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Speaker 1: School of Humans. Oh my god, here we are. It's

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Speaker 1: another episode of Cadaver Gal's the show where we talk

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Speaker 1: about all the ways you can die to cope with

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Speaker 1: our own mortality. I'm one of your hosts, Gabby, along

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Speaker 1: with Taylor Oh hello, and Nika Hi, Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: look too fun and flirty buddies and me. Only two

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Speaker 1: of us are fun and flirty, and then one's just Gabby. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: one's fun, one's flirty, one's Gabby perfect. So Nika is

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Speaker 1: going today. Nika is going to tell us about a

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Speaker 1: particularly horrific type of torture, so that's going to be fun.

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Speaker 1: Everyone's happy about it. And then Taylor is going to

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Speaker 1: tell us about how an instrument led to one man's demise.

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Speaker 1: Some content and trigger warnings for today. We have sexual abuse,

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Speaker 1: animal abuse, torture, disease, and infection, and dude to be

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Speaker 1: playing their instruments all the time. Those dudes that be

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Speaker 1: playing their instruments all the time, that's where that's where

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Speaker 1: we'll get you. Yeah, I bet. Luckily, I don't think

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Speaker 1: think at least we can be happy about that. So

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Speaker 1: this is cadaver gals and cue the musical, Oh cadaver gals.

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Speaker 1: Here we are just being having fun and I want

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Speaker 1: you guys to really get ready for this story that

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Speaker 1: Nika is about to tell, because I looked at it

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Speaker 1: a little bit too, and I was like, oh no,

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Speaker 1: oh no, oh no oh no, it's correct, Nika. What

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Speaker 1: are you talking about today? Well, I need to tell

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Speaker 1: you guys, I need to confess. Let's get catholic here,

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Speaker 1: m I need to confess about something. I call me daddy,

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Speaker 1: preest daddy. Okay. I have a personal I don't want

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Speaker 1: Gabby has band merch and the Bend merch is like

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Speaker 1: a white tea that says the future is full of rats.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know why I bought that shirt from

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Speaker 1: Gabby because an ideal future for me is one without rats,

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Speaker 1: like I would rather never see one ever in my lifetime.

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Speaker 1: I think that's just because you're a good friend. So

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Speaker 1: I thank you for purchasing a shirt. Taylor didn't buy one.

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Speaker 1: I didn't, but I didn't, Taylor, you know I missed out.

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Speaker 1: I want one, though, Can I still get one to

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Speaker 1: light to late you? You and all the listeners can

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Speaker 1: visit my website and now, yeah, but Taylor, you can't know. Okay, great, okay, anyway, Well,

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Speaker 1: but Mika, I will say that's a pretty I would

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Speaker 1: say that's a pretty fair fear. It's a natural it's

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Speaker 1: just super uncomfortable with squirrels. It's like, you know what, Okay,

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Speaker 1: like anyway they are, but also like rats can transmit

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Speaker 1: much as we are a squirrel or rat tails? No, no,

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Speaker 1: have you seen their behinds? Yeah? It's gross, it is

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Speaker 1: gross anyway. Um, all that to say. In Cadavergals, I

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Speaker 1: of here? Is that gaslighting, Nika, what you're doing? Never,

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Speaker 1: torture like, yay, they're doing it, my little rat buddies. Yes.

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Speaker 1: And also I found out that another guy is connected

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Speaker 1: Sigmund Freud. I do love Freud. So he dealt with

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00:25:32,805 --> 00:25:35,245
Speaker 1: they would just leave you out in like a nice field.

421
00:25:35,685 --> 00:25:37,925
Speaker 1: And also they would lather you in honey. So because

422
00:25:37,965 --> 00:25:40,165
Speaker 1: of that honey, but then mostly because of the excrement,

423
00:25:40,245 --> 00:25:44,125
Speaker 1: a lot of bugs insects would come to your body

424
00:25:44,925 --> 00:25:47,765
Speaker 1: start biting you the wasp, etc. But the worst thing

425
00:25:48,005 --> 00:25:50,445
Speaker 1: is that they would start, you know, laying eggs in

426
00:25:50,565 --> 00:25:53,725
Speaker 1: your excrement, which sometimes then went up into your anus,

427
00:25:54,285 --> 00:25:58,285
Speaker 1: and then you would die from septic shock because maggots

428
00:25:58,325 --> 00:26:01,645
Speaker 1: were living inside of your body. I'm literally dying of

429
00:26:01,765 --> 00:26:06,525
Speaker 1: just show yeahs and this what you know. The one

430
00:26:06,565 --> 00:26:08,885
Speaker 1: account that they that I saw that you know, quote

431
00:26:08,965 --> 00:26:13,285
Speaker 1: unquote for sure happened. The death was an agonizing seventeen days.

432
00:26:13,645 --> 00:26:20,805
Speaker 1: So seven days, no, yes, and you have maggots living

433
00:26:20,845 --> 00:26:29,605
Speaker 1: inside of your disgusting. That is disgusting, smiling, gabby, disgusting, stressed.

434
00:26:30,405 --> 00:26:34,205
Speaker 1: Oh no, also very expensive milk and honey. That's a

435
00:26:34,325 --> 00:26:38,565
Speaker 1: lot lathering someone in honey. It is kind of like

436
00:26:38,685 --> 00:26:42,965
Speaker 1: an interesting, uh juxtaposition or just like this decadence of

437
00:26:43,125 --> 00:26:46,725
Speaker 1: this death in some way, but also it's horrible. So

438
00:26:49,725 --> 00:26:54,565
Speaker 1: Taylor m yeah, feeling can you brighten our day? Are

439
00:26:54,645 --> 00:26:57,285
Speaker 1: you going to brighten our day with this? So that's

440
00:26:57,325 --> 00:26:59,325
Speaker 1: the end of what we're talking about with animal stuff

441
00:26:59,405 --> 00:27:02,325
Speaker 1: because we're all we're all feeling a little bad now.

442
00:27:02,485 --> 00:27:05,925
Speaker 1: So with who but Taylor m hm, you have a

443
00:27:06,685 --> 00:27:11,565
Speaker 1: tale for us about instruments and death. So Taylor taken away,

444
00:27:11,645 --> 00:27:16,525
Speaker 1: I do, okay. So this is about this englishman from

445
00:27:17,005 --> 00:27:20,765
Speaker 1: he was sixty one. He is not named, so I

446
00:27:20,925 --> 00:27:23,445
Speaker 1: was thinking I'm thinking of either should we call him

447
00:27:23,525 --> 00:27:28,405
Speaker 1: Harry or Liam or like, are you a direction or no?

448
00:27:28,645 --> 00:27:32,085
Speaker 1: Those are Harry? Okay, Harry? Yeah, I like Harry. Okay,

449
00:27:32,165 --> 00:27:36,005
Speaker 1: hold on Harry's styles. This is not about Harry styles.

450
00:27:36,245 --> 00:27:40,005
Speaker 1: This is just about a man we're gonna call Harry anyway.

451
00:27:40,405 --> 00:27:44,325
Speaker 1: So this man, Harry, spent seven years with difficulties breathing.

452
00:27:45,125 --> 00:27:48,885
Speaker 1: This was in twenty fourteen, so pre COVID. He would

453
00:27:48,885 --> 00:27:50,485
Speaker 1: go to the hospital, was like in and out of

454
00:27:50,485 --> 00:27:55,245
Speaker 1: the hospital and is diagnosed eventually with hypersensitivity pneumonitis or HP.

455
00:27:55,445 --> 00:27:58,525
Speaker 1: That's why I'm going to call it because that's less difficult,

456
00:27:59,365 --> 00:28:02,925
Speaker 1: like an HP printer. What is that? It is an

457
00:28:03,005 --> 00:28:06,685
Speaker 1: allergy to like a mold or funk gus or a dust,

458
00:28:06,965 --> 00:28:11,285
Speaker 1: which is more or less allergies, but typically so you know,

459
00:28:11,445 --> 00:28:13,325
Speaker 1: when he first went in, they were like, oh, like,

460
00:28:13,445 --> 00:28:17,645
Speaker 1: let's treat you for allergies, but nothing was working. But honestly,

461
00:28:17,725 --> 00:28:20,605
Speaker 1: I don't know anybody that has allergies that has like

462
00:28:20,685 --> 00:28:23,725
Speaker 1: a salt for that anyway. So if you know someone

463
00:28:23,965 --> 00:28:26,085
Speaker 1: that knows how to like fix allergies, I'm sure there's

464
00:28:26,085 --> 00:28:27,245
Speaker 1: a lot of people they would love to know that.

465
00:28:27,485 --> 00:28:30,285
Speaker 1: I mean, like your tech like you know, but not

466
00:28:30,605 --> 00:28:32,685
Speaker 1: not permanent. I know what you mean, but you know

467
00:28:32,725 --> 00:28:35,565
Speaker 1: what I mean, like, yeah, everybody, well they're still taking

468
00:28:35,605 --> 00:28:38,765
Speaker 1: like zerotech or whatever every single day and nothing. They

469
00:28:38,805 --> 00:28:42,405
Speaker 1: still seem miserable. Luckily I don't have allergies that bad.

470
00:28:42,565 --> 00:28:45,285
Speaker 1: Just got to wait it out, just wait it out. Well,

471
00:28:46,045 --> 00:28:48,805
Speaker 1: all right, so poor Harry here, You're like, she didn't

472
00:28:48,805 --> 00:28:50,645
Speaker 1: work out for him, but okay, I don't work out

473
00:28:50,645 --> 00:28:54,565
Speaker 1: for him. Well okay, so so HP is. Actually it's

474
00:28:54,605 --> 00:28:57,725
Speaker 1: known to be a risk too many farmers, spall workers,

475
00:28:57,965 --> 00:29:04,285
Speaker 1: cheese workers, food processors, cheese workers. Who's a cheese worker. Look,

476
00:29:04,445 --> 00:29:08,165
Speaker 1: I have a cheese work. I've heard. I've heard that

477
00:29:08,245 --> 00:29:10,645
Speaker 1: it also affects. I read a really interesting article about

478
00:29:10,645 --> 00:29:12,245
Speaker 1: this litterally years ago. But you guys know that I

479
00:29:12,325 --> 00:29:14,285
Speaker 1: go get my nails done all the time. Well, I

480
00:29:14,405 --> 00:29:16,605
Speaker 1: used to pre COVID. But people who do like a

481
00:29:16,645 --> 00:29:18,925
Speaker 1: curl like nails all day also have that because they're

482
00:29:18,965 --> 00:29:24,005
Speaker 1: constantly breathing in the fumes from the paint or like

483
00:29:24,125 --> 00:29:26,885
Speaker 1: the glue or like your nail shark, like your nail

484
00:29:26,925 --> 00:29:29,525
Speaker 1: powder coming out, Like it's a whole thing, and it's

485
00:29:29,645 --> 00:29:33,685
Speaker 1: really dangerous and terrible. Yeah, it's it's something. It can

486
00:29:33,725 --> 00:29:37,525
Speaker 1: be found an animal for water, hey, basically stuff that

487
00:29:37,605 --> 00:29:40,685
Speaker 1: doesn't drive very well, and like what happens when stuff

488
00:29:40,725 --> 00:29:45,285
Speaker 1: doesn't drive very well, it gets moldy. Anyway, So Harry

489
00:29:45,485 --> 00:29:47,685
Speaker 1: struggled to breathe quite a bit. He had a dry

490
00:29:47,765 --> 00:29:51,285
Speaker 1: cough in and out of the hospital, and then at

491
00:29:51,325 --> 00:29:53,965
Speaker 1: one point he's like, yo, I need just I need

492
00:29:54,005 --> 00:29:56,245
Speaker 1: a vacation. I actually don't know if he was vacationing

493
00:29:56,245 --> 00:29:58,165
Speaker 1: if it was for work, but he was in Australia

494
00:29:58,285 --> 00:30:01,925
Speaker 1: for three months and he gets better. He's able to

495
00:30:02,045 --> 00:30:03,925
Speaker 1: do a long walk, which he hasn't been able to

496
00:30:03,965 --> 00:30:06,525
Speaker 1: do for years, and he is like feeling so good

497
00:30:06,605 --> 00:30:11,285
Speaker 1: and hopeful. Things were getting better. But this is good africal,

498
00:30:11,445 --> 00:30:16,445
Speaker 1: so things then got worse again. Great description show great.

499
00:30:17,485 --> 00:30:22,045
Speaker 1: So Harry returns back to England and he's back in distress.

500
00:30:22,445 --> 00:30:26,005
Speaker 1: He can't walk even short distances, like to the mailbox

501
00:30:26,125 --> 00:30:29,285
Speaker 1: or something. So doctors go all house on him, right,

502
00:30:29,365 --> 00:30:31,605
Speaker 1: and they search it. They were like looking for in

503
00:30:31,725 --> 00:30:34,405
Speaker 1: his house for mold. They're like, no, farmers, Like they're

504
00:30:34,845 --> 00:30:38,205
Speaker 1: interviewing him, like why could you possibly have this allergy?

505
00:30:38,285 --> 00:30:40,525
Speaker 1: Where is it coming from? Because basically the way to

506
00:30:40,565 --> 00:30:44,085
Speaker 1: get rid of it is to eliminate the issue, eliminate

507
00:30:44,165 --> 00:30:45,925
Speaker 1: the mold. But they like couldn't figure it out, and

508
00:30:45,925 --> 00:30:50,045
Speaker 1: they're stumped, and it is too late because poor Harry expires.

509
00:30:50,645 --> 00:30:53,405
Speaker 1: That's a that's a way to say it. Fast forward

510
00:30:53,445 --> 00:30:56,725
Speaker 1: two years and lo and behold, doctors missed one very

511
00:30:56,845 --> 00:31:02,005
Speaker 1: key aspect of Harry's life. Harry was an avid backpiper.

512
00:31:02,525 --> 00:31:05,765
Speaker 1: He played every single day except for those three that

513
00:31:05,765 --> 00:31:08,685
Speaker 1: he was in Australia, which is where he was feeling

514
00:31:08,725 --> 00:31:12,205
Speaker 1: pretty good. So two years too late, they figure out

515
00:31:12,245 --> 00:31:16,205
Speaker 1: what happened. They could have fixed it, but too late.

516
00:31:16,365 --> 00:31:21,925
Speaker 1: Wait what about a bagpipe though? What's wrong with the bagpipe? Oh?

517
00:31:22,045 --> 00:31:25,205
Speaker 1: Does it make mold? So this condition can be called

518
00:31:25,405 --> 00:31:29,125
Speaker 1: bag it from this incident is called bagpipe lung. It's

519
00:31:29,165 --> 00:31:32,205
Speaker 1: also known as farmers lung or my favorite, which is

520
00:31:32,565 --> 00:31:38,165
Speaker 1: pigeon fanciers lung, which pigeon fancier. So yeah, as funny

521
00:31:38,205 --> 00:31:41,645
Speaker 1: as that sound sounds, it should be taken like I

522
00:31:41,685 --> 00:31:44,765
Speaker 1: don't know if it's like taken very seriously, but because

523
00:31:44,805 --> 00:31:46,685
Speaker 1: it's just like people who are around birds a lot.

524
00:31:46,805 --> 00:31:50,525
Speaker 1: But like, oh no way, wait, but is it that

525
00:31:50,645 --> 00:31:55,325
Speaker 1: birds have disease or what? Yes? What okay, okay, like

526
00:31:55,525 --> 00:31:58,925
Speaker 1: from like their poop and not you know, being around

527
00:31:59,005 --> 00:32:05,925
Speaker 1: that like mold and stuff. Yes, yes, I just because

528
00:32:06,565 --> 00:32:09,325
Speaker 1: feathers I do. Yeah, I know I hear what you're saying,

529
00:32:09,325 --> 00:32:11,605
Speaker 1: but I just didn't know, like what, yeah, how do

530
00:32:11,725 --> 00:32:15,725
Speaker 1: people plays a bagpipe? Yeah, they call it like pigeon

531
00:32:15,845 --> 00:32:18,365
Speaker 1: fanciers and like far like they just need to call

532
00:32:18,485 --> 00:32:20,445
Speaker 1: it something. I mean, they're just I feel like they're

533
00:32:21,365 --> 00:32:24,365
Speaker 1: making jokes of this condition and I just don't think

534
00:32:24,405 --> 00:32:30,645
Speaker 1: that's very nice. Yeah, you Taylor tells taken on science again.

535
00:32:30,885 --> 00:32:35,325
Speaker 1: So scientists they find his bagpipe, test it and there

536
00:32:35,405 --> 00:32:39,525
Speaker 1: it is pink yeast in the bag, fungus in the mouthpiece,

537
00:32:40,565 --> 00:32:42,965
Speaker 1: and all of the other parts. There's lots of aspects

538
00:32:43,005 --> 00:32:45,765
Speaker 1: and parts of a bagpipe. So he was breathing in

539
00:32:45,885 --> 00:32:49,165
Speaker 1: these spores every single day, and these spores were like

540
00:32:49,325 --> 00:32:52,365
Speaker 1: causing scarring on his lungs, which were then causing his

541
00:32:52,725 --> 00:32:57,885
Speaker 1: difficulties breathing and cough and ultimately his demise. So after

542
00:32:58,045 --> 00:33:00,925
Speaker 1: this there is like so many articles come out like

543
00:33:01,285 --> 00:33:04,045
Speaker 1: as a PSA, like, hey, everybody who plays an instrument,

544
00:33:04,245 --> 00:33:08,085
Speaker 1: the like a wind andstrument, clean your instrument, like right now?

545
00:33:08,445 --> 00:33:12,645
Speaker 1: Do it? Do it all the time because you could die. Yes,

546
00:33:13,805 --> 00:33:16,325
Speaker 1: please clean your instruments. Um. But also I think, just

547
00:33:16,485 --> 00:33:20,085
Speaker 1: generally speaking, like let's just be clean people. Um, you know,

548
00:33:20,245 --> 00:33:22,645
Speaker 1: wash your hands. I mean I guess if you play

549
00:33:22,645 --> 00:33:25,925
Speaker 1: an instrument that's like literally a sack of like what

550
00:33:26,165 --> 00:33:29,685
Speaker 1: that you spit into might be yeah good? Soh my gosh,

551
00:33:29,765 --> 00:33:33,885
Speaker 1: wash your vibrators. Oh my gosh. I'm thinking about about

552
00:33:33,925 --> 00:33:35,565
Speaker 1: are you just like having an epiphany that you need

553
00:33:35,605 --> 00:33:38,125
Speaker 1: to wash that? I know you have to watch it.

554
00:33:38,325 --> 00:33:41,085
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking of like materials that we interact with

555
00:33:41,605 --> 00:33:47,485
Speaker 1: daily that you know, involve fluids, and I'm like, oh

556
00:33:47,565 --> 00:33:53,765
Speaker 1: my gosh, people need to know these things. Yeah, anything

557
00:33:54,285 --> 00:33:57,925
Speaker 1: anything that, Yeah, especially anything that like encounters any kind

558
00:33:57,925 --> 00:34:06,245
Speaker 1: of moisture because water cans great sports to grow. Anyway,

559
00:34:06,285 --> 00:34:08,285
Speaker 1: so I'm sure you all have seen a bagpipe's I'm

560
00:34:08,325 --> 00:34:11,245
Speaker 1: gonna break it down. Okay, are you ready? It's got

561
00:34:11,325 --> 00:34:20,925
Speaker 1: a bag and some pipes, you say, hey, so all right.

562
00:34:21,005 --> 00:34:24,525
Speaker 1: So anyway, so for the bagpipe, you have to season

563
00:34:25,005 --> 00:34:29,125
Speaker 1: your bag and that way there's it kind of helps

564
00:34:30,125 --> 00:34:33,725
Speaker 1: not trapping in moisture. It also the reason that they

565
00:34:33,725 --> 00:34:36,365
Speaker 1: originally did was so that it's sealed completely and so

566
00:34:36,525 --> 00:34:39,045
Speaker 1: that no error is escaping. But it also helps to

567
00:34:39,845 --> 00:34:42,485
Speaker 1: not wrot the bag, not grow funk the fungus that

568
00:34:42,605 --> 00:34:46,245
Speaker 1: kills you. So it's suggested, depending on how you use

569
00:34:46,365 --> 00:34:50,605
Speaker 1: your bagpipe, that you must season at least twice a yearish,

570
00:34:50,685 --> 00:34:53,125
Speaker 1: which is actually less than I was kind of anticipating.

571
00:34:53,205 --> 00:34:55,645
Speaker 1: But you know, does that like with paprika and salt

572
00:34:55,725 --> 00:34:58,845
Speaker 1: and pepper? How do you see? What is a bagpipe season? Yeah?

573
00:34:59,245 --> 00:35:03,445
Speaker 1: So does it taste good? Well? So hang on, before

574
00:35:03,485 --> 00:35:06,605
Speaker 1: we get to that, I just want to mention some

575
00:35:06,805 --> 00:35:10,045
Speaker 1: of the factors that go into why you have to

576
00:35:10,125 --> 00:35:15,285
Speaker 1: season and one is the type of leather, and two

577
00:35:15,765 --> 00:35:22,245
Speaker 1: is if you're a wet or a dry blower. I know,

578
00:35:22,525 --> 00:35:26,245
Speaker 1: I know Taylor enjoyed saying that. I love saying that,

579
00:35:26,645 --> 00:35:29,805
Speaker 1: and you know that I would love that exactly. I

580
00:35:29,885 --> 00:35:31,685
Speaker 1: had to say it because I knew y'all would love it.

581
00:35:31,845 --> 00:35:34,085
Speaker 1: And it's like a buzz speed quiz are you a

582
00:35:34,165 --> 00:35:38,525
Speaker 1: wet or a dry blow And every single and every

583
00:35:38,565 --> 00:35:41,285
Speaker 1: single one of the like descriptions of like how to

584
00:35:41,365 --> 00:35:43,325
Speaker 1: season it, mentions like if you're a wet or a

585
00:35:43,405 --> 00:35:46,005
Speaker 1: dry blower. So anyway, those are the important questions to

586
00:35:46,045 --> 00:35:50,645
Speaker 1: ask yourself. Yes, so um, okay, so this seasoning not

587
00:35:50,765 --> 00:35:52,805
Speaker 1: really I couldn't really get to the bottom of exactly

588
00:35:52,845 --> 00:35:55,445
Speaker 1: what it is. But it's like the consistency of maybe

589
00:35:55,605 --> 00:35:58,685
Speaker 1: like a paste or like a butter um. So you

590
00:35:58,805 --> 00:36:01,725
Speaker 1: have to heat that up it so it becomes a liquid.

591
00:36:01,805 --> 00:36:04,165
Speaker 1: You take off all the little pipes and then you

592
00:36:05,125 --> 00:36:08,085
Speaker 1: cork you put a little quirks in there um so

593
00:36:08,245 --> 00:36:10,005
Speaker 1: that the seasoning doesn't come out, and then you just

594
00:36:10,125 --> 00:36:13,565
Speaker 1: like rub your bagpipe like the bag together so that

595
00:36:13,645 --> 00:36:16,605
Speaker 1: it just seasons everything and then you then let it harden.

596
00:36:17,285 --> 00:36:20,485
Speaker 1: Do not play it too soon. You can mess it

597
00:36:20,605 --> 00:36:23,165
Speaker 1: up and you'll be inhaling these this seasoning that you

598
00:36:23,285 --> 00:36:27,405
Speaker 1: shouldn't be inhaling. So there you have it. That's how

599
00:36:27,445 --> 00:36:29,485
Speaker 1: you season a bagpipe. And that and be sure to

600
00:36:29,645 --> 00:36:33,645
Speaker 1: always clean your instruments and you know, anything else that

601
00:36:33,765 --> 00:36:39,005
Speaker 1: may touch a liquid. Good advice from Good hour gals. Yeah, guys,

602
00:36:39,085 --> 00:36:41,605
Speaker 1: everyone who owns a bagpipe, I mean I do. I

603
00:36:41,805 --> 00:36:45,205
Speaker 1: did have a bagpipe for like five years, but I

604
00:36:45,445 --> 00:36:50,125
Speaker 1: never figured out how to play it. So I just gabby,

605
00:36:50,205 --> 00:36:53,365
Speaker 1: you could have died, I know, especially I got that

606
00:36:53,485 --> 00:37:01,765
Speaker 1: bagpipe from eBay, so lots of stop so I used bagpipe. Okay,

607
00:37:02,165 --> 00:37:06,725
Speaker 1: So do as I say, not as I do. All right, Well,

608
00:37:07,285 --> 00:37:10,005
Speaker 1: now that we all know to season our bags and

609
00:37:10,605 --> 00:37:12,845
Speaker 1: I do think we should all ask the internal question

610
00:37:12,965 --> 00:37:15,205
Speaker 1: of are you a dry blower or wet blower? And

611
00:37:15,245 --> 00:37:18,365
Speaker 1: what does that say about you? Let us know, let

612
00:37:18,485 --> 00:37:21,445
Speaker 1: us know in the comments. Okay, over the break, just

613
00:37:21,645 --> 00:37:26,605
Speaker 1: ponder that question about yourself and we'll be right back. Okay,

614
00:37:26,645 --> 00:37:28,805
Speaker 1: So we're back with Cadaver gals, and Nico was just

615
00:37:28,965 --> 00:37:31,565
Speaker 1: doing a chip dance. So ten out of ten. You

616
00:37:31,685 --> 00:37:36,045
Speaker 1: guys need a chip. I needed a chip. The only

617
00:37:36,085 --> 00:37:38,725
Speaker 1: way to consume a chip as if you also dance. Well,

618
00:37:38,725 --> 00:37:41,445
Speaker 1: that's actually a way to choke. Can you imagine dying

619
00:37:41,645 --> 00:37:44,725
Speaker 1: right here and there on FaceTime with without any help

620
00:37:44,725 --> 00:37:47,005
Speaker 1: because I'm alone? All right? Anyway? Well, no, I do

621
00:37:47,165 --> 00:37:49,765
Speaker 1: think that's the next step of true crime podcasting. As

622
00:37:49,805 --> 00:37:52,645
Speaker 1: soon true crime podcasters we'll just kill people to have

623
00:37:52,725 --> 00:37:56,805
Speaker 1: a good story. Because of the nature of this industry,

624
00:37:58,165 --> 00:38:03,045
Speaker 1: people be weird. Okay, guys, I am so glad that

625
00:38:03,245 --> 00:38:08,045
Speaker 1: Nika had mentioned Emperor Nero in her story earlier, because

626
00:38:08,725 --> 00:38:12,325
Speaker 1: you know what Nero is. He's horny, he's a bad dude,

627
00:38:12,725 --> 00:38:18,045
Speaker 1: and no one else he is. What a bagpiper? Oh

628
00:38:18,245 --> 00:38:25,925
Speaker 1: he played the pipe? Yeah, no, he did bagpipe. The

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Speaker 1: triple threat. He's a triple threat, literally the kind of guy.

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Speaker 1: Don't you hate when you're a murderer, Sorry, don't you

631
00:38:35,685 --> 00:38:40,605
Speaker 1: hate when you're a horny, murderous bagpiper? Oh my god? Okay,

632
00:38:40,885 --> 00:38:44,365
Speaker 1: because I feel like people generally know that Nero. You

633
00:38:44,485 --> 00:38:46,525
Speaker 1: might have heard that he was a crazy dude who

634
00:38:46,605 --> 00:38:48,645
Speaker 1: like killed a lot of people and was like obviously

635
00:38:48,725 --> 00:38:50,565
Speaker 1: he did the rat torture, barrel stuff. He did a

636
00:38:50,605 --> 00:38:53,885
Speaker 1: lot of other stuff too, But I just kind of

637
00:38:53,965 --> 00:38:56,125
Speaker 1: want to think about Nero and all the terrible things

638
00:38:56,205 --> 00:39:00,285
Speaker 1: he did, but within the context of him playing the bagpipe, okay,

639
00:39:00,645 --> 00:39:03,845
Speaker 1: because like, can you imagine he's like murdering his mom,

640
00:39:04,005 --> 00:39:06,565
Speaker 1: he's murdering his wives, he's murdering all these people, but

641
00:39:06,725 --> 00:39:10,765
Speaker 1: he's also playing the bagpipe. You can't take that man seriously.

642
00:39:11,085 --> 00:39:14,285
Speaker 1: That's torture in and of itself. Yeah, I know he

643
00:39:14,445 --> 00:39:17,525
Speaker 1: wasn't very good too. No one has commented, I mean

644
00:39:17,725 --> 00:39:21,685
Speaker 1: people have actually commented, these eyes are twinkling. Okay. Well,

645
00:39:21,765 --> 00:39:23,565
Speaker 1: the sad thing about, you know, kind of being a

646
00:39:23,725 --> 00:39:28,565
Speaker 1: performative narcissist. Sometimes I can see some of myself in Nero,

647
00:39:28,805 --> 00:39:32,205
Speaker 1: not the like torturing, murdering part. But this one part

648
00:39:32,285 --> 00:39:34,965
Speaker 1: I do want to say is that he would routinely

649
00:39:35,765 --> 00:39:39,125
Speaker 1: force people to come to these long ass performances that

650
00:39:39,245 --> 00:39:41,845
Speaker 1: he would do from like theater and music stuff, and

651
00:39:42,045 --> 00:39:45,325
Speaker 1: like literally lock people in a theater for hours to

652
00:39:45,485 --> 00:39:48,005
Speaker 1: watch him perform. And I can only imagine part of

653
00:39:48,045 --> 00:39:52,325
Speaker 1: that performance was him playing the bagpipe. That's torture. Gabby,

654
00:39:53,285 --> 00:39:55,685
Speaker 1: do you see yourself in that I mean I could

655
00:39:55,725 --> 00:39:58,205
Speaker 1: see me being like, I already do this. Sometimes, like

656
00:39:58,405 --> 00:40:00,445
Speaker 1: we had a little party. I made y'all listen to

657
00:40:00,565 --> 00:40:03,925
Speaker 1: my songs, you know, like kind of a micro scale.

658
00:40:04,325 --> 00:40:10,525
Speaker 1: I did. Okay, I did. I did Aka Nero. But

659
00:40:11,005 --> 00:40:13,285
Speaker 1: the thing is like his performances that he would do

660
00:40:13,685 --> 00:40:16,925
Speaker 1: were so terrible that some people would fake their own

661
00:40:17,085 --> 00:40:19,965
Speaker 1: deaths to get out of going. And also there was

662
00:40:20,045 --> 00:40:24,205
Speaker 1: one performance where a lady she gave birth during their

663
00:40:24,285 --> 00:40:27,565
Speaker 1: performance because it was so long and she couldn't leave.

664
00:40:27,845 --> 00:40:30,645
Speaker 1: She was just like in the theater. That's sounds sadistic.

665
00:40:31,445 --> 00:40:34,645
Speaker 1: He sounds it's a problem when women start having babies.

666
00:40:35,005 --> 00:40:39,445
Speaker 1: You know you're in the Yeah, she wasn't even pregnant

667
00:40:39,485 --> 00:40:47,805
Speaker 1: before the show. It was so long. But yeah, so Nero,

668
00:40:48,645 --> 00:40:50,885
Speaker 1: like because I'm just thinking about this, Okay, So Nero

669
00:40:51,445 --> 00:40:54,485
Speaker 1: very notably killed his mother or you know, he ordered

670
00:40:54,525 --> 00:40:56,925
Speaker 1: someone to go kill his mother for him. And I'm

671
00:40:56,965 --> 00:41:00,365
Speaker 1: just imagining him because like his mom, he became emperor

672
00:41:00,445 --> 00:41:02,765
Speaker 1: when he was fourteen years old, and his mom was like, hey,

673
00:41:02,805 --> 00:41:05,045
Speaker 1: I'm gonna use my son. I'm gonna live vicariously through

674
00:41:05,085 --> 00:41:07,245
Speaker 1: you so I can rule Rome. But then as he

675
00:41:07,325 --> 00:41:09,085
Speaker 1: got a little bit older. He was like, nah, Mom,

676
00:41:09,245 --> 00:41:11,645
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it. Leave me the fuck alone. Like

677
00:41:11,805 --> 00:41:14,765
Speaker 1: she even put her face on some coinage in Rome

678
00:41:15,085 --> 00:41:17,165
Speaker 1: and he was like, m mom, what what the hell

679
00:41:17,205 --> 00:41:20,565
Speaker 1: are you doing? Okay? So um. I think one of

680
00:41:20,605 --> 00:41:23,565
Speaker 1: the reasons that they say that his pettiness came through

681
00:41:23,605 --> 00:41:25,165
Speaker 1: and he wanted to kill his mom was because he

682
00:41:25,285 --> 00:41:28,845
Speaker 1: started sleeping with the wife of one of his mom's

683
00:41:28,885 --> 00:41:32,525
Speaker 1: political allies and was like, don't you dare do that. Narrow, Like,

684
00:41:32,645 --> 00:41:37,045
Speaker 1: what are you doing, my dude, And then she was like,

685
00:41:37,565 --> 00:41:39,605
Speaker 1: your gross don't do that. And then she's like He's like,

686
00:41:39,685 --> 00:41:42,605
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill you toot on his bagpipe. Okay. He

687
00:41:42,845 --> 00:41:46,125
Speaker 1: orders one of his servants to go like plan a

688
00:41:46,245 --> 00:41:49,045
Speaker 1: boating accident for her, but then she doesn't die in

689
00:41:49,085 --> 00:41:51,445
Speaker 1: the boating accident, so she doesn't drown, and so she

690
00:41:51,605 --> 00:41:54,005
Speaker 1: like swims ashore and then the servant just like kills her.

691
00:41:54,045 --> 00:41:55,965
Speaker 1: And the Narrow was like it was a suicide dude

692
00:41:55,965 --> 00:41:59,125
Speaker 1: to do bagpipe, you know. He's just like like a

693
00:41:59,165 --> 00:42:02,165
Speaker 1: little leprechon running around his palace with his little bagpipe,

694
00:42:02,205 --> 00:42:05,445
Speaker 1: getting people killed, punching drywall and like playing his bagpipe.

695
00:42:05,685 --> 00:42:10,845
Speaker 1: He was the original spoiled White Kid exactly. I mean,

696
00:42:10,925 --> 00:42:14,605
Speaker 1: he obviously wasn't the most mentally stable of people, you know,

697
00:42:14,605 --> 00:42:16,365
Speaker 1: because even after he killed his mom, he felt a

698
00:42:16,445 --> 00:42:18,525
Speaker 1: laud regret. And there's this one painting of him kind

699
00:42:18,525 --> 00:42:20,925
Speaker 1: of like looking wistfully off of his bed, and I

700
00:42:21,005 --> 00:42:23,805
Speaker 1: can just imagine him writing some like pop punk, you know,

701
00:42:24,165 --> 00:42:26,605
Speaker 1: bagpipe ballads or something being like, oh, maybe I shouldn't

702
00:42:26,605 --> 00:42:28,005
Speaker 1: have killed my mom, but like whatever, I'm just going

703
00:42:28,045 --> 00:42:30,605
Speaker 1: to kill more people. So he killed his first wife

704
00:42:32,885 --> 00:42:36,005
Speaker 1: bagpipe ballads. So he killed his first wife, and then

705
00:42:36,165 --> 00:42:39,405
Speaker 1: he got with his mistress at the time, and then

706
00:42:39,805 --> 00:42:42,485
Speaker 1: they seemed kind of happy for a little bit, but

707
00:42:42,605 --> 00:42:45,125
Speaker 1: then they started arguing, and I can imagine, I mean,

708
00:42:45,165 --> 00:42:46,925
Speaker 1: of course you would start arguing if you like, we're

709
00:42:46,965 --> 00:42:48,925
Speaker 1: living with a man who played the bagpipe, Like wait,

710
00:42:49,605 --> 00:42:51,485
Speaker 1: that would start pretty quickly right after that. So they

711
00:42:51,525 --> 00:42:54,405
Speaker 1: had a kid, but then she died while she was

712
00:42:54,445 --> 00:42:57,085
Speaker 1: pregnant with their second kid, and they say, what could

713
00:42:57,125 --> 00:43:01,605
Speaker 1: have happened is Nero punched her in the stomach and

714
00:43:01,765 --> 00:43:04,445
Speaker 1: then or he just like stomped on her stomach until

715
00:43:04,485 --> 00:43:08,165
Speaker 1: she died. And so yeah, he then also felt bad

716
00:43:08,165 --> 00:43:10,605
Speaker 1: about that a little bit. I mean they say he

717
00:43:10,725 --> 00:43:12,645
Speaker 1: did a little bit, but he also was a bagpiper,

718
00:43:12,725 --> 00:43:14,565
Speaker 1: so you can't trust him. Never trust a man who

719
00:43:14,645 --> 00:43:17,645
Speaker 1: plays a bagpipe. That's what we're learning. Are you single

720
00:43:17,725 --> 00:43:21,245
Speaker 1: ladies out there, maybe that's like one of the first questions,

721
00:43:21,325 --> 00:43:24,005
Speaker 1: like do you play a bagpipe? Oh? I thought you're

722
00:43:24,005 --> 00:43:26,245
Speaker 1: gonna be like are you a white or a drive blower?

723
00:43:27,965 --> 00:43:32,125
Speaker 1: Second question, third question is do you see's in your bag?

724
00:43:32,245 --> 00:43:35,685
Speaker 1: And how often? And so he also, you know, obviously

725
00:43:35,845 --> 00:43:38,205
Speaker 1: was very performative. He did like his little theater shows

726
00:43:38,245 --> 00:43:41,005
Speaker 1: all the time. But then another thing that happened is

727
00:43:41,045 --> 00:43:43,005
Speaker 1: there is the Great Fire of Rome and a lot

728
00:43:43,085 --> 00:43:47,125
Speaker 1: of people think that Nero was the one who started

729
00:43:47,365 --> 00:43:50,845
Speaker 1: the fire and because it just happened to be where

730
00:43:50,885 --> 00:43:54,285
Speaker 1: he wanted to build this giant villa, just a quinky dink,

731
00:43:54,365 --> 00:43:56,205
Speaker 1: And there is this story where there is like, yeah, Nero,

732
00:43:56,405 --> 00:43:58,885
Speaker 1: during the fire, he was just like in his other palace,

733
00:43:59,045 --> 00:44:01,965
Speaker 1: like playing his fiddle. But fiddles weren't invented yet, so

734
00:44:02,125 --> 00:44:04,125
Speaker 1: I just imagine that during this great fire he was

735
00:44:04,205 --> 00:44:07,045
Speaker 1: playing his bagpipe, being like, dude, to do bagpipe, and

736
00:44:07,245 --> 00:44:09,685
Speaker 1: you know, the fire's rage in ha ha ha and

737
00:44:09,805 --> 00:44:12,845
Speaker 1: then the fire it raged, lots of property was destroyed,

738
00:44:12,885 --> 00:44:15,045
Speaker 1: and then he did build his new palace on it.

739
00:44:15,205 --> 00:44:18,045
Speaker 1: And his new palace, of course he did was an

740
00:44:18,205 --> 00:44:20,605
Speaker 1: orgy palace. It was basically made to be like a

741
00:44:20,765 --> 00:44:24,205
Speaker 1: sex party palace, and it was like super decadent and

742
00:44:24,325 --> 00:44:26,485
Speaker 1: all of that. And he also made like one hundred

743
00:44:26,525 --> 00:44:29,165
Speaker 1: and twenty five foot statue of himself in front of

744
00:44:29,245 --> 00:44:32,605
Speaker 1: this like villa palace, sex palace, and they would just

745
00:44:32,725 --> 00:44:34,525
Speaker 1: like do this thing where they would just like people

746
00:44:34,525 --> 00:44:36,205
Speaker 1: would come and they would feast, and they would feast

747
00:44:36,245 --> 00:44:38,325
Speaker 1: so much that they would vomit and then keep feasting,

748
00:44:38,365 --> 00:44:40,925
Speaker 1: and then they would just have these massive orgies. And

749
00:44:41,125 --> 00:44:43,805
Speaker 1: don't worry, I'm sure he would be just like tuning

750
00:44:43,845 --> 00:44:46,445
Speaker 1: around with his bagpipe too, you know, you getting getting

751
00:44:46,445 --> 00:44:48,525
Speaker 1: your drink on, pulling out your bagpipe. That's what he

752
00:44:48,645 --> 00:44:51,245
Speaker 1: was doing. He sounds like the worst. He sounds like

753
00:44:51,365 --> 00:44:58,365
Speaker 1: Elon Musk. That's why he sounds like the guy at

754
00:44:58,405 --> 00:45:01,365
Speaker 1: the party, you know that always brings out a guitar. Okay,

755
00:45:01,445 --> 00:45:05,365
Speaker 1: y'all want to hear Wonderwall, Yeah exactly, but it's yeah,

756
00:45:05,685 --> 00:45:09,565
Speaker 1: it's the bagpipe, but like the fiddle. Wonderwall hadn't come

757
00:45:09,605 --> 00:45:12,765
Speaker 1: out yet, and this time period around fifty four to

758
00:45:13,125 --> 00:45:17,445
Speaker 1: sixty nine factually accurate. Yeah, I'm trying to keep us

759
00:45:17,525 --> 00:45:22,525
Speaker 1: factual on this show. Now all about music history too, This,

760
00:45:22,685 --> 00:45:24,765
Speaker 1: I mean is a great fact. Wonderwall did not come

761
00:45:24,845 --> 00:45:28,885
Speaker 1: out in the first years of the ad. No, he

762
00:45:29,085 --> 00:45:33,325
Speaker 1: literally sounds like the worst Gabby I'm And of course

763
00:45:33,365 --> 00:45:35,685
Speaker 1: he did rot torture too. Yeah, and I think I

764
00:45:35,845 --> 00:45:37,965
Speaker 1: maybe structured the story in a way that it's we're

765
00:45:37,965 --> 00:45:41,165
Speaker 1: gonna maybe end on a really upsetting note. But he also,

766
00:45:41,365 --> 00:45:44,245
Speaker 1: you know, he loved to sexually abuse people, especially like

767
00:45:44,405 --> 00:45:46,845
Speaker 1: young people like girls and boys. Um, he would at

768
00:45:46,885 --> 00:45:50,845
Speaker 1: these sex parties sometimes like tie up a basically a

769
00:45:50,965 --> 00:45:54,925
Speaker 1: child and strip the naked and pretend he was eating them,

770
00:45:55,205 --> 00:45:58,485
Speaker 1: just to like have fun, I guess. And also another

771
00:45:58,565 --> 00:46:02,845
Speaker 1: thing is after he killed his second wife are by

772
00:46:03,485 --> 00:46:06,365
Speaker 1: stomping on her belly, he felt really bad, so he,

773
00:46:06,725 --> 00:46:09,165
Speaker 1: you know, naturally found a young boy who looked like her,

774
00:46:09,325 --> 00:46:12,205
Speaker 1: castrated him, dressed him in women's clothing, and married him.

775
00:46:12,365 --> 00:46:17,765
Speaker 1: So oh, oh my gosh, all all while bagpiping this

776
00:46:17,885 --> 00:46:22,285
Speaker 1: whole time. Gaby was your was your take, just like

777
00:46:22,925 --> 00:46:26,605
Speaker 1: Nero's life through a bagpipe lens. I mean, I'm just

778
00:46:26,725 --> 00:46:29,365
Speaker 1: imagining like he's kind of like the worst fuck boy.

779
00:46:29,565 --> 00:46:32,085
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, like look at me, look at me,

780
00:46:32,685 --> 00:46:34,605
Speaker 1: and then like look at me. And also when you

781
00:46:34,685 --> 00:46:37,045
Speaker 1: are looking, I'm playing the bagpipe. It's like the worst

782
00:46:37,125 --> 00:46:41,205
Speaker 1: possible thing, you know, like you're playing playing Wonderwall. I

783
00:46:41,325 --> 00:46:43,365
Speaker 1: can handle some I like a wonder Wall. I want

784
00:46:43,445 --> 00:46:46,285
Speaker 1: suggested wonder Wall at a party, like ironically, but also

785
00:46:46,325 --> 00:46:50,805
Speaker 1: because I wanted to sing it, okay, But I'm just like,

786
00:46:51,285 --> 00:46:54,205
Speaker 1: who pulls out a goddamn bagpipe? Those things have never

787
00:46:54,365 --> 00:46:57,325
Speaker 1: been subtle, Like a ukulele, that's like that's a little

788
00:46:57,445 --> 00:47:02,005
Speaker 1: subtle string a ding, okay, but a freaking bagpipe not subtle.

789
00:47:02,045 --> 00:47:04,485
Speaker 1: Even the ancient Roman ones, you know they had only

790
00:47:04,525 --> 00:47:06,685
Speaker 1: like one pipe usual, but that's so loud as fuck.

791
00:47:07,325 --> 00:47:09,925
Speaker 1: So I mean, I hope he sees. And actually I

792
00:47:09,965 --> 00:47:12,165
Speaker 1: wish he didn't seas in his bag That's what I'm saying.

793
00:47:12,285 --> 00:47:14,565
Speaker 1: He could have gotten this bagpipe long but he did

794
00:47:14,645 --> 00:47:21,485
Speaker 1: die at thirty one of suicide though you know, hey, um,

795
00:47:21,885 --> 00:47:26,125
Speaker 1: thank you Gabby for that. Yeah, I mean, I just

796
00:47:26,245 --> 00:47:28,965
Speaker 1: want to he was he is historically, you know, not

797
00:47:29,085 --> 00:47:31,885
Speaker 1: the world's first bagpiper. But he is the most the

798
00:47:32,085 --> 00:47:36,685
Speaker 1: most famous, first bagpiper and the worst. Yeah, let's reframe

799
00:47:36,925 --> 00:47:39,925
Speaker 1: his legacy and not give him that benefit of being

800
00:47:40,005 --> 00:47:42,405
Speaker 1: like a torturous, horrible person. Well, let's just call him

801
00:47:42,445 --> 00:47:46,205
Speaker 1: a bagpiper and that's all he is, Okay, piper. Yeah,

802
00:47:46,205 --> 00:47:48,165
Speaker 1: he's gonna haunt you. He's gonna like appear in your

803
00:47:48,325 --> 00:47:50,405
Speaker 1: sleep paralysis nightmares and be like, let me play the

804
00:47:50,445 --> 00:47:53,925
Speaker 1: bagpipe for you and then do some rat torture and

805
00:47:54,005 --> 00:47:57,325
Speaker 1: then like Diogenes will come back alive. It's kind Yeah,

806
00:47:57,605 --> 00:47:59,165
Speaker 1: I mean, if we get haunted by this show, it's

807
00:47:59,205 --> 00:48:03,645
Speaker 1: gonna be bad. Yeah. I literally reject that so deeply

808
00:48:03,685 --> 00:48:09,405
Speaker 1: in my body. You have no idea anyway. Guys, Well,

809
00:48:09,445 --> 00:48:12,445
Speaker 1: this has been another episode of Cadaver Gals. Thanks for

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00:48:12,605 --> 00:48:25,405
Speaker 1: listening and we'll talk at you next week. Bye. Gal.

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Speaker 1: Cadaver Gals is a production of School of Humans and iHeartRadio.

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