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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two Podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex bar.

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Speaker 2: Lazar.

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Speaker 3: Hello, everybody nailed it. Joined us always by our bar.

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Speaker 3: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars.

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Speaker 4: Something about the draft just gets the fanboy, Evan like,

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Speaker 4: even more so than in season. Yeah, just for some reason,

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Speaker 4: I just love the draft. I love the prep work,

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Speaker 4: I love the lead up to it, I love the

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Speaker 4: actual draft itself, and I'm ready to be hurt again.

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Speaker 3: Catch well, Alex, I love the draft.

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Speaker 1: Delay the hurt.

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Speaker 3: We're in the middle of the draft.

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Speaker 1: Delay the hurt.

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Speaker 4: But you can delay the hurt, delay the hurt, delay

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Speaker 4: the hurt because the Patriots did what all of us

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Speaker 4: wanted them to do last night, and that was select

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Speaker 4: a player, a blue chip, a premium talent at a

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Speaker 4: premium position, a name brand cornerback in Christian Gonzalez with

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Speaker 4: the seventeenth overall selection. Evan Lazar, Alex Bart with you

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Speaker 4: for the next let's call it hour and fifteen. We

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Speaker 4: got a busy day down here today, Alex. We have

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Speaker 4: assistant coaches coming up in the three o'clock and four

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Speaker 4: o'clock hour, and then we got Christian Gonzalez is gonna

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Speaker 4: be here out on the field at ja Led Stadium

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Speaker 4: at around five o'clock, so he's gonna be here doing

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Speaker 4: the ceremonial first round selection press conference and jersey presentation

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Speaker 4: out on the field with mister Kraft and the media.

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Speaker 3: So that will be a lot of fun.

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Speaker 4: I think we're also gonna be able to get Christian

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Speaker 4: Gonzalez in here with Paul and Fred and Mike as

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Speaker 4: well for a quick radio interview with the first rounder.

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Speaker 4: So we're gonna talk a lot of Christian Gonzales today.

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Speaker 4: Obviously that's the topic of the day, but we're also

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Speaker 4: gonna set the table for night too, because this is

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Speaker 4: where I feel like Alex, that you and I really

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Speaker 4: make our hay is knowing these parts of the draft

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Speaker 4: and what's still available and who's still out there for

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Speaker 4: the Patriots. So you can join the conversation and I

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Speaker 4: give your opinion on who you want to see the

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Speaker 4: Patriots target tonight on Day two of the NFL Draft

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Speaker 4: eight five five Pats five hundred web Radio at Patriots

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Speaker 4: dot com. Give us a call and we will break

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Speaker 4: it down for you. We can break it down with you,

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Speaker 4: but let's start with Christian Gonzales, and I think the

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Speaker 4: I want to say this before we get into it, and

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Speaker 4: I have two things to say off the top. One,

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Speaker 4: I don't want to hear a single person in my mentions,

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Speaker 4: a single person on my on the phone screen say

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Speaker 4: that we're we're just seeing this with Patriots color glasses,

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Speaker 4: because both of us had Christian Gonzalez as our number

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Speaker 4: one corner a week ago, a day ago, three months ago.

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Speaker 1: Since the combine was when I like because remember going

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Speaker 1: into the combine, I was locked on Joey Porter. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I thought Keey Ringo was up there that coming

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Speaker 1: away from the combine maybe my biggest take on any player. Well,

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Speaker 1: well no, because we found out about Zach Koonz, but

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Speaker 1: like up there, yeah, was this Christian Zalez. Kid is

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Speaker 1: the real deal. This is elite movement skills and at

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Speaker 1: a position like cornerback, the ability to move right, not

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Speaker 1: just be fast, but be quick, change direction, move in

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Speaker 1: important at that position. Yes, since the draft, I have

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Speaker 1: said this, he is the best corner in the draft.

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Speaker 1: I did not have him on my Patriots board simply

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Speaker 1: because I thought there was no shot he was there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I didn't even think they'd be able to trade up

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Speaker 1: Albert Brier Jeff Hall, that the Patriots did consider one

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Speaker 1: point trading up to get Christian Gonzalez. But no, he

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So this is not oh, the Patriots drafted him and

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Speaker 4: now all of a sudden, we're a crushing on the guy.

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Speaker 4: This is one hundred percent of our genuine feelings about

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Speaker 4: You just mentioned that the Patriots had conversations about trading up.

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Speaker 4: That is my understanding as well, that they did have

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Speaker 3: But people in the building are ecstatic, not just us, not.

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Speaker 4: Us in the building, but people in the important people

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Speaker 4: you mentioned a lot of the things that we both

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Speaker 4: The movement skills and the athleticism and how fluid and

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Speaker 4: that ran a four to thirty eight at six foot one,

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Speaker 4: excellent combine workout on the field, and really just incredible

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Speaker 4: Extremely impressive player. But I think that was what stands

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Speaker 4: so well versed in a lot of different coverage schemes.

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Speaker 4: This is not a player that is very pigeonholed to.

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Speaker 4: He's a man corner. He's a zone corner, he's a

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Speaker 4: cover two corner. He's a post safety guy. Right. This

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Speaker 4: Static yeah, wide breadth of coverage systems and schemes at Oregon.

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Speaker 3: And I was trying to figure it out why I

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Speaker 4: I was trying to figure out what the missing piece

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Speaker 4: make sense. And of course Dan Lanning the coach at

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Speaker 4: Oregon were basically Alabama, right, and now when you come

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Speaker 4: So this is a player that moves like a first

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Speaker 4: they're also just a last thing. They're set up so

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Speaker 4: real chance to now knock this thing completely out of

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Speaker 4: the park with the AMMO. It's still having eleven selections

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Speaker 4: and fourth round picks that they can then use maybe today.

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Speaker 4: I think they want to use today to move around

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Speaker 1: I agree with everything you said on Gonzalez. I think

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Speaker 1: you know one trait that maybe you don't feel the

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Speaker 1: same way I do, or you just didn't mention it

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Speaker 1: his ability to put his foot in the ground and

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Speaker 1: change direction and react right even when he gets beat. Initially,

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Speaker 1: he's got great bursts to close the gap and you

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Speaker 1: something where as he sees more football right as his

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Speaker 1: instincts improve it. He mentioned his instincts are very good,

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Speaker 1: but they're good for a guy who's entering the NFL.

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Speaker 1: As he starts to see things, that's going to be

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Speaker 1: has a skill set physically to bait quarterbacks and bait

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Speaker 1: plays in college you watch where like, I don't want

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Speaker 1: to say he gets beat and recovers. I think some

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Speaker 1: of it's intentional where you think he's beat, You're like,

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Speaker 1: there's no way he's going to close that gap in time, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and then he does one other thing I really like

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Speaker 1: about Gonzalez. You kind of talked about him as a player,

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Speaker 1: have Christian Gonzalez and Jack Jones on the boundary, Marcus

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Speaker 1: Jones and Jonathan Jones on the slot. But now you

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Speaker 1: Jalen Mills to play safety. The other thing I really

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Speaker 1: like is, I don't want to say contrasting styles, but

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Speaker 1: you have these two different styles now in your two

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Speaker 1: the next three years now right with Jack Jones, Marcus Jones,

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Speaker 1: Christian Zalez. Yeah, you have on one side Christian Gonzalez,

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Speaker 1: a lot. He doesn't put up a lot of numbers

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Speaker 1: because he is just taking receivers out of games. He's

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Speaker 1: who's the ballhawk, Who's the guy that is going to

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Speaker 4: And even you know a guy like Kyle Duggar at

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Speaker 1: I think they have a lot of ballhawks right in

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Speaker 1: boundary corner rotation, which is what they really want to

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Speaker 1: have and they have when they're at their peak defensively,

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Speaker 4: I don't know if he's coming off the field, Alex

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Speaker 4: Christian WinCE, he gets here and you see how how

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Speaker 4: good he can play basically anywhere, but especially.

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Speaker 3: On the boundary.

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Speaker 4: I think that this is a guy that why I'm

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Speaker 4: so bullish on this pick is that this is a

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Speaker 4: guy that we have seen it here before. It's Tye Load,

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Speaker 4: Starell Reeves, it's a keep to leave, it's Stefan Gilmour.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to put those type expectations on him,

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Speaker 4: but that's the idea, and I think as a Patriot fan,

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Speaker 4: that's what makes this pick so soothing, like so just okay,

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Speaker 4: like we see what you see not only from the

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Speaker 1: So who's your comp Then you just riled off a

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Speaker 1: You know, this doesn't seem like the kind of boisterous

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I could definitely see that Gilmore com from

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Speaker 4: It's a fair question, and I think the one thing

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Speaker 4: some of the things that I think other people have concerns.

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Speaker 4: I guess my point is is I don't see a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's very different. I'm going to offer another

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Speaker 1: He also jumped Deonte Banks. He also jumped Keiley Ringo.

435
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:45,840
Speaker 1: Like there were a lot of corners people had among

436
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 1: Emanuel Forbes, Cam Smith. So Devin Witherspoon goes fifth. Right, Yeah,

437
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:55,040
Speaker 1: we don't get another corner for eleven picks. Then you

438
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 1: get Emmanuel Forbes at sixteen, Christian Gonzalez seventeen. What I

439
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:03,479
Speaker 1: think happened, And we had speculated this, not to this extent,

440
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 1: but we had speculated this maybe at at a position

441
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 1: like tight end, which I think it's sort of happened

442
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,920
Speaker 1: a tight end as well. There's so much cornerback depth

443
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,520
Speaker 1: in this class that team said, well, wait, why are

444
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 1: we taking Christian Zalez here when we can get Julius

445
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:22,159
Speaker 1: Brentz later. And then what happens is that snowballs because

446
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 1: teams start realizing, wow, okay, if we're sitting here at ten, eleven, twelve,

447
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,440
Speaker 1: and Christian Zalz is still on the board. You know,

448
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,200
Speaker 1: it's gonna push other guys further down, and now maybe

449
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:33,960
Speaker 1: we get a shot a guy like Joey Porter on

450
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,640
Speaker 1: day two, which is gonna be the case, Joey Porter.

451
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 1: What's not going on the first rent is crazy? But

452
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 1: I think the cornerbacks individually were hurt by the talent

453
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 1: of the cornerbacks collectively. I think that so many of

454
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:49,880
Speaker 1: these teams looked at it and said, we're not taking

455
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,159
Speaker 1: a cornerback today. There's so many good there's gonna be

456
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:53,879
Speaker 1: so many go ones on the board tomorrow. We're going

457
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 1: to address another need with a thinner position. And you

458
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,879
Speaker 1: look at the early run on tackles, that's a thin position.

459
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 1: You look at the early like, I don't want to

460
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,400
Speaker 1: say early run, but you had a linebacker go that's

461
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:04,119
Speaker 1: the thin position.

462
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,199
Speaker 4: So that was another thing I was gonna mention that

463
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 4: sort of along the same lines. Quite frankly, some other

464
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 4: teams messed it.

465
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,439
Speaker 1: Up, right, you had two running backs go in the

466
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 1: top twelve. That's gonna push it down.

467
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 4: Some other teams just fed up, all right. Talking to you,

468
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:18,200
Speaker 4: Detroit Lions.

469
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 1: I think they didn't. They didn't screw it up the

470
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 1: most they Detroit.

471
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 3: I think they did that. No, they didn't.

472
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 1: They all right, wait, I want to get running back.

473
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 1: Let me finish my let me finish my let me

474
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,439
Speaker 1: finish my point, and then I want to do this. Yeah,

475
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,880
Speaker 1: I what I think this is Patriots zig Well, everybody

476
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,160
Speaker 1: else SAgs. Everybody else said, there's so much cornerback talent

477
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 1: on the board, we don't need to use a first

478
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 1: round pick to get the guy we want. We're gonna wait.

479
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 1: And so the Patriots said, if everybody else is gonna

480
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,879
Speaker 1: do that, we're going to attack the top of the

481
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 1: board and we're gonna get a player that we probably

482
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,479
Speaker 1: shouldn't get with our pick because nobody's drafting at this

483
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 1: position period. Yeah, brilliantly played. And in terms of the

484
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 1: trade back, I know people like, well, maybe they thought

485
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 1: they'd lose them. You knew the Steelers are taking to tackle.

486
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,159
Speaker 1: The Jets weren't taking a corner. They only risked it

487
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 1: with Washington. But mcrel seemed to suggest they knew Washington

488
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:04,640
Speaker 1: like Forbes.

489
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think everybody knew that Washington like Forbes. I

490
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 4: think the only second guess of the trade down is

491
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 4: once the Jets lost their guy in Rogers Jones, them

492
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 4: trading when somebody leap frogging the Patriots to take Christian

493
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 4: Gonzalez while in that fifteen spot was probably the only.

494
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Speaker 1: But I think you also read that as because they're

495
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 1: trading down for fourteen, they probably knew they know what

496
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 1: teams are trying to come up, right, they know what

497
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 1: teams are trying to come and get the guy. Maybe

498
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 1: the Steelers are the only team they talked to. The

499
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 1: Steelers underpaid to move up. That's very rare. I don't

500
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 1: think there was a lot of demand to move up

501
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 1: into that range in the draft. They may have felt

502
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 1: comfortable that, well, if nobody's calling us here at fourteen,

503
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,919
Speaker 1: who's calling the Jets at fifteen? So they played the board.

504
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 1: Now you want to say they played the board beautifully?

505
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 1: Do you want to say they got lucky? It's probably

506
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 1: a little bit of both. They they played the board

507
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 1: very well. I think they played the board very.

508
00:24:59,040 --> 00:24:59,640
Speaker 3: Played the game.

509
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,879
Speaker 1: Again they did when we used to on our old show, right, yes,

510
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: go to PFF mock draft and go we'd spend fifteen

511
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 1: minutes on a pick, and if we moved down, is

512
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: this and that that's exactly what they did. Yeah, speaking

513
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 1: of what the Jets did, right, they blew it more

514
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 1: than the Lions.

515
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 4: So I want to talk about that in a second,

516
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 4: just to wrap up what you were saying there.

517
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 1: And again the whole point if you want it to

518
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 1: read it ninety five the Sports of dot Com.

519
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 4: I think that the main thing that that they had

520
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 4: to have seen or looked at or felt was there

521
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,640
Speaker 4: had to have been another player or two that.

522
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 3: Brand class.

523
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 4: Worst case scenario, somebody slides into fifteen and trades out

524
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,919
Speaker 4: with the Jets and sweep swoops in and takes Christian

525
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,679
Speaker 4: Gonzales out from under you. Whether it was Deontay Banks,

526
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 4: whether it was pivoting to another position and taking a

527
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 4: guy like JSN, they had to have been a plan B.

528
00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 4: And that's a question that I think you have to

529
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 4: weigh in these situations, is would you be okay with

530
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 4: Deontay Banks and the one hundred and twentieth overall pick

531
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 4: in the trade down and not getting your guy in

532
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 4: Christian Gonzalas Now, it ended up working out right, So

533
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 4: we all this second guessing and all this what if

534
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 4: really doesn't make a difference. But that was I think

535
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 4: what those are the conversations that go on. We know

536
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,880
Speaker 4: those are the conversations that go on. And whether it

537
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 4: was Banks or JSN had a different guy at a

538
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 4: different position, I think it was Banks personally. Yeah, he

539
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 4: just seems like such a patriot player, and they were

540
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 4: going corner. I think Banks was their plan B. And

541
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 4: then he also went to the Giants, which I think

542
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 4: that they have some similar thinking in a way that

543
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 4: they do things. So I think that Banks was probably

544
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 4: their plan B. And I think ultimately they they were

545
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 4: okay with either guy. Now, they obviously had Christian Gonzales

546
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 4: rated higher. That's why they took Gonzales and not Banks,

547
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 4: because they're both available at seventeen, and they took Gonzales.

548
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,439
Speaker 1: I would say they got that one right.

549
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 4: I would say they got it right as well. And

550
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna sit here and give

551
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,199
Speaker 4: them all this credit for playing the game correctly and

552
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 4: having it all work out in their favor. But the

553
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 4: one thing that I really want to give them credit

554
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 4: for is they fed the Jets, and I I am

555
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 4: always fine with fing the Jets.

556
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 3: That's it.

557
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 4: And it was fantastic to watch in real time because

558
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 4: you saw it coming and you knew the Jets wanted

559
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 4: Broderick Jones. They needed tackle tackle tackle tackle all off

560
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 4: season for the Jets. Was the position in the draft.

561
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 4: Darneld right gone to Chicago as we dar what would

562
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 4: we'll talk about that in the second Broderick Jones going

563
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 4: at fourteen to Pittsburgh with the Patriots knowing that that

564
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 4: was the Jets guy.

565
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 3: That was the icing on the cake of that one.

566
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 4: That was the sherry on top of the Sunday for

567
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,360
Speaker 4: the Patriots. And then the Jets, as you just mentioned,

568
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 4: not only did they not get their guy in roder Jones,

569
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 4: they panicked draft Will McDonald like.

570
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 1: They panicked, right, That's what I said last night.

571
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 3: Fifteen picks early.

572
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: So my theory was because they had like what I

573
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: think forty two, forty three right, Yes, my theory was

574
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: they lost their guy at fourteen, right, and they were like,

575
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 1: who do we have next? Well, this is the guy,

576
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: We're gonna take it, forty two whatever, take him out

577
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: like that kind of thing, right where they didn't have

578
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: a plan be at fourteen, so they just had to

579
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 1: go to the forty second pick. I'd Will McDonald as

580
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: my eighth edge guy on the board, not on the boards.

581
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: Some of the guys had gone. I had him eighth overall.

582
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 1: I had Nolan Smith ahead of him, which Nolan Smith fell.

583
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: I was very surprised by that. I Nolan Smith ahead

584
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: of him. I had Miles Murphy ahead of him. I

585
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: had at a Bar ahead of him. I had Zoma

586
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: ahead of him.

587
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 3: Van Ness was ahead of him, but he was off the.

588
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: He was off the board. I well know, I'm talking

589
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: about the guys that didn't go.

590
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 3: Think I had it.

591
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: I had key On White ahead of him too.

592
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 3: I had.

593
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 4: I had McDonald up there because what I liked about

594
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 4: his game was he has a lot of tools in

595
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 4: the toolbox. He's got a bunch of different pass rush

596
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 4: moves that are really effective.

597
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 3: But doubt I thought he.

598
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 4: Was an end of the first round and early second

599
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 4: round guy. And this is the thing that I will

600
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 4: give Bill Belichick a little bit of credit.

601
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 3: For because.

602
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 4: As much as it would have pained all of us,

603
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 4: Bill Belichick in the spot that the Jets were in

604
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 4: last night, Bill Belichick trades down.

605
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 3: He says, yeah, nothing you can do.

606
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 4: You know that they took our guy a pick ahead

607
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 4: of us, and and you say, Oh, how do you

608
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 4: know that, Evan. They did this when Justin Jefferson got

609
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 4: drafted by Minnesota. Right, so instead of reaching on Kyle

610
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 4: Dugger in the first round, when Minnesota took Justin Jefferson,

611
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 4: the Patriots traded out of their pick and they went

612
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 4: down to the next tier and they took their second

613
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 4: round guy a little bit early.

614
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: Here's what I wonder, round was that option not there

615
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: for the Jets. Nobody wanted to trade last night, nobody

616
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: wanted to trade. I wonder if the Jets got stuck.

617
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Jets might have gotten stuck, in which case

618
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 3: I I but.

619
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 4: Just well, but here's my other question about it. Everybody

620
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 4: has just been and rightfully so. They kicked the Jets

621
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 4: hit the draft out last year out of the park. Yeah,

622
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 4: they had the best draft in the league. Now the

623
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 4: Jets are back to be in the Jets.

624
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 3: It's great to see the Jets be the Jets again.

625
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: Where here's the other thing about it. Even if he

626
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: was the guy at forty two, even if they took

627
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: him at forty two, where's he playing? Bradley and Na

628
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: Michael Clements, John Franklin, Myers, Jermaine Johnson, Carl Lawson. Where

629
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: are the staffs?

630
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, he just they just drafted Jermaine Johnson last year

631
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 4: and that was the steal of the draft last year

632
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 4: because he felt like Nolan Smith fell, there was gonna

633
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 4: be one edge guy. I thought it might have been

634
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 4: because there's some rumors about injury with Tyree Wilson. Yeah,

635
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 4: and he did fall further. I think a lot of

636
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 4: people had him at two. Yeah, and he failed at seven.

637
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: Because the Texans got it right, right, I thought Van

638
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: Ness was gonna fall.

639
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I knew one of the edge guys was

640
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 4: gonna fall. And then obviously the Jets took McDonald instead

641
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 4: of Nolan Smith and that that really caused Nolan Smith

642
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 4: fall even further.

643
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: Weird pick weird weird. So that's why, because say what

644
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: you will about the Lions draft positionally, Yeah, at the

645
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: end of the day of the NFL draft is about

646
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: adding good players. And both of those guys are good.

647
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: Now you can say their skill set is antiquated. Come on,

648
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: Jamior gives a good football player. You can't sit here.

649
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 3: They took Jamiir Gibbs with DeAndre Swift and David.

650
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: Trading DeAndre Swift.

651
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 4: Okay, so they still had three two capable running backs

652
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 4: on the roster. They were a top five rushing team

653
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 4: last year. Yeah, without needing Jamir Gibz. No, it's a

654
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 4: bizarre pick. It's a bizarre pick, but.

655
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 3: It's it's a you know what it is. It's Dan Campbell.

656
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 4: It's it's the kneecaps his draft right, and he he

657
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 4: goes in there and he takes a running back and

658
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 4: an inside mike linebacker like it's nineteen ninety five, and

659
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 4: he thinks he just.

660
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: Supposedly, supposedly they were gonna take Gibbs at six, and

661
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: then the Cardinals called them. Yeah, so they're gonna ta

662
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: Gibbs ahead of Bijon. They added to good football players. Now,

663
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: you can say that their skill sets are antiquated, but yeah,

664
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: I see how well. I see what Jack Campbell's role

665
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: is gonna be. You can tell me that his role

666
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: is dated, but I know what his role is gonna be.

667
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: I know what he's gonna do for them. I don't

668
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: really know what Jamir Gibbs is gonna do. But Ben

669
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: Johnson is a wizard, and I'll give him the benefit

670
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: of the doubt. That's my thing. Even if I don't

671
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: love the player if I understand, If I can, it's

672
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,239
Speaker 1: what you talking about, Christian Salez. I can see what

673
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: the plan is for the Lions.

674
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 3: You don't have to.

675
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: Agree with the plan. It's a bad plan, Okay, you

676
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: can think it's a bad plan, but there's a plan.

677
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 4: It's a good roster and it's a good's sharp and

678
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 4: coming team and they had an opportunity to really get better,

679
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 4: get better and they but but here's that.

680
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: There is a plan. You can see the plan. You

681
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: might not agree with the plan, you can see the plan.

682
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: What is the plan for Will McDonald in New York? Yeah,

683
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: he's not gonna play, or Jermaine Johnson's not gonna play,

684
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: or what are they gonna bench John Franklin Myers, Well.

685
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 4: John Franklin Myers is more of an end, like a

686
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 4: hand in the dirt end. I think Will McDonald is

687
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 4: is a two point pass rusher right like he's a

688
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 4: he's a josh Ujay. He's not as explosive as I

689
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 4: don't think there. I wouldn't pro comparison him to josh Uja.

690
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 4: But his role is going to be.

691
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: They have so many guys in that mold and they

692
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: just add like what is the point.

693
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 4: I don't know the I don't know it was a

694
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 4: head scratcher. I I quite frankly, I think the other

695
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 4: team that was a big head scratcher for me last night,

696
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 4: the Chicago Bears taking Darnell Right that early.

697
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 3: That was early.

698
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 4: Now I understand that there is some football character concerns.

699
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 4: I think is how it continues to get labeled on

700
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 4: Brodrick Jones. So maybe he wasn't squeaky clean for them

701
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 4: to take Roderick Jones with that pick. I like Darnell

702
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 4: Right a lot, but he's a player that is a

703
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 4: right tackle. There's no way he's playing on the left side.

704
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 4: And secondly, he's a guy that still has some things

705
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 4: to work out in his game. He lunges forward out

706
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 4: of his stands, he ducks his head into contact, there's

707
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 4: just some technical thing. I think Darnell Right's going to

708
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 4: be a solid NFL pro. When you're picking what was

709
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 4: that there at tenth overall, right after they made that trade.

710
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 4: A tenth overall and a draft, you're not just trying

711
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 4: to get a guy that you that you're just gonna

712
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 4: plug in and be like, Okay, this guy's an average

713
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,280
Speaker 4: to an above average starter. You want somebody that's gonna

714
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 4: be a pillar, a franchise type player. And not only

715
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 4: did I don't, I don't think that talent is there

716
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 4: for him. He's also on the right side, so it's

717
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 4: not even really the true premium position on the line.

718
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 4: So I thought that pick was a little bit of

719
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 4: a head scratch. Nobody outdid the Lions for me. Besides me,

720
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 4: I agree with the Jets draft of Will McDon.

721
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: The Lions draft was weirder. The Lions draft was weirder,

722
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: But the Jets draft the Jets drafts. What's the upside?

723
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: The Jet draft is no upside. The Jets are the

724
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: same team today that they were yesterday. The Lions got better?

725
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: Now did they get better at the right things?

726
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 3: Did they get better? They did? Question?

727
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: We just know they're better against the run in between

728
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: the tackles.

729
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 4: But we know what we know about football at the

730
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 4: stage is that those two positions inside linebacker and running

731
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,399
Speaker 4: back make your team significantly better.

732
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 3: So they don't move the needle.

733
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: What I said was the Lions got better? Did they

734
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 1: get better at things that matter? Is the question?

735
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 3: The paper?

736
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: They got better. They're better at defending the run in

737
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: between the tackles, and they got faster, deeper in the backfield,

738
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,760
Speaker 1: and they added a legit receiving option out of the backfield.

739
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 1: Do those two things matter? Like, to what extent do

740
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: they matter? I don't know. What did the Jets get

741
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: better at last night?

742
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 4: That's fair, I just don't That's where the Jets gonna

743
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 4: unless they one of those tackles fell to them.

744
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 3: It was going to be tough for the Jets.

745
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: I think, I see, well, you could trade back and

746
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: add future assets. Now you're better equip to me.

747
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 3: Might be.

748
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: There was also one rumor out there that they wanted

749
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: to reunite JSN with Garrett Garrett Wilson. That would have

750
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: been a really good pick.

751
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would have been a good pick.

752
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,720
Speaker 1: That would have scared me. That would have scared especially

753
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 1: with Rogers with his ball placement. That Like, I was

754
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 1: sure the Jets were taking JSN. There.

755
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 4: So the last thing I want to talk about, and

756
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 4: then we can start to segue into day two and

757
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 4: take some of the calls and things like that.

758
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, the wide receiver run.

759
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 4: As soon as Jays went off the board at twenty

760
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 4: I actually said to Paul, I said, well, here come

761
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 4: all the receivers, right, and the next four picks were

762
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 4: wide receivers. So we have jsn Za Flowers, Quentin Johnston,

763
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 4: and Jordan Addison.

764
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 3: I think I messed up Zay and Quentin Johnson.

765
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, Quin Johnson went before, but regardless, those four guys

766
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 4: went in four straight picks. So two things about this

767
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 4: that and then we're gonna turn it into day two here.

768
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 3: One. I think it's really interesting.

769
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 4: We talked about this a lot on the show, our

770
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 4: preview show right before the draft. Would the league, would

771
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 4: the league adjust to the fact that this receiver class

772
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 4: is kind of stinky?

773
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: Oh so now you admit that, would they adjust?

774
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 4: Or would the position value and all these other things

775
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 4: about wide receivers nowadays just push.

776
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 3: A good but.

777
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 4: I would say a great but not elite prospect in

778
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,959
Speaker 4: jsn up into the to ten overall where some people

779
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 4: had him or eleven or twelve, you know, something like that,

780
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 4: and Zay Flowers. You know, where was Zay Flowers going

781
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 4: to go? It did as pumped up as I was

782
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 4: about Christian Gonzales. Seeing Day Flowers go to Baltimore did

783
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 4: break my heart a little bit.

784
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 1: I saw you got greedy, you got a little greedy.

785
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:21,280
Speaker 3: I got a little bit greedy.

786
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: You got a little greedy.

787
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 4: I thought maybe we were we were going to be

788
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 4: on the phone to trade back up if he if

789
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 4: he slid to like thirty or thirty.

790
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: One, I mean, if he did, maybe they would have.

791
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 3: Maybe they would have.

792
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 4: So it's interesting that the league did adjust to this

793
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 4: receiver class. With that being said, those were the four

794
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 4: guys that were the talked about first rounders in this class,

795
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 4: and guys that I think went where they should probably

796
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 4: would have gone in a lot of drafts. Quite frankly,

797
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 4: you know, you would have had somebody or two or

798
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 4: three guys in the top twenty, you know, a DeVante

799
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 4: Smith level prospect, a Jamar Chase level prospect that in

800
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 4: normal drafts would have gone ahead of them. Right, But

801
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 4: Jaysn being the twenty overall pick makes sense. That's where

802
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 4: he probably would have gone last year obviously. So now

803
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 4: the question is for the Patriots, but.

804
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: What do you've gone behind two running backs?

805
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good question. Now we look into tonight

806
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 4: and Day two.

807
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: One thing on the receivers first, So I thought was

808
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: really interesting. Three of the four the landing spots are

809
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: like perfect. Yeah, I think JSN Seattle's going to have

810
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 1: a young quarterback at some point in the near future.

811
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: I don't think, you know Smith, like it was a

812
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: fun story last year. I don't think he's the long

813
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 1: term option.

814
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 4: I do wonder with Tyler Lockett, like how how they

815
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 4: worked that out, But that's I think Tyler Lockett's like thirty,

816
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 4: I know, but I just mean, like in the short term,

817
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 4: I think that was the first world problem. I'm just

818
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 4: I also think that was more pick for they're gonna

819
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 4: be the market for a quarterback next year, and that

820
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 4: was more Our rookie quarterback in twenty twenty four is

821
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 4: going to have a very quarterback friendly wide receiver with

822
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 4: NFL experience, Like I like to pick an out guard.

823
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 3: They could be taken Hendon Hooker tonight. So or that

824
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 3: Will Levis.

825
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: That's or Will Levis.

826
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we didn't talk about that.

827
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: We don't need to. I've said my piece. By the way,

828
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: I was work, you were right, I was right. Thank you.

829
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: Uh Zay Flowers and Baltimore Chef's kiss just outstanding. It's

830
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: such a good fit Evan, and they're gonna do so

831
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 1: much weird stuff with him and Lamar. You know, like

832
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: scheme stuff and design touches.

833
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 4: Be my two favorite players in the league on the

834
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 4: same team, and I'm not gonna become a Ravens fan.

835
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 4: Don't worry everybody, Okay, but Lamar Jackson and Zay Flowers

836
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 4: on the same team.

837
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: You're gonna put on that after week, when you're gonna

838
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 1: put on that all twenty two, you're gonna light some

839
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: candles down the lights. It's gonna be nice. That's gonna

840
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: be really fun, just to leave me alone for an hour. Look,

841
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, just can't be there for that. I

842
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: think Jordan Addison with the Vikings also makes a lot

843
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: of sense because the thing with Jordan Addison, to me,

844
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: he's a really really really good number two. Yeah, I

845
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 1: don't know that he's ever going to be that like

846
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: carrying receiver, but yeah, Vikings don't have to worry about that.

847
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,280
Speaker 1: Now we would assume they're gonna they're gonna pay uh

848
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson, and so.

849
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 4: You can see a little bit not he's not Justin Jefferson,

850
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 4: but they are of similar ilk of receiver.

851
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 3: I would say, well, well.

852
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: I would say the other thing is Jordan Addison might

853
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: be the luckiest player of any player who went in

854
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: the first round because he is going to see single

855
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: coverage his entire c.

856
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 4: Well, jys N's got DK Metcalf on the outside, so

857
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 4: he's gonna have that.

858
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: It's true. Yeah, but yeah, they're different kinds of players though, Like, yeah,

859
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: you know, so not only you can put a shiftier

860
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: guy on JSN because you're not putting the shifty guy

861
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: in DK Metcalf, the corner you'd have covering Jordan Addison,

862
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: you're putting on Justin Jefferson. So the only one I

863
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 1: don't get is Quinn Johnston. They have a bunch of

864
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 1: guys like that. They need a slot, they need a

865
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: smaller guy. Maybe this means that Keenan Allen or Mike

866
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: Williams will become available in the near future.

867
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 3: Just signed Mike Williams. I think that this is that

868
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 3: was a weird one. I think this is.

869
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 4: Them knowing that Keenan Allen's days are numbered. Probably the

870
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 4: league in general, I think, honestly, because that guy gets

871
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 4: hurt a lot, and like soft tissue stuff. It's not

872
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,240
Speaker 4: like he tears you know, ACL's or achilles, But it's

873
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,800
Speaker 4: a hamstring poll here, it's a quad bruise there and

874
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 4: he misses game and things like that. So I think

875
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 4: they knew that or felt like they really needed another guy,

876
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 4: UH to offset Mike Williams and prepare for an inevitable

877
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 4: Keenan Allen three weeks out because he pulled a hammy right,

878
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 4: that sort of injury. But it was interesting that they

879
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 4: decided to go with a different that same body type

880
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 4: of Mike Williams. Now they just have two big, explosive

881
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 4: outside guys. Maybe they view Quentin Johnson as like a

882
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 4: guy that can move around a little bit more than

883
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 4: the rest of us too. I don't know, you know,

884
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 4: we'll we'll see what they end up.

885
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: That was the only one of the four. I was like,

886
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: what what are they thinking here?

887
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 3: All right?

888
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: So also, Antonio Brown just tweeted a picture of himself

889
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 1: in a Ravens jersey. Okay, Antonio Brown him and save Flowers.

890
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: So let's get into UH into day two here, and

891
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: I'll take Patty is on hold for us and UH

892
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,720
Speaker 1: and we'll get into some of our favorites on day two. Patty,

893
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 1: how you feeling, Patty?

894
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 2: I am feeling fine today, but I'll tell you what

895
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,919
Speaker 2: I wasn't yesterday. I know, I said I was gonna

896
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 2: call him to Peu, but uh yeah, actually three games

897
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 2: a little too hard and passed out like right around

898
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 2: pick eight or nine. And I didn't wait up till

899
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 2: three thirty in the morning and bed and saying, what

900
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 2: how the hell did I get here? You know? But yeah,

901
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take it easy tonight. And this most of

902
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 2: the drafts, but uh I did. I mean, you guys

903
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 2: know where I was going with ay how I wanted them,

904
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 2: But I love the Christian Gazales pick and to me,

905
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 2: this is I mean, it just completely solidifies the back

906
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 2: end of their defense. I think there's so much they

907
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 2: can do now, Like there's you know, you could you

908
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 2: could play Galen at free safety, you could play Jonathan

909
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 2: Jones at free safety. You could switch them up. You

910
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 2: could have both of those guys back there. But it's

911
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 2: just I mean, perfect guy, perfect fit. He can't wait

912
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 2: to see like him grow into the role events that

913
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 2: true number one shut down corner. And I'm hoping today

914
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 2: that they package up and they go get ournelt Washington.

915
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 2: If they get those two guys to be this, I mean,

916
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 2: I'm getting the twenty ten When they took Devin mccordy

917
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 2: and drunk in the first and second round, respectively. And

918
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 2: I can't I can't wait to see what they what

919
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 2: they're gonna do today. I was completely impressed. I just

920
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 2: hope I don't get letdown. Yeah, and getting let down

921
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 2: will be taking will levit. No, I don't want to.

922
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 2: I don't want no part of that guy.

923
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 3: I don't think that's that's all I got.

924
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 2: Thanks, sorry, go ahead.

925
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 3: No, No, I just don't. I don't think I think

926
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 3: Levis is. I think quarterback in general is.

927
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 4: Maybe once we get into day three, we start talking quarterbacks,

928
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 4: it sounds pretty that pretty evident that quarterback is off

929
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 4: the board in the first three.

930
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: Jeremy Fowlers reporting the Patriots were one of the teams

931
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: aggressively trying to trade back into the first round last night.

932
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 3: There you go.

933
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 1: So maybe that was a before he came off the board.

934
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 1: Maybe it was I got some theories A guy they're

935
00:43:58,840 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: moving up to get. Now you gonna share?

936
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, I canna share him, Patty, Thanks for the call, buddy,

937
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 4: appreciate it. Don't drink too much tonight.

938
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: And uh, that would have been that would have been

939
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: weird to wake up from, like I would have thought

940
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 1: I was still passed out. They got Christians aust at seventeen.

941
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm still slight straight up.

942
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 1: What uh, this isn't a dream, right, We're awake.

943
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

944
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 4: So But with that, but let's talk about some of

945
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 4: our favorite guys tonight that the Patriots could go and get.

946
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 4: I think there's some obvious safe picks tonight that probably

947
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 4: wouldn't get everybody all jazzed up, like a receiver at

948
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 4: tight ender or a wide receiver. I think both could

949
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 4: fit at tonight. With what's still on the board, I

950
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 4: think there are a few tackles that are worth talking

951
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 4: about that are not guys that are gonna, like I

952
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 4: just said, necessarily make everybody a jump for joy. But

953
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 4: a guy like Matthew burs or On maybe in the

954
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 4: third round tonight, somebody like Tyler Steen Blake Freeland from

955
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 4: BYU still on the board. I think a couple of

956
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 4: those tackles are guys that you I think could probably

957
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 4: play as rookies if they had to. Maybe they're more

958
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 4: pushed to guys that are starters. After Thanksgiving this year

959
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 4: and then into next year, you go in thinking you

960
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 4: have a starter. My guy, Nick Saldevari from old dominion, like,

961
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 4: I think he's another one in the third round tomorrow tonight,

962
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 4: excuse me, like late tonight. But at the top of

963
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 4: the second round, there is a route Alex for them

964
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 4: to just take this draft and hit it onto lands

965
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 4: down Street.

966
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 3: And I think it's two guys.

967
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,760
Speaker 1: For me, I have a three player wishless and a half.

968
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 1: It's three and a half, three or four. It's three.

969
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: It's three. Well, no, okay, so it's four. Brian Branch

970
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: is a really good player.

971
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 3: That's a good point.

972
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,839
Speaker 1: But are they going to go back to back defensive back?

973
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 2: Right?

974
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: Like I don't want to say I don't want them

975
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: to take Brian Branch, but that would be like I

976
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 1: don't want to say weird, you know what I mean. Yes,

977
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: So he's not on my wish list because it's just

978
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: they're not going to take another defensive back.

979
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 3: So here's the thing. So it's so it's three, it's

980
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 3: plays before we get into names. Yeah, quickly, you mentioned that.

981
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 4: Jeremy Fowler reports the Patriots are trying to trade back

982
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 4: into the first round last night. I one hundred and

983
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,240
Speaker 4: ten percent believe it for two reasons. One them getting

984
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 4: that extra fourth round pick, was not a was not

985
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 4: a fluke like that was not just a oh, we'll

986
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 4: just take this. Was a plan calculated move in my opinion,

987
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 4: because the second reason being.

988
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 3: The league doesn't like the draft.

989
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 4: No, the league doesn't like the draft, and in particular,

990
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 4: I don't think the league thinks the draft is at

991
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 4: all deep, Like you're that thing drops off steeply outside

992
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 4: the top one hundred this year, to the point where

993
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 4: I think Phil Perry was on your station saying that

994
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 4: he heard that specialists might start coming off the board

995
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:45,240
Speaker 4: in the fourth round.

996
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,240
Speaker 3: Oh be fun, because at that point.

997
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 4: People are just like, we're not getting any starters or

998
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 4: any guys that project as starters for us down the road,

999
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 4: So let's just take the punter here instead of waiting

1000
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 4: around or two for the punter. So the Patriots have

1001
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 4: eleven more draft selections, they want to consolidate picks, they

1002
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,760
Speaker 4: don't want to let they don't want a twelve person

1003
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 4: draft class, and why not be aggressive in a draft

1004
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 4: that right now is really where the sweet spot of

1005
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 4: the draft is. And if they want to hit a

1006
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 4: grand slam onto Landsdown Street tonight, I think there are

1007
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 4: two guys that fit that bill for me, now that

1008
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 4: they went defense in round one. One of them is

1009
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 4: Josh Downs from UNC, and that picture is out on

1010
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 4: the internet now of there was a UNC game on

1011
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 4: a laptop in the Patriots war room last night, and

1012
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 4: it would make sense that if it was then maybe

1013
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 4: it be him. I think there's some other guys if

1014
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 4: you want to play Devil's advocate. Somebody that had a

1015
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 4: really really good game against the UNC last year who

1016
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 4: I think might be on their list is Isaiah Foski

1017
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 4: from Notre Dame had a great film against UNC last year.

1018
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 4: But Josh Downs is We've been talking about him for

1019
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 4: months as Day two Day Flowers, right, he is very

1020
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 4: very similar in skill set. I don't think he's quite

1021
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 4: as dynamic with the football in his hands after the

1022
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 4: catch as Day Flowers is, but he does a lot

1023
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 4: of the same things as Zay. He's sneaky fast for

1024
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 4: a slot receiver. He's got that jitterbug quickness at the

1025
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 4: first and second level to create separation and get open.

1026
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 4: He would be a Wes Welker Julian Edelman type of selection,

1027
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 4: like that type of idea for Bill O'Brien, which we

1028
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 4: know in Bill O'Brien's offense. I'll keep stressing it. Quickness

1029
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 4: is key. Quickness wins in this offense. Guys that can

1030
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,839
Speaker 4: get open quickly at the top of the route are

1031
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 4: always going to succeed in Bill O'Brien's offense. So guy

1032
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 4: like Josh Downs and I've really come around at this

1033
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 4: point to Darnell Washington because with Darnel Washington and Christian Gonzales,

1034
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 4: you have two of the specimens of the draft, two

1035
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,280
Speaker 4: of the best athletes at their positions in the draft,

1036
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 4: two of the best athletes overall, I think in the draft,

1037
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 4: and now you have a chance. A Patt mentioned it

1038
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 4: a Devin mccordy, Rob Gronkowski formula, Like, that's the idea

1039
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 4: that twenty ten draft the top the top two picks.

1040
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 4: If you hit on both of those players, then you

1041
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 4: just hit on two as Bill Parcells would call it,

1042
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 4: planet guys, right, you just hit on two guys that

1043
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,439
Speaker 4: can really change the way that things go. I hope

1044
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,720
Speaker 4: it's a pass catcher tonight. I think that it calls

1045
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 4: for a pass catcher because some of these tight ends lasted. Right,

1046
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 4: Michael Meyer didn't go in the first round, right, Dalon

1047
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 4: Kinkaid was the only tight end to go in the first.

1048
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: Round, and the Bill said they drafted Hims a receiver.

1049
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, and in the wide receivers once you get past

1050
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 4: like Mingo and Tillman, and you know, maybe some of

1051
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 4: the slots. I think you're really starting to talk about

1052
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 4: complimentary guys and guys that are going to be third

1053
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 4: and fourth receivers in the league, and not necessarily even

1054
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 4: a one or two. So I think Josh Downs, I

1055
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 4: think Mingo. Those are two guys that I really look

1056
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 4: at tonight as impact potential at that spot because of

1057
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 4: downs His craftiness and Mingo's athleticism. So those are those

1058
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 4: are the three guys I'm looking at.

1059
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 3: Mingo.

1060
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 4: I'll add in because I'll give my list of three

1061
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 4: Mingo Downs Washington, I'm okay with a tackle, but I

1062
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 4: think you can wait on tackle until the third and

1063
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:17,399
Speaker 4: fourth round.

1064
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: So I just think in terms of like specifically trading

1065
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: up from forty six, three guys, i'd like to see

1066
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: them go get Darnault Washington. Yeah, like you said, generational player,

1067
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: planet player. He gives them something they don't have. He

1068
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: ad like people say, why not Michael Mayer. I don't

1069
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 1: know that Michael Mayer really adds anything. Maybe he's.

1070
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 4: I think he's Hunter Henry who can block right, so

1071
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 4: like as a receiver, he's a lot like Hunter Henry.

1072
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, Darnaut Washington's just different. Josh Downs is on there, yea.

1073
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 1: And then I know you said you don't want to tackle.

1074
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: If they move up and get Thewan Jones, I'm gonna

1075
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: be pretty happy.

1076
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1077
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 1: I forgot he was because he's like again, it's that

1078
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 1: kind of thing where he's just a different kind of player.

1079
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:53,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1080
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: Right, And if they can get him lock up. I

1081
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: know he's a right tackle, not a left tackle, but

1082
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: you lock up that right tackle spot long term, you're

1083
00:50:59,440 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: in pretty good.

1084
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1085
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: You get him in the building to learn from Trent

1086
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 1: Brown for a year, I'd fel pretty good about that.

1087
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with that. I would put Dewan Jones

1088
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 4: on a short list as well. Those are just three guys.

1089
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,760
Speaker 4: I guess Darnell Washington and Dwan Jones are two guys.

1090
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 4: I think Downs is just a great scheme fit and

1091
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 4: would just be a really good player here because of

1092
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,839
Speaker 4: the skill set. But Dewan Jones and Darnell, right, those

1093
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 4: are just two specimens. They're just different human beings than

1094
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 4: some other people in this draft. I think Mingo's like

1095
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 4: the poor version of that, Like he's in that category. Two,

1096
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 4: there's not a whole lot of guys at two hundred

1097
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 4: and twenty pounds that run four four to six like

1098
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 4: that's that's moving for that size. So I think those

1099
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 4: three guys in terms of athletic profiles, really reach a

1100
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 4: different level. There are some of those edge guys that

1101
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 4: are still hanging around. We've talked to edge before, maybe

1102
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 4: in the first round because they met with all those

1103
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,479
Speaker 4: edge guys in the in the thirty visits, a guy

1104
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,879
Speaker 4: like Isaiah Foski, who I just mentioned Keon White, who

1105
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 4: I feel really bad for because all of us could

1106
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 4: have told the NFL that Keon White wasn't going last night,

1107
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,800
Speaker 4: and they still invited him to the draft for some reason,

1108
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 4: and the poor guy has to sit there in the

1109
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 4: room and look like a moron. So Keon White, I think,

1110
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 4: not my guy in this draft, but somebody that maybe

1111
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 4: they would be interested in if they wanted to go

1112
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 4: in that direction. But I truly feel like now there's

1113
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 4: enough depth in this edge class that you know, a

1114
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 4: Shrine Bowl guy like Tyres Whet in the fourth rounds

1115
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 4: like they let's just take care of it then, but

1116
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 4: a tackle receiver and I put tight end and wide

1117
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 4: receiver and you know as pass catchers playmakers. That that's

1118
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 4: where I think they have to go because at this point,

1119
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 4: you got your corner.

1120
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 3: It was in need.

1121
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,280
Speaker 4: It lined up perfectly, need and talent on the board.

1122
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 4: It was right, you know, right in the wheelhouse to

1123
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 4: take a corner. Now you gotta go and put some

1124
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 4: points on the board. You gotta find a way to

1125
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 4: help Mac Jones out and Bill O'Brien out and get

1126
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 4: them some some weapons and some guys that they can

1127
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 4: move around and they can use in the passing game

1128
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 4: a little bit. What else do you see them doing tech,

1129
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 4: because I see some trades, a lot of trade oh yeah,

1130
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 4: and I think that they might end up actually trading up,

1131
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 4: not once, but maybe even twice. Like I wouldn't roll

1132
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 4: out a trade up from forty six and a trade

1133
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 4: up from seventy six, or maybe they do that. Not

1134
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,760
Speaker 4: a great example of the player, but just this trade itself,

1135
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 4: the Dalton kincaid of the two fourth rounders to move

1136
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 4: back into the third round to get one more pick tonight.

1137
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 4: I think all those things are on the table, but

1138
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 4: the trade up from forty six seems like it might

1139
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 4: be almost a lock at this point. I'd be surprised

1140
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 4: if that didn't happen.

1141
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 1: I'd like to see so I think the trade up

1142
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: from forty six is happening. I would like to see

1143
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 1: if they can add a top one hundred picks. So

1144
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: they have two right now, right forty six and seventy six,

1145
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 1: can they somehow add one more? Right? You said two

1146
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 1: fourths for a third or something like that. Yep, they

1147
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 1: don't need four fourth round picks and four six round picks.

1148
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: They got to package some of those and and create

1149
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 1: a top one hundred pick that doesn't currently exist.

1150
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm with you on that. Is there anybody else

1151
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 4: that maybe you don't Well, you mentioned Brian Branch. I

1152
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 4: think that's a good conversation to have quickly before we

1153
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 4: wrap here. Brian Branch is a player that some team

1154
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 4: is going to ignore that the combine wasn't great for him, right,

1155
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 4: and just take a really good football player. And if

1156
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 4: you put Brian Branch in this secondary, it might not

1157
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 4: be a real immediate need, but it feels like your secondary,

1158
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 4: especially if you can keep Kyle Duggar here with Dougger,

1159
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 4: the Joneses, Gonzales and Branch, Like, that's the secondary that

1160
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:40,399
Speaker 4: you can have together, kind of like that secondary with mccordy. Yeah,

1161
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 4: Harman and Ryan and all the Rutgers guys that was

1162
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,359
Speaker 4: together for so long and did such a great job here.

1163
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 1: I just if they had taken JSN or not a corner, Yeah,

1164
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: fourteen or seventeen or whatever. Right we're sitting here today,

1165
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: Brian Branch is a no brainer, Like that's going to

1166
00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 1: be their pick. Yeah, So that's why I can't get

1167
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: away for like he makes them a better team. He does,

1168
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 1: and he's definitely a fit for them, like a prototypical

1169
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: fit for them. It's just a matter of are they

1170
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: really going to use their first two picks, their two

1171
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: top fifty picks on the same position, Yeah, in a

1172
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 1: position that I know we said corner was a need

1173
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: coming in. It's not like that kind of need.

1174
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:20,919
Speaker 3: I think. So I agree with you.

1175
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 4: I think that if they drafted Brian Branch, they'd view

1176
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 4: him as a safety, right, And I think that ultimately,

1177
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 4: you know, we talked about this when Devin McCarty officially retired,

1178
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 4: losing a guy like Devin mccorty. Look, they have great

1179
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 4: safeties already, yeah, Doug er Phillips, Peppers, but losing a

1180
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 4: guy like Devin McCarty.

1181
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 3: Is it's a lot.

1182
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,280
Speaker 4: It's a lot to replace, not only on the field

1183
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 4: just from a schematic skill set perspective, but he essentially

1184
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 4: lost a coach as well back there, and I think

1185
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 4: Brian Branch from a skill set standpoint at least could

1186
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:55,839
Speaker 4: come in and do a lot of the same things

1187
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 4: that Devin mccorty did for your secondary. I don't know

1188
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 4: if he's like a true center field. I don't know

1189
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:03,359
Speaker 4: if he's that, but he's somebody that has the flexibility

1190
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 4: to play deep or play in the slot and come

1191
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 4: down in the box a little bit like Devin used

1192
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 4: to do at times at that cornerback background. I think

1193
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 4: that he's got a lot of things that they would

1194
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,839
Speaker 4: really love, and I'm sure Saban had to have loved

1195
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 4: him because he put a ton of mental responsibility on

1196
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 4: Brian Branch's plate. You know, he played that star role

1197
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 4: in Saban's defense, which is, you know, the make of

1198
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 4: Fitzpatrick role, the Brian Branch role, Like that's a huge

1199
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 4: role for Nick Saban and I think that that's the

1200
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 4: guy that the Patriots just have to from a football

1201
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 4: he's a football player. He's not an athlete in spandex

1202
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:39,280
Speaker 4: in Indie, but he's just a playing football player. And lastly,

1203
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 4: before we go quarterback and can you could take your

1204
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 4: Will Levis victory lap, I'm gonna give it to you.

1205
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 4: I'm gonna serve it up to you right now to

1206
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:51,399
Speaker 4: take a Will Levis victory rap. And I just want

1207
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:53,839
Speaker 4: to briefly, I think we both have sort of heard

1208
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 4: a little bit about what the heck has happened last

1209
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 4: night for Will Levis, who did not go in the

1210
00:56:59,160 --> 00:56:59,760
Speaker 4: first round.

1211
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 1: Some people read it told me he was going first

1212
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 1: and second overall.

1213
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 4: Some people thought he was going to go in the

1214
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,879
Speaker 4: top two picks and the draft, I think a lot

1215
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,359
Speaker 4: of people thought that maybe the Texans would take him

1216
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,800
Speaker 4: over c J. Stroud even at number two. They didn't.

1217
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 4: So Will Levis still there? Where does he go? Why

1218
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 4: is he still available? What's your thought? What's your take?

1219
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 4: And what's your victory lap?

1220
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 3: Go ahead?

1221
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 1: So I've heard some things that he did not interview. Well, yeah,

1222
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: and he didn't get great reviews from teammates, which I could.

1223
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 3: See I heard the same.

1224
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 1: I think teams are also wary of how much work

1225
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 1: there is to do. Yeah, and good on NFL teams

1226
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: for getting this right. Just because the guy looks like

1227
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 1: Josh Allen coming out of college does not mean he's

1228
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 1: going to be Josh Allen. This is a guy that,

1229
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: through twenty six passes per game over the last two years,

1230
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 1: in a quarter of those are behind the line of scrimmage,

1231
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 1: less than two to one touchdown interception ratio. Massive, massive,

1232
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 1: massive project. That's a day two guy. That is a

1233
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: textbook Day two guy. Where does he go?

1234
00:57:57,800 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 3: You know?

1235
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 1: I think he'll go early here on on day two.

1236
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 1: I look at the Cardinals at thirty three, if they're

1237
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 1: not sold on Kyler and obviously he's different head coach

1238
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 1: and GM. Now I look at Seattle thirty seven, I

1239
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 1: look at the Raiders at thirty eight. I look at

1240
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 1: the Saints at forty. Yeah, and by the way, those

1241
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 1: are all outside maybe the Cardinals those are all landing

1242
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: spots for Hinton Hooker as well.

1243
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1244
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,439
Speaker 1: So did I just say Colts? If I said Colts,

1245
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 1: didn't mean to say no, No, you didn't, okaycause that's

1246
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson.

1247
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I actually I really feel like a great

1248
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 4: marriage for him is in Seattle because Seattle has Gino.

1249
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 4: There are at least Gino's at least the starter for

1250
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 4: twenty twenty three. Yeah, and that allows Levis to sit

1251
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 4: behind Gino for a year and learn. And then also

1252
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 4: if he does end up playing either this year or

1253
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 4: next year, you have DK, you have JS.

1254
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 3: God really good system.

1255
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 4: You have a really good system, really good setup for him.

1256
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 4: So I could see that being the case.

1257
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 1: I like the Raiders for him too. Yeah, he'd probably

1258
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 1: be okay.

1259
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 4: It's a similar, similar idea with Devonte Adams and Jacoby

1260
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 4: Now and.

1261
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 3: Renfro and obviously Josh McDaniels.

1262
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, you mentioned some of the reviews and meetings. There

1263
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 4: was a I don't know where Peyton Manning said this. Yeah,

1264
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 4: but Peyton Manning mentioned somewhere on either like you know,

1265
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 4: one of his streams or something like that on ESPN

1266
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 4: that he did like a lot of remember Gruden used

1267
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 4: to do those like little with.

1268
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 1: The QB ye were so good. Yeah, and he would

1269
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 1: just torture those kids.

1270
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, And Peyton mentioned that Levis went into the QB

1271
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 4: room and started asking Peyton about endorsement.

1272
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 3: Deals.

1273
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, and like how how you know, how did Peyton

1274
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 4: go about getting on commercials and getting endorsement deals, because

1275
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 4: let's face it, Peyton was all over the place.

1276
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 1: I mean, he's the he's branded himself very cut that

1277
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 1: me might be the one thing he did better than

1278
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 1: Brady maybe maybe.

1279
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 3: So Peyton was all over the place. But years into

1280
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 3: his career.

1281
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, rookie Peyton Manning at least from my rememberance and

1282
00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 4: I was young back then, but from what I remember,

1283
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 4: it was a couple of years down the line that

1284
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 4: until Peyton started showing up in commercials. But Lewis was

1285
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 4: picking his brain not about football, not about the draft,

1286
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 4: not about the process, not about football, but how Peyton

1287
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 4: branded himself and how Peyton became a celebrity on and

1288
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 4: off the field, and if that's if he was giving

1289
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 4: any of those vibes off the teams that he was

1290
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 4: more concerned about Will Levis the brand than he was

1291
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 4: the football player. That this league's still old school like that, right,

1292
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 4: Like that's that's a big turnoff.

1293
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 3: And I think it's.

1294
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 4: Interesting that he came here and he visited with the Patriots,

1295
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Speaker 4: if he had if they had any inclination that he

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Speaker 4: was like that whatsoever.

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Speaker 3: There is no way in hell will.

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Speaker 4: Levis is on the Patriots board, No way, because at

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Speaker 4: that position you have to be hungry, and you have

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Speaker 4: to work at it, and you have to be here,

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Speaker 4: first one in, last one out type of guy.

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Speaker 3: And quite on, I think their quarterback now had that.

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Speaker 1: He was the last one out of the green room.

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Speaker 4: I think he has that. And you can say what

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Speaker 4: you want about Mac. You know, you can say about

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Speaker 4: the you know, the physical upside and how he played

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Speaker 4: and handled himself last year, but nobody questions that guy

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Speaker 4: as a worker.

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Speaker 3: He's in this building all the time, and you need that.

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Speaker 1: I think, at least with his teammates. I know, obviously

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Speaker 1: people are gonna say, oh, he coaches with his teammates.

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Speaker 1: He's done a very good job of building relationships.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: You see him all the time, Right, he had the

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Speaker 1: draft party last year. Remember when he was at his house.

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Speaker 1: They were bowling a couple of weeks ago. He's setting

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Speaker 1: up the throwing sessions things like that. From my understanding,

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Speaker 1: his teams wonder if will Levis will be that guy

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Speaker 1: right that can command a locker room.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's not a Zach Wilson thing where he's like a

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Speaker 1: bad person, right, Zach Wilson actively pushed that locker room away.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we'll the concern with Will Levis. It's that,

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Speaker 1: but it's will he embrace it? Will they embrace him?

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Speaker 4: Let's face it, Will Levis like likes Will himself from

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Speaker 4: Will Levis.

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Speaker 1: It makes one person, right, it's I think a thirty

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Speaker 1: three that aren't as high on.

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Speaker 4: I'm glad we got to do this because we got to,

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Speaker 4: you know, put all of our thoughts out there about

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Speaker 4: the Patriots first round pick, Christian Gonzalez, talk a little

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Speaker 4: bit about Day two and set the table for morell

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Speaker 4: what is an extremely busy day here on Patriots dot Com.

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Speaker 4: We got assistant coaches coming up here in a few minutes.

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Speaker 4: That's where Alex and I are going to jet to

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Speaker 4: Christian Gonzalez on the field at around five pm to

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Speaker 4: introduce him to the world here in New England in Foxborough.

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Speaker 4: And then we got Day two, Round two, and three

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Speaker 4: of the draft Tonight. We'll be live from seven to

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Speaker 4: ten here on Patriots dot Com talking Patriots Draft and

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Speaker 4: carrying you through at least one hopefully maybe a couple

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Speaker 4: of the Patriots picks here tonight, so be sure to

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Speaker 4: tune back in around seven for our draft show here tonight,

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Speaker 4: and Alex and I will be back next week with

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Speaker 4: another catch twenty two to break down the rest of

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Speaker 4: the Patriots draft.

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Speaker 3: Alex and we have to break down eleven.

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Speaker 4: More picks, morel You might want to you know, get

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Speaker 4: a sleeping bag or something back there. That might be

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Speaker 4: a two parter. But yeah, we'll be back next week

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Speaker 4: to break down the rest of the draft. But thanks

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Speaker 4: for hanging out with us in seventh to ten tonight

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Speaker 4: for rounds two and three on Patriots dot com.

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Speaker 3: We'll see you guys.

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Speaker 1: Then.

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