1 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:15,239 Speaker 1: This is Gavin Newsom. 2 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 2: Welcome everybody. Sorry we're a little late getting started. It's 3 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 2: been quite a day for the governor, and thank you 4 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:23,760 Speaker 2: Governor Newsom for joining us today. 5 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: Great to be with you. 6 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 2: Thank you, It's been quite a day for you. I 7 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 2: wanted to talk today about what you just said in 8 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 2: California and how you said it, and the implications in 9 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 2: the short term for it, but also the long term 10 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 2: implications for American democracy. It was a big day for you. 11 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 2: Do you want to start by telling the audience here 12 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 2: who may not have heard your press conference or may 13 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 2: not have heard your uh or read about it yet, 14 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 2: what you have said today in California, Well. 15 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: If I and I appreciate it. I want to say 16 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: where I'm saying it. I'm in little Tokyo. I'm at 17 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:06,279 Speaker 1: the Democracy Center. I'm at the center of what occurred 18 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: in the nineteen forties where people were quite literally picked 19 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: up right behind me a few feet away Japanese and interned. 20 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: As we started our press conference with senators United States senators, 21 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: but shift members of Congress, community leaders, everybody assembled, border 22 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:30,559 Speaker 1: patrol was set right here to the exact site where 23 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 1: people were picked up and interned in the nineteen forties. 24 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: I just hope people pause and think about that, that 25 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: they were directed clearly by the White House as a 26 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 1: political operation to make a point, and that means we 27 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: didn't have to make other much of a point ourselves 28 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: about what this election is all about, and what's happening 29 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: in this country and this sort of shift towards more authoritarianism, 30 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: and what's at stake with redistricting and what's at stake 31 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: with our democracy, and how the founding fathers would be 32 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: rolling over in their grave. 33 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 2: Well, let's step back a bit, because you said when 34 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 2: it happened that they were making a specific point and 35 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 2: it wasn't just about picking people up. It was about 36 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 2: the upcoming twenty twenty six and then twenty twenty eight election. 37 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, there's no doubt in my mind that And 38 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: I said this a few months ago when we saw 39 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: four thousand of our National Guard federalized. We saw seven 40 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 1: hundred United States Marines sent to an American city, the 41 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: first time Donald Trump ever deployed the US military. Never 42 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: did it overseas, did it in the United States of 43 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: America into Los Angeles. I said, this is a preview 44 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: of things to come. I don't know what more evidence 45 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: we need than what happened in Washington, DC. And you're 46 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: going to see this all across the United States. What 47 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: we saw just a moment ago with border patrol is 48 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: a preview things to come at voting booths and polling 49 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:58,959 Speaker 1: places all across this country. These guys aren't screwing around. 50 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: Wake up. Donald Trump is not screwing around. He called 51 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: Greg Abbott. He said he was entitled to five seats. 52 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: He's trying to rig the next election in the midterms. 53 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 1: There's a reason members of the Trump team sent me 54 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 1: a Trump twenty twenty eight hat with a note, is 55 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: there not screwing around and we could no longer screw 56 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: around either. 57 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 2: So you spoke today specifically in response to the demand 58 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 2: of President Donald Trump of the Texas legislators to redistrict 59 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 2: the state in the middle of a cycle which we 60 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 2: is usually every ten years because the US Census demand. 61 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 2: The US Constitution demands that we do a census every 62 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 2: ten years for redistricting, and Texas has done this before 63 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 2: in twenty thousand and three. But they are looking to 64 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 2: read district Texas to get rid of a number of 65 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 2: Democratic representatives and replace some of the Republicans five. So 66 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 2: today in California, you pushed back with a very specific plan. 67 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 2: Could you outline that plan for us? Even though the 68 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 2: maps have not come out yet, we understand. 69 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: Well, we're fighting fire with fire. We're responding to what 70 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: appears to be happening in real time in Texas. And 71 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 1: rather than having one hand tied behind our back in California, 72 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 1: we are asking the people of the state of California 73 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: in a special election on November fourth, through their representatives, 74 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: two thirds of which will on Monday, introduce a constitutional 75 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:39,119 Speaker 1: amendment to allow the independent Redistrict of California to occur 76 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: mid decade to fight firefire the equivalent of five seats 77 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: to neoter and neutralize what's happening in Texas on a 78 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 1: temporary basis. We'll do it in a transparent way by 79 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: putting the maps up and make them available for public review, 80 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: and we'll do it in the most democratic way. The 81 00:04:56,160 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: people will ultimately decide start contrast to what's happening in Texas. 82 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 1: It's triggered only if Texas moves forward, if Missouri moves forward, 83 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: if Florida moves forward, if Indiana or Ohio or any 84 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: of these other states move forward in response to what 85 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: appears pretty clearly to be the rigging of the midterm election, 86 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: analogous to what happened after January sixth, when Donald Trump 87 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: started dialing for votes and the very infamous phone calls 88 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: he made to the Secretary of State in Georgia. 89 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 2: So I want to get back in a bit to 90 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 2: the idea that this is a long term plan of 91 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 2: the mega Republicans to take over the American system entirely 92 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 2: so that the Democrats can never win, so we essentially 93 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,359 Speaker 2: get a one party state. But let's go back, first 94 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 2: of all to this specific plan, because there's some pieces 95 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 2: of it that I think are important for people to understand. 96 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 2: The first, as you say, is that it is reactionary. 97 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 2: It would only go into effect if the Texas Republicans 98 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 2: go forward with their own redistricting plan and in the 99 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 2: mid in the mid cycle. 100 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 1: Is that correct. That's it. There's an exit ramp. They 101 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 1: don't move forward, we don't move forward. This is not 102 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 1: the fight we want. But we're not going to sit 103 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: back again and roll over. We're not going to sit 104 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: back with one hand tie behind our back, have a 105 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: candlelighted visual hold hands. Talk about the way the world 106 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 1: should be not when we're seeing this level of recklessness, 107 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 1: this level of insidiousness as it relates to democratic institutions, 108 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: democratic norms, and the rigging of the twenty twenty six 109 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: congressional maps. 110 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 2: All right, So if that's the immediate piece of it, 111 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 2: there is within it, as I understand it, and I 112 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 2: have not yet read the measure, there is within it 113 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 2: a demand for a national nonpartisan Can you talk about that? 114 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, Look, just so people understand, and I want a 115 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 1: level set with folks. Good people can disagree on this. 116 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: I support and have supported independent redistricting. I believe it's 117 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: the right approach. I'm really proud of my party, the 118 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: Democratic Party, for doing the same. Zoe Logrant Lawford, who's 119 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: the head of the California Congressional delegation, sponsored legislation was 120 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: supported by all the Democrats to create a national independent redistricting. 121 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: No Republicans supported. Democrats supported that. That's what we believe, 122 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: it's the right thing to do. We need to move 123 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: beyond these partisan GERI matter districts where we pick voters 124 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: as opposed to voters picking us. But in the absence 125 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: of that happening nationwide, in the absence of these of 126 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: fairness being advanced in other states. We have to act 127 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: anew in the sort of language of Lincoln himself in 128 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: his second State of the Union, we have to disenthrall ourselves. 129 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: Facts are new, we have to think a new and 130 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: we have to act anew And I think the key 131 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: here is act. It's not good enough to talk about. 132 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: We have to actually move forward. We have to meet 133 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: this head on. And that's why we say fire with fire. 134 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: It is about power, it's not about party. That's all 135 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: this is about. But again it came about in response. 136 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: If they don't move, we don't move. The legislature on 137 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: Monday will introduce a number of bills, a constitutional amendment, 138 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: They will introduce the maps. The fact that maps will 139 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: come out I think as early as tomorrow, so people 140 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: have a chance to see them again. They'll be on 141 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: people's ballot, and so ultimately people decide on November fourth. 142 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: It's an election that coincides with a lot of municipal elections, 143 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: and we will fund those elections, the special election at 144 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 1: the local level, so that there's access and opportunity. We're 145 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: going to do it in the most transparent way that's 146 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: ever been done here. In the state of California. But 147 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: we fundamentally believe and the voters will have a chance 148 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: to concur that we should have independent, nationalized redistricting. That 149 00:08:52,720 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: is going to be on our ballot as well. 150 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 2: All right, So what would you say to institutionalists like 151 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 2: me who say that, in fact, we need to support 152 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 2: American institutions even when other people are not supporting them, 153 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 2: because by walking away from them we destroy the project. 154 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: Well, I think this project is being destroyed. I mean 155 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: the best of the Roman Republic and Greek democracy and 156 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,439 Speaker 1: coequal branches of government, a system of checks and balances, 157 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 1: popular sovereignty. It's all on the line. There's no independent redistricting. 158 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:33,439 Speaker 1: If Trump is successful in wiring the five votes that 159 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: he claims he's entitled to, or the five seats in 160 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: Texas and all of these other states, He's not going 161 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: to stop in Texas. You see what he just tried 162 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: to do to one of the great research institutions in 163 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: the world that helped create the Internet, UCLA and the 164 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: one bigion dollar extortion backage. They're selling their souls. God 165 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: help us, God help us. They'll do this at Harvard institutions. 166 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: My gosh, institutions how about free enterprise, How about what 167 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 1: Nvidia just did. Institutions they're frame, they're cracking, So we 168 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,959 Speaker 1: have got to this is about power, yes, but it's 169 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: also about power pushing back against Trump, and it's also 170 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: about power to call out this rigged election that he's 171 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: tried to advance and to try to provide a level 172 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: playing field. That's all we're trying to do. Neutralize what 173 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: they're doing in texts. 174 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 2: Well, you certainly could make the argument that what you 175 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 2: are doing is quite intelligently looking at the nation as 176 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,559 Speaker 2: a whole, in California as a piece of that. So 177 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 2: by protecting the larger institutional system of the checks and 178 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 2: balances in the country and stopping this extraordinary power grab, 179 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 2: that in fact you are supporting those institutions, not undercutting them. 180 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 2: Do you think that's fair. 181 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: I couldn't agree with you more. I mean, this is 182 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:51,599 Speaker 1: you know, this is about all of us. This is 183 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: about the United States of America. The implications everyone listening, 184 00:10:55,880 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: The implications are well beyond California. And this is about representation. 185 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: It's about this fundamental and foundational as it gets. And again, 186 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: this is the core, enduring experiment that we've enjoyed but 187 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,079 Speaker 1: can no longer take for granted for two hundred and 188 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: forty nine years. I mean the idea that that Donald 189 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: Trump he's going to represent this nation on the two 190 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: hundred and fiftieth anniversary, and he's up to this. 191 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:26,559 Speaker 2: I mean, we're going to represent the American people, are 192 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:28,959 Speaker 2: going to resent represent the country at the two hundred 193 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 2: and fiftieth. 194 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 1: God bless you. And that reminds me of Justicegen's dissent 195 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: and not dissimilar redistricting issues where the power of the 196 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 1: government is endowed by the people. I'm here at the 197 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,319 Speaker 1: Democracy Center and other in that spirit, I remember Justice 198 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 1: BRANDI said, in a democracy, the most important office is 199 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 1: not office of presidents or they not governor, city council, mayor. 200 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 1: The most important office is office of citizen. And it's 201 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: about active, non inert citizenship. And so this notion of 202 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: we the people is foundational and I appreciate that spirit, 203 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: and I appreciate your reflection of that. Well. 204 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 2: You mentioned that in your speech today. You talked about 205 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 2: agency and about how part of what you're doing is 206 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 2: trying to remind Americans that they do have agency over 207 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 2: their government. Was that a deliberate call for this speech? 208 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what's happened. I feel like some 209 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: of us have we become victims in so many respects. 210 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: We forget we're not bystanders in the world, that the 211 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: future is not just something experience, it's something to manifest. 212 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: It's right here, it's right inside of us. It is 213 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: it's decisions, not conditions. I don't, you know, And maybe 214 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: I'm maybe After the pandemic, I started reading a little 215 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 1: more Epoptetis and Marcus Aurelius and Seneca and spend a 216 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,199 Speaker 1: little time with the Stoics a little bit. But it's 217 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: a reminder it's not what happens to us. It's how 218 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:00,719 Speaker 1: we respond to what happens to us that matters. And 219 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: we have agency, that's what citizens. He can't take that 220 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: away from us. He can't. He's trying. He can only 221 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: take it away if we allow him to take it 222 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: away from us. And I'm very mindful that that's happened 223 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: in other countries around the world and other points of 224 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: our history. With the consent, there's a complicity we are 225 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: not bystanderds Well. 226 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,079 Speaker 2: One of the things that jumped out to me about 227 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 2: this declaration of the Governor of California that he would 228 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 2: use the power, the extraordinary power of the state of California, which, 229 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 2: as you say, has the population of twenty one of 230 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 2: the smaller states and the fourth largest economy in the world. 231 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 2: Congratulations on that, by the way, that came earlier this year, 232 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 2: you moved from fifth to fourth. But what really interested 233 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 2: me about that in terms of the way we think 234 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 2: about American democracy in the larger picture, is I believe 235 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 2: this is the first time in American history where a 236 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 2: state has called for other states to pressure the national 237 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:09,559 Speaker 2: government to change the system for larger inclusion in democracy. 238 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 2: And what I mean by that is that generally after 239 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 2: World War II, that liberals who wanted the government to 240 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 2: regulate business and provide a basic social safety net and 241 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 2: protect civil rights and invest in infrastructure look to the 242 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 2: federal government to move states along those lines, especially states 243 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 2: that had tended to discriminate against their populations. And so 244 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 2: there's been a tendency for people who cared about those issues. 245 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 2: And that's not just by the way, in the nineteen 246 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 2: fifties and sixties and seventies, a democratic proposition, but an 247 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 2: American proposition to look to the federal government. But I 248 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 2: believe this is the first time that a state has 249 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 2: said we will leverage our very strong power to force 250 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 2: the federal government to stop destroying our democracy. I think 251 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 2: it's a really big moment what you have just declared. 252 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 2: Did you see it that way? 253 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it's interesting as you're framing it, I'm starting 254 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: to see it that way. Look, I've seen and Ron 255 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: Brown seeing and others have been writing a lot about this, 256 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: this great divergence that's occurred in this country in the 257 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: last I don't know decade or so red versus blue. 258 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: We've seen, as you describe it, you know, from sort 259 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: of post World War two frame this right's expansion, this 260 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: increasing and growing nationalization of rights, and now we're seeing 261 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: that regression state by state. I started to see it 262 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: a number of years ago in a deeper way, when 263 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: I started to reconcile the fact that I'm on the 264 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: receiving end of CRTDI E. S G. Anything with three letters. 265 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: They've seen it started a shape shift, and we start 266 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: to see that with Ron DeSantis in particular, Abbott in 267 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: many respects without as much fanfare, starting to sort of 268 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: rewrite history, sensor historic facts, more evidence we need. With 269 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: Smithsonian and what's going on there. And I started to 270 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: see it as it relates to curriculum being changed. I 271 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: saw it with books that are being bannedly or books 272 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: even worse that are being changed, like social studies books 273 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: where they're taking the race of Rosa Parks out of 274 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: the book because it's a quote unquote two woke as 275 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: it relates to the history of the civil rights movement. 276 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: And so this this this this nationalization of rights that 277 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: now seems to be moving backwards to pre nineteen sixties 278 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: construct It just occurs to me now to the extent possible, 279 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: states can assert themselves, like California, states that might just 280 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: be able to punch a little bit above their weight 281 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: that that we can lay a little bit more claim 282 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: to recognizing this moment in history and pushed back and 283 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 1: move back, I think to our better angels where we 284 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: truly are, as Adam Schiff said today, you know sort 285 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: of marking that that that that that sort of infamous 286 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: MLK frame that you know that that arc of history 287 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: ultimately been towards just and I just feel like it's 288 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: getting increasingly out of our grasp and we've got to 289 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: pull that arc back down. 290 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 2: Well, you did something else very interesting though in your 291 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 2: speech that speaks to that, and that is that really 292 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 2: since well, at least for the last twenty years, and 293 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 2: I would push it back for twenty before that. There's 294 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 2: been a tendency among the rhetoric of the radical right 295 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 2: to demonize democratic states, especially California and New York, but 296 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 2: especially California. And you actually took on Texas today, and 297 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 2: you also spoke up very powerfully about having pride in 298 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:39,360 Speaker 2: the things that make texts that make California great. That too, 299 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 2: I thought was an important rhetorical shift. 300 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: I appreciate that. I looked around the room as people 301 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: are cheering. It's the most diverse crowd and the most 302 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: diverse city, the world's most diverse democracy. It's the point 303 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: of pride. It's all at stake. We don't say it enough. 304 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 1: You know. Why is California the fourth largest economa. I 305 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 1: appreciate you recognizing that it's not despite that diversity, it's 306 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: because of it. We get first round draft choices. Around 307 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: the rest of the world. The best, in the brightest 308 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: come to California. States like California, other large states across 309 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: this country because they see, they feel seen and heard, 310 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: they feel sense of belonging. That's what makes this country great. 311 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: That's what's made America great. Lady torch, you know, the 312 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: Lady Liberty's torch, you know, the life force as Reagan said, yes, 313 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan himself, of New Americans. That's our greatness. And 314 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: all of that is at risk. That's what the Border 315 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: Patrol was sitting there trying to disabuse us of. I'm 316 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,199 Speaker 1: not gonna We're not gonna let Donald Trump wreck that, 317 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: and I'm not you know, there's I'll acknowledge each other. 318 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: There is. There's definitely I submit Trump to arrangement syndrome, 319 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 1: but they're sure as hell is California derangement syndrome. We 320 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 1: have more scientists, engineers, more researchers won't know about laureates 321 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: than any other state in America. Just think about the 322 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 1: UC system that he's attacking. Thirteen thou eight hundred active patents. 323 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,919 Speaker 1: There's no other universites on planet Earth with more patents. 324 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: You care about national security, you care about economic progress, 325 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: You care about innovation and entrepreneurialism. You care about dominating 326 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 1: the next century and globally and otherwise, you sure as 327 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 1: hell better care about those institutions. All of those are 328 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 1: at risk with the rule of don Well, I hope 329 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: it's dawning on people what's at stake. 330 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 2: Well, the contrast of ice being there, as you said that, 331 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 2: because of course economists one thousand percent bear out exactly 332 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 2: what you just said here was a striking moment. It 333 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 2: was also, I thought, a very striking moment that Trump 334 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 2: and the MAGA Republicans especially I'm thinking of somebody like 335 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 2: Stephen Miller right now, the White House Deputy Chief of Staff, 336 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 2: have made it a point really to talk about how 337 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 2: terrible America is, that it's American carnage, that there's you 338 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 2: know who is it. The Senator from Oklahoma today, Mark 339 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 2: Wayne Mullins said he drives around Washington without a seat 340 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 2: out because he's afraid he's going to get carjact. I'm like, dude, 341 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 2: come on, like really, you know, it's been. 342 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 1: A lot of time in the carj act in his 343 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: state than he is in these blue states. I remind 344 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: everyone watching eight of the top ten murder states in 345 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:17,679 Speaker 1: America are red states. You've got you talk about speaker. 346 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: We didn't talk about the speaker of the Als Johnson. 347 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: His district has six or eight times more murder rate 348 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 1: per cabit in than Nancy Pelosi's why the hell isn't 349 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: Trump sending the National Guard in to deal with the 350 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 1: carnage in Speaker Johnson's backyard. It's all bs, it's all performative, 351 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 1: but it's all very real. And that's why we need 352 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 1: to sober up. We need to act differently. It's time 353 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: we have to get back on the offense. It's time 354 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 1: we shape shift the conversation, time we dominate and flood 355 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: the zone on the narrative. And it's time we call 356 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 1: out the bullshit. She's my language. I know there's a 357 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 1: lot of it. A lot of us are swearing a 358 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: lot more that we used to, and I forgive me, 359 00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 1: but the reality is we're in a new reality and 360 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: our Democrats, and I think the biggest problem with our 361 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 1: party right now is the sense that we're weak. That 362 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: were we and it's time to disabuse people of that. 363 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,199 Speaker 1: We have power. We need to start exercising it. 364 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 2: Okay, you said a bunch of things there that I 365 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 2: think are really important agency offense and defense of the 366 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 2: qualities that have always made America great. And you referenced 367 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 2: Ronald Reagan there the last public speech he Gave talked 368 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 2: about how important immigration was to making America stay on 369 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:37,479 Speaker 2: the top of its game, constantly innovating, constantly being the 370 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 2: best in the world because we welcome new people, and 371 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 2: that he said, if we stopped that, we would cease 372 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 2: to be America, we would cease to be the country 373 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 2: we were. And I think we're seeing that. 374 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 1: I mean, look, it's we've had a formula for success 375 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: in this country and and and I mean for everybody 376 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: we've been there, we've got for all the challenges and 377 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 1: we have we have we have. It goes without saying 378 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: we have all these pre existing conditions. But we have 379 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,360 Speaker 1: been the envy of the world. And these guys are 380 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: trying to wreck it. They're trying to wreck it, and 381 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: they don't know what the hell they're doing. Trump doesn't 382 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 1: know what the hell he's doing. And you have all 383 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 1: of these people that are complicit and they're shaking their head. Yes, sir. 384 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: In the worst part, Heather, it's some of the wealthiest 385 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:28,360 Speaker 1: and most connected people that are selling out. That's why 386 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,479 Speaker 1: if Harvard does this, they will sell out higher education 387 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,199 Speaker 1: in this country. It is a shame, it would be 388 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 1: a disgrace. You have some of the wealthiest business leaders 389 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 1: selling out allowing their companies to be nationalized socialized there, 390 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: I say, we cannot allow that to happen. People are scared. 391 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. We have some people that want 392 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: to contribute this campaign. They're scared of the retribution from 393 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 1: the son of a bitch. I mean, now, this is 394 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 1: how bad it is. 395 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 2: Let me just explain for people and may not have 396 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 2: been following it, that, in fact, the Trump administration has 397 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 2: been exercising really quite unusual control over government mergers. For example, 398 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 2: they've been requiring fifteen percent kickbacks on the sale of 399 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 2: certain kinds of chips to China and so on, and 400 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 2: there is a real concern that this is a form 401 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 2: of state capitalism that looks a lot more more like 402 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:22,199 Speaker 2: China than it looks like our free labor system. But 403 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:27,360 Speaker 2: while we're on that topic, though, Governor, what about your 404 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 2: new I think you have a very new approach to 405 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,439 Speaker 2: how you were taking on the Trump administration. And I 406 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 2: know that I've been reprinting you, and certainly a lot 407 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 2: of people have been retweeting you. Why did you make 408 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 2: the decision to do what you're doing? Can you explain 409 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 2: it to us and say, if you know where you 410 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 2: think it fits in this fight that we are on 411 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,199 Speaker 2: to protect American democracy. 412 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:54,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I I have we all have a cell 413 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,360 Speaker 1: by date, and I'm not going to dream of regretting. 414 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,679 Speaker 1: I'm putting out all the putting all out on the line, 415 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 1: and I'm just I'm I I've never been more concerned 416 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 1: about this country and for them, out of the world 417 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: that we're living in. And I'm I recognize the power 418 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: of communication. I realize the power of the narrative. We 419 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 1: talked about a moment ago at least I asserted the 420 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 1: imperative of claiming the narrative. And and I'm just iterating. 421 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,919 Speaker 1: I'm constantly iterating. So I got a podcast. I'm just 422 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: trying new things, and I'm there's humility in that, there's grace. 423 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to see what works. And I, you know, 424 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 1: decided a few days ago with the team to mimic 425 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 1: a little bit of the childishness that is Donald Trump 426 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 1: and what he puts out on truth social at all 427 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:50,479 Speaker 1: cats exclamation, exclamation, And you know, I don't know, some 428 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,360 Speaker 1: refer to as a parody of sorts, but it's been 429 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: a potent communication tool because people are now talking about it. 430 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 1: I'm getting people that never reach out to me, that 431 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,439 Speaker 1: don't care much about politics, can't stand politicians. I just 432 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 1: want to talk to me about sports or culture, saying hey, wait, 433 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: I saw your tweet. Kind of like that, all of 434 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: a sudden, they're paying a little bit more attention, and 435 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:15,159 Speaker 1: they're maybe paying attention to the childish nish that is 436 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:19,120 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, that we've allowed him to normalize the way 437 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 1: he communicates, talking down to us, talking past us, and 438 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 1: so yeah, we're iterating, we're trying new things. I'm not 439 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 1: trying to claim anything except a willingness to try, a 440 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: willingness to learn again. As I said, the humility and 441 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,120 Speaker 1: grace of the moment that it recorders. 442 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 2: Do you want to tell this audience what you said 443 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 2: in response to a question about it at your press 444 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 2: conference after the speech. 445 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: No, I mean I just I basically reinforced a little 446 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 1: bit more succinctly what I just said. Look, how it's pathetic. 447 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: He's the president of the United States, the president of 448 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 1: the United States of America, and he's sitting there at 449 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: one to two in the morning with all caps and 450 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: it just anyway, I don't know, I don't know how 451 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: many more I'll have of those tweets. But if you 452 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 1: haven't checked out some of my tweets go online, you 453 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 1: may enjoy a few. 454 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 2: I believe you said. If you have a problem with 455 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 2: my tweets, you sure should have a problem with the 456 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 2: President of the United States making those tweets exactly. 457 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I got kids, and I got how do 458 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 1: we have a whole generation of people who thinks this 459 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 1: is normal. It's not and it can't be normalized. And 460 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,640 Speaker 1: that's a big part of what we're also pushing back against. 461 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 1: Pay attention everybody, please, please, please please pay attention to 462 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:42,120 Speaker 1: what's going on. 463 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,360 Speaker 2: So I have just two very quick questions for you. 464 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 2: One is, I'm not going to ask you how you 465 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 2: think Trump will respond, because we don't know. That's one 466 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:56,679 Speaker 2: of the reasons we sort of have to take it 467 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,719 Speaker 2: on a moment by moment basis. But do you have 468 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 2: a series of plans in place depending on how he 469 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 2: responds to this, because he will. That was a red 470 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 2: flag to a bull. 471 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 1: Boy, he responded today. Border patrol was out there for 472 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 1: a reason. That wasn't done, that wasn't abitstance. That's that's 473 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 1: I mean, that's a that's an orbon you know Turkey Playbook. 474 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: I mean that was just you know, that was a yeah, 475 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 1: that's as I said, weakness masquerading his strength. But again 476 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: it was a masterclass of making our point, not his point. 477 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: He made no point. He made our point of what's 478 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,199 Speaker 1: at stake. So that's how I react. He's reacted by 479 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: saying I should be arrested. Onder what basis he said, Well, 480 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: because he was elected govenant. I mean, you can't make 481 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 1: this stuff up. So look, I'm not naive. He's reacting. 482 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: He's trying to wreck California. He's you know, he's trying 483 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 1: to wreck the only high speed rail system in the 484 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: Western hemisphere. He's trying to go after US as relates 485 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,439 Speaker 1: to the institutions of higher learning, any independent any place 486 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: that cultivates independent thinking. Donald Trump is going after any 487 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:04,439 Speaker 1: institut tuition that cultivates independent thinking. And that should sober 488 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: everyone up, not just Californian, not just Californians, not just 489 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: elected officials. I'm fine. The fifteen year old that had 490 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: a gun pulled to his head, who's disabled trying to 491 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: go to school last week, He's not the rest of 492 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,199 Speaker 1: his life. He's going to have that image of a 493 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 1: gun that was put to his head by Ice agents. 494 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: So that's what the hell do we need to sober up? 495 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 2: So that's my fine. That is my final question for you. 496 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,199 Speaker 2: You talked about agency, you've talked about new things in 497 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 2: new ways to approach the protection of democracy. You've talked 498 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 2: about what you are doing. What should the American people 499 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 2: be doing to support the democratic project right now? Because 500 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 2: everybody wants to do something. The popularity of this administration, 501 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 2: you know, is in the toilet. The people who support 502 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,959 Speaker 2: Project twenty twenty four, about four percent of Americans support 503 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 2: it when they know what it is. What should people 504 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 2: be doing to support the protection of American democracy? 505 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: It's the right question. And I think about this all 506 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: the time. I get this question all the time. What 507 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 1: he's trying to do, the shock and awe is trying 508 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: to just just weigh us down, try to distract us, 509 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: try to exhaust us. We're just overwhelmed, and as a consequence, 510 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: we just sort of stand back and step down and 511 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 1: just get lost and you know online and doom scrawling, etc. 512 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: We can't allow him to allow us to fall prey 513 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: to cynicism and fear. And I want everyone listening to 514 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 1: know they're the antidote to that cynicism and fear. The 515 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: fact that you're even watching this, if you are, even 516 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: if you came here because you can't stand me, you're 517 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: the antidote to that cynicism. Fair You haven't given up, 518 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 1: You haven't given it, And I think the answer is 519 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: not complicated. Just be yourself, say what you think, learn 520 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: from don't follow others, express yourself, do so in a 521 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 1: responsible way. Don't talk past people, don't talk down to people. 522 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: All of us want to be loved. All of us 523 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: need to be loved. We all want to be protected, 524 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 1: connected and respected. Have that in your heart, but be 525 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 1: accountable by exercising your voice. Show up. It inspires people. 526 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: And that No King's Day you inspired me. I wasn't 527 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 1: sure that that was going the big two hundred and 528 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 1: fiftieth anniversary, big birthday bash. I honestly didn't know I 529 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: was going to go, like I'm starting to feel it. 530 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 1: If I'm feeling it and I have this bullypole with 531 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: this gift, I can imagine how many people are feeling. 532 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: But you showed up, and I mean you put wind 533 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: in my sale. I mean, like, thank you for having 534 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 1: our back. The fact that we've even gotten this far 535 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 1: with the legislature and with our Congression. I mean, this 536 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 1: is amazing. Thank you, Thank you for not giving up. 537 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: Keep at it seriously, like proud, just as a guy 538 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 1: who's the ex governor of California, the guy who's trying 539 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: to raise four kids used to be decent people. I 540 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: don't care if they're Democrats Republicans. Just want to be 541 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: good human beings and I want them to have the 542 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: privileges that all of us have, the freedoms, the liberties, 543 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 1: the ability to live their lives out loud, and those 544 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 1: things you can't take for granted anymore. 545 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 2: Amen, Governor Newsom, thank you so much for being with us, 546 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 2: and I hope we do this again sometime. Best of 547 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 2: luck to you, and best of luck with this project. 548 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: I appreciate honor to be with you. Seriously, take care. 549 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 2: Thank you for being here. 550 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: Everybody, Thank you, everybody.