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Speaker 1: All right, welcome in it's our Sunday Night Monday Morning

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Speaker 1: podcast with Jason Timpf Hoops tonight. We'll be doing this

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Speaker 1: for the next six to seven weeks during the NBA

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Speaker 1: playoffs and sometimes Simplicity wins. I'll give you an example.

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Speaker 1: So I went to I usually go workout in the mornings.

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Speaker 1: then from the workout there's a Bristol Farms, a grocery

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Speaker 1: I did that this morning, go work out the incline, cardio,

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Speaker 1: timpf hoops tonight and over the next six to seven weeks.

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Speaker 1: This is what we do. We chop it up. We

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Speaker 3: So you know, it's funny. I did my film session

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Speaker 3: has I think twenty seven clips from last night's game,

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Speaker 3: and really everything came down to these two stretches. There's

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's playing at an insanely high level. So

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Speaker 1: No, I think it's I think that's a really good point.

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Speaker 1: Nothing, and if he doesn't get the shot, which is

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Speaker 1: So I want to talk about the Sun's Minnesota. So

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Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting if we tend to give basketball

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Speaker 1: players a little bit of a pass. So you know,

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Speaker 1: in baseball there's the five tool player term. You know,

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Speaker 1: Barry Bonds could hit Ron Steele, you know everything defend.

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Speaker 1: And in football, we like our quarterbacks. You really get

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Speaker 1: penalized Jared Goff, he's not mobile, right, not Super Bowls.

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Speaker 1: So we like our quarterbacks and our baseball players to

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Speaker 1: have multiple tools. And I'm watching Kevin Durant and I'm

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Speaker 1: sitting there and I'm like, and I understand scoring seventy

446
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Speaker 1: five percent of the game. Defense is twenty five percent.

447
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Speaker 1: But he's not a big assist guy. He's a willing defender,

448
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 1: not usually a great defender. It's not a big rebound guy.

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Speaker 1: He is a great get a bucket guy, but he

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Speaker 1: doesn't want to be a leader, you know. And I'm

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Speaker 1: watching that series and Minnesota is pushing Phoenix all over

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Speaker 1: the floor. And at no time Lebron in his prime

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Speaker 1: or out of it, what it's set timeout, he'd go

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Speaker 1: to the huddle. He would call out guys. D Wade

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Speaker 1: would do that. A lot of the great players in

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Speaker 1: the league really lead Steph cree Lean into Draymond Green's

457
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Speaker 1: not even he is a great player, but Draymond will

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Speaker 1: call you out. And I'm watching him and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: this is just a bad two and a half hours

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Speaker 1: of effort. This is an awful effort. They're being pushed

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Speaker 1: all over the floor. Aunt Edwards has taken over the game.

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Speaker 1: Dynamic player, but I wonder sometimes with KD. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's a wanderer. When he left Golden State, I made

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Speaker 1: the argument, I said, if Mahomes left the Chiefs and

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid for the Jets, we crush him. We're like,

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Speaker 1: are you out of your mind? He went with Kyrie

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Speaker 1: and We're like, well, you know, he's got a different personality.

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Speaker 1: He left the Warriors, suck it up, get along with Draymon,

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Speaker 1: And I watched and I thought, do we give Kad

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Speaker 1: a pass? Because in a sport that is very much artistry.

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Speaker 1: He is one of the great shot makers of my life.

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Speaker 1: But I want more from him. I watched that game

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, you have to get physical. I want

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Speaker 1: more from you here than twenty seven points which I

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Speaker 1: get every night from you. Am I being too harsh

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Speaker 1: or is any of this rings somewhat true?

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Speaker 3: I think it's the reality of Kadi's personality in the

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Speaker 3: sense that, like, I think Kadi loves basketball and I

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Speaker 3: don't think he gives a shit about what we think.

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Speaker 4: He should be.

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Speaker 3: And what I mean by that is like, like, for instance,

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Speaker 3: when he went to the Warriors, that move is a

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Speaker 3: very clear demonstration he saw all of this obvious backlash

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Speaker 3: that was going to be there, but in the middle

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Speaker 3: of it, he saw, but hey, playing basketball Steph Curry

486
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Speaker 3: might be a lot of fun, you know, and like

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Speaker 3: he might enjoy playing in a really good, smart basketball system.

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Speaker 3: That's what he saw. That's what he targeted and he

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Speaker 3: went there. Now it went south because of a lot

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Speaker 3: of different things while he was there. But I think, honestly,

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Speaker 3: basketball just kind of determines most of it his decision makings,

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Speaker 3: even when it comes down to leadership. And Kevin Durant

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Speaker 3: has said this on Twitter before, but like he doesn't

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Speaker 3: necessarily view leadership as like something that you say to

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Speaker 3: people or that you're very boisterous and visible doing. He's

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Speaker 3: very much a lead by example guy, and honestly, like

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Speaker 3: he's got an opportunity here in this series because he's

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Speaker 3: got the best capability reversing the trend of this series.

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Speaker 3: What happened in that that game was what's happened to

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Speaker 3: Phoenix a bunch this year is sometimes they get punched

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Speaker 3: in the mouth in a physical game and they wilt.

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Speaker 3: We talked about this early the last time we really

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Speaker 3: did show Yeah, oh yeah. And there's a separate conversation

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Speaker 3: we could have about how like this the game is

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Speaker 3: getting super physical and like teams like Minnesota are benefiting

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Speaker 3: from it, right, like teams like the Clippers are benefiting

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Speaker 3: from teams like the Knicks. Like it's actually playing into

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Speaker 3: the strength of the more physically minded teams. But one

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Speaker 3: of the issues is the different than what they did

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Speaker 3: in their last regular season matchup, they put ant on

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Speaker 3: KD in the regular season matchup, and they put Jade

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Speaker 3: McDaniels on Devin Booker. This time they move Aunt over

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Speaker 3: to Bradley Beal and so KD had Carl Towns on

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Speaker 3: him and to your point, thirty one points, super efficient,

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Speaker 3: eleven for seventeen. But the Sun's offense was terrible in

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Speaker 3: that entire game. And the main thing that he can

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Speaker 3: do to turn that around, and again it's it's less

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Speaker 3: about him barking at people and yelling. It's about him

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Speaker 3: in terms of his approach. He needs to focus on

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Speaker 3: Kat as an entry point to get the defense and

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Speaker 3: rotation so that they can play more team basketball. That game,

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Speaker 3: they had assists on fewer than half of their made

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Speaker 3: field goals. That team has been good post deadline because

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Speaker 3: they've been getting assists on sixty six percent of their

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Speaker 3: made field goals post deadline. They look good when they're

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Speaker 3: driving and kicking and playing for each other. And when

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Speaker 3: you have the three star build, if you play your turn,

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Speaker 3: my turn, it's diminishing returns and you don't benefit from

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Speaker 3: the of all the talent when you play for each other.

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Speaker 3: And now Devin Booker and Bradley Beal and Kevin Durant

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Speaker 3: are attacking closeouts. That's when you have the force multiplier

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Speaker 3: element of having all of those stars together. And so

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Speaker 3: what I want to see KD do is, yes, help

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Speaker 3: set the tone physically, that's going to be something they

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Speaker 3: all have to do. But I think he needs to

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Speaker 3: embrace that Carl Towns matchup as an opportunity to beat

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Speaker 3: him off the dribble and be a playmaker, because if

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Speaker 3: he does, I think that'll loosen things up for the Suns.

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Speaker 3: But again, like I think you've seen enough from Katie

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Speaker 3: over the last few years that he didn't really care

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Speaker 3: what we think about him.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't. I just yeah, it was just it was

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Speaker 1: just such a weak effort and it was just it

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Speaker 1: never got course corrected. It was just this is just

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Speaker 1: not going to be our game. And is the you know,

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Speaker 1: even the Mavericks made a run against the Clippers, and

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Speaker 1: I want to pivot to that one. I mean, it

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Speaker 1: was they had an awful first half and it was basically,

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Speaker 1: I mean, who's their third best player, PJ Washington? It

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Speaker 1: was Kyrie and Doncic and that's kind of their offense.

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Speaker 1: And and so again, you you I think the NBA

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Speaker 1: you used to. We always used to talk about tandems.

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Speaker 1: But I do think you have to have really high

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Speaker 1: end third players. I mean, Jesus is is KCP the

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Speaker 1: fifth best Nugget. That's a really good fifth player. Derek

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Speaker 1: White is your fifth best Celtic. That's a really good

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Speaker 1: NBA player. Wa PJ. Washington is your third best player.

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Speaker 1: He's about a twelve thirteen point a game gay, not

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Speaker 1: a bad player at all. Probably should be your fourth

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Speaker 1: or fifth if he's a third. And I'm just I'm

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Speaker 1: throwing it out there as a guy, I think kind

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Speaker 1: of as a you know, thirteen points a game. But

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Speaker 1: it was interesting. So teams did well. Older teams tended

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Speaker 1: to do well, the Lakers, notwithstanding, who had a very

565
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Speaker 1: very good road first quarter. But as I watched the

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Speaker 1: Clippers just take it to them again, I noticed the

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Speaker 1: same thing Suns, te Wolves, Clippers, more physical Clippers in

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Speaker 1: the paint. And I was wondering this in a regular

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Speaker 1: season with diminishing returns. That is largely the Milwaukee Bucks

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Speaker 1: social team today. It's like, hey, the part of the

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Speaker 1: year that nobody cares about is over.

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Speaker 4: That's the team.

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Speaker 1: So these road teams, who you know, they haven't played

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Speaker 1: a lot of intense basketball, go on the road, home

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Speaker 1: playoff game number one, crowds into it, national TV games,

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Speaker 1: and outside of the Lakers, I felt like I watched

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Speaker 1: a lot of road teams. They were engulfed. They just

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Speaker 1: weren't ready to play. So a home team, they come

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Speaker 1: off this you know, lais ferret regular season, but they

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Speaker 1: are the crowd is jet fuel. You know, Milwaukee out

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Speaker 1: and the crowd's on fire. It's national TV. They don't

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Speaker 1: get on national TV, and they just bring a ton

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Speaker 1: of energy. Indiana's young, you know, you're kind of the

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Speaker 1: regular season as a less of a pulse. But that

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Speaker 1: was kind of my takeaway on Dallas and the Clippers.

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Speaker 1: It was just like home team, a lot of energy,

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Speaker 1: super physical, old guys, a lot of pride, and Dallas

588
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Speaker 1: just wasn't quite ready to play. Is that fair?

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Speaker 4: One hundred percent agree.

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Speaker 3: I did a little instant reaction to that on my

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Speaker 3: channel earlier, and that was what I led with, is

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Speaker 3: that Dallas just didn't really seem ready. I thought you

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Speaker 3: could tell. The very first possession from both teams was

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00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 3: the dead giveaway. First Mavericks offensive possession, Luca dribbles around

595
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Speaker 3: on the perimeter, works through two switches and takes a

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Speaker 3: step back three. The Clippers get a rebound run out

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Speaker 3: the other way. On the other end, James hard and

598
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Speaker 3: ball screen comes screaming downhill, kick out to Paul George.

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Speaker 3: He misses the three, but Kyrie Irving just is standing

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Speaker 3: in the corner and Terrence Man just sprints right by him,

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Speaker 3: grabs the offensive rebound, kicks out to a mere Coffee

602
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Speaker 3: at the top of the key, and he hits a three,

603
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Speaker 3: And you're like, whoa, Like, It's just it's like going

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Speaker 3: from chill mode to a blender on the opposite side

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Speaker 3: of the It's crazy the difference that it makes. And

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Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, like, I think that also kind of

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Speaker 3: plays into what we were talking about earlier with physicality,

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Speaker 3: as the league has allowed more physicality and defenses have

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Speaker 3: been given more power. Yeah, the home teams that are

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Speaker 3: feeding off of that are benefiting from it. I think

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Speaker 3: the athleticism helps as well. And I think, honestly, experience

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Speaker 3: helps a certain amount. I thought the Pacers game in particular. Yeah, Like,

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Speaker 3: the Pacers are the third most efficient jump shooting team

614
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Speaker 3: in the league according to Synergy, and the Bucks allow

615
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Speaker 3: the fifth most jump shot attempts in the league perc Entergy.

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Speaker 3: That should be a matchup that favors Indiana at one point.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like they couldn't make anything because they're all nerved

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Speaker 3: up in there, you know. And like one of the

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Speaker 3: other things too, is in a super physical environment, guess

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Speaker 3: what jump shots are really hard to make? Like that's

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Speaker 3: that's kind of like just the reality of that situation.

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Speaker 3: But you know, as far as the Mavericks Clippers game goes,

624
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Speaker 3: this is the real story there, and I think this

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Speaker 3: is gonna be an issue that the MAVs are gonna

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Speaker 3: have to deal with. They every single time down the

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Speaker 3: floor brought Luka Doncic, got him switched on to James

628
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Speaker 3: Harden or Paul George and attacked him every single time.

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Speaker 3: It was crazy. Like now, tylu is famous for this,

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Speaker 3: and I've seen this personally as a Lakers fan, as

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Speaker 3: he every single time we play the Clippers. It's like,

632
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Speaker 3: attack Austin Reeves, attack Austinariess, attack Austinaries, like that's what

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Speaker 3: they do.

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Speaker 4: Tylu Is.

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Speaker 3: Like tylu is like one of my favorite coaches in

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Speaker 3: the league because he kind of has a different approach

637
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Speaker 3: than some of the more you know, super fancy schematic coaches.

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Speaker 3: He's very much like a We're a matchup attacking team.

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Speaker 3: That's what our roster is. We have a bunch of

640
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Speaker 3: guys who can attack matchups. So we're gonna pick on

641
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 3: your weakest link every single time down the floor. And

642
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 3: literally it was like he found out early. It's like, oh,

643
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 3: gafferd can't guard Zubach. Let's just post him up every

644
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 3: single time until they take him out of the game.

645
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 3: They took Gafford out with like eight and a half

646
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 3: minutes left in the first quarter because Zubach scored on

647
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 3: him three consecutive times in the post. It's like, okay,

648
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 3: now we're going after Luca. And they started just attacking

649
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 3: Luca and that's how James Harden got going. He hit

650
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,719
Speaker 3: three buckets in a row on Luca. Then he got

651
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 3: in a rhythm and then he started hitting the tougher shots.

652
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 3: Paul George started attacking him. Like the real issue there

653
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 3: is like Luca during the regular season can kind of

654
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 3: float through, but he's gonna have to find a way

655
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 3: to counter that. There's an easy schematic counter. They need

656
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 3: to have Luca Hedge in recover. We won't get into it,

657
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 3: but it's a schematic counter. They get you to protect

658
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 3: to Luca in that situation. But Luca's gonna have to

659
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 3: embrace that defensive responsibility because the Clippers will not stop

660
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 3: going at him in this series.

661
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you know, the Clippers are interesting sometimes.

662
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: You know, we have questions about Kawhi. I never questioned Tylu.

663
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: I love Paul George, but there's a lot of dudes here.

664
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: I mean, at his best, Westbrook off the bench, Harden,

665
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: Teror's Man, Zubac, Kawhi, Paul George, Like, let's not kid

666
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: ourselves here. It's one of the best rosters in the league.

667
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: There's really good players. They have size, they have experience.

668
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: Now it's a lot of odd players, animatic players like

669
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: Harden and Rush in the postseason, Kawhi, Leonard's like non verbal.

670
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: It's an odd roster. But if you start stacking up

671
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: zero to seven, you don't get to Westbrook at six

672
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: and seven very much. In the NBA, Like again, Dallas's

673
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: third best players arguably PJ. Washington, good player. I'm not

674
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: knocking a nice player. Kentucky kid, really nice player, I

675
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: think Kentucky. But it's like Okay, you start, you start going,

676
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: Paul George is your third best, Like Paul's really really easy,

677
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: you know, seven, eight time All Star whatever he is.

678
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: So as I watched that series, I'm like, you know,

679
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: last year I bought another Clippers hard and I just

680
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: went it was a facial. I really bought into him.

681
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: But they hadn't played a lot together. It was weird.

682
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: I don't know.

683
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 3: I have a quick follow up Colin on the on

684
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 3: the the MAVs. When are we going to have a

685
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 3: conversation about the I have a couple of stars and

686
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 3: then a bunch of specialists because that was literally what

687
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 3: Houston was with Chris Paul and James Harden and it

688
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 3: had a certain ceiling. Oh now we're seeing seeing it

689
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 3: with no Kyrie and Luca where it's like it's like

690
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 3: the ball, like you can literally see Kleeba like catch

691
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 3: on the wing and be like am I supposed to

692
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 3: shoot it?

693
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 4: Like?

694
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: You know?

695
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 3: And and it's one of those things where I think,

696
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 3: I think, if Dallas does lose this series, it's time

697
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 3: to start having a conversation about the like the specialist

698
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 3: in this super athletic, spread out speed based game, you've

699
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 3: got to have five guys who can play offense. And

700
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 3: that's what Denver has. Yeah, Denver has five guys that

701
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,439
Speaker 3: could play offense. Golden State had five guys that could

702
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 3: play offense. Like that, to me is a really interesting

703
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 3: kind of like subplot here is they the Clippers just

704
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 3: got the ball out of Kyrie and Luca's hands and

705
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 3: those other guys couldn't score well.

706
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: And you know, Jason, this is why it's so important.

707
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:31,280
Speaker 1: This is why I always drag mellow. If you don't defend,

708
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 1: then I am forced to put people on the floor

709
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: that are excellent defenders and are limited. So Kyrie doesn't defend.

710
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: Luca's better at defending, but you're forcing me now to

711
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: acquire people to protect you. The greatness of the Warriors

712
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: was Draymond was a great defender, but a catalyst offensively.

713
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: And Clay was a great defender, but the best cat

714
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: and shoot guy, catch and shoot guy maybe a decade.

715
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 1: So they they're guys that were great defensively where you

716
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: had to protect staff, you didn't have a lot of size.

717
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: They ended up being really valuable offensive pieces. And by

718
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: the way, that's rare. You know, if Ben Wallace could

719
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: have shot a three, he would have been, you know,

720
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: an all time player instead of twelve a game. He's

721
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: twenty two. So it's hard to find those guys. But

722
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: I find that when you have elite offensive players. That's

723
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 1: why the pairing of Luca and Kyrie is a bit problematic. Oh,

724
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,919
Speaker 1: I've got to get a rim protector. Well, he can't score. Well,

725
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 1: they still have to have it, and you know that's

726
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: It's one of the reasons I do think the Lakers

727
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: have a lot of promise because Reeves, d lo lebron

728
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: Ad they can all score, right, so you can you

729
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: can and it does matter. I think I feel like

730
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: the Mads are lobsided. It's almost like when Tennessee had

731
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 1: Ryan Tannehill, like, we're gonna have to like be a

732
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 1: little lobsided on the run. We've got a ceiling at quarterback.

733
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: They ended up as a number one seed one year.

734
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 1: But when they got to the playoffs and you play

735
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: better teams and better coaches, they expose it. And so

736
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: I think what the Clippers did. They exposed the Maverick said,

737
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 1: you've got two guys on the floor, they're just not

738
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: offensive players. But if you don't have them, Kyrie is

739
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:10,439
Speaker 1: not even accountable sometimes defensively. So I think it's that's

740
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: the downside to having highly offensive players. Most great offensive

741
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: players do commit in their prime years. They get tired

742
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: of defense or worn down, but they commit to it,

743
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: for like Kobe, for an eight to nine year period

744
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: and then at the beginning you're not very good. At

745
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: the end, you're not very good. But I felt like

746
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: watching Dallas it's they're a little obsided.

747
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 3: Mike Malone has said before, specialists can't play in the playoffs.

748
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 3: It's it's been something that like, Okay, they're the easiest

749
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 3: guys to target in various ways. And it's interesting because PJ.

750
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 3: Washington and Maxi Kaliba together in the front court at

751
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 3: the four or five has been my favorite Dallas look

752
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 3: since the trade deadline. I actually like it when they

753
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 3: go no center. They're more athletic, they have more ability

754
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 3: to fly around in rotation. But to your point, that

755
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 3: ended up being a major offensive issue in this particular

756
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 3: matchup today, And like PJ. Washington, I agree with you.

757
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 3: I think he's probably their third best player, and he

758
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,399
Speaker 3: has more offensive pop in general, but he's like a

759
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 3: low thirties catch and shoot guy, so generally speaking, as

760
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 3: long as you can kind of shade the floor in

761
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 3: a certain way to where he's catching on the perimeter,

762
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 3: you can close out short and you have a better

763
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 3: chance to contain that and it and like essentially, like

764
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 3: they're actually the opposite of the Suns in the sense

765
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 3: that like the Sons were like, no, we're gonna have

766
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 3: really good off ball offensive talent, and they have that.

767
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 3: So Minnesota's like, Okay, we're just gonna stay home off

768
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 3: the ball and make Kevin Durant and Devin Booker and

769
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 3: Bradley Beale play one on one and two on two

770
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,919
Speaker 3: in ball screens and make them make tough shots over

771
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 3: our elite perimeter defenders. And Rudy Gobert the Clippers are, like,

772
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 3: the MAVs are the exact opposite. They don't have great

773
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 3: off ball offensive talent, but they've got good defenders in

774
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 3: their off ball players. So the Clippers are like, We're

775
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 3: just gonna throw the kitchen sink at Luca and Kyrie

776
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 3: and make these guys score. And so what you're seeing

777
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,800
Speaker 3: is the problem with both because the Suns can't contend

778
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 3: physically in a lot of certain matchups in the MAVs

779
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 3: can't score against these certain types of matchups, and so

780
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 3: it's it's kind of just an interesting conversation about team building,

781
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 3: Like you need, like Aaron Gordon's an interesting example. Aaron

782
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 3: Gordon is a Swiss army knife in his own way. Yeah,

783
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 3: he can attack mismatches in the post. He can guard

784
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 3: Lebron James, Jimmy Butler, Kevin Durant, those guys credibly, But

785
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 3: at the same time, he's like a really functional piece

786
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 3: in their five out offense. So like he's a super

787
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 3: versatile basketball player, but if you dive into it, you're like,

788
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 3: he's a if he jumps shooter, he's not the most

789
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 3: efficient guy in this spot, blah.

790
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 4: Blah blah blah.

791
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 3: Like but it's like, because his specific skill set kind

792
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 3: of fits into what Denver needs to do super valuable

793
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,439
Speaker 3: And so I think it's just an interesting conversation about

794
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 3: team buildings well.

795
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: And what's interesting with him as much like Draymon, you

796
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: don't have to create offense for Draymon, he sort of

797
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: creates his own rebounding screening With Gordon, you wouldn't want

798
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: another shooter KCP shoots Murray, shoot Porter from the corner,

799
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: shoot Jokic. I don't need to design more plays. I

800
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: don't need that. He's a perfect player. When you had

801
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: Steph Clan Durant, I don't need another guy that have

802
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,959
Speaker 1: to dial up shots to Draymond will give me seven,

803
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: thirteen rebounds, eleven assists. The great teams all have that

804
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:21,720
Speaker 1: guy like he'll give you eleven. But he's totally Rodman

805
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: with the Bulls, totally prideful in being the tough guy,

806
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: the bouncher at the bar, the ugly player, the on

807
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: the floor guy, and takes incredible pride in it. And

808
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,240
Speaker 1: I think that's Gordon. So I want to go, let's

809
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: finish with this Nicks sixers, So I picked this is

810
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 1: just a big mistake. I think the Knicks essentially are

811
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 1: a one man offense and not even a highly functional offense.

812
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 1: If Jalen Brunson's not in, They're like watching Villanova. The

813
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: margins are tight, they're not explosive offensively, but they play

814
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: good defense. They give you great effort. So my take

815
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: on the Knicks coming into the playoffs was because of Thibodeau.

816
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: Their effort in the regular season is so strong. Seventy

817
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: five of the eighty two games they win games on

818
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: effort because in the regular season, I mean, you're resting players.

819
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: Guys don't give you that. The older teams, the Milwaukee's,

820
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: they're nights. Milwaukee just didn't you show up to play

821
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: New York Alhay shows up to play. You get to

822
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: the playoffs, everybody's efforts high. But I'm watching that game

823
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,439
Speaker 1: and there's about seven minutes left, and I'm like, yeah,

824
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: I think Philadelphia's got more good players. I mean, if

825
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: you have mb and Maxie have two stars, I can

826
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: get a jumper from Buddy Healed. I've got, but toom

827
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: I've got, you know, Tobias Harris. And I look at

828
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: the Knicks and I'm like, they really are Villanova. I'm like,

829
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 1: they have a self belief, They defend on every possession.

830
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 1: They have guys that could finish with nine points. They

831
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: all come at the right time, and I think in

832
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: the East that's good enough. In the West it would

833
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: get flushed out. But I watched the Knicks and I'm like,

834
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: I just keep doubting them. I love Brunson, but I'm like,

835
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: I mean, they got to have Julius Randall, they got

836
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: to have nineteen points. What am I supposed to make

837
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: of the Knicks. I mean that's supposed to beat Now.

838
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 1: Some of it could just be you know, Knicks energy

839
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: the garden. But I watched that, I'm like, I can

840
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: keep banging on Philadelphia. Philadelphia's got good players. There are

841
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: a lot of good players here.

842
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 4: What is it?

843
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,919
Speaker 1: What's the Knicks magic? Analytically? What is the data say

844
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 1: their magic is?

845
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 3: So first of all, like I was in the same

846
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 3: camp as you coming into this series. I actually sat

847
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 3: down for my film session and going like, I'm gonna

848
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 3: pick the Knicks today, And then I started watching the film.

849
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, Phillies are really good.

850
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, Like they have a lot of really

851
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 3: good players, and I'm like I started to think, like

852
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 3: they're gonna really be able to throw the kitchen sink

853
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 3: at Brunson. I think this is gonna be a half

854
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 3: court mismatch. So I ended up picking the Sixers. And

855
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 3: for the record, like about one in four times a

856
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 3: team loses Game one and comes back to win the series.

857
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 3: So there will be probably two teams in this first

858
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 3: round who lost Game one but come back to win.

859
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 3: Last year happened twice in the first round as well.

860
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 3: The Warriors lost in Sacramento Game one, came back and

861
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 3: won the series. The Sun's lost of the Clippers came

862
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 3: back and won the series. So like it does happen,

863
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 3: and this script might get flipped, but the dynamic was

864
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 3: actually crazy how much the Knicks dominated this game in

865
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 3: the margin. So here's some this is this stat is amazing.

866
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 3: Colin the half court offensive rating, which means just half

867
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 3: court possessions.

868
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, points per one hundred.

869
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 3: Possessions, the Sixers had a ninety nine offensive rating in

870
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 3: the half court against the Knicks. In that game, the

871
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 3: Knicks had a seventy seven offensive rating, so they dominated

872
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 3: the half court battle by twenty two points per one

873
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 3: hundred possessions. That is like a complete and total outclassing.

874
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,760
Speaker 3: But the Knicks one, and here's why, in second chance

875
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 3: points and in fast break points they won fifty three

876
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 3: to nineteen. For fifty three to nineteen. Yeah, they absolutely

877
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 3: bludgeoned them on the offensive glass and bludgeoned them in transition.

878
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 3: So like the Sixers have a simple pathway here. Yeah,

879
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 3: if you can, if you can keep up with the

880
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 3: dirty work, you'll probably win. You have more skill in

881
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 3: the half court. You saw Tyrese Maxi dicing them up

882
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 3: in that third quarter.

883
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: They got good shots.

884
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 4: They got really good shots.

885
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 3: Now, the one thing I will say as a counter

886
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 3: to that, there was one little thing that kind of

887
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 3: like stood out to me in that fourth quarter run.

888
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 3: Mitchell Robinson might be able to guard Embiid like he

889
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 3: did a pretty good job on him. And there's this

890
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 3: thing that happens sometimes. It's so funny because I use

891
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 3: this example on my show. Do you remember Lebron? Like

892
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 3: Lebron would just run rough shot through the entire league

893
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 3: and no one could guard him. But then like he'd

894
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 3: run into like Andre Gudala or like roy or Kawhi Leonard,

895
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 3: he'd run into like a random guy that could kind

896
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 3: of match up with him physically, and then it would

897
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 3: make Lebron work harder. And honestly, that was when you'd

898
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 3: see the best of Lebron is when like it's not

899
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 3: easy and he'd still find a way, right. And like

900
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 3: we even see that sometimes with Jokic. It's like you

901
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 3: watch him go up against Embiid and it's like, WHOA,

902
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 3: Embiid's big enough to like kind of hang with him, right,

903
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,280
Speaker 3: and it makes things difficult. Mitchell Robinson has the unique

904
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 3: ability to give em bead a little bit of space

905
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 3: but also close the gap and contest. And so the

906
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 3: one thing if I'm a Knicks fan, the one thing

907
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 3: where I'm like, Okay, we got dominated in the half court.

908
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 3: Maybe the Sixers can turn this around. The one thing

909
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 3: I'm clinging to is what if Mitchell Robinson gives and

910
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 3: be just a bad series, because then this could get

911
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 3: ugly because Tyre Smax he had some trouble with Deuce

912
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 3: McBride too. There he could kind of match it with

913
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 3: him with his quickness. And so I think the Knicks

914
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 3: have some ability to close that gap in the half

915
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 3: court offense, but the Sixers have to close that gap

916
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 3: in the margins or they're just going to get run

917
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 3: out of this series.

918
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: Trying to think of a historic comp to mb So.

919
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: People have said Shack is a player, but Shack has

920
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: such great postseason success almost universally in my life. The

921
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 1: word you used earlier on Jokic was perfect inevitable. A

922
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: dominant big in this league usually wins, and we're talking

923
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: about one of the five most talented bigs I've probably

924
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: ever seen. I mean, he does. He had a shot

925
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: and beat had a shot against the Knicks. I'm not

926
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 1: even there may have been an early whistle where he

927
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: turned his body sideways, he threw it off the glass,

928
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: and I was like, the hell was that? Who? It

929
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 1: doesn't even look like it was just a it's a

930
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: move that Dame would make. It was like, you're like,

931
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: seven to two, you can't do that. But in the

932
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 1: weaker Eastern Conference, it's just inexcusable. You've got to win

933
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: a second series. I mean, the first series is against

934
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: the dog, usually now the Knicks or no dog, but

935
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 1: there is it. I wonder what the ball movement is

936
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: when embiid is in, because I do feel there are

937
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: times when it slows down a little use by the way,

938
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: you saw this with Julius Randalls sometimes in the Knicks,

939
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: like he's out, the ball moves sometimes with Bigs that

940
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: by the way, no Joannis today with Milwaukee, the ball's moving,

941
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: they're you know, Dame's controlling it. The tempo is better.

942
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: I just if he loses to the Knicks, now, what

943
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: do we say. I know he's great, but it's like

944
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 1: if you're a great quarterback in the weaker conference, I

945
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: gotta have some playoff wins. You know, you got to

946
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: give me some of those. It'd be one thing if

947
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: you're facing Mahomes and Josh Allen and Lamar in their prime.

948
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: If you're facing the NFC guys, I need some do

949
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: Wu's Matt Stafford gets a super Bowl. He's better than

950
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: that division. I get that conference. I don't know where

951
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 1: I land on Embiid. Yeah, I know he's talented, but

952
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: he needs to win more in April and May. I'm

953
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 1: just he does. How do you land historically with Embiid?

954
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 3: Of course he does like he has to win. There's

955
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 3: no question. I've seen things on Twitter like when he

956
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 3: went down. There's this funny moment when he went down

957
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 3: in that second quarter where like everyone was like, the

958
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 3: guy is falling. It's like the NBA is responsible for

959
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 3: these guys getting hurt. I'm like, no, this is just

960
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 3: a flukey play. Like that's just everyone Everyone relax. Yeah,

961
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 3: everyone relaxed for a second. But like, one of the

962
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 3: things that happens is Embiid consistently gets to the postseason.

963
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 3: Usually his jump shot falls apart, he starts turning the

964
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 3: basketball over a ton in his offensive effectiveness craters, and

965
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 3: every single year, the Embiid fans will be like he

966
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 3: was hurt and they're not wrong. Like you go back,

967
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 3: you go back. Last year he was dealing with a

968
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 3: balky knee. What was it two years ago when he

969
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 3: had the broken face on the Toronto the Flukey play

970
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 3: at the end of the Toronto series. I think og

971
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,280
Speaker 3: and Andobi hit him with an elbow in the face

972
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 3: and he really struggled. And this year he has the

973
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 3: same excuse, right, Like he came back from a meniscus

974
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 3: injury and clearly it's bothering him. I mean he left

975
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 3: the game in the second quarter last night, so like,

976
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 3: obviously he's having issues, right, But the bottom line is,

977
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 3: at a certain point, if a guy gets to the

978
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 3: postseason every year and it's hurt every year, you have

979
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 3: to kind of bring that into the calculus. It's like

980
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 3: with Kawhi, I vividly remember you and I sitting down

981
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 3: going like, man, that was crazy.

982
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 4: Kawhi.

983
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 3: The last two playoff runs broke down in the middle

984
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 3: of the playoff run. What if that happens again, And

985
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 3: you know, Clippers fans will be like, well, you can't

986
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 3: really plan on that, but here we are again, right,

987
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 3: and Kawhi's not playing, So like, at a certain point, that's.

988
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 4: Like part of the calculus with Kawhi Cool.

989
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 3: You know, you can't put him in the top five

990
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 3: of playoff players if his body can't hold up for

991
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 3: a playoff run.

992
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 4: And that's the thing.

993
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 3: I one hundred percent agree that Embiid has this otherworldly potential.

994
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 3: And there's a version of his story where at some

995
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 3: point in the next couple of years he gets to

996
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 3: the postseason, healthy, runs rough shot over everybody and gets

997
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 3: crowned the best player in the world and gets a trophy.

998
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:06,919
Speaker 3: But what have we seen in the last few years

999
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 3: to show that he can actually survive for playoff rounds,

1000
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 3: let around, let alone, you know, kind of thrive in

1001
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 3: that environment. And so at the end of the day,

1002
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 3: like I feel bad for him because I think a

1003
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 3: lot of it is just kind of he's a giant

1004
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 3: human and there's a certain kind of risk factor that

1005
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,280
Speaker 3: comes along with that, and I don't want to blame

1006
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 3: him necessarily, But regardless of what the external circumstances are,

1007
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 3: the on court product hasn't been enough. Now, one thing

1008
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,240
Speaker 3: I'll say, I was really impressed in how he played

1009
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 3: last night while he was on the floor against a

1010
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 3: really tough, physical New York Knicks team. But again, like

1011
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 3: we talked about with like Igudala and Kawhi, if Mitchell

1012
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 3: Robinson presents a challenge for him, he has to find

1013
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 3: a way to solve that puzzle. Why because the other

1014
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,399
Speaker 3: great players found a way to solve that puzzle when

1015
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 3: they ran into it in the postseason.

1016
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: So, you know, it's interesting. Through the years, there's been

1017
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: a sense I got into this email discussion with Mark

1018
00:48:56,160 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: Cuban once that very few players really. I think we

1019
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: have this sense that in the NBA, lots of players

1020
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: move the ratings. Hell. The NBA put Jannis when he

1021
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 1: was the best player in the league four years ago

1022
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 1: on noon NBA TV playoff games, like the league was

1023
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 1: telling you, it's not moving the needle. A lot of

1024
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 1: centers don't move the needle. Shack did because some of

1025
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: that was just personality in the Lakers Brandon Kobe. But

1026
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 1: most centers don't move the needle. They don't play a dynamic, quick,

1027
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: twitchy game. It's fun. Derek Rose to me in Chicago, Oh, okay,

1028
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: the Bulls. You know there are certain players ant's great,

1029
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: but it's Minnesota. But I was watching the NIXT game

1030
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 1: and I thought to myself. We always talk about market

1031
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: size doesn't matter in the NBA because players can get

1032
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: rich everywhere. I don't deny that. But games in the

1033
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:48,320
Speaker 1: Garden are different. They are just different. They just look different.

1034
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: And I'm watching that game and I'm seeing the celebrities

1035
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I stayed on that game and I

1036
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: was like, it had juice. I'm sitting there and thinking,

1037
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,439
Speaker 1: this is great television. It's like watching the football game

1038
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: Michigan Big House, Jason. It feels bigger than an Arizona

1039
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: Wildcat game. It just feels bigger. And I'm watching the

1040
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: Knicks and I'm like, boy, the league could really use

1041
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: Celtics Knicks. And I don't think Jalen Brunson's I think

1042
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 1: they need another star. But you know, there's been this

1043
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:20,959
Speaker 1: sort of malaise and the regular season and people talking

1044
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: about ratings, and the NBA is fine, it's content, it's

1045
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 1: gonna do fine. It's more international, it's still great. The

1046
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: players have never been better. But I'm watching the Knicks

1047
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 1: and I'm like, they're incredibly likable because they play their

1048
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: ass off. They get everything out of every player. Brunson's

1049
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: a great story. It's New York it's the Guard and

1050
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: the fans are so starved they might as well have

1051
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: a ticker tape parade. After they won, the fans were

1052
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 1: going crazy out in the street, and I really did.

1053
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 1: I was watching it, Jason, and I thought, I've been

1054
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: in TV for twenty some years, and I'm like, this

1055
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 1: is great television. This is completely magnetic television. And I'm

1056
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: sorry if that game's in Charlotte, it doesn't feel like that.

1057
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: I mean, how did when I want that? I felt,

1058
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this feels like a conference finals. This

1059
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 1: is what New York and the Garden are doing to

1060
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: this sport. That's what I felt.

1061
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 4: It was the best game yesterday.

1062
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 3: Yes, and like the way that the roof blew off

1063
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 3: those that place after those late Josh Hart, oh my god,

1064
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,839
Speaker 3: which which felt like ten pointers when they went in.

1065
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,359
Speaker 3: But that's that's extended my entire life. I remember, even

1066
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 3: just as a kid, being an NBA fan, like it

1067
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 3: was when Kobe went to Madison Square Garden, it was

1068
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 3: you dropped everything and you watched. When Lebron went to

1069
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 3: Madison Square Garden, you dropped everything and you watched. And

1070
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 3: so to watch them play meaningful basketball, and I don't

1071
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 3: even think the Knicks fans are aware yet that this

1072
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 3: is just the beginning. Like I think this is the

1073
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 3: beginning of a long era of really good Knicks basketball.

1074
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 3: We've talked about it before. I think they're really well

1075
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,720
Speaker 3: positioned for a move this offseason. I I one hundred

1076
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 3: percent agree there was that that game. It was It

1077
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 3: was easily the most magnetic and entertaining game of the

1078
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 3: night yesterday. I actually have a follow up question, con

1079
00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 3: I saw a report yesterday that the the talks have

1080
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 3: stalled out, the TV talks for the NBA with Turner

1081
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 3: and with Disney. What did you make of that?

1082
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 1: Well, you know, again, first of all, my you know

1083
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: some of this is anecdotal. So my kids love going

1084
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: to NBA games. I love going to NBA games. I've

1085
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: been to four this year, and so I go to

1086
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:25,240
Speaker 1: more NBA games than any games. I think the product

1087
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: when you're in the arena is fantastic and fun. I

1088
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,240
Speaker 1: hate load management, and I do think that's hurt the league.

1089
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,439
Speaker 1: I think Adam Silver, I don't think David Stern would

1090
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 1: tolerate it. I think the fines would be levied and

1091
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 1: much and I think they were years ago, the late

1092
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 1: David Stern, So I do think there are some social issues.

1093
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 1: I think the load management's turned a lot of people off.

1094
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:47,359
Speaker 1: The game is getting like baseball and hockey. It's very

1095
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: international now, so it's just harder to follow a guy

1096
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,359
Speaker 1: if you don't. You know, he's in Lithuania instead of Duke.

1097
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,359
Speaker 1: The reason I know Zion he played at Duke. He

1098
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 1: blew up a shoe at Duke, and so, you know,

1099
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 1: there's part of it is we're this is society is

1100
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 1: we're all distracted now. I mean our phone, my usage rate.

1101
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 1: I was on the phone during the NBA. I'm on

1102
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: my phone constantly right Like, my usage rate goes up

1103
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 1: at four hundred percent during the NBA playoffs. So we're distracted.

1104
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 1: So we don't follow the path and the journey of players.

1105
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 1: You do, you're an expert at it, but most people don't.

1106
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: So we like this. I watch a guy at Ohio

1107
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: State for three years, you're in Michigan. He's Microwavable. He

1108
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 1: goes to my Texans. I know who he is. I

1109
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 1: has in Jersey. I have an avisceral connection with him.

1110
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 1: In the NBA, increasingly the guys don't play college and

1111
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 1: so it's like Ugh and they go to bad teams

1112
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: at the top of the drafts. You don't see him

1113
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: for three years until they get into the playoffs. Wemby

1114
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: because he's uniquely historically transcendent. We talked about him. So

1115
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 1: I think executives look at this and they say to themselves,

1116
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 1: the players are telling us the regular season doesn't matter.

1117
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 1: The league by not handing out punitive action, is telling

1118
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 1: us the regular season doesn't matter. Am I paying nine

1119
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: billion for playoff games? Like, I'm not interested? And I

1120
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 1: think Fox don't for Fox or the Murdocks. But I

1121
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 1: do think people at our company have looked at baseball

1122
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 1: and they're like, we love the playoffs, but the one

1123
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty two Braves Brewers or whatever, like, it's

1124
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,720
Speaker 1: hard to get people interested. So in a distracted society

1125
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: where we're on our phones right long, regular season sports

1126
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 1: are dying. And so NFL's not urgency, World Cup's not

1127
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: every four years, Olympics aren't March madness, men and women aren't.

1128
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: College football isn't UFC, isn't baseball hockey, NBA regular seasons

1129
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:36,720
Speaker 1: on television are just not dynamic. And these leagues, the NBA,

1130
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: the I mean I mean, we'll have some great series here.

1131
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:42,399
Speaker 1: These first round series are going to be really good.

1132
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: NICK sixers is going to feel like a big series

1133
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:47,839
Speaker 1: because Philly and New York are just they jump off

1134
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:56,320
Speaker 1: the television. My takeaway is league send messages to networks,

1135
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 1: and the messages the regular season doesn't matter much, and

1136
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 1: I run Fox or ESPN or TNT. Okay, then let's

1137
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: have two packages. You know, I'll pay for the playoffs.

1138
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: I don't want the regular season, and so I think

1139
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 1: that's where that's where you know the NFL and I

1140
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 1: think March madness. It's like, well, I have to watch

1141
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 1: these games. These are all sudden death, you know, So

1142
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 1: what do I make of it? I make of it.

1143
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 1: The product's good, but the league is sending a message

1144
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 1: to the networks and it's come back to bite them

1145
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: in the ass, which is no load management. I've always

1146
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 1: felt the league should have about sixty games. The first

1147
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:32,839
Speaker 1: round should be three games, the rest of the way

1148
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: should be five until the finals is seven. There's no urgency.

1149
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 1: I mean, there's just literally no urgency in these games.

1150
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 1: It's like, I watch it because I love the NBA.

1151
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 1: The NBA will get its money, but you have to

1152
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 1: be honest about this. The stuff that's working is all

1153
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 1: creating urgency. I mean, the quality of men's basketball in

1154
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 1: the NCAA now is awful, Jason. It's the actual quality play. Yeah,

1155
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 1: but the numbers were fantastic. So now women's basketball is

1156
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 1: much better today than twenty years ago. So the quality

1157
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 1: there is excellent. In Caitlin Clark story. But I think baseball,

1158
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 1: I mean, hey, have you heard about I mean, like

1159
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 1: Apple doesn't want part of the NBC and Apple are

1160
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 1: both unhappy with their baseball packages. Wow, Sunday Night Baseball.

1161
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: They want one hundred and forty million. Nobody wants to

1162
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:27,359
Speaker 1: pay that. Fox would take it for forty million. We're

1163
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 1: not paying one hundred and forty million. So I think

1164
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 1: I think baseball, hockey, and basketball. I think you have

1165
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: to look in the mirror as owners. You've never been richer.

1166
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 1: It's the best place in the world to own any

1167
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: investment in the world is English Premier League teams or

1168
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 1: American sports teams. That's where the richest people have their money.

1169
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:47,320
Speaker 1: EPL teams only go up and American sports teams mostly

1170
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 1: go up. I think you have to scale back the

1171
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 1: number of games you have to demand starters play. I

1172
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: think you have to have more urgent. I think what

1173
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:56,800
Speaker 1: you have in the NBAG you have a two and

1174
00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: a half month playoff, it should be a month and

1175
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 1: shorten the season. Now you say, the players will say, well,

1176
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: we won't make as much money. If everybody got ten

1177
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 1: percent less, you'd be fine. If Lebron could play fifteen

1178
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 1: less games a year, he'd be fine with less. Most

1179
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 1: players would be. But I think it's a reality of

1180
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 1: what's happening, the distraction, the fragmentation. You cannot ask people

1181
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: to sit through these long hockey Baseball NBA regular seasons,

1182
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: especially when the players don't seem that driven by it.

1183
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 1: That's my take, and I love the league.

1184
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you and I had a debate. It

1185
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 3: was a couple months ago, but we were talking about

1186
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 3: the difference between the NFL and how the NFL has

1187
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 3: been encroaching on their territory and what they're doing like

1188
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 3: three Wednesday Christmas games this year, right, So, like in

1189
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 3: one of the counterpoints I made to you is like,

1190
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 3: I don't really see the league as the NBA is

1191
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 3: even on the same footing as the NFL, because I

1192
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 3: view the NFL as an urgency sport, and I view

1193
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 3: the NBA as an inventory sport.

1194
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, the NBA has actually.

1195
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 3: Leaned more and more into inventory. It's like, here is

1196
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 3: an in season tournament, here is a play in turn.

1197
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 3: They just expanded the first round of the playoffs from

1198
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 3: five to seven games, what like twenty years ago or

1199
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 3: whatever it was that they did, so like they've done

1200
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 3: nothing but ad inventory. And while while total revenue has

1201
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 3: gone up, I think the focused kind of desire surrounding

1202
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 3: the NBA regular season is less. And to your point, like,

1203
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 3: I've always been a big believer in shortening the regular

1204
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 3: season because I think if you could get it down

1205
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 3: to three games a week in just a guaranteed two

1206
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 3: days off every single week in a row somewhere in

1207
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 3: there for the older guys, I think you just have

1208
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 3: better player participation in general, not to mention the increased

1209
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 3: urgencies surrounding the games. And what bothers me about it

1210
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 3: is why can't you view the in season tournament and

1211
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 3: the play in tournament as the revenue drivers to make

1212
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 3: up for lost revenue in a shortened season. And if

1213
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 3: you did shorten the season, I don't I think you'd

1214
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 3: see an initial drop in revenue.

1215
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 4: But I think in the big.

1216
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 3: Picture, as there's more star participation in roughly twenty percent

1217
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 3: additional urgency by dropping twenty percent of the game games,

1218
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 3: I think you will see in the big picture and

1219
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 3: increased value in the regular season package. But nie hundred

1220
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 3: percent agree with you in the sense that, like, how

1221
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 3: could you expect of all the things that the NBA

1222
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 3: provides between between gambling, between highlights, between the playoffs, between

1223
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 3: the end season, tournament, playing tournament. Summer League is a

1224
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 3: huge deal every year ago out there. I'm amazed by

1225
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 3: the event that Summer League is. Wait till you see

1226
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 3: what this Team USA thing is is going to be

1227
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 3: like in Vegas. Like, all of that is doing great,

1228
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 3: but the regular season itself is dipping further and further

1229
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 3: down the food chain, and that they do need to

1230
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 3: put more attention in that direction.

1231
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 4: Nine hundred percent agreecause.

1232
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 1: Also the international participation now is up, They're more skilled,

1233
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 1: they're dominating the MVP. I got no problem with it.

1234
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: I've never seen players as good as Wemby and Jokic,

1235
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 1: but it is harder to follow, and in a distracted world,

1236
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 1: it's really hard to follow. And I'm a sportscaster. But

1237
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 1: I mean it's like they do jokes on TNT that

1238
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: Shack and Barkley don't know certain players. Like That's that

1239
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 1: gives you a sense of Yeah, they're sending messages constantly

1240
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: that half these games don't matter. Well, that's not great messaging.

1241
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 4: Big Colin.

1242
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 3: I'm a complete basketball nut job. I coach it on

1243
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 3: a volunteer level here in town. I play literally six

1244
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 3: days a week. I get bored in the NBA regular season.

1245
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 3: I do what every other person in the media does,

1246
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 3: and like have to find reasons to be enthusiastic about

1247
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 3: we'll recover. Well, you're in January. It's a slog, man,

1248
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:29,919
Speaker 3: It's literally a slog. Yeah, and again, I'm a nut

1249
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 3: job when it comes to this stuff.

1250
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 1: I've argued for years that I would start the NBA

1251
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 1: on the Wednesday after Thanksgiving, so I would start it

1252
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 1: a month later because I think you can't compete with football.

1253
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 1: But after Thanksgiving, people get this heaping helping of football,

1254
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 1: and you talk about it on Monday on the sport

1255
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 1: shows and Tuesday and then Wednesday because it's college football.

1256
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 1: After Thanksgiving, slims down the schedule, slims down. You go

1257
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 1: to conference championships. There's that Wednesday. I've noticed it for

1258
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 1: years of my business. That Wednesday are like, God, wouldn't

1259
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 1: it be granted, tonight was NBA opening night, So you

1260
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 1: would push it back a month late August to the

1261
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 1: Wednesday after Thanksgiving. You'd cut it down to about sixty

1262
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 1: six sixty eight games. It would end July first, so

1263
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 1: you'd push it back a little longer. There's nothing going

1264
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 1: on in June and July early, and it would just

1265
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 1: be a real estate move. Like the NFL moved free

1266
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 1: agency to March. It was because they want they wanted

1267
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 1: to take away some March madness. They saw opportunities. It

1268
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 1: would be a you're just buying different beach property. You'd

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Speaker 1: move it back to after it that you have no

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Speaker 1: shot to compete until after Thanksgiving. It's just it's just

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Speaker 1: too much football. But then college football dims a little bit,

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Speaker 1: and the NBA and then cut the games down. But

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Speaker 1: you have the summer's wide open. I mean June and

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Speaker 1: early July are wide open, and then June July first

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Speaker 1: you crown your champion. You have the draft four days later.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for Flying United and FL camp. NFL camps open

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Speaker 1: NFL camp's open three days later, and it's perfect. The

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Speaker 1: NFL has been great at this. They just keep buying

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Speaker 1: different real estate. Moving out of this the end. The

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Speaker 1: NFL gives you June in the first week of July.

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Speaker 4: Take it.

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Speaker 1: They give it to you. You're not going to beat

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Speaker 1: him head to head. There we go, all right, good stuff,

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Speaker 1: Jason timp hoops tonight. Sorry Milwaukee, Indiana fans, Sorry Pelican fans.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about you in a later date.

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Speaker 4: I'll cover I'll cover them tomorrow. We'll get to We'll

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Speaker 4: get to them tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: All right, Buddy, good seeing you. Thanks the volume, Thanks

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Speaker 1: so much for listening. If you've enjoyed the podcast, take

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Speaker 1: a moment rate and review