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Speaker 1: Obviously, the country's a mess, you know, When you look

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Speaker 1: you wrote not bed recently about how Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter,

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Speaker 1: YouTube and snapchat pose a far greater risk than TikTok.

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Speaker 1: Explain yourself, young lady.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And it's just a controversial piece. Within my

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Speaker 2: own staff at the Federalists, there were some people saying,

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Speaker 2: I don't I don't even know if we should run

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Speaker 2: this article because they didn't want to undermine the risks

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Speaker 2: of TikTok. And I'm not going to say that TikTok

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Speaker 2: is not a risk. I've written about Chinese influence campaigns

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Speaker 2: being waged on TikTok against young people. I understand. What

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Speaker 2: I'm saying is I think our social media companies are worse.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you have we know from the Twitter files,

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Speaker 2: that Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, all of these companies are

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Speaker 2: in collusion with the deep state to interfere in our elections.

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Speaker 2: They suppress the Hunter Biden laptop story. They silenced doctors

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Speaker 2: during COVID, they promoted the Russian collusion hooks. They're shadow

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Speaker 2: banding conservatives. These are in these the collusion between big

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Speaker 2: tech and the deep state, American big tech and the

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Speaker 2: deep state is an immediate threat to conservatives specifically, but

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Speaker 2: in general Americans freedom and our and our ability to

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Speaker 2: effectively have a free speech public square. Right on TikTok,

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Speaker 2: there's actually comparatively more freedom than there is on American

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Speaker 2: social media companies. For example, there's Alila Rose video where

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Speaker 2: she says it's never medically necessary to have an abortion.

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Speaker 2: That video was slapped with the fact check on Instagram,

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Speaker 2: but was untouched on TikTok. The exact same video untouched

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Speaker 2: on TikTok. And there could be reasons for TikTok to

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Speaker 2: want to do that, right. They could say, you know,

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Speaker 2: we want we want to sew discord on America and

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Speaker 2: among Americans, and so we're going to allow anybody to

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Speaker 2: say what they want politically on our app. Okay, we

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Speaker 2: can acknowledge the bad intentions of TikTok while also saying

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Speaker 2: it's a good thing that TikTok is actually allowing conservatives

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Speaker 2: to say what they think. And I think for conservatives

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Speaker 2: to try to get rid of apps that are actually

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Speaker 2: platforming our ideas is in disservice to ourselves, right. I

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Speaker 2: think our own companies are much more hostile to us.

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Speaker 2: And I also think it's on American to be banning

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Speaker 2: apps China bands apps. I don't think we need a

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Speaker 2: big I don't think we need to be banning apps.

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Speaker 2: I really think that that's communist behavior.

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Speaker 1: You could argue about the fact that you know, byte

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Speaker 1: Edance is obviously based out of Beijing, so it's slightly

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Speaker 1: different just in the sense of obviously they can access

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Speaker 1: all of our data in a way that you know

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Speaker 1: they can't with some of these other social media companies,

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Speaker 1: but you know, fair point in terms of them not

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Speaker 1: censoring conservatives as much. Let's take a quick commercial break.

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Speaker 1: More as a Vita Duffy on the other side, you

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Speaker 1: had mentioned the issue of abortion. Why do you think

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Speaker 1: so many young people are driven by that issue?

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Speaker 2: I think that it's not just young people people. I

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Speaker 2: think our whole country is driven by that issue. I

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Speaker 2: really believe. I think it's been the number one issue

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Speaker 2: and divider in America for decades now, and I think

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Speaker 2: it's it's been a way for Democrats to really animate

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Speaker 2: people and for Republicans to really animate people. For gen zers,

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Speaker 2: I know that there it might seem like they have

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of loud voices, right, they're super you know,

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Speaker 2: pro choice, and I think probably the majority of there

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Speaker 2: is the majority of them are pro choice, but there

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Speaker 2: is a growing number of pro lifers and even left

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Speaker 2: wing pro lifers, because the science stands in the way

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Speaker 2: of radical pro abortion ideology. You can see ultrasounds, you

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Speaker 2: know there's a heartbeat, you know they have pain receptors,

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Speaker 2: like there are so many things that we're faced with,

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Speaker 2: especially if you're faced with right an ultrasound where you

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Speaker 2: actually see your child before you have to have an abortion. Right,

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Speaker 2: these are things that have really been changing the whole debate.

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Speaker 2: When when there were pro choicers during the time of

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Speaker 2: Roe v. Wade, they didn't they didn't really know you

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Speaker 2: couldn't really see your baby's fingers and toes on a screen.

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Speaker 2: Now you can I can get these really amazing three

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Speaker 2: D pictures that are are just incredible. And so I

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Speaker 2: think there's a lot of disillusion from conservatives among like

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Speaker 2: the young people are super pro choice. I wouldn't be

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Speaker 2: as I'm not as freaked out as they are. I

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Speaker 2: think that there's actually a lot of hope just because

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Speaker 2: of how amazing science has evolved.

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Speaker 1: Well, I certainly hope. So because you know, abortion is murder,

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Speaker 1: I believe you. You know, you share that idea as well,

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Speaker 1: that mentality. You know, So Justin Bieber and Haley Bieber,

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Speaker 1: Selena Gomez, we've got to talk about this. You know,

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Speaker 1: you wrote a column that Justin Bieber is to blame

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Speaker 1: obviously for those who don't pay attention to the pop

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Speaker 1: culture stuff I do, because you know what, sometimes the

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Speaker 1: news is so depressing you just need escapism, a break

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Speaker 1: from everything that's going on. But it's basically, you know,

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Speaker 1: Selena Gomez used to date Justin Bieber. Hailey Bieber is

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Speaker 1: now married to Justin and there's this ongoing, you know,

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Speaker 1: sort of online stuff that they're at odds. Haley and Selena,

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Speaker 1: you know, talk about why Justin is actually to blame

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Speaker 1: in the drama, not Selena or Haley.

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Speaker 2: The Selena Hailey drama has been going on for a

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Speaker 2: really long time. They dated Justin Bieber on it off

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Speaker 2: and so then Haley actually ended up with Justin and

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Speaker 2: now they're married. But the Selena fans are still really

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Speaker 2: upset and think that Haley stole Justin from Selena. Really

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Speaker 2: kind of bizarre fad behavior, to be honest, kind of

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Speaker 2: creepy fan behavior.

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Speaker 1: And like booling too, Like they're like constantly trying to

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Speaker 1: bully Haley. All right, so go ahead, No, you're totally right.

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Speaker 2: So they're constantly trying to bully Haley. There's a video

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Speaker 2: where they say that Haley was making fun of Selena.

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Speaker 2: There's another one where people say Selena was making fun

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Speaker 2: of Haley. The point is people extrapolated from one of

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Speaker 2: these videos and just when after Hailey for months and months,

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Speaker 2: literally it was like two and a half months where

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Speaker 2: it was like just constant hatred, attacking, comparing her to Putin,

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Speaker 2: like saying she looks like Putin, saying she looks like

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Speaker 2: an ear, saying she looks horrible, and that she's a

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Speaker 2: boyfriend stealer and all of this craziness. And at the

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Speaker 2: heart of this issue is really not whether Haley was

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Speaker 2: mean to Selena or Selena was mean to Haley. What

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Speaker 2: it is is who deserves Justin. That's what the fans

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Speaker 2: are really arguing over, is that. And that's what they

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Speaker 2: were saying, is that Justin does not actually support Haley

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Speaker 2: because he had been silent through all this. They're saying

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Speaker 2: Justin is still in love with Selena. And what Justin

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Speaker 2: should have done when things escalated to this level is

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Speaker 2: he should have stood up for his wife. He should

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Speaker 2: have said, you know what, Hailey Bieber is my wife,

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Speaker 2: I'm in love with her. I'm not in love with

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Speaker 2: my ex girlfriend. Everybody back off. But he didn't do that.

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Speaker 2: He stayed completely silent while his wife was being torn

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Speaker 2: to shreds by these horrendous Selena fans. Meanwhile, Selena is

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Speaker 2: actually encouraging her fans to attack Hailey. Now she said stop,

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Speaker 2: but at a time, at one point she was doing that.

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Speaker 2: And I just think the real villain, like I said

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Speaker 2: in my article, is it's not Haley or Selena or

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Speaker 2: all of this drama. It's really Justin because he should

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Speaker 2: have stood up for his wife and put an end

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Speaker 2: to all of this a long time ago.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man up, Justin Bieber, if you're listening, be a manta.

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Speaker 1: Is there anything else you'd like to exactly Vida, Is

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Speaker 1: there anything else you'd like to leave us with before

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Speaker 1: we go?

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Speaker 2: I think gen Z gets a bad rap. I think

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Speaker 2: we're talking. We talked a lot about gen Z issues

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Speaker 2: and voting rights and things like that, and there's a

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Speaker 2: lot of really good things about my generation. They are

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Speaker 2: super entrepreneurial. I don't know if you know that, but

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Speaker 2: there's so many studies that show, like over I think

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Speaker 2: it's like sixty or seventy percent want to start a

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Speaker 2: small business. They don't want to work for someone which

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Speaker 2: you know, can play what itcause. I think that's a

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Speaker 2: really good thing to have people that are really are

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Speaker 2: motivated to create and to be innovative. I think that's

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Speaker 2: a wonderful thing. I also think, like I said, I

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Speaker 2: think science is on our side when it comes to abortion.

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of young people are pro life,

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Speaker 2: and I think even more will be pro life as

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Speaker 2: they get older. And I also think that part of

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Speaker 2: the failures that we're seeing with this generation, it can

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Speaker 2: be easy to blame them for everything and say, oh,

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Speaker 2: they're so dumb and they have these low attention spans

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Speaker 2: and you know they're all indoctrinated. Well, the reason they're

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Speaker 2: indoctrinated is because we have indoctrination machines in our school system.

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Speaker 2: And that's not the fault of kids, that's the fault

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Speaker 2: of adults who have allowed universities to turn out horrible

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Speaker 2: teachers from these teachers' colleges right, and degradate our education system.

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Speaker 2: So it's not based in God, but it's instead completely irreligious.

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Speaker 2: And there are so many things that are the cause

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Speaker 2: of gen Z and the issues that they're having and

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Speaker 2: the depression that they're facing. COVID being one, right, putting

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Speaker 2: somebody in lockdown for two years so they can't socialize,

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Speaker 2: that takes a toll. So I'd ask a lot of

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Speaker 2: people to also look inward and to think about how

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Speaker 2: can we really message them and how can we fix

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Speaker 2: the problems that they're facing. Because they didn't just they

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Speaker 2: didn't just pop out of the womb a bunch of

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Speaker 2: crazy communist leftists, right, It happened for a reason. I

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Speaker 2: think adults need to take some responsibility there too.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, as millennial as we can't blame ourselves,

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Speaker 1: so we have to blame you guys. You know right right,

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Speaker 1: that's the way it works. In Vita. You'll do the

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Speaker 1: same to the generations below you. But you give me

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Speaker 1: hope of Vida. You do great work. Everybody, go check

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Speaker 1: out a Vida's work on the Federalists, Go follow her

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Speaker 1: on Twitter. What's your Twitter handle again?

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Speaker 2: It's a Vita Duffy underscore one.

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Speaker 1: All right, well everyone go check a Vida's workout. You

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Speaker 1: give me hope. I appreciate you taking the time to

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Speaker 1: join the show.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: That was a Vita Duffy Alfonso. Appreciate her taking the

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Speaker 1: time to join the show bring us a little insight

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Speaker 1: into what seems like a crazy generation gen Z. Appreciate

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Speaker 1: you guys at home for listening every Monday and Thursday,

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Speaker 1: but you can listen throughout the week. Please leave us

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