 670 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: think of when I think of you and your catalog 671 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 1: is Where the Black Cop Ends. It wasn't even number one, 672 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: which shows you not all number one or career songs, 673 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 1: and not all career songs or number one song even 674 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: in two thousand two two did that song feel big 675 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 1: like a number one song? Where the black Top ends. 676 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: I can't remember that that when you can't remember now, 677 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: I can't remember that. I mean I remember making that 678 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 1: a whole album with Matt Rawlings. And it was the 679 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 1: first time where I was in a studio and having 680 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 1: gone through all of the famous producers and realizing none 681 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 1: of it works for me. It just I don't know 682 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do. Um. There was a guy running 683 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 1: Capital Records at the time called Pat Quigley, and he 684 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 1: was the president, and I used every proper famous producer 685 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 1: and none of it was working. And I went into 686 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,359 Speaker 1: Pat and I said, can I just I had just 687 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 1: done a session with Matt Rowlings for somebody else. The 688 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 1: two of us were playing on it, and I clicked 689 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 1: with him and I really liked him a light, and 690 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 1: I said, could I just go and record some songs 691 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 1: with this guy? Because I think he can put a 692 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 1: good band together and we can just make a record 693 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:35,800 Speaker 1: that sounds good anyway. Whatever. It was very much that 694 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,319 Speaker 1: case of like go do whatever you want to do. 695 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 1: We're not that interest. You could tell whatever it's going to. 696 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 1: So we went and cut up the Grace God and 697 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 1: like four or five songs, and I took him in 698 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 1: and played for him and he goes, that sounds good. 699 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 1: Just finished the record out, was no big deal. And 700 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 1: we handed in the record and it had It's a 701 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,320 Speaker 1: love Thing and I want to Be Everything. All the 702 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 1: singles that came out, Grace God, Blacktop, all that stuff. Um, 703 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 1: and I put out Love It's a love Thing, and 704 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 1: I think I went to the number eighteen or something like, 705 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: It's okay, pretty good. They put out another song, I 706 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 1: Want to Be Everything, and I got to top five 707 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 1: or close to it, and it wasn't It was okay. 708 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 1: Everything was okay. And then the label really focused on 709 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 1: me and they put out Grace of God and it 710 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,839 Speaker 1: did that and I could feel everything changed after that. 711 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,359 Speaker 1: Whenever Somebody like You comes out two thousand two, there's 712 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 1: a little clip, do you remember this one is vivid 713 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 1: at your second number one, you do everything about it 714 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 1: recording it first time, I'd work with Dan huff Um 715 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 1: working out at Sound Kitchen and Franklin and the putting 716 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,760 Speaker 1: them putting a band together and the set the whole session. 717 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 1: I remember it so vividly because it got magical. Does 718 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 1: a guy like Dan Half challenge you? So? Uh? I 719 00:35:58,080 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 1: was going to do the next record on my own 720 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 1: UM Golden Road, and I had already done six six 721 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 1: sides of that record, including who who were wanted me. 722 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 1: I put the band together, I chose the studio, I 723 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 1: chose the engineer. I put it all together. And then 724 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 1: someone said, you know, you should try and work with 725 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:14,800 Speaker 1: Dan Half, and I went, no, I don't want to 726 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,360 Speaker 1: work with him because and they went, well, he's a 727 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,719 Speaker 1: guitar player, and I'm so not going to work with 728 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 1: a guitar player who's gonna tell me what to play, 729 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:24,920 Speaker 1: you know. I don't want that. I've been down this 730 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,280 Speaker 1: road before. And they're like, we'll just give it a shot, 731 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,880 Speaker 1: you know. And I met with Dan and this is 732 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,759 Speaker 1: a true story, and I was really a compliment to Dan. 733 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,840 Speaker 1: I met with Dan. I said, Okay, I've got this 734 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 1: one song it's called Somebody Like You, that that'd be 735 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 1: a good one for us to start on. And I've 736 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 1: already been in the studio for two weeks with this band. 737 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 1: We'd cut half the record. It's already done, and Dan says, Okay, 738 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 1: this song feels great. Um, I think we should use 739 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,400 Speaker 1: this drummer, and I got already got the drummer. Well, 740 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 1: I think we should use this space. But I got 741 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,880 Speaker 1: I got the whole band, Dan, I got the whole band, 742 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,239 Speaker 1: all right. Well, I liked work at this studio, I said, 743 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,279 Speaker 1: I'm already at the studio. We're gonna be at sand kitchen. Okay, Well, 744 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 1: the engineer I like to use is already got. The 745 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 1: engineer's name is Justin Ebank. And he goes, what do 746 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,799 Speaker 1: I do? When I go, you just show up. That's 747 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,719 Speaker 1: all you're gonna do. Show up, because I want to 748 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,360 Speaker 1: see what you do. I'm sick of these producers that 749 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,240 Speaker 1: say they're a producer, but really they have great engineer, 750 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,919 Speaker 1: great players, they don't do anything. I saw it again 751 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,719 Speaker 1: and again and again. I'm like, just show up. What 752 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,600 Speaker 1: the hell can you possibly bring to this session? I 753 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,399 Speaker 1: want to see? And he walked into that session. I've 754 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,879 Speaker 1: been with this band for two weeks. He walks in, 755 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,839 Speaker 1: and I literally could feel all the musicianship go up 756 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 1: a whole of the level just with him being in 757 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 1: the room. He sat in the room, the band's playing 758 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,280 Speaker 1: a bit of Somebody Like You, and he goes, hey, Chris, 759 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 1: just change that snare a little bit there. Okay, YEA 760 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,759 Speaker 1: leave that base part out right there, and you play 761 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,719 Speaker 1: that bit over there. And he I watched him arrange 762 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,400 Speaker 1: this thing and the whole track is to elevate, and 763 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,479 Speaker 1: I like, well, damn, this guy is the real deal. 764 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,359 Speaker 1: He's so good. When did the town start to treat 765 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 1: you differently? Tuesday? Um? I was already getting support from 766 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:12,920 Speaker 1: the town very early on. I think because of all 767 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,880 Speaker 1: those writing sessions, you know, and when you write with people, 768 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,719 Speaker 1: where it gets out whether you can really sing, really play, 769 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 1: whether you know about country music, if you're legit or 770 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 1: just some poser. Really so, I think those sort of 771 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 1: guitar pool sessions of people's houses going to the Bluebird, 772 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,799 Speaker 1: people knew I was for real. I was watching some 773 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,080 Speaker 1: of your performance with her. I guess all of it 774 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,680 Speaker 1: for Tina Turner, for the Rock and Roll of Fame. Um, 775 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,680 Speaker 1: how did how do you do? How did you get 776 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,319 Speaker 1: called in to do that? I haven't seen any of 777 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,960 Speaker 1: that yet? You haven't, Um, what do you mean you 778 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 1: haven't seen it? You don't watch? Do you watch your stuff? Well? 779 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,400 Speaker 1: I haven't seen that. Generally, will you go and watch 780 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,560 Speaker 1: your stuff? It depends. Are you one of the guys 781 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 1: that after a live show you want to go on criticket? 782 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,759 Speaker 1: I probably should do it more than I do. Yeah, 783 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,600 Speaker 1: it's always better when I get in there and care. 784 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,279 Speaker 1: How How does a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 785 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:12,440 Speaker 1: invite come with Tina for Tina Turner? Uh? Because Brian 786 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,120 Speaker 1: Adams couldn't make it, and they just called me out 787 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:16,920 Speaker 1: and they go, would you come and fill in for Brian? 788 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:21,160 Speaker 1: It's like day before the Yeah, it was. It was 789 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,919 Speaker 1: Thursday and Nick and I will go into the Bahamas 790 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,000 Speaker 1: and my manager calls me and he goes, hey, can 791 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:27,880 Speaker 1: you come fill in for Brian? And blah blah blahla, 792 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,280 Speaker 1: And I'm like, you were going into the Bahamas on Friday. 793 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,080 Speaker 1: He's like, you didn't hear what I said? And I 794 00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,600 Speaker 1: was like, no, I heard you. We're heading off to 795 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,319 Speaker 1: the Bahamas and Nix in the car and Nicks like, oh, 796 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,920 Speaker 1: I think we should do that. That sounds fun. But 797 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,680 Speaker 1: in my think in my head, I'm like this sounds overwhelming. 798 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,799 Speaker 1: I've got to learn a song in record time, a 799 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,960 Speaker 1: song I've never played. It's not really my kind of song. 800 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,759 Speaker 1: It's not my vocal range, it's not in my key. 801 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,920 Speaker 1: I'm so in over my head, you know, I was terrified. 802 00:39:56,120 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 1: You still get terrified, yeah, wil Dear, Yeah, we did 803 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:06,840 Speaker 1: anything musically would intimidate you. Yeah, to be thrown into 804 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,880 Speaker 1: something that's not really my zone, especially in that place. 805 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, maybe standing up on stage in front of 806 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,279 Speaker 1: my cartney and the food fighters and they're all you know, 807 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,319 Speaker 1: I pictured them are like arms crossed, like okay, what 808 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,640 Speaker 1: do you do? What's your thing? And I'm like, well, 809 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:24,600 Speaker 1: it's not this, It's not this is not it. That's 810 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,719 Speaker 1: so I could picture in my head when it comes 811 00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,279 Speaker 1: to collaborations as far as your career is concerned, what 812 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,719 Speaker 1: do you look back at and go, Man, that one 813 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:37,600 Speaker 1: right there, we nailed it. You and who collaboration and 814 00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 1: so many I mean John doing Crossroads with John Maya 815 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,880 Speaker 1: To this day, I just loved that whole experience with 816 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 1: him playing. I learned a lot from him, really learn 817 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,200 Speaker 1: from him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, what do you learn from 818 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,440 Speaker 1: John Mayre um to make the song your own? You know, 819 00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,120 Speaker 1: you gotta remember I still came from cover band land, 820 00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,480 Speaker 1: which John did not. And so John approaches it as 821 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,160 Speaker 1: a pure artist and makes this song on his own 822 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,120 Speaker 1: because I remember saying to him the first didn't go 823 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:07,719 Speaker 1: like that, and he's like, yeah, but that's how I'm 824 00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:12,640 Speaker 1: gonna sing it right on? Of course. Yeah. Is there 825 00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,520 Speaker 1: a gamesmanship when you have two people that are so again, 826 00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,520 Speaker 1: I'll just talk about the instrument for a second, so 827 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,000 Speaker 1: to be old. They're so proficient at their instrument. Are 828 00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:22,680 Speaker 1: you guys? Do you feel each other out at first? 829 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,440 Speaker 1: Are you like, is he really as good as I've heard? 830 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,360 Speaker 1: Or is it you know, because you've you've heard for yourself, 831 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:34,440 Speaker 1: like on a record or on YouTube, and not John specifically, 832 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,680 Speaker 1: but anyone you know when you kind of cross paddle 833 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,719 Speaker 1: because I had room for squares and we played that 834 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,040 Speaker 1: record to death on that too, ab us um so 835 00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,480 Speaker 1: as I was a fan right from the beginning. Um. 836 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,680 Speaker 1: I love the conversation, the musical conversation that happens, and 837 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,040 Speaker 1: the most important thing for me is spontaneity. It's just 838 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,879 Speaker 1: you know, you can rehearse, yeah yeah, yeah, but being 839 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,279 Speaker 1: in the moment and having that musical conversation with each 840 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,560 Speaker 1: other is everything. You ever meet someone, You're like, man, 841 00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,239 Speaker 1: it's gonna be awesome, and you're like, man, that's not 842 00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,040 Speaker 1: really right really as good as that's a hot or 843 00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:03,600 Speaker 1: as as you know, I don't want you to say. 844 00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,319 Speaker 1: Some people don't have a collaborative heart. That's what it is. 845 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,200 Speaker 1: They don't have a collaborative heart for whatever reason. They 846 00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:14,239 Speaker 1: just don't um collaborate that kind of They have that 847 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,040 Speaker 1: thing of well, this is what I do, so you 848 00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:17,960 Speaker 1: do your thing. I'll do my thing, and I'm like, well, 849 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,480 Speaker 1: let's do our thing. That's what I'm here for. On 850 00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,560 Speaker 1: the opposite side of that, whoever you collaborated with it, 851 00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:24,520 Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I didn't expect it to be as 852 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:29,600 Speaker 1: warm and as a just a friendly collaboration, but holy crap, 853 00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:31,640 Speaker 1: we're in We're in it and it's rocking Pink. I 854 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,879 Speaker 1: think was that when we did one too many? Why? 855 00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,560 Speaker 1: Why do you think you guys hit it off? Um? 856 00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,719 Speaker 1: I think our voices go together really well, and I 857 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,600 Speaker 1: hope they would, but you never know until you hear it. 858 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:49,440 Speaker 1: But she was just unbelievably um giving with that whole project, 859 00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,279 Speaker 1: you know, for a song that she didn't write, to 860 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,880 Speaker 1: be giving so much of her time and her effort 861 00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:56,680 Speaker 1: to the two. You know, we shot a video as well, 862 00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,320 Speaker 1: and then we shot footage which we can use in concerts, 863 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,600 Speaker 1: so we have projected on the screening concert. That's old, 864 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:07,160 Speaker 1: time consuming and she was just amazing. Is it an 865 00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,640 Speaker 1: issue whenever you're with an artist like that, because they 866 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,920 Speaker 1: also have their own music and their own singles and calendars, 867 00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:14,680 Speaker 1: and when they want to put out their own to 868 00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,560 Speaker 1: get pink on a song, do you go, okay, Well, 869 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,360 Speaker 1: maybe we can relate to the single, maybe not, depending 870 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,160 Speaker 1: on what your schedule is, right, I mean, is that something? 871 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,280 Speaker 1: Is that an issue that you deal with other artists? 872 00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,280 Speaker 1: Is something you have to consider? Yeah, for sure, because 873 00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,480 Speaker 1: sometimes it's at the time he's not gonna work, you know. Yeah, 874 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,960 Speaker 1: it's great. The single sounds really great, but we're not 875 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:40,800 Speaker 1: going to release it at the right time. I was 876 00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:42,719 Speaker 1: reading on the internet that you bowl? Are you? Some 877 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,640 Speaker 1: of the stuff I didn't know and could be crap. 878 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,440 Speaker 1: Are you a bowler? Yeah? Are you a good bowler? 879 00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:51,160 Speaker 1: I'm okay? How do I not know that? We've never 880 00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,200 Speaker 1: talked about it or been bowling? True? But where do 881 00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,600 Speaker 1: where do you? Where do you bowl? I haven't bowled 882 00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:58,960 Speaker 1: in a long time. It's just one of those things 883 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,640 Speaker 1: that I happened to be not bad at sort of 884 00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,640 Speaker 1: out of the gate. Is that I hand coordination that 885 00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,480 Speaker 1: guitar players have. You know your highest game? Is that 886 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,399 Speaker 1: what you call it a game? Yeah? No, I don't know. 887 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:17,040 Speaker 1: Um uh, you know to have an average, it's not 888 00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,400 Speaker 1: grabbed me at three hundreds of perfect game right, definitely 889 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,800 Speaker 1: could crack no, but definitely could crack two. You play pool, yeah, 890 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:24,799 Speaker 1: you go to that. I think this mandatory when you're 891 00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,960 Speaker 1: from Australia, you've got to play pool? Is that a thing? 892 00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:31,719 Speaker 1: Very much like all the pubs all had pool tables, 893 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,000 Speaker 1: a sign of a misspent youth. We'll think about that. 894 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,400 Speaker 1: Though you're you're good at bowling, you're good at pool. 895 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,879 Speaker 1: I mean, is that you're obviously good at guitar? Which 896 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,680 Speaker 1: one made you good at which? Because you do have 897 00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,520 Speaker 1: the hand eye coordination there, It's right, it's like coincidence. 898 00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,600 Speaker 1: All those are very hand eye coordinated. Do you think 899 00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,440 Speaker 1: being a good guitar player helps you be a good bowler? 900 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,680 Speaker 1: I suck at base at basketball, I cannot get that 901 00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,640 Speaker 1: thing in the hoop. So there goes that theory. You 902 00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,680 Speaker 1: true or false? You were once a would guitarist for 903 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,239 Speaker 1: a bit for Brooks and Dune. No, never one of 904 00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,239 Speaker 1: the many things on Wikipedia. It's not true. I didn't 905 00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:06,520 Speaker 1: think the bowling was true. I'll be honest with you. 906 00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,760 Speaker 1: I expected to be false. So where did that story 907 00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,400 Speaker 1: come from? Do you know? Yeah, we toured with Brooks 908 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:16,480 Speaker 1: and Done in two thousand and one and I came 909 00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:20,800 Speaker 1: out and played one song with them as a guitarist, 910 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,719 Speaker 1: and I think that then from then on, yeah, I 911 00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,760 Speaker 1: was like the guy in the band. Well, what happened 912 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,640 Speaker 1: was we were going to pull a prank on them, 913 00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,360 Speaker 1: and they had a guitar player in the band, Charlie 914 00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,799 Speaker 1: if forgotten his last name, Charlie, and he had his 915 00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,839 Speaker 1: hat down, really had wore hat worked down super low, 916 00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,080 Speaker 1: had this like leopard print shirt and everything. And during 917 00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,440 Speaker 1: the tourist thinking I could probably masqueraders. I could probably 918 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,839 Speaker 1: pretend to be him and the boys wouldn't even know. 919 00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,320 Speaker 1: And so during one of the shows, Charlie slipped out 920 00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,120 Speaker 1: the back while he was playing. I already had the 921 00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:58,360 Speaker 1: same clothes on, slipped right out and reclaimed his spot 922 00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:02,399 Speaker 1: on the stage and played an entire song, and then 923 00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,960 Speaker 1: in the middle of the when the solo happened, kicks 924 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,240 Speaker 1: goes Charlie and I ran down the front was shredding 925 00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,799 Speaker 1: right in between kicks and running, and it took a 926 00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,480 Speaker 1: bait for them to realize I wasn't, but they realize. 927 00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,200 Speaker 1: So I think that was where this room and got started. 928 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,319 Speaker 1: It's like a Tuesday at your house, like and I 929 00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:26,879 Speaker 1: asked that because you and your wife exclusively are superstars. 930 00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,040 Speaker 1: When you're together, I feel like you're kind of normal. 931 00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:34,080 Speaker 1: It's it's it's a weird situation. Like when I see 932 00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,719 Speaker 1: you two, if we're an event or something. I felt 933 00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:42,280 Speaker 1: like as a couple, you're quite approachable. Individually, it's different 934 00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:43,879 Speaker 1: because I feel like I know you and I could 935 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:48,480 Speaker 1: just come up to you, But individually I would say 936 00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,880 Speaker 1: you're superstar Keith Urban and she is superstar Nicole Kidman. 937 00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,719 Speaker 1: But together it's almost like a normal husband and wife. 938 00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:56,960 Speaker 1: And I have not seen that vibe with any other couple. 939 00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,799 Speaker 1: Usually it's different. It's like they're much more uh there, 940 00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,439 Speaker 1: much less approachable together because there's so much more power there. 941 00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,680 Speaker 1: But it feels like you're a normal, normal married couple 942 00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:11,400 Speaker 1: at home. Is that true? You'd be doing a house 943 00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,640 Speaker 1: it's like super normal. I saw her tell you once 944 00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,920 Speaker 1: that she was gonna stop and get some milk. And 945 00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,160 Speaker 1: I was like, you do that? What do you mean 946 00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,680 Speaker 1: you're gonna get milk? Should it? Someone? You flying that 947 00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:27,160 Speaker 1: in and like flying the cow in the rock and roll? 948 00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:31,680 Speaker 1: And how how how do you guys maintain what do 949 00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,239 Speaker 1: you focus on to try to have normalcy in a 950 00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:39,040 Speaker 1: life that is abnormal? I mean, look love, genuine love 951 00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,680 Speaker 1: and genuine gratitude for what we get to do. Nick 952 00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,680 Speaker 1: has it. I have it, and I think it's we 953 00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,319 Speaker 1: were both raised in a similar thing to Australia's. Really, 954 00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,200 Speaker 1: Australia has a thing called a tall poppy syndrome. Every 955 00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,919 Speaker 1: as he knows about this, and it's if you get 956 00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,200 Speaker 1: too big in the in the South, I'd say, when 957 00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,240 Speaker 1: you get above your raisin, right, they cut you down. 958 00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,120 Speaker 1: You get cut down. The poppy seed plan is another 959 00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,040 Speaker 1: one the tall poppy gets. So that's it. So it's 960 00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,919 Speaker 1: the it's the tall poppy syndrome where you you don't 961 00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,880 Speaker 1: last very long. If you're strutting around with this crazy 962 00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,319 Speaker 1: ego in Australia, you could cut down so fast, so 963 00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,320 Speaker 1: you just are always down to earth. You read the 964 00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:17,840 Speaker 1: down to Earth, you're out of work. It's one of 965 00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:21,239 Speaker 1: the two and it's it's put us in a really 966 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,400 Speaker 1: good place to have a good life because of it. 967 00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,720 Speaker 1: What are you grateful for with her as a person? 968 00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,080 Speaker 1: How does she make you better? I'm sure? And I 969 00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,200 Speaker 1: asked this from a personal, just personal place, because I've 970 00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,720 Speaker 1: never been married. I've never I've never even told anyone 971 00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,120 Speaker 1: I hadn't either, right like, I never there was no 972 00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,200 Speaker 1: I didn't know how to love until now because I 973 00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:41,640 Speaker 1: think you know when you're talking about the trauma from 974 00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,520 Speaker 1: your I struggle with a lot of that trauma until 975 00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,160 Speaker 1: now and still am. But have found someone. But what 976 00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,120 Speaker 1: is it about her as a human that you appreciate 977 00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,319 Speaker 1: so much that brings a different side of you out 978 00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:57,960 Speaker 1: that hadn't been exposed yet? Um? She really loves, genuinely 979 00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:04,840 Speaker 1: loves and as real empathy, compassion, caring and love like 980 00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:09,560 Speaker 1: I've never never experienced before. Do you ever watch her 981 00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,640 Speaker 1: act and go, holy crap, that's so good or do 982 00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:13,120 Speaker 1: you see it all the time where you just expected 983 00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:17,400 Speaker 1: to be great? She's so good And I don't know 984 00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,520 Speaker 1: anything about acting. Sometimes people say a bad actor, I'm like, 985 00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,319 Speaker 1: I'll all look the same to me. However, I was 986 00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:28,160 Speaker 1: watching on Hulu nine strangers, what the whole thing she's 987 00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:32,960 Speaker 1: She's so good in that that you then go, okay, 988 00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:37,360 Speaker 1: that's good acting, like and she is nailing these series. 989 00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,680 Speaker 1: Is if she's in a series, I'll watch it. It's 990 00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:41,960 Speaker 1: just to that point now where if your wife is 991 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,959 Speaker 1: in a series, even if I don't know what it's about, 992 00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,440 Speaker 1: the history of poop, I'm going to I'm going to 993 00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,880 Speaker 1: watch it because she has showed that she's awesome in 994 00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,239 Speaker 1: these things. Do you do you talk about projects with her? 995 00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,399 Speaker 1: Did she talk about projects with you and them together 996 00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,279 Speaker 1: and like should we do this? Yeah? Yeah, because we 997 00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,719 Speaker 1: have to talk about scheduling and where it is and 998 00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,239 Speaker 1: as this going to work? And then of course a 999 00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,319 Speaker 1: lot of the times reading scripts with her, you know, 1000 00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,760 Speaker 1: this is the being the Riccardo's which is the Lucille 1001 00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:11,120 Speaker 1: Ball film that's coming out. Aaron Sulkin wrote most amazing scripts, 1002 00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,680 Speaker 1: and just getting to read these scripts is something that 1003 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:18,960 Speaker 1: is it's surreal you read with her sometimes, Yeah, do 1004 00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:20,840 Speaker 1: you ever want to do that? Especially? No, I have 1005 00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,560 Speaker 1: zero interest in acting, like none zero. Does she ever 1006 00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:29,560 Speaker 1: hear a song of yours and go, yeah, she doesn't 1007 00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:33,839 Speaker 1: have to, I can tell you can. Here's the thing 1008 00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:35,920 Speaker 1: that's more important, and you may be able to relate 1009 00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:39,400 Speaker 1: to this. I realized that whoever I play a song for, 1010 00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:40,960 Speaker 1: and I've had you at the house and i've played 1011 00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,239 Speaker 1: you things before, what how you react that song? Tells 1012 00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,440 Speaker 1: me a lot about the song, But what tells me 1013 00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:50,000 Speaker 1: more is how I feel planet for you. I've learned 1014 00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:53,000 Speaker 1: so much about how I feel about playing somebody a song, 1015 00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,879 Speaker 1: whether it's you, whether it's Nick. Because you know, she 1016 00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:59,000 Speaker 1: may go I love that, and inside I'm thinking I 1017 00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,279 Speaker 1: did until I hate it, and I'm not feeling so 1018 00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,359 Speaker 1: good about it now. So I want to figure out 1019 00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:08,200 Speaker 1: what's going on? What is your relationship with singles, EPs, albums, 1020 00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:12,600 Speaker 1: Because it's a new land out there, it's at tension, 1021 00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,799 Speaker 1: spans are different. Sorry what exactly, but it is getting 1022 00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:18,000 Speaker 1: that way right? Yeah? So how are you feeling these 1023 00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:22,600 Speaker 1: days about twelve fourteen track albums? Why are do you 1024 00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,759 Speaker 1: see you changing? How you're just you know, doing Keith 1025 00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,960 Speaker 1: Urban distribution of music. I I still like to think 1026 00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,280 Speaker 1: it comes down to quality, the quality of something because 1027 00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,400 Speaker 1: people go, oh, people want shorter, the shorter that, And 1028 00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,319 Speaker 1: I'm like, only because a lot of what's out there 1029 00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,880 Speaker 1: it's just not great, It's okay, it's not great, and 1030 00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:41,719 Speaker 1: it's not great because it's having to be churned out 1031 00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,560 Speaker 1: at such a fast right now, because it's content content 1032 00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,160 Speaker 1: content content quick. You have it with your show, and 1033 00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,480 Speaker 1: you you're trying to maintain a level of excellence with 1034 00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:54,400 Speaker 1: this often unrealistic demand for the amount of it. You're 1035 00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,319 Speaker 1: trying to walk a line. How can I give you 1036 00:51:56,360 --> 00:52:00,080 Speaker 1: the best most exactly? That's exactly it. And I'm I 1037 00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,120 Speaker 1: miss a lot because sometimes I do most and sometimes 1038 00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,520 Speaker 1: I do best, but I often don't get it right 1039 00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:07,560 Speaker 1: at the same time. And I think we're in this 1040 00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,360 Speaker 1: a lot in our society right now. The speed of 1041 00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,000 Speaker 1: everything and the and the demand for more and more 1042 00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,759 Speaker 1: and more and more quality takes time. Not always, but 1043 00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:18,719 Speaker 1: most of the time it takes it takes a beat. 1044 00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:28,319 Speaker 1: Do you feel pressure from at this stage of your career, 1045 00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,280 Speaker 1: labels managers like hey, let's go, we need another something 1046 00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,040 Speaker 1: from you, or are you now like guys, you'll get 1047 00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,000 Speaker 1: it when you get it. Yeah, I've never felt that. 1048 00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:40,239 Speaker 1: I've never felt I will say my record company Capital Record, 1049 00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,480 Speaker 1: so I've been with a long time. I've never ever 1050 00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:46,000 Speaker 1: felt anything but support for for what I do. They've 1051 00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,520 Speaker 1: never given me like dragging the record out of my hand, 1052 00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:53,080 Speaker 1: demanding this song with that song. Ever, that've been amazingly supportive. 1053 00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,200 Speaker 1: Do you need a teleprompter ever? For lyrics? You've had 1054 00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:59,160 Speaker 1: so many number one songs? Do you ever need a 1055 00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:03,200 Speaker 1: reminder of words? Do you have to refresh or are 1056 00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,560 Speaker 1: you just there? Yeah, refresh it if it's gonna be 1057 00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:07,920 Speaker 1: an old song. But it's I have a sick memory 1058 00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:11,640 Speaker 1: for lyrics of songs. It's crazy you bring up I 1059 00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:13,200 Speaker 1: I brought it up. But we talked about it with 1060 00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:17,160 Speaker 1: Ronnie Donn, who I've oddly become friends with and we're 1061 00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,080 Speaker 1: opposite in many ways, but we were texting last night 1062 00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,279 Speaker 1: like that's he's there's a big picture when you walked 1063 00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,080 Speaker 1: into this guest house. He sent over to the house 1064 00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:25,480 Speaker 1: of like a bowl or something that was laying on 1065 00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:27,680 Speaker 1: the counter. But Ronnie has and I don't think he 1066 00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:29,520 Speaker 1: would care if I shared this. He has someone in 1067 00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:33,000 Speaker 1: his ear the whole time on a microphone side stage 1068 00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:35,160 Speaker 1: telling him every lyric to every song. He's had it 1069 00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:36,680 Speaker 1: for a long time. He's just like, I don't want 1070 00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:37,800 Speaker 1: to forget and I don't have I don't have a 1071 00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:41,000 Speaker 1: good memory so they're like out in the country, out 1072 00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:44,600 Speaker 1: in the country. I mean they're right in there. That's excellent. 1073 00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,319 Speaker 1: I mean voice of an angel, but holy crap, we 1074 00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,160 Speaker 1: can't remember word for the guy in the ear and 1075 00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:54,759 Speaker 1: it's and it's a yeah, very much though. But you 1076 00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,439 Speaker 1: have it all there for the most part. Boy, he'd 1077 00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,279 Speaker 1: want to be on good terms of that guy, wouldn't he. 1078 00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:04,279 Speaker 1: It's like, Ronnie, don't you run roun Burgundy? It could 1079 00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:08,560 Speaker 1: get Burgundy, san Diego real quick prompted there, let's talk 1080 00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:10,520 Speaker 1: about the new single that I do want to get 1081 00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:13,160 Speaker 1: back to the tour. But the current single is Wild Hearts. 1082 00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:19,880 Speaker 1: Let me play a little bit of this for you. 1083 00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:33,160 Speaker 1: I kind of have a relationship with every songwriter on 1084 00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,560 Speaker 1: this song, which is pretty cool. Eric Passley is a 1085 00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:41,080 Speaker 1: dear friend of mine. Um Jen Wayne Same, she's in now, 1086 00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:44,960 Speaker 1: she's in a group herself away June there it is 1087 00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,560 Speaker 1: brad Tercy from Old Dominion. How does this room come together? 1088 00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:50,919 Speaker 1: Or was it a room that came together? It didn't 1089 00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,399 Speaker 1: come together. I got sent this song as a finished song, 1090 00:54:54,480 --> 00:55:01,279 Speaker 1: two verses, chorus done, and uh, I got pitched the 1091 00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:06,840 Speaker 1: song from Roxy King and I heard it and I 1092 00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,200 Speaker 1: was like, mmmmm, I don't know, it's just I like 1093 00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:12,080 Speaker 1: the chorus. I don't really the rest of us not 1094 00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:14,040 Speaker 1: pulling me in. And so I passed on the song. 1095 00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:16,839 Speaker 1: And then about two weeks later, I woke up one 1096 00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:20,400 Speaker 1: morning singing this chorus in my head and I'm like, 1097 00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:24,040 Speaker 1: what is that? What's that wild Heart song? It's really 1098 00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:27,080 Speaker 1: special chorus. I listened to the song again and I went, man, 1099 00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:30,320 Speaker 1: that chorus is so freaking good. But the verses don't 1100 00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,120 Speaker 1: say anything to me. And so I called the writers 1101 00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:35,720 Speaker 1: and I said would I said it, would you mind 1102 00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,840 Speaker 1: if I rewrote the verses just to make them more personal, 1103 00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,600 Speaker 1: because it's such a personal song. It's, you know, following 1104 00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:43,520 Speaker 1: your dreams, and like, well what about what? You know? 1105 00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:47,520 Speaker 1: What was my dream journey from Australia to hear And 1106 00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,200 Speaker 1: they sent me the track without anything in the verses, 1107 00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:54,560 Speaker 1: and I just rewrote the verses. That's pretty cool one 1108 00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,040 Speaker 1: that they will go yes, And I said to them, 1109 00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:58,680 Speaker 1: I said, I'm a writer, so I get this first 1110 00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:00,560 Speaker 1: of all, and I'm not one of these guys. It's 1111 00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:02,960 Speaker 1: going to be like I added the word the give 1112 00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:07,080 Speaker 1: me right. I've never been that guy. Um, And I said, 1113 00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,560 Speaker 1: you guys have written a top song. It's top to bottom. 1114 00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:11,439 Speaker 1: It's finished, right. If you can pitch it and someone 1115 00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,439 Speaker 1: wants to cut it as is, please do that. I'm 1116 00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,040 Speaker 1: not asking to dismantle your song if someone else wants 1117 00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:19,799 Speaker 1: to record it. But if you are okay and I 1118 00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:21,560 Speaker 1: can rewrite these verses and they come up the way 1119 00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:24,759 Speaker 1: I think they will, I'm definitely recording this song, and 1120 00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,560 Speaker 1: God bless him, they let me do that. The North 1121 00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:30,880 Speaker 1: American Tour The Speed of Now World War Two. Uh, 1122 00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,560 Speaker 1: the tickets are on still now Keith Urban dot com. 1123 00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:35,399 Speaker 1: How long do you think you have another ten years 1124 00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:39,120 Speaker 1: of doing these really high energy shows in you? I 1125 00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,839 Speaker 1: don't even think about that. I mean just the next year, 1126 00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:45,480 Speaker 1: the next show. I mean, I'm injured, my my whole 1127 00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:48,439 Speaker 1: body is still injured from my nat g O show. Yeah. 1128 00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:51,160 Speaker 1: Bet so. Now I think about things in terms like 1129 00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,000 Speaker 1: could I do another three seasons of that show? And 1130 00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,879 Speaker 1: I can't. I now understand, I can't mash her rist 1131 00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,319 Speaker 1: her shoulder heard Everything. Tour is not that show, but 1132 00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:02,399 Speaker 1: your tour. I'm telling you things that you're mad man. 1133 00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:06,560 Speaker 1: Your tour is again is the most energetic show I've 1134 00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,160 Speaker 1: ever seen from a superstar who doesn't have to be 1135 00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:12,120 Speaker 1: that energetic because he's already a superstar. And I mean 1136 00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,560 Speaker 1: that the most complimentary way. You could go out and 1137 00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:15,960 Speaker 1: just put on a solid show and Keith Urban and 1138 00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:18,840 Speaker 1: people will be blown away, but you don't. Your hair 1139 00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:20,680 Speaker 1: is on fire for no other reason than you live 1140 00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,200 Speaker 1: that your art is your hair being on fire during 1141 00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:27,600 Speaker 1: a show. Yeah, yeah, well I only know one volume 1142 00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:29,960 Speaker 1: to get out there and play at there is I mean, 1143 00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:33,360 Speaker 1: if it's real passion and the audience knows it, They're like, 1144 00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:35,880 Speaker 1: that's legit. That's a guy surfing on the wave, not 1145 00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,160 Speaker 1: thinking about it, but it's really happening and I can 1146 00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:40,440 Speaker 1: feel it. It's it's true, it's in the moment. Do 1147 00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:44,400 Speaker 1: you lose yourself in shows? Definitely? Yeah, It's it's a 1148 00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:48,120 Speaker 1: perfect balance of being completely present and completely lost in 1149 00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:51,880 Speaker 1: the moment all simultaneously. Do you ever, Sometimes I'll drive 1150 00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:53,520 Speaker 1: and I'll get somewhere and I'd be like, holy crap, 1151 00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:56,120 Speaker 1: I don't know how I got here, Like subconscious has 1152 00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:57,960 Speaker 1: completely taken over. And then I feel unsafe and I'm like, 1153 00:57:58,240 --> 00:57:59,560 Speaker 1: you're telling me people are driving, And then I start 1154 00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:01,160 Speaker 1: thinking about other idiots who are doing what I did 1155 00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:03,439 Speaker 1: not thinking and driving places. But does that ever happen 1156 00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:05,040 Speaker 1: in the show where you're three songs later and you're like, 1157 00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:08,600 Speaker 1: dear god, how does that even get here? No? No, 1158 00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:11,760 Speaker 1: I mean maybe no, not really, not even a moment. 1159 00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,760 Speaker 1: I was thinking about a moment and a song. Um no, 1160 00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:21,160 Speaker 1: because I don't know. I'm just super present, but I'm 1161 00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:24,720 Speaker 1: also thinking. I'm taking a multi multiprocessing, right, which I 1162 00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:27,360 Speaker 1: think you do it extremely well on your show. You're 1163 00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,400 Speaker 1: listening to me, you're checking that out, you're thinking about 1164 00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,440 Speaker 1: other things. You're probably thinking about some other things you 1165 00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:36,440 Speaker 1: gotta do, and it's all multi processing all at once, 1166 00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,440 Speaker 1: and you totally here as well. I feel like I'm 1167 00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:41,360 Speaker 1: completely present, But I think I'm good at being present 1168 00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:47,600 Speaker 1: while also delegating my mind to do other things the same, 1169 00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,440 Speaker 1: good way to put it, Yeah, what do you say 1170 00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,400 Speaker 1: on that microphone when you walk over that nobody hears 1171 00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:54,480 Speaker 1: you know the microphone? We're talking to it all right, 1172 00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:56,120 Speaker 1: do you have one of those? What do you? What 1173 00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,280 Speaker 1: do you when you walk back, it's four songs in 1174 00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:00,400 Speaker 1: and only your guys on stage you can hear, are you? 1175 00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:03,760 Speaker 1: Because for those that don't know, some of my friends 1176 00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,080 Speaker 1: that have them call them, Uh, we'll call it a 1177 00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,520 Speaker 1: b mike with the word rich, like we're talking to 1178 00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:11,320 Speaker 1: the rich mike. If you're going to that microphone, what 1179 00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:12,800 Speaker 1: are you saying in the middle of a show? Why 1180 00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:14,200 Speaker 1: would it might be called that? But I don't have 1181 00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,440 Speaker 1: no idea, but that's what That's the only thing I 1182 00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:18,640 Speaker 1: know it has. Right, Oh, that's weird. I've never heard 1183 00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:22,200 Speaker 1: that expression. Oh you haven't. No, I never heard that. 1184 00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:25,160 Speaker 1: Well I don't say it, but that's crazy. So we 1185 00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:26,880 Speaker 1: stole it from Kenny Chesney when I was on two 1186 00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:28,600 Speaker 1: with him and I saw he had one, and I'm like, well, 1187 00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:31,120 Speaker 1: that's perfect because everyone's got in ears and you can 1188 00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:34,400 Speaker 1: actually talk to everyone to get out over the top. 1189 00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:38,720 Speaker 1: You're not at all not that mike. What do you say? 1190 00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:41,080 Speaker 1: Is it like, hey guys, we're gonna switch songs or 1191 00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:42,800 Speaker 1: we're gonna play in a different or on my throat her? 1192 00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:45,240 Speaker 1: Like what? It could be something to my guitar, tech, 1193 00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:47,919 Speaker 1: could be something to the monitor guy, could be something 1194 00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,680 Speaker 1: to the band. It could be something to security. It 1195 00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:52,960 Speaker 1: could just be really like you see something out there. 1196 00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:55,160 Speaker 1: For sure, security has ears in and they can hear that. 1197 00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,080 Speaker 1: I know that it's gonna get to where it's going 1198 00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:00,320 Speaker 1: to get to. If maybe not directly, someone will relay 1199 01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:02,920 Speaker 1: the message. But yeah, if I feel like there's just 1200 01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,640 Speaker 1: heavy handed security at a place, not letting people have 1201 01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:08,479 Speaker 1: fun or anything like that, make sure it gets taken 1202 01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:11,600 Speaker 1: care of. Definitely. Of all the things that you do. 1203 01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:14,760 Speaker 1: As we wrap this up, one of my favorites is 1204 01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:16,560 Speaker 1: when you and I haven't seen it in a while 1205 01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:21,000 Speaker 1: because you haven't been on the road as normal no 1206 01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,920 Speaker 1: one has. Right when you do those videos with the 1207 01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:26,720 Speaker 1: police escort behind you and you're like, thank you guys, great, 1208 01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:29,400 Speaker 1: Like I love the blue light video at the end 1209 01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:33,320 Speaker 1: of the show, right, that's funny. So much so that 1210 01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:36,040 Speaker 1: there have been a couple of times where you know, 1211 01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:38,280 Speaker 1: we did a we've done a couple of shows. We 1212 01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,320 Speaker 1: did a festival and I throw a festival in Texas 1213 01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:41,680 Speaker 1: and we had like four or five thousand people and 1214 01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:42,800 Speaker 1: we had to get out, and I was like, Hey, 1215 01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:44,640 Speaker 1: I'm wanna get that blue light like either, I gotta 1216 01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:46,680 Speaker 1: get that shot. So you're inspiring me in ways you 1217 01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:48,960 Speaker 1: had no idea. Just right, it's much better having in 1218 01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:50,680 Speaker 1: front of you than behind you. Let me tell you, 1219 01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:52,680 Speaker 1: I would agree with I've spent white more years with 1220 01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:55,480 Speaker 1: the opposite, So this is nice, Mike. Anything that I 1221 01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:58,120 Speaker 1: have missed that we need to address with Keith before 1222 01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:00,480 Speaker 1: he leaves, I think that's everything. It's a day savings 1223 01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:02,360 Speaker 1: time just about. So it's getting darker now and so 1224 01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:05,200 Speaker 1: it feels like it's midnight. I'm a little tired, kind 1225 01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:07,360 Speaker 1: of run through it here. Anything you'd like to say, Read, 1226 01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:09,520 Speaker 1: you're a massive Keith fan. Read is my video guy. 1227 01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:12,320 Speaker 1: He's been looking for people looking forward to this whole life, 1228 01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:15,440 Speaker 1: so read. This is your one shot with Keith. Is 1229 01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:18,160 Speaker 1: there anything take a deep breath, all right that you'd 1230 01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:23,080 Speaker 1: like to ask Keith? Alright, Keith, I don't know. All 1231 01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:27,480 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about is uh. When I first started learning guitar, 1232 01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:32,520 Speaker 1: my dad got me your Golden Road DVD that had 1233 01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:34,720 Speaker 1: all the music videos on it, and I would stand 1234 01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:36,000 Speaker 1: in front of the TV and I would trying to 1235 01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,200 Speaker 1: mimic and try to learn learn the songs. And it 1236 01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:41,520 Speaker 1: was god awful. But I remember that moment. And then 1237 01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:43,880 Speaker 1: I got the pleasure of going to your show. I 1238 01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:48,320 Speaker 1: think it was in Dallas like three no, maybe like 1239 01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:51,400 Speaker 1: two years ago, and my girlfriend got me the tickets 1240 01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:53,880 Speaker 1: and and of course you're out in the crowd running 1241 01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:57,160 Speaker 1: around and you came up to us and I can 1242 01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:01,120 Speaker 1: just remember my my girlfriend just going kid Keith, but 1243 01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:06,520 Speaker 1: that was probably me actually, but yeah, so those are 1244 01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:08,120 Speaker 1: just the moments that came up to me. But I 1245 01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:10,760 Speaker 1: was a huge fan. Man, Thank you so much. How's 1246 01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:14,040 Speaker 1: the plane coming along? Oh it's it's good. Yeah you 1247 01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:18,439 Speaker 1: still playing? Yeah, yes, sir, M Yeah, I love songwriting. Uh. 1248 01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:20,920 Speaker 1: I don't do a lot of playing shows or anything, 1249 01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:23,480 Speaker 1: but um I love to produce my own music as 1250 01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:27,000 Speaker 1: well and and and write songs. So right, yes, sir, Yeah, 1251 01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:30,040 Speaker 1: there we haven't any emotional an emotional moment here. I'll 1252 01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:32,320 Speaker 1: mention this before you go to I as we were 1253 01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:37,000 Speaker 1: walking out of our wedding, we played God Whispered Your Name. Wow. 1254 01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:41,400 Speaker 1: The writers or one of the writers saw me out. 1255 01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:43,280 Speaker 1: I was getting some ice cream with Caitlin and he 1256 01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:45,960 Speaker 1: was like, you guys played when God Whispered you Name 1257 01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:47,320 Speaker 1: at your wedding and I was like, first time I 1258 01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:49,400 Speaker 1: keeps singing that song. I was like, that's it, Like 1259 01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:51,320 Speaker 1: I felt that's that's one of those rare songs in 1260 01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:53,240 Speaker 1: my life where I was like because when I heard 1261 01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:56,080 Speaker 1: it the first time, I thought, if I can ever 1262 01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:59,120 Speaker 1: have this in my life, that's it. And then when 1263 01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:02,040 Speaker 1: I met my wife, now, I went, this is that 1264 01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:06,960 Speaker 1: song like it was the songwriting, it was the delivery, 1265 01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:09,800 Speaker 1: it was the texture, all of those things together in 1266 01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:11,840 Speaker 1: that song. I remember thinking, man, if I ever find 1267 01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:13,960 Speaker 1: this because I heard a song before I knew her, 1268 01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:17,120 Speaker 1: But when I met her and I was like, oh, 1269 01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:20,880 Speaker 1: this is when God whispered your name. Wow, And it's 1270 01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:22,640 Speaker 1: one of those few moments where a song that you're 1271 01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:30,160 Speaker 1: super romantic punches you in the gut. Yeah, okay, maybe 1272 01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:33,120 Speaker 1: you got you got married and you love that kind 1273 01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:35,959 Speaker 1: of song and yeah yeah. Dan and Shid played winning 1274 01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:40,840 Speaker 1: Yes and they The funny part about that was my 1275 01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:43,680 Speaker 1: wife and Abby Smires are really close friends. Dan and 1276 01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:47,520 Speaker 1: I have been buddies for a long time, and I 1277 01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:51,120 Speaker 1: was like, hey, look you get because they're like, whatever 1278 01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:52,920 Speaker 1: you want, we'll play. Like Dan was like, well you 1279 01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:54,760 Speaker 1: didn't even ask us, Like we'll play whatever you want. 1280 01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:56,280 Speaker 1: And I think they expected us to pick one of 1281 01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:58,919 Speaker 1: their songs because they have a hundred love songs the best, 1282 01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:01,680 Speaker 1: but I didn't. I picked the Beach Boys song. What 1283 01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:05,120 Speaker 1: song did you pick? Forever? I don't know this and everyone. 1284 01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:09,640 Speaker 1: I said, make you laugh, I talk forever um. Dennis 1285 01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:11,880 Speaker 1: Wilson wrote it. I didn't know that song. Jesse and 1286 01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:14,280 Speaker 1: the Rippers later did it on Full House. Dennis Wilson 1287 01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:18,000 Speaker 1: wrote it and the drummer well, and they crushed it 1288 01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:21,240 Speaker 1: and for and they did, so they put it on. 1289 01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:23,000 Speaker 1: They give us the file. They recorded it as well 1290 01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:24,720 Speaker 1: as a wedding gift to us and gave it to us. 1291 01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:27,320 Speaker 1: It was awesome, amazing, And what was cool was even 1292 01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:29,640 Speaker 1: Ronnie was like, hey, you don't want anything for your wedding, 1293 01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:31,600 Speaker 1: Like I can't get you anything. What do you mean 1294 01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:33,439 Speaker 1: to sing? And I was like, that's the greatest gift ever. 1295 01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:36,960 Speaker 1: So he's saying, Neon Moon. It was awesome. Goodness is awesome. 1296 01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:41,640 Speaker 1: How did he remember the words? I worried too. I said, 1297 01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:43,000 Speaker 1: do we need to get that mike for you over 1298 01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:45,480 Speaker 1: on the side. We didn't He knew the words though, 1299 01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:47,640 Speaker 1: had the still phone up here the whole time. All right, 1300 01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:51,120 Speaker 1: get tickets throw on sale today. Keith Urban the Speed 1301 01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:54,320 Speaker 1: of Now World toward two. They're up. Go see him. 1302 01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:56,920 Speaker 1: This podcast. This show has heard in all kinds of countries, 1303 01:04:56,960 --> 01:05:00,200 Speaker 1: so obviously North America, but all over the world. Um, 1304 01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:01,560 Speaker 1: I don't know how you do it. I don't know 1305 01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:03,720 Speaker 1: how you do it is you. I love what I do. 1306 01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:05,840 Speaker 1: I love what I get to do. And truly it's 1307 01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:08,520 Speaker 1: a game. You know. People go, oh, it's a gift 1308 01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:13,040 Speaker 1: every day. It really is. And I'll finish with this 1309 01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:16,080 Speaker 1: because I think it's what is what it's all about. 1310 01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:20,280 Speaker 1: Is I went like born with the addictive gene. I 1311 01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:23,200 Speaker 1: went to three rehabs in the span of three years, 1312 01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:26,680 Speaker 1: in the span of eight years, the first three, second 1313 01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:28,480 Speaker 1: one was two thousand and three, and my third one 1314 01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:31,200 Speaker 1: was two thousand and six, and it took what it 1315 01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:36,600 Speaker 1: took for me to finally get sober um and that 1316 01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:41,680 Speaker 1: journey brought the deepest, deepest level of gratitude for what 1317 01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:44,040 Speaker 1: I get to do that I don't know if I 1318 01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:47,280 Speaker 1: ever would have gotten that gratitude level without that journey. 1319 01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:49,560 Speaker 1: I think when you come close to losing all of 1320 01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:52,600 Speaker 1: that and then it gets given back to you through 1321 01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:56,360 Speaker 1: grace in my case getting back to me, I was like, 1322 01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:58,760 Speaker 1: I'm never going to take this for granted ever again. 1323 01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:02,320 Speaker 1: Does it make you a more a giving person going 1324 01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:04,680 Speaker 1: through because for me, I have found that growing up 1325 01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:07,640 Speaker 1: a poverty kid and someone who's been through those struggles 1326 01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:11,919 Speaker 1: with addiction. Secondary that affects me and how I treat 1327 01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:15,240 Speaker 1: other people. Do you think you were two different people 1328 01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:19,760 Speaker 1: before and after your final run, your your final time 1329 01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:25,000 Speaker 1: and rehab. Very much? Yeah, and yes, I separate the 1330 01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:28,680 Speaker 1: person from the addiction. You are known as one of 1331 01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:32,280 Speaker 1: the nicer guys in town, just generally by people like 1332 01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:35,600 Speaker 1: Keith urban Is the nicest guy. Were you known early 1333 01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:38,360 Speaker 1: in your career? Is that guy? Were you always just 1334 01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:41,320 Speaker 1: completely dialed into the human aspect of people, because now 1335 01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:43,520 Speaker 1: you are and you're known for that. I like people, 1336 01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:47,360 Speaker 1: and then I like collaborating. I love Yeah, I love people. 1337 01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:49,720 Speaker 1: I've always loved people. You've always been a nice guy. 1338 01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:53,160 Speaker 1: I've always I think I've always been um bridge builder. 1339 01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:56,880 Speaker 1: I'm a bridge builder. I'm in entertaina. You know. I 1340 01:06:56,920 --> 01:07:00,280 Speaker 1: think I was the that was the it was the 1341 01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:03,120 Speaker 1: the peace person. You know, if you have an identity 1342 01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:06,400 Speaker 1: in your home. I was the bridge building between my 1343 01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:08,560 Speaker 1: brother and my father, always trying to kill each other. 1344 01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:10,960 Speaker 1: I was like, interesting, I'm gonna I'm gonna be the 1345 01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:13,160 Speaker 1: one that keeps the peace here. And I think I've 1346 01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:15,160 Speaker 1: carried that into my life. All right, go to a show, 1347 01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:19,280 Speaker 1: Listen to the music. Keith Urban. Thank you. It's always 1348 01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:21,000 Speaker 1: good to talk. Good to talk to you too. There 1349 01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:21,760 Speaker 1: he is, Keith Urban