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Speaker 1: you really going to change the combination because we all
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Speaker 1: I do, and yes, we will change it. We move
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Speaker 1: for weeks. We will miss you plural. Yes, but it
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Speaker 1: Welcome to the program. Got a lot to talk about.
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Speaker 1: Gundy from the Mothership. Chris Simms from Pro Football Talk
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Speaker 1: and nearly four hundred cities around America. The Seahawks came
Speaker 1: into this season under a lot of pressure, and a
Speaker 1: lot of that pressure was applied by Russell Wilson. He
Speaker 1: was unhappy. He spoke that way a couple of days
Speaker 1: after the Super Bowl on this program. I don't think
Speaker 1: that he can be satisfied at all with what he's
Speaker 1: seeing because they're five and nine, they're out of the
Speaker 1: playoff picture, first losing season he's ever had. Last night
Speaker 1: the Rams, they were shorthanded, and Seattle has to be
Speaker 1: really frustrated because you had an opportunity and give the
Speaker 1: Rams credit. They won a game that they needed to win.
Speaker 1: They should win. It was a home game. A couple
Speaker 1: of tough officiating calls win against Seattle as well. The
Speaker 1: truth is there was no postseason run that was going
Speaker 1: to happen. It was too much to expect. Really, you
Speaker 1: go back to when Russ was recovering from that early
Speaker 1: season finger injury. He was trying to keep the Seahawks
Speaker 1: afloat in one of the league's tougher divisions, and now
Speaker 1: come some pretty tough decisions because you got a seventy
Speaker 1: year old coach in Pete Carroll Russell Wilson in his prime,
Speaker 1: still wants to add to that legacy and he's not
Speaker 1: going to be doing that in Seattle. An incredible run together,
Speaker 1: then not many teams have a decade of consistent success
Speaker 1: and a Super Bowl title, two Super Bowl appearances, but
Speaker 1: eventually franchises are forced to change, and it appears that
Speaker 1: changes in the air in Seattle. I have spoken about this,
Speaker 1: It feels like almost in a weekly basis with Russ
Speaker 1: because people want to know. It feels like, you know,
Speaker 1: Russ came here, he wanted to let the football world know.
Speaker 1: He was not happy. He was watching Mahomes and Brady
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl and wondering would he ever get
Speaker 1: back there. But I do think that you could see
Speaker 1: a scenario where similar to what happened with the Lions
Speaker 1: and Matthew Stafford that maybe Russ says to Seattle, hey,
Speaker 1: can you send me to the Giants. You're gonna get
Speaker 1: draft picks in return. You guys can rebuild. You guys
Speaker 1: can do whatever you want, draft the quarterback you want
Speaker 1: to draft, whatever offense you want to run, if you
Speaker 1: want to keep Pete Carroll as your head coach. Because
Speaker 1: it feels like it's either Russ or Pete Carroll. I
Speaker 1: don't think that they're gonna And they can say all
Speaker 1: the right things and nice things and verbal bouquets, but
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, relationships come to an end.
Speaker 1: I remember the Lakers in the latter part of Showtime,
Speaker 1: and they were tired of pat Riley. It happens the Bulls,
Speaker 1: they got tired. Phil Jackson, you just okay, Phil, Hey,
Speaker 1: I got another book for you guys to read. Okay, Phil,
Speaker 1: You know it happens, and maybe that's happened in Seattle.
Speaker 1: It was a great run. But that was a game
Speaker 1: that you thought, if Seattle had anything left that it
Speaker 1: was going to be on display. But give credit to
Speaker 1: the Rams, certainly Cooper Cup. Here is Sean McVay on
Speaker 1: his star wide receivers performance last night. I think he
Speaker 1: has an idea of how well he's playing. But he
Speaker 1: is truly one of the most humble special players I've
Speaker 1: ever been around, and he doesn't need all the accolades.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's great he gets his first
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl recognition. I don't know how he's not going
Speaker 1: to be a first team All Pro player. I think
Speaker 1: he's a legitimate candidate for a lot of awards. But
Speaker 1: he is about our team. You know, He's interested in
Speaker 1: leading the right way, making the plays that you know
Speaker 1: that are instrumental and vital to the outcomes of really
Speaker 1: our team success. Nine catches, he has one hundred twenty
Speaker 1: two for the season. He's seventeen away from the NFL record.
Speaker 1: Two more touchdowns, both came in the second half. Wide
Speaker 1: receivers normally don't rank when it comes to MVPs. You
Speaker 1: you can look at Randy Moss with what he did,
Speaker 1: Tarall Owens with what he did. But for the most part,
Speaker 1: I mean, even Michael Thomas with the Saints, I don't
Speaker 1: know where he finished in the MVP race that year. McLevin,
Speaker 1: maybe you could check that. But Cooper Cup has been
Speaker 1: as valuable to his team as just about anybody has.
Speaker 1: And I know it sounds strange to say that because
Speaker 1: we look at quarterbacks and yes, they're more important because
Speaker 1: they're handling the football and every play. But what Cooper
Speaker 1: Cup does when he gets the football, he's as valuable
Speaker 1: as anybody. Is he a top five MVP candidate. I
Speaker 1: would say, with what the Rams are doing, you get
Speaker 1: a new quarterback in Stafford, and yes, you do have
Speaker 1: a couple of really impactful defensive players. You lose Robert
Speaker 1: woods Acres, you lose your starting running back, and he
Speaker 1: has shown up just about every single week and he's
Speaker 1: been healthy. If Jerry Rice does win the MVP, then
Speaker 1: no receiver is going to win the MVP. Joe Montana
Speaker 1: would get the MVP, not Jerry Rice. But Cooper Cup
Speaker 1: has made Matthew Stafford better. Stafford makes some throws that
Speaker 1: Jared Goff wouldn't make, but Cooper Cup has been as
Speaker 1: valuable to his team. And it's tricky because there's a
Speaker 1: lot of semantics that go that goes on when it
Speaker 1: comes to describing Cooper Cup. Okay, he's not he doesn't
Speaker 1: look like your prototypical great receiver. Why because he's white.
Speaker 1: I don't know how some of these, you know, writers
Speaker 1: or analysts would have written what they would have written
Speaker 1: about Steve Largent because Steve Largent was unbelievable. He was
Speaker 1: unguardable and you watched him and you, I don't know
Speaker 1: how he's doing it, but he's doing it. I think
Speaker 1: we look at Cooper Cup and you think, oh, that's
Speaker 1: a cute story. He's kind of like Julian Edelman, right,
Speaker 1: he six two two ten. He didn't go to a
Speaker 1: big college, Eastern Washington, but there's something about him that
Speaker 1: he is in the in the big games, big moments.
Speaker 1: You know, he plays really really well and these are
Speaker 1: impressive numbers that he has. But I think people are
Speaker 1: careful or trying to be careful and how do they
Speaker 1: describe him because he's the most productive wide receiver this year.
Speaker 1: But then you'll get some analyst he's not the best receiver,
Speaker 1: or I wouldn't take him as the number one wide receiver. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd probably take Davante Adams, but Cooper Cup. If you
Speaker 1: said my consolation prize is Cooper Cup, I'm okay with that. Yeah. McLevin,
Speaker 1: all right. Michael Thomas one Offensive Player of the Year
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen. But the MVP. Remember they're only fifty votes.
Speaker 1: Lamar got all fifty votes. That's why Russell Wilson has
Speaker 1: never gotten to vote for MVP. Beca's his very few voters. Yes, Paulie,
Speaker 1: it is fun. You can find the word. I looked
Speaker 1: up some Cooper Cup definitions and scriptions. Scrappy tough and
Speaker 1: Davante Adams is also six two two ten. They're both
Speaker 1: lists at the same height and weight, but those are
Speaker 1: not the words used. I know we talk about your measurables.
Speaker 1: That that's so important. Man, he runs four three forty. Okay,
Speaker 1: there are a lot of guys, you know. DK Metcalfe
Speaker 1: is probably ten times the athlete that Cooper Cup is.
Speaker 1: Who do you want you're taking Cooper Cup. Chris Carter
Speaker 1: is a Hall of Famer. He didn't run by anybody,
Speaker 1: but he knew how to play football. And we get
Speaker 1: into these dangerous territories where you go when that guy's
Speaker 1: not very fast. Jerry Rice, he wasn't that fast. You
Speaker 1: just Larry Fitzgerald wasn't that fast, not at all. No
Speaker 1: one ever said, man, Larry can run, never said that.
Speaker 1: No one said that about Chris Carter. John Ross was
Speaker 1: drafted by the Bengals. I think that was a top
Speaker 1: five pick out of Washington. He could run really good't cadge.
Speaker 1: You see this with a lot of receivers. It's are
Speaker 1: you willing to make the tough catch? Are you willing
Speaker 1: to go over the middle? Cooper Cup and he's been
Speaker 1: injury prone, but this season, it's a magical season. And
Speaker 1: I know it's past happy and these numbers are inflated,
Speaker 1: but what he's done, how he's done it, and in
Speaker 1: this year with all this pressure on the Rams, they're
Speaker 1: all in. But Cooper Cup has been their go to
Speaker 1: guy and you know he's the go to guy. And
Speaker 1: losing Robert Woods was a big loss for this offense.
Speaker 1: And you would think, Okay, they got Odell Beckham and
Speaker 1: O b J is a complimentary player to Cooper Cup.
Speaker 1: Cooper Cup is the go to guy. But I don't
Speaker 1: know if he's going to get the recognition he probably
Speaker 1: deserves because we do side with guys who get sacks
Speaker 1: and guys who throw touchdowns. Yeah, Mick, clemmon, one fast guy.
Speaker 1: I'm curious if you'd take Tyreek Hill over Cooper Cup
Speaker 1: and Davante Adams. Oh I don't know if he's a
Speaker 1: great receiver. I just think he's an unbelievable big play guy.
Speaker 1: You can't cover him. Um, I would take Davante Adams
Speaker 1: over all of them, but I would probably lean towards type.
Speaker 1: I don't like Tyreek Hill, you know, but I do
Speaker 1: like what he does on the football field, So I'd
Speaker 1: probably look at Tyreek Hill and then i'd have Cooper Cup.
Speaker 1: But you know, there's there's a lot of great receivers,
Speaker 1: you know, justin Jefferson Digs, you know, Jamar There's a
Speaker 1: lot of these guys. This is a magical season for
Speaker 1: a team that desperately needs him to be great every
Speaker 1: single game, and he has been. And he could end
Speaker 1: up with No. One hundred and fifty catches or so
Speaker 1: depending on how much they're going to go to him
Speaker 1: here in the latter part of the season. Yeah. See.
Speaker 1: Is there a difference though, between the best wide receiver
Speaker 1: and the wide receiver having the best season? Well, I
Speaker 1: think that's how they're positioning it. And I do think
Speaker 1: that's fair to say he is having the best year.
Speaker 1: But is he the best receiver He's I don't know.
Speaker 1: I know, I don't look at him as the best receiver.
Speaker 1: But he is having the best year. But I think
Speaker 1: he's more valuable to his team than Davante Adams is
Speaker 1: because I don't think that offense is it's that offense
Speaker 1: isn't as good as it was with Jared Golf and
Speaker 1: it feels like they're one dimensional. You're throwing it to
Speaker 1: Cooper Cup. Green Bay's got two really good running packs.
Speaker 1: They and they have a complimentary group of wide receivers there.
Speaker 1: And I hate to denigrate somebody, but you know, just
Speaker 1: you know, liting hares Hears, we'd like to say, you know,
Speaker 1: MC club, you know, the quarterback has a lot to
Speaker 1: do with it. DK Metcalf. Not that he's as good
Speaker 1: as Cooper Cup, but part of the reason his season
Speaker 1: has falled, apart as his Russell was hurt. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I don't think he's lived up to the you know,
Speaker 1: the post Combine hype, like he makes great plays. We
Speaker 1: get caught up in athleticism and there are guys who
Speaker 1: play in all sports where you go, I don't know
Speaker 1: he does it, and Cooper Cup is one of those players.
Speaker 1: Is he going to be off the charts athleticism wise, No,
Speaker 1: but football athletics it's like Jerry Rice had football speed.
Speaker 1: I don't remember Jerry getting caught, but oh my god,
Speaker 1: he ran a four to six forty. If he came
Speaker 1: out now and ran a four six forty, he not
Speaker 1: a first round draft pick. Yeah. Pulling the projections for
Speaker 1: they're on pace four dk metcalf is on pace for
Speaker 1: seventy catches. Cooper cups on pace for one hundred and forty.
Speaker 1: Here's Matthew Stafford on Cooper cup. He's a great player.
Speaker 1: He's having a fantastic season and he's such a huge
Speaker 1: part of what we do as a team. You know,
Speaker 1: not only on offense, he's back there catching a bunch
Speaker 1: of punts for us on special teams, does a great
Speaker 1: job leading that group. Happy that I get the chance
Speaker 1: to play with the guy like that. I know a
Speaker 1: lot of guys on our team feel the same way.
Speaker 1: We all take a hand in his success, and you know,
Speaker 1: we're just proud of him, proud of him watching him
Speaker 1: doing a thing. Rams handled the Seahawks. The Eagles are
Speaker 1: still alive. They beat Washington and they can run the football.
Speaker 1: You have a couple of bowl games. You have one
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Speaker 1: I'm good with that. Army's almost always in that Bowl game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's weird. There's always a military school in that Armed
Speaker 1: Forces ghost guard never makes it, yes, Todd, and they're
Speaker 1: selling it as no monking around. Okay, I gave it
Speaker 1: a shot. The head coach, Jeff Mounkin, Army had a
Speaker 1: deep cut even for me, an Army Serie Army no
Speaker 1: monking around. Yeah. If we were in album rock, that
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Speaker 1: that's like that what I just said. Now, do you
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Speaker 1: Sunday seven Eastern NBC and Peacock. We're looking at forty
Speaker 1: yard dash times for some of the great receivers of
Speaker 1: all time. Larry Fitzgerald was at four to sixty three,
Speaker 1: Jerry rice A four seven one, Chris Carter of four
Speaker 1: sixty three, an Quon Bolden four point seven, and Chad
Speaker 1: Johnson four point five seven. Who else is in here?
Speaker 1: Hines war to four five, Brandon Marshall four five days,
Speaker 1: Brian of four to five. So we get caught up
Speaker 1: in those measurables. Man, they could be dangerous because you
Speaker 1: can talk yourself into some player. And I mentioned John Ross.
Speaker 1: I mean John Ross, one of the fastest players who's
Speaker 1: ever played in the NFL. Didn't mean anything, had great speed,
Speaker 1: it was just, man, that guy's wide open. That guy
Speaker 1: who can't catch, he's wide open. Chris Simms, Pro Football
Speaker 1: Talk Live co host, NBC Sports, NFL analyst. Let's start
Speaker 1: where we left off with Cooper Cup value wise, not
Speaker 1: talking about you know, Davante Adams talent or DeAndre hop
Speaker 1: you know, any of that, just value to his team.
Speaker 1: Where does Cooper Cup rank this year in your opinion? Well,
Speaker 1: it's up there. First off, like the talent things real,
Speaker 1: Like people gotta stopt short changing the guy. You know
Speaker 1: what about the talent's not real? How many how many
Speaker 1: fifty yard catches do we have to see him run
Speaker 1: by everybody where we go? You know what, he is fast?
Speaker 1: I mean, I know he's white and he ran a
Speaker 1: four or six of the combine, but he's fast, like
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, but he legitimately is. And you
Speaker 1: made a great point there with some of the names
Speaker 1: you talked about. You know, again, not everybody is great.
Speaker 1: Was taught the right way to run the forty that's
Speaker 1: more times than not. What happens to those guys now
Speaker 1: value to the team? Dan? You know, as far as
Speaker 1: non quarterbacks are concerned, Yeah, it's up there with you know,
Speaker 1: I think a Davante Adams, Deebo Samuel Jonathan Taylor. I
Speaker 1: think you put it in that list right there, I'd
Speaker 1: go those are probably the three most non you know,
Speaker 1: important quarterbacks in football really, and of course come from
Speaker 1: that you know, Shanahan coaching tree, where they know how
Speaker 1: to feature a guy, but he can do everything, you know.
Speaker 1: I don't know, have you ever met Cooper Cup or
Speaker 1: seen him in person? Dan, No, he's bigger than you think,
Speaker 1: you know, he really is. He's six one six two ish,
Speaker 1: you know. And of course, yes, the quickness is real,
Speaker 1: the the smarts and evaluating coverage and all that are
Speaker 1: really good. But the talent's real too, it is, and
Speaker 1: and they know how to you know, get it all
Speaker 1: out of him, that's for sure. But I want quickness
Speaker 1: over speed. Yeah, I hear you. At every position, like
Speaker 1: I want my running back to be quick to get
Speaker 1: to the whole. I want my hineman to be able
Speaker 1: to be quick to get out in space or my
Speaker 1: wide receivers. I love quickness. Speed can take a while.
Speaker 1: And what do you do with that speed? Quickness? I
Speaker 1: can you're talking about, Yeah, you're talking about like acceleration, right,
Speaker 1: like you want you want more acceleration too out of
Speaker 1: that quickness importance. Certainly, accelerations probably the most important thing
Speaker 1: you can talk about at times. Yes, there's no doubt
Speaker 1: about that. Hey, you can get also though, like a
Speaker 1: guy like where I know I miss evaluated coming out
Speaker 1: in the draft, And I always kind of call this
Speaker 1: like the Peter Wark syndrome a little bit like the
Speaker 1: Clyde Edwards Hilaire. Right, he's very quick, you know, but
Speaker 1: there is a speed element that misses to where hey
Speaker 1: makes a guy miss. He makes a guy miss. But
Speaker 1: the first guy he made miss already caught him from
Speaker 1: behind to tackle him because he's not fast enough. But yeah,
Speaker 1: there has to be a certain blend. And I agree
Speaker 1: with you more times than not. You know that acceleration
Speaker 1: quickness factor is probably more important than anything you say
Speaker 1: goodbye to the Seattle Seahawks playoff hopes here, as if
Speaker 1: they had any real hopes there. But are we also
Speaker 1: saying goodbye to the partnership of Pete Carroll and Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1: It seems that. And again I have no inside info
Speaker 1: here or anything like that. I'm not trying to break news.
Speaker 1: But you know, again, I think you just you look
Speaker 1: at the you know, read between the lines, whatever the
Speaker 1: writing on the wall. It seems that way when you
Speaker 1: couple that together what Russell said to you last year
Speaker 1: after the Super Bowl in the off season. I know
Speaker 1: people close to the situation who also believe that's very
Speaker 1: much on his radar. How could he how could he
Speaker 1: be content with what's going on there right now? That's
Speaker 1: all I can say. I mean, either he gets out
Speaker 1: of there, or he stays and maybe Pete Carroll is
Speaker 1: out of there, or maybe Pete finally makes an adjustment
Speaker 1: and says, Okay, hey, I'll get an offense and run
Speaker 1: an offense that you really want to run. But you know, again,
Speaker 1: he's not playing his best football. I know that. But
Speaker 1: how many plays did we watch last night where I
Speaker 1: think I've had fun with you before? You know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you go straight, you go straight, and you go straight.
Speaker 1: Down the middle. There's there's lack of creativity, there's lack
Speaker 1: of easy ways to get the ball into their playmaker's hands.
Speaker 1: There's issues with that offense. And I can't imagine that
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson's happy with the style of play in which
Speaker 1: they're playing with right now or even towards the end
Speaker 1: of last year. Could you see the Giants actually going
Speaker 1: all in on Russell Wilson because that's a rebuild here,
Speaker 1: you're Barkley, you got some receivers, like you have some
Speaker 1: guys who can be good, right are you? Are you
Speaker 1: moving on from Daniel Jones? Are you gonna move on
Speaker 1: from sa Quon? You got to bolster the offensive, Like
Speaker 1: if I'm Russ, I'm gonna go Okay, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: now I'm going into that situation. I know, yeah, there's
Speaker 1: probably better situations now. It is New York, and you know,
Speaker 1: I think there's there is a thought out there that
Speaker 1: you know, he and his wife would love to be
Speaker 1: in that big market. But yeah, you're gonna have offensive
Speaker 1: line issues. You talk about it's it's there's a lot
Speaker 1: of ifs there with New York right now. The other
Speaker 1: thing I would go is, I guess I'd have to
Speaker 1: see New York actually go that route of type of quarterback.
Speaker 1: You know, they have a little bit of the Giants,
Speaker 1: Bill Parcels have that. Belichick believe they kind of want
Speaker 1: that traditional pocket passer quarterback. Even when I worked in
Speaker 1: New England, it really there was a checklist as far
Speaker 1: as what you wanted at the quarterback position, as far
Speaker 1: as size and all the attributes to go along with it.
Speaker 1: So I'm not sure if I think that's a match
Speaker 1: made in heaven on either side there. You know, Dolphins
Speaker 1: are certainly one of those that still throw in the mix.
Speaker 1: The Broncos, as we've talked about, they're going to be
Speaker 1: in Quarterbackville at the end of the year. That'd be
Speaker 1: one that I would intrigue me if I'm a quarterback.
Speaker 1: They got the receivers, the offensive line certainly got better
Speaker 1: this year. They got a pretty good running back. I mean,
Speaker 1: that would be another one that jumps out. But I
Speaker 1: don't know that Giants one. I guess I got, you know,
Speaker 1: questions about that one. Damn how good are the Rams?
Speaker 1: About how dangerous are the Rams? They're dangerous as hell.
Speaker 1: I don't know how good they are. I don't know
Speaker 1: if they've played their best football as of yet. You know,
Speaker 1: you saw the game last night. Good, not great. You
Speaker 1: know there's just a super Bowl polish that's missing from
Speaker 1: them right now. You know again, I know they've won
Speaker 1: three in a row and they've righted the ship to
Speaker 1: a degree there. It was good to see their stars
Speaker 1: pop once again on a big stage last night, the
Speaker 1: defense and offense. But I'm not sure. I look at
Speaker 1: them and go, I know they're a playoff team. I
Speaker 1: know they're capable of winning a game, maybe two. Maybe
Speaker 1: they are, but there's something missing about me thinking they're
Speaker 1: a legit gonna win the super Bowl or in that
Speaker 1: short list of Super Bowl teams right now. I guess
Speaker 1: I'd like to see the defensive hair more dominant and
Speaker 1: the offense just be a hair more consistent. I look
Speaker 1: at it and go, Okay, yeah, they beat the Jaguars.
Speaker 1: They should have Arizona great win. I get it, But
Speaker 1: I think we could both sit here and go, hey, Arizona,
Speaker 1: serve some things up on a silver plate for them
Speaker 1: to kind of help them win that game. And then
Speaker 1: last night's ugly. So I guess I'm kind of waiting
Speaker 1: to see what they can kind of grow into here
Speaker 1: down this stretch and and what they can make themselves
Speaker 1: as the playoffs start. But are they similar to Dallas
Speaker 1: that you have two really good defensive players on both
Speaker 1: of those teams, and then you have offenses with offensive
Speaker 1: minded head coaches, you know, wanting to pass the ball,
Speaker 1: although they have a better running game with two running
Speaker 1: backs in Dallas. But are there parallels between those two
Speaker 1: There is a little bit. It's it is star oriented,
Speaker 1: There's no doubt, you know, I do think, like you said,
Speaker 1: Dallas has the capability to run the ball a little
Speaker 1: bit better, which translates a football you know. But also
Speaker 1: where I'll say, and again I I even dropped the
Speaker 1: ball on this a little bit as the season went
Speaker 1: on here, you know it just you forget how talented
Speaker 1: that Dallas defensive line is when they're totally healthy, and
Speaker 1: how deep they are. That's the thing that they have
Speaker 1: over the Rams too. The Rams do not have that
Speaker 1: type of depth. They have to rely on guys playing
Speaker 1: a lot of snaps. Dallas, you know, they're a legitimate
Speaker 1: eight deep on the defensive line, and they and rotate
Speaker 1: and give you a lot of different combinations. Let alone,
Speaker 1: they can make Michael Parsons a defensive linement at times too.
Speaker 1: To me, with Dallas and that defensive line, it kind
Speaker 1: of puts them Okay, I'm gonna say a notch above
Speaker 1: maybe the Rams in my eyes right now, even though
Speaker 1: I got questions about Dallas's offense, is too simple, Dan,
Speaker 1: That's what I would tell you. You know, they're just
Speaker 1: the passing game. Simple. People want to know what's wrong
Speaker 1: with Dak. You know, again, he spoiled us because he
Speaker 1: was amazing early on. He's definitely not playing as hot
Speaker 1: as he was or as good as he was. But
Speaker 1: I also look at it, why is it simple? Well,
Speaker 1: the schemes themselves are simple, and they can get away
Speaker 1: with it. You know when the run game is really working,
Speaker 1: and then that invites some basic coverages. Hey, we got
Speaker 1: to stop the run, and now they got the one
Speaker 1: on one playmakers to make plays happen against those simple defenses.
Speaker 1: But you know, the run games are in spotty over
Speaker 1: the last five or six weeks. So I think you
Speaker 1: couple that with Prescott not being totally on his game,
Speaker 1: and now teams are going, whoa wait, we don't have
Speaker 1: to put all our eggs into stopping the run we
Speaker 1: can play some coverage stuff. I watched film with them
Speaker 1: every week, and there's just too many plays where I
Speaker 1: go the defense they dropped, They were all over this play.
Speaker 1: They knew what was coming. They played his own defense.
Speaker 1: There's three receivers over the here, and they could they
Speaker 1: concocted a defense where everybody dropped right in that area
Speaker 1: where they wanted to attack. Those are the signals I
Speaker 1: start to see when I go, it's a little too simple.
Speaker 1: Defenses have caught on to kind of what you're doing here.
Speaker 1: As the season went along, talking to Chris Sims, Pro
Speaker 1: Football Talk Live co host with Mike Florio, I thought,
Speaker 1: if Brady had a good performance and the Buccaneers beat
Speaker 1: the Saints, he was going to win the MVP. He
Speaker 1: had one of his worst performances, gets shut out. Now
Speaker 1: you look at all the injuries there and feels like
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is the leading candidate for the MVP. What
Speaker 1: do you think? That's what I believe now, And again
Speaker 1: I'm not like I really was saying this for the
Speaker 1: last three weeks, even before this this, you know, Saints game,
Speaker 1: Debacco by the Bucks offense to a degree, I don't
Speaker 1: think there's a player in football that's more important to
Speaker 1: their offense right now than Aaron Rodgers. Again, there's some
Speaker 1: good players there we know, but we can't even decide
Speaker 1: on who the second receiver is. Who is it? I
Speaker 1: don't know, is it Valda Scandling? Is a Lazard? You know?
Speaker 1: Was it Randall Cobb? I don't know. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: It's Aaron Rodgers. I mean, he's just he's he's on fire.
Speaker 1: He's playing unbelievable football. And you know, again with Brady, hey,
Speaker 1: I know that's a good Saints defense, but you know
Speaker 1: what I would look at a little bit is the
Speaker 1: Bills game being up the way they were. They let
Speaker 1: the Bills back in. Brady kind of dropped the ball
Speaker 1: about three or four series in a row where he
Speaker 1: had some open receivers to kind of put the game away.
Speaker 1: And then you see the other night again, I know
Speaker 1: Brady's awesome, but you see the inability to create anything
Speaker 1: off schedule and nights like that, and us I would
Speaker 1: I would put you know, Rogers in the league right
Speaker 1: now for my money. I watched the Eagles Washington game
Speaker 1: last night, at least a portion of it. I'm fascinating
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts. I don't know he's a weapon. I don't
Speaker 1: know if he's a great quarterback right And that's it's
Speaker 1: tricky because you have three first round draft picks. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you're going to be in on any
Speaker 1: of the quarterbacking sweepstakes. But can you build around Jalen
Speaker 1: Hurts long term? I certainly questioned that before the year.
Speaker 1: I would have been one that, but it's ald, you know, like, no,
Speaker 1: that's not going to happen. You know. He just he's
Speaker 1: too unpolished passing the football, like you said, you know,
Speaker 1: and I feel like there was a time there early
Speaker 1: in the year where they were doing the you know,
Speaker 1: the round peg into the square hole thing, you know,
Speaker 1: Nick Siriani coming from the Colts and having some history,
Speaker 1: you know, with the Chargers out there, I felt like
Speaker 1: they were trying to make Jalen Hurts like Philip Rivers
Speaker 1: in that offense. He's not that. You know. What they
Speaker 1: have done is they evaluated their team to what you're
Speaker 1: talking about and said, wait, we have this unbelievable offensive line,
Speaker 1: one of the best offensive lines in football, if not
Speaker 1: the best, and we got a quarterback who can run
Speaker 1: and do special things that way, Why don't we start
Speaker 1: to play around those strengths? And that to me is
Speaker 1: when they caught fire. And I don't know, you know,
Speaker 1: I said today on Pro Football Talk to Floria, I'm
Speaker 1: kind of getting to the point now where he's played
Speaker 1: enough and I've seen enough to why I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: go for it. I think he might be enough to
Speaker 1: where you go, he is the future. We just gotta
Speaker 1: go all in kind of Lamar Jackson Baltimore Ravens style.
Speaker 1: Maybe get one more receiver to hey speed sweeps and
Speaker 1: fake this and fake that, and you got Davante Smith
Speaker 1: and Rieger in a good tight end. Maybe another running
Speaker 1: back to the mix to round out the stable of
Speaker 1: urb's there. But I do think you can do it,
Speaker 1: and they're dangerous, Dan, Like I wouldn't want to see
Speaker 1: Philadelphia in the playoffs with that running game chewing up
Speaker 1: a clock. Now, you know your offense feels the pressure of,
Speaker 1: oh gosh, we gotta make something happen. They go three
Speaker 1: and out, they chew up the clock again. You know,
Speaker 1: they can be a real pain for somebody if they
Speaker 1: do get in, and I'm kind of hoping they do
Speaker 1: because I think they are one of the seven best
Speaker 1: in the Nfcly this uh with you. Tom Brady spoke
Speaker 1: out on his podcast with Jim Gray that he's talked
Speaker 1: to the NFL Players Association. He wants to talk to
Speaker 1: the competition committee about these hits, these lower body hits,
Speaker 1: these around the knees hits. Um, you can't hit him
Speaker 1: in the head, even if you go up top you
Speaker 1: could have a glancing I mean, that's right. And I
Speaker 1: said this yesterday. They like to make it seem like
Speaker 1: baseball strike zone, you know, the knees to the armpits.
Speaker 1: That's not what the strike zone is in baseball. It's
Speaker 1: it's a circle around your belly button. It's about it.
Speaker 1: And that's where that's where we are with football. How
Speaker 1: do you how are you fair to defensive players here
Speaker 1: of what you can can't do? Right? Yeah, you're right,
Speaker 1: it's not the whole sports become unfair to defensive players.
Speaker 1: You're not allowed to hit the quarterback hard anymore. You
Speaker 1: know the horrible call we saw two nights ago with
Speaker 1: Conklin of the Vikings going down the middle of the field,
Speaker 1: then he gets hit by Dan Bush. To play that,
Speaker 1: Matt Nage got the personal foul on And I mean
Speaker 1: he didn't, like you said, he hit him in the chest,
Speaker 1: but he does have a head connected to him in
Speaker 1: a helmet and it well maybe it grazed his helmet.
Speaker 1: Oh no, yes, it's it's very tough. They've made it
Speaker 1: hard on these defensive football players. I don't know what
Speaker 1: they want them to do. Certainly wasn't a dirty hit
Speaker 1: by p J Williams. I understand him going low and
Speaker 1: doing that for all the reasons you said, you know,
Speaker 1: and again this is where I want to go back to,
Speaker 1: like we all know what we signed up for, and
Speaker 1: every guy going over the middle would rather be hit
Speaker 1: in the head than they would in the knees. And
Speaker 1: I wish they would just take that aspect away of like, hey,
Speaker 1: we'll still protect the head. We don't want launching at
Speaker 1: the head, but you know, again, within reasonable contact and
Speaker 1: you're aiming to hit the chest. If the head barely
Speaker 1: hits the guy in the head, okay, we're not calling
Speaker 1: it. It It wasn't aimed, It wasn't a launch at the head.
Speaker 1: To do that. They got to find something because you know,
Speaker 1: like Brady is saying, you tear your acl that's that's
Speaker 1: a big injury for a wide receivers, you know, in
Speaker 1: the middle of his career. Yeah, and it's unfortunate, and
Speaker 1: he's on the last year of his contract. And but
Speaker 1: but if I'm a defensihip player and I'm trying to
Speaker 1: tackle gronk Am, I going up high, No, I gotta
Speaker 1: go down low. And it's unfortunate that play is that is.
Speaker 1: But but I if I'm a defenship player, I don't
Speaker 1: know how how would Ronnie Lott play today? I know
Speaker 1: he'd be like, he'd go crazy. I mean again, we've
Speaker 1: taken away you know, one of the great factors for
Speaker 1: a team that's built around defense, and that's the fear factor.
Speaker 1: You want to throw the ball over the middle, you're
Speaker 1: gonna get your head knocked off. You're gonna hold the
Speaker 1: ball in the pocket, We're gonna knock your head off.
Speaker 1: And I don't mean that, you know, to the literal term.
Speaker 1: But you know what I'm saying. Physicality is what made
Speaker 1: some of the great defense is great in the history
Speaker 1: of the sport. I mean my Dad's Giants of eighty six,
Speaker 1: or the Bears of eighty five, or the Broncos of
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen. They wouldn't be the same if you know,
Speaker 1: some of these rules were just egregiously in place right now.
Speaker 1: So yes, it's a really tough spot. And I think
Speaker 1: they call way too many of these penalties on defensive
Speaker 1: players right now. You're way too young to be a
Speaker 1: get off my longe guy. I know, I know, but
Speaker 1: I am because I'm young, but I'm an old soul
Speaker 1: as far as football it's concerned. And I've watched too
Speaker 1: many NFL films and watched my dad's old games to
Speaker 1: go come on, like, I want to protect players. I
Speaker 1: get that, But we've gotten to the point where if
Speaker 1: a fingernail hits a quarterback, we throw the penalty flag.
Speaker 1: You know, It's just it's gotten ridiculous here. And to me,
Speaker 1: you're you're severely handicapping some of the better defenses in
Speaker 1: football with the way the game's getting called right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I could we need to change. It's like instant replay
Speaker 1: is not instant, it's just replay and roughing the passer.
Speaker 1: Not every passer gets roughed, right, but you know, grazing
Speaker 1: the passer you know, nothing, we'd call it nothing the passers.
Speaker 1: The phrase I started to use a few weeks ago.
Speaker 1: I'm pft. It's called nothing the pass where you just
Speaker 1: go what like, he just got hit hard. That's not
Speaker 1: roughing the passer, you know. And again, just too much
Speaker 1: bad offense being rewarded. Oh, quarterback throws the ball in
Speaker 1: the triple coverage down the middle of the field, receiver
Speaker 1: gets hit and it's a penalty ana pass interference. Now
Speaker 1: it's a horrible decision by the quarterback. I mean again,
Speaker 1: we're gonna reward the left tackle misses a block. Oh,
Speaker 1: you hit the quarterback too hard? First down offense. We
Speaker 1: don't care that you were horrible in pass protection. That's
Speaker 1: what I don't like that. That's to me where it's
Speaker 1: too subjective and too much in the referee's hands. Right now,
Speaker 1: thank you, Chris the man Dan out of those Merry
Speaker 1: Christmas to all those jerks over there too. All right,
Speaker 1: mclovin is leaving tomorrow. Tomorrow's his last show. What yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh. All right, well I'll act like I
Speaker 1: like mclovin for today. Then I'm sorry to see him
Speaker 1: go because I love him a lot. He's a good dude.
Speaker 1: They're all good dudes. But you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: they're jerks and they're good dude. It's it's the same thing.
Speaker 1: Thank you seeing mclovin. Thank you. Yeah, there you go
Speaker 1: there jerks and their kid dudes. Yeah, yeah, it makes
Speaker 1: a perfect thing. He was overcome with emotion there that
Speaker 1: mclovin was leaving. How do you contain his thoughts? I
Speaker 1: love nothing the passer though, that's nothing. Yeah, fifteen yards
Speaker 1: nothing the passer. So good. Take a break. We got
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Speaker 1: Andrea in New Jersey leads us off. Hi Andrea, Good morning, Dan,
Speaker 1: good more, long time listener, fourth time caller five seventy,
Speaker 1: show it out to chat Row and are awesome leader
Speaker 1: Tyler as well as all the rest of the brgs
Speaker 1: on behalf of chat Row. We want to wish Andrew
Speaker 1: the best of luck. He will be missed by all
Speaker 1: of us and we are pulling for you Andrew, and
Speaker 1: we know you're going to do great. On a personal note,
Speaker 1: Andrew and Seton were always my one A and one
Speaker 1: B when he came to favorite Danetts. So with Andrew leaving,
Speaker 1: that means Seton officially holds the top spot and Fritzel
Speaker 1: officially moves to the second spot. There's a last Anti Palli.
Speaker 1: I'm not even the third. I'm like fifth, your third Pie.
Speaker 1: We love it. I love you too. You're good. You
Speaker 1: know that's okay. You're good. You keep everybody in line.
Speaker 1: That's important. All right. Well, thank you Andrew and mclovin,
Speaker 1: thanks you as well. Thank you Andrean. Yeah, the story
Speaker 1: wasn't who's now first, it's who's still last. Yeah, Paulli, Fritzie,
Speaker 1: then Penny the Dog, then the guy in the park
Speaker 1: a lot Who's Yeah. Ben in Minnesota, Hi, Ben, Good morning, Dan,
Speaker 1: Morning Ben. Back to back toward twenty five. I'd like
Speaker 1: to thank you guys for helping me get through a
Speaker 1: year rehab with my ankle, reconstruction, money replacement. You guys
Speaker 1: make me laugh every day, I swear. And I've got
Speaker 1: a late best of the weekend for NDSU getting back
Speaker 1: to the championship game again. Yeah, and we're still celebrating
Speaker 1: Winnipeg win in the back to back CFL championships, of course.
Speaker 1: And one last thing I'd like to thank McLevin for
Speaker 1: all is a good last we've had through the years
Speaker 1: with him and will miss them. I'm good luck with
Speaker 1: us new show and stuff, everything so thanks, thanks Ben. Yes,
Speaker 1: mcleven you ever noticed there's no rhyme or reason to
Speaker 1: who a college favorite Dan? That is, women tend to
Speaker 1: sympathize with the back row a little bit. I think
Speaker 1: we have a slight edge. They feel bad for us. Well,
Speaker 1: I think women think that I pick on Todd too much. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I do. But it's it's tough love. You know.
Speaker 1: Guys are soft nowadays. You know, back in my days
Speaker 1: you could get yelled at, you know, but callers come
Speaker 1: in and you never know who they're going to say.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of Polly's don't really call in,
Speaker 1: but they're out there on Twitter now. Not necessarily. I
Speaker 1: don't think there's a whole bunch of people on hold
Speaker 1: saying they love me. Well, I'm over it already, Polly.
Speaker 1: If you say you're leaving, then we'll find we can
Speaker 1: put that to the test. Yeah, all right, I'll say
Speaker 1: you get eight callers rather be feared than loved. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But you know, as we've had more women callers in
Speaker 1: the last week about this topic, well, I think the
Speaker 1: back row brings in the ladies. I think that's really
Speaker 1: what I think we can be honest, it's really about
Speaker 1: that back row, the charisma. All right, I thought you
Speaker 1: hired us for our looks back here, and I thought
Speaker 1: that was the game plan obviously, and apparently that that's
Speaker 1: the reason why I hired you. I mean, look at
Speaker 1: Todd when he was, you know, twenty years of age.
Speaker 1: Nice run thirty plus years ago. Yeah, but you had
Speaker 1: a run like I never had that moment where I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, damn, look pretty good. You had that moment.
Speaker 1: I can tell you it wasn't genetics. I'm proud to
Speaker 1: say I worked pretty hard on that. That's that's not
Speaker 1: something that I had a long line of people that
Speaker 1: were all fit in my household. Thank you to welcome.
Speaker 1: What's the pole question we're going with McLevin. We have
Speaker 1: a quarterback pole question. If you could if you could
Speaker 1: build a team around one of these quarterbacks all in
Speaker 1: the same sort of genre, Jalen Hurts, Zach Wilson justin fields,
Speaker 1: and there's a push to put Bryce young on there,
Speaker 1: so you could get a young quarterback where you're not
Speaker 1: sure about to build around. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: want to putt put Bryce, I will take him out
Speaker 1: of there. But the young quarterbacks that the first or
Speaker 1: second year guys Jalen Hurts, Zach Wilson, justin Field, Trey Lance.
Speaker 1: I guess you could put on and then not putting Trevor.
Speaker 1: If you could vote to permanently add Tuesday night foot,
Speaker 1: would you be all in? Or say no, that's too
Speaker 1: much football? How about that? I'd be curious about that
Speaker 1: Tuesday night football. It's nice. Although people realized and we
Speaker 1: try to give your heads up yesterday, you're only getting
Speaker 1: one game last night, so you're tuning in. You go,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, I want the Rams in Seattle or
Speaker 1: vice versa. Jeff van Gundy will join us Christmas night.
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Speaker 1: of product you're going to see, certainly who's playing, who's
Speaker 1: not and the Lakers going to make the playoffs? Is
Speaker 1: it a given they're going to make the playoffs? Playoffs?
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