1 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I come to stuff 2 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 1: I've never told you, protection of iHeartRadio and this month, 3 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 1: which I actually think this is coming out, not in 4 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,639 Speaker 1: the month that we are recording. I think this is 5 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: coming out in twenty twenty four, but right now we're 6 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:32,639 Speaker 1: doing one of our big final recording sessions of the year. 7 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: It is still December twenty twenty three, and Samantha and 8 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: I did a bit of a switch for the holidays, 9 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: So Samantha did the fictional women around the World this month, 10 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: and it was really fun for me to be on 11 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: the other side. Won't tell me more. 12 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 2: I don't having so much fun with it and being 13 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 2: a two parter because I was like, let me tell 14 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 2: you about the entirety. 15 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: It was great. I loved it, and a lot of 16 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: you have already written it have been like that was 17 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 1: very funny here they were talking about because I don't 18 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: think that's come out as we recorded it, but they 19 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: were talking about the Frozen episode, where I was like, 20 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: what are you talking about? Where we did talk about Yes, 21 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: Once upon a Time, which I don't feel bad spoiling 22 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: because this does come out after that, even though it 23 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: hasn't come out yet. That's the fun of publishing in 24 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:25,119 Speaker 1: the world of Sminty. Yes, but I am taking one 25 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:29,320 Speaker 1: of the feminists around the world segments in this exchange. Yeah, 26 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: so welcome, And I am cheating because I'm doing an 27 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: American woman, which we typically try to avoid. Look, look, 28 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: you did a two parter. Cheat. Yes, we do try 29 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: to avoid that usually. But I have been meaning to 30 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: talk about this and this person ever since his marvel 31 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: came out. The marvels came out excuse me, which we 32 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: saw together and enjoyed, me and Samantha. Yes, yes, so 33 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: today we are talking about American filmmaker Nia DaCosta, who 34 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: was born in Brooklyn in nineteen eighty nine. Oh. Also, 35 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: timestamp on this December nineteenth, twenty twenty three is when 36 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: recording it. I only say that because there's a lot 37 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: of things have changing very quickly in the story that 38 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: I will talk about a little bit at the end. 39 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: But anyway, Yes, I was born in Brooklyn in nineteen 40 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: eighty nine. Her mom had moved to the US from 41 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,679 Speaker 1: Jamaica and was one of the founding vocalists of Oral 42 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: a Girl. As a kid, Tacosta wanted to become a poet, 43 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: but as she got older in her teenage years, she 44 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: really fell in love with film, and so to that end, 45 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: she enrolled at New York University Tish School of the Arts, 46 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,239 Speaker 1: and she had a lot of hard experiences there. Once 47 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: she graduated, she started working as a production assistant for television, 48 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: working with directors like Steven Spielberg and Martin Scorsese. She 49 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 1: went on to write the script for Little Woods, which 50 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: I'm sure some of you have seen heard of. It 51 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: was one of twelve projects selected for twenty fifteen's sun 52 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: Dance Screenwriters and Director's Labs. DaCosta met and befriended Tessa Thompson, 53 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: who was later cast in Littlewoods, and through Kickstarter, DaCosta 54 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: was able to fund and film Little Woods, and that 55 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: made it her first feature film. When it premiered at 56 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: Tribeca in twenty eighteen, it was awarded the Nora Efron 57 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: Award for quote Excellence in Storytelling by a Female Writer 58 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: or Director. The movie debuted in theaters in twenty nineteen, 59 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 1: and then interviews from around that time, DaCosta spoke about 60 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: the importance to her around telling stories about women who 61 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: were active and not passive. Okay, So, after finishing Little Woods, 62 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: she directed two episodes of Top Boy, and in twenty eighteen, 63 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: she co wrote and directed Candy Man The New One. Obviously. 64 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: When it came out in twenty twenty one and earned 65 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: the top box office spot, she became the first black 66 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: woman director to have a film debut at that spot. 67 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: She was hired to direct The Marvels in twenty twenty, 68 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: only the fourth woman to direct a Marvel movie and 69 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: the youngest director and the first Black woman to direct 70 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: a Marvel movie. When The Marvels came out, it made 71 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: forty six point one million dollars, which was the best 72 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 1: opening box office ever for a black woman director. Here 73 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 1: is a quote from Variety. DaCosta also wanted to satisfy 74 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: the blurred black nerd in her who'd grown up absorbed 75 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: in comic book culture. The Brooklyn born filmmaker was especially 76 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: keen to tell Kamala's story because she was a huge 77 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 1: fan of the Miss Marvel comics, which debuted when she 78 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: was in her teens. Usually, I'm not like, I like 79 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: this person because I see myself a Tri State area 80 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: nerd who loves superhero and comic stuff and writes fan fiction, 81 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: DaCosta says. But she's a great street level hero in 82 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: Air to Spider Man, and here's a continuing quote. Monica 83 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: is wrestling with the grief of losing her mother Maria 84 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: and feeling like Carol them why Kamala must learn that 85 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 1: her idol is just another person. Carol's journey is about 86 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 1: learning that the fate of the world doesn't rest wholly 87 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 1: on her shoulders. Because Carol has been on her own 88 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: for so long, it was important to show what it 89 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 1: is actually like for this woman to live a life 90 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,679 Speaker 1: where she thinks she's the only thing holding everything together, 91 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: which is a story that a lot of women can 92 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: relate to. And yes, through her work, she has received 93 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: Mini Awards nominations, and she has been She's on so 94 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: many upcoming projects. She's very, very busy, which is a 95 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: part of what I want to talk about next. But 96 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: I really don't want to focus on this because I 97 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: want to celebrate this and not bring it down. But 98 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: we should. One of the reasons it was on my 99 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: mind was because when this movie came out, there was 100 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 1: the unfortunately expected sexist, racist response, like the cast is 101 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 1: mostly women, it's a diverse cast, there's this black woman director. 102 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: And then even though it made a lot of money, 103 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 1: and there's been a lot of conversation about how we 104 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 1: frame like movies made by men who don't make a 105 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: lot of money versus movies made by women who don't 106 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 1: make as much money as you're expecting. But it's kind 107 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: of the same that there has been a lot of 108 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:17,479 Speaker 1: conversation around it, and around Disney's response around it. If 109 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: they give money to the difficulty of working in such 110 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: a big machine came up a lot, and apparently it's 111 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: kind of understood that you don't get final editing. Say 112 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 1: so Dicosa did speak about this, and this is from 113 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: that Variety article. There are pockets where you go because 114 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 1: you're like, I'm a super fan. I want to exist 115 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: in the space of just adoration, which includes civilized critique. 116 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: She explains, Then there are pockets that are really virluent 117 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: and violent and racist and sexist and homophobic and all 118 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: those awful things. And I choose the side of the light. 119 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: That's the part of fandom I'm most obtracted to. So 120 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: she said this, which to me totally makes sense, but 121 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: then a lot of people purposely misinterpreted it or like choose, Oh, 122 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: Marvel fans are horrible. Look what she's done. She literally 123 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: is like, no, that's good, right. 124 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 2: I don't understand how they misinterpreted that. 125 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, well they did. 126 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 2: They just took out the word pockets and then saw it. 127 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: They left it in there perfectly, but they okay, yes, 128 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: I mean, proving the point pretty much. Also, friend of 129 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: the Joe Bridgett did a whole episode on this if 130 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: you want to know more about it. And I do 131 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: think there's a lot of things going on right now. 132 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: There's there's Marvel fatigue. I think there's franchise fatigue in general. 133 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: It's kind of uncertain territory Disney is panicking and yeah, 134 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: I mean it's it's weird because it's always like we 135 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: had fun watching it. I thought it was a good time. 136 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: I thought it was different, it was unique. Yeah, and 137 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean it's perfect. Like I don't know, we 138 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: have to be on this ground where it's like it 139 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: has flaws. Therefore, see, I think it was better than 140 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: some of the more recent Marvels. So it's just I 141 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: feel like we're having this conversation in a way that 142 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: is not consistent. I also think, like I know DaCosta 143 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: has spoken about this. Here's a quote from her growth 144 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: has to stop at some point. As you make more 145 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: and more films, you want those films to be more interesting, 146 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:33,199 Speaker 1: more dynamic, and to appeal to different audiences. But that 147 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: requires risk, and there's a conundrum where you're so big 148 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: that you can't take risk. I think that's what the 149 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: audience is feeling. They're like, I've seen it before, and 150 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: I liked it the first time. And here's a quote 151 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: from ap But it's also a big budget attempt to 152 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: try some new things. It's the first Marvel movie to 153 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: feature not just all female leads, but a female villain 154 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: as well. DaCosta thirty three, is the youngest filmmaker to 155 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: Helm and MCU release. More importantly, she's the first black 156 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: woman to direct Marvel movie thirty three. I know, I 157 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 1: don't think about it too hard. Some happen, Okay, I mean, no, 158 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: you're amazing, get it. 159 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 2: I'm proud of you. 160 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 1: Can you do you? But damn quick? Congratulations? Yes? And 161 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: another thing, And I was thinking about this when we 162 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: were doing our wrap up episodes at the end of 163 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. This came out like literally the day 164 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: the strikes ended, so they couldn't advertise it, and so 165 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 1: I think that's also been a problem, both in like 166 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: what Disney does, but also yes, they couldn't advertise during 167 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,559 Speaker 1: the strikes, and I feel like a lot of movies now, 168 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: and I'm a Marvel fan, I just don't know what's 169 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: coming out anymore necessarily or when it's coming out, which 170 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: used to be I would know. But a lot of 171 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: articles have also said things like in Kanto came out, 172 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 1: wasn't number one, did pretty well, but was like, you know, 173 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 1: not what it became through streaming. Like I think there's 174 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: also just a shift in how we watch things right 175 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: going on, honestly, but there has been a lot of 176 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: drama about this, and I'm just gonna skim over it 177 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:08,959 Speaker 1: because I've but basically people are sort of like, what's 178 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: going on with Disney. We're pretty much trying to blame 179 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: her and throw her under the bus, and like maybe 180 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:18,319 Speaker 1: saying some quotes you shouldn't be saying about like she 181 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 1: went and did filmed another thing from a different country 182 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: when we were in post, but that's like normal people do. 183 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 1: That she had told them she was going to do 184 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 1: it and they agreed. Recently at like Disney's big what 185 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: are we going to Do? Meeting at the end of 186 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: the year, bob By Group was like there wasn't enough 187 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 1: supervision on set. But here's a quote from Gizmoto as 188 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: that aforementioned Variety report lobbied and has been a frequent 189 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: criticism of the Marvel machine even at the height of 190 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: its influence in Hollywood. Marvel Studios is known for heavy 191 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: executive involvement in its films, even when working with directors 192 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: seemingly hired for their own unique visions and approaches, and 193 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,199 Speaker 1: to fix it in post attitude that the studio is 194 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: at least apparently trying to turn away from. But still 195 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: it's also a wild thing to say when the Marvels 196 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: itself still ultimately feels like a product of the studio's 197 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: preponderance for metaling and poking. No matter what you ultimately 198 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: think about the Marvels itself, positively or negatively, Disney's increasingly 199 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: public critiques of DeCosta are just starting to feel weird 200 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: and weirder the higher up the food chain that they 201 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 1: start coming from. The studio is so concerned as to 202 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: why this specific film among a series of underperformers in 203 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three didn't work, There has to be a 204 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: better way of approaching that concern than throwing its director 205 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: under the bus YEP. Yeah, so there's a lot going 206 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:36,199 Speaker 1: on with it. That's why I want to put the 207 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: date at the top. But yes, it is part of 208 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: a larger, separate issue conversation. I'm sure we'll have. I 209 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 1: have a lot of thoughts about it, but yeah, DaCosta 210 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 1: is by no means done. She's currently filming something with 211 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: Tessa Thompson right now, Like I think she's gonna be get. 212 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:58,319 Speaker 2: That's so absurd. Like I actually really enjoyed it. There 213 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 2: are things that I'm like, Okay, don't love that part. 214 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 2: Singing a whole singing planet spoiler alert was was interesting esus. 215 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 2: So when I saw it was like a Korean drama. Dude, 216 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 2: it was like, wait, but like that, but it was funny. 217 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 2: But the entire thing was like as many like heavy 218 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 2: handed things that Marvel tries to do. It was fun 219 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 2: It was both of those things, and it was good 220 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 2: to see that nuanced level with the three very different 221 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 2: people bringing in some amazing characters and like character qualities. 222 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 2: And I love Kamala. I think she's a wonderful edition. 223 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:37,959 Speaker 2: And I really hope the next generation of Marvel's Avengers, 224 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 2: whatever they're gonna be called. I know you and Joey 225 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 2: had killed me and I already forgot, so I can't 226 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 2: wait wherever relearn. But like, I think that's like those 227 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 2: two are really great characters, if I say, most of y'all, 228 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 2: y'all don't know if you haven't seen this, so we 229 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 2: might need to do a spoiler Saturday for this one. 230 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love Miss Marvel was one of my favorite 231 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: comics well when I went my second wave of comics 232 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: when I was in like right after college, Miss Marvel 233 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: was one of my favorites. 234 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 2: I think they've built a great backstory for her. She 235 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:14,839 Speaker 2: might be one of my favorites. Like, and I don't 236 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 2: love Marvel like that, Like I watched all of them. 237 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 2: I watch all of them, all of them, I watched 238 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 2: most of them, but like, I think Miss Marvel was 239 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 2: one of the most the better, like well rounded developed characters. 240 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 2: Thus far, of course they're going to go back and 241 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 2: ruin things, I'm sure, but thus far, I like it. 242 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, yeah, no, she's great, And I'm the actress 243 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,319 Speaker 1: is great because she is a Marvel fan and that's 244 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: kind of how she got the role, and so she 245 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 1: has one and they're interesting to read. But yes, yes 246 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: we will come back and talk about it more. But 247 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:51,679 Speaker 1: thank you for letting me do this, swapperoo, even though 248 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: I cheated. 249 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 2: And we still came back to marvel I love it. 250 00:13:56,800 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 1: I know you know I'm going to don't act surprise. 251 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 2: But I enjoyed every bit of it. 252 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 1: Good job. Yes, thank you and listeners hopefully that you 253 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: have enjoyed You have enjoyed our little or switcher as well. 254 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 2: You. 255 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: If you have any topic ideas people we should talk about, 256 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: fictional or otherwise, you can let us know. 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