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Speaker 1: All right to see Iron Reports Dario podcast. My name

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Speaker 1: is Michael rappaport A, K the Greno, Man, Dingo and Uh.

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Speaker 1: On today's podcast, I got the great Sam Cassell NBA

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Speaker 1: champion Houston Rockets, I mean, iconic legends NBA, so well respected.

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Speaker 1: Probably won't make it to the Hall of Fame, but

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Speaker 1: he has like hall of fame respect amongst his peers

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Speaker 1: and amongst his proteges. He's now a coach assistant coach

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Speaker 1: under Doctor the l A Clippers. Um and I've been

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Speaker 1: looking forward to talking this dude for a long time.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest, I didn't know much about Sam

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Speaker 1: Cassell until he lit my New York Knicks up in

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Speaker 1: the Houston Rockets versus the New York Knicks NBA Finals.

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Speaker 1: It was painful to watch. That was the series where

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Speaker 1: Um the O J. Simpson UH Chase, the White Bronco

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Speaker 1: Chase was taking place while the game was going on.

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Speaker 1: I believe in the Garden. Talked to Sam about that,

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Speaker 1: talked to him about the all time trash talkers, talked

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Speaker 1: him about the greatness of a chem A lajo One,

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Speaker 1: talked to him about mentoring John Wall. He mentors Uh

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Speaker 1: Austin Rivers, who was also on the Iron Rap Coors

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Speaker 1: Stereo podcast. David give It gave a dope interview um

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Speaker 1: and I mean talks about growing up in Baltimore. Just

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Speaker 1: this is an NBA extravaganza. UM five course meal. We

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Speaker 1: could have went on for hours. I literally could have

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Speaker 1: went on for hours talking to him. Um. So, Sam

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Speaker 1: Cazell is coming up on the Iron Rap Coors Stereo podcast.

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Speaker 1: we get to this Sam Cassell interview, which is oh,

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Speaker 1: a great sushi dinner at this interview with Sam Cassell

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Speaker 1: is dope. Trust me, when the great ship talkers to

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Speaker 1: ever play the game, and he wasn't a ship talking

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Speaker 1: playoffs are underway, the non consequential regular season m VP

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Speaker 1: votes are in, and as I said before, it's a joke.

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Speaker 1: Who cares. Russell Westbrook will be the regular season MVP.

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Speaker 1: His team will be eliminated. Unfortunately, this is not a

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Speaker 1: shot at you, Russell Westbrook. You killed it. He will

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Speaker 1: regular season m VP. Okay, I'd be in Bermuda or

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Speaker 1: some unknown island St. Croix or I don't know where

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Speaker 1: the hell you go if your Russell Westbrook in the

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Speaker 1: off season after average a triple double. But he deserves

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Speaker 1: to go wherever he wants. Con South of France, Spain.

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Speaker 1: The last place I want to be is coming back

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Speaker 1: eliminated in the first round. Unfortunately, that is what is

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Speaker 1: going to happen to the Oklahoma City Thunder and I'm

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Speaker 1: rooting for them, but that's just the way it's gonna

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Speaker 1: go down. Poor Isaiah Thomas for the Boston Celtics. UM

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Speaker 1: really feel bad for this kid. Um. Obviously he's a

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Speaker 1: I felt like it was exploitive. Every single channel, every

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Speaker 1: single Instagram page. Why are you showing him breaking down,

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Speaker 1: to get people to like it. Once you've seen it once,

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Speaker 1: And why are you retweeting that? And keep posting it.

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Speaker 1: What else is going on? Phil Jackson? You know I

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Speaker 1: got a message for you, man. Phil. I've said this once,

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Speaker 1: I said this twice, I've said this three times a funk.

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Speaker 1: Would you, Phil? Obviously that everybody else. I'm a fan,

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Speaker 1: greatest coach of all time, but what you did last

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Speaker 1: week was disgusting, despicable, and totally unprofessional at the season

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Speaker 1: ending press conference for the Knicks, Phil Jackson, who hasn't

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Speaker 1: conference and nothing in between. I really think that when

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Speaker 1: the Oakley situation happened, James Dolan should have forced him

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Speaker 1: the fans, talk to me, talk to my neighbor with

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Speaker 1: their barking, fucking dog. I got a neighbor in New

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Speaker 1: fifteen pound dogs. If that fucking thing doesn't shut up,

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Speaker 1: attacks everybody on the elevator. Um, but we all want

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Speaker 1: to hear from you, Phil Dolan. You should have fired

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Speaker 1: him right there on the spot. Go talk to the

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Speaker 1: fans about Oakley. Calm people down. No, you're fired, asshole,

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Speaker 1: not Carmelo hasn't lived up to your expectations, the fans

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Speaker 1: expectation that ship was so unprofessional, so uncalled for, so

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Speaker 1: disrespectful to air him out terrible. No one can stand

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Speaker 1: by it. Phil, you don't make yourself look better by

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Speaker 1: shipping and other people. Trust me. I know I shoot

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Speaker 1: make me look better. I might kick the truth. You

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Speaker 1: might have been kicking the truth impartial. But if you

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Speaker 1: want to trade Carmelo, bring him into your office a

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Speaker 1: man and man and talk to him about it, trying

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Speaker 1: to like shame him out of New York. If I'm

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Speaker 1: Carmelo Anthemy, I would tell Phil. I tell Phil Jackson,

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Speaker 1: a no trade clause. I ain't going anywhere. You got

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Speaker 1: Carmelo is not the answer to the Knicks winning, But

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Speaker 1: I would never shoot on him like that if I

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Speaker 1: Fisher is because they are puppets for Phil jack and

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Speaker 1: they're literally puppets. So of course these players are not

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Speaker 1: It's not gonna happen. Porzingis even said fuck that. You know,

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Speaker 1: at the end of the season, all the players have

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Speaker 1: a closeout meeting where they go meet, they talk to

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Speaker 1: the coach. Porzingi said, fuck that. Going back to Lativia,

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Speaker 1: I'm done. I don't need this ship now. If you

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Speaker 1: He left the country. Okay, because I've never been to Lativia,

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Speaker 1: I don't know much about Lativia, but I guarantee you

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Speaker 1: but I'd be willing to make a hefty bet that

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Speaker 1: I'm right. Um, but even Porzingis, who's now twenty one,

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Speaker 1: a joke. This is dysfunction at the highest professional level.

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Speaker 1: From the top of Madison Square Garden to the bottom

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Speaker 1: of the bowels of Madison Square Garden. The Knicks organization

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Speaker 1: that is affecting the league? I call it the skinny

425
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 1: gennification of the NBA. But do you think that's the

426
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 1: affecting the league? Do you think it hurts at that competitation?

427
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 1: Like when you see dudes hand hand clapping, doing playing

428
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 1: patty Cake before the game. They're not on the same team,

429
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 1: are you like or you just have to get used

430
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 1: to me, Like, Yo, it's a different time. It's a

431
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,640
Speaker 1: different time right now. I couldn't know. I couldn't get

432
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 1: used to that, but as as a player, but now

433
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:53,399
Speaker 1: I'm coaching. You know, you gotta jest, that's what it is.

434
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 1: These guys spent a lot of time, you know, with

435
00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 1: each other, doing the offseason and doing you know, night

436
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 1: before the game. You know that's what they do now.

437
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 1: So hey, you know it's not for me to judge that,

438
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,919
Speaker 1: but I don't think me personally, how can you have

439
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 1: a competitive edge against the guy that you gotta go

440
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 1: against the next night and you haven't dinner with them? Right,

441
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: never understood that. Like I had some great friends in

442
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 1: the NBA that I played against, like like nickback Exle was.

443
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 1: You know, we paid a goods to each other since

444
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,639
Speaker 1: junior college basketball, you know, but it was never the

445
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 1: night before the game we're hanging out, right, because I

446
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 1: knew that he wanted to kick my ass just so

447
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 1: much as I wanted to kick his ass. So we

448
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 1: can have bragging white Stone the summertime. You know, when

449
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 1: we're sitting around, you know, having dinner, you know, we're

450
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 1: talking about your boy. I killed you and then for

451
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 1: I killed you in that like you know, so that

452
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 1: was our on braack, my damn style of my guys

453
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 1: like that. We all lived in Houstons on the off season,

454
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 1: so it was like, man, you got up to pay

455
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 1: them guys. But the night before the game, you know,

456
00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: I didn't want to see him and he didn't want

457
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 1: to see me. He might call me in town, give

458
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: me a nice spot to go to dinner. You know

459
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,360
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I might shoot him a text then,

460
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 1: but he knew after the game or we find especially

461
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 1: if I want right because because so so you you

462
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: like you, you talked like you were a talker. You

463
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 1: talked trash. You never seemed like it was like personal

464
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: in terms of it was more basketball ball. I was

465
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 1: just talking. I just thought I never got personal, like

466
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 1: it was all basketball, all basketball. I remember Gary Peyton

467
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: and myself got together and we played there on the

468
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: same team in Milwaukee. Oh my god. It was tough.

469
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: We we we gave people the blues. We just we

470
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: just we talked so much trash to guys. Man, it

471
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 1: was crazy, but it was never personal. But it was

472
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 1: just basketball then, Like but you got what you got. Women,

473
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: your best, you know, and half the time people try

474
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: to give us their best, but you know we fought too.

475
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: Who were the lesser known trash talkers in the NBA,

476
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: like obviously you gp is is Hall of Fame, first

477
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: ballot player and trash talker? Um, who were the lesser

478
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 1: known like I was always surprised that to find out

479
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 1: Larry Bird was a big trashic liked and like later

480
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: on they were like he he wouldn't stop. So who

481
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 1: were the guys that you like? Yeah, he talked a lot,

482
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,640
Speaker 1: but he just you know, knowing no one, no one

483
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: really sort of noticed it. Cliff Cliff had a way

484
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,479
Speaker 1: of just making a shot man just pissing y'all. Sean Kimp,

485
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 1: Sean Kent was a big trash talk He talked. Sean

486
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 1: Kent was a big trash talk but that wasn't personally

487
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 1: just on the cook like you know, when you're good,

488
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 1: you can talk. How good was showing in his prime?

489
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: I mean he had a run where he was the dude.

490
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: It was awesome. Man like he he literally couldn't be stopped,

491
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: you know when he came to play, and he came

492
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,199
Speaker 1: to play quite often. He was a tough check. You

493
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 1: know he can. He was a guy six ten and

494
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: handled the ball and shoot the fifteenth for the job.

495
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: Shot can finish with the best and with Gary Peyton

496
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 1: on his team throwing him he's he's half court lobs man.

497
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 1: And he was a showman. He was definitely a showman

498
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: like like. And I enjoyed playing against him because he

499
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: he was a showman like. He enjoyed the game. He

500
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: was passionate about the game. You guys back, there was

501
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: so much passionate about the game. I just see guys,

502
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: you know, it gets so piste off at the loss

503
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: man where you didn't want he was friends with me,

504
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: friends of mine that I didn't want to speak to.

505
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 1: You have to be beat him because they was so

506
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 1: piste off that we beat him, you know what I'm saying.

507
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,959
Speaker 1: So I get him a couple of hours cool off

508
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: that I call him. You know, alright, Baltimore, d C.

509
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: That whole area. You're from b Moore, straight out of

510
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 1: be Are. How do you wind up from Baltimore to

511
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: junior college and then at Florida State You're not a

512
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: football player. What was the climate like for basketball on Baltimore?

513
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: You guys got a whole rod who who are the

514
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 1: best known Baltimore, d C, d M V as y'all

515
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: like to call it, Well, it's it's so many, young man,

516
00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: because it's it's so many, like you got the just

517
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: from the area now, like you got Kevin Duran, Yeah,

518
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,959
Speaker 1: Michael Bees, you got there's so many glow mellow, you know,

519
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 1: I can't forget him. He's but you had guys like Wolf,

520
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: like Reggie Williams, the late Reggie Loyerd's Muggsy Bogs. These

521
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 1: are all the guys that came with my high school David,

522
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 1: Wayne Gate, you know myself. Yeah, from d C, had

523
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: Walk Williams. It's so many. It's just so many guys,

524
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: Dennis Scott. It's it's so interesting, you know, like Adrian Dad.

525
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's just so many. Um, It's just

526
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: it's just so many guys that you say, he's from Virginia,

527
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: like Alan Libson, He's from Virginia, Like we had late

528
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: Lenny Bias, you know, and so you know that it's

529
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: a shame that people didn't get to see him play

530
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: man because me going up in bought watching and play

531
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: watching them play in the summer league. You know, you know,

532
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: like David Robinson. You know at the Naval Academy. You

533
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: know you were seeing all these saying, all these guys

534
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: in the summer league. Did you see you remember seeing

535
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: Lenny play? I mean coalition had you said the best

536
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: summer league all some leagues and in DC is called

537
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: the Urban Coalition, where we had to say in up there,

538
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: don't bring your name, bring your game. So you have

539
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: so many like street guys from DC and Barbin who

540
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: had mad game but no unfortunately May got arrested or whatever,

541
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: but still had games. And uh, one of the great

542
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: players from d C and the Bootney green Man, he

543
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: was awesome. I'm thinking of the Cheney State and Division

544
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: two guys. But he was six three six four, like

545
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: he can really really really who you know, so you

546
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: paid against him. You had to bring a game like

547
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: sear mcduglas. Yeah, till Man. He has so many guys, man,

548
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: you have so many guys that can actually play the

549
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: game in basketball at a high level man that it

550
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: was crazy. Sometimes in some ling you might have like

551
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: on one game, I had like ten pros out there

552
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: playing ball. So if you lived in Atlanta, you heard

553
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: about the Urban Coalition that you had to be a

554
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: part of so many games with Sarady and Sunday, so

555
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: it was it was phenomenal back then. What what was

556
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: I'm I think that Muggsy Bogues. Yeah, you know, he

557
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: should be giving ted talks. He should be giving motivational

558
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: talks if you're five ft three to play as long

559
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: as he did at the competitive level in the NBA,

560
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: that's like freaky And it wasn't like novelty. Muggsy was

561
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: like what what was he like? Seeing him playing these

562
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: in these pickup games, summer league and all that time,

563
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: Like it was awesome because the way he played in

564
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: the pros is the same way he played in summer league.

565
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: That you couldn't grow the ball up the court against

566
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 1: him because he was so he was he was so

567
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: impactful defensively that you really couldn't do the things that

568
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: you when you couldn't, you know, show him up on

569
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: the basketball because because he's still the ball from you

570
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: and show you. You know, he was a pro for

571
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: a reason. Man, he was the a CC Defensive Player

572
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: of the Year for a reason. He was the dominant player.

573
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: He was second team All American as a senior. That

574
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: waked for us for a reason. You know, He played

575
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: seventeen years in the NBA for a reason, because he

576
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: knew how to play the punk opposition. He knew how

577
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: to get his teammates involved. He knew how to be

578
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: impactful at five ft three. And he looked at Charlotte

579
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: tenncy Ham when he had Grandmama Lara Johnson and Zoe

580
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: and Kendall Gill and Johnny Newman and Dale carry what

581
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: he missed the first person got the ball to his

582
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: mugs right to push the ball to the court to

583
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: get these guys shots. And he was that dominant. He

584
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: was that dominant at five ft three. Trust me, you

585
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: know some of the great ball handlers, Isaiah Thomas, Gavin Johnson,

586
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: they why even driven ball up the court against him?

587
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: Just give I mean my senior Isaiah player him. He

588
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: just get the ball to Joe d Mark. He didn't

589
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: want it. He didn't like why it's too much of

590
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: too much I have so now half court now Isaac

591
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: can do what he had to do, but full court

592
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: to Joe, the ball upgainst mugsy boats. You know, Man

593
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: Doc always talked about it, how difficult it was just

594
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: dripping the ball up against him. It was tough for

595
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: everybody to bring the ball up against him everybody. So

596
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: how did you wind up at junior college? Why didn't

597
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: you wind up go into a big school? Like? What

598
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: was your path to Florida State and inevitably to junior college.

599
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: I went to Santor Center, and uh, I didn't academically qualified.

600
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: I signed with De Paul come out of high school.

601
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: And I think me going to junior college at Santa

602
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: Cento Community College and Passadeen of Texas was awesome for me.

603
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: It gave me a chance to leave home, leave Baltimore.

604
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: UM gave me a chance to grow up to be

605
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: a young man. UM. It helped me all a lot.

606
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: So when I came home after my profreshman year, I

607
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: knew that I could play at a high level. I

608
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: just got to get through this next year. Uh, you know,

609
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: junior college basketball. I got through a kind of playing

610
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: the year junior college basketball. It's a sophomore went on

611
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: the Florida State, UM know as a football school, like

612
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: you said, football powerhouse, you know in the early in

613
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: the early nineties. UM. And once I got to Florida State,

614
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: I knew that we had a lot of a lot

615
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: of talent. And you think about that team I had.

616
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: We had four guys get drafted off that team and

617
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: was on the team. Bobby sir, we had a guy

618
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: named Bug Awards got drafted I think twelve by Atlanta Hawks.

619
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: We had, like I said, Bobby said, we had the

620
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: All American football player and Charlie Wroyd who got drafted

621
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: by the Knicks. You know, so we had four guys

622
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: off of basketball football university that got drafted in two

623
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: years I was there. So the football was great and

624
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: I went. I chose Florida State because of the football team.

625
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: I love Florida State football and so I said, I

626
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: could see a game every every Saturday. So that was school.

627
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: But once I got there on campus and seeing how

628
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: how Tallahassee was, and um, I enjoyed my two years there.

629
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: My jerseys tied and the Rafters day only two years,

630
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: but I had a great time going to Florida State

631
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: taught me how to become a man. How they taught

632
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 1: me how to become a young man, Squirreld. So I had,

633
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 1: you know, all the people at Florid State that helped

634
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: me to become that. You know, to this day, I

635
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: thank y'all. When did you know you were ready to

636
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Speaker 1: play NBA basketball. I'll tell you, Bob. During all the

637
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: an times I watched, I watched the game was Duke

638
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: against Georgia Tech when Kenny and came out and gave

639
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: Bobby Hurley that move between the back behind the legs

640
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: that to this day everybody talked about. I played against

641
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: both of these guys in high school, and I did

642
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: well against both of these guys. Now I see these

643
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: guys on national television and Dick l just popping them out,

644
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: you know, think about going crazy, old baby, did you

645
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: see that? And I say, man, I can do that

646
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: against these guys. I compete against these guys at a

647
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,919
Speaker 1: high level and did well against these guys. So once

648
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: I saw that, you know, and I just knew that

649
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 1: if I take kids this stuff academically, I just get

650
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: an opportunity and take advantage of it. Who were the

651
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: other dudes that were coming up at that time? Kenny

652
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: Anderson in New York, Sam was I mean, he was,

653
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: he was god, and he was deserving. He was good.

654
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: He was Chips, Chips was real good. Chips was really good.

655
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: But during that time, I knew, I could, you know,

656
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: the thing I could do against all these guys, I

657
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: canna score. I guess all these guys who were the

658
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: other dudes from that time, man like like Chris Jackson,

659
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,919
Speaker 1: you know tell Green, I was in the the Tellio Green.

660
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 1: They had a whole It was a whole bunch of

661
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: guys that came out then that was it was like

662
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: Greg Graham, Rex Walters. So these guys was pretty good.

663
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 1: You know, college ball playsh you know yet um James Hollywood, Robinson, Alabama,

664
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: Nick Van next to all the Cincinnati had a lot

665
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 1: of these guys. Was was was pretty good. And man,

666
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: Nick always talk about it because we was dreaming. College

667
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: guys always talked about it. Man. Once we get an

668
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: opportunity to get on that national stage, man, you know,

669
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: you gotta do well. And I just I was telling

670
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: you gotta do well. So my first year at Florida State,

671
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: we moved into the a SEC Conference. The first state

672
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: was in the Metro Conference and me being from Baltimore

673
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: a SEC country, so I was like, oh, this is

674
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: ideal for me. This is where I have to go

675
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: at so I can play against the Duke to North

676
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 1: Carolina and the Maryland's Breakfast and c State Clempson, all

677
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: these great Atlantic Coast Conference schools. Man, Once I made

678
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: that decision to go with the Florida State UM and

679
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 1: we moved into the SEC Conference, it was over. What

680
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: was it like? You know, you talk about, you know

681
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: you hear about and I've seen it from my whole

682
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 1: life watching basketball, playing in Duke with them fans out

683
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 1: there outrageous us Is that the craziest place to play basketball?

684
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: You've ever played college and and pro craziest place because

685
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: it's so small. I've never even been in there. It's

686
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 1: too small. It's like it's like a high school Jim,

687
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: a nice high school Jim, and the fans. The student

688
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: body is unbelievable. I mean they have that six man

689
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: is their student body because they they can touch you.

690
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: Cameron crazy, they're calling the Cameron crazies. But it's all

691
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: it's all all the fun that as a as a

692
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: college student athlete. Man, it's all the fun. Man, it

693
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: was all fun. But they got into it, They really

694
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: got into it. They They had a good ten Christal Latna,

695
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: who I think was one of the most outrageous great

696
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 1: college basketball players man that I saw. You know, he was,

697
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: he was that good. He could shoot the three, he

698
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: can post you up. He made every damn free though,

699
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: he got every big rebound, and he was white and

700
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: he would and he was tough, you know what I'm saying.

701
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: So so the observation there's no tough white guys. That's boy,

702
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 1: you know, because Kristen Latna was one. This whole thing.

703
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: You know, you're talking about college and you know your

704
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: career in college, and you name all these college players

705
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: and later they're probably being one of the best, most

706
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: prolific college players. Now, so many of these dudes are

707
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 1: in such a rush, and as they should. You know,

708
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: it's a dream come true to come into the NBA.

709
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: When you see these these one and done players coming

710
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: to the NBA, who are projects, who are ringing the prayers.

711
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: They're good in college, they're they're they're male nourished, they

712
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: need to be eating in and out burgers. Their their

713
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 1: games aren't ready to play in the NBA. And now

714
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,720
Speaker 1: you're a coach, are you worried about that? Like, because

715
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: because when you you you see these kids coming in,

716
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: like the kid Ingram good player, he not gonna be

717
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: you don't really know what he's gonna be. So three

718
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: years do you think these kids should stay like, what

719
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 1: is your mentality on it now? After being a player

720
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: for so long and now a coach, and like, you know,

721
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 1: you have a saying all this kid's good from this school,

722
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: This kids that good and that school. Like these one

723
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: and done players, what is your opinion on it? I

724
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: think you know you got the right then who live

725
00:38:58,320 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: in the market. You know what I'm saying. You got

726
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: the to do whatever you want to do. But you know,

727
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 1: it's more failure stories than more success stories these guys

728
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: coming out wanting done. Because when you come out and

729
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 1: want it done, it's the mental aspect of it. And

730
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: you gotta have some physical aspect of it. It's but

731
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: the mental part of it. And I remember John Wall

732
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: who's number one pick, and I had him and watching

733
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: them and I was just coaching to Washington and he

734
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: was so good, just doing one thing, just running past everybody.

735
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: And I told him, like in December, I let him

736
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 1: do it. The first month of the season, I say, hey, man, listen, head,

737
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: you're gonna kill yourself. You know you're playing thirty nine

738
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: minutes and now you can't be the fastest guy on

739
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 1: the court for thirty nine minutes. He didn't understand that

740
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 1: his rookie yead, what did you mean by that? I

741
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 1: meant that slow down, pick and choose when you use this.

742
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: For two fourth speed, you had, you know, pick and

743
00:39:55,239 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: choose when you use it. And once he realized that, Yeah,

744
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: and the game slowed down for him after this second

745
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,399
Speaker 1: year and we got him some better players to play

746
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: with him. I told him say, hey, man, Scotts a

747
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,479
Speaker 1: limit for you. I said, I said, the scots limit

748
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 1: for now. He's slowing down. Now he sees the game

749
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: as a point guard, not as a road runner. He's

750
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,760
Speaker 1: he's he pick and chooses when he used to speed.

751
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: And you know he's gonna be an all star until

752
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,439
Speaker 1: see the gud Tiler band I started. You know, he's

753
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: that good. He's that good. But at first it was

754
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: just justment prayer. You know, you gotta let a guy

755
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 1: who was the play to you in college basketball and

756
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: coming to with all these athletes, you gotta let him

757
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: test his own waters out first, you know, y'all let

758
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 1: him see that what he was doing in college and

759
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 1: he did all his life, it's not working. It's not working.

760
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: And I just feat there as a coach. I'm a

761
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: former player, and I just watched himself. Okay, you can't

762
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: just say no, you gotta do it this way. His

763
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: first day I camp, you gotta do it this way.

764
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 1: You got let him to see the do it his way.

765
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: Then when his way is not working, then you willing

766
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,879
Speaker 1: mano there For the whole year, everybody kept saying, ain't

767
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 1: better with Sam teaching him? Over there, with Sam teaching him,

768
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 1: you know, he was that good to get to the

769
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: be the NUM want to pick. You don't beat the

770
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: num wanna pick by mistake. You know, you don't be

771
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: that by mistake. So when people kept saying, well with

772
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: Sam doing told him, he said, he ain't teaching Not Sam,

773
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 1: he teaches nothing, you know, like because I let him

774
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,439
Speaker 1: take his own course right that when it was time

775
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: for him to say, man, all right, I'm ready, it

776
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: was easy. It was so easy to teach him the game.

777
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: It was so easy. It was so easy to teach

778
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: him the game after that, because he knew that what

779
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: he was doing I wasn't working. Right, he's still like

780
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: seventeen points, he still with right. You know that he

781
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: did that on his his own, right, you know, but

782
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: I said, you be a prime time point guard and

783
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: prime time All Star, which I knew he wanted to

784
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: be I said, you gotta slow down and we gotta

785
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 1: do it my way. And he gave himself to me.

786
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: He gave himself to me. Okay, that's the way he

787
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 1: has his own personal shooting coach. And I understand that terminology,

788
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: you know, you know, but what do you think about

789
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: these guys like you when you got you played ball.

790
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: You talk about Baltimore summerly, y'all played ball. I mean

791
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 1: whatever you did on your own. You're shooting drill. I

792
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 1: don't know what. Like the the whole atmosphere training of

793
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 1: the NBA has changed since you've been a participant into

794
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: now and guys have shooting coach couples and they come

795
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: in they're getting um acupuncture and you know, all this

796
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: stuff and it's all great, Like do you think it's necessary?

797
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 1: Do you think it's over the top. It was a

798
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: little bit of both our guys getting two out of

799
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: hand or like you know, like the drills and the

800
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 1: running through hoops and all that stuff, like and you

801
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: guys just were playing ball, like I hear Dominique said,

802
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: he said, Yo, we we worked out in the summer.

803
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: We just played. I saw I think to be to

804
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:57,240
Speaker 1: get better. You can. I never had a personal trainer

805
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 1: or driven a coach or shooting coach like I just played.

806
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: I played against the best ball players that I could

807
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: possibly find, and play against the damn style of z

808
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: Tim Hardaways. You know when when you went to Chicago

809
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: playing and some ofy in Chicago's I heard somebody in

810
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: Chicago it is good, you know, And I went out

811
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: there and play a couple of games, you know, so

812
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: you can out there. Yeah, it's amazing. You know what

813
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: I'm saying, just a with no structure, just gonna play.

814
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 1: You know what was he like playing guarding him? And

815
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: he's a major problem. He was a problem. He was

816
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: a problem that he was a major, major problem because

817
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: the thing that guy could do he could shoot them

818
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: deep and he set you up. He can make lay ups.

819
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: And he was tough. He was sick for tall, He

820
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: was tough, and he was the bowling ball. He was

821
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: the bowling ball that you had to really like go

822
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: back at him to gain his respect. You know what

823
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: I'm saying. If you just come down to pass the

824
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: ball and go through to the corner way and he's

825
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: attacking you back, then you could just couldn't wait because

826
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 1: guys was attacking me. You know, you can have check,

827
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: you can game is more physical back then what it

828
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 1: is today. You know, it wasn't such think about flagrant

829
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 1: flagrant foul, fagran foul costs for ambulanche driver, the company

830
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 1: and the ambulance on the court and blood had to

831
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 1: be spatted all over the place before they did your

832
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: flagrant foul. So do you do you like talk about

833
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: forgetting forget even the flagrant stuff because you know, I'm

834
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: a I'm a Knicks fan and on my nineties Knicks

835
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: defined flagrant fouls. But but in terms of the hand checking,

836
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: how much of an advantage was that to a defensive

837
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: player and how much of it being taken away? Does

838
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: it allow guys to flourish? And you know, like last

839
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: year and I love step I fucking love step But

840
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 1: last year after he won unanimous on m v P

841
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: and then you know he had the injury and that

842
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: he wasn't his Steph curish into the plus, people are

843
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: saying he wouldn't have done this back then, and they're

844
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: comparing what is your take on that? First? Well, so

845
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: it's a two part question. The actual hand check, the

846
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: defensive rules that have been taken away or the offensive

847
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 1: rules that have been given and and like this sort

848
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: of softening in this generational He wouldn't been able to

849
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: do this. He wouldn't have been all able to do that.

850
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: So so break that down, you know what you think

851
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:10,720
Speaker 1: about that? I think Steph had been a good playing

852
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: back then. Um him getting thirty five forty points, I

853
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: don't think so, because it was a hassle just to

854
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: bring the ball up the court. Man, it was because

855
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: of the hand checked. It was a hassle, like you

856
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: had to really be tough to get that ball off

857
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: the court because guys used to put their hands on you.

858
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: And then in the playoffs you usually needed for me

859
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 1: because they wouldn't calling they wouldn't call him damn thing,

860
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: you know, So it was just model to model. You know.

861
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: It was just like it was a battle every night.

862
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: But I think Steph is like like guys like like Steph.

863
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 1: And you know, Russell with rustle has been great during

864
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: the r because he russelled, just gnashed out. He's an

865
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: attack right, you know that's gonna train. It's likely been

866
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: good because steps got a great skill that he can

867
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 1: shoot the basketball off the dribble. You know he had

868
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:12,240
Speaker 1: been cool. Um, Chris has been good in our league

869
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 1: back then. But you know they're getting the twenty points

870
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: and twenty assists because it was tough enough. It was

871
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: more of an inside outside game and it was more

872
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: a physical game. And would you say it really actually

873
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: was more physical. You could get away with more, You

874
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: could do more. You could be more aggressive with the

875
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: hand checking and the pushing in the forearms and the

876
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: and the you know all that's right. When you had

877
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: guards attacked the rim as these guards today games attacked them.

878
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: It has been guys on that on that, but a

879
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: lot of guys on that, but a lot of busting

880
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 1: thoses because you know, we had a chuck with what

881
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 1: you can when you went through the lane and it'd

882
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:53,760
Speaker 1: be four or five guys touched you with the forearm

883
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 1: hitting you. You know, so that was kind of that

884
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: was kind of drastic right there, just being a part

885
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: of that aspect of the game. Um, Michael Cage hit

886
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: me so hard at one time, and I was saying

887
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: stars and birds and anythank else and on you everything,

888
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 1: and Brandon Maxwell, I was stunning and I'm on the

889
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: floor and brinon Maxwell grabbing his head. Do not let

890
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: them know they hurt you. And I had two free thoughs.

891
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 1: I got up to the freedom line and my head

892
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,879
Speaker 1: spinning and no way I'm making this first free throw.

893
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: No way I'm making this first free throw. I went

894
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,720
Speaker 1: up there and I was a real good free those shoot.

895
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: I went up there and I looked at the rim

896
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: and rom like it was shaking, shaking. I got hit

897
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 1: that hard. Michael Cage was cool. He was going, he

898
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: was going, and it wasn't no, it was no hopping

899
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: me up. It was none of that. It was looked

900
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: though top me like, oh, he's done for the day. Yeah, exactly,

901
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: He's done for the day. Like it was that. You know,

902
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: think about back in the day, your fifth team man

903
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 1: was most likely gonna be one of your enforces. He

904
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: gives a guy came in the game and to do

905
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 1: some punishment, not good punishment, some some really bad punishment.

906
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: And every team had that guy. At the Knicks, y'all

907
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: had Anty Bonna. Guy came in, will run through a

908
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 1: brick wall, just just to run. And that's what was

909
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 1: one of the NBA Finals is one of them for

910
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 1: seven games. And I've never seen two teams go at

911
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: each other because you had the number one defensive team

912
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: and then with the Knicks and the number two defensive

913
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: team with the Rockets, and you had two of the

914
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 1: best sentence with Patrick and the King. We had Oversthorpe.

915
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: Y'all had Charles Oakley had you know, y'all had uh

916
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,800
Speaker 1: the Knicks head Afton Mason, who was one of my

917
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,399
Speaker 1: all time favorite teammates, and the rest in Peace brother.

918
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: And we had Herrara. You know, I had Bonna, we

919
00:48:56,239 --> 00:49:00,320
Speaker 1: had Robert Doyle had Stocks, we had Maxwell. So it

920
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: was a battle. It was that not in the game

921
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: came on back then now Eastern time and leaving the

922
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 1: guarden after game like like one o'clock, one thirty in

923
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: the morning because guys just exhausted after game, you know

924
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 1: this with ice on their knees, ice on their back.

925
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: That's how physical that serious was. Man. It wasn't. It

926
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 1: wasn't a couple of kad Gospels banging bodies. Um, it

927
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: was tough. We want to game seven in Houston. It was.

928
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: It was like, I'm glad it's old because I can't

929
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 1: take no more dealing with these guys. Man, Because there

930
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: was a real physical team. Ain't had and DC Rbs

931
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 1: was a physical guard and he was hurt, right, he

932
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 1: was hurt. So you know that Greg Anthony, you know

933
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 1: Dark Harper was the keep of the hand check. So

934
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: it was like I tell, I just tell some of

935
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,879
Speaker 1: these guys and said it was difficult. You know, well,

936
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: I think it's one of the all time greatest Dallas

937
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: Mavericks in history. I don't know why his jersey is

938
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: not retired in Dallars because he was a beast. You

939
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: just made me feel really good about that. That acknowledge

940
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: run of that team because you know that, man, there's

941
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 1: I could talk to you for hours, Sam, that that

942
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: team meant physical, dominating team man like when they had

943
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: dominating and impactful coach and pat Riley who was just

944
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 1: like like like it was a dog like they trapped

945
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 1: every pick and roll no matter. It was like you

946
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:25,280
Speaker 1: played a Knicks back there. He's like, damn gods, They're like, damn,

947
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 1: just get it is over. Let's get over. That's how

948
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: physical these guys was. I love, making me fucking crazy,

949
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: just the truth like like it was it was anybody

950
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,399
Speaker 1: picks and expect that they say that, well you gotta

951
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 1: get ready for a dog because they are ready to fight. Man,

952
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 1: you got my heart racing with that, you know, one

953
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: of the most I wasn't even gonna ask you about this,

954
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,280
Speaker 1: but I just was thinking one of the most iconic

955
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 1: things in Americana, and I just want your take on

956
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 1: it as a player. There's two things I wanna make

957
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 1: sure I ask. I'm saying a mental no. I want

958
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 1: to ask you about because you brought up Oakley and

959
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: you guys were at the l Clippers, were there when

960
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: that happened. But I want to stay in in in

961
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 1: the in the Knicks Houston series, when did you find

962
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 1: you're on the court, you guys are playing during the

963
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: O J Chase? Like, what are your remembering to that?

964
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: Because you guys have no idea what's going on? When

965
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: were you were aware that was going down? You're you're

966
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: remind people it was the ninety three finals, Houston and

967
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 1: the Knicks and the famous O J. White Bronco Chase's happening.

968
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: The Knicks and the Houston Rockets and Sam Cassell are

969
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: playing a championship basketball game. What is your memory of

970
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 1: just that part of it and finding out about it,

971
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 1: and then in Hindstein being like, what the fund is

972
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: going on here. Well, it was time out and they

973
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: had the little at the table score table, the little

974
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,399
Speaker 1: monitor TV. They Kenney Smith I was in the game.

975
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 1: I'm walking towards the bench and Kenney Smith said, Man,

976
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: they chasing o J. I've sunk. Are you talking about

977
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:54,800
Speaker 1: chasing o J. He's like, no, they chasing o J.

978
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 1: The whole l A p D Is chasing o J.

979
00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 1: And he just got it from the monitors, from the monitor.

980
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 1: And at the time I still didn't understand. We was

981
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 1: talking about like wind about trying to keep duck harp

982
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 1: off my but you know what I'm saying, like I

983
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: gotta keep duck harp off me, you know. I sat

984
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: down and he was like, no, they are really chasing

985
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 1: oh Ja Simpson. All the police in the l A

986
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: are chasing over J. And I was like, still didn't

987
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 1: realize what he was talking, Like, okay, whatever, they chased

988
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: No Ja, get somebody chase dark harp off me. You

989
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, that's what it's like chasing. There

990
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: was Game four and then Bay Finals. We won game

991
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: we won Game three, so we have two to one

992
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: and and after the game and that was the big thing,

993
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: you know, and you guys found out about afterwards and

994
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:42,479
Speaker 1: you're you're you're you're because we lost. So we lost,

995
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 1: so we're good. Now we got game Force tied up

996
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: to the two games or two in New York. So

997
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 1: I was like, now I on the heard that I

998
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 1: ain't got no time for o J. Right now, I'm

999
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 1: trying to win an NBA championship. And got home to

1000
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,320
Speaker 1: got home at the hotel and it was on everywhere,

1001
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,839
Speaker 1: and they Sports Center wasn't like it was today when

1002
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 1: it came on over and over and over again and

1003
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 1: came on like at nine o'clock, and then it came

1004
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: on at nine and came up at ten o'clock. You know,

1005
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: it was off at level. It was off. That was

1006
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: it was it. You know what I'm saying. It ain't

1007
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 1: twenty four hours a day. You know, ree runs Now,

1008
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 1: I wasn't like that, But no, I got something. I

1009
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: guess that goes down in my championship moment. You know,

1010
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: they chased o J crazy. You're you're from from from

1011
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: you know, Maryland, d C. Area, and I know, you know,

1012
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 1: obviously he was a competitive yours. I obviously was was

1013
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 1: happy about it. Patrick. You finally it seemed like Patrick,

1014
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: you who wanted to coach for so long and do

1015
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 1: a great job. Man, he's gonna do a great job

1016
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: because a lot of people think they's not gonna do

1017
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 1: a good well. Why did they think that? Because he

1018
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: wasn't a great communicator as a player. Some great ones wasn't.

1019
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:49,320
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You know he was he

1020
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: led by example, you know, so he understands. He'd been

1021
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 1: in his coaching attorney for a long long time. You know,

1022
00:53:56,120 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: there's no egos more than the NBA player egos. So

1023
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: I heard people say, well, HI can go into a

1024
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: guard house, a small guy house and get him to

1025
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 1: come and play from easy, because I think if the

1026
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 1: guard wants to be in the NBA, who better to

1027
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 1: hear it from than a guy who's been an NBA

1028
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: for I'm with thirty five, you know, so it's been

1029
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: easy as justment storm. You know, he understand coaching. You know,

1030
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: he'd been through the ups and down. He'd been the

1031
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: villain every way he played that he played in college basketball,

1032
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: the old the Georgetown teams back in the day where

1033
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a big Georgetown fan and to this

1034
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 1: day I get mad at Big John who's my man.

1035
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 1: He didn't recruit me because he said he didn't want

1036
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: the whole East bottom all down down to d C

1037
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: at it on his campus. You know. But he's gonna

1038
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:51,439
Speaker 1: bring that. Patrick Jr's gonna bring everything that these great

1039
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: college coach is gonna bring. He's gonna he's gonna do it.

1040
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,359
Speaker 1: You know, if I can help him do anything, talk

1041
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 1: to a kid to come to Georgetown, want to be

1042
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: half of him? Man, I'm willing to do it because

1043
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 1: I know he's gonna do well. He's gonna do well. Man,

1044
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,959
Speaker 1: he's gonna do well. Like I said, I think every

1045
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 1: former player in the NBA that had a running that

1046
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 1: knows Pat. If Pat will called them for a kid

1047
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 1: that they know, they will make the call because that's

1048
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: how great a guy was. You know what I'm saying.

1049
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 1: I never got the opportunity to play with him. You know,

1050
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 1: played against him and the sum of these played with

1051
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: him in the summertime, you know, ramped down the court

1052
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 1: on the same team at Georgetown. But he's a great guy. Man,

1053
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 1: He's gonna do tremendous things Georgetown. He can bring Georgetown

1054
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: basketball back to the get them tough ball plans. You

1055
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: know the Prime Dollars and the Reggie Waves and David

1056
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 1: Waying Gates that you're Ron Ways. You know, he's gonna

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00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 1: bring the Alan Libinson kind of guy. He's gonna go

1058
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 1: get that kind of guy that Michael Graham. Yeah, he's

1059
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 1: gonna go get that kind of guy. He's gonna get that.

1060
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, he's gonna do well. Man. He knows

1061
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 1: what he need. He knows kind of guys that they need.

1062
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: I think John Thompson, I think who was a great coach,

1063
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, but just had a different

1064
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 1: view of plans that he wanted for his system. You know,

1065
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 1: you know, but I think Pat can go back to

1066
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,359
Speaker 1: the big John systems. Like I'm gonna get the tough guy,

1067
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 1: no doubt. But it's a beautiful guy. You don't have

1068
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 1: a fight. You can't play for me. You never had

1069
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: a fifth fight. What I'm saying. He was a bunch

1070
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 1: of ugly, mean, mean mean guys who can hoop that

1071
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 1: can hoop man that you know, Georgetown people understand, you

1072
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:33,240
Speaker 1: know me being from Baltimore, Georgetown is a major major brand.

1073
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 1: You know, Joycetown that that means something. You know what

1074
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 1: I'm saying, you know, I wanted to attend Georgetown, but

1075
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 1: Big John said, no, you you can't go because I

1076
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 1: grew up kind of you know, no, funked up a

1077
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 1: little bit, you know what I'm saying. But man from

1078
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:51,839
Speaker 1: East Bottomore, seeing a lot of things. You grew up

1079
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 1: with a lot of around, a lot of people who

1080
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 1: doing different things that I was doing. What I'm saying,

1081
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 1: but hey, I'm not here to knock them, but it's

1082
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: something that I want to try something different growing up

1083
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: in Baltimorrow. You know, I can always come back to Baltimorrow.

1084
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,280
Speaker 1: I just want to do something different, give myself opportunity

1085
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 1: to be successful in life. That's dope, samtha Um you guys,

1086
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: I talked to Doc about this, to talk to Austin

1087
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: about this. Oakley I mean, for me as a Knicks fan,

1088
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 1: I mean that that that thing when I think about

1089
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 1: it sometimes like I don't want to overdramatize it. That

1090
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 1: ship like almost had me crying. Like the results of

1091
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 1: the Oakley situation. Obviously he was in the wrong at

1092
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: some point and the Garden was in the wrong, and

1093
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: the whole thing was everybody fucked up. But you don't

1094
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 1: do you don't do the for your team, like like nah,

1095
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: like man, people love Charles Oakley is he's from Cleveland,

1096
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 1: but he's a New Yorker. But if you didn't know

1097
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 1: Charles Oakley was from Cleveland, you think he's from New York.

1098
00:57:56,080 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: How you play the game? Tough, fuget, enforcer, you know,

1099
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: down for the crown, everything that deals with toughness. You know,

1100
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: dr vers always have a saying, yeah, I don't want

1101
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 1: to get it wrong. He said, don't act tough, be tough.

1102
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 1: I understand that. Don't act to be tough. And that

1103
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 1: was Oakley. He never had to act tough. He is.

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00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 1: He is tough, and I paid against him a lot

1105
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 1: of years and I'm a he's a good friend of mine.

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00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, good friend of mine because

1107
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 1: as a rookie, hit me a couple of times and

1108
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: I jumped up at him. He was like, bo, I

1109
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 1: like you you got hard, but I don't know what

1110
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 1: do that again? That was that was open. So to

1111
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 1: this day, when I see oh, I acknowledge him. When

1112
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 1: he see me, he acknowledged me. And if I come

1113
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 1: to Cleveland and he's in Cleveland, I don't call him.

1114
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: It's a problem with Charles Oakley when when you saw

1115
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 1: that going down, like, what was your what what did

1116
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 1: you see first? How did you realize it was? Okenly like,

1117
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: were you like it is just a dream? Like what's happening?

1118
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 1: I didn't really said to afterwards, and they said we

1119
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 1: played them that night and they drug him out, and

1120
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 1: I was like, who is that? Somebody say openly, I say, well,

1121
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 1: I know as I couldn't sick on the farther end,

1122
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 1: so I said, I know, it's like twenty I'm grabbing

1123
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 1: him because one of two ain't gonna grab him all that.

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00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 1: You know, you can't hear kind of guy like, it's

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00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 1: two guys. I know you can't stop Jason Williams, my

1126
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 1: old teammate from New Jersey Nets and Charles Oakley too

1127
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 1: strong and strong individuals, so you ain't really stopped them

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00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 1: by just grabbing him with their arms. You know what

1129
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:35,919
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Gonna take ten to twelve people to grab

1130
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 1: these with Jason strong like that Ox Jason, Jason might

1131
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 1: be the one of the strongest guys ever played with him,

1132
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 1: Like Jason take one forty five and take it from

1133
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 1: the floor and lifting over his head on one hand

1134
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: right one hand, not challenge any former or current NBA

1135
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 1: player to do that, and I guaranteed they can't do it.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to play, a new podcast network featuring radio and

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01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 1: TV personalities talking business, sports, tech, entertainment, and more. Play

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Speaker 1: it at play dot in What was your first old

1139
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 1: ship moment when you were playing in the NBA? Like

1140
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 1: who was the player that you grew up looking at

1141
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 1: admiring and then when you're twenty two years old, you're

1142
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 1: rookie and you're like, you're ding them up. Now. Now

1143
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 1: I've had this with Thomas. Okay Thomas, what was that? Like, Wow,

1144
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 1: it's awesome, that's awesome. This year then Zeke was kind

1145
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 1: of heard his half string and he was kind of

1146
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 1: had his big old bandage on his leg, and I

1147
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 1: was like, wow, I'm gonna coote with Isaiah Thomas. But

1148
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 1: it was awesome. It was just awesome. He just out

1149
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 1: there competing against him, and uh, and he was on

1150
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: one leg. He was on one leg. I got I

1151
01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 1: can't lie he was on one leg because I think

1152
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 1: he just think hewards hamstring, just come back from a

1153
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 1: hamstring injury. I think that was the injury. That said,

1154
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 1: after that, when he was like, I'm done even tired.

1155
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 1: I think if you're tired during the season, I'm done

1156
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 1: this and this. No, I can't doing them are. But

1157
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 1: it was honor that one game I played against him

1158
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 1: that I always wanted to be Isaiah Thomas. You know,

1159
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 1: you know Isaiah Thomas from Indiana when he beat North

1160
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 1: Carolina and um as he double a championship, you know,

1161
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 1: and he was the guy that I always like, oh man,

1162
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 1: like Row Strickland, like that's nice talk about him. He's

1163
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 1: a guy we always forget that. He was the one

1164
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 1: to me. He's the probably the most underrated ball player

1165
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:42,440
Speaker 1: in the NBA. He's in Uh, it's a shame that

1166
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 1: he never can make an All Star team like Row

1167
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 1: Strickland and Dark Harper. These two guys not all stars

1168
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 1: like wow, like if they're not all star like who

1169
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 1: all stars like? And the whole career. So when I

1170
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 1: made the All Star team, finally I get all the

1171
01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 1: props to them two guys, Rod and Dark Harp because

1172
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 1: obviously one of the guys that consider you know, underrated

1173
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 1: as a ball player. And once them guys, once I

1174
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 1: made the team, I gave them a lot credit Like this,

1175
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 1: I'm representing ros Strickland Dark Harper for me. You know

1176
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. No, I experienced it, and I hope

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Speaker 1: them two guys, and I'm representing them two guys for

1178
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 1: this weekend. That's that's dope. Jerry West said last week

1179
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 1: that he doesn't uh, you know, he's ready to give

1180
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 1: up his his being the logo of the NBA. Let's

1181
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 1: just say, if he gives it up, who you say

1182
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 1: should be the logo? Who? Who is the best player

1183
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 1: in the NBA? If he gives in history? Who should

1184
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 1: be the logo if he gives it. I don't think

1185
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's should be on the logo because everybody knows

1186
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 1: that magoger. I think Kareema Dolbal. I think the Scott

1187
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 1: Hook should be on the logo. If Jerry West want

1188
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 1: to get that up, I think Kareem because I don't

1189
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 1: think to this day, no one is gonna catch that.

1190
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 1: That's gonna you got thirty eight thousand points. I don't

1191
01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 1: think you know no one's gonna catch that. Steve Nash,

1192
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 1: you played with him as a rookie. Did you ever

1193
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 1: imagine do you ever see this kid when you when

1194
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 1: you saw him as a rookie. Were you like, oh, yeah,

1195
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a potential back to back Was

1196
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 1: he back to back m v P? I mean, great career.

1197
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 1: Whether or not he should have been the m VP

1198
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 1: both times, I don't care about that. I can't argue

1199
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Speaker 1: with his career. When you first saw Steve Nash, should

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01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 1: you imagine that he was gonna be as good as

1201
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 1: he turned out to be? Na, I think it's gonna

1202
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 1: be good because he had heart. Steve had a as

1203
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 1: a rookie, he had a lot of heart, and he

1204
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 1: just wanted to shoot the ball. He used to. I

1205
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 1: just get mad at him so much. He'll tell you

1206
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 1: this day's getting mad at him, like, listen, shoot the

1207
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 1: basketball because he could shoot. He could shoot. I said,

1208
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 1: you gotta play this game like you played in college.

1209
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 1: I said, once you figure that out, you can be fine.

1210
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 1: I said, you gotta play this game the same way.

1211
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 1: You can't beat somebody that you're not. And the first

1212
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 1: year used to overpass all the time he had shots

1213
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 1: because he wasn't no. He thought he was doing the

1214
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 1: right thing. But once he learned out to do the

1215
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 1: right thing by shooting the ball, and he became solid

1216
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 1: and fantasy you know he got my dad Tony and

1217
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 1: became in that system. You know how I pick a

1218
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 1: row spread the court and he's just making pass this. Um.

1219
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 1: It didn't surprise me. These kids. I asked you early.

1220
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 1: I want to go back to it. These kids, Alonzo

1221
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 1: Ball his father. You know, I've talked howardly about it.

1222
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 1: He's sort of put an X on. In my opinion,

1223
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 1: my problem with with with LaVar Ball is, first of all,

1224
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:26,439
Speaker 1: you're talking crazy. You could beat this when you could

1225
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 1: beat that one, you know. But but my my biggest

1226
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:31,720
Speaker 1: problem with this, he's put his ex on his son's

1227
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 1: back that he not gonna have to He basically cash

1228
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 1: and checks on his son's gonna have to. You know

1229
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 1: him when he's saying he's gonna be better than Steph Curry,

1230
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 1: when he's saying he's gonna do this and do that,

1231
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 1: What is the biggest surprise that for for any rookie,

1232
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 1: but let alone a point guard that's coming into this NBA.

1233
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 1: When you got John Wall, you got Dame Dollar, you

1234
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:54,920
Speaker 1: got uh Kyrie, you got I mean Kyrie, I mean

1235
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 1: he's nasty. You got every team's got a nasty point

1236
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 1: or you got this gentleman, over here. He's gonna be

1237
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:05,920
Speaker 1: adjustment farm. He's this is not college basketball where you

1238
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 1: find out of ten games too really good point guards.

1239
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 1: Every night you're gonna go against the point guard that

1240
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:17,440
Speaker 1: what's it? All? American and college too? You know what

1241
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like Ty laws is not in the top

1242
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 1: ten point guards professional point guards. But you go back

1243
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 1: eight years ago, Ty Lawson was a beast in college.

1244
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:35,960
Speaker 1: Was a beast in college, was a beast. And he's

1245
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 1: another d n B guy, you know, you know, so

1246
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 1: he was a beast. So now you come into the

1247
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 1: best possible league and basketball and the point co opposition

1248
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 1: in our league right now is stronger than ever. We

1249
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 1: forgot to mention James and every team. It's just ridiculous

1250
01:05:54,640 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 1: in especially in this Western Conference. You know, it's you know,

1251
01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 1: you don't have to kind of play basketball this Western

1252
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 1: Conference man, because as a guy, it's a task every night,

1253
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 1: you know, and just let's let's wait and see, you know,

1254
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 1: just say that you can be better than this guy

1255
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:16,840
Speaker 1: and that guy. You know, it's been some guys that

1256
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:19,440
Speaker 1: have raided high and college basketball and gets to just

1257
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:23,760
Speaker 1: this league and just just don't work out. Well, what

1258
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 1: is the difference when when when these guys are rated,

1259
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 1: you see, you've seen it, You've played with dudes, You've

1260
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:32,480
Speaker 1: had guys on your team, whether it's headcase, whether it's ability,

1261
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 1: whether it's work ethic. What what what is the difference

1262
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 1: between a guy I'm throwing out a name kick Tass

1263
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:41,800
Speaker 1: in college Adam Morrison. I mean every year there's first

1264
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:43,919
Speaker 1: round Trafton, You're like, wait a minute, what the funk

1265
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 1: happened to that dude? Like, you know, I hate to

1266
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 1: throw Adam under the bus, but what is the big

1267
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 1: difference for any any guy in any you know, um

1268
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 1: position that that just didn't make the cut in the NBA?

1269
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 1: Is the whole thing? Is is that fine point where

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01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 1: how you played in college? Can you play that same

1271
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 1: way in college into the process. When you say the

1272
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 1: same way, you mean, can you get that same mentality?

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01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 1: The mentality, it's the mentality I think it's to be

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01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 1: successful in this leads is sent Mentchell. Look, just just

1275
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:20,840
Speaker 1: to have that confidence, to have that freedom, to have

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01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 1: that relaxed nous. I gotta take this shot. If I

1277
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 1: miss it, I ain't mask I'm gonna get this next.

1278
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get that shot. Four or five more times.

1279
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:30,280
Speaker 1: I think a lot of guys who have failed, great

1280
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:35,080
Speaker 1: college players who failed and approched, they lose confidence. They

1281
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:39,800
Speaker 1: confidence can go like you don't gain confidence like that.

1282
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 1: Gain the confidence it's a period of time, but you

1283
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 1: lose it like that when you're when you're as an assistant.

1284
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:52,240
Speaker 1: Can you tell when you're like a guy is giving

1285
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 1: you like you said, John Wall, and can you tell

1286
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:56,920
Speaker 1: when like this guy's in trouble. He's not listening. He

1287
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 1: thinks he knows his ship, Like are you able to

1288
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 1: read that right away? For my first two years coaching

1289
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 1: John Wall, he used to call like I just correct

1290
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:08,360
Speaker 1: him with things on the court. And he's still and

1291
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:13,000
Speaker 1: he's a he's a great young man. He's always say

1292
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 1: yes sir, yes sir. And me being fresh, me being

1293
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 1: fresh out of the league, and I'm like, man, don't

1294
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 1: call me coach, Just don't call me yes sir. Make

1295
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:26,200
Speaker 1: me feel old. And that was that was just John.

1296
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:29,280
Speaker 1: That was just just sir, that sir. And he knew

1297
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 1: when I was really mad at him, he stayed away

1298
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 1: from me. That's a commy pool I had with John

1299
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 1: and even might be poured with Austin Rivers. You know,

1300
01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:42,280
Speaker 1: we got Austin Rivers. No, Austin know when I'm piste

1301
01:08:42,320 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 1: off and he knows when you know, he knows I'm

1302
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:49,559
Speaker 1: telling the truth all the time. It's no in between.

1303
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:52,800
Speaker 1: You know, it's I said it on campany points your

1304
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:57,000
Speaker 1: score and you know it's other things you know and

1305
01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:59,800
Speaker 1: now you know you can't tell me right now, Austin

1306
01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 1: River can play on every team in this league. But

1307
01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 1: two years ago you would have said that. You know,

1308
01:09:04,360 --> 01:09:06,960
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's because of me. It's just it's

1309
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:09,720
Speaker 1: his work. I just had I just opened his mind

1310
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:12,599
Speaker 1: up to certain certain things. You know, I had up

1311
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:15,320
Speaker 1: with my Listen, you can be the best defensive guard

1312
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:20,479
Speaker 1: on our ball club, then your offense gonna come. Yes,

1313
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 1: you can be the best defensive guard on our team.

1314
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:26,720
Speaker 1: And we got Chris Paul, who's a great defender. I said,

1315
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:29,720
Speaker 1: he's gonna be better than Chris Paul. He could go

1316
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 1: six six six seven guys. You uh, you know. So

1317
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:36,680
Speaker 1: when he got this big contract, you know, he'll tell

1318
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 1: you I was more happited than him. Like, man, you

1319
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:43,040
Speaker 1: like like like you're there now, So don't be content

1320
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:45,960
Speaker 1: with this. That's let's let's go get another big contract.

1321
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:49,920
Speaker 1: In and let's get another one and the rise of

1322
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:52,240
Speaker 1: thing to the world's fall of I played sixteen years

1323
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:54,880
Speaker 1: in this in this league, and I said, it's riding

1324
01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 1: and that that's the fulfillment thing for me that these

1325
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 1: guys get these contracts. I know where they came from.

1326
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:03,599
Speaker 1: Like the three guys I work with and my whole

1327
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 1: coaching career that's done well in this leave right now.

1328
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:10,880
Speaker 1: It's John Wall, Bradley Bill and Austin Rivers. You know

1329
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:14,960
Speaker 1: them in my projects, them three with my projects. And

1330
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:17,720
Speaker 1: you have to get opportunity to tell you ask them,

1331
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:20,120
Speaker 1: they'll tell you all ship, Sammy, And I was. I

1332
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:24,320
Speaker 1: was on John W. Bradley Bill every day. I'm on

1333
01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 1: Austin Rivers every day. They seem me comted, Hey come here,

1334
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 1: come here, come you know so I understand, you know

1335
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 1: what it takes to be successful in this league. Yo, Sam,

1336
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:38,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you go. I appreciate this so much.

1337
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:40,479
Speaker 1: I would love to do it again at the time.

1338
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:43,760
Speaker 1: I wish at the time, and hope the Clippers luck.

1339
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 1: I'm glad that that that we're under the radar and

1340
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 1: to to to shock and surprise and make noise in

1341
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:51,880
Speaker 1: these playoffs. It's gonna be fun. Man, it's gonna be fun.

1342
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 1: I think got guys got the right mindset right now. Um,

1343
01:10:56,479 --> 01:10:58,800
Speaker 1: we gotta do it. We gotta play, and it's gonna

1344
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:00,600
Speaker 1: be challenging, but I think this team is ready for

1345
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:04,559
Speaker 1: the challenge. Sam Cassell, Sam, I am the great Sam Cassell.

1346
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:07,479
Speaker 1: This is like part one. There's like four other parts.

1347
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:09,800
Speaker 1: I could have asked you, but this is good, So

1348
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:11,800
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, Sam, and I just want to just

1349
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 1: tell the people. Sam Cansell is an above average ping

1350
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:18,560
Speaker 1: punk player, talks a lot of ships. He beat me

1351
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:21,200
Speaker 1: in at three at three to three three tournament, the

1352
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:23,519
Speaker 1: best out of three tournaments, and he did beat me,

1353
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 1: but he will he will please. I mean, now, you

1354
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:27,960
Speaker 1: were sweating like you were in game seven of the finals,

1355
01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:32,640
Speaker 1: but but I won, won won, you won, but I

1356
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 1: don't know. We both were sweating. Don't say I've swearing

1357
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:42,400
Speaker 1: both sweaing. You came up Jack. Thanks Sam, all right,