Speaker 1: Wait, so you were saying you went to the jay
Speaker 1: Z Museum.
Speaker 2: So jay Z had this big exhibit at the Brooklyn
Speaker 2: Museum where it was like all the efemera from his
Speaker 2: life sort of on display, and it was incredible. There
Speaker 2: was like a recreation of a studio where he recorded
Speaker 2: some of his key albums, and like the master reel
Speaker 2: tapes to some of his records, and like his notebooks
Speaker 2: and all stuff.
Speaker 1: And you know, all the stuff you want to see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm walking around sort of blown away by all
Speaker 2: this stuff, like jackets he wore in high school and stuff.
Speaker 2: And then he turned the corner in the middle of
Speaker 2: one of the display rooms, in a glass case all
Speaker 2: by itself sitting there is a two thousand and five
Speaker 2: Webby Award for like some Webby. But he met the
Speaker 2: Webby the little spring.
Speaker 1: Because I have a Webby over my shoulder. Here it
Speaker 1: had its own little display case.
Speaker 2: It was so great.
Speaker 1: Famously, I am not jay Z. I have fewer Grammys
Speaker 1: than jay Z.
Speaker 2: Those were there too, but those were grouped together. The
Speaker 2: Webby got own protected Webby.
Speaker 1: Do we think they like? Put it there sarcastically like, oh,
Speaker 1: most important of all our Webby from two thousand and five,
Speaker 1: when there were like three categories.
Speaker 2: I don't think there's that level of self awareness around now,
Speaker 2: kind of people who like tell the story of a
Speaker 2: famous artist or right, and an award is an award,
Speaker 2: like people.
Speaker 1: People with the web and they're springy, they're spraying it,
Speaker 1: which I've always.
Speaker 2: Fall off the shelf. They'll just bounce right back on.
Speaker 1: That's right, Hello the Internet, and welcome to season three
Speaker 1: thirty eight, Episode four of der Dally's Like Geist. A
Speaker 1: pretty wow no, no, yeah at all from our guest host.
Speaker 1: I gotta say that was very.
Speaker 2: Headphones off because we're screaming at a level that I
Speaker 2: don't think I've heard you scream on this show.
Speaker 1: Was that too loud?
Speaker 2: It was so loud that Zoom did that thing where
Speaker 2: it was like, I think we're just gonna shut.
Speaker 1: It was like, you better get out of here. It's hiked.
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Speaker 1: We're really not a podcast people can sleep too. I
Speaker 1: guess it is like one of the things that I
Speaker 1: that I've don't flatter yourself anything. They can fall asleep
Speaker 1: to most anything. But I think I fuck it up
Speaker 1: by screaming at the screaming. Yeah yeah, the screaming at
Speaker 1: the beginning probably freaks them out a little bit.
Speaker 2: The true sleepeadsday, just do the thirty thirty thirty forward and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah it is hard, and get past this and
Speaker 1: now nice and sleepy. My name's Jack O'Brien aka, I
Speaker 1: won't deny it. I'm a straight liar. It isn't water ice,
Speaker 1: it's pee, or I should say it isn't water ice,
Speaker 1: it's pee. That is courtesy of Lacaroni on the discord. Truly,
Speaker 1: the Shakespeare of akas about the most specific thing the
Speaker 1: The two minutes of my life when I wrote a
Speaker 1: ride with my nephews came off. My pants were wet afterwards.
Speaker 1: Nobody knows why. I think someone spilled a wood ice.
Speaker 1: Many are saying someone's build a wood ice before I
Speaker 1: got on there. Lac Roni has his theories, but that's
Speaker 1: just like his opinion.
Speaker 2: So when was the last time you actually seed your pants?
Speaker 1: You know, I mean definitively like with Gusto.
Speaker 2: No I'm just saying, like, you know this, this this incident,
Speaker 2: you're describing the possible. Yeah, then when was the last
Speaker 2: time you can clearly read your pants.
Speaker 1: That I can clearly remember peeing my pants? I think
Speaker 1: it was probably some years before that, And it was
Speaker 1: probably when I, you know, I drank too much for
Speaker 1: a long time. No, I don't drink anymore, so probably
Speaker 1: somewhere in there. And I wasn't great, great at keeping
Speaker 1: track of the specific the specifics at that time of
Speaker 1: my life.
Speaker 2: But I went this past weekend, I went to a
Speaker 2: destination wedding, which was if I was doing an overrated today,
Speaker 2: it might come up. But uh but uh, but I
Speaker 2: was at the I was at this destination wedding and
Speaker 2: like it was it was actually good. It's had a
Speaker 2: resort where there's like tons just like swimming pools everywhere
Speaker 2: in water parks and a ton of kids and like
Speaker 2: free food and you know, first my daughter six the
Speaker 2: other kids there were in that age range for kids.
Speaker 1: It was like a destination heaven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was absolute having for those kids to
Speaker 2: the level that and I won't name names, but I
Speaker 2: think three different kids peed themselves at the like party
Speaker 2: on Friday night at Guess because it was just so
Speaker 2: you coward, swimming pools, free food, Shirley Temples. Kids were
Speaker 2: going nuts and it was just like boom boom. Three
Speaker 2: different kids independently peed themselves.
Speaker 1: It was great. Oh yeah, I definitely peed my pants
Speaker 1: a few times, like at school when I was super young. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not great anyways. That voice you heard is our
Speaker 1: guest co host podcaster Extraordinary you know from This Day
Speaker 1: and Esoteric Political History thirty for thirty, the five thirty
Speaker 1: eight politics podcast Going Way Back. He's the lead producer
Speaker 1: on The Puzzler. It's Jody Abergode Thinkay, The Ballad of
Speaker 1: Tom Jody Arion.
Speaker 2: I like that one of my favorite books and my
Speaker 2: favorite Bruce Springsteen songs, and they go very nice. Thanks
Speaker 2: for having me. It's always fun to be here and
Speaker 2: there you go, being a slightly different it's great tent. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So you're setting me up to like talk about peeing
Speaker 1: my pants as an adult, and then you had a
Speaker 1: story about children peeing their pants. I just want to
Speaker 1: make that clear.
Speaker 2: Because certain activities belong to certain age groups, that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's fair, and I shouldn't be peeing my
Speaker 1: pants as an adult, and I've changed, I've made changes
Speaker 1: in my life so that I don't Yeah, so there, okay,
Speaker 1: growth Jody, We are thrilled to be joined in our
Speaker 1: third and fourth seats by the hosts of the very
Speaker 1: fun true crime podcast Ridiculous Crime, part of the Ridiculous
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Speaker 1: murder free. So, if you're like me and you're saying,
Speaker 1: but what about my bloody murds, they managed to make
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Speaker 1: Zaron Burnette and Elizabeth do it? Yo's going on?
Speaker 3: Guys?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 4: You know, just pselt it lose.
Speaker 2: Wait, I have a question about the show, which I've
Speaker 2: listened to and I love, and I thought it was
Speaker 2: one hundred percent murder free. But does that mean that
Speaker 2: every hundredth episode you just do one where you just
Speaker 2: go right.
Speaker 4: For we commit a murder right every episode? Yeah, you know,
Speaker 4: we hold it in and then we can't anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just right, Jack, it's off for college. That's right,
Speaker 1: that's right, all right, Sarah, Elizabeth, we're gonna get to
Speaker 1: know you a little bit better in a moment. First,
Speaker 1: we're gonna tell our listeners a couple of the things
Speaker 1: we're talking about. We're gonna talk about.
Speaker 5: The wweesque video dropped by Joe Biden just challenging Trump
Speaker 5: to a debate with some very specific parameters. We'll talk
Speaker 5: about the specific parameters. We'll talk about just the quality
Speaker 5: of the video, how we're all feeling in general about
Speaker 5: this election.
Speaker 1: Good. I'm assuming we could just probably zoom past that
Speaker 1: where the election is cool, everything's good. But we'll talk
Speaker 1: about that. We'll talk about the fact that your car
Speaker 1: is definitely spying on you. It's something we've touched on before,
Speaker 1: but there's more reporting, more research into the fact that
Speaker 1: cars are essentially like you know, when people are like
Speaker 1: so if you don't know what the product is, like,
Speaker 1: you are the product right like online, Like why do
Speaker 1: they let us use social media for free? Why do
Speaker 1: they let us do Google searches for free? And it's like, well,
Speaker 1: they're you know, just creating a vast, permanent record, psychological
Speaker 1: consumer profile of you. Cars are doing the same thing,
Speaker 1: but they're not free. Yeah, it makes me so mad.
Speaker 1: They're still charging us the same amount, if not more
Speaker 1: than they were before, and they've like slowed down production. Anyways,
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about all the ways spying on you
Speaker 1: and what they're doing with the information, all that plenty more.
Speaker 1: But first, Zarin Elizabeth. We do like to ask our guests,
Speaker 1: what is something from your search history that's revealing about
Speaker 1: who you are? Or you could also share something that
Speaker 1: you recently screen kept.
Speaker 3: Okay, well my search history. If you want something that's
Speaker 3: revealing about me, I would say I was looking up
Speaker 3: higher dimensional cubic equations that provide complex numbered values for zero.
Speaker 3: But a more fun thing that I was looking up
Speaker 3: was dread Zeppelin, the Zeppelin cover band with an l
Speaker 3: This impersonator singing in Elvis Krooning style. I was explaining
Speaker 3: it to somebody and I was like, all right, I
Speaker 3: gotta go find out if they're still around. And then
Speaker 3: I realized that that pretty much says a lot about
Speaker 3: me that I'm the type of person wants to see
Speaker 3: I dread Zeppelin is still around, Not then I go
Speaker 3: see them. I just want to know that they're out there,
Speaker 3: like Gwar, making the world a better place.
Speaker 2: Wow, what's the dread dread Zeppelin for it?
Speaker 3: Dread Zeppelin? So imagine led Zeppelin being played by a
Speaker 3: cover band that's doing it as reggae tunes Sones that's
Speaker 3: the dread and then the Zeppelin is the Zeppelin part.
Speaker 3: And then the lead singer is an Elvis impersonator, so
Speaker 3: he's doing on top of the reggae Zeppelin songs Robert
Speaker 3: plant as a as an Elvis impersonator. Essentially, it's exactly
Speaker 3: once you get to the third hat.
Speaker 1: It's funny, exactly the hat on the hat.
Speaker 3: You can't do that. Everybody knows that third hat.
Speaker 2: There's so many bits that one of the bits doesn't
Speaker 2: even make it into the main That's.
Speaker 1: Like when you're going to a Zeppelin cover band that
Speaker 1: is reggae based, like you're probably okay with showing up.
Speaker 1: They're like, well, yeah, of course. Then there's an Elplis
Speaker 1: you've opened comes my way. I'm fine with it, exactly.
Speaker 3: Mostly high as hell. At that point, it's just like
Speaker 3: this is all golden.
Speaker 2: So are they still around and are they doing the
Speaker 2: like old fogie band circuit tour where they're just playing
Speaker 2: like hockey arenas in North Dakota.
Speaker 3: Yes, and yes, so they are playing the hockey arenas
Speaker 3: in Canada and they are just still around. But uh,
Speaker 3: I was just you know, like you wonder about the uh,
Speaker 3: the economy for these types of bands. I can, they
Speaker 3: still make it, but they are the ones that make
Speaker 3: it because they're a touring band and that's where you
Speaker 3: make your money after you make your nuts a musicians.
Speaker 3: So I was stoked for them because you know, we
Speaker 3: need all the live music and all the silliness we
Speaker 3: can get. So give me more dread Zeppelin in my life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciate that. And the first thing that you said,
Speaker 1: that jumble of words of course makes sense to me,
Speaker 1: but might have think fusing to others. Yeah, like for
Speaker 1: Jodie's sake. Yeah, are you really.
Speaker 2: Just as you know? I can't follow?
Speaker 1: Were you like a math major? Is this? No?
Speaker 3: I hated math. I failed math. I was terrible at math.
Speaker 3: Turns out, though it wasn't me, it was a math
Speaker 3: teachers because once I found ways to find better math
Speaker 3: teachers on YouTube, I love math. Turns out I'm a
Speaker 3: huge math person. I just had really bad teachers originally. No,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm not trying to put it all on them,
Speaker 3: but they made it seem so boring. So, for lack
Speaker 3: of a better word, just port prosaic I had no
Speaker 3: reason to think the math was like illuminating the universe.
Speaker 3: The math was showing me all these amazing things that like,
Speaker 3: you know, how do I best put it? Symmetries? Right,
Speaker 3: There was a beauty, there's an art. There is a
Speaker 3: majesty to symmetries. You don't learn about symmetries. You don't
Speaker 3: learn about things like the cubic equation till so far
Speaker 3: on that you must really love math. But if we
Speaker 3: explain these things to kids. We showed them how these
Speaker 3: numbers worked as a system, and I found ways to
Speaker 3: tell kids this stuff. And I'm like, man, not that
Speaker 3: I want to be a math teacher. I'd be a
Speaker 3: terrible math teacher, worse than the ones I had, But
Speaker 3: I still think it would be great if we found
Speaker 3: math teachers who could enlive in math the way that
Speaker 3: they do it for things like you know, poetry or
Speaker 3: photography or things where they go, this is about life. This,
Speaker 3: you know, like, put the life in math. It's not
Speaker 3: about numbers. And that's what I found is once you
Speaker 3: go to physics, once you go to using it in science,
Speaker 3: then the math comes alive. So just fuse them from
Speaker 3: the start. Always use life examples instead of these abstractions
Speaker 3: that most people turn off to.
Speaker 1: My son is an eight year old who's a little
Speaker 1: like math guy, Like he's really just naturally good at
Speaker 1: math in a way that like I never was, and
Speaker 1: I find it incredibly emasculating, and I just discourage it
Speaker 1: at every turn. I don't know, but one of the
Speaker 1: little real world math stories, because I'm not like I
Speaker 1: can't do the math, but the story about Einstein figuring
Speaker 1: out that the way the universe operates, like using math,
Speaker 1: figured out like there's probably a black hole at the
Speaker 1: center of this thing based on numbers only, and then
Speaker 1: like decades later us finally getting the ability to like
Speaker 1: see that far. To me, my god, damn. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: I told that to my son and I think it
Speaker 1: like translated to him. I think he like was impressed,
Speaker 1: which is a lot you know, the batting average on
Speaker 1: Like telling a story like that.
Speaker 2: Your son was impressed with Einstein is what you're saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my son was impressed with Einstein. But like also,
Speaker 1: I like, I think my lack of faith was not
Speaker 1: in like Einstein being impressed, but my ability to convey
Speaker 1: that to an eight year old.
Speaker 3: But he has like I think.
Speaker 1: I kind of nailed it. He was like, damn, all right,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: Wait and listeneth to asked your question about your show
Speaker 2: and your search history. Do you research your show on
Speaker 2: your regular browser or do you go? And I would
Speaker 2: imagine it.
Speaker 1: Just totally excws.
Speaker 4: Oh completely.
Speaker 2: The person on the internet thinks, yeah, we are also Instagram.
Speaker 3: I mean I get the worst things like Instagram are
Speaker 3: absolutely terrible because of the show. The things I get
Speaker 3: for Getaway Drivers exactly a lot of lock picking.
Speaker 1: Did you want to get into lock picking? Yeah right, Elizabeth?
Speaker 1: How about you?
Speaker 4: Well, Zaren's the smart one.
Speaker 3: That's not true.
Speaker 4: My search history right now is a lot aside from
Speaker 4: you know, product mashups for the show and weird stuff.
Speaker 4: I've been thinking about getting a dog. I'm a I'm
Speaker 4: a dog person and I lost my dog last year,
Speaker 4: and so I'm thinking, like, I think I'm emotionally ready,
Speaker 4: but I feel creepy because I look through all the
Speaker 4: rescue sites and I'm like, oh no, no, looking right right,
Speaker 4: I'm so superficial, like that dog looks nuts, and so
Speaker 4: I'm going through that. And my last screen cap was
Speaker 4: a very boomeersque screen cap of a QR code to
Speaker 4: take a survey about the peregrine falcons that live in
Speaker 4: the camp in eli at u C Berkeley, which I'm
Speaker 4: a little bit obsessed with. And they have like the
Speaker 4: cal Berkeley falcons and you can watch them on the
Speaker 4: live cam. And they just had four little babies and
Speaker 4: they wanted to know what are your thoughts on falcons, Nerd,
Speaker 4: And I was like, I'll tell you everything. So that's
Speaker 4: what I've been up to.
Speaker 1: You're gonna wish you never asked.
Speaker 4: I got a lot to say. So, yeah, that's me.
Speaker 1: I'm a bit of a fledgling bird person. Like getting
Speaker 1: into it.
Speaker 4: You're getting into I can't like spot them, although I
Speaker 4: have that Merlin app on my phone and you just
Speaker 4: like go out in the backyard and it starts racking
Speaker 4: them up of everybody you got your Yeah, identifies them
Speaker 4: by the call. That's pretty cool. It doesn't identify my
Speaker 4: neighbor's rooster, but it is. Yeah, I'm old, but I
Speaker 4: haven't hit like, oh I can spot a you know, tipmouse?
Speaker 1: Old, I don't know. Yeah, So that the is called Merlin.
Speaker 4: And yeah, yeah, it's it's Merlin and it's part of
Speaker 4: some university I believe and yes, it's basically for birds.
Speaker 1: It's just like the confidence of them to be like
Speaker 1: this is like, yes, you've seen other cool apps, but
Speaker 1: this one is the one that is basically going to
Speaker 1: look like magic.
Speaker 4: Get straight up magic.
Speaker 1: And every time call it like burger b R d R.
Speaker 4: You use it and you grow a long beard and
Speaker 4: the robe emerges and like an orb of you know, lightning.
Speaker 1: It's awesome, so awesome, amazing. What is something that you
Speaker 1: guys think is underrated?
Speaker 4: I think you know, last time we were on here
Speaker 4: as Aaron was bagging on kids and so I want
Speaker 4: to bring it back to I'm not.
Speaker 3: Gonna yeah kids fine, and you know it.
Speaker 4: Was just basically I hate kids, and so my underrated though?
Speaker 4: Are magnet tiles? You guys got the kids. You're familiar
Speaker 4: with magnet tiles?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but oh, do not have a magnetic refrigerator? No?
Speaker 2: No, No, like Legos incredible?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, magnets we do have.
Speaker 4: Yes, Yeah, I got a nephew. He's over at my
Speaker 4: house every Saturday, and I now believe I have the
Speaker 4: largest magnetile collection in North America. Wins and bins.
Speaker 2: You bought ghost or he just has slowly been moving
Speaker 2: it over to your house.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I bought him.
Speaker 4: And then every time we start building something, we go,
Speaker 4: you know what, I bet we can hit the ceiling,
Speaker 4: and then he and I he's four. We get on
Speaker 4: Amazon and we find someone like, all right, it'll be
Speaker 4: here for next week, and so we just keep building building,
Speaker 4: And I think they're they're underrated because there's so much
Speaker 4: to take with Zaren's physics talk. You really have to
Speaker 4: think about balance and like you have to be very
Speaker 4: creative in your thinking, and it's not completely structured, and
Speaker 4: so I think they're underrated to way for kids.
Speaker 1: Imagine, yeah there. It is so much easier to clean
Speaker 1: up than legos. Oh yeah, less painful, yea less painful.
Speaker 1: They're all like kind of one of like five shapes usually.
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's a generalization. I don't want to
Speaker 1: be unfair to magnetiles.
Speaker 4: Do a lot of tesselating.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not like legos is just such a mess. Yeah, magnetiles,
Speaker 1: how long for the day of magnetiles?
Speaker 4: That's my overrated is legos? Is there any reasons?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Great, Yeah, that's been my overrated.
Speaker 4: Basically, legos are for losers. I think here's my thing
Speaker 4: with legos, it's very limiting. They heard when you step
Speaker 4: on them. And then now I went to go get
Speaker 4: legos and for the kid, and it's like so much
Speaker 4: of them are pre set build this one specific thing
Speaker 4: and it's really hard to find, just like the random Star.
Speaker 2: Wars following when I build a giant parakeet or something.
Speaker 3: Sure, but I have an accomplishment for the kid we're
Speaker 3: talking about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. I don't like rules.
Speaker 1: Them kids, Michael Jordan's kids, the kids. Everybody should google
Speaker 1: Jordan some right, I only know that as a meme.
Speaker 2: Is that actually what's the context for?
Speaker 1: He was in a shooting contest, like in a like
Speaker 1: at a basketball camp, and some other player was like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: like you're supposed to let the whin. I think the kid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's on video, But could you movement for
Speaker 1: them kids? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Basically, But I do like Elizabeth, how this nephew of
Speaker 2: yours seems to be just like laundering all of his
Speaker 2: toy request through you.
Speaker 1: Completely is a safe house.
Speaker 4: His father, my brother, was at the store trying to
Speaker 4: get a birthday present for some other kids birthday party,
Speaker 4: and he text me a picture which one should what
Speaker 4: present should I get this kid? And it was like magnets,
Speaker 4: not magnet tiles, but like a magnet kit or like
Speaker 4: a headlamp. And I show my nephew, I'm like, dude,
Speaker 4: which one should he get? He said, tell him to
Speaker 4: get the headlamp and then you get me magnets. I
Speaker 4: was like, all right, I am a sucker. I will
Speaker 4: just give him everything. So yeah, I know, I.
Speaker 2: Know, and then you each return them to the other
Speaker 2: opposite store and.
Speaker 4: Exactly.
Speaker 1: The other thing with Legos is like they're so they
Speaker 1: have such a monopoly across. Like so I got my
Speaker 1: like it was recently my year old's birthday, and I
Speaker 1: got him an action figure, just like an you know,
Speaker 1: and he at first he was like, wait what I
Speaker 1: don't I don't get it. Yeah, what do I do
Speaker 1: with this? But now it's like his favorite toy because
Speaker 1: it doesn't break into a hundred pieces when you drop it, right,
Speaker 1: and you can, but like Legos are just so like
Speaker 1: all their toys just dissolve into one hundred pieces when
Speaker 1: you drop them, and they're like impossible to like store
Speaker 1: anywhere whereas this you like put in a drawer and
Speaker 1: then like pull it out. So yeah, it's just it's great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's good that there's like an interactive toy that like
Speaker 1: requires spatial reasoning and all that stuff. It is like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I feel like it's too much at
Speaker 1: this point, like there's it's too And maybe that's just
Speaker 1: in my household because my other son is like obsessed with.
Speaker 4: Legos well, and they're everywhere. I don't trust Big Lego.
Speaker 1: Yet, there's no way accompany that Big isn't like doing something.
Speaker 4: Somehow, like there are no good billionaires, you know, I
Speaker 4: don't trust them.
Speaker 1: Every fifth Lego and like a set has a listening
Speaker 1: device built.
Speaker 2: Out, well, I mean it was weird, but like, yeah,
Speaker 2: my daughter had one that was like build this eye
Speaker 2: tracking device.
Speaker 1: That's right, yeah, and then put it on your dadboard
Speaker 1: on lunch. Let's take a quick break and then Zerom
Speaker 1: will come back and talk about your underrated over.
Speaker 6: It and we're back and Zaren, Yes, we would like
Speaker 6: to ask you what's something you think is underrated at
Speaker 6: overrated underrated delivery?
Speaker 3: With that question, let me move my t cozy out
Speaker 3: of the way so I can see my notes. Oh yes,
Speaker 3: thank you letters. That's what I wanted to say was
Speaker 3: undert underrated. Elizabeth does thank you letters all the time.
Speaker 3: So I recently went out and I got myself my
Speaker 3: own set of stationary thank you letters so that I
Speaker 3: can start sending these out because when I was a kid,
Speaker 3: I used to send them out all the time. My
Speaker 3: mother made me, and people would always be very touched.
Speaker 3: And then as an adult, especially as a young man,
Speaker 3: you forget this. You're the worst to correspondence. You're like, ah,
Speaker 3: they know, maybe you'll call them, maybe you'll text. But
Speaker 3: a thank you letter really is such a sweet touch.
Speaker 3: So now I'm getting back into it, and I got
Speaker 3: to tell you it's like the littlest, tiniest but most
Speaker 3: pleasurable delight, like making someone stoked on what they did.
Speaker 3: You know. It's just kind of like it's like a
Speaker 3: little mirroring back, like, Hey, that meant a lot to me,
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden, twice as much to them.
Speaker 3: So it's like the only way to give back a gift,
Speaker 3: you know, because if it's the thought that counts, this
Speaker 3: is the thought you can return. So I'm all about
Speaker 3: thank you letters.
Speaker 2: Wow, And you're thanking people for.
Speaker 3: Just things they've done gifts, Uh, you know if it's
Speaker 3: an extra measure of effort that they put out, if
Speaker 3: they do something like that, I'm really touched by send
Speaker 3: a nice letter something like that.
Speaker 2: So part of the premise here is that you have
Speaker 2: to have people around you.
Speaker 1: Who have friends.
Speaker 4: Social circle helps friends, and they have to be insight.
Speaker 2: I don't think you know the listeners of this podcast.
Speaker 3: You can send them to your neighbors for just being
Speaker 3: quiet one night, like, hey, thanks for not making a
Speaker 3: lot of noise yesterday. Really appreciated that book.
Speaker 2: But you have to get there. You have to get
Speaker 2: their address, like is there an awkward light? I can't
Speaker 2: tell you why, but tell me, give me just.
Speaker 3: Give me your address. Yeah, that is a weird one.
Speaker 3: These days, people are not used to that text out
Speaker 3: of nowhere with the hey what's your address?
Speaker 1: So that's a.
Speaker 4: Great text to send and then not send a letter
Speaker 4: like hey, what's your address? And they think like, oh,
Speaker 4: I get some mail and then it never shows it.
Speaker 1: Never shows Upis I feel like I've done that numerous times?
Speaker 3: Start signing up for newsletters and stuff. Yeah, different book,
Speaker 3: I will say.
Speaker 2: For many years now I have done a like weekly
Speaker 2: send two or more emails to people who have like
Speaker 2: made something that I've loved, you know, written or like
Speaker 2: a book or a piece of music or whatever, but
Speaker 2: just like a note of gratitude and it is like
Speaker 2: so rewarding to me, Like it's just it's just great
Speaker 2: that I appreciate it. But it's just like it's incredible.
Speaker 1: How.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you read an article and then at the end
Speaker 4: you're like, oh, it was so good. I immediately send
Speaker 4: an email because I know what it's like to create
Speaker 4: something or a book. You write it and you have
Speaker 4: this echo chamber and have someone just say like it
Speaker 4: made a big difference. I loved this part. Like I'm
Speaker 4: with you on that. I think that's really important.
Speaker 2: But this is next, the handwritten.
Speaker 1: Ye, handwritten? There? Do you have good handwrit No?
Speaker 3: I have terrible handwriting, but I can try really hard
Speaker 3: to make it legible so it looks like an eighth
Speaker 3: grade or no, like an eight year old.
Speaker 2: And you also do the thing where you cut out
Speaker 2: the letters so that people of course.
Speaker 3: Otherwise how are they going to be like you know
Speaker 3: all different? Fun's fun to read. It's just funny, and
Speaker 3: plus by a magazine collection, that's only thing we can
Speaker 3: get rid of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you use creepy rhyming prose, and I.
Speaker 3: Am pentameter and Victorian tenth.
Speaker 4: It always starts out, this is the zodiac.
Speaker 2: Exactly, and you do it for months and months and months,
Speaker 2: and it's like all these cryptic clues and then and
Speaker 2: then at the end it just says thank you for writing.
Speaker 4: Very fun.
Speaker 3: I said a lot of thank you letters to local newspapers.
Speaker 1: They're yelling to the FBI, he's calling again. We've found
Speaker 1: them all the lines for your final thing where you
Speaker 1: revealed that you just wanted to thank them for it.
Speaker 1: What is something you think is overrated?
Speaker 3: Okay? Overrated? And I was listening to recent to this
Speaker 3: radical black feminist professor. Her name is professor Loretta J.
Speaker 3: Ross Right. She goes or she doesn't go to she's
Speaker 3: a professor at Smith College and she lives in Atlanta.
Speaker 3: And she was talking about calling people out and she
Speaker 3: was like, you know, I'm against that, and I was like,
Speaker 3: wait a minute, I don't know about this because I'm
Speaker 3: a big believer in, like, you know, speaking truth to
Speaker 3: power and stuff. And then she got me into the
Speaker 3: idea of basically, don't call people out, call them in,
Speaker 3: but still speak truth to power. So that means you're
Speaker 3: gonna go out there, You're gonna call out public officials,
Speaker 3: You're gonna call out powerful institutions, you're gonna hold but
Speaker 3: you're gonna hold individuals accountable. So what that means is
Speaker 3: to call people in means you like to say, you've
Speaker 3: got an uncle who's like racist, and you're gonna see
Speaker 3: him at Thanksgiving when he goes to say something racist,
Speaker 3: you don't just let it go and you don't avoid him.
Speaker 3: You said, you go, you know what, man, I know
Speaker 3: you and I know how you are, and this doesn't
Speaker 3: square at all with how I know you are. And
Speaker 3: then you basically ask them to decide how they want
Speaker 3: to be. And I was like so inspired by this.
Speaker 3: So I think that basically calling out people is at
Speaker 3: because it's like Sun Sue's idea of like destroying the village.
Speaker 3: It leaves them nowhere to be. So you kind of
Speaker 3: you know, basically, if you have Sun Sue in a
Speaker 3: radical black feminist, agree and you're gonna get me to listen.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: So my idea is that it's important to find a
Speaker 3: way to call people in if you do care about
Speaker 3: them or the issue you're arguing about, if it's something
Speaker 3: that doesn't matter to you, find let them go whatever.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that, but if it does matter to you,
Speaker 3: at least have the temerity to go and say I'm
Speaker 3: gonna stand on business and I'm gonna say I respect
Speaker 3: you as opposed to you're my enemy, so simply, especially
Speaker 3: if it's somebody you know, that's my old thing. So
Speaker 3: there you go. Calling people out I think is overrated.
Speaker 3: It's a false sense of righteousness. I think calling people
Speaker 3: in is much more. You're going to get what you want,
Speaker 3: which is to change minds, to get to make your
Speaker 3: view be a broader, more widely held view. And as
Speaker 3: somebody who spends a lot of time arguing, I think
Speaker 3: about this often, which is how ultimately, why are you arguing?
Speaker 3: You want to change their mind, you want them to
Speaker 3: find a better way. Otherwise, why waste your time? So
Speaker 3: if you're gonna do it, do it well call them
Speaker 3: in as opposed to calling them out.
Speaker 1: I like it.
Speaker 4: Well what happens if you're like, I know you're better
Speaker 4: than that. I don't and they're like, no, on h
Speaker 4: per this is I am.
Speaker 1: Recently understood medical.
Speaker 3: Then they've declared who they are, and you can then
Speaker 3: act accordingly. You no longer have to do anything, but
Speaker 3: you at least give them the chance to have that conversation.
Speaker 3: If at the end of the conversation they're like, you
Speaker 3: know what, screw you and everything you believe you don't
Speaker 3: need to hang out with that person, but you at
Speaker 3: least did honor the relationship and you honored your respect
Speaker 3: for the issue, which is like, like, I'm going to
Speaker 3: try to bring you around to what I think is
Speaker 3: an important thing. If it's important to you and this
Speaker 3: person's important to you, or you care about them in
Speaker 3: the least, or even if you don't care about them,
Speaker 3: you care about people who they affect, then go, hey,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna at least, you know, say I think you
Speaker 3: can be better than this, But don't make it like
Speaker 3: you are better. It's like, we can all be better,
Speaker 3: and this is how we do it. It's by constantly
Speaker 3: challenging what beliefs and biases we hold. Because your thoughts
Speaker 3: stem from your beliefs, not from your thoughts. So challenge
Speaker 3: a person's beliefs. Don't listen to their thoughts. Those are
Speaker 3: just it's like secondary, it's downstream effects. Go to the beginning,
Speaker 3: Go to the mountaintop if you want to deal with
Speaker 3: the stream.
Speaker 6: M hmmm.
Speaker 1: When I was in middle school in Dayton, Ohio, we
Speaker 1: had the phrase calling someone out, and that was to
Speaker 1: challenge someone to a fight. Yes, called him out, Rocky
Speaker 1: called him out.
Speaker 3: Did you ever get called out for a fight?
Speaker 1: I did? Did you show up? I did show up
Speaker 1: for the fight? And then you yeah, I did. So
Speaker 1: it was like, uh no, but it was. It was funny,
Speaker 1: Like there was this kid who I thought was my friend,
Speaker 1: who like basically was the don King, who was like
Speaker 1: getting this fight going like so because he was like
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people would like to see
Speaker 1: him get beat up. I didn't. Nobody got beat up.
Speaker 1: But it was.
Speaker 4: Basically just called him in at the end, exactly.
Speaker 2: I just want to where you're coming from.
Speaker 1: So this actually segues perfectly into our first story, which
Speaker 1: is the actual President of the United States, Joe Biden,
Speaker 1: basically calling Donald Trump out like in the middle school
Speaker 1: way to two debates. There's a video that we would
Speaker 1: play audio for if Miles was here. Oh, by the way,
Speaker 1: I wanted to say on the subject of a handwritten letters,
Speaker 1: Miles writes really great handwritten letters, and it has beautiful
Speaker 1: handwriting on miles is a great proprietor of your underrated
Speaker 1: But yeah, so, like is the video that I saw
Speaker 1: that I think a lot of people saw where it's
Speaker 1: Joe Biden going direct to camera WWE style and there's
Speaker 1: like mid sentence like edits like a YouTube video, and
Speaker 1: like there's like a punch in punch out and he
Speaker 1: basically says he literally says, make my day pal. At
Speaker 1: one point.
Speaker 4: It's a grandpa fight.
Speaker 1: I hear. I hear Donald Trump wants to debate me.
Speaker 1: I beat him in two debates and I I haven't.
Speaker 1: He hasn't debated me since. So you want to do
Speaker 1: a debate, Donald, make my day pal? I hear your
Speaker 1: free on Wednesdays sick burn. That is a pretty decent burn,
Speaker 1: because this criminal trial is an in session that day
Speaker 1: of each week. But it just feels very strange, like
Speaker 1: we've entered. I mean, I've I get this feeling every
Speaker 1: time Joe Biden like publishes a TikTok or you know,
Speaker 1: the White House publishes a tictok TikTok on his behalf,
Speaker 1: it just feels surreal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, get off my lawn energy from him?
Speaker 2: Yes, and and are you You're mostly reacting to the
Speaker 2: kind of optics and theatric strategy, not the like actual
Speaker 2: debate strategy too, which I think a lot of people
Speaker 2: are talking about too, which is like who was most
Speaker 2: you know, advantaged by actually debating and the timing and
Speaker 2: the number of debates and so forth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think most of us. I also want
Speaker 1: to talk about that. Yeah, But just the very first
Speaker 1: kind of interaction with the clip is that this feels weird.
Speaker 1: It feels like politics has entered this news zone. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's politics writ large, like I don't think.
Speaker 4: No, I think it is we've crossed the line, Like
Speaker 4: you know, I just where we're headed. I got annoyed
Speaker 4: for a long time with the like when they go low,
Speaker 4: we go high, because it was just like we just
Speaker 4: keep taking kicks to the teeth. Yeah, but now it's
Speaker 4: just gone so like no one has any dignity anymore,
Speaker 4: and so it's just like everyone will debase themselves and
Speaker 4: it's this race to the bottom and it's so embarrassing,
Speaker 4: Like I'm just so embarrassed by all of this. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and it's I don't think we can come back from it.
Speaker 3: The market based politics m.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, look, I think it's clear and Trump
Speaker 2: is largely both a reflection and I think genuinely responsible
Speaker 2: for a lot of this over the last you know,
Speaker 2: eight years or so. It is clear that like politics
Speaker 2: and personality have merged, right, and what people are looking
Speaker 2: for is like a charismatic leader, and I think, you know,
Speaker 2: it started with Obamas, like I think an example of
Speaker 2: this too, but you know, like mostly people are looking
Speaker 2: for like an individual to sort of filter their thoughts
Speaker 2: and aspirations and all that through and for better or worse.
Speaker 2: Trump does that really effectively for people, And I think
Speaker 2: Biden needs to do that, right, Biden needs to tell
Speaker 2: a story that is centered on Joe Biden. But this
Speaker 2: is not as far as I can tell it right,
Speaker 2: Like I mean, trying to do trying to there's a
Speaker 2: mistake there of trying to then thinking that and then say, oh,
Speaker 2: that just means I need to play Trump's game and
Speaker 2: debase myself, Whereas I think the real lesson is I
Speaker 2: need to just present a cohesive and authentic story of
Speaker 2: who I am and how people can find meaning in
Speaker 2: what I want to do with this country.
Speaker 1: And you know, in.
Speaker 2: Whatever weird way, twenty twenty. I think he kind of
Speaker 2: did that. I mean, it was a very weird year
Speaker 2: and so any sense of normalcy, like I think people
Speaker 2: were over correcting for it. But I do think he
Speaker 2: did position himself as like, dignity still matters, steadiness still matters,
Speaker 2: norms still matter, and this feels so against that, and
Speaker 2: he just needs to pick who he wants to be
Speaker 2: and then be that not And maybe that is a
Speaker 2: little bit of like I'm not scared of this guy,
Speaker 2: which I appreciate and I think is true, and I
Speaker 2: think Joe Biden that is authentic Joe Biden, but doing
Speaker 2: it in this particular way, Like I just don't see
Speaker 2: him playing this mode that we saw in this video
Speaker 2: for the next six months and having it feel like
Speaker 2: something that people can really glom onto and.
Speaker 3: Be like a new blend, don't you think that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Like there's there's the previous sunglasses cool Guy Biden. Then
Speaker 3: there was like Dark Brandon, and this feels like e
Speaker 3: merging or synthesis of those two, like Dark Brandon being
Speaker 3: the internet avatar of Biden, and then you know, like
Speaker 3: cool Guy Biden, like in the in the sports car
Speaker 3: in driving around with sunglasses and lowering them. That's more
Speaker 3: of his like you know, street performance of Biden, and
Speaker 3: now he's trying to merge those into this like fighting Biden.
Speaker 3: But I think that you're correct that he should just
Speaker 3: be himself because and I think even the idea of
Speaker 3: how we relate to politicians goes even further back to
Speaker 3: JFK and the In the first the election, right, he
Speaker 3: beats the Nixon because he looks cooler, right, and then
Speaker 3: you see kind of like, you know, Nixon learns from that,
Speaker 3: he figures out, I got my silent majority. Then you
Speaker 3: get the next big evolution is Reagan or Reagan goes, Okay,
Speaker 3: we're gonna take it from TV to movies. Now we're
Speaker 3: gonna get into iconic. I am the cowboy, I am Americana,
Speaker 3: I am the Western and people get they glom onto that.
Speaker 3: Then you get another change with the handover to the boomers.
Speaker 3: And then you get the Bill Clinton era of like, Okay,
Speaker 3: we're gonna start doing this as like a continuation of
Speaker 3: the revolution that we tried he wasn't a part of
Speaker 3: to stop the Vietnam War and all this. We finally
Speaker 3: got our chance. Don't stop believing, you know, and then
Speaker 3: then they start doing this whole like, you know what,
Speaker 3: breach of the twenty first century so they can start
Speaker 3: talking about the future. That was the last time the
Speaker 3: Democrats have talked meaningfully about the future. Was Bill Clinton
Speaker 3: talking about the bridge to the twenty first century. We're
Speaker 3: now a quarter of the way into the twenty first century.
Speaker 3: What has anybody in the Democrats said about? Okay, here's
Speaker 3: the big model, the big dreams. Here is the Great Society,
Speaker 3: Here is the Square Deal, here's the New deal. Here
Speaker 3: is the promise of how we're going to actually lead
Speaker 3: as opposed to react and then try to signal and
Speaker 3: send messages. It becomes such a media driven way for
Speaker 3: politics to behave that they've actually forgotten not just the messaging,
Speaker 3: but what is the message. What are you promising people?
Speaker 3: And I think that people want something beyond rural broadband.
Speaker 3: And I know Biden should get a lot more credit
Speaker 3: for the infrastructure stuff, but that's essentially what that message
Speaker 3: came down to. So dream big, Biden, And then I
Speaker 3: think you can pull people into something other than your personality,
Speaker 3: which I think is important, but your personality has to
Speaker 3: then align to something that we can all say, oh,
Speaker 3: this is we're going this direction otherwise it's just like
Speaker 3: kind of like picking your favorite ice cream.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think I disagree with you, and
Speaker 2: I think that there are enough accomplishments and cohesive sort
Speaker 2: of policy Biden publicly known, right and it just hasn't
Speaker 2: come together. And I worry or I'm curious whether this
Speaker 2: video and just in general, there's a sort of sense
Speaker 2: of panic of life. I think, so, why is that
Speaker 2: story not breaking through the sort of steady progress or thing,
Speaker 2: And so now we're gonna we're gonna flail a little bit.
Speaker 3: They aren't giving him credit for the economic package right
Speaker 3: now or the economic picture. So like there's a lot
Speaker 3: of disconnect between his real story and what people think
Speaker 3: of him across It doesn't even matter which side of
Speaker 3: the divide you go and ask them for their opinion,
Speaker 3: They're going to say almost the same thing about Biden's performance,
Speaker 3: which is a shame that you know, that's almost I
Speaker 3: think less his fault and more of his the fault
Speaker 3: of his surrogates. You know, you got to get out
Speaker 3: there and be able to tell these stories in ways
Speaker 3: that are compelling and simple and easy to remember.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the reeks of like you know, all of the
Speaker 1: people surrounding him like coming up with different strategies and stuff,
Speaker 1: and it just feels a little inauthentic. It also feels
Speaker 1: like it gives me anxiety. It just he totally generally
Speaker 1: seems to have these moments of like high energy where
Speaker 1: he like writes checks that then his mind and body
Speaker 1: can't fully cash like that press conference, Like that's that's
Speaker 1: what this made me worried about. It's like that press
Speaker 1: conference where he was like, that's it, I'm going out there.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell him what's what with old you know,
Speaker 1: Joey b And he did fine for like twenty minutes,
Speaker 1: and then someone like asked him a question as he
Speaker 1: was leaving the stage, and he like came back and
Speaker 1: really started like struggling. And it's We also have an
Speaker 1: NBA podcast, and like something we've seen this year is
Speaker 1: like some of the great players who are like you know,
Speaker 1: getting older, and they'll have these games where they're like amazing,
Speaker 1: but then they'll just have like three games where you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: they're not there, you know, like.
Speaker 3: They're just totally load management.
Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, there's like they have these high high points,
Speaker 1: but then they can't really, And I worry that this
Speaker 1: is the case with Biden, Like you can't always flip
Speaker 1: it on whenever you want to, right like and and
Speaker 1: who who Kyle Lowry.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to I'm just trying to imagine who these
Speaker 2: players are that you.
Speaker 1: Were referring Lebron.
Speaker 2: Lebron still has its.
Speaker 1: Great but he was not able to turn it on
Speaker 1: up to the degree that he needed to. He was
Speaker 1: still like, no, he's unprecedentedly great at a late state.
Speaker 2: Sorry, no, no, no, no. But I had a question for
Speaker 2: you know, all of you. But you know, I think
Speaker 2: the big fear about basketball, about budgett The big fear
Speaker 2: for I think Democrats and Biden's people probably is that
Speaker 2: no matter what they do, no matter which version of
Speaker 2: Biden they try and put out there, people are going
Speaker 2: to have that their shoulders are going to get tense,
Speaker 2: They're going to start to feel a little ichy. They're
Speaker 2: just going to be like, oh, you know, no matter
Speaker 2: what they do. And I'm curious if you think there
Speaker 2: is a version of Biden that can go out there
Speaker 2: and not elicit that.
Speaker 4: Yet, I think that everyone just has this fear that,
Speaker 4: for some reason, his flubs mean more than like flubbithon Trump,
Speaker 4: like so you know, Trump can do all sorts of
Speaker 4: crazy stuff and we expect it. And then so yeah,
Speaker 4: we're all tense waiting for Biden to make some misstep
Speaker 4: or you know, say something dumb, and well, I think
Speaker 4: the whole thing is this completely devolved version of what
Speaker 4: we want. My question to you, guys, is there any
Speaker 4: part of you like me that would love to just
Speaker 4: see them physically fight.
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, I'll almost tried to do it
Speaker 2: with Hillary at the debates.
Speaker 4: If we were just like, you know what, you guys
Speaker 4: want this, You want to be so crass and trashy.
Speaker 4: All right, let's see it, like who I would love.
Speaker 2: To set the tipers on and go for it exactly
Speaker 2: exactly Octagon.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm pushing for Joe on that one. Yeah, crotchity,
Speaker 4: old Irish dude.
Speaker 3: Come on to the degree.
Speaker 1: That like both of them would probably be dead by
Speaker 1: the end of it completely.
Speaker 4: And then maybe that's when I.
Speaker 1: Get and then I do.
Speaker 2: I will say, when Joe Biden falls, he just falls,
Speaker 2: and when Donald Trump falls, he stumbles backwards for like
Speaker 2: fifty sixty yards and then falls and then falls into it.
Speaker 1: Like a cake.
Speaker 4: He's like relying on the lips.
Speaker 1: Crumples into just like a pile.
Speaker 4: He just yeah, I always thought that in the beginning
Speaker 4: of COVID they should have taken a note from the
Speaker 4: World War Two playbook of like sacrifice. Yeah, is the
Speaker 4: most patriotic thing you can do, Like you are a
Speaker 4: patriot if.
Speaker 1: You wear a mask, like Donald Trump was president, if
Speaker 1: you just let us open up your lungs and.
Speaker 4: We missed an opportunity to save a lot of people, well,
Speaker 4: you know, and and change the atmosphere of the country
Speaker 4: from like you know, this fear that we all had
Speaker 4: to say, Look, we're against this sort of common enemy,
Speaker 4: and you know we've done it before, we've rallied before,
Speaker 4: we can win again, and you know that I'll go
Speaker 4: blown to hell.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that one video where he addressed the nation
Speaker 1: at the beginning of COVID Trump and it ends with
Speaker 1: him going, Okay, I feel that's what they need to
Speaker 1: go back to. Is like this man was so overwhelmed
Speaker 1: by this jobs, like y'all don't understand. He thinks, like,
Speaker 1: speaking of movie iconography, he thinks that Hannibal Lecter is
Speaker 1: a real historical figure who has died. Like it doesn't.
Speaker 1: It's so confusing. What is possibly happening in his brain?
Speaker 4: Well, you know, Gettysburg.
Speaker 1: Wow, right, Gettysburg. Wow. It's great. So they are like,
Speaker 1: somewhat surprisingly Biden is proposing and I think Trump accepted
Speaker 1: that they completely sidestep the Commission on Presidential Debates, which
Speaker 1: is seem like it's leading down a fight club direction.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and it's also seems like it's designed to
Speaker 1: freeze out any other independent or third party candidates with brainworms. Yes, So,
Speaker 1: like I feel like this is one of those things
Speaker 1: where it's like, in this case, yes, fine, thank you
Speaker 1: for doing that. You know, Kennedy's pulling it sixteen percent
Speaker 1: according to some sources, which is right on the verge
Speaker 1: of the fifteen percent, a little bit over the fifteen
Speaker 1: percent that would qualify him to share the debate stage,
Speaker 1: and like, we don't want that as a like no
Speaker 1: thinking society. On the other hand, like it feels like
Speaker 1: a bad precedent.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you, dude, Let brain worm go. You
Speaker 3: up on the stage. If you can't beat brainworm, I mean,
Speaker 3: come on, it's a debate stage. You need to be
Speaker 3: able to have RFK there and use that to your benefit.
Speaker 3: Align him with your opponent, do everything you can to
Speaker 3: use that as a splinter. Don't be afraid of it,
Speaker 3: because that shows to me it advertises fear. So be
Speaker 3: excited that our fa is on there because it shows
Speaker 3: that the populace is not necessarily for Trump. Use that
Speaker 3: to your benefit.
Speaker 1: I feel like also RFK becomes like just seeing him
Speaker 1: in motion and like hearing him speak is less. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know, I feel I feel like he gains a
Speaker 1: lot from just people's associations and loses a lot from
Speaker 1: seeing him in person.
Speaker 2: Sure of all of them, but I mean, I do
Speaker 2: think that there is a real argument for like Trump
Speaker 2: on a debate stage just a freaking wild card, right,
Speaker 2: And you know, I think, and I think people of
Speaker 2: memory hold that in twenty sixteen, the debate really hurt Trump.
Speaker 2: And maybe the story of twenty sixteen is that there
Speaker 2: was too big of a gap between the last debate
Speaker 2: and the actual election for Trump to just start to
Speaker 2: people forget a little bit and started got a lot.
Speaker 1: Going on, Jody, Now he's just going to be focusing
Speaker 1: on this debate singularly, and.
Speaker 4: Debate laser laser focus.
Speaker 2: But now they're arguing, and I think as even as
Speaker 2: we've been taping, they're now like going back and forth
Speaker 2: with like a little do two, let's do three, let's
Speaker 2: do them early, let's do them and.
Speaker 1: The one now everyone out in court, Yeah, takes this
Speaker 1: jacket out.
Speaker 2: I do think in a weird way, both of them
Speaker 2: are trying to weasel out of the debates, but for
Speaker 2: different reasons, or like they they both they both I
Speaker 2: think probably don't want to actually debate, but for different reasons.
Speaker 2: And I think it's this weird now they have to
Speaker 2: call each other out but also try and minimize it.
Speaker 2: And so that's where you're getting into this weird like
Speaker 2: we're going to do them early in the summer and
Speaker 2: on like one network, and you know it's like debates.
Speaker 2: I mean, on the one hand, they'll still go everywhere
Speaker 2: because social media, but you know it's like if a
Speaker 2: debate happens and no one really.
Speaker 4: Watches it, and it's it's it's a network that Trump loaths,
Speaker 4: so it gives him an out. As they get closer
Speaker 4: to be like, oh, I can't trust them, They're slanted
Speaker 4: against me. I don't want to participate. It's all rigged.
Speaker 1: You The first one. Yeah, yeah, it just doesn't show.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's like, I stood you up. You're a loser exactly.
Speaker 3: I think that'll be it. I stood you up. I
Speaker 3: think that's gonna be the argument.
Speaker 4: Look at how embarrassing you were.
Speaker 2: There was a debate where they had an empty podium
Speaker 2: for Trump right at the primary.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's take a quick break. We'll come back.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about our cars spying on us. We'll be
Speaker 1: right back, and we're back. Hey, hey, alright, you have
Speaker 1: to understand it's surprising to us because we go into
Speaker 1: a black void during that head break.
Speaker 2: Let's do a quick let's do a quick buddy check.
Speaker 2: Make sure everyon's still here.
Speaker 1: A former cocout buddy check. All right, So our cars
Speaker 1: are basically devices for collecting data about us and Frank Yeah, yeah, so,
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, privacy major concern for anybody interacting with
Speaker 1: tech companies, whether it be you know, those companies monitoring
Speaker 1: your Internet history, government recording your cell phone calls. We
Speaker 1: still have to worry about good old fashioned perverts in
Speaker 1: our neighborhood. But the worst product for privacy is apparently
Speaker 1: our car. Modern cars are what's being called a privacy nightmare.
Speaker 1: While automakers are bragging that they're selling computers on wheels,
Speaker 1: they basically allow car companies to just spy on us
Speaker 1: with little to no oversight. A twenty twenty three study
Speaker 1: conducted by Mozilla's Privacy Not Included project found that all
Speaker 1: twenty five car brands that they examined flunked their tests,
Speaker 1: making cars the quote worst category of products that they
Speaker 1: ever reviewed. That's that's bad.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Recently manufactured cars have dozens of sensors, including microphones, cameras, microphones.
Speaker 2: Can I please read the finished the sentence you're about
Speaker 2: to read, because.
Speaker 1: It's the best part of this Jody, take it away.
Speaker 2: Dozens of sensors, including microphones and cameras that harvest personal information,
Speaker 2: including your quote, race, weight, and sexual activity, which can
Speaker 2: then be sold to third parties. Okay, your car is
Speaker 2: reading your race, weight and sexual activity, race waight and
Speaker 2: sexual activity in your car?
Speaker 3: Is that through the camera the mics? Like which way
Speaker 3: are they recording your sexual action?
Speaker 1: Just car?
Speaker 2: Just car sexual activity? Like we really need to know
Speaker 2: how many people are fucking in this car exactly?
Speaker 1: This is the great question, Like is it are they
Speaker 1: just tracking where you're going? And they're like another booty call,
Speaker 1: or like people jacking off in their car? Is it
Speaker 1: people having sex in their car? Like is it the
Speaker 1: seat sensor that? Like?
Speaker 2: And now how is that information than being used?
Speaker 1: How is that they're making better seats for sex? So yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it might I think probably to advertise condoms. Well, you
Speaker 1: get in the.
Speaker 4: Car, like you give the car, you open it up,
Speaker 4: and there's a pregnancy test sitting on the driver's seat.
Speaker 4: You're like, oh god.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just immediately drives you to the O, B, G,
Speaker 2: Y N.
Speaker 4: Tracking everything, yeah, tracking your cycles, you know everything.
Speaker 2: This is where, you know, with a lot of these
Speaker 2: types of stories, I find both despair but a slight
Speaker 2: little bit of hope, which is that like, I think
Speaker 2: these these are not the sharpest folks in the in
Speaker 2: the world, and and you know, their main strategy is
Speaker 2: let's just hoover up as much information as possible everything,
Speaker 2: and you know, but then what are they actually going
Speaker 2: to do with them? And it's kind of like, and
Speaker 2: I know, this is a ridicuous analogy, and this this
Speaker 2: organization did a ton of harm, but it's kind of
Speaker 2: like the CIA after the Cold War went into this
Speaker 2: motor like.
Speaker 1: We're gonna spy on everyone everything. We're gonna run. We're
Speaker 1: gonna run.
Speaker 2: We're gonna find out what happens when you take mushrooms
Speaker 2: when you're a cat and you take mushrooms in a
Speaker 2: in air below.
Speaker 1: We need to know that we're right.
Speaker 4: But they create this giant bank and they've got they
Speaker 4: just keep generating it and then you disaggregate it as
Speaker 4: each business comes to you and it's like, all right,
Speaker 4: here's exactly what I need, and then they can pull
Speaker 4: them up for them. So it's got I'm living this,
Speaker 4: by the way, you guys, I I'm not the sexual
Speaker 4: activity in the I got a Subaru not too long
Speaker 4: ago because I live in the Bay Area, and then
Speaker 4: as an aging punk that is apparently our new vehicle.
Speaker 4: And well I had to prove how many Decembers albums
Speaker 4: do you own? I was like three, like okay, yeah, yeah, here.
Speaker 2: Podcast and then oh yeah that was already.
Speaker 4: That's why that's why I got the upgrade the leather seats.
Speaker 4: So anyway, I get this car. If if I run
Speaker 4: out of wiper fluid, I get texts from the car
Speaker 4: like hey, hey, you're out a wiper.
Speaker 3: Fluid from your cart message, and then.
Speaker 4: I'll get like from the Subaru app the bit and
Speaker 4: then it gets like a little more urgent. It's like, look, bitch,
Speaker 4: take care of your car.
Speaker 1: I don't have to see can you see.
Speaker 4: Out of the windshield? Like pretty soon they're going to
Speaker 4: disable it like you're filthy, And it's like okay, okay,
Speaker 4: and then I just have to begrudgingly go to like
Speaker 4: O'Reilly's and get wipe or fluid put in. Then I
Speaker 4: was like slamming, are you happy now? Will you leave
Speaker 4: me alone?
Speaker 1: Starts quietly the auto parts.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what happens to me.
Speaker 1: Throw it there.
Speaker 4: So I'm living this nightmare, and god knows what else
Speaker 4: you're like, you know, she goes to the market a lot.
Speaker 3: You're now in a dysfunctional relationship with your super Yeah.
Speaker 4: In my life, I go around and I just gathered
Speaker 4: dysfunctional relationships. That's how I operate. So the car makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so nobody knows exactly how that data is being gathered.
Speaker 1: Just that like Nissan, for instance, is I think the
Speaker 1: worst defender on the report. They reserve the right to
Speaker 1: share and sell preferences. Characteristics, psychological trends, predispositions, behavior, attitudes, intelligence.
Speaker 1: This means a real dipshit. What if your car bought
Speaker 1: a Nissan the zoom zoom thing working on him?
Speaker 4: Is that something they did duck points when you're like
Speaker 4: trying to pull into a parking lot and you hit
Speaker 4: the curve.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Abilities and aptitude No, So this is where it's
Speaker 1: actually like the thing that you described. I'm like I
Speaker 1: kind of would take that like that's cool, Like I
Speaker 1: would take a text message being like, hey, you usually
Speaker 1: miss your oil change oil check by twenty thousand miles.
Speaker 1: We're just adding this extra service. We're just going to
Speaker 1: send you a text message letting you know, like you
Speaker 1: need to do this, and we'll text you every week
Speaker 1: just to remind you until you fucking do it.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, I want it to be like, uh ps,
Speaker 4: your passenger left fries in the seat of the car
Speaker 4: last night.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, horrible.
Speaker 4: When you get in there, it's it's almost.
Speaker 1: Like shit in your car.
Speaker 4: Yes, like points from my SUPERU points they're going to
Speaker 4: turn over to whatever. Yeah, got the government revenuers.
Speaker 1: So they're sending this information directly to the police without
Speaker 1: a warrant. They're also sending it to insurance companies and
Speaker 1: so like. One driver found that his car insurance jumped
Speaker 1: by twenty one percent even though he hadn't been in
Speaker 1: any accidents, and the reason was that General Motors collected data,
Speaker 1: including details of speeding and sharp accelerations, and gave it
Speaker 1: to their data broker partner, who handed it over to
Speaker 1: the insurance company. So every time you hit the accelerator,
Speaker 1: it's going on your permanent record.
Speaker 3: That's ridiculous. I'm so screwed.
Speaker 4: But that's the people who are like, I haven't been
Speaker 4: in an accident. I'm a great driver. You're like, really,
Speaker 4: you caused accidents behind you, but you personally haven't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's just an a automaker sent
Speaker 1: vehicle location data to police without a court order or warrant.
Speaker 3: Baddy snitching, Like what's there in it for them? Are
Speaker 3: they are the cops paying them? Or they just want
Speaker 3: to keep like a good accord, Like, what's up with it?
Speaker 2: I don't accord a good accord?
Speaker 4: Good sunset it right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I understand, because.
Speaker 1: That's how a lot of like, oh, the authorized.
Speaker 4: Okay, because I'm wondering if that's what the warrantless searches
Speaker 4: falls under that because if you can say that it's
Speaker 4: part of like terrorism, and that's a very loosely used term.
Speaker 4: Sure they used it to go after a lot of
Speaker 4: drug dealers and so they didn't you could get without
Speaker 4: a warrant. So I'm wondering if it falls under that.
Speaker 3: So what I'm doing.
Speaker 1: I remember when in like two thousand and two they
Speaker 1: were like, don't buy weed, it could be supporting al Qaeda,
Speaker 1: so like anything can be tied back to terrorism. I
Speaker 1: still bought weed.
Speaker 4: I won't tell anybody.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just don't know how the sex I'm having
Speaker 3: in my cars related to terrorism it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, don't find ladies.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean she used to be an Isis, but
Speaker 3: I don't think that she can.
Speaker 4: You need to be more con that Honda has like
Speaker 4: a cracksmoke sensor.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no problem, kidd.
Speaker 1: It really feels like we're headed that direction.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is though, Yeah, because we make fun of
Speaker 3: like China with like oh, they've got cameras and you're
Speaker 3: going to lose your social status score or whatever if
Speaker 3: you cross on a red light, but we have our
Speaker 3: cars snitching on us. I mean, like this is just
Speaker 3: the capitalist version of the state. Controlled monopoly of like surveillance.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is no different. We're just you know,
Speaker 3: people are making more profits off it.
Speaker 1: We're all like all like our score that we get
Speaker 1: from Uber drivers, our score that we get like all
Speaker 1: that's going to merge into a central database where we're
Speaker 1: just like our rating as a person, and then that
Speaker 1: gets that determines your credit score and whether you can
Speaker 1: get alone.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I was always afraid as a kid that I had
Speaker 4: my permanent record and like a filing cabinet somewhere, And
Speaker 4: now we kind.
Speaker 3: Of do we really do have a permanent R.
Speaker 4: So the anxiety was probably not your anxiety. No, nothing does.
Speaker 1: Oh man, my permanent record is fucked. Oh god, I
Speaker 1: try to steal that. It's great. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I burned down the school to just geet rid
Speaker 3: of my permanent record.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but that went on your permanent right exactly.
Speaker 3: I didn't know that fortune I was young.
Speaker 1: Ye. Well, Zaren Elizabeth. Such a pleasure having you guys.
Speaker 4: I love when you let us dark in your doorway?
Speaker 1: Yeah, where can people find you? Follow you? Hear you?
Speaker 1: All that good stuff?
Speaker 4: Well, ridiculous crime, I heart's ridiculous crime. The child of
Speaker 4: Ben and Nole's Ridiculous History and so you can find
Speaker 4: us there on any podcast platform. We have a really
Speaker 4: amazing website that was designed by like a team of
Speaker 4: MIT scientists. It's Ridiculous Crime dot com. And yeah, that's
Speaker 4: where you can find is Zaren. You can find him
Speaker 4: a lot more, please.
Speaker 3: I got a new show on the iHeart Network of
Speaker 3: very special episodes or like little audio movies or like
Speaker 3: magazine feature stories but that come alive in audio. I
Speaker 3: recommend that, and then yeah, I think a Ridiculus Crime
Speaker 3: is obviously the best place to catch us.
Speaker 1: So look for us there.
Speaker 2: Wait, Arreen, what's that show called again?
Speaker 3: Very Special Episodes?
Speaker 2: Right, I'm gonna check it out.
Speaker 1: Amazing. Is there a work of media that you guys
Speaker 1: have been enjoying?
Speaker 3: Let's see. IM right off into streaming services, like I'll
Speaker 3: sit there and like just put on some show that
Speaker 3: I have like six six seasons, like nice, and then
Speaker 3: like it comes the backdrop, but they're always insane shows
Speaker 3: like right now I'm watching rewatching Vikings, and oh my god,
Speaker 3: do I love it. It's so beautiful that I constantly
Speaker 3: look up and get mad that I'm like not writing
Speaker 3: anymore because I'm looking at the imagery, so I recommend
Speaker 3: Vikings for a rewatch.
Speaker 1: There you go amazing.
Speaker 4: How about you, Elizabeth, I've really gotten into it. I
Speaker 4: hate that I can't remember the name of the account,
Speaker 4: but there's this Instagram account with a dog that they
Speaker 4: dress up and they like blow out his hair in
Speaker 4: a gold chain and it kind of looks like early
Speaker 4: Jonah Hill. And I love that for me, you know,
Speaker 4: Like I said, I just I try and just keep
Speaker 4: my city very low.
Speaker 3: He's on with the Bob ross Affron completely.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So that's it.
Speaker 1: Jody, wonderful having you on, Yeah, guest host. Where can
Speaker 1: people find you? Follow you? And is there a workid
Speaker 1: media that you've been enjoying.
Speaker 2: I'll plug two quick things. So one, I have a newsletter.
Speaker 2: I would love people to subscribe to that, so you
Speaker 2: can just google Jody Afrigan substack you'll find that. And then, uh,
Speaker 2: he doesn't need my help. But I'm I'm recently on
Speaker 2: board as the executive producer of Trevor Noah's podcast, and
Speaker 2: I got to say, I really love it and I
Speaker 2: love working with him a lot, and people should check
Speaker 2: out What Now with Trevor Noah. I think we're trying
Speaker 2: to do something a little a little special there, so
Speaker 2: go check that out. And then in terms of media,
Speaker 2: I just I mean the final pages, so no one
Speaker 2: spoiled it for me. But this book called burnham Wood
Speaker 2: b I R N A M. Would, which is really
Speaker 2: wonderful and it's a I have this habit of when
Speaker 2: I take a trip. If I'm taking a long trip
Speaker 2: and I want to find a book for a trip,
Speaker 2: I'll go to the Hudson News and I'll take a
Speaker 2: photo of like all the books on the shelf and
Speaker 2: just put it on social media and just say, like,
Speaker 2: zoom in and pinch around and tell me what, which
Speaker 2: one of these is actually good? And a couple people
Speaker 2: recommended burnam Wood last time, and it was like the
Speaker 2: best of every time, of all the times I've done this,
Speaker 2: it was the best, the best read.
Speaker 3: And it's like, give me a suggestion. That's great. You've
Speaker 3: limited it down to like which of these that's really.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm just gonna you know, I'm gonna buy
Speaker 2: an airport book, but I want to go the Airport
Speaker 2: book and I'm gonna read it on this trip and
Speaker 2: then move move on.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna probably borrow that do that. What is
Speaker 1: what is the book?
Speaker 2: What b I R N A M would And it's
Speaker 2: a it's about a like environmental collective in New Zealand
Speaker 2: that meets uh, mysterious billionaire and you know, like some
Speaker 2: stuff happens, but mostly it's just like beautifully written and
Speaker 2: great greatly rendered characters and a lot of like rich
Speaker 2: interior lives and you know, I like my main experience
Speaker 2: reading the book has been like it reads easy. I
Speaker 2: mean I'm just like find it stuff like all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, I like five pages. But then I'll like
Speaker 2: have read a page and I'll just be like, that
Speaker 2: was beautiful, and then I'll be like, and nothing happened.
Speaker 2: It was just like a description of someone just like
Speaker 2: walking down the street. But it's just I don't know,
Speaker 2: you know, it's good, right, yeah.
Speaker 1: All right. Tweet I've been enjoying. Ellie Kremndall tweeted, ADHD
Speaker 1: is ridiculous, Like why am I holding my pee? Because
Speaker 1: quote peeing is boring and I identify with that. Showering
Speaker 1: for me is the one that I'm like, I don't
Speaker 1: want to shower. It's so boring. That's bad for the
Speaker 1: people around me. You can find me on Twitter at
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Speaker 1: We link off to the information that we talked about
Speaker 1: in today's episode, as well as the song that we
Speaker 1: think you might enjoy. And Miles is we like to
Speaker 1: bring in super producer Justin Connor. Justin, is there a
Speaker 1: song that you think people might enjoy?
Speaker 7: Yes, I'm reeling from the fact that there was no
Speaker 7: footnotes shout out, so I'm still trying to collect myself
Speaker 7: for that. But the songs I had one job, Yeah
Speaker 7: you really really fucked up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1: I'll add that you post.
Speaker 2: No one will be able to tell.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 7: There's this song I just started listening to. It really
Speaker 7: reminded me of like an unreleased Steve Miller band song.
Speaker 7: It's it's kind of got the aesthetic feeling of fly
Speaker 7: like an eagle while being an own separate thing. Yeah,
Speaker 7: it's it's got some tight in the pocket drumming, some
Speaker 7: funky bass riffs and just feels like a modern classic.
Speaker 7: So this is the Light by Breakbot and Earfane. That's
Speaker 7: I R F A n E. And you can find
Speaker 7: that song in the footnotes.
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Speaker 6: Bye.
Speaker 3: Thanks us, thanks for having us.
Speaker 2: Bye.