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Speaker 1: Who are these people that thought it was okay to

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Speaker 1: You're looking at a lie and police officers in front

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Speaker 1: scene of the riots. How dare they storm our capitol,

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Speaker 1: these people that seemingly have risen up out of normal,

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Speaker 1: and what do they have to look forward to? In

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Speaker 1: the courtroom with me and all star panel. First of all,

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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall, psycho analyst joining me out of Beverly

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Speaker 1: Hills at Doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. James Shellnutt, twenty

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Speaker 1: Katherine Maloney, Deputy Chief Medical Examiner, Erie County in Buffalo.

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Speaker 1: But first to Washington Examiner reporter Emily Lawson. Emily, tell

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Speaker 1: his name is Brian Secnig, and he was forty two

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Speaker 1: And these capitl police officers are people that lawmakers, reporters,

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Speaker 1: he sadly passed after that. Not only did we lose

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Speaker 1: a listen to Brian Lashawan, WUSA nine. Forty two year

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Speaker 1: His family says he always wanted to be a cop.

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Speaker 1: the beliefs Frindsy. He was an outspoken supporter of President Trump,

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Speaker 1: Firm dot com. James, I get the sense that this

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Speaker 1: It's one thing to march. It's one thing to hold

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Speaker 1: cross that line, Nancy? You cross the line when powerful

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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, you can't blame any anybody else for your

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Speaker 1: They listen to Trump and they use that as an excuse.

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Speaker 1: I'm on to zoom international chat groups with other psychoanalysts, scholars,

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Speaker 1: how did it go from a group of people being

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Speaker 1: Emily Larson, Will you help me deal with doctor Bethany

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Speaker 1: Marshall and our international panel of what remarcists. You're remarking

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Speaker 1: So what's this theory? They were quite brainwashed by watching

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Speaker 1: from eric. He lives in his mom's basement, doesn't he Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Two plus two does not equal five. But you correctly

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Speaker 1: Erica Stapleton News twelve. The name he uses is Jake Angeli,

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Speaker 1: listen now again to you, Erica Stapleton, twelve News, Phoenix.

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Speaker 1: it's possible that the stress of the situation caused him

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Speaker 1: as a heart attack or a stroke, which, again, because

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Speaker 1: this activity, in addition to being a legal activity, is

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Speaker 1: daily living, which is normal things that happen to you

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Speaker 1: when your daily, everyday activities, would most likely be considered

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Speaker 1: a homicide. But again it's up to the Medical Examiner's

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Speaker 1: office to do a full investigation and see what comes back.

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Speaker 1: I find it very hard to believe that if you

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Speaker 1: get hit in the head where a fire extinguisher tank

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Speaker 1: and then you die afterwards, that the two are not related.

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Speaker 1: But we'll wait and see what happens with me. Doctor

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Speaker 1: Katherine Maloney out of Buffalo to Emily Lawson, reporting with

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Speaker 1: the Washington Examiner there at the Capitol when the attack occurred.

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Speaker 1: The name Victoria Burgison is burned into my memory. The Kinnecticut,

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Speaker 1: a woman arrested because of the riot, who said she

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Speaker 1: didn't know she was at the capitol, helped me out. Emily. Yeah, Well,

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Speaker 1: so there was one thing that to keep in mind

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Speaker 1: is that there were these people who were leading the

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Speaker 1: reach on the Capitol one of my colleagues talked to

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Speaker 1: a number of people who were going in and out

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Speaker 1: really possible for police officers to stop them from getting in,

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Speaker 1: and so at a certain point they were trying to

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Speaker 1: my colleagues talk to some of the people who kind

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Speaker 1: of just walked in after and said that they thought

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Speaker 1: actually believe that or they were just saying that is

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Speaker 1: something else. But perhaps she falls into that category that

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Speaker 1: she thought that, you know, she was just short of

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Speaker 1: following the crowd. But you know, maybe she was also

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Speaker 1: just saying that because she doesn't want to make aware

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Speaker 1: that she knew she was committing an illegal act. Well,

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Speaker 1: she Many of these people are caught on video, so

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Speaker 1: it's going to be very difficult for them to claim

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Speaker 1: that they didn't know where they were or they didn't

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Speaker 1: know what was going on. Very deming shell Nut. There's

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Speaker 1: been a lot of talk about it being an inside job,

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Speaker 1: so to speak. What do you make of that, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure what to make of it. I will

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Speaker 1: tell you I've looked at that, and there are a

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Speaker 1: lot of ways that people can find out information about

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Speaker 1: the Capitol Building online. You know, there's photos that people

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Speaker 1: have taken, photos posted. It's not that hard to develop

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Speaker 1: what the floor plan is, what the entry and egress

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Speaker 1: is to these buildings. You know people who have been

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Speaker 1: in there before. If you've ever gone in there, walked through,

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Speaker 1: you know, you know what a secure check points or

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Speaker 1: at So I'm not sure how much of an inside

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Speaker 1: job that it was. I'm not buying the whole inside

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Speaker 1: job thing because if every an inside job, I don't

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Speaker 1: think that Capitol Hill police would have stood by and

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Speaker 1: let their fellow officers be bludgeon in the head and

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Speaker 1: attacked and tear gasbery. That just doesn't make sense to me.

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Speaker 1: We also know about a stay at home Florida father

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Speaker 1: of five, last named Johnson. What can you tell me

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Speaker 1: about this guy? A stay at home father of five.

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Speaker 1: He is the one who was smiling by Nancy Pelosi's

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Speaker 1: lecturn Emily Larson, who says Florida dad a stay at

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Speaker 1: home dad. Well, he is somebody who went into obviously

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Speaker 1: can't went in. He's from Florida. He's thirty six years old.

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Speaker 1: He wore a Trump hat with the number forty five

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Speaker 1: on it. He has a tattoo that says God Wings cross. UM.

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Speaker 1: So he was he was charged, you know with uh

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Speaker 1: knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted grounds and disorderly conducts.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, this I think this UM he's also an example,

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Speaker 1: you mean, from from this guy Adam Johnson to the

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Speaker 1: guy who was wearing the Viking helmet to UM, the

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Speaker 1: Air Force, the veteran, the woman who died on was

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Speaker 1: shot by Capitol police. This is a very wide ranging

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Speaker 1: set of people who traveled to Washington, DC and protested

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Speaker 1: and turned into a violent riot and insurrection. One rioter,

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Speaker 1: a fifty eight year old Christopher Stanton, has been found

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Speaker 1: dead in his home in Alpharetta. Not only that, a

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Speaker 1: suicide of a Capitol officer has taken place. Take a

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Speaker 1: list of our friends at Fox five or tonight about

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Speaker 1: the Capitol police officer who died by suicide in the

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Speaker 1: days following the Capitol riots. Officer Howard Liebanood was a

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Speaker 1: fifteen year veteran of the force, a former race car

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Speaker 1: driver who grew up in Virginia. Fox FIPS. Lindsay Watts

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Speaker 1: is live at the National Mall with more. Lindsay a

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Speaker 1: family spokesman confirming tonight Officer Howard Liebanood died by suicide

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Speaker 1: Saturday and was on duty at the Capitol Wednesday. A

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Speaker 1: brief statement says his death is a tragedy that has

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Speaker 1: deprived all of us. A dedicated public servant. His family

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Speaker 1: has suffered a devastating loss. They're asking for privacy. During

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Speaker 1: the entire time I've been in the Senate, his face

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Speaker 1: has been a very, very familiar face virtually every morning

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Speaker 1: that I've come to were Virginia Senator Tim Kaine is

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Speaker 1: among lawmakers who knew him well. Libanood interacted with countless

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Speaker 1: people visiting the capital over the years. This photo has

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Speaker 1: been the one used by news outlets around the world.

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Speaker 1: Been good with three children of a former Senate staffer.

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Speaker 1: Back to you, Emily Larson, Washington Examiner. I'm now keeping

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Speaker 1: a tally of those dead as a result of the

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Speaker 1: attack on our capitol, of course, Brian Sicknick Levin, Good,

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Speaker 1: Ashley Babbitt who was shot, Kevin Greeson, Rosanne Violin, and

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Speaker 1: Benjamin Phillips. Now I've got Christopher Stanton. Have I missed anybody, Emily.

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Speaker 1: That's all that we know so far, and I believe that.

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Speaker 1: You know, the thing that was pretty shocking about this

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Speaker 1: is that there was so much chaos and so many

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Speaker 1: attacks on police officers and so many confrontations that it's

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Speaker 1: really amazing that more people weren't fatally injured. And you know,

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Speaker 1: the haunting thing is that these people were looking or lawmakers,

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Speaker 1: they were looking for Mike Pence. They were saying, Hey,

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Speaker 1: Mike Pence, there was uh, there were there was a

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Speaker 1: person with zip tized? What were they going to do

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Speaker 1: with those? Were they going to um trying? Were they

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Speaker 1: planning to a cuff these lawmakers? It was really haunting

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Speaker 1: and it was very quick that right, right, it was.

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Speaker 1: But the lawmakers only got out of the chamber just

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Speaker 1: you know, minutes before the rioters and intruded into this

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Speaker 1: House and Senate chambers. You know, James shell nutt twenty

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Speaker 1: seven years metro major k swat now lawyer at shell

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Speaker 1: nut Law from dot com. You know, there's a very

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Speaker 1: tried and true legal theory felony murder. When you're part

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Speaker 1: of a felony and a death occurs intentional or not.

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Speaker 1: You can be charged with felony murder. You know, I

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Speaker 1: taught the other day, James um I was talking about

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Speaker 1: the capital at hat. I didn't realize the hornet's nest

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Speaker 1: I was poking because immediately the person said, oh, they

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Speaker 1: were not Trump supporters. They were not Trump supporters. You

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Speaker 1: know what, whether they were or they were not, in

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Speaker 1: my mind, is irrelevant. Either you're Antifa, or you're a QAnon,

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Speaker 1: or you're a Trump supporter or a Biden supporter, it

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Or a Russian spy doesn't matter. This was

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Speaker 1: an attack on our capitol and deaths have resulted. James

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Speaker 1: shell Nutt, I don't care what crazy theory you have

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Speaker 1: for dressing up and attacking our capitol, doesn't matter. Why

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Speaker 1: you didn't now, I were with you one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: Let'm sitting here listening to this conversation with some very

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Speaker 1: intelligent people on this show that every single one of

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Speaker 1: them are superstars in their fields. Yeah. Fortunately, just at

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Speaker 1: just being the presence of a lot of the people

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Speaker 1: on this show, including you. But you'll sit back and

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Speaker 1: look and I look at it from a lawyer, and

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Speaker 1: I look at it as a form of detective and

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Speaker 1: I look at just as average everyday guy, and if

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Speaker 1: you look at this country, over the last two or

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Speaker 1: three years, we have become completely desensitized to violence, to destruction,

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Speaker 1: to rioting. We just went through one hell of a

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Speaker 1: year in twenty twenty with the coronavirus, with the George Floyd,

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Speaker 1: with the protests, and this has somehow become, I believe,

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Speaker 1: what some people consider to be normal to go in

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Speaker 1: and destroy, to just have insurrection, and insurrection has been

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Speaker 1: occurring continuously for the past two years. This is a

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Speaker 1: disgusting act by radicals and what we have got to

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Speaker 1: get away from shall not and they all need to

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Speaker 1: be identified and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

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Speaker 1: D Cold body, is this going away? Nancy Gray Crime

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Speaker 1: Stories signing off, goodbye friend,