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Speaker 2: Hello.
Speaker 3: My name is Buddy Peace. I'm a producer and editor,
Speaker 3: a d J, a music maker of hieroglyphic and for
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Speaker 3: regular host and proud creator of this particular podcast, mister
Speaker 3: Brett Goldstein. As Tom Waits once said, I stay a
Speaker 3: little outside the glass. I think I'd like to take
Speaker 3: a crack at a wider audience. But with that comes responsibility.
Speaker 3: If you're too big, you get self conscious. If you're
Speaker 3: too obscure, you feel nervous. So it's hard, I tell you.
Speaker 3: It's also hard finding Godzilla minus one on any streaming service. Now,
Speaker 3: that is hard. Trust me, Tom, I've tried too. I
Speaker 3: think we just have to be patient with this one.
Speaker 3: Every week Brett invites a guest on. He tells them
Speaker 3: they've died, and then talks to them about their life
Speaker 3: through the medium of film. But this week we are
Speaker 3: revisiting an earlier episode of the podcast while we take
Speaker 3: a little break. Yes, indeed, it is that time once
Speaker 3: more for films to be buried with rewind Classic. This
Speaker 3: rewind is from October the twenty first, twenty twenty one.
Speaker 3: Originally episode one six ' nine featuring actor and musician
Speaker 3: Ben Barnes. It's a great featuring someone you might not
Speaker 3: have necessarily heard doing the podcast. Rounds a huge a
Speaker 3: man over the years, but Ben is a pure delight
Speaker 3: when it comes to talking to Brett about films, acting,
Speaker 3: and the whole life and death thing. There are a
Speaker 3: ton of behind the scenes nuggets and goodies and some
Speaker 3: interesting insight on some of the films he's been in,
Speaker 3: which is always a treat to hear. You'll definitely enjoy
Speaker 3: this one. Let me take this opportunity to also remind
Speaker 3: you that Brett has a Patreon page for the podcast,
Speaker 3: upon which you get a bonus section on every episode
Speaker 3: with a secret from each guest, more questions, and a
Speaker 3: video of each episode which looks very nice and very fresh.
Speaker 3: There are a selection of tears on there too, and
Speaker 3: on the uppermost tiers I make you a cinematic soundtrack
Speaker 3: mixtape each month with full track list that I reckon
Speaker 3: you'll enjoy very much. So if you're of a supporting
Speaker 3: nature and feel like some extras from this show, you'll
Speaker 3: find them all there. So that is it for now.
Speaker 3: Let's get you settled in now for a really fun
Speaker 3: look back, a really sweet episode with the excellent Ben Barnes.
Speaker 3: Catch you at the end for a quick sign. But
Speaker 3: for now, please enjoy episode one six nine via episode
Speaker 3: two nine three of Films to be Buried With.
Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to Films to be Buried With. It
Speaker 2: is I Brett Goldstein, and I am joined today by
Speaker 2: an actor. He's a West Wilder. He's a shadow and Boner.
Speaker 2: He's the principal of Narnia. I think he is a
Speaker 2: man from Sutton and he now lives in la He's
Speaker 2: a hero to many, a legend to most, and also
Speaker 2: he's fit. Please welcome to the show, the brilliant mister
Speaker 2: Ben Barnes.
Speaker 4: You said bono within thirty seconds of this.
Speaker 2: That's the quickest I've got to it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you've done. It's over. I did ever thought that.
Speaker 5: You know, groups of fans of shows often have names,
Speaker 5: and I toy did the idea of calling them my
Speaker 5: shadow and Boners. But then I've resisted the urge to
Speaker 5: even say that until this moment. That's the first time
Speaker 5: I've said it, because you did it.
Speaker 2: It starts here, the shadow of Boners.
Speaker 4: You that was a very nice thing.
Speaker 2: You've got to be the shadow of Boners. I've be
Speaker 2: loud and proud of that.
Speaker 4: You're going to get the credit for that now.
Speaker 2: I'll take it on the Twitter. I'll take it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You deserve it, no regrets, you deserve it. Thank you man.
Speaker 2: It's lovely to have you. This is the first time
Speaker 2: we've ever met. Yeah, so far, it's going great, it's
Speaker 2: going very I appreciate you doing this now. I I've
Speaker 2: been aware of you for sometime. Ben Bon's you worked
Speaker 2: with friends of the podcast, Will Porter in Prince Caspian.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and one of my best one of my best pals.
Speaker 5: He just took me out actually for a really lovely
Speaker 5: ctieth birthday dinner. Mine not here, hasten to. He's about
Speaker 5: fifteen still, but it was. He's a low, lovely, lovely, lovely,
Speaker 5: lovely man.
Speaker 2: It's a lovely man. But then you know what I
Speaker 2: was what I mean. Look, I've seen you a lot
Speaker 2: of stuff. You're a very good actor. But you do
Speaker 2: something that I really really like. And you did it
Speaker 2: in Westworld, which is I think it's very brave. You
Speaker 2: play like a bad type, a bit of a bad
Speaker 2: type in Westworld, and I think you do it. You're
Speaker 2: very sort of charming in it, but you also don't
Speaker 2: at all shy away from the like really unpleasant, sort
Speaker 2: of sleazy, sort of unattractive parts of that character. And
Speaker 2: I always think that that's really I don't think a
Speaker 2: lot of actors do it. I think it's really cool
Speaker 2: and really brave because you're not protecting yourself as a
Speaker 2: You're not sort of like there are people who play
Speaker 2: bad guys, but they play them like yeah, but you
Speaker 2: love them because they're so charismatic and fun and cool,
Speaker 2: like you allowing the parts that are like no, he's
Speaker 2: genuinely unpleasant as well, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 2: I think that's pretty brave. I like it.
Speaker 4: Thank you, that's really nice.
Speaker 5: I've sort of found myself this we odd little niche
Speaker 5: in the last sort of five or six years of
Speaker 5: playing these people who are slightly reprehensible or either that
Speaker 5: they're psychotic or evil or villainous or just or just
Speaker 5: a guilty of general douche baggery.
Speaker 4: But I've also I'm fully aware.
Speaker 5: Of how incapable I am of making character particularly kind
Speaker 5: of like cool or anything like that.
Speaker 4: But I will I.
Speaker 5: Do whilst whilst I'm not afraid of the like grim,
Speaker 5: gross parts of it. I am quite protective of the
Speaker 5: humanity of them because I'm quite a sort of quite
Speaker 5: a soft, hopeful, desperate to be happy kind of person.
Speaker 5: And so I think that that gets a little bit
Speaker 5: infused into all of those characters. And like you described
Speaker 5: it on Westward, when they asked me to come back
Speaker 5: for the second season, and it was it felt like
Speaker 5: such a privilege to be asked to sort of scratch
Speaker 5: away at the character a bit and look at his
Speaker 5: I know it sounds a bit I was raised by
Speaker 5: a psychiatrist and psychotherapists, but a little bit scratch away
Speaker 5: his relationship with his with his dad. You see relationship
Speaker 5: with his dad, and you peel away the onion a
Speaker 5: bit and you see why he's so fucked up and
Speaker 5: why he's behaving like such a knob all the time
Speaker 5: to everyone, and because there are always reasons, always, and
Speaker 5: those things really interest me.
Speaker 2: I love that does. Look, that's exactly what we're always
Speaker 2: trying to do on ted Lasso is that thing of
Speaker 2: and it's when you're a bad guy. Almost never thinks
Speaker 2: they're a bad guy. Yeah, So yeah, and you play
Speaker 2: all that. I just think it's great. But I also
Speaker 2: I think I'm trying to think of example I don't
Speaker 2: want to name in shame, but I can. I can
Speaker 2: think of people who play bad guys, and you're almost
Speaker 2: like you're not a bad guy, You're just fucking great,
Speaker 2: Like you're justining, and like it's you're you're not allowing
Speaker 2: that character to be ugly, I suppose, whereas I think
Speaker 2: you do that as well as all the charm and
Speaker 2: the everything. Anyway, that's my open fan mail to you,
Speaker 2: to your face, that is from my section fan mail
Speaker 2: to not do that.
Speaker 5: You You are playing something which is entirely lovable from
Speaker 5: start to finish, even though that's not what it's supposed
Speaker 5: to be on the page, and you can't help it.
Speaker 4: You can't help it at all.
Speaker 5: And now and now suddenly everyone in the world who
Speaker 5: wants to hug you like Teddy Bear, and this makes
Speaker 5: you uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: So moving on, Ben Burns, you live in LA You've
Speaker 2: lived here ten years I believe.
Speaker 4: And yeah, coming up on that, Yeah.
Speaker 2: And do you feel at home here? Is it still wild?
Speaker 2: How much of this? Because you how old were you
Speaker 2: when you did Prince Caspian?
Speaker 4: I was about twenty five.
Speaker 2: And that was like the biggest thing that happened, I.
Speaker 4: Thought, And that was like quite a long time ago.
Speaker 4: See your face.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I mean that's yeah, that's yeah.
Speaker 4: You're doing massive. Yeah, quite right. I will never I
Speaker 4: will never tell. Yeah, I'm very comfortable here.
Speaker 5: I do miss my friends and family and you know,
Speaker 5: just in London, I missed that a lot, but also
Speaker 5: very lucky to have the kind of lifestyle and job
Speaker 5: which takes me on adventures and takes me you know,
Speaker 5: keeps me interesting and and you know, I think at
Speaker 5: least half of the time I'm not sort of at home.
Speaker 5: So I think that that's a particular kind of lifestyle
Speaker 5: which I never imagined for myself and would certainly not
Speaker 5: curate if I did anything else for a living on purpose.
Speaker 5: But I do love that it is part of my life.
Speaker 2: Can I ask you this and again, if you don't
Speaker 2: want to, we can cut it. Before we started recording
Speaker 2: this podcast, you tell me something that was very interesting
Speaker 2: to me, you said, I said, is there anything you're
Speaker 2: worried about talking about? And you said something like, I
Speaker 2: used to worry so much about that stuff, and now
Speaker 2: I'm very happy to talk about myself. And I wondered
Speaker 2: what had happened to lead you to that?
Speaker 5: If I may so, I think it was a combination
Speaker 5: of things, but it was I think, very very early on,
Speaker 5: I had some quite aggressive interactions with press, you know,
Speaker 5: doing sort of basically nothing, you know, a few plays
Speaker 5: and bits and pieces, and then doing the Narnia films,
Speaker 5: and suddenly people are interested in you and your life.
Speaker 5: I remember having this conversation when I was about twenty five,
Speaker 5: and the journalist sort of said to me, you have
Speaker 5: to answer these kinds of questions if you want to
Speaker 5: do this for a living, and I, at twenty five,
Speaker 5: full of vim, said no, I don't. I can keep
Speaker 5: anything I want to for myself. And I still fervently
Speaker 5: believe that in that sort of freedom of choice, but
Speaker 5: it sort of it tightened me and closed me off
Speaker 5: a bit to feel a bit defensive. I think when
Speaker 5: talk about stuff, and I've done so many years of
Speaker 5: you know, just sort of just by virtue of the
Speaker 5: way film and TV interviews work, I think as well,
Speaker 5: like you're being asked about characters and things that you
Speaker 5: didn't necessarily write. But I think what happened was the
Speaker 5: pandemic sort of kicked in, and we all spent a
Speaker 5: year in a bit sitting around wondering what kind of
Speaker 5: people we want to be and where we fit in
Speaker 5: if we're not allowed to do the things we do
Speaker 5: on a regular basis and don't have the things that
Speaker 5: we have to look forward to regularly to keep us
Speaker 5: on the wheel and facing forwards, and who do we
Speaker 5: care about and what do we care about?
Speaker 4: And I wrote a lot.
Speaker 5: Of music in that time, and it was something I'd
Speaker 5: wanted to do for about twenty years. I'd started to
Speaker 5: do it about twenty something years ago and it had
Speaker 5: fallen apart, and I've done it as part of my
Speaker 5: career all the way through. I've always kind of done that,
Speaker 5: but always in someone else's voice. I think I've always
Speaker 5: even when I was a kid at school, I did
Speaker 5: some arts or tribute concerts and Stevie Wonders Soul Nights
Speaker 5: and things like that.
Speaker 4: I would love it so much.
Speaker 5: And then in my films, I've played street buskers, Americana folks,
Speaker 5: street buskers, and I played a crap rock star in
Speaker 5: a comedy, singing sort of like new Romantic stadium rock crap,
Speaker 5: but it was never me, And I think that it
Speaker 5: took just the clock tick down on having to make
Speaker 5: something of my own that was sort of me.
Speaker 4: I haven't played.
Speaker 5: It's sort of obvious to sort of think, well, if
Speaker 5: you spend twenty years playing to be other people, at
Speaker 5: some point you're going to want to do something that's yours.
Speaker 5: But I hadn't really thought about it until the pandemic,
Speaker 5: and then I wrote a sort of collection of songs
Speaker 5: which shown I've just released, and it's sort of it
Speaker 5: sort of freed up the style of interview the way
Speaker 5: I've been talking about it. People asking me about me,
Speaker 5: not about you know, sort of sordid details of your
Speaker 5: life or anything, but just interested in me and what
Speaker 5: it takes to make something from myself. That and that
Speaker 5: really like freed me up to be the most to
Speaker 5: feel sort of the most me I could feel, which
Speaker 5: I think a lot of us felt a bit, particularly
Speaker 5: during the pandemic, felt a bit floaty and disconnected and
Speaker 5: all of that.
Speaker 4: I think most of the.
Speaker 5: People that I know felt a little bit disassociated for
Speaker 5: a lot of it, And so I think I'm just
Speaker 5: sort of trying to relish feeling like me again a bit.
Speaker 2: That is really interesting, and I've just remembered something, which
Speaker 2: makes this sort of big revelation you've had and this
Speaker 2: feeling of freedom sort of a shame because I forgot
Speaker 2: that I should have told you. I should have told
Speaker 2: you before.
Speaker 4: I've listened to what you're doing.
Speaker 2: You've died. You've died, so listen. Good that you had
Speaker 2: that feeling of freedom, very very briefly.
Speaker 4: In this moment, in this very dead I am dead.
Speaker 2: Well, I've just discussed well, like I said, I actually
Speaker 2: found out a while back, and I forgot to tell
Speaker 2: you. You are deaf in a way, the grim how did
Speaker 2: you die?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 5: It being the case that I've listened to your podcast before,
Speaker 5: and I know that in about an hour's time, you're
Speaker 5: going to make it try and sound as grim and
Speaker 5: disgusting and foul as possible.
Speaker 4: I'm going to challenge you.
Speaker 2: That's not my vibe.
Speaker 5: I'm going to challenge you by saying the truth, which
Speaker 5: is that I hope that I died very peacefully, comfortably
Speaker 5: and old, surrounded by loved ones, squeezing my hand gently.
Speaker 5: Or do I know you're going to say, I have
Speaker 5: to have died in this minute now?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, you you you can die like this
Speaker 2: this is taking place in this sort of timeless zone,
Speaker 2: so you can be as old as you are.
Speaker 5: I would like to be one hundred because when I
Speaker 5: was a kid, I thought that's.
Speaker 2: How you live. Yeah, you get a letter from the
Speaker 2: queen and then and then loved ones around your bed
Speaker 2: and one of them squeezes your hand to death.
Speaker 4: One of them squeezes my hand to death.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's they love me so very much that they
Speaker 5: crush my fingers, which causes.
Speaker 4: I'm not getting called into this, lured into.
Speaker 2: Your quite I mean quite a horrific death, really squeeze.
Speaker 5: And loving, and I barely noticed it, to be honest,
Speaker 5: I slipped off into the into the never after, is
Speaker 5: what I did.
Speaker 2: Do you worry about death, benburs.
Speaker 5: I used to worry about death a lot. I was
Speaker 5: definitely that kid who actually probably didn't didn't want to
Speaker 5: talk about it very much because it was it just
Speaker 5: feels a bit overwhelming, and I think it still does,
Speaker 5: even though I think through your life you obviously can't
Speaker 5: but have more experience with it and be exposed to
Speaker 5: it more, and the reality of it you'll face with
Speaker 5: the reality of it that that perspective is brought much
Speaker 5: closer to your to your face. But I still put
Speaker 5: it in the category of infinity and time and all
Speaker 5: those kinds of things that I will never have a
Speaker 5: handle on, and so it doesn't really serve me to
Speaker 5: think about it too much. But yeah, I think I
Speaker 5: probably fearful I think of death. I'm a very I
Speaker 5: think hope is probably one of my defining characteristics in
Speaker 5: the one is the one thing you can't be hopeful.
Speaker 5: I can't find I don't seem to be able to
Speaker 5: find hoping. But I will say that there are things
Speaker 5: that along the way that have made me feel so
Speaker 5: much more alive that it sort of becomes And I
Speaker 5: know people have said this to you before, but it
Speaker 5: all becomes so much more pressure, it will becomes so
Speaker 5: much more precious for the fact that you know it
Speaker 5: did its temporary.
Speaker 2: Do you imagine anything happening after your die?
Speaker 5: Somebody once and I wish I could remember who, But
Speaker 5: some you once said to me, what do you remember
Speaker 5: before you were born? And I said nothing, And they
Speaker 5: said that it doesn't stand to reason that you probably
Speaker 5: won't feel or know anything after you're gone. And that's
Speaker 5: to me so far, is the best argument that's been
Speaker 5: put forward and I'm open.
Speaker 2: I'm open, But do you know what I've been thinking
Speaker 2: about that. I you know, obviously hate that one. I
Speaker 2: hate that there was nothing before so there's nothing after.
Speaker 2: Because then I also think, yeah, but when you're born,
Speaker 2: like humans in particular are the least, you know, born
Speaker 2: with anything. The only thing they can do is find
Speaker 2: a nipple. Right, that's literally all the babies.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, giraffe is up and walking in fifteen minutes.
Speaker 2: And horse, yeah, horses are carrying people raising their own
Speaker 2: kids by a week. You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: So you so when people say, like, what did you
Speaker 2: know before you were born, it's like nothing, you didn't
Speaker 2: know anything because when you were born, the only thing
Speaker 2: you knew was find a nipple. So it's like when
Speaker 2: you died, you know a lot more by that. So
Speaker 2: maybe this blank nothing this you're it's a lot more
Speaker 2: going on. That's my new theory I just come up with.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Sorry, I'm still stuck on the on the sort of.
Speaker 5: Like the main no more more of the sort of
Speaker 5: like main thrust of human existence to find the nipple.
Speaker 5: Just you know, I know, I know people for whom
Speaker 5: that doesn't change very much as they go through life.
Speaker 2: I think absolutely doesn't. That's still. That's still it is.
Speaker 2: Everything else is just sort of gravy around that, isn't it.
Speaker 2: I've got yous. There is a heaven and it's great.
Speaker 4: Right, and it's it's it's brilliant.
Speaker 2: It's brilliant. It's brilliant. It's got all your favorite it's
Speaker 2: got your favorite thing. And what's your favorite thing?
Speaker 4: Oh, I think it's so yeah, I think it's guys,
Speaker 4: there's got to be music.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well then this, this heaven is filled with music.
Speaker 2: There's music everywhere, except doing screenings when it would be inappropriate.
Speaker 2: But there's music everywhere. You sit on music, you sleep music,
Speaker 2: there's music in the trees, and it's lovely. Everyone's very
Speaker 2: excited to see you. They're all big fans, but they
Speaker 2: want to talk to you about your life.
Speaker 4: Famous.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's like comic on. It's like with nice music.
Speaker 4: Welcome to the ever After quick photo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, no one knows who the fuck you are.
Speaker 2: But so then you turn up. You're a stranger, So
Speaker 2: people are like, who are you? Let's talk about your
Speaker 2: life through film? Oh yeah, You're idea is much better.
Speaker 2: The first thing they ask is, what's the first film
Speaker 2: you remember seeing Ben Burns?
Speaker 1: Do you know what?
Speaker 5: This was one of the ones that I struggled with
Speaker 5: the most to have one answer, because when people sort
Speaker 5: of say, oh, yeah, don't you remember your first time
Speaker 5: you ever ate a banana? Or I remember being born?
Speaker 5: No you don't, you don't. No one remembers anything before
Speaker 5: they about six, I reckon. So this was actually one
Speaker 5: I struggled with. I certainly remember sort of seeing the
Speaker 5: Disney of Sword in the Stone and Robin Hood and
Speaker 5: all that very on and the Never Any Story and
Speaker 5: flight the Navigator and The Labyrinth, those sort of like
Speaker 5: early quest early eighties things. Those are the ones that
Speaker 5: were around, but I couldn't put my finger on what
Speaker 5: the first one was.
Speaker 2: Like I remember, well, let's go with Flighting and Navigate
Speaker 2: because I haven't talked about that on here for a while.
Speaker 2: What a movie, Olso, what an eighties movie.
Speaker 5: My favorite part of that film definitely was when he
Speaker 5: gets to space camp and he goes to his room
Speaker 5: and there's all these like sort of NASA things on
Speaker 5: his bed. He's got the spaceman Ice Creabe, and he's
Speaker 5: got his jumpsuit and it's all like laid out in
Speaker 5: this like perfect way on his like perfectly made bed,
Speaker 5: and it's all he gets, basically a welcome pack. That
Speaker 5: is the most. That is my most vivid memory from
Speaker 5: that film. And I haven't seen it since I was
Speaker 5: a kid, and I can still remember that. I don't
Speaker 5: know what that says about anything, if it says anything
Speaker 5: about me, but that is the frame of the film
Speaker 5: that I remember the most.
Speaker 2: That is interesting. You like you like free gifts, You
Speaker 2: like you like a swag bag, That's what That's what
Speaker 2: it is. You like a T shirt? You like some merch.
Speaker 4: Yeah, how ironic. I've just released my own merch for
Speaker 4: my music.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 5: It's not about merch. It's about It's not about much.
Speaker 5: I think it's about It's about he's worried about it,
Speaker 5: about going there, and I think it's welcoming and it's
Speaker 5: loving either way. It's sort of set out and I
Speaker 5: think that that it's like it's like doing nice things
Speaker 5: for people.
Speaker 2: Do you remember when you saw your early films thinking
Speaker 2: I want to do this, I want to be an actor.
Speaker 5: No, that, I think that came much later, mid teens.
Speaker 5: I think it's because I was sort of quite good
Speaker 5: at quite a lot of things, but not very good
Speaker 5: at anything. And I think I felt a bit invisible
Speaker 5: and a bit sort of like lost, and a bit
Speaker 5: like I needed to sort of pick something. And I
Speaker 5: think that obviously, you know, this is this is an
Speaker 5: industry that you go into and you are sort of seen,
Speaker 5: You're literally on a stage, and I think it was
Speaker 5: something that I could maybe devote myself and maybe trying
Speaker 5: to get good at. I think I think, I think,
Speaker 5: I think it was just about trying to sort of
Speaker 5: focus on one thing. But I was never really able
Speaker 5: to do that because I was too interested in lots
Speaker 5: of things. But it started to it was sort of
Speaker 5: through music actually, and then it was sort of, you know,
Speaker 5: musical than the song part sort of got stripped away
Speaker 5: and it became about storytelling and then I found a
Speaker 5: love of that latterly interesting.
Speaker 2: What's the film that scared you the most? Do you
Speaker 2: like being scared? No? I don't.
Speaker 5: And I said I would never do a horror film,
Speaker 5: And I've literally just finished work on a horror Gamo
Speaker 5: Dog Tores doing an anthology horror series called The Cabinet
Speaker 5: of Curiosities. It's a bit sort of black mirrors, but
Speaker 5: instead of tech, it's all sort of horror tropes.
Speaker 4: And I've just finished it.
Speaker 5: This week was a very creepy, creepy, scary episode of it,
Speaker 5: with all manner of grizzly things and a really terrifying
Speaker 5: and really terrifying ending. Great and I purposefully asked the
Speaker 5: director and the team to mess with me as much
Speaker 5: as possible and to stop me at doing it the acting,
Speaker 5: because I call him and said, lot, I've been doing
Speaker 5: this twenty years, but I haven't really played anyone that
Speaker 5: that's sort of scared a lot, and it's not a
Speaker 5: genre I'm very familiar with. When I was looking down
Speaker 5: your list, I looked up like the one hundred scariest
Speaker 5: films ever, and I've seen about two of them, so
Speaker 5: I was like, well, it's not on this list. So
Speaker 5: I was getting them to bang bits of wood together
Speaker 5: and play horrible scream at me during takes if possible,
Speaker 5: just to sort of just to sort of like mess
Speaker 5: with me. And I did not like it, and I
Speaker 5: still won't watch anymore, but I will watch that. But
Speaker 5: but one of the things that he was asking me about,
Speaker 5: can I play some sounds?
Speaker 4: And I suddenly had this.
Speaker 5: Memory of the film The Return to Oz, which is
Speaker 5: a sequel to the Wizard.
Speaker 4: The most the Wheelies, the Wheelies.
Speaker 5: These these creeps were they look like sort of human
Speaker 5: circus clowns, but they've got wheels instead of hands and feet,
Speaker 5: and they squeaked. So the director, because it requires me
Speaker 5: to be scared of things that that aren't really there.
Speaker 4: Lot this this this job I've just done, and.
Speaker 5: So he would he would play on speakers the sounds
Speaker 5: of the Wheelies during takes, just.
Speaker 4: To fuck with me, in mess with me, and it
Speaker 4: worked and it was horrible.
Speaker 5: And then I remember that, you know that that sort
Speaker 5: of Alice in Wonderland, the thing of her falling down
Speaker 5: I think it's Dorothy or Dorothy's or or whoever it is,
Speaker 5: falling down this sort of rabbit hole, but there's hands
Speaker 5: grabbing at her in this horrible sort of gropy way,
Speaker 5: and it just those two images are again, I haven't
Speaker 5: seen it in so many years, because why would you
Speaker 5: put yourself through that again? But those images are really
Speaker 5: really stuck with me.
Speaker 2: It's Banana's return to Us. It's fucking like when you
Speaker 2: watch it, you're like, I cannot believe this was a
Speaker 2: Disney film that got made for kids. It's so scary.
Speaker 4: No, someone was on someone was on drugs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's heads in fucking in There's a whole
Speaker 2: cabinet of heads. It's scary. Ship, It's horrible.
Speaker 4: It's horrible. Although when I was I can tell you
Speaker 4: what films scared me the most.
Speaker 5: I mean, obviously I saw that when I was probably
Speaker 5: quite young, but as a little kid, I remembered this
Speaker 5: story and maybe I remember it, and maybe it's just
Speaker 5: because my dad has told it to me about me,
Speaker 5: to various people in front of me many times, which
Speaker 5: is that I think on about my sixth, fifth or
Speaker 5: sixth birthday, I was on one of those Channel fairies
Speaker 5: and it was my birthday and there was a little
Speaker 5: screening room on the ferry and they were playing role
Speaker 5: do was the witches, And there is the moment in
Speaker 5: the middle of the film for anyone who hasn't seen it,
Speaker 5: where the witches removed their wigs and gloves and they
Speaker 5: be cut and skin and they look pretty gruesome. And
Speaker 5: at that point in the film, apparently, according to myth legend,
Speaker 5: I waltzed down. This is very apparently this was very
Speaker 5: out of character, but I waltzed down to the front
Speaker 5: of I hate speaking public, speaking as myself, by the
Speaker 5: way you should. It's about me, absolutely so scared of it,
Speaker 5: so scared of it, and walked down to the to
Speaker 5: the screen at the front, turned around and said in
Speaker 5: the most precocious way possible, well this is a bit
Speaker 5: too scary, isn't it, and walked out.
Speaker 4: My dad has not.
Speaker 5: Run after me because even like you just met, I'm
Speaker 5: going to make a.
Speaker 2: See so I'm jumping overboard. Good day.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So I have never told anyone that, but my
Speaker 4: dad has told lots of people.
Speaker 2: Why do you think you're so scared of talking as yourself?
Speaker 2: I mean I don't. I mean I sort of understand,
Speaker 2: But do you know why?
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know.
Speaker 5: In my new found of revelation about about not being
Speaker 5: so worried about it, maybe I'm maybe I'm not anymore.
Speaker 5: I don't know quite what it is. Maybe it's just
Speaker 5: too long sort of doing it in front of people
Speaker 5: as someone else. But I do get even on the
Speaker 5: wrap of a film or something, when that in the
Speaker 5: thirty seconds you have to say thank you to a
Speaker 5: crew that I'm so grateful for, my heart just goes
Speaker 5: a bit fast, my palms go a bit sweaty, and
Speaker 5: I'm not quite sure. My words get jumpled up, And
Speaker 5: I don't know why that is, because I'm very comfortable
Speaker 5: doing this with you. I'm very comfortable in any sort
Speaker 5: of social situation. But when it's suddenly your sort of
Speaker 5: when there's a pressure on it, expectator. Expectation is the
Speaker 5: mother of all fucking horror, isn't it. And I think that,
Speaker 5: you know, whenever you're sort of expected to say something,
Speaker 5: I can sort of climb up and get a bit tight.
Speaker 5: I think I've just sort of realized that it's actually
Speaker 5: not I'm not worried about necessarily being embarrassed, because you
Speaker 5: can just go thank you very much and keep it
Speaker 5: very short.
Speaker 4: But I think it's about.
Speaker 5: Sort of letting people's perception of who they think I
Speaker 5: am down not being charismatic enough, or not not being
Speaker 5: eloquent or charming enough. Not being enough, I think, is
Speaker 5: what's fueled a lot of that stuff over the years
Speaker 5: for me, of which I've now managed to sort of
Speaker 5: let go of it. You are enough, that's the title
Speaker 5: of this episode. Enough No Ben Buns Colon.
Speaker 2: Speaking of speaking of crying what's the film that made
Speaker 2: you cry the most? Are you a crier?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I like a good cry. The film that made
Speaker 5: me cry the most, and it made me cry for
Speaker 5: about three days, almost NonStop, because I think I saw
Speaker 5: it just too.
Speaker 4: Young was Spartacus.
Speaker 5: Oh really, it's a very specific reason, which was when
Speaker 5: you get to the end of the film, Kirk Dodson
Speaker 5: and Tony Curtis are forced to fight to the death
Speaker 5: on penalty of death. Obviously they're both going to be
Speaker 5: crucified unless they fight to the death, in which case
Speaker 5: only the victor will be crucified and the other one
Speaker 5: will be killed by their best friend. And the catharsis
Speaker 5: of this a word that I didn't know at eight
Speaker 5: or whenever I saw it, but that sort of unbearable
Speaker 5: pressure and tension, and the fact that they both love
Speaker 5: the other so much that they can't bear to be
Speaker 5: the one that would put them through the agony of
Speaker 5: the crucifixion, and so they actually fight harder for it.
Speaker 5: There was something in my eight year old and at
Speaker 5: whatever however I was brain that just had a schism,
Speaker 5: and I could not bear the idea that anyone could
Speaker 5: come up with this and this I do remember. I
Speaker 5: remember being in tears for days about it. Inconsolable.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Interesting, I'm sorry for you. I'm sorry for your lost.
Speaker 2: What is the film that you love? It's not critically acclaimed,
Speaker 2: most people don't like it, but you don't give a
Speaker 2: fucking shit what anyone says. You will stand by this film.
Speaker 4: Sister Act too.
Speaker 2: I love Sister Tract too. Thank you back in the habit,
Speaker 2: yes please.
Speaker 5: There are moments of Sister BacT two that I will
Speaker 5: pull up on YouTube at any given opportunity. When Lauryn
Speaker 5: Hill sings bit of Eyes on the sparrow at the
Speaker 5: organ or the or the sort of like George.
Speaker 4: With joy for at the end, I think I just
Speaker 4: loved Lauren.
Speaker 5: Hill's voice so much, and it's so much more exciting
Speaker 5: than the first one. And it follows all the proper
Speaker 5: trait of those kinds of cheesy films when they take
Speaker 5: the ropes off at the end and the dancing and
Speaker 5: the mum turning up and all of that and locking
Speaker 5: father Creasy or whatever in the cupboard with a salami.
Speaker 4: Come on, I won't hear a word against it.
Speaker 2: It's flawless. It's flawless. He gave us Lauren Hill, it's flawless.
Speaker 2: You can have that.
Speaker 4: Thanks.
Speaker 5: Wait, does that mean I've not been able to have
Speaker 5: anything so far?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Up to now, now, up to now, none of
Speaker 2: them have been allowed through.
Speaker 5: But this I didn't it was a challenge.
Speaker 4: I didn't realize there was a challenge, gentlemen to it.
Speaker 2: Nor did I. But until this moment, and we're both late.
Speaker 5: Everyone else has got every film they've ever said through,
Speaker 5: but you so far?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that one. This has been quite a strict process
Speaker 2: of this episode. I don't know why, but for some reason,
Speaker 2: it's a much bigger filter.
Speaker 5: I think it's because I looked at the list of
Speaker 5: films that you said I must have talked about and thought,
Speaker 5: I need to mention several of these.
Speaker 2: I'm your system, and the system is fine. Back. What's
Speaker 2: the film you used to love? You loved it, you've
Speaker 2: watched it. Reason that you've gone out, No, I don't
Speaker 2: like this no more, but for your own reasons.
Speaker 5: So I'm sure there are lots of those, and I
Speaker 5: couldn't think of them. But what I could think of
Speaker 5: was one of my favorite films of all time. And
Speaker 5: I've got a collection in my home of eighties movies.
Speaker 5: Original posters of eighties movies that I just loved and
Speaker 5: have a connection to, some of which you are on
Speaker 5: your list of things and not talking about. But one
Speaker 5: of them is The Princess Bride, which I think is
Speaker 5: one of the greatest films ever made.
Speaker 2: One of the greatests.
Speaker 5: However, it's one of those films that are pedal to
Speaker 5: people and say, this is one of the greatest films
Speaker 5: ever made. What do you mean you haven't seen it?
Speaker 5: Because my cast, especially of my cast of the show
Speaker 5: that I do on Netflix st they're in their early twenties.
Speaker 5: Mainly some don't seen it. They watched it and sort
Speaker 5: of came back and I plug them came back and said, yeah,
Speaker 5: I got about thirty minutes in.
Speaker 4: I didn't really to really get it.
Speaker 5: So I went back and watched it again, thinking maybe
Speaker 5: maybe it's maybe it's a bit dated, maybe it doesn't
Speaker 5: quite hold up. It absolutely fucking does. It's brilliant, and
Speaker 5: they're is brilliant.
Speaker 4: They're wrong.
Speaker 5: So there's a film that does hold up, which is
Speaker 5: I think what you asked, do you.
Speaker 2: Know what I like you flipping the question. I'm going
Speaker 2: to let that through. It was cheeky brilliant, but I've
Speaker 2: letting it through because I love the Princess Bride.
Speaker 5: I feel it on One oh One, which I did
Speaker 5: used to watch as a kid, and I don't think
Speaker 5: it's on anymore. I always wanted to go on that
Speaker 5: and this is about as place I'm ever going to get.
Speaker 4: And I'm going to enjoy it.
Speaker 2: For one episode only. This is seeming to take that format. Now,
Speaker 2: what is the film that means the most to you,
Speaker 2: Ben Burns? Not necessarily the film itself is any good,
Speaker 2: but because the experience you had around seeing it, that
Speaker 2: will always make it meaningful to you.
Speaker 5: Again, there are a few, but this film is very good,
Speaker 5: but it only sort of makes it into the pantheon
Speaker 5: of one of my favorites because of what I saw it,
Speaker 5: which was the film that I saw on my first
Speaker 5: ever date I ever went on. Was and I realized
Speaker 5: my mistake after the fact. And I don't know why
Speaker 5: there weren't more people in my life to tell me
Speaker 5: that this film was setting just setting unreasonable standards. Was
Speaker 5: bats Lehman's Romeo and Juliet came out in the cinema,
Speaker 5: and the day was released in the cinema, was my
Speaker 5: first ever proper date.
Speaker 2: I took someone on Wow, how are were you?
Speaker 4: I don't know, probably fourteen.
Speaker 2: Or fifteen, okay, And what happened on the date.
Speaker 5: It was actually wonderful. It was actually wonderful. She was
Speaker 5: a sweetheart. It's actually quite quite sad, again working against
Speaker 5: the comedy of your podcast format. But we dated for
Speaker 5: a few months, I think, and just hung out and
Speaker 5: watching films at each other's houses.
Speaker 4: And it was so innocent and lovely.
Speaker 5: And I found out that she I think she went
Speaker 5: on a gap here and an accident passed away and
Speaker 5: I read it in the local paper, and I remember,
Speaker 5: and I remember that night watching thinking about it and
Speaker 5: watching Room and Juliet again, and I sort of sort
Speaker 5: of separate it in my head from that.
Speaker 2: God, that's so fucking tragic. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was so it was a weird thing. I've
Speaker 4: actually never told him.
Speaker 2: That you hadn't seen her for like a couple of
Speaker 2: years when that happened.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it'd been, Yeah, it had been probably it was
Speaker 5: probably yeah, four four years or something.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 5: We went touch anything, but yeah, And then a couple
Speaker 5: of years ago, one of my best palers took me
Speaker 5: to the secret cinema version of it where they do
Speaker 5: bits of it live and everything, and yeah, that was
Speaker 5: That was quite But that helped reframe it a little bit.
Speaker 5: It was raining, it was raining the night we saw it,
Speaker 5: and it was it was you know, and I think so,
Speaker 5: I think it was.
Speaker 4: It helped it. Yeah, it helped reframe it a little bit.
Speaker 5: But it's definitely has that association in my mind.
Speaker 4: Don't get me wrong. It's a fond it's a fond
Speaker 4: memory because it was a very.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can see that. It seems so a beautiful
Speaker 2: thing as well. What what's the film you most relate to?
Speaker 5: Okay, so this is stupid, because I'm sure there are
Speaker 5: millions that are. Probably I was thinking, there's got to
Speaker 5: be something a bit romantic, cute, grantee or something.
Speaker 4: There's got to be something that I'm.
Speaker 5: Probably the thing that jumped to mind was the opening
Speaker 5: scene of Swingers, John Favreau calling the girl about forty
Speaker 5: two times and getting increasingly more pathetic with each one.
Speaker 5: And for some reason, I find it's incredibly relatable, not
Speaker 5: because it's something I particularly done, but just something that
Speaker 5: I feel like I understand better than I understand than
Speaker 5: the other scene from a film.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I don't know why that. I don't really
Speaker 4: know why.
Speaker 5: That's my answerability is and you're just gonna it's they're
Speaker 5: my answers.
Speaker 4: So that's that's all happen.
Speaker 2: I told you. I fully accept that answer, and I
Speaker 2: think it is a very real scene. And I've definitely
Speaker 2: I've definitely done that via text. I've definitely sent a
Speaker 2: text and I then sent another text and stop sending.
Speaker 4: Texts it it.
Speaker 2: And then it reads like a mad, insane novel when
Speaker 2: they finally look at it.
Speaker 4: I think it's also more curious to that question.
Speaker 5: I'd be more curious what other people think, what the
Speaker 5: film they think is that they've seen that reminds them
Speaker 5: of me the most, you know what I mean? I
Speaker 5: think as an act, I'm always curious. I'm always curious
Speaker 5: to know what people would. You know, people say, what
Speaker 5: do you want to do next? I don't know what
Speaker 5: do they want me.
Speaker 4: To do next? It's sort of right, you know, because
Speaker 4: that's a part of it, isn't it.
Speaker 2: The truth is the relate what film you most relate to?
Speaker 2: It is the question most people struggle with, which is interesting,
Speaker 2: and you get many varied answers, but I don't. I'd
Speaker 2: say probably five guests that I've had in all the
Speaker 2: time have an answer like that. Most people go, I
Speaker 2: really struggled with this one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think.
Speaker 5: I think it's because it's one of those ones that
Speaker 5: you it's because the one I most want to get right.
Speaker 5: And I think I'd need much more time to look
Speaker 5: through all films I've ever seen and be like, oh, yeah, that,
Speaker 5: but it didn't just come to me.
Speaker 2: Yes, because maybe if you're taking it as like, what's
Speaker 2: the film that defines me as a person, that's too bigger.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the most intimate question in a way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, tell me this, Ben Burns. I think this
Speaker 2: is why people have tuned in what's the sexiest film
Speaker 2: you've ever seen?
Speaker 5: I do enjoy having both my names every question. Is
Speaker 5: a lot of people do that with my name because
Speaker 5: it's a limit of in it, and I enjoy you
Speaker 5: doing it. But I enjoy you doing it, I think
Speaker 5: more than anyone ever. Maybe if you have to get
Speaker 5: you a.
Speaker 2: Badge, you thank.
Speaker 4: You sexiest film.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I think the film I sort of remember
Speaker 5: being the sexiest film was Eating Mama Tambien. Correct great
Speaker 5: moving on and then and then more recently, I saw
Speaker 5: a film called The Handmaiden correct which I don't know
Speaker 5: if I'm allowed to find it.
Speaker 4: So it was supposed to be sexy, but it is
Speaker 4: very sexy.
Speaker 2: It's very sexy. It's got the sexiest tooth failing scene
Speaker 2: in the cinema history. Yeah, yeah, you'd be hardposed to
Speaker 2: find a sexier tooth failing seed.
Speaker 5: But just in case you were going to sort of
Speaker 5: not agree with me so quickly and readily, which luckily
Speaker 5: he did, because those are very sexy films, I had
Speaker 5: a more PG answer ready, which was that the film
Speaker 5: has the date, the date that I would most like
Speaker 5: to go on in it, which is quite sexy, which
Speaker 5: is the Karate Kid, preferably with Elizabeth Shoe. Actually still
Speaker 5: what happens in the date they go to golf and
Speaker 5: stuff in that beautiful yellow retro car that Miss Maggie
Speaker 5: has given him, and they go to golf and stuff,
Speaker 5: and he's sort of putting his arms around and helping
Speaker 5: her put away, and they're having delicious looking at you know,
Speaker 5: fast food, and they're just giggling a lot. And it
Speaker 5: just was not an experience that I was having when
Speaker 5: I was watching that film and I wanted I wanted
Speaker 5: it with.
Speaker 2: That's very very sweet. Speaking of sweet, traveling boners worrying,
Speaker 2: why don't what's a film you found arousing that you
Speaker 2: weren't sure you should.
Speaker 5: I just realized that the Karati Kid was my answer
Speaker 5: to that one. Because I was going to say the
Speaker 5: Karate Kid and then you were going to go, what no.
Speaker 5: I just was just like, go on, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: and then I was going to explain that sort of
Speaker 5: subverting the question of making it sweet. And now I've
Speaker 5: ruined it by offering it too early.
Speaker 2: But what I liked is what we're doing here is
Speaker 2: a deconstructed version of that bit. Yeah no, which is
Speaker 2: very very la It's like a deconstructed taco or something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's stop, body, We do it backwards. It's fine,
Speaker 4: it's good work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's better this way. People. What we've done, we've
Speaker 2: given you. We've given you all the ingredients. You get
Speaker 2: to make the meal yourself in your head.
Speaker 4: I'll give you the answers and you provide the question.
Speaker 2: It's the Jeopardy version of it. I love it. What
Speaker 2: is the crime? What is troubling? Bonus?
Speaker 4: I'll take Troubling Shadow and bonus for five hundred.
Speaker 2: What is objectively the greatest film ever made? Not your favorite, necessarily,
Speaker 2: but the greatest.
Speaker 5: It is one of my It is absolutely one of
Speaker 5: my favorites. And I know that the answer is not
Speaker 5: interesting You've had it so many times before, but is
Speaker 5: back to the Future. I've got the original poster there.
Speaker 5: I just think it's perfect and I've always it's always
Speaker 5: been the answer I have given about my favorite film.
Speaker 5: I will say this, this horror show that I just finished.
Speaker 5: My coastar was Crispin Glover, who was in the film
Speaker 5: obviously is how he's wonderful. Yeah, he's wonderful. He's totally
Speaker 5: eccentric and loves films and making films and being you know,
Speaker 5: sort of collaborating on it. Loves you know, playing characters.
Speaker 5: I think didn't didn't have the gumption to talk to
Speaker 5: him about about it, but it was still thrilling to
Speaker 5: sort of just just to hear his voice. Actually, it's
Speaker 5: just quite It's just probably the film I've seen the most.
Speaker 2: So you can have that, of course, you can have it.
Speaker 2: You can have that way and what we'll do go.
Speaker 4: Back and anyone who said it already in one hundred
Speaker 4: and fifty.
Speaker 2: I'll delete them out of the podcast on Actually I'm
Speaker 2: going to Yeah, Buddy Peace's the producer. When you listen
Speaker 2: to this, could you do that? Please? Shouldn't take you long?
Speaker 1: What what is?
Speaker 2: What's the film that you could or have watched the
Speaker 2: most over and over again?
Speaker 5: I don't know what the film is I've watched the most,
Speaker 5: probably one of the ones I've already mentioned, but I
Speaker 5: was My metric is always like that one that like
Speaker 5: when you're like in a hotel somewhere and you just
Speaker 5: sort of turn on the TV just to have some noise,
Speaker 5: and then it's it's twenty five minutes into the film,
Speaker 5: but you just sit and watch it anyway. I've got
Speaker 5: a lot of those, I think. But you know, there's
Speaker 5: something also. I know I completely avoid the question about
Speaker 5: how where you see yourself in it? And I'm not
Speaker 5: necessarily even sure which character, But there's something about notting
Speaker 5: Hill that I can't I find unavoidable. I just love it,
Speaker 5: unashamedly love that film. And I don't know if I'm
Speaker 5: Hugh goan't On, Julia Roberts or somewhere in the middle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're the characters, but I do love it.
Speaker 5: And there's something sort of very Londonly about it, which
Speaker 5: which I love, and something at the Hollywood coming into London,
Speaker 5: which I understand. But it's just I love the structure
Speaker 5: of those rom coms. I've been trying to find a
Speaker 5: rom com with that kind of simple concept and structure
Speaker 5: for literally for fifteen years.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: I love the format I've seen.
Speaker 5: I watch a lot of kind of films except torra At,
Speaker 5: but those sort of rom coms, when they're done well,
Speaker 5: sort of Richard Curtis style, are my favorites.
Speaker 2: Interesting? Interesting, you haven't found one in fifteen years. As well.
Speaker 2: I think they're very, very very hard to get right.
Speaker 5: I think I've seen a lot that have been made
Speaker 5: in the last sort of ten years, and a lot
Speaker 5: of them are not very good.
Speaker 4: One or two that cut through, but I was not
Speaker 4: offer them disgusting. I don't know what they were thinking.
Speaker 2: We don't like to be negative, do we, Ben Burns,
Speaker 2: You and me are united on that, Yeah, hope FC.
Speaker 2: But what's the worst film I've ever seen?
Speaker 5: So I don't know if it's the worst film I've
Speaker 5: ever seen because I haven't seen it since I was small,
Speaker 5: but there was a sort of running joke in my
Speaker 5: family that we were once traveling somewhere and we watched
Speaker 5: a film because I think we were sort of stuck
Speaker 5: somewhere or something and that you can only get the TV,
Speaker 5: and we watched a film called Basil, which stars Christian Slater,
Speaker 5: and it's a sort of a period Victorian esque kind
Speaker 5: of a film, and it was completely shit, suffering from
Speaker 5: the main crime, main cinema crime of being very very boring.
Speaker 5: And I remember my dad saying, I think that's the
Speaker 5: worst one I've ever seen it. I said, I agree,
Speaker 5: I think that's the worst one I made. And then,
Speaker 5: in anticipation of this, I watched the trailer again online
Speaker 5: and it looks speciously like a film version that I
Speaker 5: did of Dorian Gray, which I think most people would
Speaker 5: contend is the worst film I have been in frond with,
Speaker 5: or one of one of at least, even though it
Speaker 5: looks very, very beautiful and there are good things about it,
Speaker 5: and it's often on Telly it Christmas, and people tell
Speaker 5: me they love it, but that we didn't quite sort
Speaker 5: of hear.
Speaker 2: How do you feel about it? I said, honestly, hand on,
Speaker 2: I haven't seen it. I have no skin in the
Speaker 2: game of this.
Speaker 4: Mixed feelings about it because I loved making it.
Speaker 5: I loved the producers and the director and Colin Firth
Speaker 5: starring Colin Firth, who is one of my favorite humans listeners.
Speaker 2: He just held up a mug that said Keep com
Speaker 2: and Love Colin Fast.
Speaker 5: Given to me by Colin Base. You see, you're the
Speaker 5: only one who will bloody drink out of it. So
Speaker 5: and then I found that you can buy I Keep
Speaker 5: Calm and Love Ben barnesmug on line. So I sent
Speaker 5: it to his his wife, because Shenanigans for the purposes
Speaker 5: of shenanigans.
Speaker 4: But he's a.
Speaker 5: Wonderful human and we had a brilliant time making and
Speaker 5: I think we thought we were making something that was
Speaker 5: maybe perhaps a little bit edgier, and I think I
Speaker 5: think I think it tried maybe to sort of be
Speaker 5: a bit edgy and make some changes and also try
Speaker 5: to sort of please lovers of literature and faithful lovers
Speaker 5: who were hoping for a sort of faithful adaptation of
Speaker 5: the book and everything. And I think that sometimes you
Speaker 5: know you can do everything right and put it all
Speaker 5: in the right sort of order, but it doesn't quite
Speaker 5: capture the sort of zeitgeist of what that adaptation needs
Speaker 5: to be for this generation or whatever. It just got
Speaker 5: very Also, you know, I was twenty six or something
Speaker 5: and that was the last time I read a review.
Speaker 5: It was very poorly reviewed, very very mean about me.
Speaker 5: And now I'm able to use those criticisms actually, especially
Speaker 5: for younger actors, when they say, oh, you know that
Speaker 5: so and so wasn't the best thing about this film
Speaker 5: or whatever, And I'm thinking, you think that's a bad review,
Speaker 5: I'll show you a bad review, mate, and I'll whip
Speaker 5: out the Daily Mail's review of Dorian Gray, which the
Speaker 5: most scathing review of any acting forms in history, I think.
Speaker 4: But it definitely like knocked me off kilter at the time.
Speaker 5: Maybe think maybe I'm not made of stern enough stuff
Speaker 5: to do this, maybe I'm a bit sensitive. But then
Speaker 5: actually it just served to sort of embolden me and
Speaker 5: make myself actually want to be bolder in my choices
Speaker 5: maybe or more it may be double down, maybe more
Speaker 5: committed to making a success of this and being the best,
Speaker 5: you know, just being the best actor I can be anyway, And.
Speaker 2: Do you avoid all things?
Speaker 1: Then?
Speaker 2: Do you avoid all press? Do you avoid social media.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was working on the third Narnia film in
Speaker 5: Australia and to Toronto for the for the for the
Speaker 5: film festival, and the reviews came out that that day
Speaker 5: and I had to I had one to fly from
Speaker 5: Australia to Toronto and back again in a day and
Speaker 5: a half or something and night. So I was upside
Speaker 5: down and inside out at that point. And I think
Speaker 5: that that just the reviews coming out of that time,
Speaker 5: it just it really knocked me. It really knocked me,
Speaker 5: you know, as I say, I think there are great
Speaker 5: things about it, and really I'm still really proud to
Speaker 5: have done it. I'm very proud to have been casting
Speaker 5: it with those people and you know, to have been
Speaker 5: trusted with that story.
Speaker 4: Do I think I'm a better at to now? Yeah?
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, you're fucking twenty six, is there? Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's mad.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Interestingly, the horror thing that I've just done as a
Speaker 5: sort of couple of little elements of it that made
Speaker 5: me think, oh maybe this is you know, another go to.
Speaker 4: And I got asked to do the.
Speaker 5: Audio book actually Adoring Great last year or the even before,
Speaker 5: and I was like, oh, I get to sort of
Speaker 5: have another go here as well.
Speaker 4: But yeah, still very proud to have been involved in it.
Speaker 5: And I think, you know, all all these moves that
Speaker 5: we make make us the person me on, I'm proud
Speaker 5: of the person that I am.
Speaker 4: So do I watch it often?
Speaker 2: No, really good answer, I'm so. I think it's absolutely
Speaker 2: right not to read anything. But I think it's hard.
Speaker 2: I'm impressed a hard lesson. I suppose you're just used
Speaker 2: to it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, any way to learn it, of course that
Speaker 5: is the only possible way, you think is in the
Speaker 5: fire and get burned before you know not to touch it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I definitely definitely experience that, and I should never
Speaker 2: look I shouldn't have looked. Okay, what's the film you're
Speaker 2: you're funny, ben Burns, You've been funny and stuff. What's
Speaker 2: the film that made you laugh the most?
Speaker 5: I think the film that has made me laugh the
Speaker 5: most number of times is this is spinal Tap?
Speaker 2: Correct, You've got a few of these, completely right.
Speaker 1: I'll win it.
Speaker 5: Well again, these are the ones that my that my
Speaker 5: collection of eighties post is this is this is one
Speaker 5: of them. I get probably one of the films I'll
Speaker 5: watched the most, certainly the film that if people haven't
Speaker 5: seen it, I will. I will immediately pull up something
Speaker 5: or start quoting it, or I'll be unsufferable talking about it.
Speaker 5: But it's just endlessly close ball. I mean, it's funny.
Speaker 5: It's the first second before you've even got any actors
Speaker 5: in it. Rob Bryan is introducing it and he does
Speaker 5: this thing where he folds his arms and then just
Speaker 5: sort of lets them. It is so uncomfortable that he
Speaker 5: sort of lets them hang down.
Speaker 4: And it makes it.
Speaker 5: I cannot watch that without laughing. And nothing's happened yet.
Speaker 5: The film hasn't even started yet. It's yeah, it's just
Speaker 5: it's genius.
Speaker 1: Love.
Speaker 2: It really is, Ben Burns. You've been an absolute joy.
Speaker 2: I've loved talking to you. However, when you were one
Speaker 2: hundred years old, you had a birthday card from the
Speaker 2: Queen who is who was at the time about one
Speaker 2: hundred and ninety. When I was first to send the card,
Speaker 2: it was very scrawrey writing, but I believe it was
Speaker 2: from her herself, and she did the past. You're a
Speaker 2: bit tired. You went to bed, and your loved ones,
Speaker 2: he said, gather around, gather around, your loved ones, gathered around,
Speaker 2: and your your great great great granddaughter took your hand
Speaker 2: and in a piece of madness, squeezed your hands so hard.
Speaker 4: So much despair, because you loved me so very much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, squeezed it so hard that it snapped in twenty
Speaker 2: five places. She screamed. Everyone started screaming around you. Right,
Speaker 2: Oh God, why am I done? Were screaming a hate you? No,
Speaker 2: I know that's chaos. All your loved ones is just
Speaker 2: so what we've done. And there was blood and then
Speaker 2: the blood got infected and you had the instant sepsis
Speaker 2: and it spread through your body quite quickly, to be fair,
Speaker 2: and then and then you were just choking on the
Speaker 2: infection and then people screaming. Everyone was screaming, and you died.
Speaker 2: It was one of the least peacefulness I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: And I hear this, I hear this chaos. I'm like,
Speaker 2: what's going on in that house? And Ben bunders has
Speaker 2: it sounds like a massacres happened. All your all your
Speaker 2: loved ones. They run out of the house, screaming like
Speaker 2: they've been in a horror. I've got a coughin on me,
Speaker 2: you know what. I'm like, Drag it up, st go
Speaker 2: where it's Ben Barns. Oh, detective friend, Ben's Ben Barns.
Speaker 2: Where is he? I go up the stairs and there
Speaker 2: you are, and your body has exploded from the instants,
Speaker 2: fucking everywhere. It's everywhere, on the walls, on the it's disgusting.
Speaker 2: And also insects are floating through the winter. They're already
Speaker 2: eating on your rotting flesh. I'm like, get out of here,
Speaker 2: scram and I scrape off all the bits of you
Speaker 2: I can. I put you in the coffin. It's a
Speaker 2: fucking I'm having to wear industrial gloves. It's gross. Even
Speaker 2: I'm gross stat by it. It's a mess. It's like
Speaker 2: I've made a fucking pool of cess in this coffin. Anyway,
Speaker 2: it's full. It's full, and there's only really enough room
Speaker 2: for me to slide one DVD into the group to
Speaker 2: take across to the other side. And on the other
Speaker 2: side it's movie night every night, and one night it's
Speaker 2: what film were you taking to show everyone in heaven
Speaker 2: when it's your movie night? Bed buds, Please, I've poked.
Speaker 4: The bear, there, haven't I At the beginning, I challenged you.
Speaker 5: It's like I sat, I was like I went to
Speaker 5: a comedy show and sat in the middle of the
Speaker 5: front row, thinking this would be fine.
Speaker 4: I hate, I hate, I hate, I hate you for that.
Speaker 2: How you listen? I'm so sorry that listen.
Speaker 4: It was screaming.
Speaker 2: Made my peace, all of them. It was quick, though,
Speaker 2: it was quick. Okay, what film are you taking with
Speaker 2: you to show to Heaven?
Speaker 4: I am taking with me, arguably.
Speaker 5: And when I was argue, I mean arguing with myself
Speaker 5: because it's impossible to answer the film ever is but
Speaker 5: the one I would most like to share with, the
Speaker 5: one I most like to show people, the one that
Speaker 5: I has bought me, probably the most joy.
Speaker 4: When Harry met.
Speaker 2: Sally, oh fucking perfect answer. I almost feel bad about
Speaker 2: how you died with that answer. But I'm not in
Speaker 2: charge of those things.
Speaker 4: I'm up. I'm up in heaven and now I met Sali.
Speaker 4: I'm having a lovely time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're having absolute and.
Speaker 5: Everyone's going andone's going bringing this brilliant, brilliant choice, brilliant,
Speaker 5: brilliant choice of film for us to watch. The thing
Speaker 5: probably the probably the best choice of all the hundred things.
Speaker 2: You're the best person anyway. Just before we settle down
Speaker 2: to watch this lovely film, how did you die? Again, buds.
Speaker 2: What a joy. Now, I assume you would like people
Speaker 2: to listen to your album. Is that what we have
Speaker 2: to look forward to next from you?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: What's it called.
Speaker 5: It's called Songs for You And it is five songs
Speaker 5: that I wrote at that piano and and then had
Speaker 5: some brilliant, brilliant producing pop people helped me make more
Speaker 5: shiny sounding with exciting, brilliant musicians from around the world
Speaker 5: sort of contributing their bits during the pandemic, which is
Speaker 5: kind of thrilling and amazing. And now it's this sort
Speaker 5: of little it's this little record which is just going
Speaker 5: to be everywhere and it's brilliant. Yeah, people have been
Speaker 5: The first song came out a few weeks ago, and
Speaker 5: people sending me you know, actually, I think one of
Speaker 5: the things I love the most is this this this
Speaker 5: this girl's dancing in a kitchen, this big smile on
Speaker 5: her face to it. And then people have been doing
Speaker 5: some of pole dancing corribly, or ice skating routines, or
Speaker 5: doing a sing cover of it, or drawing something from
Speaker 5: the music video or whatever. Just like just just feeling like,
Speaker 5: I think something about me doing it at forty rather
Speaker 5: than at nineteen when I first tried. Is making people
Speaker 5: go I can well, maybe I can just do my
Speaker 5: thing now, and that feels good.
Speaker 2: I love that. I love that. Congratulations, congratulations on your album.
Speaker 2: That's fucking huge. Thanks. I hope that more and more
Speaker 2: people love it. I have loved talking with you. Thank
Speaker 2: you for your time, and good luck with everything, have
Speaker 2: a wonderful time in heaven and love to you. Good day,
Speaker 2: sir Cherry bye.
Speaker 3: So that was Ben Barnes on a rewind Classic episode.
Speaker 3: Be sure to check out the Patreon page at patreon
Speaker 3: dot com slash Brett Goldstein, where you'll get extra chat,
Speaker 3: video and mixtapes at various tears and otherwise. If you
Speaker 3: fancy leaving a note on Apple podcasts, that would be
Speaker 3: lovely too, but make it a review of your favorite film.
Speaker 3: Much more fun and Brett and more in love nothing
Speaker 3: more than reading them. It is gratefully appreciated. Thank you
Speaker 3: so much to Ben Barnes for fun times and presents
Speaker 3: on the podcast. Thanks to Scrubius, Pip and the Distraction
Speaker 3: Pieces Network, thanks too. And this is where Brett thanks
Speaker 3: me for editing and producing the podcast, so I say
Speaker 3: in return, it is a pleasure. Thanks to iHeartMedia and
Speaker 3: Will Ferrell's Big Money Players Network for hosting it. Thanks
Speaker 3: to Adam Richardson for the graphic and Lisa Lydon for
Speaker 3: the photography. We will be back next week with another
Speaker 3: rewind classic. But that is it for now. Brett and
Speaker 3: I and all of us have films to be buried with.
Speaker 3: Hope you're all very well in the meantime, have a
Speaker 3: lovely week, and now more than ever, be excellent to
Speaker 3: each other.