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Speaker 2: Welcome to fourth U South Man. It's been it's been amazing.

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Speaker 2: What three weeks, four and four weeks? Four weeks? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I feel like it felt like we've been here for

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Speaker 2: we have going on right right now, we have a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a twenty nineteen Pro Bowl selection.

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Speaker 2: He holds the NFC championship record.

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Speaker 3: Two hundred and fifty ninety fifty yards most second, most

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Speaker 2: And most of all time playoffs. He's up there, will

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Speaker 2: playoff Lenny.

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Speaker 3: He's a skateboarder, surfer, surfer, dad, fisher man.

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Speaker 2: What can he do?

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Speaker 3: May y'all help us by welcoming our guest raheem Mozart

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Speaker 1: I like this, man, I like to set up.

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Speaker 2: Welcome walk forth this South. How you been man, I've.

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Speaker 1: Been solid, been good playing yeah, the off season, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, just just trying to catch up on daddy duties,

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Speaker 4: as you know, and just just hang out and try

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Speaker 4: to do as much as I can business wise. Just

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Speaker 4: trying to make some moves, you know, and this off

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Speaker 4: the field stuff.

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Speaker 2: So everything, daddy, dude, this, how many you have?

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Speaker 1: I got four right now. We just announced that we're

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Speaker 1: having our fits.

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Speaker 3: Congratulations, man, get off that woman.

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Speaker 4: Man, it's hard to you know, no, it's honestly, it's

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Speaker 4: the best though.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: I got my three boys and then I just had

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Speaker 4: my baby girl this past July, and I feel like

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Speaker 4: when you have I mean, if you have daughters, you know,

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Speaker 4: it's a whole different mentality. You know, with my boys,

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Speaker 4: I'm like roughing them up and you know, teaching them,

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Speaker 1: But now with my daughter's like, hey, come here, baby girl.

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Speaker 4: Like different type of love. Yeah, it's different. It's a

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Speaker 4: different type. I mean, you love all your kids the same.

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Speaker 1: But it's like the girl brings out the difference in yourself.

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Speaker 3: I was the same way my first daughter was. My

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Speaker 3: firstborn was was my girl as well, and it was

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Speaker 3: the same thing. And I heard stories about it, like, man,

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Speaker 3: I'm telling you that girl gonna have your heart. And

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Speaker 3: before you know it, Man, I'm listening to unicorns, you know,

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Speaker 3: Then my boy came in, you know, like you say,

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Speaker 2: Us street being father's right. I know, Jawas have two,

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Speaker 2: you have five.

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Speaker 1: I have five.

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Speaker 2: Can you tell me? Because I know for me my

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Speaker 2: I had my kids like I need. I needed my

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Speaker 2: tell me which one of your kids made a pivotal

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Speaker 4: Truthfully, I feel like all of them have in not

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Speaker 4: just got back from a gruesome injury. I broke my arm,

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Speaker 1: All this and radio uh the all all A? What

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So I ended up breaking it twenty eighteen

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Speaker 4: twenty nineteen season, that was the year when I was

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Speaker 4: I felt like I started my career at that moment

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Speaker 4: I got to be there he was All three of

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Speaker 4: But you know that that really helped me that year

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Speaker 4: and I was just like, you know, I couldn't.

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Speaker 3: It must have been stressful for you, like try to.

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Speaker 4: It was stressful just because I couldn't help. I couldn't

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Speaker 4: Like I felt like I was helpless, you know, I couldn't.

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Speaker 4: Like being a man, you know, had a hole down

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Speaker 4: But she had to hold the fort down with the

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Speaker 4: I also looked at it as look, it was a humbling.

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Speaker 1: Experience and taught me a lesson.

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Speaker 2: Definitely.

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Speaker 3: So no, man, that's what's up.

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Speaker 1: That's up.

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Speaker 3: Shout out to what's that John Lynch, John Lynch, Right,

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Speaker 3: John Lynch and the owner of San Francisco man the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they definitely did. You can always look out for you.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, it was worth it. Man, that's awesome about that.

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Speaker 3: You spoke about your son Gunner, Yeah, taking his first

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Speaker 3: the NFC Championship. Definitely, two hundred and twenty yards three

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Speaker 3: tubs doing that game. At what point did it like

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Speaker 3: hit you that, like yo, like because I watched the game.

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Speaker 3: So I watched the game and I remember every time

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Speaker 3: I wanted to ask you did you black out it?

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Speaker 3: Because I could see this flip get switched. You know

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Speaker 3: like what that felt like.

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Speaker 4: It was like, you know, going into that game, man,

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Speaker 1: Out to te t cole and T Rock.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and so I knew the game plan obviously, and

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Speaker 4: And yeah, I went into that game, scored the first touchdown,

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Speaker 1: That was just history.

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Speaker 4: Yeahs out when you're getting that mold, when you're get

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Speaker 3: Man, it was excited. It was exciting to see.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: I think that was also Aaron Rodgers' last game in

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Speaker 1: Bro, not me, And we're actually good buddies.

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Speaker 4: He he comes down here, we hang out, me and him,

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Speaker 4: Jordan Poyer, you know, we're all.

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Speaker 4: you took me out winning another super Bowl, you know,

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Speaker 1: You got to listen.

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Speaker 2: I know, you know they call me playoff Lenny, you know,

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Speaker 2: but you should have been you should have been playoff.

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Speaker 2: He right, definitely with the numbers. You know, you was

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Speaker 2: poor Bowl selection two nineteen NFC championship record. Yeah, I don't,

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Speaker 4: Yeah no, I mean you know, when like I was

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Speaker 1: End of the game, and then you know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: this guy is Playoff Lenny for sure. You know I'm

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Speaker 4: That's yeah nah, I mean, you know, once you're get that,

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Speaker 4: once you get that itch, bro, it's like anything though,

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Speaker 4: you find find out what's working.

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Speaker 1: You know, you're like, oh yeah, we got to keep it,

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Speaker 2: So giving the fans the via is a perspective, right,

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Speaker 2: you're not starting right, and how.

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Speaker 3: Do you keep dial then?

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: I've had the experience of being a number two, and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a mind set what you just

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Speaker 3: to be ready. Is that something that was always instilled

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Speaker 4: I mean even growing up, you know, I felt like

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Speaker 4: At some point, you should find your getaway so that

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Speaker 4: I felt like Florida was just not ideal for me

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Speaker 4: Just listen when you when you're in good football states,

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Speaker 2: Great, that's great, great great football. Hold good great football.

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Speaker 3: I had this argument last time, finally got a Florida

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Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, I saw what they

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Speaker 1: I'm having her back, you know. And that's why we

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Speaker 2: Uh, there was an incident that happened when you were

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Speaker 2: you go into more depth about that? You know, I

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Speaker 4: Was just giving him those those two those and everything

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Speaker 4: But so flying back to Chicago, you know, I'm getting

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Speaker 1: You know, my homeboy. You meet one of my homeboys,

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Speaker 4: Like I know you were you the mainly some men

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Speaker 4: and was like you ain't going nowhere, like you staying

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00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:18,679
Speaker 4: here with me.

442
00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:20,240
Speaker 2: And that's and that's a good thing. You know, I

443
00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:23,000
Speaker 2: think off emotion. You know a lot of us in

444
00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:27,679
Speaker 2: emotional states in our life. You know, you you probably

445
00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:29,920
Speaker 2: wouldn't be here, yeah exactly, you know, because that that's

446
00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,360
Speaker 2: your blood, that's your little brother. Yeah, you know. And

447
00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,280
Speaker 2: uh by me being the older brother, you know, I

448
00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:40,280
Speaker 2: understand the protection, the protection also the responsibility you have

449
00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:43,360
Speaker 2: towards him, right. You try to we try to lead,

450
00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,120
Speaker 2: try to lead our our younger brothers the entire way.

451
00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,040
Speaker 2: That's that's the biggest thing for me. My brother was

452
00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,440
Speaker 2: always woman. That's why I never smoked a drink, right,

453
00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,960
Speaker 2: So how can I tell him not to smoke or

454
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:57,120
Speaker 2: drink when I'm doing it right? And I'm his role model,

455
00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,760
Speaker 2: right right. So I'm glad your coach did that because

456
00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:04,240
Speaker 2: Raheem wouldn't be playing off Raheem without that, you know

457
00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:04,760
Speaker 2: what I'm saying.

458
00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,960
Speaker 4: And that was the thing that you know, everybody has

459
00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,640
Speaker 4: a turning point, right, like you have a turning point

460
00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,879
Speaker 4: in your life, whether you realize it or not. And

461
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,960
Speaker 4: so that could have been an easy turning point where

462
00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,200
Speaker 4: I put in so far. You know, I got two

463
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,679
Speaker 4: years of academics left. You know, I'm trying to be

464
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,920
Speaker 4: the first person to graduate in my family. I'm trying

465
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 4: to do all this thing, all these right this right stuff.

466
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,960
Speaker 4: But I could have easily got up, you know I

467
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:32,800
Speaker 4: had I don't know at the time.

468
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:34,080
Speaker 1: You get that peil.

469
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,120
Speaker 4: Grant money, right, you know what I mean, you got

470
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:39,040
Speaker 4: that pail grant money. So you get that peil grant money.

471
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:39,439
Speaker 1: I got it.

472
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,240
Speaker 4: I got it in my account, just sitting waiting for

473
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Speaker 4: like an emergency or something like that.

474
00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:44,280
Speaker 1: Now I could have used.

475
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:48,240
Speaker 4: That last little bit that I had that year, catch

476
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,200
Speaker 4: your flight home back to Daytona and you know, find

477
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,480
Speaker 4: out what the hell is going on in the situation back.

478
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 1: In my house. But you know, I do think my coach,

479
00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,960
Speaker 1: Coach green Man, he really changed. He changed my mindset.

480
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,160
Speaker 1: He was like, look like, god, fair Man, I'm telling.

481
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,879
Speaker 4: You right now, you ain't going nowhere, Like we're gonna

482
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 4: we're gonna keep you on this bus and you're gonna

483
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,640
Speaker 4: ride the Purdue and and we're gonna get it figured out.

484
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 4: I'm gonna make sure you stay updated whatever you need,

485
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 4: you know, but just know that you know we're gonna

486
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 4: do this thing the right way.

487
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, And then you mentioned that being a turning point,

488
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:27,240
Speaker 3: did you feel like doing that time? Like what became

489
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,119
Speaker 3: the new mindset? Right, Like what became the new shift?

490
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 3: You know, obviously wanting to be there to support your brother,

491
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,639
Speaker 3: wanting to understand what's going on, right, and then and

492
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 3: then Coach Green tells you it's not safe to go home.

493
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, the point was when I got that phone call

494
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 4: from my brother when he was laid up in the

495
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 4: hospital bed. You know, he called me up and he

496
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 4: was like, hey, heem, I'm good, don't worry about me.

497
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 4: I'm like, bro, you sure like He's like, yeah, I'm good.

498
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 4: So when he said that, I was like, you know what,

499
00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,239
Speaker 4: all right, Well if he if he see the vision too,

500
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,679
Speaker 4: and it's all the more reason to keep going. You know,

501
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 4: if he say he's gonna be good, you know, then

502
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 4: I can't do much else.

503
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:08,879
Speaker 1: Yeah.

504
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess I think too, as like I think

505
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 3: we first generation you know, change makers in our family, right.

506
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,880
Speaker 3: I think sometimes it does get lost of like the

507
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 3: weight that comes with it, right. You mentioned you know,

508
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,640
Speaker 3: the whole go and play for going, go and run

509
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 3: complete for the national championship. Getting a call that same

510
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 3: day that your brother's been shot he's in the hospital.

511
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:36,119
Speaker 3: Leonard went through something very similar with his pops. I

512
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 3: know myself personally, you know, I went through things, you know,

513
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 3: and through my high school journey that I could not

514
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 3: be sitting here as well, right, could Could you maybe

515
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 3: talk about when you reflect now on being a first

516
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 3: generational change maker in your family, like just the weight

517
00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 3: of every decision, Yeah, every every financial decision, every thought

518
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 3: you know, how you raise your kids today.

519
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know, I'm glad you brought that up

520
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 4: about the weight, because like sometimes you don't really realize

521
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 4: there's so much weight on your shoulders as a as

522
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 4: a as a.

523
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 1: Person, you know, or as an older sibling.

524
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 2: Or as a as.

525
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 4: A man, right, and so like you get that moment

526
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,120
Speaker 4: to you know, you finally can exhale.

527
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 1: And I felt like when I graduated college, that.

528
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 4: Was like my exhaling moment because I finally accomplished something

529
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 4: that has hasn't been done in my family. Like my

530
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:40,880
Speaker 4: mom went to some community college and dropped out after

531
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 4: the first semester, you know, or second semester or whatever.

532
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 4: And then the guy that you know was calling my

533
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 4: dad for the longest the time. He didn't he was

534
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,199
Speaker 4: just a construction worker. You know, he didn't. He was

535
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 4: good at basketball. He was known around the area that

536
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 4: to be a hell of a basketball player. And that

537
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,159
Speaker 4: was pretty much it, you know what I mean. So

538
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 4: just having that mindset of what I wanted to do

539
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 4: and my vision and once it actually happened, I think

540
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,120
Speaker 4: that that was like the biggest weight on my shoulders

541
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 4: that just fell completely off because I you know, I

542
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 4: was not to say that I was content, but it

543
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 4: was like, wow, like, you know, college is hard in itself.

544
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 4: I don't come from what I didn't come from a

545
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 4: like an academic background.

546
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 3: You know, me.

547
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 1: Advisors.

548
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 2: I went to college for football period.

549
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 1: It's like I'm sure everybody else and.

550
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 4: Football gives you that outlet, you know, you get a

551
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 4: full ride scholarship, and I just so happened to be,

552
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 4: you know, at least have a good head on my

553
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 4: shoulders to actually accomplish what I wanted to accomplish, you

554
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 4: know what I mean. But yeah, it was It's one

555
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 4: of those things where you know, you you get in

556
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,959
Speaker 4: that position where you get that weight lifted off your shoulders,

557
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 4: You're like I can finally breathe, you know, I finally

558
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 4: did it.

559
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 1: But there's still more to be done.

560
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 4: Right now, it's about the people that's around me, who's

561
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 4: who's making the most impact.

562
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: And sometimes, like you said, it.

563
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 4: Gets lost in translation, it gets lost in the fact

564
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 4: that nowadays, you know, you got I mean, we can

565
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 4: go into this topic about the nil stuff. I'm glad

566
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 4: they're making money, but like now, you could go from

567
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 4: one school to the next year, a year after you know,

568
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 4: losing the championship, or a year after it doesn't work.

569
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 1: Out into the portal.

570
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 4: It just doesn't give guys the opportunity now to you know,

571
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 4: at least stay with the university that committed you know,

572
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 4: not just monetary, but you know, in so many other aspects.

573
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 3: I think you hit it. I think I think it's

574
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 3: the the commitment, right, It's the commitment to the commitment.

575
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,679
Speaker 3: And you know, if I said I'm going to Purdue,

576
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,640
Speaker 3: if I said I'm going to l s U, everything, Yeah,

577
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 3: that's where I'm thugging it out at like that.

578
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 1: That's see.

579
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 4: Look, when my coach got fired at the end of

580
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 4: my sophomore year, so I could I had that one

581
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 4: little window where I could transfer, and I know, I

582
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 4: know Urban Meyer.

583
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 1: I was going to go to Ohio state. Ye I

584
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 1: was at the time.

585
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 4: Was my wife, was my girlfriend, and she's from Ohio.

586
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 4: It would have been easier for her, but she was like, man,

587
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 4: I hate Ohio State. She grew up big Ohio state, Like,

588
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 4: oh my god, she's like all my friends went there,

589
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 4: like all I here is Ohio.

590
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: Like, no, I'm good. I don't want nothing to do

591
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 1: with buck Eyes. And I looked at it.

592
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 4: I was like, but hey, look I got great coach,

593
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 4: Erban Mayer, like right around the corner, you know what

594
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 4: I mean.

595
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 1: And he's come to my high school numerous times. Dallas

596
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 1: Baker is like a good friend of mine.

597
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 4: He was my coach, you know when when they played

598
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 4: at Florida and so I had a great connection. I

599
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 4: was thinking about transferring, but like you said, that commitment,

600
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 4: you know, I was committed to the university. I was, Yeah,

601
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 4: we might not be much of anything in football, but

602
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 4: at least I'm gonna get a good academic.

603
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

604
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 3: No, you stayed the course.

605
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: I stayed the course.

606
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 3: He stayed the course. I think Leonard mentioned something about

607
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 3: that in NIL. In one of our first shows, we

608
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 3: talked a little bit about how you know the competition,

609
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,479
Speaker 3: like isn't there right like it's gonna it. It's one

610
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 3: of those things where kids are now having it out

611
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 3: based on financials, based on oh, I can go here

612
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 3: and start now I can go And we are talking

613
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 3: about how like an l s U. It was like

614
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 3: you had to wait and you had to wait in

615
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 3: line like you wasn't most times, most times, and not

616
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 3: if you were a freshman, you wouldn't play unless you was,

617
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 3: you know, number one playing in the state, two time Gatorade.

618
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 3: But even then, but even then, Leonard had waited.

619
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had to wait, right. You know, in the

620
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 2: SEC the level of players is faster. It's something you

621
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 2: have to get used to, especially running back.

622
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: Right.

623
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 2: We're running backs, right, We're not used to blocking Mike

624
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 2: will going to the sam right. We used to getting

625
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 2: the ball high school and just fucking running and doing

626
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 2: our thing. Now the whole dynamic of the game has changed.

627
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 2: It's not about you. You in high school. You in

628
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 2: high school, the offense just based on you, right, So

629
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 2: now you gotta worry about the concepts. You know, you

630
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 2: got to know this run, goal with this past, this past,

631
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 2: go with this run. So this the whole dynamic of

632
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 2: the offensive level has changed. And also speaking up nil

633
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 2: Like I told when Jobs was saying, they're running, they're

634
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 2: running away from competition.

635
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: That's the biggest thing, right you just.

636
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 2: Listen, you just said, right, you have the NFC record, right,

637
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 2: it was fourth.

638
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: I was fourth there coming in there at year, I

639
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: was fourth.

640
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 2: So the fort running back on the depth chart, and

641
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 2: that goes back what I'm saying.

642
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: It made you who you are.

643
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 2: You went down there, grit you, grind you bruh. People

644
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 2: don't understand certain those type of trials make you who

645
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 2: you are. Right and speaking on the trials, right, I

646
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 2: know you played for a lot of teams in the NFL, Right,

647
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 2: Like what what helped you not walk away from the game?

648
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 2: So I know that was kind of stressful. It was

649
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 2: pissing you off, like it be it would be something. Yeah,

650
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 2: I'm trying to tell you, like I know it would

651
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 2: be some seasons where where in your mind doing.

652
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 3: Training camp, you're doing well, doing well.

653
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

654
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 2: You know, you know they man, we need job pad

655
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 2: tapping the show. They coach won't talk to you. Can

656
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 2: you go through that? Why didn't you step away through

657
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 2: all those trials and situations you kept going through?

658
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah.

659
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 4: The reason why I guess, the reason why I guess

660
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Speaker 4: I didn't step away. You know, especially early on the

661
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 4: first two years of my career, it was like, excuse

662
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Speaker 4: my French, it was a ship show. It was like

663
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,719
Speaker 4: I was getting cut left and right. You know, I

664
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 4: was on I was on seven different teams my two years.

665
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 2: Listen Man said seven my two years.

666
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

667
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 4: I just mentioned to him I was his teammate my

668
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 4: rookie year and he adn'tew it's crazy.

669
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but but you know what the NFL, and

670
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 3: I think this kind of gets it doesn't get lost

671
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 3: in translation, but maybe it does.

672
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 2: It does that that it's a revolving door. It is

673
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 2: and out. I ain't gonna say coaching, but player wise,

674
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 2: player mostly Bro, you get it. You get a damn

675
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 2: the new teammate every week, every Wednesday, every Tuesday is tryouts.

676
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,479
Speaker 2: Somebody trying out every Tuesday for your job, even if

677
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 2: you're doing well.

678
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't think people Weday got a new

679
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 3: I Pad, Bros like new I Pad, new number number?

680
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: Who is who is that? It's crazy? Bro?

681
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 2: And you said, bro, like, see, I haven't I haven't

682
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 2: been through that right in my in my years in

683
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 2: the NFL. Can you talk about that like this, You're

684
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 2: going to learning one playbook to the next, and you

685
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 2: have to learn it in what two weeks a week

686
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 2: span week?

687
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it was a yeah.

688
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 4: I mean the playboys me, I felt like I've always

689
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 4: been that type of player where I can adjust to

690
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 4: any type of playbook because just based on all my

691
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 4: playing skills, right, my playing assets and what I could bring.

692
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: But I mean it is tough though, but you also

693
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: got to think.

694
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 4: That, you know, when I was a rookie or my

695
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 4: second year, like special teams was like my.

696
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: My reason why I had to be on the team.

697
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 4: It wasn't like, man, I didn't get my running back

698
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 4: action until like my fourth year, Like I didn't. I

699
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 4: didn't really I got to carry my second year. Yeah,

700
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 4: it was a six yard carrier the last game of

701
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 4: the of the season against Seattle.

702
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: So my average for the year six yards, you know

703
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: what I mean. So I popped. Oh yeah, I got

704
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: one rush for six yards. So it was a work

705
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: in progress.

706
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 4: But you know, at the same time, it was like

707
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 4: I gotta I gotta figure out these special teams. That's

708
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 4: that's that's what that's how I'm gonna make my cash.

709
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 4: That's how I'm gonna make, you know, get on the

710
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 4: field and make my plan.

711
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 3: I'm with you that. I'm with you on that. When

712
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 3: when I first got came to my end me, I

713
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 3: didn't start right away. I was an R five on kickoff,

714
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 3: kickoff returner, a gunner, and a punk returner when I

715
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 3: first into the league. And I remember to this day,

716
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 3: man coach Terrence McGahee, my special teams coach in l

717
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:22,239
Speaker 3: s U, former Giant special teams coach, telling us that

718
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 3: if you want to make the team in the NFL

719
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 3: special you have to play special teams. And I remember thinking,

720
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 3: like I'm a dog, like ain't no you know what

721
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 3: I mean, like it.

722
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: Like special team.

723
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 3: But I'm like, you know what, if this is the

724
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 3: way to make the make make the team and be

725
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 3: effective and make a play, right, then this is what

726
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do. And I did it through through through

727
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 3: college and I made a couple of plays my freshman year.

728
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 3: And then I get to the league and I'm thinking like, bro,

729
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,959
Speaker 3: I'm a second round pick, like, ain't no way I'm

730
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 3: about to be playing special teams.

731
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: And then Darren.

732
00:33:55,680 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 3: Rizzy is my guy. This is my guy. We got

733
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 3: into it a couple of times, but man, there's so

734
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 3: much love there because he just wants the best out

735
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 3: of you, right, And I remember him being like, hey,

736
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 3: like you are are five, like you run it out

737
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 3: on kickoffs. I don't care when you was drafted. I

738
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 3: don't care what position you play, Like special teams. If

739
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 3: you want to make this team as a rookie, this

740
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 3: is what you gotta do. So I feel you on

741
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 3: the whole special team thing. Have you ever played special teams?

742
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 2: Linny, I played in college?

743
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 3: No in the NFL? Did you did you? Did you

744
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 3: run down on kickoff anything? See your boy favorite But

745
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 3: but don't you know, it's like it bust up away?

746
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 2: Obviously we had and I try to try to expecting

747
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 2: to the young guys now, right, even when I go

748
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 2: back to talk to l s U. Listen, I want

749
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 2: you to understand this. If y'all not that guy, y'all

750
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 2: need to be working on special teams because it's a

751
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 2: it's a it's a it's a very important part in

752
00:34:58,560 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 2: the NFL.

753
00:34:59,080 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: I don't want.

754
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 3: What I'm saying is, you know, break games sometimes.

755
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 2: If you're not the if you're not the first round,

756
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 2: top five, top ten pick, you're likely you're going to

757
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 2: be playing right there, they're choosing you to change the organization.

758
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 2: But y'all kind of had to me. I think the

759
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 2: second third rounders have kind of like a I hear

760
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 2: step over guys that's first round because guess what now,

761
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,919
Speaker 2: we in later our careers, we never we never block

762
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,280
Speaker 2: on no kick return or run down. That's no gunner,

763
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 2: right y'all. Y'all did both of them, So y'all kind

764
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,479
Speaker 2: of have to experience. That's why some guys careers last

765
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 2: longer than first round picks.

766
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,439
Speaker 4: And I hate to bring him up like that, but

767
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 4: my time in Cleveland was Duke Johnson.

768
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: Duke was like the perfect example. Duke's dog. He was.

769
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 4: He was a dog and he'll tell you straight up,

770
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 4: I'm not playing no special teams. No, that's not what

771
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 4: I'm That's not what I'm doing. And he's like, I

772
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 4: want to be a third down back. That's all he

773
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 4: wanted to do. Like that was it.

774
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 3: He had his own vision foot, he had his own

775
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 3: y'all do with me this way, only.

776
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get third down back, that's it.

777
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 2: But that's what certain guys like you know, I played

778
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 2: with Javona Bernard. He was he was out third guy.

779
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: He was our third down guy.

780
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 2: But he also played special teams too, right, so when

781
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 2: you get caught up in them type of games, it's

782
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 2: not gonna last long.

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Speaker 3: I think you hit something too earlier as we were

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821
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 3: get a real chance in a backfield to like your

822
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 3: fourth year.

823
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 2: Right.

824
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:40,479
Speaker 3: I think also for younger players out there, you could

825
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 3: speak to this as a testimony, as a testament because

826
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 3: most times, playing special teams keeps you on the field,

827
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 3: keeps you on the roster until your actual time comes

828
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 3: at your position to make a difference, and then you

829
00:38:55,960 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 3: get paid, right, Like it's a whole process. Is not

830
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 3: one of those things that like you know, you just

831
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 3: get to the league. You know, it's no bench really,

832
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 3: no no practice squad bench. You're not just on the bench.

833
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 3: Like where in college you got ninety players on the roster,

834
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,760
Speaker 3: it's only fifty six. I think, what it's sixty three slots,

835
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 3: that's it, you know what I mean? And most times

836
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 3: sixty three, sixty six, sixty four They changed it with

837
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 3: the COVID rule, right, So most times, most times, if

838
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 3: you're not playing on special teams, you didn't make practice squad.

839
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 3: You're probably sitting on the couch, like even though you

840
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 3: got drafted to play receiver, for our team, Like, can

841
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 3: you talk about can you talk about guys out there

842
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 3: are younger players. There's about to be a draft here

843
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 3: in a couple of weeks, right about guys. Maybe speak

844
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 3: to guys that you know, maybe are at the end

845
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 3: of the draft. Right, you are an undrafted guy, right,

846
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,399
Speaker 3: and now you're going into your eleventh season, twelve season, right,

847
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 3: you play more seasons than I have played.

848
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: My dog got that pension right right.

849
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:02,879
Speaker 3: Right now, he's fully best, fully vested. Right, everything else

850
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 3: a bonus, Right, Can you speak to can you speak

851
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 3: to you know, this next incoming generation of draft picks

852
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 3: about how important it is to do your one eleventh

853
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 3: and still get better in your position? Yeah, right, but

854
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,720
Speaker 3: also maybe playing special teams until your time comes.

855
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially for the guys that are in the later rounds.

856
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,439
Speaker 4: I feel like, you know, when the first two rounds,

857
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 4: there's an expectation, I mean y'all know, right, there's like

858
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 4: you have an expectation to be you know, in the

859
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 4: in the running to be starter rotation.

860
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: You know, you depth damn sure a role player. You

861
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 1: get some get you get in some time.

862
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 4: But like anything after that, you know, I feel like

863
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 4: it could be up in the air, depending on how

864
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,879
Speaker 4: a coach views you, depending on how you fit within

865
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 4: the scheme. You know, it's it's all relative in that aspect.

866
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 4: I feel like, you know, especially with the guys that

867
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 4: are later on and you know, in those draft picks,

868
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 4: you know and undrafted, I feel like you have a

869
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 4: better chance to figure out what your what your your

870
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 4: scene's gonna be, where where you're gonna be. Like me,

871
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 4: I came in. I knew that Philly was like the

872
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 4: best fit for me because at the time it was

873
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 4: Chip Kelly's offense. He just came from organ spread, spread,

874
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 4: you know, no huddle. Let's speed, speed, fast, you know everything.

875
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 4: You know, you catch out the I can catch out

876
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:29,720
Speaker 4: the backfield.

877
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: I'm good.

878
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 4: But then I also realized who he who was on

879
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 4: the roster with me. We had DeMarco Murray, Ryan Matthews,

880
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 4: darren Sprolls. So that's three three headed monsters. Already nobody's

881
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 4: getting rid of darren Sproles. Yeah, he's he could do everything. Yeah,

882
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 4: you want to talk about special teams, man got probably

883
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 4: the most you know, return yards, combo, you know, rushing

884
00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 4: and receiving, purpose, all purpose in the NFL history. Then

885
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 4: you got Ryan Matthews, who's he was a dog too,

886
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 4: you know. And then and then DeMarco Murray.

887
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 1: A dog, straight dog, straight, do you know?

888
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 4: So I came into that situation. I'm like, hey, look

889
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 4: well they knew that I was. I had to play

890
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 4: special teams and sometimes it just has to work like that.

891
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 4: You have to find the best fit for you if

892
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 4: you are at least an undrafted guy. But when you're drafted,

893
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 4: you really have no choice, you know what I mean,

894
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 4: You don't have a choice, but you do have a choice.

895
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,399
Speaker 4: And how you how you practice, how you.

896
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 3: Play, how you prepare, how you.

897
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 4: Prepared to be in those roles to be in rotation. Now,

898
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 4: there's some guys that you know, I've I've been on

899
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 4: a team, you know, with the Niners, they drafted a

900
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 4: running back and then next thing you know, he's second,

901
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 4: third round. They just try to they try to hang

902
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 4: on to him as much as they can to show that,

903
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 4: you know, we didn't make a mistake, but they made

904
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 4: the mistake. So hate that and it's and it's tough too,

905
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 4: because like, you don't want that to happen to a

906
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 4: guy that you you.

907
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,399
Speaker 1: Know, you're battling again and battling with.

908
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 2: Ye also the guy who you also build in a

909
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 2: relationship with Todight exact, somebody kind of take under your wing.

910
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 2: You're trying to help, trying to guide, you know, to

911
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 2: be the best he can be. But unfortunately, in some circumstances,

912
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 2: it's hard, man, it's hard. We have to compete for

913
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 2: a job and compete for a roster, spy, and you

914
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 2: got love and you build this type of bond and

915
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 2: love in your room, and to see that happens, you

916
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, it's like, I.

917
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 4: Mean, but think about this though, if we if we

918
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 4: were all on a team, right, and we bonded with

919
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 4: everybody on that team, you would have ninety brothers on

920
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 4: a on a roster or whatever the max is, And

921
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 4: you wouldn't want that to change because you're like, look

922
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 4: like I was just with the Raiders this past year

923
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:47,879
Speaker 4: and we had a ninety man roster.

924
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:49,919
Speaker 1: I felt like we could legit go to war.

925
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 4: Like everybody was cool, everybody, you know, we all hung

926
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 4: out together, we all were playing golf, we're all, you know,

927
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 4: showing up to each.

928
00:43:58,200 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: Other's events and everything like that.

929
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 4: But when you have to dwindle that down into you know,

930
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 4: sixty four man roster, you know, fifty three active, forty

931
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 4: six or forty six active, fifty three on on.

932
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: You know, the team is tricky because now you're fighting.

933
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 4: Not just in your position, but you're also fighting with

934
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 4: what the coaches are, how they're feeling about.

935
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 3: You're fighting politics, politics, definitely everything, and that's the that's

936
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 3: the biggest battle, the politics.

937
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: Right.

938
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 2: But I know I was on team with guys, bro,

939
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 2: I know that was quiet. You know, there was chill.

940
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:34,760
Speaker 2: But to the to the upper guys, that's an attitude problem.

941
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 2: You don't speak, you don't talk, you know.

942
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 3: So not good for the culture.

943
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 1: Not good for the culture.

944
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 2: So when it comes when I say that for the

945
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 2: young guys who's coming in, get to know the front office,

946
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 2: that's that's that's one of the biggest things you have

947
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 2: to do. Get to know the front office, get to

948
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 2: know the people that's going to control the narrative of

949
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:51,720
Speaker 2: your career.

950
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 4: And it's okay too, Like I mean, what I like

951
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 4: to do, and I've done it for years, is like Bro,

952
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,720
Speaker 4: I go up and I make sure I introduce myself

953
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 4: to every every everybody that's important, Like it could be

954
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 4: the person that's cleaning up, you know, the cafeteria. I

955
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 4: want I want to meet them because I know that

956
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 4: they have a purpose.

957
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: In the building, like they're they're here for a.

958
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 4: Reason, and you never know sometimes, you know, those those relationships,

959
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,439
Speaker 4: those lasting effects can carry you a long way.

960
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: Like you know, I truly believe that you should never

961
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: burn a bridge.

962
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 4: You know, never burn no matter how much you despise

963
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,720
Speaker 4: a person, no matter how much you like, if.

964
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 1: You really are not messing with that person.

965
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 4: Okay, I understand you burning that bridge and you're doing

966
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 4: it for the betterment or you know, your family, yourself, whatever,

967
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 4: But most of the time, you know, everybody is intertwined somehow,

968
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 4: some way. You just got to keep that positive attitude

969
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 4: and not burn that bridge.

970
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I you know, I struggle with I struggle with

971
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 3: that a little bit about knowing the game and understanding

972
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 3: the game and then knowing that there's a game within

973
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 3: the game, right and we played we all have played

974
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 3: with a guy named the Dominican Sue who who is

975
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 3: a genius you know when it comes to you know,

976
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 3: how he's handled his business on and off the field.

977
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 3: And I remember him telling me that when I was

978
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 3: with the Dolphins, I remember him saying, like there's a

979
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 3: game within the game, Jarvis, like that's the game, and

980
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,879
Speaker 3: then there's the game within the game. And I never

981
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 3: really understood what he meant until I got to the

982
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 3: New Orleans Saints, and then I started realizing that, like

983
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 3: you were talking about, the GMS want to be right about,

984
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:41,439
Speaker 3: you know, certain players, right, you know, I realized being

985
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 3: at I knew football. I realized, Okay, normally on third down,

986
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 3: I am the first option. Now on third down, I'm

987
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 3: the fifth option, I'm the fourth option, and there's no

988
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 3: explanation coming right, And you still got to show up

989
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 3: and go to work, right. I think for the younger

990
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 3: guys out there, you guys both hit it about making

991
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:12,760
Speaker 3: sure you're introducing yourself to the right people. I think

992
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 3: the biggest thing to back that up with is just

993
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 3: your worth ethic. I think, don't let what's happening in

994
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 3: those situations, whether you're not getting the ball, you're not

995
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 3: getting enough playing time, whatever it is, you know, be

996
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 3: the reason that you don't show up and work hard,

997
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 3: or be the reason where now they can control your

998
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 3: narrative with another team or another organization, other coaches, you know,

999
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 3: because you know they click tight. Right, yeah, and now

1000
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 3: you have this aura on you that you've got to

1001
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 3: hope somebody take a chance on because you know, you

1002
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 3: had a bad reputation over here.

1003
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: Right. And the thing is, too is like.

1004
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 4: People in the league, they don't like people in the

1005
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 4: league know, but outside the league you don't really understand it.

1006
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 4: But like the league talks like everybody, everybody talks like

1007
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,760
Speaker 4: whether they're supposed to it or not supposed to in general,

1008
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 4: everybody like can they they talk about you, they talk

1009
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 4: for you, they talk against you, they talk good about you,

1010
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 4: talk bad about you. They eventually word spreads around the

1011
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 4: entire league that oh, well, you know him is this

1012
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 4: heim You know one day he was on a on

1013
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 4: a little power trip because he was this, that and

1014
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:30,439
Speaker 4: the other.

1015
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: No.

1016
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 4: I mean I was just you know, frustrated the fact

1017
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 4: that I didn't have it this way, you know, And

1018
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 4: sometimes that could be against you, and then they could say, well,

1019
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 4: he's a hell of a teammate. I'm damn sure gonna

1020
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 4: be a hell of a teammate. That's that's who I am.

1021
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 4: But you know, it's when when it comes down to it,

1022
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 4: like the young guys also got to understand that everybody

1023
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 4: in the league. You know, all the teams talk to

1024
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:57,479
Speaker 4: one another, you know, and they share information and good

1025
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 4: better and different. But you got to be that person

1026
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 4: that they don't talk as much about. You know, just

1027
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,720
Speaker 4: stay out of the light all the time, and and

1028
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 4: and do your do your work and you know, and

1029
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 4: and be a good teammate and good good locker room guy.

1030
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 4: That's that's what most teams like anyway.

1031
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 2: And I'm glad you said about your experience with the Saints.

1032
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 2: I went through that my last year in Tampa.

1033
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: Right.

1034
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 2: Uh, it's going back right once again. Tampa didn't draft me.

1035
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 1: Uh.

1036
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 2: They brought in a young guy, rash Rashad White, And

1037
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 2: of course they don't want they don't want to feel

1038
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 2: feel I guess awkward about picking somebody that that doesn't

1039
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 2: play at all, you know, because it's a bad look

1040
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 2: on the guys who was drafted people.

1041
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: Right.

1042
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 2: And I didn't understand that until after my after my career, right, uh,

1043
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 2: just coming in and understanding, uh that it's a business

1044
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 2: with God. Like just like you said, what Sue told you, like,

1045
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:51,919
Speaker 2: I didn't.

1046
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: I didn't.

1047
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't understand that, right. I'm so used

1048
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 2: to being a guy my entire life from yea high

1049
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 2: to hear, and it ain't quite registered me being a

1050
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 2: number two. Right, I took it, and I took it personally,

1051
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 2: which I I shouldn't have. Right, I should have played

1052
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 2: the game, which I've always had a problem with. Right,

1053
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 2: that's kind of that's kind of a sticking when that

1054
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 2: was on me from Jacksonville too. And it's for the

1055
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 2: young guys that's gonna watch this. And and that's probably

1056
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 2: my one of my biggest regrets not playing the game.

1057
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 2: If I feel like if I would have played the

1058
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 2: game more, I STI would have been the lead. Obviously

1059
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 2: you STI would have been the lead, right, But my

1060
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 2: tolerance for fakeness.

1061
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: I can't.

1062
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:38,399
Speaker 2: I can't.

1063
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 3: I can't take it.

1064
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 2: I can't take fake shit, right, And and people don't

1065
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 2: know I I told Temple to let me go. I'm like,

1066
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 2: I see that the direction, y'all guys are gone. Y'all

1067
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 2: wanted Rashad to be the number one and me kind

1068
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 2: of be the number two. Mentally, I wasn't prepared prepared

1069
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 2: for that. Right, And guys like you know yourself, who

1070
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 2: went to simplest situations you just said, used to use

1071
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 2: the number four.

1072
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: Running back, right.

1073
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 2: I know in my mind I could probably probablyn't take

1074
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 2: that ship like being number four for right, you know

1075
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, and being from one, like even even

1076
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 2: being from one to two.

1077
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 3: Right.

1078
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 2: So I'm glad we are saying this now to the

1079
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 2: young guys, because you know, people told us this, told

1080
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 2: me this obviously, and at the time it wasn't registered.

1081
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 2: Until my brain, I didn't understand it. But now that

1082
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 2: I'm older and now that I see, But also what

1083
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna do.

1084
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: I didn't burn a lot.

1085
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 2: I didn't burn bridges, right because you know what if

1086
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 2: one of our sons, yeah, playing the NFL, and I

1087
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 2: don't want that ship to fall back on them, so

1088
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 2: he has that.

1089
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 1: I had to.

1090
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 2: I had to leave live. Yes, yes, I left on

1091
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 2: my own terms. I thanked everybody. Then I just moved on.

1092
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 2: So I'm glad you said. I'm glad you said that,

1093
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 2: because like that was one of my biggest things is

1094
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 2: playing playing the game.

1095
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 4: You know what, And for you to even come out

1096
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 4: and say that that that shows like the maturity level

1097
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 4: in regards to how you see the game now, right,

1098
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 4: and how you can help you know, the next generation

1099
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 4: of guys. You know, Yeah, there's gonna be some guys

1100
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 4: that's the number one, always been number one, but they.

1101
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,320
Speaker 1: Ain't the number one, like how Lenny was the number one.

1102
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 4: And so for you to come out and be like,

1103
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 4: you know what, now this is this is what my

1104
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 4: mindset was when I was in Tampa. And then you're

1105
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:25,839
Speaker 4: also coping with that too, you know.

1106
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: So that's that.

1107
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 4: Shows the maturity that you have now that you learning

1108
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 4: the game within the game, and how you could help

1109
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 4: other people that are gonna potentially be in that role

1110
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 4: that you were once in that you're helping them too.

1111
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 4: So and it and I see it like this, like

1112
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 4: for because I never even heard a guy in like

1113
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 4: in your caliber, you know, the way you you've always

1114
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 4: been the number one guy. Never heard a guy come

1115
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 4: out and admit you know in the simple fact that.

1116
00:52:58,200 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 1: It was hard for me.

1117
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,800
Speaker 4: It was I couldn't I couldn't see number two like that,

1118
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 4: Yeah you know what I mean. So like like I

1119
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 4: said that, for you to say that, it's.

1120
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 1: Like, damn, that actually hit me for a minute. I

1121
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 1: was like, damn that that meant a lot to you.

1122
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 1: I can tell.

1123
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 4: It's just that weight, like we all talked about, right

1124
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 4: that weight that just came off your shoulders and admit that.

1125
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're back.

1126
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 3: It's final four time with Lenny's locks. I know the

1127
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 3: last couple of weeks, bro, you said that it hasn't

1128
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 3: been working out, it's been rough. But Lenny told me

1129
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 3: personally himself, this is the week we're locking it in

1130
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 3: and all these gonna hit. They all gonna hit, all

1131
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 3: gonna hit, all gonna hit facts all right. Number two

1132
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 3: Yukon versus number three Illinois? Who you got?

1133
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 2: I'm going with Yukon. They upset, they beat Duke, and uh,

1134
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 2: that's why it's March madness. The ship is madness. It's

1135
00:53:56,680 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 2: about it's madness right now. So I'm gonna go Yuka.

1136
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 2: I love the head coaches, the meana. He is a minute.

1137
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 2: How he got in a rough face with the jacket

1138
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 2: almost falling off in his I'm like, yeah, yeah, we

1139
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 2: need that.

1140
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 3: He wanted as bad as the players. Energy we need

1141
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 3: from martsma.

1142
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it.

1143
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 3: So you're taking energy.

1144
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 1: I love it all right.

1145
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 3: Number one Arizona versus Number one Michigan. Who you pick?

1146
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 2: I gotta go with Azy, have to go with Arizona.

1147
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 2: They played the defense is amazing.

1148
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:28,359
Speaker 1: Right.

1149
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 2: Also, you know, one of the Mission Michigan guys made

1150
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 2: a statement that kind of got know mister Jannerole's attention

1151
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 2: about you know, we may be the best, we may

1152
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 2: be the best. Mis Michigan team about to find out that,

1153
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 2: mister Rules said, we're gonna find out. Win it, Yeah,

1154
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:47,359
Speaker 2: win it. So right now I'm going Arizona. I love

1155
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 2: that you never go against the greats. You never go

1156
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 2: against the greats. Right, so easy it.

1157
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 3: Is, yes, sir, number one versus number one. That should

1158
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 3: be a great game. Okay, so you got Yukon Arizona

1159
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 3: going to the championship. Who wins?

1160
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 1: Yu Khan?

1161
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 3: You cahn't all the way?

1162
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:06,839
Speaker 1: You can all the way?

1163
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 2: And and and let me you know if I'm if

1164
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 2: I'm projecting doing the right thing. I think the girls

1165
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 2: Ukon girls gonna win too.

1166
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, Yes, another year, another year history for

1167
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 3: Yu Khon.

1168
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:19,280
Speaker 2: That'd be crazy, that'd be amazing.

1169
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 3: Hey, coach, if you see this man, send linear jersey man.

1170
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 3: Yes he need this, and make sure y'all locking y'all picks,

1171
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 3: locking your picks.

1172
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 2: And coach, when you do send it. I wanted to

1173
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 2: be number seven. I'm aa hold it down for the hood.

1174
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:31,839
Speaker 2: I'm a hold it down for y'all.

1175
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: Man.

1176
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 3: That's Lenny's Locks presented by hard Rock Bets.

1177
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 2: And you know we're gonna try to turn the page.

1178
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 2: And speaking on influences right in your life, you said,

1179
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 2: you know father, you know your mother, you know there

1180
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 2: was it wasn't really your parents. Who were some of

1181
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 2: him's influences in his life and why he's the reason

1182
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 2: he's the man he is today.

1183
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, great question. You know.

1184
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:00,479
Speaker 4: I had a add my first ever football coach.

1185
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 1: He was also like the.

1186
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:06,320
Speaker 4: Like the Pop Warner GM around the area of the community.

1187
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 1: Right. His name was Mike Stokes.

1188
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:13,320
Speaker 4: We called him coach coach port chop, real hill billy,

1189
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 4: redneck guy always came and he always chewed.

1190
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 1: His dip and everything like that. And but he always

1191
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:19,760
Speaker 1: looked out.

1192
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 4: For the kiddos like he was. That was his and

1193
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 4: so he took me under his wing. He took me,

1194
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 4: you know, he called me, called me a son, you

1195
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:28,359
Speaker 4: know what I mean.

1196
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: And so.

1197
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 4: He he was he was probably the biggest influence because

1198
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 4: he instilled you know, grit, toughness, what it takes to

1199
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 4: be a man at an early age, how to handle

1200
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 4: your business correctly, you know, do everything that you possibly can.

1201
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 1: And one of his saying was keep chopping. His nickname was.

1202
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 4: Port Chopp, called coach Chop, so he said, keep chopping,

1203
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 4: keep chopping that wood, knock that tree down.

1204
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: So yeah, he was. He was a big.

1205
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 4: Influence, uh in my life. You know, I got to

1206
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 4: I got to just spend so much time with him.

1207
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: You know, he'd bring me.

1208
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 4: Over to his countryside house and you know, funny, he

1209
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 4: used to call these things called swamp apes. It was

1210
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 4: like the mythical like, you know, a little swamp monster

1211
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 4: that you know, as a little kid growing up, we

1212
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 4: stayed scared of that. But no, he taught us, taught

1213
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 4: us to be tough though conquered that swamp ape man.

1214
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 1: You know. So he was. He was a big influence.

1215
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 4: And then obviously my wife, I felt like, you know,

1216
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 4: even when I was I tell the joke all the time,

1217
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 4: when I was riding the bench, you know, riding a

1218
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 4: pone at Purdue when things wasn't really going the way

1219
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 4: I you know, I envisioned it the reason why I

1220
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 4: signed up. She always had that that attitude of like,

1221
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 4: you know, effort, keep going, like do your thing. Even

1222
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 4: when I got even when I got cut by Cleveland,

1223
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 4: you know, Cleveland bro.

1224
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: It was like, you know, at the time, it was

1225
00:57:58,560 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 1: like one of the worst teams to.

1226
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 4: Be a part of. I got, I got released by Cleveland.

1227
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 4: I made the fifty three man roster. And you know,

1228
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 4: I went out that night to celebrate. I went to

1229
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 4: High Park over in Crocker, went to High Park, got

1230
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 4: the little the.

1231
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 1: Fried lobster with the.

1232
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 3: Sweet you ain't know nothing about that.

1233
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: You don't know nothing about that.

1234
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, So celebrated that night, had a nice little steak

1235
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 4: dinner with me and my family, my in laws and

1236
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 4: my wife. And the next day it was it was

1237
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 4: my wife's bridal shower. You know, I just proposed her

1238
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 4: the year before, my rookie year. And so it was

1239
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 4: the same day I got cut from the from the Browns.

1240
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: Wow.

1241
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 4: And so I had to call my father in law

1242
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 4: up and you know, explained to him cause he was

1243
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 4: with the girls at the bridle shower. Had to call

1244
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 4: him up and be like, hey, keV, I don't know

1245
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 4: how to tell you this, but you know, I don't want.

1246
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: To ruin the girl's day or nothing like that. But

1247
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 1: I just got released by the Browns.

1248
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 2: Can you can you tell? Cause I've been released from Jacksonville?

1249
00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:01,479
Speaker 1: Right? Can you how hurtful that is? Man?

1250
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 2: Like, it's a it's a hurtful. It's a hurtful ass feeling.

1251
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 4: It is, especially when you make the roster like I

1252
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 4: made the roster, you know, I was. I felt like

1253
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 4: I did everything right. I felt like, you know, I was,

1254
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 4: you did everything I possibly could earn that spot, and

1255
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 4: I messed up by celebrating.

1256
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 1: I feel like I messed up.

1257
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 3: I feel that.

1258
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,919
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, it it's one of those things. Man.

1259
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 4: You just you get released and you like really like

1260
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 4: I wasn't good enough for this, Like, you know, I

1261
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 4: put in the time and the effort, in the hours, dedication.

1262
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: You know, I spent time away from my girl, you know, like.

1263
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 4: My people that I love to go in this organization

1264
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 4: and do right by them.

1265
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 1: Like you know, who was.

1266
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 3: The running backs there at the time.

1267
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 4: Do you remember Duke Johnson, Isaiah Crowell, Glenn Winston and

1268
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 4: we had another running back, uh Terrell?

1269
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 2: Yeah Crowell wasn't number twenty something.

1270
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 3: Georgia running back. Yeah, I came from Georgia. Yeah, I

1271
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 3: remember him. I mean, initially his career started out pretty strong. Yeah,

1272
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 3: but obviously it didn't. It didn't last strong. But yeah, man,

1273
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 3: it's crazy, you know, hearing your story, doing some research

1274
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 3: about your story, like all of the highs and lows, right,

1275
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:26,919
Speaker 3: and you sit here today like as a calm man.

1276
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 1: Right.

1277
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 4: I mean I've I've always been cool, calm and collected.

1278
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 4: Like it takes a lot to stressed out.

1279
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie, trust me that.

1280
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 4: That that night, when when I had to talk with

1281
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 4: my wife after her bridle shower, I looked there in

1282
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 4: the eyes. We sat on that couch and at our

1283
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 4: Crocker apartment, and I asked her. I said, like, what

1284
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 4: should I do? Because I'm I'm thinking about just hanging

1285
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 4: this ship up. Like I was really on edge because

1286
01:00:54,200 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 4: you know, I've already I got cut by you know, Eagles, Dolphins, Baltimore, Cleveland.

1287
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 1: I was like, man, it's over with. You know, it's crazy.

1288
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 2: I respect you even more because you know, us two guys,

1289
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 2: we're blessed enough where we have our mother, right. You

1290
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 2: know your mother is that soft spot for you, right,

1291
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 2: So anything I'm going through life, right, she's one call away.

1292
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 2: I was my father's one one call away too, but

1293
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 2: his love is more tough, like, man, you're gonna be

1294
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 2: all right.

1295
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 1: But your mother, she's more understanding.

1296
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 2: She's trying to find solutions for you to calm you

1297
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 2: down right. Like my time in Tampa, Bro, I didn't

1298
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 2: like you. I didn't start really producing how I wanted

1299
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 2: to produce. And the game was when the playoffs came, right,

1300
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 2: and I had to call my mother six thirty every

1301
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 2: single morning before walking into that organization in Tampa because,

1302
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 2: like you could just Bro, I was on this the

1303
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 2: edge of erupting, like like they playing me in his

1304
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 2: bitch like I ain't playing Like.

1305
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure, And.

1306
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 2: I'm glad we were getting to talk about this now

1307
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 2: because in the midst of our career you couldn't like

1308
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 2: it was so much. The season go on so fast, right,

1309
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 2: you don't have time to to cry about certain things,

1310
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 2: to moan about certain things. But like you said about

1311
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 2: you know, coach pork Chop, I had you know my coach.

1312
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

1313
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 4: And I don't think coaches get enough, like especially when

1314
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 4: you're younger. I don't think the younger the younger you are.

1315
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 4: I don't think those coaches those people that are supposed

1316
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 4: to influence you.

1317
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 1: I don't think they get enough credit, you know.

1318
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 4: And that's why I'm I'm happy I stand up on

1319
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 4: the table for mines, Like I stand up and be

1320
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 4: like coach Chopp, you know he and there's so many

1321
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 4: other ones, right, but like that was who.

1322
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 2: I Yeah, that's the one your whole life.

1323
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 1: It wasn't like growing up, I didn't.

1324
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 4: I wasn't like I didn't idolize like I mean, obviously

1325
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 4: it was you know you, Emmitt Smith and all the

1326
01:02:58,440 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 4: you know, the the NFL.

1327
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 1: Great. It's like you'll see Ricky Williams, you know what

1328
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 1: I mean, Like.

1329
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, those those are the guys, but like they weren't

1330
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 4: initially the ones that impacted me the most.

1331
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 1: Like it was like my coach, My coach is the

1332
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 1: one who did that, you know what I mean.

1333
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 4: So, like I said, I'm I'm happy he instilled all

1334
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 4: these all these different qualities and it helped me become

1335
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 4: a man early, you know what I mean. So that

1336
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:23,919
Speaker 4: way I can make these decisions and be cool, calm

1337
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 4: and collective the way I am.

1338
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 1: During rough times because.

1339
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 4: I look at it like this, and you can you

1340
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 4: can agree, or you can disagree. Life is like a wave, right,

1341
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 4: like you know, like how a wave is right like

1342
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:40,960
Speaker 4: you Sometimes you get a big wave, sometimes you get

1343
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 4: a small swell, sometimes you get nothing. Sometimes the ocean

1344
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 4: is just class.

1345
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 1: But I like to use it as.

1346
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:51,440
Speaker 4: A a because I have a surfering background too, so

1347
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 4: I like to use it as a surfing background. Sometimes

1348
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 4: you just got to ride whatever the wave comes. Sometimes

1349
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 4: that wave as big as hell. Sometimes it be small.

1350
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 4: But if you if you constantly, if you're constantly riding

1351
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 4: a wave, you know you're gonna you're gonna you win

1352
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 4: it for a ride, you know what I mean. And

1353
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 4: sometimes you can get those barrels. Now you probably don't

1354
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 4: know what that is.

1355
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know. You go inside of a barrel

1356
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 1: of a wave. Yeah.

1357
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 4: When you come out of a way, the barrel is light. Yeah,

1358
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 4: just like a tunnel, you know what I mean. So

1359
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 4: that's how I try to treat life in general. Like

1360
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 4: I want to make sure that I'm I'm riding whatever

1361
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:31,720
Speaker 4: wave my mom big or small, I'm conquering it and

1362
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 4: I'm getting through the end of the barrel, you know

1363
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 4: what I mean.

1364
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 2: I like it you said that because I use the term,

1365
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 2: you know, like to me, I think life is like

1366
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:41,080
Speaker 2: about a game of runs, like especially in basketball, right,

1367
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:43,400
Speaker 2: you know you might get a turnover here and there,

1368
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 2: and you know you got to call the time out

1369
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 2: and sometimes you know that run. You know you might

1370
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 2: go for fifteen. Yeah, you know you go fifteen. God

1371
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 2: was going on help me out. So now I like

1372
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 2: that terminology.

1373
01:04:57,240 --> 01:04:57,479
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1374
01:04:57,760 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 2: And then when you said about we're talking about you

1375
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 2: know the water, Now can you talking about this?

1376
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 1: This?

1377
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 2: This this fishing team? You have that that that I'm trying

1378
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 2: to can I join? Like how much I gotta put up?

1379
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 1: You signed up?

1380
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 4: I can get you in contact with our commission and

1381
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 4: they feel he's he's awesome. But now they do like this,

1382
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 4: uh this pro am every year it's called the Catch

1383
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 4: s f C. If y'all want to join, let me know.

1384
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 4: It's it's over in the Key West down there in

1385
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 4: the Keys.

1386
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:30,959
Speaker 3: This year you're pulling, you're pulling out some big, big

1387
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 3: big fish.

1388
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1389
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:35,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're pulling out some some big fish, some sailfish,

1390
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 4: bill fish.

1391
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 3: Pound with the pounds like.

1392
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 1: Like anywhere two to four hundred.

1393
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 2: Plushundred pounds fish list sounds like to me, yeah to me,

1394
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 2: tunas right, that's tunas tuna too. Yeah, I've seen, I've

1395
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 2: seen they had, like they had a clip going for

1396
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 2: a couple of months back, y'all putting no pounds in

1397
01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:57,960
Speaker 2: your fish and cheating.

1398
01:05:58,080 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, I ain't doing that.

1399
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:04,439
Speaker 4: Mean so, like he's saying, so there was a guy

1400
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 4: that got caught with.

1401
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 3: He putting weights inside of the stomach.

1402
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1403
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:11,480
Speaker 4: So like when you go to a competition, right when

1404
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 4: you're doing like a fishing tournament or whatever, they weave

1405
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 4: the fish to see like who has the biggest fish

1406
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 4: and all that stuff, who has the most you know,

1407
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 4: fish that weigh the most or whatever. And there was

1408
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 4: a dude a couple of years ago. I mean, it's

1409
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 4: still resurface to this day. It's crazy. And he's he

1410
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 4: did it in Cleveland. Damn yeah, he did it in Cleveland.

1411
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 4: He was stuffing, he was stuff in weights and and

1412
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 4: fish so that way he could win, like the prize money.

1413
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 3: Listen, somebody got to win in Cleveland. We're trying to

1414
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 3: wed Cleveland, Cleveland, just trying to win. We want to

1415
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 3: win by any means necessary, any means necessary.

1416
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 2: Can you touch office the amount of time he got

1417
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 2: in jail. Yeah, I think he got like ten years.

1418
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 3: Holy god, not just one time he did it though,

1419
01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:59,440
Speaker 3: but yeah, so he went to prison for putting weight

1420
01:06:59,480 --> 01:06:59,919
Speaker 3: in a fish.

1421
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you gotta think about it though. See, but

1422
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:07,680
Speaker 4: you're not getting the whole picture though. It's also tax evasion.

1423
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:10,040
Speaker 1: It's also a whole bunch of other stuff, like.

1424
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 3: You mean, like whining, like winning a tournament. Yeah, when

1425
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:14,560
Speaker 3: you win a tournament like that, So.

1426
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:16,560
Speaker 2: It's not it's not a it's not a six figure tournament.

1427
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 1: It's like a millionaire tournament. It can be yeah damn, yeah, damn, yeah,

1428
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 1: we win a millions.

1429
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:26,240
Speaker 2: I might gotta throw a bisish.

1430
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 4: But yeah, so I guess he's been doing it. He's

1431
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:32,080
Speaker 4: been he's he's done it for like some time. Yeah,

1432
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 4: so that's they just noticed it.

1433
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 3: Yeah he o rs he got back pay pay all

1434
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 3: that ten years though.

1435
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:41,240
Speaker 1: I ready to go do a real it might be

1436
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:43,240
Speaker 1: it might be like yeah or something like that.

1437
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 2: A nickel Nah, I can't do a nickel real get

1438
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 2: your grand theft auto, not about no fish real quick.

1439
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 1: But that's what happens though if you cheat, like because

1440
01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 1: they take it serious.

1441
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:55,800
Speaker 3: Like what I mean, it's like, is he banned now

1442
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:56,160
Speaker 3: or something?

1443
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's so he's banned. He can't life. Oh yeah

1444
01:07:59,040 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 1: he can.

1445
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:01,320
Speaker 3: I don't understand that, but going to jail for it,

1446
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 3: it's crazy.

1447
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 2: He made a mistake doing he like, come on.

1448
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:05,440
Speaker 1: He knew what he was doing. He did it like

1449
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 1: however many times look it up.

1450
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 2: I don't know what he was doing.

1451
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:10,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if he missed.

1452
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess if you're doing more than one time,

1453
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 3: you know what you're doing.

1454
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:20,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess, right, I guess. I don't know. It's

1455
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:21,760
Speaker 1: like if you have more than one kid, you know

1456
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:24,840
Speaker 1: what you're doing. Whoa, I know what I'm doing.

1457
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:30,839
Speaker 3: What I'm doing speaking Yeah, speaking of like the ocean

1458
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 3: and the water. Right, you mentioned that you have a

1459
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 3: surfing background. I think you I was researching something you

1460
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:39,519
Speaker 3: were responsible, like Billabong or Uptick.

1461
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:41,880
Speaker 1: I got offered offered Bill Bong.

1462
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, when I was fourteen, you must have been the

1463
01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:46,920
Speaker 3: first black kid they were trying to cross over.

1464
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 1: Nah.

1465
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:52,640
Speaker 4: Actually uh the Naja Houston a dog not just a

1466
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:54,560
Speaker 4: dog Houston skateboarder.

1467
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy. That's crazy because like I used to

1468
01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:00,679
Speaker 1: I used to skateboard or two.

1469
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:03,479
Speaker 2: And him he was like because he was like, hold on,

1470
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:06,200
Speaker 2: you say when you say skateboarding, you mean like you

1471
01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:08,360
Speaker 2: was doing. Actually the tricks? Are you just riding the

1472
01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:13,400
Speaker 2: skate actual tricks? So kick flipill flip, hardflop, yes, hard flip.

1473
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:15,840
Speaker 3: We're not gonna set up all set up and you

1474
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 3: got you got a skateboard right now?

1475
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:18,120
Speaker 1: Do it inward.

1476
01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:21,400
Speaker 3: Hell, he's different and sound crazy.

1477
01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 1: I don't even know what it is.

1478
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 2: So I'm I'm glad we hear.

1479
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:26,040
Speaker 1: So you must know something about some skateboard.

1480
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 2: Listen, you know I used to watch Ridney Mullen. I

1481
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:29,240
Speaker 2: used to watch all this as a child.

1482
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:31,599
Speaker 1: Right, who's buddy that just got out of jail?

1483
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 2: God, listen, bro, I don't know about no police, I

1484
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 2: don't know about all that.

1485
01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:38,880
Speaker 1: No, no, let's do that. Just got he's a pro skateboarder.

1486
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 1: His name Kevin.

1487
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:45,120
Speaker 2: I haven't watched skate skateboarding in a while, but not

1488
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 2: Tony Hawk left Tony.

1489
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:48,679
Speaker 3: Damn Tony Hawk.

1490
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 2: So growing up right on skateboarding, I know for me,

1491
01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:56,880
Speaker 2: Like my favorite skating group was d g K Dirty

1492
01:09:56,880 --> 01:10:00,800
Speaker 2: Ghetto Kids kids. Right, So will you Element guy?

1493
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:04,880
Speaker 1: Like like I rocked with Element? Yeah? Yeah, that's an

1494
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:09,680
Speaker 1: Element guy. I like Element? Yeah I did? I like

1495
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:16,639
Speaker 1: Element yeah, that's it. The element Super. I like Super.

1496
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:19,719
Speaker 1: Then they came out with the Super Yeah, the Super shoes. Okay, okay,

1497
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:20,040
Speaker 1: he used to.

1498
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:23,720
Speaker 2: Rock with the Super shoes skateboarding I don't but but

1499
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:25,320
Speaker 2: to me, I don't think it was real skateboarding shoes.

1500
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 1: They weren't, but they're just cool. It's like for fashion.

1501
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:30,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like with sb's are now right a real

1502
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 3: skating shoes. Yeah, but I'm saying like the transformation happened

1503
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:36,880
Speaker 3: from from the Supers to the SBS essentially, like that's.

1504
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:40,599
Speaker 2: I think it was Super the bands and then the SB.

1505
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 1: SB has always been around though. I feel like SB

1506
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:47,560
Speaker 1: has been around because they're around with d C s

1507
01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:48,559
Speaker 1: DC shoes.

1508
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, d C was hot, d C.

1509
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:52,920
Speaker 1: D C was the thing. Yeah, it was it was

1510
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:56,840
Speaker 1: it was was DC robbed it that. Yeah, yeah, robbed

1511
01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:57,320
Speaker 1: a great.

1512
01:10:57,720 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 3: He had a great as you know where he's from,

1513
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:00,719
Speaker 3: what from Ohio?

1514
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 2: I didn't know that he is from Ohio.

1515
01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:05,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't know that he's from Ohio.

1516
01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:08,360
Speaker 2: So you were d c's mm hmm.

1517
01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:10,599
Speaker 1: I was waining.

1518
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 3: I was winning G knights that you could see through

1519
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:14,479
Speaker 3: the G night so you can see your side, was

1520
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:19,560
Speaker 3: sweating bogging up. The plastic was bogging up. That was

1521
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:26,120
Speaker 3: rocking them spinners, shi, yeah, I had to make them hes.

1522
01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:33,600
Speaker 2: So I know. We spoke about a surfing right. I

1523
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:37,000
Speaker 2: noticed you love hockey. Yeah, so I got into hockey

1524
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:41,440
Speaker 2: from one of my strength coaches named Ben uh Pittsburgh

1525
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:44,439
Speaker 2: was my team k who was the team and women

1526
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 2: serve Florida Panthers ring back to back to back YouTube.

1527
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:50,360
Speaker 1: We ain't going back.

1528
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:54,599
Speaker 3: We had the playoffs, damn we had like I stopped

1529
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:56,640
Speaker 3: watching it. We had like a three percent chance like

1530
01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:59,120
Speaker 3: all that, Jeff, And you're wrong, no, I know, but

1531
01:11:59,200 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 3: we went back there.

1532
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 1: We don't we want to.

1533
01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:05,559
Speaker 2: You're not the Tampa big Lightning, I say, were one

1534
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:07,439
Speaker 2: of the only team Okay.

1535
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:09,599
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, one of the only one of the only teams.

1536
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 3: I got most the Panther gear right now in my closet.

1537
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:13,240
Speaker 3: Then Miami Dolphin gear.

1538
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:19,320
Speaker 1: So Florida Panthers. Man, so they're big like that. They

1539
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 1: I didn't know that.

1540
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:23,920
Speaker 3: They didn't. Yeah, they them What made you fall over hockey? See, bro,

1541
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:25,960
Speaker 3: like you listen, you understand you black, you do a

1542
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:27,760
Speaker 3: lot of white white. I got introduced you to a

1543
01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:28,599
Speaker 3: lot of white sports.

1544
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:29,840
Speaker 2: This is this is due to me?

1545
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:37,719
Speaker 1: Honestly, you know what, because I have it ain't Yeah.

1546
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:44,320
Speaker 4: No, Honestly my rookie year, I got introduced to hockey. Yeah,

1547
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:48,120
Speaker 4: I went to Florida Panther game and I was like, damn,

1548
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:50,920
Speaker 4: this is it. This is lit like just watching it

1549
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:52,840
Speaker 4: in person, But you gotta go to it.

1550
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:55,720
Speaker 1: You ever been to a live game? You probably, but

1551
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:56,040
Speaker 1: I have.

1552
01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:57,679
Speaker 2: I went to the I went to see the Pittsburgh

1553
01:12:58,000 --> 01:12:58,719
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh player.

1554
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:01,200
Speaker 1: They they're very exciting.

1555
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 4: Bro.

1556
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:05,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're exciting, fast and moving on ice, and I

1557
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:07,920
Speaker 2: really like because you can fight and not go to jail.

1558
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:12,120
Speaker 3: They like they go to the penalty box. Yeah, but

1559
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:15,280
Speaker 3: it's exciting though. I like it, you know what I'm saying.

1560
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:17,840
Speaker 2: They let them, especially have BEF be for a long

1561
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:19,800
Speaker 2: time to get it out the way, get a penalty box,

1562
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:20,640
Speaker 2: you come right back out.

1563
01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:23,640
Speaker 1: So now that's that's the reason why I like it.

1564
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:26,719
Speaker 4: It's a different type of aggression that you get to witness,

1565
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 4: and they're doing it at a fast speed and like

1566
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:32,720
Speaker 4: a smaller rank like a ring.

1567
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:35,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's like DB's and receivers going one on ones

1568
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:38,000
Speaker 3: all day, just doing one on linebackers, running backs just

1569
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:39,000
Speaker 3: doing you have.

1570
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:40,479
Speaker 2: A you have a you have a tried hockey like

1571
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 2: you have put on skates.

1572
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 1: I put on skates before.

1573
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:45,280
Speaker 2: It's difficult, it's a little.

1574
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:47,160
Speaker 4: Tricky if you if you're not doing it every day.

1575
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:50,599
Speaker 4: I mean, it's just like rollerblading. You did roller blading before.

1576
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:54,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of similar to roller blading, but it's

1577
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:55,080
Speaker 1: just on ice.

1578
01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:58,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, being that you were here in Miami and you

1579
01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:02,240
Speaker 3: live here, right, and then when you got a chance

1580
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:04,840
Speaker 3: to play here. But when you play here, did you

1581
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:09,920
Speaker 3: did you? Was that like another bonus? Like like being

1582
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:12,439
Speaker 3: that you live here, you get to see the Dolphins,

1583
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:14,400
Speaker 3: you get to see the heat, you get to see

1584
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:16,360
Speaker 3: you get to go to the Panthers games.

1585
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:18,160
Speaker 1: Like what was that? Like?

1586
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:20,400
Speaker 3: I know, your first two years here, you guys went

1587
01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 3: to the playoffs back to back.

1588
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:24,960
Speaker 1: Obviously it was bro I'll tell you what. Like being

1589
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:26,840
Speaker 1: down in South Florida in general, I mean, you know,

1590
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 1: like that's why you didn't leave been here.

1591
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:34,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, it's nice because everything is like relatively close.

1592
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:36,800
Speaker 1: You got the beat here, do whatever you want.

1593
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:40,320
Speaker 4: But like, you know, sports sports wise, I think that

1594
01:14:40,439 --> 01:14:45,200
Speaker 4: it's like you know, obviously, teams win and lose and stuff.

1595
01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:45,360
Speaker 4: Like that.

1596
01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:46,280
Speaker 1: That's just how it goes.

1597
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:48,519
Speaker 4: But I mean, they have majority of the sports here,

1598
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:52,599
Speaker 4: Like you know, you got enter Miami, they got messy. Yeah,

1599
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:55,920
Speaker 4: I've been to a messy game and that's lit.

1600
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 3: The new stadium about to be lit. Yeah oh yeah,

1601
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:02,200
Speaker 3: oh yeah, okay, yeah yeah, we're in there.

1602
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:06,120
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. But then I mean, and then in general,

1603
01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:08,320
Speaker 1: like golfing, bro, golfing.

1604
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:10,720
Speaker 2: You I like the golf too, So like we talked

1605
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:12,479
Speaker 2: about that, we gotta we gotta, we gotta get into.

1606
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 4: Golfing, got to got to Yeah. So you got golf

1607
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:18,760
Speaker 4: courses all around here and this top notch. And then

1608
01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:21,280
Speaker 4: I think of it like this, like it's easy for

1609
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:23,880
Speaker 4: me to lead the country here yep. Like you got

1610
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:24,880
Speaker 4: the Bahamas right there.

1611
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:27,639
Speaker 1: This is the bro. I can take a thirty minute

1612
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:29,439
Speaker 1: flight to the Bahamas. They don't even serve drinks on

1613
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:31,479
Speaker 1: the plane. You won't even get water.

1614
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:33,680
Speaker 3: Then you take a boat there too.

1615
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:34,519
Speaker 1: You can take a boat there.

1616
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:35,960
Speaker 2: I ain't taking the boat two hours.

1617
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:37,599
Speaker 1: I did it. You did it? Yeah?

1618
01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:39,880
Speaker 3: You fish too, yeah, yeah, I know you did it.

1619
01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 1: Had to fish in nice wahoo? Yeah nice what woho?

1620
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:47,040
Speaker 3: And cook it for you too when you get there.

1621
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:47,840
Speaker 1: About this long.

1622
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:50,519
Speaker 3: They'll cook it, take it off the boat, cook the

1623
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:51,800
Speaker 3: skin it, bone it.

1624
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:54,120
Speaker 1: How you you need to come with me.

1625
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:55,719
Speaker 3: Man, we gotta get Lenny culture.

1626
01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:56,560
Speaker 1: Man, we gotta get you.

1627
01:15:56,920 --> 01:15:58,200
Speaker 2: I fished, but you know, I don't.

1628
01:15:58,320 --> 01:15:58,880
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

1629
01:15:59,000 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 2: I don't do it as much.

1630
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:01,679
Speaker 1: You just new technology.

1631
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:03,760
Speaker 2: I guess I'm older, so I should I should try

1632
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:07,080
Speaker 2: new things, like you said golfing, he said, he old

1633
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:08,240
Speaker 2: thirty one.

1634
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:11,679
Speaker 1: I'm thirty three. How old are you? Thirty three? Yeah?

1635
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:13,519
Speaker 3: You know me and me and he was in the

1636
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:17,960
Speaker 3: same same draft class. Yeah, twenty fourteen. No, I was fifteen,

1637
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:21,120
Speaker 3: you're fifteen. Yeah, he's fifteen, so he's right after me.

1638
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:25,600
Speaker 3: But crazy thinking about your your time in Miami. I

1639
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:27,400
Speaker 3: want to go back to that real quick, think about

1640
01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:30,799
Speaker 3: your time in Miami. Obviously you know we've.

1641
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:32,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got we got on yours.

1642
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:33,040
Speaker 2: We got on yours on the.

1643
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:35,960
Speaker 3: Saw that we didn't get on it, Yes we did,

1644
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:36,680
Speaker 3: Yes we did.

1645
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:37,120
Speaker 1: I don't.

1646
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:37,880
Speaker 3: I didn't feel like that.

1647
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:39,799
Speaker 1: I said somethings.

1648
01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:41,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so let's address it.

1649
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:46,400
Speaker 3: Let's address it. Because what iially what what I initially thought.

1650
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:49,320
Speaker 1: You gotta you gotta go back and listen to that

1651
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:53,320
Speaker 1: sound bit. Yeah, me and Colin. Yeah, because he asked me,

1652
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:54,640
Speaker 1: He asked me, how was it?

1653
01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 4: And I explained that like when you have a coach

1654
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:03,960
Speaker 4: that's nonchalant about everything, it don't really seem like he

1655
01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:05,920
Speaker 4: wants to win, you know what I mean.

1656
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:07,760
Speaker 1: But but but I did.

1657
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:09,599
Speaker 3: I did agree with your point though, But you got

1658
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:12,559
Speaker 3: to kind of know that, like he do want to win, right,

1659
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:15,080
Speaker 3: like because his livelihood is on the line as well,

1660
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:17,519
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And again we spoke about

1661
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 3: this earlier. Coaches chelf life is way longer than players

1662
01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:22,000
Speaker 3: chef life for some reason, and the coach can walk

1663
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:24,200
Speaker 3: off one job and go to another job like like

1664
01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:29,479
Speaker 3: it's nothing. Right. But to that, I want to ask

1665
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:34,800
Speaker 3: you about how was he in Saint Fran because he

1666
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:37,439
Speaker 3: was just quiet, same, same type of coach, right, I

1667
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:41,120
Speaker 3: had two different mics, You had two different MICSA can

1668
01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:43,720
Speaker 3: you tell me? Can you help us understand? So what

1669
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:45,760
Speaker 3: Mike was in sant Fran and what Mike was here

1670
01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:46,160
Speaker 3: in Miami.

1671
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:49,320
Speaker 4: Mike Mike and sant Fran didn't have a role like

1672
01:17:49,439 --> 01:17:51,479
Speaker 4: he did when he was in Miami of court, Yeah,

1673
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:54,800
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like he he didn't get

1674
01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:58,439
Speaker 4: he didn't get to be a play caller like that

1675
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:03,879
Speaker 4: until it's technically his last year. And now I'm assuming

1676
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:08,360
Speaker 4: that's because Shanahan wanted to keep him, you know, so

1677
01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:10,600
Speaker 4: when he comes to Miami, now he gets that that

1678
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:13,760
Speaker 4: free reign to call his own shots, do his own thing,

1679
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:15,200
Speaker 4: and be who he wants to be.

1680
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:18,320
Speaker 1: And it's a joke around the league.

1681
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:21,599
Speaker 4: You got Sam Fran Mike, and he got Miami Mike.

1682
01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:24,080
Speaker 4: You know, when he shows up and he's you know,

1683
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:26,320
Speaker 4: he's dressed in Miami.

1684
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:32,040
Speaker 1: Mike Lorry, Mike Lory. So that's that's that's where that

1685
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:32,599
Speaker 1: came from.

1686
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:35,360
Speaker 4: You know, it was two different two different people, two

1687
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:42,600
Speaker 4: different play colors in essence, but yeah, it was I

1688
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:45,280
Speaker 4: felt I felt you what you said about the culture thing,

1689
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:48,280
Speaker 4: because we had leaders, We have leaders.

1690
01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:49,320
Speaker 1: We had you knows.

1691
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:51,920
Speaker 4: I feel like he would be a guy that brou had,

1692
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:55,920
Speaker 4: you know, Alec and Gold, you know, more of the

1693
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:56,400
Speaker 4: full back.

1694
01:18:56,520 --> 01:18:58,640
Speaker 1: He's more of the guy that you know, wants to

1695
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:00,439
Speaker 1: show you how to be a leader.

1696
01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:02,840
Speaker 4: You know, I'm gonna show you all by my play yep,

1697
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:08,240
Speaker 4: and you have me, you had you know tour. Obviously,

1698
01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:11,719
Speaker 4: you gotta be the leader quarterback Zach Zack Steeler.

1699
01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:16,200
Speaker 3: I think that's a misconception. I personally, I personally think

1700
01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:22,719
Speaker 3: the quarterback doesn't naturally necessarily have to be the leader

1701
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:26,680
Speaker 3: of your team to have success. I feel like I

1702
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:30,040
Speaker 3: feel like and maybe maybe I'll say that then y'all

1703
01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:33,280
Speaker 3: could comment and I'll tell you what I mean afterwards.

1704
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:36,559
Speaker 3: But I feel like a quarterback doesn't necessarily Yeah, obviously,

1705
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:39,240
Speaker 3: he's the person that is taking the brunt of the

1706
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:41,240
Speaker 3: wins and the losses. Right, He's taking the good with

1707
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:43,400
Speaker 3: the good of the wins and the bad of the bad.

1708
01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:45,200
Speaker 3: He's the person that's getting blamed the most. The ball

1709
01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:47,400
Speaker 3: is in his hating the most. He's one of the

1710
01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:49,880
Speaker 3: biggest decision makers outside of the head coach on the

1711
01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:52,800
Speaker 3: team that we have, right, So a lot falls on him, right,

1712
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:56,080
Speaker 3: But you know, you look at I've played with some

1713
01:19:56,160 --> 01:20:00,439
Speaker 3: guys whose personality is not leader, right, And to put

1714
01:20:00,479 --> 01:20:04,240
Speaker 3: that on a quarterback sometimes it's too much pressure. And

1715
01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:07,160
Speaker 3: and but as a job description, though not in the

1716
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:11,920
Speaker 3: job description it comes quarterback, I agree, maybe maybe it does.

1717
01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:15,920
Speaker 2: But I also feel like it Yeah, I feel like

1718
01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:17,240
Speaker 2: it depends because.

1719
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:21,720
Speaker 3: Again, I wouldn't say a guy like I'm just throwing

1720
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:23,120
Speaker 3: the name out there. I could be wrong by this.

1721
01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:23,920
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert.

1722
01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:27,960
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say Justin Herbert is this vocal leader, this,

1723
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:31,240
Speaker 3: this this presence that's on the team, just you know,

1724
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:34,200
Speaker 3: in the locker room getting guys ready on some What

1725
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:37,160
Speaker 3: we know in New Orleans is Drew Brees, you know,

1726
01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:41,280
Speaker 3: like we see the pregame speeches and all that stuff. Right,

1727
01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:44,559
Speaker 3: I think of a leader. I see leader in him, right,

1728
01:20:45,240 --> 01:20:47,679
Speaker 3: and just Justin Herbert, and no offense to Justin Herbert,

1729
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:50,080
Speaker 3: I do not see that type of energy. I'm not

1730
01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:52,400
Speaker 3: in their locker room either. I'm not in their practice facility,

1731
01:20:52,439 --> 01:20:55,400
Speaker 3: so I understand that, right. But I just think that

1732
01:20:57,479 --> 01:21:02,400
Speaker 3: having that other thinger on your plate as a quarterback sometime,

1733
01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:04,880
Speaker 3: if that's not really your personality, it's too much.

1734
01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:05,599
Speaker 2: I think.

1735
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:08,680
Speaker 3: I think that stunts the growth of a lot of

1736
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:12,040
Speaker 3: quarterbacks in this league when you're asking you know him

1737
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:15,080
Speaker 3: to step up and lead guys who you know. And

1738
01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:17,120
Speaker 3: in some case I play with quarterbacks where you know,

1739
01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:19,639
Speaker 3: guys don't respect him enough to have to be able

1740
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:22,840
Speaker 3: to be you know, talking or leading us, you know

1741
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:24,479
Speaker 3: what I mean, Like we ain't trying to follow you bro,

1742
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:28,040
Speaker 3: like you know what I mean. So like that's how

1743
01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:28,760
Speaker 3: I feel about it.

1744
01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:32,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh what you said, I respect it, you know.

1745
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:36,080
Speaker 2: But also when you're putting a team together, right like

1746
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:40,160
Speaker 2: in Tampa twenty twenty, you know, we had leaders everywhere,

1747
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:44,400
Speaker 2: right some day, some games, time or talk some games.

1748
01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:47,519
Speaker 2: I'll talk some day some games, Michael talk some days

1749
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:52,800
Speaker 2: you will talk, right, So it was it was just

1750
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:56,840
Speaker 2: so weird because outside of leadership, like even if you

1751
01:21:56,880 --> 01:22:00,280
Speaker 2: had a situation you had at home, you had a

1752
01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:02,599
Speaker 2: guy on a team that that that probably went through

1753
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:06,479
Speaker 2: the similar situation as you somewhere in that career. So

1754
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:08,519
Speaker 2: you always have someone to talk to, always has to

1755
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:11,679
Speaker 2: want to lead by example, you know, like for instance,

1756
01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:14,400
Speaker 2: Tom was a leader. Right of course he'll get on

1757
01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:16,600
Speaker 2: your ass on the sideline when we're not playing up

1758
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:20,240
Speaker 2: the part where we should play or in some some

1759
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:23,120
Speaker 2: some days when he don't feel like leading.

1760
01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:25,000
Speaker 1: All right, you see he's quiet.

1761
01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:27,280
Speaker 2: Somebody else is gonna pick up the slack, like I'm

1762
01:22:27,320 --> 01:22:28,719
Speaker 2: the one that picked up the slack on the offense

1763
01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:31,840
Speaker 2: for us when we're not playing up the part when

1764
01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:34,800
Speaker 2: you feel like myke, you feel like Tom is trying

1765
01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:37,800
Speaker 2: to first of all, he's trying to put put together

1766
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:40,280
Speaker 2: a game plan for us, trying to help us win.

1767
01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:43,160
Speaker 3: Which is why I think it's a misconception, Like I

1768
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:46,639
Speaker 3: feel like you're putting too much on a quarterback's plate.

1769
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:47,880
Speaker 1: For some of these guys.

1770
01:22:48,520 --> 01:22:52,080
Speaker 3: Like I just think that it's it's it's not helping

1771
01:22:52,160 --> 01:22:54,800
Speaker 3: your team to try to force this guy into a

1772
01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:59,880
Speaker 3: leadership role when he's just trying to do Yeah, Draw

1773
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:01,760
Speaker 3: then plays up. He just trying to make sure he.

1774
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:02,479
Speaker 1: Could do his job.

1775
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:05,160
Speaker 4: I've been I've been in that that realm too. I

1776
01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:07,840
Speaker 4: had Jimmy g the year we went to the super Bowl. Yeah,

1777
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:12,000
Speaker 4: jim Jimmy wasn't He wasn't like a raw rock guy.

1778
01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:15,320
Speaker 4: He was like, I'm shann Anne calls a play. I

1779
01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:18,360
Speaker 4: get my job done, like and I'm gonna try my

1780
01:23:18,479 --> 01:23:21,840
Speaker 4: best to get it done. But then you also had

1781
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:25,920
Speaker 4: guys like me like Debo his his rookie year.

1782
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:27,920
Speaker 1: He had he had to come up. No, we didn't

1783
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:31,639
Speaker 1: have Trent. We had Joe, We had Joe.

1784
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:36,120
Speaker 4: We had Mike person Are starting center, like, we had

1785
01:23:36,160 --> 01:23:39,760
Speaker 4: all these guys that you know Fred when he Fred

1786
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:43,840
Speaker 4: was a young cat Nick nick Bosa, So he was

1787
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:47,759
Speaker 4: he was young we had Sharon, we had Emmanuel Sanders,

1788
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:49,719
Speaker 4: you know, so we had we had leaders.

1789
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:52,519
Speaker 1: But the thing, but what I wanted to.

1790
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:55,920
Speaker 4: Allude to was like when you have leaders like like

1791
01:23:56,240 --> 01:23:59,240
Speaker 4: like we did in Miami that year, we all were snapping.

1792
01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:05,679
Speaker 4: We also had a coach that you know, and even

1793
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:09,559
Speaker 4: at the Niners, like Shanahan, we knew not to mess

1794
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:12,759
Speaker 4: with him. Like guys knew not they knew they couldn't

1795
01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:15,559
Speaker 4: cross him over like that. They knew they couldn't step

1796
01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:17,960
Speaker 4: on toes or you or anything like that. Like we

1797
01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:21,400
Speaker 4: we knew, like that's that's how it was. And that

1798
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:23,479
Speaker 4: was the same thing. I mean when I was talking

1799
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:27,680
Speaker 4: to Damien, same thing. And even with my running back

1800
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:32,439
Speaker 4: coaches past year, d Mac he was at he was

1801
01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:35,600
Speaker 4: at the Chiefs when they won, and he was like

1802
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:37,640
Speaker 4: the same thing with Andy' you know what I mean, Like.

1803
01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:41,280
Speaker 1: Those those guys you just know not to cross those

1804
01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:42,280
Speaker 1: guys that you can't.

1805
01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:48,120
Speaker 4: You can't come out of your and act out come first,

1806
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:51,160
Speaker 4: right like I'm gonna get you up out of here.

1807
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:53,880
Speaker 1: And that wasn't the case in Miami, you know what

1808
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:54,120
Speaker 1: I mean.

1809
01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:56,960
Speaker 2: So it's like, yeah, that's crazy in Miami. Right in Miami,

1810
01:24:57,439 --> 01:24:59,040
Speaker 2: where do you think the ship happened?

1811
01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:03,719
Speaker 3: Like the first two years y'all went to the playoffs.

1812
01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:06,320
Speaker 4: Crazy, yeah, first two years. First two years we went

1813
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:10,400
Speaker 4: to the playoffs. I think is complacency after that, like

1814
01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:11,040
Speaker 4: I can do this.

1815
01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:18,400
Speaker 3: Players are coaching both hm hmmm, both.

1816
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:19,360
Speaker 1: Both both for real?

1817
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:23,680
Speaker 4: Both Yeah yea, Because like I mean, I feel like

1818
01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:29,519
Speaker 4: like those those years we had bro we had the talent,

1819
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:31,280
Speaker 4: we had you know, I mean, it was just like

1820
01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:34,200
Speaker 4: y'all in Cleveland. Yeah, y'all had the talent. The defense

1821
01:25:34,360 --> 01:25:36,840
Speaker 4: was stout. Yeah, you know what I mean. So like

1822
01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:40,120
Speaker 4: I just felt like it was just a little bit

1823
01:25:40,200 --> 01:25:43,560
Speaker 4: of complacency. But then also like we're also trying to

1824
01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:47,240
Speaker 4: make up for past times because think about this, like

1825
01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:50,879
Speaker 4: we didn't go to the playoffs and win a playoff

1826
01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:51,960
Speaker 4: game in twenty some years.

1827
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:54,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was one of one of those teams exactly.

1828
01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:57,960
Speaker 4: So you know, with the GM trying to you know,

1829
01:25:58,160 --> 01:26:01,479
Speaker 4: recoup what he's done in the past and trying to

1830
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:03,200
Speaker 4: try to figure it out because you know, he's on

1831
01:26:03,320 --> 01:26:04,000
Speaker 4: his last leg.

1832
01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:06,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean. So it's like a

1833
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:08,120
Speaker 1: cumulative of everything.

1834
01:26:08,240 --> 01:26:12,080
Speaker 4: But I feel like when you with the head coach,

1835
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:14,599
Speaker 4: you know, and and I don't. I don't want Look,

1836
01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:17,280
Speaker 4: I'm a thirty three year old running back who's played it.

1837
01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:18,920
Speaker 4: I don't need a mo I don't need somebody in

1838
01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:21,439
Speaker 4: MFM me and telling me what to do, especially head

1839
01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:24,160
Speaker 4: coach because I'm probably talk to him sideways.

1840
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:25,600
Speaker 1: Too, you know what I mean. Like, Look, I'm a

1841
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:27,080
Speaker 1: grown man. I pay bill just like you.

1842
01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:28,880
Speaker 4: I don't need you to talk to me like that,

1843
01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:33,639
Speaker 4: but I do need somebody that I players can respect.

1844
01:26:34,160 --> 01:26:36,679
Speaker 4: You know, respect go a long way. And I feel

1845
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:39,600
Speaker 4: like that was there was a lack of respect just

1846
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:45,639
Speaker 4: because he didn't he didn't put any emphasis on trying

1847
01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:49,080
Speaker 4: to show respect to players or at least try to

1848
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:53,160
Speaker 4: demand respect, because no boundaries. Yeah, like if you got

1849
01:26:53,240 --> 01:26:55,960
Speaker 4: guys that you know cussing coaches out on the sideline,

1850
01:26:56,439 --> 01:26:59,360
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, But not just one time,

1851
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:02,040
Speaker 4: you know, numerous times, or even put hands on the coach.

1852
01:27:02,720 --> 01:27:04,640
Speaker 1: Come on, that's different now, you know what I mean?

1853
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:08,320
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, I mean it depends on who the guy is. Now, Like,

1854
01:27:08,439 --> 01:27:11,360
Speaker 3: let's be honest. If we if we're talking about.

1855
01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:14,519
Speaker 1: Ain't gonna happen with Cheetah Bell talking about.

1856
01:27:16,200 --> 01:27:18,200
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. But I'm saying, I'm saying right, like,

1857
01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:22,560
Speaker 3: like I do think everybody have their shelf life or

1858
01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:24,519
Speaker 3: whatever it is, and it's only so much at a

1859
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:27,200
Speaker 3: certain point of coaches gonna take or organization is gonna

1860
01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:29,799
Speaker 3: take before they're like, you know what, this guy's a problem,

1861
01:27:29,960 --> 01:27:32,559
Speaker 3: Like we have to get them out of here any

1862
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:33,959
Speaker 3: way by any means necessary.

1863
01:27:34,120 --> 01:27:34,240
Speaker 1: Right.

1864
01:27:34,360 --> 01:27:36,439
Speaker 3: But also I think that there's a time in most

1865
01:27:36,479 --> 01:27:40,640
Speaker 3: players career where they ego is so centered on like

1866
01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:43,160
Speaker 3: their talent and what they know they bring to the team.

1867
01:27:43,320 --> 01:27:45,559
Speaker 3: Like you're saying, with that lack of respect or boundary

1868
01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:48,320
Speaker 3: is drawn, right, they cross the line more times than not.

1869
01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:48,800
Speaker 1: Right.

1870
01:27:49,240 --> 01:27:55,759
Speaker 3: I can remember having Sean Jefferson my U when Adam

1871
01:27:55,800 --> 01:27:57,360
Speaker 3: Gase came to the Dolphins. I want to say this

1872
01:27:57,479 --> 01:28:00,599
Speaker 3: is twenty sixteen, right, twenty seventeen, right when the year

1873
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:07,479
Speaker 3: after Philbin was fired, and I remember feeling like damn,

1874
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:09,519
Speaker 3: like I'm a team guy, I'm about to step in,

1875
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:13,920
Speaker 3: I'm coming into my own I'm a pro bowler at

1876
01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:17,759
Speaker 3: this point. And I remember him coming into the receiver

1877
01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:21,360
Speaker 3: meeting and at that time we had Davante Parker, Kenny Steals,

1878
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:28,920
Speaker 3: Brandon Gibson, Brian Hartline who else was there, Mike Wallace.

1879
01:28:29,320 --> 01:28:31,880
Speaker 3: I believe he had just left me actually, and we

1880
01:28:32,040 --> 01:28:36,479
Speaker 3: finished our we finished our receiver meeting, and before he

1881
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:39,639
Speaker 3: let everybody out, he said, everybody stays hold on one second.

1882
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:44,479
Speaker 3: And he had my jersey in the meeting room. He

1883
01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:47,680
Speaker 3: pulled my jersey up and he said he looked at me.

1884
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:50,800
Speaker 3: He said, you play for this team on the front,

1885
01:28:52,520 --> 01:28:56,880
Speaker 3: not this name on the back. And I was like okay,

1886
01:28:57,680 --> 01:29:01,680
Speaker 3: And he essentially gave me a whole spiel of of

1887
01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:04,680
Speaker 3: that hard coaching, just chewing my ass out that like,

1888
01:29:05,000 --> 01:29:06,840
Speaker 3: you know, this is about this room, this is about

1889
01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:09,559
Speaker 3: the team. It's not just about you. And I remember

1890
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:12,360
Speaker 3: crying as a twenty four or five year old man

1891
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:15,480
Speaker 3: thinking to myself and me and him had this conversation,

1892
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:20,040
Speaker 3: thinking to myself like like why like like I'm a

1893
01:29:20,200 --> 01:29:23,160
Speaker 3: I'm a team guy, right I I I buy all

1894
01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:25,320
Speaker 3: my guys stuff during the off season, like like you

1895
01:29:25,400 --> 01:29:27,120
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like people come in, they got

1896
01:29:27,160 --> 01:29:29,600
Speaker 3: their little gift baskets whatever it is. I'm buying the

1897
01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:32,880
Speaker 3: whole team stuff, like you know, no no sign of

1898
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:37,680
Speaker 3: me has showed that, Like I'm this selfish player right right.

1899
01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:41,360
Speaker 3: And I think that we had a guy like I said,

1900
01:29:41,439 --> 01:29:45,240
Speaker 3: Devonte Parker, that in in a in a way that

1901
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:48,640
Speaker 3: I've watched receivers. I'm not just alluding to DeVante, but

1902
01:29:48,720 --> 01:29:52,040
Speaker 3: I watched receivers or I watch players be coached by

1903
01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:55,680
Speaker 3: coaches that sometimes like miss the mark we like with

1904
01:29:55,800 --> 01:30:01,080
Speaker 3: their point sometimes and it like takes their confidence way, right.

1905
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:05,879
Speaker 3: And I think when I was mentioning that in response

1906
01:30:05,960 --> 01:30:08,800
Speaker 3: to what you said, I had that in mind as well,

1907
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:11,840
Speaker 3: like I had my little trauma in there as well,

1908
01:30:11,960 --> 01:30:13,800
Speaker 3: and then I had to had the thought of, like

1909
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:19,320
Speaker 3: I've watched coaches just be sticklers and and just be

1910
01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:21,640
Speaker 3: like you said, laid on the hammer, right, Like I

1911
01:30:21,760 --> 01:30:24,919
Speaker 3: watched coaches do that, and like it's ruined like players'

1912
01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:28,360
Speaker 3: careers because it's they don't they lose their confidence, like

1913
01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:31,680
Speaker 3: all of their confidence is shot. And now he go

1914
01:30:32,240 --> 01:30:35,080
Speaker 3: out there, he can't catch a ball. He playing on eggshells,

1915
01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:37,679
Speaker 3: He not playing fast, right, because if I make a mistake,

1916
01:30:38,120 --> 01:30:39,760
Speaker 3: then I'm never getting in the game again. Or if

1917
01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:41,920
Speaker 3: I make a mistake, like he's gonna curse me out

1918
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:45,240
Speaker 3: in front the whole team, right. So I guess what

1919
01:30:45,360 --> 01:30:47,320
Speaker 3: I was answering in response to that was just like

1920
01:30:48,160 --> 01:30:50,720
Speaker 3: I feel you and I didn't. But I didn't know

1921
01:30:50,760 --> 01:30:53,479
Speaker 3: the whole situation either, right, And I said that too.

1922
01:30:53,960 --> 01:30:58,280
Speaker 3: I didn't know like what actually was going on. I

1923
01:30:58,360 --> 01:31:01,640
Speaker 3: didn't know people would fighting coaches Curson coaches out, you

1924
01:31:01,720 --> 01:31:02,240
Speaker 3: know what I mean.

1925
01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:05,559
Speaker 4: That's and it's like and I was trying to explain

1926
01:31:05,640 --> 01:31:09,280
Speaker 4: it to him like this, like, but it's like a

1927
01:31:09,400 --> 01:31:12,120
Speaker 4: hierarchy in the football world.

1928
01:31:12,240 --> 01:31:12,360
Speaker 1: Right.

1929
01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:16,880
Speaker 4: You got the owners who are like your billionaires. I'm

1930
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:20,160
Speaker 4: gonna break it all down in different categories.

1931
01:31:20,280 --> 01:31:22,600
Speaker 1: Right, you got the owners that are like the billionaires, the.

1932
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:27,680
Speaker 4: Wealthiest of wealth, right, they run anything and everything they

1933
01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:29,160
Speaker 4: could do, right, they got that.

1934
01:31:29,439 --> 01:31:31,519
Speaker 1: Then you got the GM who is like you know,

1935
01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:33,120
Speaker 1: they're multi millionaires.

1936
01:31:33,200 --> 01:31:36,960
Speaker 4: They they're the ones that got you know, they got

1937
01:31:37,000 --> 01:31:40,000
Speaker 4: a little bit more leeway and they they free reign,

1938
01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:42,360
Speaker 4: you know, they work with the billionaires.

1939
01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:45,439
Speaker 1: Then you got your head coach who is more of like.

1940
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:50,160
Speaker 4: He's more like your president, right, Like he's the one

1941
01:31:50,200 --> 01:31:52,680
Speaker 4: that makes sure is the country's running, right, you know,

1942
01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:56,439
Speaker 4: the scene being seen and you know, he's the ones

1943
01:31:56,479 --> 01:31:59,320
Speaker 4: that's truly the face of an organization because the billionaire

1944
01:31:59,320 --> 01:32:00,120
Speaker 4: don't really get seen.

1945
01:32:00,280 --> 01:32:02,200
Speaker 1: Like that, right that he just has the title of

1946
01:32:02,280 --> 01:32:05,080
Speaker 1: ownership and the money the GM. Yeah, and the GM

1947
01:32:05,320 --> 01:32:09,160
Speaker 1: is like, you know, one above the president. So then

1948
01:32:09,280 --> 01:32:10,280
Speaker 1: you have your classes.

1949
01:32:10,360 --> 01:32:14,240
Speaker 4: You have you know, your your upper class, middle class,

1950
01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:16,400
Speaker 4: lower class, and I look at it like, you know,

1951
01:32:16,439 --> 01:32:19,640
Speaker 4: you got your veterans, higher paid guys. Those are the

1952
01:32:19,720 --> 01:32:23,360
Speaker 4: ones that are upper class. Your middle class is like

1953
01:32:23,400 --> 01:32:25,400
Speaker 4: the blue collar. You know, they trying to get to

1954
01:32:25,479 --> 01:32:28,280
Speaker 4: the upper class. They they on their contracts. You know,

1955
01:32:28,360 --> 01:32:30,479
Speaker 4: they're really trying to work it out. And you got

1956
01:32:30,520 --> 01:32:35,040
Speaker 4: your lower class, which is like you know, practice squadies, rookies,

1957
01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:37,599
Speaker 4: you know, the free agents, and they trying to figure

1958
01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:40,519
Speaker 4: out they still need you know, you got in between us.

1959
01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:45,000
Speaker 4: But if you if you're the president, you got to

1960
01:32:45,080 --> 01:32:50,320
Speaker 4: oversee everything. But you have to delegate your governors, which

1961
01:32:50,400 --> 01:32:54,040
Speaker 4: is your coaches. Your coaches are your governors, like of

1962
01:32:54,160 --> 01:32:57,880
Speaker 4: the of the states, right, so the coaches have to

1963
01:32:59,040 --> 01:33:02,560
Speaker 4: see what's going on too if that ain't working, and

1964
01:33:02,680 --> 01:33:05,120
Speaker 4: then the gum and all that, how you expect the

1965
01:33:05,160 --> 01:33:08,880
Speaker 4: players to run, you know, and now just like what's

1966
01:33:08,920 --> 01:33:12,760
Speaker 4: going on in some countries when lower middle class they

1967
01:33:13,000 --> 01:33:15,840
Speaker 4: ride against the upper class and upper class, you know,

1968
01:33:16,040 --> 01:33:19,400
Speaker 4: they they gel together. You got your in betweeners that's

1969
01:33:19,439 --> 01:33:22,200
Speaker 4: doing riots and everything like that. Bro, It's just like

1970
01:33:22,439 --> 01:33:25,639
Speaker 4: it's just like like the economics, you have everything else,

1971
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:30,880
Speaker 4: and when that's the upper tier, the coaches and all that,

1972
01:33:31,080 --> 01:33:35,080
Speaker 4: when they're not hitting the right cylinders, it trickles down

1973
01:33:35,160 --> 01:33:38,120
Speaker 4: everything else, you know. And then some guys they just

1974
01:33:38,200 --> 01:33:41,840
Speaker 4: want to be nonchalant about stuff. They we're gonna be

1975
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:44,160
Speaker 4: late to meetings and we're gonna.

1976
01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:47,080
Speaker 1: Do that, this, that and the other. That's how you lose.

1977
01:33:47,240 --> 01:33:49,760
Speaker 1: That's that's the reason why. I mean, like you said

1978
01:33:49,840 --> 01:33:52,920
Speaker 1: you had Tom Brady. I know Tom shit Tom.

1979
01:33:53,200 --> 01:33:54,920
Speaker 4: I mean I was with I was talking to him,

1980
01:33:55,160 --> 01:33:57,400
Speaker 4: you know, multiple times last year when he when he

1981
01:33:57,479 --> 01:33:59,720
Speaker 4: was at the Raiders. I know Tom don't play no

1982
01:33:59,760 --> 01:34:02,240
Speaker 4: boy ship, you know what I mean. But that's that's

1983
01:34:02,320 --> 01:34:05,000
Speaker 4: because that type of person. But then at the same time,

1984
01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:08,240
Speaker 4: I also had Jimmy G. Jimmy Jimmy G was right

1985
01:34:08,360 --> 01:34:11,920
Speaker 4: underneath time when they won a championship, So he knows.

1986
01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:12,479
Speaker 1: What it looks like.

1987
01:34:13,320 --> 01:34:16,920
Speaker 4: He's not he's not as vocal as Tom, but he

1988
01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:19,439
Speaker 4: could be a leader too. Same thing with two to

1989
01:34:19,600 --> 01:34:23,479
Speaker 4: it to as a leader too. But he's a quieter leader.

1990
01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:26,720
Speaker 4: He's more of I'm with the bros, like I'm I'm

1991
01:34:26,840 --> 01:34:29,360
Speaker 4: the bro leader. I'm not worried about what the coaches

1992
01:34:29,400 --> 01:34:32,599
Speaker 4: and them saying, like it's us we battling on the field.

1993
01:34:33,240 --> 01:34:35,000
Speaker 1: We we out there, you know what I mean.

1994
01:34:35,120 --> 01:34:41,240
Speaker 2: So I guess like before we end, you know, And

1995
01:34:41,479 --> 01:34:45,280
Speaker 2: that's probably my last question for you, you know, and

1996
01:34:45,400 --> 01:34:47,320
Speaker 2: you see you know the young guys where they go

1997
01:34:47,400 --> 01:34:49,639
Speaker 2: throughing life, you know, depression and everything.

1998
01:34:50,560 --> 01:34:52,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, you know it said out there.

1999
01:34:52,439 --> 01:34:54,599
Speaker 2: And my question for you is, like, you know, when

2000
01:34:54,720 --> 01:34:55,960
Speaker 2: was the last time you felt lost?

2001
01:34:58,040 --> 01:35:00,599
Speaker 1: Last time I felt lost? Man?

2002
01:35:00,720 --> 01:35:03,640
Speaker 4: Honestly, to be honest with you, and I don't. I

2003
01:35:03,680 --> 01:35:06,880
Speaker 4: don't like to I don't even like to say it

2004
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:10,479
Speaker 4: like this, but I haven't felt lost, you know, I haven't.

2005
01:35:10,880 --> 01:35:13,240
Speaker 4: I Mean, the only time I felt lost is when

2006
01:35:13,240 --> 01:35:15,679
Speaker 4: I lose somebody that's close to you know, mental health,

2007
01:35:15,800 --> 01:35:18,840
Speaker 4: like Ron deal Moore, Like I knew he was a

2008
01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:20,800
Speaker 4: little bro like you know what I mean. So like

2009
01:35:21,760 --> 01:35:24,240
Speaker 4: just the fact that that happened and I wasn't able

2010
01:35:24,320 --> 01:35:27,400
Speaker 4: to even extend my arm and in my hand out

2011
01:35:27,439 --> 01:35:27,920
Speaker 4: to even.

2012
01:35:27,760 --> 01:35:30,080
Speaker 1: Have a conversation with him or even check up on them.

2013
01:35:30,120 --> 01:35:33,160
Speaker 1: You know. It kind of that right there? Is me

2014
01:35:33,320 --> 01:35:36,360
Speaker 1: feeling lost just the fact that I can't help somebody

2015
01:35:36,439 --> 01:35:39,599
Speaker 1: that I know, you know what I mean. So that's tough.

2016
01:35:39,800 --> 01:35:43,800
Speaker 1: It's it's definitely, and it's happening more often now than there.

2017
01:35:45,280 --> 01:35:47,960
Speaker 4: And I wonder, I wonder why. I want to know why,

2018
01:35:48,280 --> 01:35:52,519
Speaker 4: you know, dudes are doing you know, harmed themselves in

2019
01:35:52,600 --> 01:35:55,760
Speaker 4: that regard just because I mean, you would have thought,

2020
01:35:56,080 --> 01:35:58,760
Speaker 4: you know, these guys would have been okay just by

2021
01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:01,519
Speaker 4: you know, they face, the way they act, the way

2022
01:36:01,560 --> 01:36:04,479
Speaker 4: they act, the way they move around, but you don't know.

2023
01:36:04,600 --> 01:36:05,800
Speaker 1: And I hate that.

2024
01:36:06,360 --> 01:36:08,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I gotta I gotta thought on that.

2025
01:36:09,760 --> 01:36:10,240
Speaker 1: I remember.

2026
01:36:10,720 --> 01:36:14,920
Speaker 3: I remember, as my transition was kind of happening, I

2027
01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:18,160
Speaker 3: remember reaching out to you and I don't know if

2028
01:36:18,200 --> 01:36:20,280
Speaker 3: this was the case first for for some guys that

2029
01:36:20,439 --> 01:36:23,599
Speaker 3: are unfortunately not with us anymore, right, but I remember

2030
01:36:23,680 --> 01:36:29,000
Speaker 3: reaching out to pastors. I remember reaching out to former players,

2031
01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:33,120
Speaker 3: players that had similar trajectories, similar things that were happening.

2032
01:36:33,880 --> 01:36:39,519
Speaker 3: And I still have text messages and screenshots of how

2033
01:36:39,600 --> 01:36:41,880
Speaker 3: many people said, like, bro, I'm gonna lock in with you,

2034
01:36:42,400 --> 01:36:45,800
Speaker 3: I'm gonna check on you, and never did YEA like

2035
01:36:45,960 --> 01:36:48,640
Speaker 3: some of some people that like we know, like like

2036
01:36:48,760 --> 01:36:50,720
Speaker 3: we personally know you know what I mean, but like

2037
01:36:50,840 --> 01:36:52,880
Speaker 3: and they know when they see this, they know, right.

2038
01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:57,320
Speaker 3: And I say that to say that there is a

2039
01:36:57,439 --> 01:37:01,479
Speaker 3: point throughout this journey, even for me, someone that that

2040
01:37:01,800 --> 01:37:04,880
Speaker 3: that five time pro boiler that has played the game

2041
01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:07,920
Speaker 3: at a high level for a long time, right that, Like, man,

2042
01:37:07,960 --> 01:37:12,040
Speaker 3: I had wild thoughts, wild thoughts, I'm reaching and again

2043
01:37:12,240 --> 01:37:15,519
Speaker 3: and on top of that, you know you you reaching

2044
01:37:15,560 --> 01:37:18,880
Speaker 3: out to people for help. Look yeah, like you just

2045
01:37:18,960 --> 01:37:20,800
Speaker 3: reaching out like man, Like bro, if you come chop

2046
01:37:20,840 --> 01:37:23,400
Speaker 3: it out with me for a few thirty minutes, Bro,

2047
01:37:23,439 --> 01:37:25,720
Speaker 3: if you could just get me through the day. Bro,

2048
01:37:25,800 --> 01:37:28,240
Speaker 3: if you could just you know, high let me real quick,

2049
01:37:28,320 --> 01:37:29,760
Speaker 3: come see me? Man, can I come see you?

2050
01:37:30,320 --> 01:37:33,439
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like and all some funny stuff.

2051
01:37:33,479 --> 01:37:36,920
Speaker 2: Either it's just like yeah, bro, bro, I need, yeah,

2052
01:37:37,240 --> 01:37:38,559
Speaker 2: I need, I need something.

2053
01:37:38,840 --> 01:37:41,880
Speaker 4: And I feel like I hate to cut you off,

2054
01:37:41,920 --> 01:37:44,280
Speaker 4: but I feel I feel like you know, when when

2055
01:37:44,360 --> 01:37:46,679
Speaker 4: something like that occurs, or like when a guy's thinking

2056
01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:50,360
Speaker 4: like that, like that should be a moment for you

2057
01:37:50,439 --> 01:37:52,280
Speaker 4: as an eye opener, like you should be like you

2058
01:37:52,320 --> 01:37:55,599
Speaker 4: know what, No, Okay, my brother need me, My brother

2059
01:37:55,680 --> 01:37:57,519
Speaker 4: need me, like my you know what, my family could

2060
01:37:57,520 --> 01:38:00,439
Speaker 4: wait like my kids, like, you know, now, come on,

2061
01:38:00,560 --> 01:38:02,320
Speaker 4: let's go bro where you want to go eat, Let's

2062
01:38:02,720 --> 01:38:04,320
Speaker 4: let's let's chop it up, you know what I mean.

2063
01:38:04,520 --> 01:38:07,439
Speaker 4: And sometimes I feel like you're scared though, you're scared

2064
01:38:07,439 --> 01:38:09,840
Speaker 4: to ask for help too, And that's that's that's the

2065
01:38:09,920 --> 01:38:12,880
Speaker 4: big problem though, that's the big problem that's going around,

2066
01:38:13,080 --> 01:38:16,360
Speaker 4: Like guys are afraid to ask for help. So for

2067
01:38:16,479 --> 01:38:18,439
Speaker 4: you to like step up and be like, you know,

2068
01:38:18,479 --> 01:38:20,479
Speaker 4: I've reached out the pastors, I reached out to, you know,

2069
01:38:20,800 --> 01:38:23,800
Speaker 4: the people that I thought could be in my corner.

2070
01:38:23,880 --> 01:38:28,320
Speaker 1: That at least that gives you some type of self

2071
01:38:28,360 --> 01:38:31,000
Speaker 1: aware that you know that, hey, look, I did reach

2072
01:38:31,040 --> 01:38:31,679
Speaker 1: out to this person.

2073
01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:34,040
Speaker 2: I did my part even at like something is wrong,

2074
01:38:34,240 --> 01:38:36,200
Speaker 2: Like I'm trying to figure I was wrong. Yeah, yeah,

2075
01:38:36,920 --> 01:38:38,799
Speaker 2: not gonna honestly say this too, you know, just speaking

2076
01:38:38,840 --> 01:38:40,760
Speaker 2: on him, like when I was there with him when

2077
01:38:40,800 --> 01:38:43,439
Speaker 2: he was going through his tough times, right man like,

2078
01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:46,080
Speaker 2: And we all go to our own battles everybody out

2079
01:38:46,120 --> 01:38:48,679
Speaker 2: in the world, you know, we try to we figure

2080
01:38:48,680 --> 01:38:50,120
Speaker 2: out in our here is we're the only ones going

2081
01:38:50,160 --> 01:38:54,200
Speaker 2: through this situation where there's several people that's probably going

2082
01:38:54,240 --> 01:38:57,120
Speaker 2: through the same thing but not worse. But they don't

2083
01:38:57,120 --> 01:38:59,800
Speaker 2: have options or to open up to nobody, to talk

2084
01:38:59,840 --> 01:39:02,560
Speaker 2: to talk to anybody, right, Like I always told you

2085
01:39:02,600 --> 01:39:06,040
Speaker 2: all was like, you know, God can turn the impossible

2086
01:39:06,080 --> 01:39:10,000
Speaker 2: till possible quickly, you know. And that's and and I

2087
01:39:10,040 --> 01:39:11,680
Speaker 2: think that's one of the biggest things that kind of

2088
01:39:12,240 --> 01:39:15,160
Speaker 2: saved me. And I told you here before we got him, like, man, listen,

2089
01:39:15,960 --> 01:39:18,639
Speaker 2: you have a brother and me like, and I'm I'm

2090
01:39:18,680 --> 01:39:20,560
Speaker 2: the type of person I might have shit going on,

2091
01:39:20,960 --> 01:39:24,840
Speaker 2: but every they could tell you this, any guy that

2092
01:39:25,240 --> 01:39:27,360
Speaker 2: that that's not planned that I know, like you know,

2093
01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:31,400
Speaker 2: like Ezekiel, Like even when UBJ was going through him bro,

2094
01:39:31,840 --> 01:39:34,800
Speaker 2: I wrote them as many times like it don't matter,

2095
01:39:35,400 --> 01:39:37,799
Speaker 2: you know, I wrote them each and every time their

2096
01:39:37,920 --> 01:39:41,320
Speaker 2: their name came across my Instagram or if I had

2097
01:39:41,360 --> 01:39:43,360
Speaker 2: their number, I text him, Yeah, I might be blowing

2098
01:39:43,400 --> 01:39:45,639
Speaker 2: you up or you know, you might be going through

2099
01:39:45,640 --> 01:39:47,920
Speaker 2: a situation where you aggravated, but I want you to

2100
01:39:48,160 --> 01:39:50,160
Speaker 2: like I care, like you know what I'm saying, Like

2101
01:39:50,720 --> 01:39:54,400
Speaker 2: I care because I went through the same situation where

2102
01:39:55,080 --> 01:39:57,400
Speaker 2: was nobody was hitting me up right, and I know

2103
01:39:57,520 --> 01:40:01,880
Speaker 2: how it felt obviously so empty, So so you know what,

2104
01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:04,240
Speaker 2: you know what, let me let me go help my

2105
01:40:04,400 --> 01:40:07,599
Speaker 2: brothers out and see what they need while I'm fighting

2106
01:40:07,640 --> 01:40:10,240
Speaker 2: my own battle. Let me make sure they have somebody

2107
01:40:10,320 --> 01:40:13,120
Speaker 2: to help them with their battle. Right And that's just

2108
01:40:13,200 --> 01:40:15,160
Speaker 2: not for football players, for everybody out there in the

2109
01:40:15,200 --> 01:40:18,360
Speaker 2: world who's gone through something that you know, I just said,

2110
01:40:18,600 --> 01:40:21,639
Speaker 2: God can make it impossible possible, so you're not going

2111
01:40:21,680 --> 01:40:24,559
Speaker 2: through it along whether you think it or not. Sometimes

2112
01:40:24,600 --> 01:40:26,840
Speaker 2: you gotta know when to get on your knees and pray,

2113
01:40:27,560 --> 01:40:31,000
Speaker 2: you know, Like that's that's one of the biggest things.

2114
01:40:31,240 --> 01:40:33,560
Speaker 2: I've always believed in God. But like when I was

2115
01:40:33,640 --> 01:40:37,439
Speaker 2: going through it over like constantly leaning onto my own understanding,

2116
01:40:37,600 --> 01:40:40,639
Speaker 2: not God's. I'm like, man, listen it just you know what, God,

2117
01:40:41,200 --> 01:40:46,559
Speaker 2: I'm surrendering all my problems, the not sleeping at night,

2118
01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:48,760
Speaker 2: you know, I'm leaving it in your hands and not

2119
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:50,960
Speaker 2: my own. And that's when I kind of had to understand,

2120
01:40:51,040 --> 01:40:51,920
Speaker 2: like a right, Lenna, like.

2121
01:40:52,640 --> 01:40:56,240
Speaker 1: It's not your battle. It is not your battle. How

2122
01:40:56,280 --> 01:40:58,160
Speaker 1: hard we think it is, we just on our own.

2123
01:40:58,360 --> 01:41:01,519
Speaker 1: It's not so never on your own, for sure.

2124
01:41:01,760 --> 01:41:04,760
Speaker 4: That's that's what people are realized, like you never really

2125
01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:08,160
Speaker 4: on your own and and you got so much, so

2126
01:41:08,320 --> 01:41:11,920
Speaker 4: much purpose, Like God put us all here for a

2127
01:41:11,960 --> 01:41:13,719
Speaker 4: reason to have purpose.

2128
01:41:14,680 --> 01:41:18,800
Speaker 1: What's your purpose? It's not and it's not to give up.

2129
01:41:19,040 --> 01:41:22,400
Speaker 2: I guess it's not. In the reality is it's not

2130
01:41:22,520 --> 01:41:25,840
Speaker 2: football and it's not This is just a stepping stone

2131
01:41:25,880 --> 01:41:29,200
Speaker 2: to where that's what it is, where you want to

2132
01:41:29,240 --> 01:41:31,519
Speaker 2: be in life and your purpose is right you know,

2133
01:41:32,400 --> 01:41:33,960
Speaker 2: I've always told you all was like the reason why

2134
01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:37,960
Speaker 2: I wanted to do this podcast to get God's word

2135
01:41:38,040 --> 01:41:40,680
Speaker 2: out there more. That's and and when you say to

2136
01:41:40,760 --> 01:41:42,960
Speaker 2: the problem is, that's what where a lot of young

2137
01:41:43,000 --> 01:41:46,080
Speaker 2: guys are missing. You know, Like sometimes you got to

2138
01:41:46,120 --> 01:41:48,880
Speaker 2: take time out your day thirty minutes read your Bible. Man,

2139
01:41:49,080 --> 01:41:52,519
Speaker 2: Like every situation you're dealing with life, it has it

2140
01:41:52,600 --> 01:41:54,360
Speaker 2: in the Bible. I didn't know that until I had

2141
01:41:54,400 --> 01:41:56,080
Speaker 2: to go through what I went through in life. Like

2142
01:41:56,720 --> 01:41:57,320
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.

2143
01:41:57,920 --> 01:42:01,240
Speaker 1: I even say, like take you know, ten to fifteen

2144
01:42:01,280 --> 01:42:04,880
Speaker 1: minutes just to breathe, disconnect. Yeah, just close your eyes

2145
01:42:04,920 --> 01:42:08,560
Speaker 1: and breathe. That goes a long way. Like I like me,

2146
01:42:09,760 --> 01:42:12,920
Speaker 1: I do the Bible. I read. I try to find

2147
01:42:12,920 --> 01:42:15,559
Speaker 1: the scripture or whatever that that's tailored to what I'm

2148
01:42:15,640 --> 01:42:16,120
Speaker 1: going through.

2149
01:42:16,640 --> 01:42:18,479
Speaker 4: But then also I like to go to the ocean.

2150
01:42:19,320 --> 01:42:22,479
Speaker 4: That's that's like my little mechanism. That's how I that's

2151
01:42:22,520 --> 01:42:25,000
Speaker 4: how I can cope with like anything that's stressful. If

2152
01:42:25,040 --> 01:42:26,600
Speaker 4: I just close my eyes and hear the sound of

2153
01:42:26,680 --> 01:42:27,320
Speaker 4: a wave.

2154
01:42:28,240 --> 01:42:32,080
Speaker 1: That's how I know I'm that's all I need. Try that.

2155
01:42:32,280 --> 01:42:32,519
Speaker 1: Try it.

2156
01:42:32,680 --> 01:42:34,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're gonna do that too, matter of fact, go

2157
01:42:35,040 --> 01:42:38,599
Speaker 4: next next time. It'll be even better. Do it when

2158
01:42:38,640 --> 01:42:43,960
Speaker 4: it's like a sunset, sunset, here the waves, close your eyes,

2159
01:42:44,400 --> 01:42:45,599
Speaker 4: try to even find a hammock.

2160
01:42:45,640 --> 01:42:48,439
Speaker 1: Bro asleep, you'll be you'll be shot the water fall

2161
01:42:48,479 --> 01:42:53,679
Speaker 1: asleep in the water by the water, not in the water,

2162
01:42:54,160 --> 01:42:54,639
Speaker 1: in the water.

2163
01:42:54,720 --> 01:42:58,960
Speaker 4: But yeah, find a hammock or something that's relaxing. Get

2164
01:42:59,040 --> 01:43:02,240
Speaker 4: on the beach on sunset, close your eyes and just

2165
01:43:02,520 --> 01:43:04,360
Speaker 4: just block out everything.

2166
01:43:04,479 --> 01:43:07,760
Speaker 1: You'll block everything, y'all besides that ocean, the ocean. You'll

2167
01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:09,840
Speaker 1: hear the waves crashing on that shore line. You'll be

2168
01:43:09,960 --> 01:43:11,080
Speaker 1: like hit at home.

2169
01:43:11,800 --> 01:43:14,280
Speaker 2: If you have an ocean by you. If you don't

2170
01:43:14,320 --> 01:43:16,400
Speaker 2: have an ocean, final pine, you have a pine, final

2171
01:43:16,479 --> 01:43:21,120
Speaker 2: link destroy rock and yes, figure it out, but no, bro,

2172
01:43:21,240 --> 01:43:23,439
Speaker 2: we for this outh, Bro, We'll appreciate you.

2173
01:43:23,800 --> 01:43:28,360
Speaker 1: Appreciate chacking the time you'll want that. Let me know

2174
01:43:28,960 --> 01:43:33,120
Speaker 1: I'm up the road for sure. You know the link up.

2175
01:43:33,760 --> 01:43:38,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, fishing, fishing move But now bro, yeah, thank you

2176
01:43:38,240 --> 01:43:42,760
Speaker 2: man on your your journey. Now, you know, I don't

2177
01:43:42,760 --> 01:43:44,360
Speaker 2: know if you're trying to get in the lead or not.

2178
01:43:44,880 --> 01:43:45,640
Speaker 3: Or no I am.

2179
01:43:45,800 --> 01:43:48,240
Speaker 1: I'm trying one more year. We'll see what'sh your luck

2180
01:43:48,280 --> 01:43:50,640
Speaker 1: on that. But if you don't, you know, I'm gonna come.

2181
01:43:50,680 --> 01:43:51,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call y'all.

2182
01:43:52,840 --> 01:43:54,320
Speaker 4: I don't want to get in that state with y'all

2183
01:43:54,400 --> 01:43:58,320
Speaker 4: talking about I know y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all suited, so

2184
01:43:58,880 --> 01:43:59,479
Speaker 4: y'all right for it.

2185
01:43:59,479 --> 01:44:01,280
Speaker 1: I appreciate job, man, Thank you boy, thank you.

2186
01:44:01,439 --> 01:44:04,519
Speaker 3: Appreciate good luck surviving the offseason football fans.

2187
01:44:05,720 --> 01:44:10,240
Speaker 1: At first, I was afraid. I was petrified. Football is O.

2188
01:44:10,520 --> 01:44:13,880
Speaker 3: It's like a part of me just died inside two.

2189
01:44:13,920 --> 01:44:15,639
Speaker 1: Hundred these two foot bowls back.

2190
01:44:15,920 --> 01:44:18,400
Speaker 2: But tonight I won't just cry because I've got.

2191
01:44:18,320 --> 01:44:19,160
Speaker 1: Al ways to play.

2192
01:44:19,800 --> 01:44:21,559
Speaker 3: And that's the basement, hard rock bed.

2193
01:44:21,800 --> 01:44:25,240
Speaker 1: I we survived, offered by this stiment. I'll try before

2194
01:44:25,280 --> 01:44:26,920
Speaker 1: that must be twenty one plus and physically president in

2195
01:44:26,920 --> 01:44:28,400
Speaker 1: Florida to wage. Your terms of conditions apply.

2196
01:44:28,479 --> 01:44:29,920
Speaker 3: If you are someone you know as a family problem,

2197
01:44:29,960 --> 01:44:31,599
Speaker 3: please call one eight three three play wise