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Speaker 1: gonna get a little weird. To Part two of the
Speaker 1: Colin Coward Podcast with my buddy Nick Wright. Kevin Durant
Speaker 1: said something this week, and I don't think he was
Speaker 1: aware of it. And my first takeaway is, and I
Speaker 1: like Kevin Durant a lot, but he said, why am
Speaker 1: I not in the goat conversation? And it's easy to
Speaker 1: see that as narcissism. But what Michael and Lebron have
Speaker 1: in common and Kobe do a large degree, they were
Speaker 1: business people. They saw basketball structurally, they took opportunities about
Speaker 1: with it. Coaching, they befriended the right agents, the right coaches,
Speaker 1: the right owners or you know. And Kobe was very
Speaker 1: close to bus or or and later they saw it structurally.
Speaker 1: There was a structural component. Kevin is more whimsical, he's
Speaker 1: more of an artist, he's actually worked against structure. He
Speaker 1: should have never left Sure Golden State to go to
Speaker 1: Crazy Brooklyn. Phoenix was kind of an out of the
Speaker 1: blue move for a franchise without great history of winning championships,
Speaker 1: and that I didn't view him saying that, why am
Speaker 1: I not on the goat discussion as narcissistic. It is
Speaker 1: simply he is a whimsical personality. He's a bit of
Speaker 1: a wander and to him, it's all about I can
Speaker 1: get a bucket over any of these guys. Nobody can
Speaker 1: get a bucket better than That's why. That's how he's
Speaker 1: not structural in any form.
Speaker 2: So that's why he was such an interesting comment because,
Speaker 2: so I was talking, you'll probably be able to guess
Speaker 2: who would I don't want to say who it is,
Speaker 2: but a mutual friend of ours who I think used
Speaker 2: to live down the block from you, or maybe briefly,
Speaker 2: but a mutual friend who is one of the smartest people.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, okay. And he said to me, he said,
Speaker 2: take every all time great, the fifty best players ever
Speaker 2: and put them in their prime and have them line
Speaker 2: up on the side of a black top and it's
Speaker 2: just and you get in someone who's never seen, never seen,
Speaker 2: knows their resume, knows what they accomplish whatever. You get
Speaker 2: them at their peak, and they get to pick, like
Speaker 2: we're picking, you know, for five on five. You know,
Speaker 2: I have first draft pick. And he's like okay, and
Speaker 2: they're like, all right, describe this guy to me. And
Speaker 2: you get to Michael Jordan and it's like, okay, well,
Speaker 2: he's you know, he's about average height, he's you know,
Speaker 2: about average deep shooter, very very good mid range. You know,
Speaker 2: one of the best two or three athletes here. An
Speaker 2: insane competitor, insane. I'd say, okay, sounds good. I probably
Speaker 2: set aside. I probably can do better. All right. Who's
Speaker 2: this guy? Oh, this guy's Lebron James. He might be
Speaker 2: the best raw athlete here. He's you know, there's fifteen
Speaker 2: twenty guys here that can shoot better than him. There's
Speaker 2: twenty five guys here that can dribble better than him. Uh,
Speaker 2: but he does everything really really well and he can
Speaker 2: get to the basket at will. It's like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: it sounds good, but it probably not nor won't pick.
Speaker 2: All right, who's that guy. It's Kevin Durant. All right,
Speaker 2: tell me about him. Well, he's the second tallest guy
Speaker 2: here and probably the best shooter. There's only four guys
Speaker 2: here that can dribble better than him. He can play
Speaker 2: every position, He'll guard anyone you want. That guy would say, well,
Speaker 2: I'm fucking taking him. He's the tallest and the second
Speaker 2: best shooter. Like what are we talking about? And so
Speaker 2: under like those auspices. I think Durant's like, why am
Speaker 2: I tell me? Why tell me who's better? You tell
Speaker 2: me that if we were playing King of the Court,
Speaker 2: who wouldn't win? And I think that's how he views it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and tell us understand it.
Speaker 1: I've said this. He would win the all time NBA
Speaker 1: one on one contest. Jordan could not stop him, and
Speaker 1: he's tall enough to be a pain in the ass. Yes,
Speaker 1: Lebron's not a good enough shooter to win one on
Speaker 1: one because he couldn't just get to the basket with
Speaker 1: Kevin's length, so Kevin would outshoot him. Kareem is not
Speaker 1: quick enough, nor is a team or Shock and Kobe.
Speaker 1: Kobe's smaller is that if you did one on one,
Speaker 1: Kevin would beat all of them. Mark Few was on
Speaker 1: the Olympic staff, Mark Fugh and pretty good teams saw
Speaker 1: the players and I said, you know, you're watching literally
Speaker 1: the twelve fifteen best players in the world, right And
Speaker 1: he said, I said that anything like did you ever like?
Speaker 1: Was there ever a jaw dropping moment? And Mark said,
Speaker 1: first of all, it was an honor. I loved all
Speaker 1: of them. But he's like Colin, I've never seen a
Speaker 1: player Kevin Durant not only got a good shot, he
Speaker 1: got any shot he wanted, and it was always a
Speaker 1: great shot. Yeah, there are no fallaways. There are his ability,
Speaker 1: his length, his release, his ball handling. He said, I've
Speaker 1: never seen it. And by the way, Gonzagas had great players,
Speaker 1: he's been on the Olympic teams. He said, I'm not
Speaker 1: sure I've ever seen a player who gets a great
Speaker 1: shot anytime you want.
Speaker 2: But that's also why that same But with all that said,
Speaker 2: there is no goat argument you can even fashion that
Speaker 2: because because a LA it's a structural it's about the
Speaker 2: context of the accomplishments and the all of it. But
Speaker 2: it also is why he was so fascinated, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: with Kyrie, because along that same logical path, you can argue,
Speaker 2: why is Steph Curry better than Kyrie, So Stepson ninety
Speaker 2: nine out of one hundred shooting and Kyrie's a eighty nine.
Speaker 2: Kyrie's better at everything else. So why and so? But
Speaker 2: because again in that mythical what what are you know?
Speaker 2: How skilled are you? Discussion? What you know? What can
Speaker 2: you do? Those are the ones where Kyrie shines the
Speaker 2: most within the structure of can you be relied on
Speaker 2: for seven months? All of that you're out the wind
Speaker 2: that drew Holidays better than you. But in the idea
Speaker 2: and so you get why they were drawn to each other.
Speaker 1: Okay, So it's prime example is that Lebron, Michael, and
Speaker 1: Kobe all view basketball to some degree. They viewed it
Speaker 1: as a business. There were certain teammates that drove him crazy.
Speaker 1: They were Kevin views it as an artist and attracted
Speaker 1: to other artists who lacks sort of the structural consistency
Speaker 1: to be on time, be there every night, play defense.
Speaker 1: He views it as art and he is van Go,
Speaker 1: whereas Kobe, like love Gasol, his consistency, his brain. I mean,
Speaker 1: he Shack's a greater player. But Shack didn't want to practice.
Speaker 1: Shack sometimes just didn't want to play. Shaq was sometimes distracted.
Speaker 1: Shack viewed it sometimes as art. So Kobe could struggle
Speaker 1: with a lack of consistent structural, constructural consistency that Gasol provided,
Speaker 1: and Shaq was a greater play that didn't. And so
Speaker 1: if you look at Michael Rodman drove him crazy, But
Speaker 1: Scotty Pippen did he acknowledges that Scotty when he went
Speaker 1: to Washington. Those guys were all a bunch of goofball players.
Speaker 1: They drove Michael crazy. They wouldn't put the time and
Speaker 1: the effort in. So I do think many of the
Speaker 1: great players they see the sports as there's a business
Speaker 1: component to it. Get the right coach, the right teammate,
Speaker 1: the right consistency. Kevin's the ultimate artist, and he's not
Speaker 1: concerned about that. He sees it as a canvas every
Speaker 1: night and he's gonna spill some paint, but he's the
Speaker 1: best painter.
Speaker 2: No, that's that's right, and it is it is a
Speaker 2: and all all bring it to this and then then
Speaker 2: we got to go. There's a level of that. It's
Speaker 2: not the exact same, but the same line of thinking
Speaker 2: of why isn't Kevin Durant the greatest player ever? Is
Speaker 2: the same line of thinking of why isn't Josh Allen
Speaker 2: the best quarter back in the league. It's the same.
Speaker 2: It's the same. It's like, well, okay, tell me, why
Speaker 2: is there a guy bigger than him? Knows the guy
Speaker 2: stronger than him?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Is there guy faster than him? Sure, a couple, but
Speaker 2: they're not more effective runners can Is there someone that
Speaker 2: can throw it further than him, that can make more throws.
Speaker 2: It's like, you understand the theoretical argument behind it, but
Speaker 2: the practical application has never born itself out. And that's
Speaker 2: the and that's the problem.
Speaker 1: I always try to bring up something that I saw
Speaker 1: this week that kind of shocked me and have a
Speaker 1: reaction to it. We didn't prep for this. So I
Speaker 1: saw a story this week. Yeah, that just one energy
Speaker 1: drink a month can disrupt sleep one a month. And
Speaker 1: this leads me to a story. One time, when I
Speaker 1: first got a job at ESPN, I went back to
Speaker 1: visit a friend in Las Vegas and it was a
Speaker 1: late flight. This was years ago, could have been fifteen
Speaker 1: years ago. Red Bull was out, but I wasn't aware
Speaker 1: of it. And I go and meet these guys at
Speaker 1: a bar and I said, guys, I've been doing shows
Speaker 1: all week I'm pretty tired. And they said, have a
Speaker 1: red Bull, and the bartender says down. He says, here,
Speaker 1: you've had a Vodkin a red bull?
Speaker 2: Oh boy?
Speaker 1: Okay, So he pours one, a second, third, fourth, fifth
Speaker 1: of running. So at six in the morning, when I'm
Speaker 1: doing jumping jacks, I'm like, yeah, this is something I
Speaker 1: had no idea.
Speaker 2: So I so I've got it. Very not unrelated but
Speaker 2: not totally related. By the way, cheers as always, this
Speaker 2: is the part of the process with you. I listen.
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm drinking whatever wine I have until we
Speaker 2: get the cow Herd winery, which I assume is down
Speaker 2: the road at some point coming. So I don't drink
Speaker 2: energy drinks at all. I do drink probably four or
Speaker 2: five cups of coffee a day, and so I'll drink
Speaker 2: I basically just drink coffee continuously until I go to work,
Speaker 2: and then I drink a coffee during the show. So
Speaker 2: you know what I but I never drink soda. I don't,
Speaker 2: and I don't drink energy drinks any of that, and nothing.
Speaker 2: I guess I just don't. What I do do, however,
Speaker 2: is I've worn nicotine patches for fifteen years I wore
Speaker 2: nicotine patches starting when my wife and I went on
Speaker 2: our first vacation together and she hated that I smoke.
Speaker 2: So I gotta wear nicotine patches, and I've been wearing
Speaker 2: them ever since. It's not the greatest thing, but it's
Speaker 2: not actually as awful as people think. What I don't
Speaker 2: do is take them off when I go to sleep.
Speaker 2: So I put one on in the morning and I
Speaker 2: wear it until the next morning, and then I take
Speaker 2: it off with a new going on. So this is
Speaker 2: a I listen, I am. I'm not trying to be
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers here, and you know, pretend to be a
Speaker 2: scientist or a doctor. So I'm not gonna claim I've
Speaker 2: done the research on it. I am just a sample
Speaker 2: of one. What I think that creates is my I'm
Speaker 2: getting a constant stimulation via nicotine, and so I have
Speaker 2: not only do I have vivid dreams, but I have
Speaker 2: like dreams where I am articulating an argument on the
Speaker 2: show that I sometimes then wake up and it's not
Speaker 2: like a goofy, like what that were you thinking about?
Speaker 2: I was like, that's a great fucking point I just had,
Speaker 2: and I like use it, And so my mind is
Speaker 2: kind of always there's so I don't. So that's a
Speaker 2: long way of saying it's on the board that it's
Speaker 2: been fifteen years since I got a good night's ressed
Speaker 2: and maybe in my eyes, but uh, I mean that
Speaker 2: is all on the board. But yeah, so I am.
Speaker 2: I wear the nicotine patch twenty four hours a day,
Speaker 2: and as you can see on the show, I still
Speaker 2: didn't occasionally hit you know, nicotine.
Speaker 1: Vabe somebody years ago, I had a doctor friend and
Speaker 1: you know, we were friends, and he's like, you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes Colin, I'll be talking to you and I just
Speaker 1: lose you. And I said, well, you're you're no longer interesting,
Speaker 1: so you have to maintain your interest level or I
Speaker 1: just tune you out and think about other shit. And
Speaker 1: so he thought that was funny. As a doctor, he said,
Speaker 1: have you considered going on? And he gave me something
Speaker 1: It could have been riddled in or something, I don't
Speaker 1: know what it was, and I said, oh, I'm not
Speaker 1: taking any drugs for this. I said, I know that
Speaker 1: my head is different. I know it is because I
Speaker 1: know people aren't thinking like I'm thinking. But I talked
Speaker 1: to myself three hours a day. I do not want
Speaker 1: to be medicated. I am willing to be zany and weird.
Speaker 2: So this is because I want to help my career
Speaker 2: with you. I'm so glad we started here. There so
Speaker 2: many crazy like it's coming off to visional weekend. I'm
Speaker 2: so much more interested in this specific conversation for a
Speaker 2: number of reasons. So, uh, you and I don't have
Speaker 2: the same brain, but we clearly have a lot of similarities.
Speaker 1: In how mathy.
Speaker 2: I'm more mathy, You're kind of more ideas, but we
Speaker 2: have a lot of kind of similarities of how I
Speaker 2: think our brains work. So I I for a very
Speaker 2: long time. There's an article that I have up in
Speaker 2: my office that was written about me twelve years ago
Speaker 2: when I was doing a poorly rated afternoon radio show
Speaker 2: in Kansas City, and I just kind of speak and
Speaker 2: I say to the guy, I'm like, well, here's what's
Speaker 2: going to happen. Like I'm going to beat the guy
Speaker 2: who's been number one for twenty years. Then I'm going
Speaker 2: to go to a major market. I'm going to be
Speaker 2: number one there, and then I'm going to one day
Speaker 2: takeover for Colin Cowherd. Like I was like laying it
Speaker 2: all out, but keep in mind. I'm laying this all
Speaker 2: out as a getting you know, coming in sixteenth place
Speaker 2: in Kansas City, getting up one point two share, just
Speaker 2: saying it. At point of fact, I'm like, and the
Speaker 2: article is written from the perspective of, Hey, there's this
Speaker 2: guy on the radio in Kansas City who's totally delusional.
Speaker 2: Like that. That is the premise of it. It's kind
Speaker 2: of a hip piece. Yeah, But in there I talk
Speaker 2: about that I thought my anxiety was my edge on
Speaker 2: the world. And you know, the guy asked me, I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: I just you know, when my then girlfriend now wife
Speaker 2: goes to bed at night, I just stare up at
Speaker 2: the ceiling for forty five minutes because like, I'm so like,
Speaker 2: am I doing enough? What do I need to do? Whatever? Whatever?
Speaker 2: And that is I I. By the way, if people
Speaker 2: are listening to this, I don't think that I have
Speaker 2: treated this the right way. I don't think it is
Speaker 2: necessarily healthy for me whatever, right, But I believe in
Speaker 2: a very thin lane of professionally medicating that out of
Speaker 2: me would have been the worst thing possible. And so
Speaker 2: like I kind of took the downside of the impact
Speaker 2: it has on my general demeanor or health or whatever,
Speaker 2: because I think it's what makes me unique, Like it
Speaker 2: is one of the things that allowed me to kind
Speaker 2: of do what I've done. And what you were saying
Speaker 2: about yourself is really interesting because it is it is true,
Speaker 2: and everyone who knows you on a personal level knows it.
Speaker 2: Like no matter how much Colin likes you on a
Speaker 2: human level, if you guys are having an interaction and
Speaker 2: you stop being interesting, he's out the door and doesn't
Speaker 2: even know it, Like, and you don't really I think
Speaker 2: maybe you can do this in like a cocktail parties
Speaker 2: with your wife, but I'm guessing you can't, Like you
Speaker 2: don't really have the ability to fake it the way
Speaker 2: most human beings do. Are it's like, oh, tell me
Speaker 2: more about your accounting firm. Like you're just fucking out
Speaker 2: of there and you can see it and everyone knows it,
Speaker 2: and that is maybe a social faux Paula, but it's
Speaker 2: part of the reason you're you, Like you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, Like any of us, like all of us,
Speaker 2: I think, have a oddity that if we had regular jobs,
Speaker 2: people would be like not cool, but because of the
Speaker 2: job he is, they're like, ah, like an art It's
Speaker 2: like kind of like he's an artist, like he's weird.
Speaker 2: But it's fine like that. I feel that exactly. I
Speaker 2: totally know what you're talking about, and I feel like
Speaker 2: I have a similar thing.
Speaker 1: Well it's it's I have a friend. He's just a
Speaker 1: wonderful guy. He's one of my really closest friend, like
Speaker 1: go on vacation friend. And he's he's in Hollywood, and
Speaker 1: I don't want to put his name out there because
Speaker 1: he still does a lot of business. But you know,
Speaker 1: he has told me about interactions and I am in
Speaker 1: no way an artist. I'm not putting myself on that plateau.
Speaker 1: But he was telling me about a dinner he went
Speaker 1: to with Oliver Stone. So Oliver Stone's a fascinating guy.
Speaker 1: I mean, almost everything he's done, even the stuff that
Speaker 1: Schalvador that may not be a hit, is just fascinating.
Speaker 1: Jfk all a tune, all of it. He's a brilliant guy.
Speaker 1: And he was telling me about a dinner he had
Speaker 1: to go to a business dinner with Oliver Stone. And
Speaker 1: he showed up at an hour and a half late
Speaker 1: to a business dinner and didn't really acknowledge it when
Speaker 1: he got there. And at one point he took a dessert.
Speaker 1: He was leaving the restaurant and said, I'm going to
Speaker 1: take a dessert out to a friend and just put
Speaker 1: it in his hand and left the restaurant with his
Speaker 1: in his hand. And he was saying this in admiration
Speaker 1: of He said. The dinner was fascinating. He's one of
Speaker 1: the most brilliant people. He is different, but he's a
Speaker 1: he's really You're sitting and talking to a genius on
Speaker 1: certain levels artistically and again, he is one of my
Speaker 1: top ten Hollywood people I'd love to meet. In fact,
Speaker 1: I just went to a hotel that Beverly, Wilshire a
Speaker 1: month ago with my wife and he was They're having lunch,
Speaker 1: and I thought, I can't, I can't bother him. It
Speaker 1: looked like an important meeting. But I will say is
Speaker 1: that and I'm not an artist, but there is I
Speaker 1: could not be, for instance, and my son's the same way.
Speaker 1: I couldn't be an accountant. I couldn't sit in a cubicle.
Speaker 1: I'm not capable of it. I'm too frenetic, I'm moving
Speaker 1: too much. So the audience is listening to this thinking
Speaker 1: we're probably too self absorbed people. But I think what
Speaker 1: we're doing. We're giving people a glimpse into our peculiar No.
Speaker 2: I don't listen. Yes, I mean, of course anyone who
Speaker 2: does what we do. There is a level of self importance.
Speaker 2: I mean, it doesn't work if you don't like you're
Speaker 2: the whole idea is what I provide to the world
Speaker 2: is my thoughts on the world. That does make one
Speaker 2: feel self important. Like there is so I don't know
Speaker 2: if it's a chicken in the egg thing, But of course,
Speaker 2: like I'm not building anything, I'm not creating anything. I'm
Speaker 2: just giving everyone has ideas and for you or for
Speaker 2: me and people in our space like they you know,
Speaker 2: people want to hear them, or they people think they
Speaker 2: want to hear them or whatever. So, yes, there is
Speaker 2: a level of self importance. But what I think is
Speaker 2: relatable is no matter.
Speaker 1: To me.
Speaker 2: If there's a lesson in such a thing, it's if
Speaker 2: there is something unique about how your brain or you work,
Speaker 2: being able to find the job or career that instead
Speaker 2: of you having to mute that or suppress it that
Speaker 2: rewards you for it is the quickest path to either
Speaker 2: success or a fulfilling existence. Like because there's a lot
Speaker 2: of jobs, you're saying you couldn't do, but it's also
Speaker 2: that you couldn't it'd be you'd be miserable if you
Speaker 2: couldn't do your the thing that makes you you, And
Speaker 2: in fact they're trying to beat it out of you.
Speaker 2: And so for what we're both married to actual artists.
Speaker 2: They're different types of artists. Your your wife creates like
Speaker 2: paintings and actual art, and my wife is what I
Speaker 2: consider a visual artist. She's a designer and a stylist
Speaker 2: and puts things together for people. But if those it
Speaker 2: that's the way their brains work, they see things, and
Speaker 2: it makes sense in a way that that's the only
Speaker 2: thing they should be doing. I shouldn't say can't do
Speaker 2: the only thing they should be Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well I'll give you a story. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I've ever told this story before. I may have told
Speaker 1: it to people at parties, but this is brain function.
Speaker 1: So my wife and I have been together seventeen years,
Speaker 1: and I would say the first ten nine or ten
Speaker 1: we were feisty. I mean when we dated, she broke
Speaker 1: up with me six times, so I mean a lot.
Speaker 1: She broke up with me all the time, and you know,
Speaker 1: part of it was just not understanding. She's just a
Speaker 1: different person. She was like and still I've never been
Speaker 1: with a woman like Anne on a million levels, and
Speaker 1: she's just an amazing person, and we have totally different
Speaker 1: brain functions. So I'll give you an example of this,
Speaker 1: which is something that I hope I haven't told you
Speaker 1: this story and you're surprised by it. So when I
Speaker 1: first moved to Los Angeles, there was a lot moving
Speaker 1: in my life. I was moving all these kids out west,
Speaker 1: my career was restarting. I had a lot of shit
Speaker 1: going on. So I went to a therapist in near
Speaker 1: where I now live, and I'd gone to him ten
Speaker 1: to twelve times, and I was getting to the point
Speaker 1: where I felt like I was I had come through.
Speaker 1: I kind of passed through my issues and my anxiety,
Speaker 1: and it usually takes me ten to twelve times, and
Speaker 1: so I'd go to the same office, and so it
Speaker 1: was I think the last or second to last meeting
Speaker 1: a therapy session. Says well, I was talking about you know,
Speaker 1: he didn't care what I did. But after about five
Speaker 1: or six of them, I was using a metaphor and
Speaker 1: analogy and he's like, did you where did that come from?
Speaker 1: That was interesting? And I said, oh, this is what
Speaker 1: I do for a living. He's like, oh, you were
Speaker 1: connecting things interestingly. So at the last meeting, he says, well,
Speaker 1: that is why you can't see the frog. I was
Speaker 1: like the frog. And he's like, this is the twelfth
Speaker 1: time you've been here and you've never noticed the frog.
Speaker 1: And I said, I have no idea what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: And he said, I want you to look at me
Speaker 1: and move your eyes two inches up. And so I
Speaker 1: went and there was a giant frog hanging from his
Speaker 1: light from South America. He later told me, he goes,
Speaker 1: you've never seen it. He goes, You're wife would literally
Speaker 1: have spotted it. It would have been our first conversation. She
Speaker 1: would notice my African art. He had art all over
Speaker 1: the walls, he goes, she would have noticed all of it,
Speaker 1: that's what. And he was talking about brain function, and
Speaker 1: I was like so humiliated. I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I apologize. He goes, no, no, he goes, just remember this,
Speaker 1: you and your wife have totally different brains. You picked
Speaker 1: a partner that is going to be the most challenging
Speaker 1: for you. And since that time, I walked out of
Speaker 1: that literally very emotional, I may have been crying. I'm like,
Speaker 1: why have I argued with this beautiful, smart woman for
Speaker 1: seven eight years? I can't tell you. I don't know
Speaker 1: if we've had a fight in eight years. That in
Speaker 1: that moment, I realized we have different brains. She's a
Speaker 1: complete creative sees things I could never see. I'm more
Speaker 1: of a stack her more of an organizer and a stacker.
Speaker 1: And it was, it was. It was one of those
Speaker 1: Oh my, I felt so much guilt. I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: punishing her and arguing her brain functions at a different way.
Speaker 2: So here's the So, here's the thing. Uh. I didn't
Speaker 2: realize until the punchline of the story that years ago.
Speaker 2: I don't think it was on a podcast. I think
Speaker 2: it was at your house, but it might have been
Speaker 2: on a podcast. But you have told me that once before.
Speaker 2: And the reason I the reason I realized that the
Speaker 2: punchline is because I was so struck by it that
Speaker 2: I went home and told Danielle because that is it
Speaker 2: is a very similar story there. And then the extra
Speaker 2: you said, you know, arguing and fighting whatever it is,
Speaker 2: and these are things all couples to different degrees, different
Speaker 2: levels go through. But the thing that I have to
Speaker 2: be constantly reminded of is there is a part, whether
Speaker 2: I acknowledge or ignore it or try to deny, it's there.
Speaker 2: That there's a part of me that is wired to
Speaker 2: argue because it's what I do, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like it's and that I might somewhere subconsciously want to
Speaker 2: and feel like I better fucking win, Like I'm not
Speaker 2: in the losing arguments business. Yeah, which can be incredibly
Speaker 2: tough on the people, you know what I mean, the
Speaker 2: people you care about the most, the people and recog
Speaker 2: like being able. But for me being able to like
Speaker 2: toggle that part of my brains is it takes conscious
Speaker 2: effort because it's just kind of it just I'm not
Speaker 2: as you know, like you said, our brains are different.
Speaker 2: I'm a stacker, but I am the I think I
Speaker 2: am more like of a combative personality. Like hey, they're
Speaker 2: like Wilds gave me a hard time this morning. He
Speaker 2: was like, you know, when you're the angriest on the air.
Speaker 2: He's like, it's not when you're wrong. He's like, it's
Speaker 2: when you're right. And I was like, what do you mean?
Speaker 2: He's like, he goes watch any of our YouTube clips
Speaker 2: from the days after the Mondays after the Chiefs got
Speaker 2: a big win versus they had a big loss. He's like,
Speaker 2: the Mondays after they lose, you're laughing, You're you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, You're taking it on the chin. The
Speaker 2: Mondays after they win, He's like, you are furrowed brow
Speaker 2: and angry, and and so we were kind of like
Speaker 2: talking through like why would that be and.
Speaker 1: Because let me guess, yeah, because you are so angry
Speaker 1: that people didn't see yes vision exactly right.
Speaker 2: I was so angry that I was like I had
Speaker 2: to defend this for five days and now it's all there,
Speaker 2: and now I'm gonna So I was, I was I
Speaker 2: and I went back yesterday. I went back and watched
Speaker 2: Monday's a block and I'm like, He's right, I look
Speaker 2: furious when I should be jubilant, but I'm indignant at
Speaker 2: the situation. And so that is I don't know if
Speaker 2: it's a malfunction, but it just is my brain. Now
Speaker 2: I have to tell one story about you and then
Speaker 2: we can move on past all this. This is not related,
Speaker 2: but this is funny. And I don't think I've told
Speaker 2: this on the air. In fact, I'm almost certain and
Speaker 2: I won't name names, but this is a good window
Speaker 2: into how you're just different. It's one of the reasons
Speaker 2: I love you. But you're different. And I don't even
Speaker 2: know if you know this story, even though you're the
Speaker 2: central figure of it. So seven years ago, seven and
Speaker 2: a half years ago, I'm four months into starting at
Speaker 2: FS one. I'm in la and I have now become
Speaker 2: your regular feeling. I've probably done four or five shows,
Speaker 2: and one day I'm on the main floor of our building,
Speaker 2: which has right when you get past security, that long
Speaker 2: corridor hallway where there's like four different ways you can go,
Speaker 2: but it's one long hallway, and at the end of
Speaker 2: the hallway by the lobby, you are standing. You are
Speaker 2: standing facing me, but you don't see me. I'm eighty
Speaker 2: feet away down at the end, and someone who I
Speaker 2: won't name, different on air person, their back is to me,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, Collin's there, I'm gonna say hi.
Speaker 2: So I'm walking and then I hear the person is
Speaker 2: talking to you about me, and they're not being negative,
Speaker 2: but they are clearly more than a little annoyed that
Speaker 2: they feel I have jumped them in the line to
Speaker 2: fill in for you and I'm like, oh no, but
Speaker 2: at this point, I have no where there's I have
Speaker 2: nowhere to go, and so I'm like, oh no. I'm like,
Speaker 2: all right, what am I gonna do? And then I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: if I go another twenty feet forward, I can duck
Speaker 2: into this office or this corridor to the right. And
Speaker 2: you are facing me. This guy's bad to me, and
Speaker 2: and he's like, you know what, and you you haven't
Speaker 2: seen me yet, and you then say something he responds,
Speaker 2: and then you and you're being nice, and then you
Speaker 2: see me and you say, oh, Nick's right here. We
Speaker 2: should ask him. And I'm like, sweet Jesus, and you
Speaker 2: turn to me and say, and this guy is now
Speaker 2: mortified because he knows I've been walking this here the
Speaker 2: whole time. Here's all of it. You're like, Nick, why
Speaker 2: is it you're filling in for me and not him?
Speaker 2: What in the world? I'm like, who does this? But
Speaker 2: you were like, oh, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Like I think it's probably because Nick might be better.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure you didn't say this, but you just
Speaker 2: were like, seems interesting. Let's find out the answer. And
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I'm like, oh god, I don't know,
Speaker 2: because I got no other job. I'm I'm sure, like
Speaker 2: I don't know. And that was that like unbelievable. But yeah, so.
Speaker 1: I'm so awkward socially that I didn't even consider how
Speaker 1: jarring emotionally that would be to you and the other person.
Speaker 2: I mean for both of us. I think both me
Speaker 2: and this guy looked at each other and we liked
Speaker 2: each other. And I don't think he was taking a
Speaker 2: shot at me. I think it was just kind of frustration,
Speaker 2: like whatever. I never I have no ill will towards
Speaker 2: this person, but I could not believe that you were
Speaker 2: just like, well, Nick's right here, let's ask him. I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, my god, so that's Colin Cowd God.
Speaker 1: So folks, Yeah, yes, that's why I have just a
Speaker 1: handful of friends.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I had my wed I had my sixtieth birthday party recently,
Speaker 1: and it was pretty small gathering my kids, My sister
Speaker 1: showed up. Hadn't seen her in eight years, so it
Speaker 1: was really kind of a small gathering. But it was
Speaker 1: funny because I did it. Didn't I had very few
Speaker 1: new friends. They were a lot of them, I mean,
Speaker 1: some of them were due, but I was kind of
Speaker 1: as I drove home, I said, I told you know,
Speaker 1: I told my wife and I said, you know, just
Speaker 1: such neat people, and we're so lucky that so many
Speaker 1: of them live around us, right like in this little area.
Speaker 1: And I said, you know, it's one of those I'm like,
Speaker 1: I just feel really lucky. I have many of the
Speaker 1: same friends. And as I said it, I thought to myself, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's they've learned to deal with me.
Speaker 2: That's why I know my barking garage is full.
Speaker 1: Nobody else is driving you looking for a spot. People
Speaker 1: are maybe had enough.
Speaker 2: Right, Oh, that's great, Okay, all right.
Speaker 1: Nick, this was fun an hour and one minute.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: I started on frogs from light no rest.
Speaker 2: No, actually we started about the way our brains work
Speaker 2: and how weird we are. But that's fine. I loved
Speaker 2: it as always, and and I'll talk to you, you know,
Speaker 2: probably the next time I'm talking to you. We can
Speaker 2: do hard for football because we're going to be previewing
Speaker 2: the Chiefs and the Super Bowl. Can't wait for it.
Speaker 2: Talk to you later.
Speaker 1: See somebody the volume