1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Nol. They called 6 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer 7 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,599 Speaker 1: all mission control decades. Most importantly, you are you. You 8 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't 9 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: want you to know. If you are listening to this 10 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: and the day it comes out, then you are probably 11 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: aware that. As we're recording this Monday, October four, Mark 12 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: Zuckerberg lost seven billion dollars and counting. Facebook is down. 13 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: What's happened? Instagram are down. It's not a typical d 14 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: d O s just aribe to denial of service. It 15 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: is something much bigger, much nastier. I've been in contact 16 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: with some folks on the tech side. UH, just to 17 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 1: let you know some of the rumors, some of the 18 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: facts here. UM rumor number one a hack. Uh. New 19 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: York Times is currently saying that that's not that, that's 20 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: not likely, but it occurs while there's some other stuff 21 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: in the air. Facebook also UH just it just got 22 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: reported they had one point five billion people's user information 23 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 1: found for sale on a hacker forum. A whistleblower came 24 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: out talking about their role in h hate groups. And 25 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 1: we'll we'll also see, by the way, in this week 26 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: strange news how larger social media platforms navigate handling controversial stuff. 27 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: But these are all going to be uh. I think 28 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: there's an episode on this in the future. Uh. The 29 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: this may even be related to I don't know, in 30 00:01:56,240 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: the Pandora papers. But and just remember when face week 31 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: went down. For quite a while, all that Facebook officially 32 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: said was that there were some routine maintenance going on 33 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:09,519 Speaker 1: and something happened and it went down. But everything's okay, 34 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: nothing bad happened at the end of the day. I mean, 35 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: it's not like they're legally obligated to tell us anything, right, 36 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: I mean, they can spend whatever pr line they want, 37 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: and it's not like they're, you know, breaking the law. Yeah, 38 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: unless they're actively covering up a legal activity, they don't 39 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 1: have to tell people. But this is this is interesting 40 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:31,679 Speaker 1: because you may maybe slightly amused to find fellow conspiracy 41 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: realists that the current word is Facebook employees can't get 42 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: into the building, not even their badges are working. They also, 43 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: due to the Internet of Things, the people who were 44 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 1: already in the building when this happened aren't able to 45 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: get into some rooms, like they can't get into conference 46 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: rooms and stuff. People are literally locked out, whether or 47 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: not you work for Facebook. So I don't feel like 48 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: it's just you folks, right, we look in condolences to 49 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: all our Instagram junkies out there. We know how it is. 50 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 1: We're a sorry. It's got to be a tough day. 51 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: I mean, that's the thing, for sure. But also, you know, 52 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: so many people their whole livelihood is on Instagram. My 53 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 1: girlfriend sells so many of her you know, pieces of 54 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: stained glass art that she makes directly through Instagram. So 55 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: this is actively costing some people money. Oh yeah, for sure, 56 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: it's not just Mark. But with this in mind, a 57 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: lot of crazy things happened this weekend, and today we're 58 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: gonna talk a little bit about YouTube. We're going to 59 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: talk about some true crime revelations, and will maybe start 60 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: this week's strange News with a massive leak. It's something 61 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: a lot of people were asking this, but we were 62 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: talking about it with each other off air. It's something 63 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: called the Pandora Papers. So here's what happened. The largest 64 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: investigation in the history of journalism of this type just released. 65 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: Two point nine something terabytes of information have hit the 66 00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: public space. The Pandora Papers are a cat of around 67 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: eleven point nine million files from all sorts of companies 68 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: that are hired by very wealthy clients like World Leader 69 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: type wealthy clients to create offshore tax dodges, to help 70 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 1: hide dirty money, to help wash dirty money. We're talking 71 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: about stuff that involves everything from our own boy, Putin 72 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 1: and his his crew. Uh. It shows you how they 73 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: go about Puttin on the ritz. Uh financially. Uh, we're 74 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: talking about tax havens like Panama to buy South Dakota, 75 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:38,840 Speaker 1: Switzerland and the Cayman Islands. You heard that correctly, South Dakota. 76 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 1: Who knew it is a haven for international corruption. This 77 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: is bigger than the lesser known Paradise papers. This cash 78 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: of two point nine for terabytes of information is the 79 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: biggest leak of its sort ever in history, and it 80 00:04:56,080 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: goes from like Vietnam to Singapore, to Belize to the Hammas, 81 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: you name it. If you are familiar with the international 82 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: Shenanigans of dirty money, then it's here, and this is 83 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 1: like there's a who's who. King Abdullah the Second has 84 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 1: who knew he has a secret real estate empire that's 85 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: worth a hundred million. Vladmir Putin's alleged mistress also has 86 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: a hundred million, prompting one of us, I'll say who, 87 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 1: but one of us in our group threat to say, 88 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not super into like getting romantic with dictators, 89 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: but a hundred mills a hundred mill I was joking. 90 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 1: By the way, guys, that's not yet. Yeah, this this 91 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: thing is intense. It's, like you said, bigger than those 92 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: other major leagues that we remember. We did a whole 93 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 1: episode on Panama papers. You can find that right now, 94 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 1: but it is very similar. And it is I think 95 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,919 Speaker 1: anytime you get to unmask some of these front companies, 96 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 1: right these completely legal, like legally created front companies, that's 97 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: all above board, you're allowed to do that. But then 98 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: unmasking those and looking at the people behind the curtain, 99 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: it's ah. I mean, the revelations won't stop coming because 100 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: there's so much information here. Yes, and we need to 101 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: give a enormous shout out to the International Consortium of 102 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: Investigative Journalists that's the full name of what you'll here 103 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 1: refer to in the reporting, the I C I J. 104 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 1: They started releasing this information on October three of this year, 105 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 1: just a few days ago. And this stuff can We're 106 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: talking about stuff like documents, images, spreadsheets, emails from fourteen 107 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: different financial service companies. And when we're talking about money here, 108 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: we're talking up to an estimated three d and trillion 109 00:06:55,839 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: dollars US. And that doesn't include everything. That doesn't include 110 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 1: like real estate, art which is another great way to 111 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 1: launder money, and jewelry, which is also not a bad 112 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: way to launder money. Uh. The big issue is that, 113 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: you know, as we've said, and I think generally everybody 114 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: acknowledges this. Now, a lot of wealthy people don't pay taxes, 115 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: and it's not necessarily illegal. They just have the financial 116 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: wherewithal to hire experts who will spend the time hiding 117 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: the money in a way that the average person simply 118 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: cannot afford to do in either terms of time or money. 119 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: And now we have to start wondering what this leads to. 120 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: What next world governments have taken action. I know the 121 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: Panama papers, some of the more cynical among us sometimes 122 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: say well, no one did anything. What has changed, But 123 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: in their defense, different countries did take action and get 124 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: their appropriate tax revenues. So the same thing will probably 125 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: happen here. So I have a question is is this, like, 126 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: is this necessarily evidence of illegal activity or is this 127 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: just like a bad look, like a pr disaster for 128 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: many of these folks. Not in every case. It's not 129 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: illegal in every case, and that's because we are to 130 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: a degree the badger in the bag here. Is the 131 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: reason it's not illegal in every case is because we're 132 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: talking about many of the people who decide what is 133 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: or is not legal. Well, like, for example, the the 134 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: king of Jordan, King Abdullah of Jordan's obviously that country 135 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: has been the recipient of, you know, millions and millions 136 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: of dollars in American aid money all the while King 137 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: Abdullah the second has been funneling millions and millions of 138 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: dollars into the United States, or he's bought all of 139 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: these lavish properties in Miami and in southern California and 140 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: in places like that. So, while maybe not illegal, definitely 141 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 1: a bad look for a ruler who was, you know, 142 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: ruling over a country that was in desperate need of 143 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: financial assistance, right, Yeah, so there's a they're probably going 144 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:03,199 Speaker 1: to be some rough patterns of distribution and money movement 145 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: that we can find and categorize later. Uh, this is 146 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: just this is a ton of stuff to go through. 147 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: I want to thank everybody who reached out to me, 148 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: not on Facebook, not on Instagram today or what's happened 149 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: folks who have found a way to reach out to 150 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: me and asked a couple of interesting questions. One of 151 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 1: the ones that was my favorite, and I think I 152 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: reached out to you guys about as well, was the 153 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: idea that this could possibly be John McAfee's dead hand. 154 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: But um, for a couple of reasons, I don't. I 155 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 1: don't think that's the case. I'd be surprised. Recall that 156 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: he said he had thirty one plus terabytes of information 157 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 1: that he would release, and again this is two point 158 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: nine four terabytes. Still huge, still the biggest of its kind, 159 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: but not what McAfee was saying he was packing. Yeah, 160 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: and they're also reporting that there are fourteen separate whistleblowers, 161 00:09:55,880 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 1: essentially human beings that are providing this information. And you know, 162 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: I I doubt that that has anything to do with McAfee. 163 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: Just personally. Um, But I want to jump to something 164 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: you asked about Noble, like is it all illegal? And 165 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: we were talking about that, Ben, I think I think 166 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 1: Tony Blair's case, at least what's been revealed about him 167 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: and his wife and the purchasing of a house in 168 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: London is probably a pretty good way to examine the 169 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: I guess a legal side, but terrible look thing that's 170 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 1: going on here. I mean, I'll at least set us 171 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 1: up as talking about it. But the revelation about Tony 172 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 1: Blair and Sherry Blair was that they purchased a home, 173 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: but not the way you know, you or I or 174 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 1: anybody listening would purchase a home by going to a 175 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,559 Speaker 1: real estate agent or a bank that's got that owns 176 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: the home and buying it from them. They had to 177 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: deal with a and like an offshore company that owned 178 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: the house I guess, And instead of purchasing the house, 179 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: they purchased the company that owned the house, and by 180 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: doing that, it's essentially a tax loophole to where they 181 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,439 Speaker 1: don't have to then pay taxes on the house by 182 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: purchasing it because they purchased the company that already owns 183 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: it and now they own the company. It's just a 184 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:18,439 Speaker 1: weird thing, especially given Tony Blitter's past like fighting against 185 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: the exact same kind of tax loopholes totally and and 186 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: and just to double down one more time real quick 187 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: on the Jordan thing. I mean, the country of Jordan 188 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: is incredibly poor. They don't have like oil reserves and 189 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: like natural resources like you know, other areas in the 190 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:35,959 Speaker 1: Middle East they're surrounded by, but they are a strategic 191 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: kind of like diplomatic stronghold in terms of like you know, 192 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: negotiations and being this bellweather, uh, preventing conflict largely at 193 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: the behest of the United States, or at least you know, 194 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: with the help of the United States. They're kind of 195 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: doing us a solid. And therefore I'm not saying this 196 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: is a quid pro quote thing, but the United States 197 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: funneled one point five billion dollars of um AID into 198 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 1: that country. Uh. They are the third largest recipient of 199 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 1: American foreign assistance in the entire world, behind only Israel 200 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: and Afghanistan. So I mean, someone scratching someone's back, and 201 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: then to see that the president of that company that's 202 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: receiving all this money is spending you know, um hundred 203 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: million dollars in like posh real estate in the United States. 204 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: It's not a very good look for him to his people, 205 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: I would imagine, but also to that relationship. You know, 206 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: it just seems like there's something fishy going on. Oh yeah, 207 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: that's I mean, that's one of the distribution patterns. Right alone, 208 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: is alone, is put through or financial assistance go through, 209 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: goes through, and you have to ask yourself how much 210 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: of that actually goes to the people, right, instead of 211 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: going to someone who later through a front company or 212 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: through a charity that they own, right, they funnel that 213 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: money to the charity and now as part of the 214 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: operating expense and stuff, they're there are clever ways to 215 00:12:55,559 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 1: do it. Some of this stuff is almost certainly um 216 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: in conflict with the law. I'm sure there will be 217 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 1: some weasy term used to avoid saying illegal on the 218 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: part of the many many lawyers who are going to 219 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,839 Speaker 1: be doing very well for several years based on this. 220 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: I so this is I've been digging through this since 221 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 1: it broke, and one of the things that I think 222 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: we'd all like to do is to make this a 223 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 1: full episode. Uh, there's going to be reporting on this 224 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: coming out for weeks even when you're listening to this 225 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: next week, there's still going to be a lot of 226 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: news now as we know, Uh, there are a couple 227 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,839 Speaker 1: of things we need to bust. The Panama Papers. One 228 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: of the journalists involved did die in a car bombing attack, 229 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 1: but that was most likely due to that journalist corruption 230 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: investigation in Malta rather than particularly the Panama Papers. So 231 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: one group of guys you're gonna meet, A group of 232 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: people you're gonna meet is a very powerful lover that 233 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: would probably rather you not know their name. Uh there, 234 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: Baker Mackenzie. They kind of set up this global shadow 235 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: financial system, so you'll meet them down the road. You 236 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: can learn a little bit about them now. And but 237 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: before we go to commercial, I really love to hear 238 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: everybody's thoughts on this as we're as we researching, diving 239 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: into this episode one three three st d w y 240 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: t K Conspiracy at I Heart radio dot com. If 241 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: you want to learn more, you're gonna see a lot 242 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: of very good reporting on this, and you're gonna see 243 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: a lot of fluff pieces, and you're gonna see a 244 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: lot of what I would say, unfounded opinion presented as fact. 245 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: So spare yourself the trouble. Go to I C I 246 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: J dot org and you can see multiple reports on 247 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: specific aspects Pakistan, the Czech Republic, Sri Lanka of the UK, 248 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 1: and Jordan's in Russia. The list goes on and on 249 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: and on. This story is going to continue to develop. 250 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: Dare I say explode whether or not Facebook comes back. 251 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: Speaking of coming back, we'll be back in a moment, 252 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: and we're back by the way. Shout out to Uh, 253 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: there's a clubhouse group called Preservation of the Human Race, 254 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: I think, and there was a um, a British person 255 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: on there been that. I guess it was early on 256 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: the third whenever the first news was coming out. Uh, 257 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: they just mentioned that this was occurring, and I couldn't 258 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: believe it. No another one. It's like, is this like 259 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: Panama papers? They're like it was bigger, it was like 260 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: another one. But yeah, really really really crazy. That story 261 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: is crazy and I can't wait to do that episode. 262 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: So we're jumping down to a true crime story coming 263 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: out of France. Yeah, this one, this is very grim. 264 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: Heads up, if their kids listening, let's you know, pause, 265 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: here may be again anyone you don't want to hear 266 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: something a little grizzly, grizzly about a serial killer. Let's 267 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: pause right here or skip forward quite a bit, maybe 268 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: about ten fifteen minutes. All right, I'm gonna start with 269 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: an article from Forbes. Here is the title. Ex French 270 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: police officer identifies himself in suicide note as serial killer 271 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: who terrorized Paris. First of all, wow, from the headline, 272 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: Uh yeah. The second of all, it's this is intense. Okay, 273 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: So I'm going to read some of this verbatim. This 274 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: was posted on septembe and it is exactly what the 275 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: headline said. There were a series of very brutal attacks, 276 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: rapes and murders that occurred in Paris in the nineteen 277 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: eighties and nineteen nineties, and this former police offer this. 278 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: This police officer left a suicide note after he took 279 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: his own life and he fatally overdosed. And that occur 280 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:05,199 Speaker 1: this past Wednesday as we are recording this. And you know, 281 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 1: what's written in a suicide note may or may not 282 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 1: be true. So there was an investigation. They looked at 283 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,239 Speaker 1: his DNA and they were able to match it up 284 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: in several places and this guy, it turns out that 285 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: this guy was a serial rapist and murderer and he 286 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: was lagrell Yeah, lagrel Is is the title that was named. 287 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: It's standing or it's translated to the pockmarked man, and 288 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: it comes from one witness that saw uh what he 289 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 1: called a man with a pockmarked face inside an apartment 290 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:43,959 Speaker 1: where some murders occurred, to murders occurred. And it's very 291 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:45,719 Speaker 1: I mean, it's grizzly stuff. I don't want to go 292 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: too deep into a lot of this. You can, you 293 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: can look up all the grizzly details if you want to. 294 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: The big thing I want to talk to you guys 295 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 1: about is the concept that here's another police officer that 296 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: was using his power to lure victims and in many 297 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: of the cases at least according to a lot of 298 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 1: the reporting that's coming out everywhere in Newsweek, BBC. You 299 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 1: can find it everywhere all of the French papers. If 300 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 1: you use Googogle translate if you're not a French speaker, 301 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 1: you can read exactly what's being said and all the 302 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: information coming out. One of the primary places I went 303 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: to us Laperisan. That's where I went to read about this. 304 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: The Latin Times has a great article too, where it's 305 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: linking out to other articles. You can find all this stuff, 306 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: search it out on your own if you'd like. But 307 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 1: the concept that this guy would approach usually a woman 308 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: or almost always a woman, and he's he is a 309 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: police officer, and that's how he gets his victims alone, 310 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:52,199 Speaker 1: because when an officer approaches, or at least the the 311 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 1: pressure is to comply, So then he would get them 312 00:18:55,960 --> 00:19:00,880 Speaker 1: alone and do terrible things. So I'm feeling a connection 313 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 1: to maybe the Golden State killer guys, because it wasn't 314 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 1: wasn't he also law enforcement officer? Yeah, and this is, um, 315 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 1: this is something you know, we've got law enforcement in 316 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: the audience today. I think it's safe to say that, uh, 317 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:18,880 Speaker 1: the rest of law enforcement officials the world round are 318 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 1: grateful that some of these cases have been closed, but 319 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: also uh disgusted. Doesn't even doesn't even begin to catch it. Yeah, 320 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: you're right, absolutely every police officers are. I'm just saying that. 321 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like to be clear, like this is 322 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: this is a this is an uncommon thing, you know 323 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: what I mean? And this guy, from what I understand, 324 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: he's still only been identified in the press, is friend 325 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: sois V. But this guy knew that people were onto him. 326 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: On the way because he was only about fifty nine, right, 327 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's about fifty nine. It's weird like BBC 328 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: calls him friend suive or ov v E R O 329 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: v um, but yeah, he's he's first. Quall V is 330 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 1: the most common one. I think this is correct, though 331 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: if it's in BBC, I generally feel like it's vetted. 332 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 1: But I can it's in the British monarchy they're talking about. 333 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: Was the Golden State killer like an active police officer 334 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,239 Speaker 1: when he was? I mean I didn't, I didn't think so, 335 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: and I just wanted to mention this is I'm not 336 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: being silly, but there is. This was such an absurd 337 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: and terrifying idea that it was the fictional subject of 338 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 1: three slasher movies from the eighties, the Maniac Cop movies. 339 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: And I think the reason they chose that is because 340 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: it is so terrifying. You've got someone who's supposedly out 341 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 1: there to protect and serve, you know, murdering people. And 342 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: then of course we see police a little differently now 343 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 1: with some of the you know, shootings and all of that. 344 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: But I'm the idea of being in a position where 345 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: someone's looking to you, uh, you know for help and 346 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: then betraying that so utterly, um is just unconscionable and 347 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: absolutely horrifying. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. And I just 348 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: want to jump to exactly what he was. He was 349 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 1: a member of the Gendarmes. If I think we've talked 350 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 1: about that before. It's like the French military police police officers. Yeah, exactly, So, 351 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:19,360 Speaker 1: I mean, not only is this guy I'm imagining when 352 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: he approached he was very uh disarming, maybe we'll be 353 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: the word or um alarming. It's it's all, it's both things. 354 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 1: It's like he's this is you're being approached by respect 355 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: and like all of that occurring at once. I'm I'm 356 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: certain was used completely to his favor in into getting 357 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 1: what he was looking for. I'm sure he would get 358 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 1: someone to get into a vehicle with him for just 359 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: about any reason, you know, like I'm sorry, there's been 360 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: some there's been a disturbance, I'm gonna need you to 361 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: come with me. It's for your own safety, you know 362 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: that kind of talk. I just picture that. Also, police 363 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 1: brutality is real. It's not as restricted to the US. 364 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 1: So people are literally in fear of their lives, uh, 365 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 1: and not for nothing when encountering any law enforcement figure. Also, 366 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: this guy, I have a question for you, Matt, do 367 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,640 Speaker 1: you think this killer would have left his suicide note 368 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: if he had not been questioned last month along with 369 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: to be fair, seven hundred and fifty other uh law 370 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: enforcement individual law enforcement professionals in France. So let's just 371 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: give you some more of these details from the BBC article. Uh, 372 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: this person in question, fran sUAS body was discovered at 373 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 1: a flat, you know, an apartment, Uh that's called grow 374 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 1: de Roy And there's the suicide note was there and 375 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: his DNA, his DNA that was taken from that scene. 376 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 1: It matched several crime scenes. That or at least DNA 377 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 1: that was taken from several crime scenes. And uh, you know, 378 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 1: at least according to the officials when these reports were 379 00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 1: initially written, the letter was not confirmed, but they did, 380 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: uh they did say I think somebody to the effect 381 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: that impulses. The phrase previous impulses were in there a 382 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: couple other key phrases. Um, basically, I had done some 383 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 1: terrible things, but now I had quote gotten myself together. 384 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: But uh so like I've I've changed, right, but I 385 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,159 Speaker 1: still you know, raped and murdered a bunch of people. 386 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 1: And again I don't want to go to a ton 387 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 1: of the details here, but you can read in this 388 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: BBC article, in that Forbes article about specific cases and victims. 389 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: And at least there are some families out there who 390 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: know who killed their loved one, right, I mean, that's 391 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: like the best you can do to have some kind 392 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 1: of positive outcome with something like this. Yeah, and the 393 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 1: crimes that were attributed to this killer, the Pockmarks killer, 394 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: the last ones I believe were officially linked in so 395 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: for twenty seven years, this person was kind of in 396 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: a in a stage of dormancy unless there's other stuff 397 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: linked to them. So it's interesting because we'll probably never 398 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: know the internal motivations behind writing that suicide letter. But 399 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: just like how it's tempting to connect the dots between 400 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: this uh strange disappearance of Facebook and its social media empire, 401 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: you can connect the dots to any number of possible causes. There. 402 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 1: You can easily connect the dot that says this guy 403 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: took his own life and confessed because he saw the 404 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: writing on the wall, which was that justice which grinds 405 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 1: explete exceedingly slow, does grind exceedingly fine, and once they 406 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: had the DNA, it was over right, if you you 407 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: have to know at that point, yeah, at least for 408 00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: many of the crimes. But again, this is somebody who 409 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: was trained and took Oh god, I hate saying this. 410 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: He was very careful to not leave DNA behind at 411 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: many of the crime scenes. So you never know. There's 412 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: pressure right now on on the law enforcement there in 413 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 1: Paris and of the several different layers of it too. 414 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 1: Then to now take possible DNA samples from older unsolved 415 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 1: cases and check his DNA with them, just to see, 416 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: you have to you have to and with this, you know, Matt, 417 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:33,679 Speaker 1: it's interesting because we had talked about this previously in 418 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:39,120 Speaker 1: the Golden State killer case Joseph James D'Angelo. Um we 419 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: we had talked about this. He was apprehended in team, 420 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: which is strange that he seems a while ago now, 421 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: and we pretty clearly predicted. I don't think it was 422 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 1: a tough prediction that more cases like this would be 423 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 1: on the way. That's one of the uh, that's one 424 00:25:56,200 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: of the huge innovations in DNA tracing this And as 425 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 1: we said in that episode or in our conversations there, 426 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: you don't have to have the direct DNA link of 427 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:13,160 Speaker 1: a killer, a criminal, a murderer or sexual assaulter. All 428 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 1: you have to have is someone related closely enough to them, 429 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 1: and that's that's the way DNA works. So I I 430 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: still personally, like I said back in, I still personally 431 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: believe that there are more of these on the way, 432 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 1: and I believe it's a I believe it's a necessary 433 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 1: thing because as we know, you know, a repugnant, a 434 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 1: terrifying amount of rape kits end up sitting you know, 435 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 1: and and not getting checked or not getting process. Um. 436 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: We we received some wonderful correspondence from people associated with 437 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,439 Speaker 1: the process who broke down how these things can happen. 438 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: But there there are more crimes to be solved, and 439 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: with this I believe they will be solved or at 440 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: least hopefully some of them. And just when it comes 441 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: to numbers here at least according to the BBC, this 442 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: guy from Suavrov is supposedly linked to four murders and 443 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: six rapes, but it is believed that they are likely more, 444 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 1: but there is uncertainty there again, it's going to require 445 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: more testing, more more checking DNA against available evidence. He also, 446 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 1: we know attempted several things unsuccessfully, which is a strong 447 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,679 Speaker 1: indicator that they are more than those four cases. Al Right, 448 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: So now that everybody feels better about themselves in the world, 449 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,199 Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and then it's sort of 450 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: the service that true crime provides a lot of people 451 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: that thinks you kind of feel better about your life 452 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: that you're not being, you know, murdered by a police officer. Yeah, well, yes, 453 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,119 Speaker 1: I want to link this. I'm not linking it in 454 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 1: any way, but as we were, as we were talking 455 00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: about this, if anyone is paying attention to what's going 456 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: on in London right now, the death of Sarah Everard 457 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: and everything going on with that case is well worth 458 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:13,360 Speaker 1: your time to look into and just get some kind 459 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:19,360 Speaker 1: of takeaway from protecting yourself when you're anywhere alone or 460 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: even with somebody else if there is and I'm sorry, 461 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: just the takeaway is, and again nothing against any law 462 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: enforcement officer out there when I'm saying this, but be 463 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:33,160 Speaker 1: careful if there's a loan officer approaching you, because generally 464 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: that's not going to happen. The explicit warning of the 465 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: Unite of the Government of the United Kingdom, yes, be 466 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: worry of loan officers l O N E not l 467 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: O A N loan officers. Yeah. I don't think there are. 468 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: They're doing God's work. Sorry, I pack it down on people. 469 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 1: I think they send letters or call you. Yeah. Yeah, 470 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: but and if you don't answer, they'll start calling your 471 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 1: mom whoever the co signed. You know it's true. Sorry 472 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 1: for the sorry vitivity there that that was genuinely funny. Um, okay, 473 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 1: but yes, we will be back after a few words 474 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: from our sponsor, and we will move on to something 475 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 1: very different, and we're back more strange news. This is uh. 476 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: By the time you hear this is likely evolved to 477 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: a degree. But um, as of right now, it's something 478 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: that's been a long time coming. YouTube has officially banned 479 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:48,239 Speaker 1: anti vaccine content from the platform. Um. We know that 480 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: algorithms that YouTube uses have been you know, automatically taking 481 00:29:53,040 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: down some things related to COVID nineteen, vaccination conspiracies, conspiracy theories. Um, 482 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: but now they are extending this to all anti vax 483 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 1: type of talk. And this actually is is he can 484 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: have a pretty significant effect on some pretty popular creators 485 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 1: um or were content generators. Let's let's call it's the 486 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: entirely creative pursuit, but they are banning accounts that include 487 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: Joseph Marcola's channel, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. UM, who has 488 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: been linked and you know, very supportive of the Children's 489 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 1: Health Defense Fund and others. Um, it's interesting because this 490 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 1: isn't exactly knew. They've been trying to crack down on misinformation, 491 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 1: you know, using that algorithm, but there have been some 492 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: folks that have actually gotten hit by the algorithm that 493 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,479 Speaker 1: weren't even spreading anti vax content. They were just offering 494 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: you know, reporting or or like critical kind of dissection 495 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: you know from a from a media standpoint of this 496 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 1: type of misinformation. Certain words get flagged and the videos 497 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 1: get taken down, while some prominent anti vaccine accounts have 498 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: continued to to be putting videos out. So it's it's 499 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 1: been pretty interesting to follow. But UM, like I said, 500 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 1: this not only affects COVID nineteen vaccination videos, you know, 501 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 1: spreading misinformation propaganda, but also other vaccines like the flu 502 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 1: shot or the measles, mumps and Rebella, which a combo 503 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 1: vaccine that you know most kids get, and um, things 504 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 1: like human papuloma virus vaccines hpv UM you know, this 505 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: is a whole community. It's been very very controversial for 506 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 1: a long time, folks refusing to have their children vaccinated 507 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 1: and enacting as though being vaccinated in some way depriving 508 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 1: them of their you know freedom. Um, certainly very divisive 509 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: subject and one that I think people probably in your 510 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 1: own lives maybe come down on different sides of And 511 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 1: there's you know, certainly different shades of opinions about the 512 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 1: subject in terms of like how early do you get 513 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 1: your children vac excinated? Do you do it all at once? 514 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 1: You know, is it something that's better to spread out? 515 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: But then we start venturing into the more kind of 516 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 1: all or nothing approach where it's like all vaccines are 517 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 1: forms of mind control or in some ways, you know, 518 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: depriving people of their civil liberties. I think that's when 519 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 1: most of us can agree that things have gone uh 520 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: quite a bit too far, and when it gets politicized, 521 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 1: it can obviously be very dangerous. Um when we're literally 522 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 1: living in the midst of a pandemic. So they've already 523 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: demonetized anti vaccination content as far back as twenty nineteen 524 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 1: UM and in October of so they would remove videos 525 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: that pushed misinformation about the COVID nineteen vaccination in particular. UM. 526 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: But this I think probably is a is a you know, 527 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 1: a means of casting a wider net so that they 528 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 1: don't have to fine tune the algorithm to grab only, 529 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 1: you know, certain types of anti vax talk. Instead, it'll 530 00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: be easier, I think, for them to pull all of it. 531 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 1: But guys, I mean, I was certainly involved in the podcast, 532 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 1: but I was never really on the YouTube side of it. 533 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 1: But you guys have certainly seen stuff. I don't want 534 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 1: you to know, videos pulled or demonetized due to literally 535 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,959 Speaker 1: just reporting on things that could be construed as hate speech. 536 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: But you're just you know, discussing something UM or any 537 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 1: of these other things, and I could see, you know, 538 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 1: if we did a video on this subject, the algorithm 539 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 1: could certainly catch some of these keywords and potentially de 540 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 1: monetize or d platform the video. What are y'alls thoughts 541 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 1: on this? Is it too extreme? Is it anti free speech? 542 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 1: Or is it exactly what needs to happen in this 543 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 1: age where disinformation is just so easily spread on platforms 544 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,840 Speaker 1: like YouTube and you know other social media. YouTube has 545 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 1: put in a lot of work two attempt to automate 546 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: the D platform me where the demonetization at the very 547 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:57,959 Speaker 1: least of content that it feels could be particularly distasteful 548 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 1: or perhaps even more importantly, continent fuels could endanger people's lives. 549 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 1: And before this statement, they had already taken down a 550 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:11,319 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty thousands something anti vax things just in 551 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:15,840 Speaker 1: the last year alone. It's a UM exacerbation of of 552 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 1: a previous aim. But those questions you raise regarding what 553 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 1: is free speech or what should people uh be allowed 554 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 1: or not allowed to say in you know, the modern 555 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 1: public square, because let's be honest, the Internet is the 556 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 1: modern public square of this era of humanity. Uh, those 557 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,279 Speaker 1: questions sometimes have very clear cut answers, right, and then 558 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:44,799 Speaker 1: sometimes they don't have easy comforting answers. The problem with 559 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,399 Speaker 1: the automation is exactly as you describe. It can be 560 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 1: sometimes too broad of a brush. It can be a 561 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,319 Speaker 1: chainsaw where maybe scissors would be better for the job, 562 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 1: or a scalpel. I guess, as the saying goes, Um, 563 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 1: but Matt and I Yeah. In our you tube trenches days, 564 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 1: we had run into stuff that accelerated UM accelerated DP 565 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 1: platform in or demonetization simply because of keywords or simply 566 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,920 Speaker 1: because of a specific lip Like one thing that surprised 567 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 1: me is writing and presenting a guide to how people 568 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 1: get away with murder, and that was not one of 569 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 1: the first ones to get d platforms. Um. There's also 570 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: a financialness incentive here because if you can did further 571 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 1: disincentivize people are spreading a message you don't like, whatever 572 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,840 Speaker 1: it is, then they are going to be rational actors 573 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 1: and they are going to make different videos if they 574 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,240 Speaker 1: depend on YouTube for income in the future. A dirty 575 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 1: secret of YouTube, by the way, is that they google 576 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 1: in alphabet get a lot of money off the gross 577 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 1: of revenue for any video because they are the only 578 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 1: game in town. So that's why I say for their 579 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 1: disincentivizing overall, if it's saving people's lives, is it not 580 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 1: a good thing. The problem is with this kind of approach, 581 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:14,280 Speaker 1: it's going to further I don't want to say radicalize, 582 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 1: but people I know where you're heading with this. Yeah, 583 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 1: people aren't gonna say YouTube shut this down because it's dangerous. 584 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 1: They're going especially if they're on the fence about vaccination, 585 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 1: They're going to say there's something they don't want you 586 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: to know it, you know we did. I just want 587 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 1: to jump in really quickly here and talk about this 588 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 1: November two thousand ten video we posted called stuff they 589 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,279 Speaker 1: Don't want you to Know Vaccinations and it's still up, 590 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:46,319 Speaker 1: so it's still functioning. That's good. We've got a COVID 591 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 1: episode that came out not long ago on our conspiracy 592 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,919 Speaker 1: stuff channel up. Yeah, it's it's got COVID in the name. 593 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,719 Speaker 1: Monetization got turned off on that one, but they didn't 594 00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:01,960 Speaker 1: take Yeah, but that's see word on. I am noticing 595 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,799 Speaker 1: that most of the videos in this format, the one 596 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 1: where it's just us on zoom talking, are all monetized. 597 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:13,239 Speaker 1: Still they're not making much money, but they're all monetized. 598 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,399 Speaker 1: But if you you know covid, oh my god, the 599 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 1: next video that has COVID in the name demonetized. Yeah, 600 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 1: that's the people aren't manually watching these and switching them off, 601 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,239 Speaker 1: not even not even back then. Well, just just really quick, 602 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 1: just to read from their policy, they posted this vaccine 603 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:34,320 Speaker 1: misinformation policy. YouTube doesn't allow content that poses a serious 604 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 1: risk of egregious harm by spreading medical misinformation about currently 605 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 1: administered vaccines that are approved and confirmed to be safe 606 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 1: and effective by local health authorities and by the World 607 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,280 Speaker 1: Health Organization. This is limited to content that contradicts local 608 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 1: health authorities or the who's guidance on vaccine safety, efficacy 609 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:56,640 Speaker 1: and ingredients. So I'm wondering if they waited until now, 610 00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,279 Speaker 1: because only just now I believe has the w h 611 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 1: O or H sorry, has the f d A fully 612 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 1: vetted and tested the Fiser vaccine. Isn't that right? Well, okay, 613 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,000 Speaker 1: fair enough to the few people were maybe concerned about here, 614 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:13,960 Speaker 1: But I do want to point out they do have 615 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,880 Speaker 1: a section that sort of covers what should have covered 616 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:23,800 Speaker 1: our videos and your videos educational, scientific, artistic, or testimonial content, 617 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,359 Speaker 1: YouTube mail out content that violates the misinformation policies noted 618 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 1: on this page. If that content includes additional context in 619 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 1: the video, audio title, or description, this is not a 620 00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 1: free pass to promote miss misinformation. Additional context may include 621 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,680 Speaker 1: countervailing views from local health authorities or medical experts. We 622 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 1: may also make exceptions if the purpose of the content 623 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:48,920 Speaker 1: is to condemn, dispute, or satirize misinformation that violates our policies. 624 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 1: We may also make exceptions for content showing an open 625 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,799 Speaker 1: public forum like a protest or public hearing, provided the 626 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,400 Speaker 1: content does not aim to promote misinformation that violates our policies. 627 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,839 Speaker 1: But again, your brush argument, Ben is a big part 628 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,480 Speaker 1: of this. It's hard to separate these things, you know, 629 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:09,960 Speaker 1: from the genuine article. Sometimes uh yeah, there's something really 630 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:14,440 Speaker 1: important that a wish is getting more uh coverage about 631 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:19,240 Speaker 1: this issue, and it's this. There's clear proof that a 632 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:23,319 Speaker 1: lot of the more extreme things, a lot of the 633 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:27,279 Speaker 1: more extreme memes or videos or little factoids that are 634 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:31,640 Speaker 1: floating about on the Internet, especially regard to anti vaccination stuff, 635 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:37,080 Speaker 1: are themselves purposely produced disinformation from foreign powers waging a 636 00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:42,080 Speaker 1: symmetric information warfare. This is not a theory. It's not 637 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,480 Speaker 1: something that's just like, oh, let's get high in our 638 00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,640 Speaker 1: dorm room and talk about it. This is actually happening. 639 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,640 Speaker 1: There's money behind it, and that does pose a threat 640 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,640 Speaker 1: because that means that at the very least the people 641 00:39:55,760 --> 00:40:00,359 Speaker 1: are spreading that information, they themselves don't believe it. They 642 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,840 Speaker 1: think that people who do swallow it, hook line and 643 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:07,359 Speaker 1: sinker are marks, are rubes, and they have met with 644 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,759 Speaker 1: a measure of success in this regard. Now, we have 645 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:14,920 Speaker 1: had great conversations with many of our fellow conspiracy realists 646 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:20,120 Speaker 1: about multiple angles of this. You know, the troubled history 647 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,960 Speaker 1: of bad actors in the world of vaccinations, shout out 648 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,680 Speaker 1: Tuskegee blah blah blah. But the truth is, you know, 649 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,759 Speaker 1: the word factoid means something that sounds true, but it's 650 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:33,399 Speaker 1: very much not. Right now, you used it correctly just now, 651 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,000 Speaker 1: And I was really going to applaud you on that, 652 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,800 Speaker 1: because people use it as like almost like a listical, 653 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,920 Speaker 1: like a factoid is like a nugget, like a fact nugget. 654 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,359 Speaker 1: But in fact, I think I want to point out 655 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,080 Speaker 1: an applaud you. I think that's really important to point 656 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,839 Speaker 1: out that that word is often misused. Well, it's and 657 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,919 Speaker 1: also this this kind of information is misused because if 658 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:57,160 Speaker 1: you it's one thing I would argue, if someone is 659 00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:03,520 Speaker 1: genuinely saying, and they're sincerely saying, I am personally worried 660 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:07,319 Speaker 1: about vaccination, why are you personally worried about that in 661 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:11,080 Speaker 1: general or in a specific situation. Well, it's specific situation 662 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,759 Speaker 1: for these reasons A, B all the way to Z, etcetera. 663 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:19,600 Speaker 1: That's different from thinking I am going to pull an 664 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,840 Speaker 1: op on someone or I'm gonna pull an op on 665 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,759 Speaker 1: a country. You know what I mean, that's that's not 666 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,120 Speaker 1: the same thing. And I'm sure the good folks that 667 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:32,479 Speaker 1: YouTube are are very well aware of this and they're 668 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:36,400 Speaker 1: they're thinking through this. But ultimately, you know, like you said, no, 669 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:40,560 Speaker 1: and I think we can all agree that the issue 670 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,719 Speaker 1: with this in the future is that they may end 671 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:48,960 Speaker 1: up accidentally um accelerating the problem that they are attempting 672 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,279 Speaker 1: to address, because now that knowledge may be seen as 673 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,360 Speaker 1: purposely suppressed or it may be seen as genuine knowledge, 674 00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,879 Speaker 1: and that you know, that's that it's just gonna make 675 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,120 Speaker 1: people doubled down. That's exactly what's gonna happen. Instead of 676 00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,960 Speaker 1: putting out something that says like, hey, here, even if 677 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,719 Speaker 1: you makeing a official statement, instead of putting something that's 678 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,560 Speaker 1: like an added on part of a video that comes 679 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,560 Speaker 1: on like a pre roll advertisement that says, hey, it's 680 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:21,960 Speaker 1: us YouTube. Here's the thing, and you should know that 681 00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:27,600 Speaker 1: the like you should know that uh, genuine Happy Eagle 682 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:32,080 Speaker 1: News is is a front group for these folks out 683 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:36,040 Speaker 1: in St. Petersburg and they want you to believe the 684 00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,840 Speaker 1: following stuff. We're keeping it up, but you should know 685 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,839 Speaker 1: what's happening. Like, I don't know if that approach work either. 686 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,080 Speaker 1: But it's just gonna be that's how people's brains work. 687 00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,120 Speaker 1: The human brain is going to say this means I 688 00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,279 Speaker 1: was right the whole time, and now maybe some of 689 00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,480 Speaker 1: those other things that I once thought were too extreme 690 00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,880 Speaker 1: are true because someone's covering this up. And we're not 691 00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,400 Speaker 1: saying either of those cases are true. We're just saying, like, 692 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:03,680 Speaker 1: that's that's day one stuff, buddy. As they said in Workaholics, 693 00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,920 Speaker 1: do you remember work Coholics? I do, Matt, what do 694 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,080 Speaker 1: you think, man? Like as far as the free speech angle, 695 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,200 Speaker 1: or as far as like depending on an algorithm to 696 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,839 Speaker 1: censor things for us, like have we have we hit 697 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,120 Speaker 1: like a high water mark of like being so concerned 698 00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,440 Speaker 1: about people's ability to separate fact from fiction that we 699 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,479 Speaker 1: have to like kind of police this information for them. Well, 700 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,359 Speaker 1: it stinks. There's a part of me that feels like 701 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,360 Speaker 1: we as a species kind of abused our free speech privileges, 702 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,200 Speaker 1: Like we're in a classroom and we just did something 703 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:40,440 Speaker 1: we're using it to freely, like a bathroom pass or something. Um. 704 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:45,160 Speaker 1: But at the same time, I a bigger part of 705 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:49,279 Speaker 1: me thinks that if if we stifle everyone's ability to 706 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:54,000 Speaker 1: think and have discussions and you know, say that stuff 707 00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:59,640 Speaker 1: out loud, then we're way worse off. Yeah that's the problem. No, 708 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:01,799 Speaker 1: it's you make a good point, mad, But it's also 709 00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,719 Speaker 1: in the past we could depend on things like journalistic 710 00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,160 Speaker 1: codes of ethics or things that sort of were like 711 00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:12,160 Speaker 1: the ground rules, right, like the rules of engagement, you know, 712 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,440 Speaker 1: saying with like in war where we used to have 713 00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,399 Speaker 1: like you know, this is the one side they wear 714 00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,239 Speaker 1: these uniforms, and this is the other side they wear 715 00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,200 Speaker 1: these and if you throw up a white flag then 716 00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,160 Speaker 1: you're supposed to both abide by that and kind of 717 00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,719 Speaker 1: like do you know, like back down. But now with 718 00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,920 Speaker 1: the Internet and you're not knowing which uniform people are 719 00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,440 Speaker 1: wearing and flags are all mainly just red. Now, um, 720 00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,719 Speaker 1: it's really hard for people to separate that stuff. So 721 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,120 Speaker 1: it's like you need someone to kind of do it 722 00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,520 Speaker 1: for you. But yeah, we teach critical thinking on this show, 723 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,959 Speaker 1: or preach it anyway, maybe not preach, but it's something 724 00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,919 Speaker 1: that we feel very strongly about. But some people either 725 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,200 Speaker 1: don't have the time or the wherewithal uh to exercise 726 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,040 Speaker 1: that critical thinking, and so you almost kind of like 727 00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,359 Speaker 1: when this stuff actually hurts people, you kind of gotta 728 00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,400 Speaker 1: roll back on some of these liberties a little bit. 729 00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:58,960 Speaker 1: I don't know now, I feel like it sounds like 730 00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,640 Speaker 1: a fascist I just don't know. But we're talking about it, right, 731 00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,719 Speaker 1: and that's the whole point. We're we're putting these ideas out. 732 00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:09,680 Speaker 1: That's what matters. Hopefully this video doesn't get demonetized, which, 733 00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:11,319 Speaker 1: by the way, to call back to what you said 734 00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,719 Speaker 1: Ben getting Away with murder, where we describe how to 735 00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,920 Speaker 1: get away with murder completely fine, solid on that too. 736 00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,160 Speaker 1: Don't do it. I have to say that whenever that 737 00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:26,520 Speaker 1: comes up in conversation, it is a clear walkthrough on 738 00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,880 Speaker 1: how to get away. There are a couple updates I 739 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,160 Speaker 1: wanted to do um regarding DNA. There's some ways around that, 740 00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:36,600 Speaker 1: but don't do it. There's never a situation where that 741 00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:40,720 Speaker 1: is something that you should consider doing. But this this also, 742 00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,440 Speaker 1: this point stands you know again, like I I would 743 00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:49,520 Speaker 1: say that, I wish more people would acknowledge that even 744 00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:53,359 Speaker 1: in those days, pre Internet, days of journalistic integrity, it's 745 00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:57,240 Speaker 1: very much wasn't as a real thing. Intelligence agencies still 746 00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:01,680 Speaker 1: had an enormous amount of control over the media. They 747 00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,160 Speaker 1: will tell you, like the CIA will tell the New 748 00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,319 Speaker 1: York Times what to say, that's like a given. So 749 00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:11,080 Speaker 1: it's the the idea of free speech as it is 750 00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:16,680 Speaker 1: often thought of in the modern West is somewhat mythologized 751 00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,960 Speaker 1: in practice, like the actual practice of it. Freedom of 752 00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:24,400 Speaker 1: speech does not mean freedom of consequences, as they say. 753 00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:28,680 Speaker 1: But also there are a lot of unseen barriers to 754 00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,640 Speaker 1: to reporting. And that's why I have such immense respect 755 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,520 Speaker 1: for investigative journalists. And again, we know there's not a 756 00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,799 Speaker 1: perfect answer, but there's no way around the fact that 757 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:43,440 Speaker 1: YouTube is a primary vehicle of communication for people what 758 00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:47,080 Speaker 1: they say. Whether you agree with it or not, it 759 00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,640 Speaker 1: does go. It's the only show in town. You know, Um, 760 00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,719 Speaker 1: the next thing up would be the next way up 761 00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,200 Speaker 1: for it. It's its own kind of communication. You know. 762 00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,919 Speaker 1: TikTok is a vast medium of communication now, but it's 763 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:07,359 Speaker 1: not it's not the same thing as YouTube. And let's 764 00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,480 Speaker 1: also not forget that those codes of ethics we talked about, 765 00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,560 Speaker 1: they're self imposed for the most part, you know what 766 00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,200 Speaker 1: I mean. It's like this is a standard that I 767 00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:19,480 Speaker 1: hold myself to, or that this organization holds itself to. Um, 768 00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:23,800 Speaker 1: it's not like you can arrest somebody for reporting this 769 00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,520 Speaker 1: information unless you're they're actively inciting a riot or something, 770 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,400 Speaker 1: and even that's hard to prove. We couldn't approve that 771 00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,879 Speaker 1: the president did that with the insurrection when he kind 772 00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,200 Speaker 1: of went up and on the podium and said, follow me, 773 00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,799 Speaker 1: take to the streets, you know all that stuff. They 774 00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,040 Speaker 1: couldn't prove that he incited a riot. Or maybe we 775 00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,560 Speaker 1: haven't all seen the endgame of that quite yet, but 776 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,200 Speaker 1: we know how hard it is to do that, That's 777 00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,840 Speaker 1: all I'm saying. So it's not much of a surprise 778 00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:50,240 Speaker 1: that those self enforced and self imposed codes of ethics 779 00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,120 Speaker 1: and codes of integrity or whatever are kind of falling 780 00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,759 Speaker 1: by the wayside As things get more democratized, and you know, 781 00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,440 Speaker 1: and more and more people become armed chair reporters and 782 00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:02,640 Speaker 1: armchair pundits and armed air influencers, you know, or whatever 783 00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,200 Speaker 1: the case is. You know, um people that that that 784 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,480 Speaker 1: are out there telling people how to live at some people, 785 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,120 Speaker 1: if they have enough charisma, they make a good case 786 00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,680 Speaker 1: to certain people and they don't bother vetting. Also, you 787 00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:18,440 Speaker 1: know when you should be really worried, folks, is when 788 00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,759 Speaker 1: social media or YouTube or Reddit or what have you 789 00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:27,200 Speaker 1: start suppressing conversations about things like the Pandora papers or 790 00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,960 Speaker 1: when when you see when you see what or what 791 00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,879 Speaker 1: are called algorithm burials, or at least that's what I've 792 00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,759 Speaker 1: decided to call them now. Because if you want to 793 00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,440 Speaker 1: remove attention from something, if you really want people not 794 00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,320 Speaker 1: to talk about it, then you don't make a public statement. 795 00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,720 Speaker 1: You don't say, hey, we're pulling all this stuff on purpose. 796 00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,120 Speaker 1: You just you just stop showing it to folks, and 797 00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:53,200 Speaker 1: when they search, they can't find stuff that is genuinely 798 00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,520 Speaker 1: the best way to get rid of stuff. So then 799 00:48:55,760 --> 00:49:00,480 Speaker 1: the other question becomes, why isn't this why the decision 800 00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,719 Speaker 1: to go public and say, hey, we're doing this. Is 801 00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:07,040 Speaker 1: it based as you said, on the recent announcements from 802 00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:11,759 Speaker 1: international medical organizations? I think that's likely? Is it? What 803 00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,120 Speaker 1: else is it based on? I'd love to hear our 804 00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,520 Speaker 1: fellow conspiracy realists take on this, because I love people 805 00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,440 Speaker 1: have been with us for a long time. UM, I 806 00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,919 Speaker 1: would love to hear what you think. Do you think 807 00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,400 Speaker 1: we're right when we say that? Folks will tend to 808 00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:29,320 Speaker 1: react adversely to this, perhaps even doubling down or becoming 809 00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,680 Speaker 1: more extremist in their views. My money's on yes, that's 810 00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,200 Speaker 1: where I'm putting that's where I'm putting books well, and 811 00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,040 Speaker 1: also that's just not forget that that the end of 812 00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,680 Speaker 1: the day, YouTube is a business, and they probably businesses 813 00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:42,440 Speaker 1: don't tend to react or change their policies, and not 814 00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,799 Speaker 1: for purely altruistic reasons. Usually happens when they start feeling 815 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:47,759 Speaker 1: like they're gonna lose some money from some advertisers who 816 00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,200 Speaker 1: don't want to be associated with a platform. Then let's 817 00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,600 Speaker 1: that kind of content through shout out to only fans 818 00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:58,760 Speaker 1: who learned their lesson real fast. Yes yeah, so yes, yes, 819 00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,960 Speaker 1: only fans. I don't know why. It's still like this 820 00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,520 Speaker 1: is a diverse I don't want to derail this. But 821 00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:09,400 Speaker 1: there's this you guys remember the film Half Baked? Sure, yeah, okay, 822 00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,719 Speaker 1: So there was this line and a Half Baked at 823 00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,040 Speaker 1: the very towards the very end that has just sort 824 00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,480 Speaker 1: of haunted me and I don't understand it, and I 825 00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:21,040 Speaker 1: don't know what his improvised, but it plays in my 826 00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:25,279 Speaker 1: head constantly. There's, uh, he's the main bad guy. He's 827 00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,440 Speaker 1: gonna kill one of the one of the dudes from 828 00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,879 Speaker 1: the crew and he's like or all blow you, blah 829 00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,799 Speaker 1: blah blah, friend away, and then the guy's getting he's 830 00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:35,600 Speaker 1: like held in the neck, in the neck grabb and 831 00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,319 Speaker 1: he goes, hey, I'm Cuban B. And then the bad guy, 832 00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,920 Speaker 1: without missing a beach, just goes, oh, yes, Cuban B. 833 00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:45,520 Speaker 1: I don't know what that means. Is that like, I 834 00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,160 Speaker 1: don't know it's it's I think it's just him. Misunderstanding 835 00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:53,040 Speaker 1: is amazing catchphrase. It is so hard to have in folks. 836 00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:56,920 Speaker 1: Matt Nolan, I UM don't hang out in person as 837 00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,120 Speaker 1: much as we'd like to, but we are actually friends 838 00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,880 Speaker 1: and we do hang we do kick it um, and 839 00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:03,920 Speaker 1: we enjoy each other's company. And I just want to 840 00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,640 Speaker 1: confess to you guys. Sometimes in conversations, I don't know why, 841 00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,920 Speaker 1: I have to like bite down the impulse to respond. 842 00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,640 Speaker 1: And we're having good conversations. We're having in depth, nuanced 843 00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,919 Speaker 1: intellectual conversations. I have to stop myself from going yes, 844 00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:27,200 Speaker 1: scuban By. Please please, please don't let me think nothing 845 00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:30,279 Speaker 1: of it. Ben, Please, now that you've preptics for this, 846 00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,799 Speaker 1: I really want to see this happen, um, you know 847 00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:38,280 Speaker 1: when we least expect it for sure, Please please let 848 00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,399 Speaker 1: and uh, yeah, well hey guess what, Yeah, it's five 849 00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:47,319 Speaker 1: pm t Eastern time, and Facebook is still down. And 850 00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:52,120 Speaker 1: Facebook is still down checking, So go. Let us know 851 00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:56,000 Speaker 1: what's on your mind about the role YouTube should or 852 00:51:56,040 --> 00:52:00,799 Speaker 1: should not play, or the approaches things of that magnitude 853 00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,360 Speaker 1: should or should not take. Let us know if you 854 00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,520 Speaker 1: think there will be any substantive, meaningful change due to 855 00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,840 Speaker 1: the release of the Pandora papers. Let us know what 856 00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:10,919 Speaker 1: else you think is in there. Let us know what 857 00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:14,879 Speaker 1: you especially if you're located in France yourself. Let us 858 00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:18,799 Speaker 1: know what the reaction on the ground to the revelations 859 00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:22,560 Speaker 1: about the serial killer are. You can tell us about 860 00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:28,320 Speaker 1: it on Facebook maybe if Facebook is there, But don't worry. 861 00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,600 Speaker 1: If Facebook never comes back, you don't have to worry 862 00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,480 Speaker 1: a bit. You can still talk to that Ben. Don't 863 00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:39,840 Speaker 1: say that you find us on Instagram. If Instagram never 864 00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,759 Speaker 1: comes back, you can. You can still talk to us, 865 00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,040 Speaker 1: and we cannot wait to hear from you. Why not 866 00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:49,680 Speaker 1: give us a ring on our good old fashioned telephone number. 867 00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,680 Speaker 1: The number is one eight three three std w y 868 00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:56,080 Speaker 1: t K. It's a voicemail system. You've got three minutes 869 00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,719 Speaker 1: say anything you want to, whatever you can conceive of, 870 00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:03,000 Speaker 1: and to leave yourself a cool nickname that would be wonderful, 871 00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,640 Speaker 1: just to keep the anonymity a little higher than normal, 872 00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,040 Speaker 1: and we've really looked forward to hearing from you. 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