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Speaker 1: gonna get a little weird. To Part two of the

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Speaker 1: Colin Coward Podcast with my buddy Nick Wright. Kevin Durant

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Speaker 1: said something this week, and I don't think he was

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Speaker 1: There was a structural component. Kevin is more whimsical, he's

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Speaker 1: and that I didn't view him saying that, why am

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Speaker 1: I not on the goat discussion as narcissistic. It is

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Speaker 1: simply he is a whimsical personality. He's a bit of

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Speaker 1: a wander and to him, it's all about I can

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Speaker 2: So that's why he was such an interesting comment because,

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Speaker 2: but a mutual friend of ours who I think used

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, okay. And he said to me, he said,

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Speaker 2: we're picking, you know, for five on five. You know,

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Speaker 2: But that's also why that same But with all that said,

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Speaker 1: They drove Michael crazy. They wouldn't put the time and

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Speaker 2: No, that's that's right, and it is it is a

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Speaker 2: It's the same. It's like, well, okay, tell me, why

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Speaker 1: light from South America. He later told me, he goes,

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Speaker 1: you've never seen it. He goes, You're wife would literally

429
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Speaker 1: have spotted it. It would have been our first conversation. She

430
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 1: would notice my African art. He had art all over

431
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 1: the walls, he goes, she would have noticed all of it,

432
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: that's what. And he was talking about brain function, and

433
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 1: I was like so humiliated. I was like, oh my god,

434
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 1: I apologize. He goes, no, no, he goes, just remember this,

435
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 1: you and your wife have totally different brains. You picked

436
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 1: a partner that is going to be the most challenging

437
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: for you. And since that time, I walked out of

438
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: that literally very emotional, I may have been crying. I'm like,

439
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 1: why have I argued with this beautiful, smart woman for

440
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 1: seven eight years? I can't tell you. I don't know

441
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:51,239
Speaker 1: if we've had a fight in eight years. That in

442
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 1: that moment, I realized we have different brains. She's a

443
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:59,360
Speaker 1: complete creative sees things I could never see. I'm more

444
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 1: of a stack her more of an organizer and a stacker.

445
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: And it was, it was. It was one of those

446
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: Oh my, I felt so much guilt. I'm like, I'm

447
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 1: punishing her and arguing her brain functions at a different way.

448
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 2: So here's the So, here's the thing. Uh. I didn't

449
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 2: realize until the punchline of the story that years ago.

450
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 2: I don't think it was on a podcast. I think

451
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:24,919
Speaker 2: it was at your house, but it might have been

452
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 2: on a podcast. But you have told me that once before.

453
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 2: And the reason I the reason I realized that the

454
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 2: punchline is because I was so struck by it that

455
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 2: I went home and told Danielle because that is it

456
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 2: is a very similar story there. And then the extra

457
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 2: you said, you know, arguing and fighting whatever it is,

458
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 2: and these are things all couples to different degrees, different

459
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 2: levels go through. But the thing that I have to

460
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 2: be constantly reminded of is there is a part, whether

461
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 2: I acknowledge or ignore it or try to deny, it's there.

462
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 2: That there's a part of me that is wired to

463
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 2: argue because it's what I do, you know what I mean,

464
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 2: Like it's and that I might somewhere subconsciously want to

465
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 2: and feel like I better fucking win, Like I'm not

466
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 2: in the losing arguments business. Yeah, which can be incredibly

467
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 2: tough on the people, you know what I mean, the

468
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 2: people you care about the most, the people and recog

469
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 2: like being able. But for me being able to like

470
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 2: toggle that part of my brains is it takes conscious

471
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 2: effort because it's just kind of it just I'm not

472
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 2: as you know, like you said, our brains are different.

473
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 2: I'm a stacker, but I am the I think I

474
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 2: am more like of a combative personality. Like hey, they're

475
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 2: like Wilds gave me a hard time this morning. He

476
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 2: was like, you know, when you're the angriest on the air.

477
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 2: He's like, it's not when you're wrong. He's like, it's

478
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 2: when you're right. And I was like, what do you mean?

479
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 2: He's like, he goes watch any of our YouTube clips

480
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 2: from the days after the Mondays after the Chiefs got

481
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 2: a big win versus they had a big loss. He's like,

482
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 2: the Mondays after they lose, you're laughing, You're you know

483
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 2: what I mean, You're taking it on the chin. The

484
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 2: Mondays after they win, He's like, you are furrowed brow

485
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 2: and angry, and and so we were kind of like

486
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 2: talking through like why would that be and.

487
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 1: Because let me guess, yeah, because you are so angry

488
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: that people didn't see yes vision exactly right.

489
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 2: I was so angry that I was like I had

490
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 2: to defend this for five days and now it's all there,

491
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 2: and now I'm gonna So I was, I was I

492
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 2: and I went back yesterday. I went back and watched

493
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 2: Monday's a block and I'm like, He's right, I look

494
00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 2: furious when I should be jubilant, but I'm indignant at

495
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 2: the situation. And so that is I don't know if

496
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 2: it's a malfunction, but it just is my brain. Now

497
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,239
Speaker 2: I have to tell one story about you and then

498
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 2: we can move on past all this. This is not related,

499
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 2: but this is funny. And I don't think I've told

500
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 2: this on the air. In fact, I'm almost certain and

501
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 2: I won't name names, but this is a good window

502
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 2: into how you're just different. It's one of the reasons

503
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 2: I love you. But you're different. And I don't even

504
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 2: know if you know this story, even though you're the

505
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 2: central figure of it. So seven years ago, seven and

506
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 2: a half years ago, I'm four months into starting at

507
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 2: FS one. I'm in la and I have now become

508
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 2: your regular feeling. I've probably done four or five shows,

509
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 2: and one day I'm on the main floor of our building,

510
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 2: which has right when you get past security, that long

511
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 2: corridor hallway where there's like four different ways you can go,

512
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 2: but it's one long hallway, and at the end of

513
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:07,479
Speaker 2: the hallway by the lobby, you are standing. You are

514
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 2: standing facing me, but you don't see me. I'm eighty

515
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 2: feet away down at the end, and someone who I

516
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 2: won't name, different on air person, their back is to me,

517
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, Collin's there, I'm gonna say hi.

518
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:24,479
Speaker 2: So I'm walking and then I hear the person is

519
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 2: talking to you about me, and they're not being negative,

520
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 2: but they are clearly more than a little annoyed that

521
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 2: they feel I have jumped them in the line to

522
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 2: fill in for you and I'm like, oh no, but

523
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 2: at this point, I have no where there's I have

524
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 2: nowhere to go, and so I'm like, oh no. I'm like,

525
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 2: all right, what am I gonna do? And then I'm like, okay,

526
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 2: if I go another twenty feet forward, I can duck

527
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 2: into this office or this corridor to the right. And

528
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 2: you are facing me. This guy's bad to me, and

529
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 2: and he's like, you know what, and you you haven't

530
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 2: seen me yet, and you then say something he responds,

531
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 2: and then you and you're being nice, and then you

532
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 2: see me and you say, oh, Nick's right here. We

533
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 2: should ask him. And I'm like, sweet Jesus, and you

534
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 2: turn to me and say, and this guy is now

535
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 2: mortified because he knows I've been walking this here the

536
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 2: whole time. Here's all of it. You're like, Nick, why

537
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 2: is it you're filling in for me and not him?

538
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 2: What in the world? I'm like, who does this? But

539
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 2: you were like, oh, I don't know, I don't know.

540
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 2: Like I think it's probably because Nick might be better.

541
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 2: I'm not sure you didn't say this, but you just

542
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 2: were like, seems interesting. Let's find out the answer. And

543
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I'm like, oh god, I don't know,

544
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,959
Speaker 2: because I got no other job. I'm I'm sure, like

545
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:09,479
Speaker 2: I don't know. And that was that like unbelievable. But yeah, so.

546
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: I'm so awkward socially that I didn't even consider how

547
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,719
Speaker 1: jarring emotionally that would be to you and the other person.

548
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 2: I mean for both of us. I think both me

549
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 2: and this guy looked at each other and we liked

550
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 2: each other. And I don't think he was taking a

551
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 2: shot at me. I think it was just kind of frustration,

552
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 2: like whatever. I never I have no ill will towards

553
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 2: this person, but I could not believe that you were

554
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 2: just like, well, Nick's right here, let's ask him. I

555
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 2: was like, oh, my god, so that's Colin Cowd God.

556
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: So folks, Yeah, yes, that's why I have just a

557
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: handful of friends.

558
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 2: You know.

559
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: I had my wed I had my sixtieth birthday party recently,

560
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: and it was pretty small gathering my kids, My sister

561
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: showed up. Hadn't seen her in eight years, so it

562
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: was really kind of a small gathering. But it was

563
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: funny because I did it. Didn't I had very few

564
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: new friends. They were a lot of them, I mean,

565
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: some of them were due, but I was kind of

566
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: as I drove home, I said, I told you know,

567
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: I told my wife and I said, you know, just

568
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: such neat people, and we're so lucky that so many

569
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: of them live around us, right like in this little area.

570
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: And I said, you know, it's one of those I'm like,

571
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: I just feel really lucky. I have many of the

572
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: same friends. And as I said it, I thought to myself, Yeah,

573
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: that's they've learned to deal with me.

574
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 2: That's why I know my barking garage is full.

575
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: Nobody else is driving you looking for a spot. People

576
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: are maybe had enough.

577
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 2: Right, Oh, that's great, Okay, all right.

578
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: Nick, this was fun an hour and one minute.

579
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 2: I know.

580
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: I started on frogs from light no rest.

581
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 2: No, actually we started about the way our brains work

582
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 2: and how weird we are. But that's fine. I loved

583
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 2: it as always, and and I'll talk to you, you know,

584
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,479
Speaker 2: probably the next time I'm talking to you. We can

585
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 2: do hard for football because we're going to be previewing

586
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 2: the Chiefs and the Super Bowl. Can't wait for it.

587
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 2: Talk to you later.

588
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: See somebody the volume