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<v Speaker 1>The good news is there's a big win for conservatives

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<v Speaker 1>at the Supreme Court. The other good news there's a

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<v Speaker 1>big win for conservatives in the culture at the box office.

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<v Speaker 1>But the bad news is squish Republicans are caving two

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats up on Capitol Hill on the Second Amendment. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the co host of this show has just come from

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<v Speaker 1>voting on that legislation. This is Verdict with Ted Cruz.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Michael Knowles, Senator. You have just come from Capitol

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<v Speaker 1>Hill just voting on this big gun control legislation. There

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<v Speaker 1>seems to be a compromise between a bunch of Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>and the Democrats. What happened, Well, I just voted about

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<v Speaker 1>an hour ago on the initial vote, the motion to

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<v Speaker 1>proceed to take up the legislation. Now, the statutory tax

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<v Speaker 1>texts they rolled out just a couple of hours ago,

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<v Speaker 1>so we're still in the process of studying the details

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<v Speaker 1>of what they laid out. But all the Democrats voted

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<v Speaker 1>for it, and fourteen Republicans voted for it. So the

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<v Speaker 1>vote was sixty four to thirty four. They needed sixty

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<v Speaker 1>to proceed, so they get They got there with fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans and that's going to consume this week the debate

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<v Speaker 1>on that bill. I think it is safe to say

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<v Speaker 1>you are not one of the fourteen Republicans who voted

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<v Speaker 1>to proceed with this legislation. That is safe, And actually

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<v Speaker 1>I printed out the fourteen who are So if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to know the fourteen who are it is Blunt, Burr, Capita, Cassidy, Collins, Cornin,

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<v Speaker 1>Ernst Graham, McConnell, Murkowski, Portman, Romney, Tillis, and Young. Those

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<v Speaker 1>were the fourteen Republicans who voted. Yes, wish I could

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<v Speaker 1>say that I were surprised, Senator, but I'm not. You

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<v Speaker 1>know that obviously you've named a lot of the moderates

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<v Speaker 1>and the people who often do go over with the

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats here. But that's a big not fourteen is a

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<v Speaker 1>big number. Well, it's a combination of the moderate to

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<v Speaker 1>liberal Republicans combined with Republican leadership, combined with the Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>who are retiring, and that's sort of the ace and

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<v Speaker 1>the whole for leadership. As the folks who are retiring,

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<v Speaker 1>you're never going to face the voters again, that they're

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<v Speaker 1>likely going to go be lobbyists in town. And so

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<v Speaker 1>suddenly they have all sorts of votes that the people

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<v Speaker 1>who elected them would prefer they wouldn't take. But since

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<v Speaker 1>they're not on the ballot anymore, they vote differently than

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<v Speaker 1>they would otherwise. You know, it's it's actually it's a

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<v Speaker 1>similar manifestation in the Senate. You've got six year terms

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a common phenomenon. We're two out of every

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<v Speaker 1>six years people grow a backbone or a conservative and

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<v Speaker 1>those happen to me the two years they're on the ballot,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the other four years they're not on the ballot,

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<v Speaker 1>they transmogrify into very very different senators until the last

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<v Speaker 1>two years when they're back on the ballot, when suddenly

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<v Speaker 1>they become conservative again. And unfortunately, it's kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>merry go round of of who are the chunk of

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans on the ballot that will stand steady. The retiring

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans it's an even worse problem because then they feel

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<v Speaker 1>little to no accountability to the voters who sent them there.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is still being worked out right now, just

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<v Speaker 1>in broad strokes. How bad is it? You know, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know the full details, As I said, they just

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<v Speaker 1>rolled out the statutory text right before we voted on it,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a typical Capitol Hill strategy. So I'll study

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<v Speaker 1>the details more and know it. There's some elements that

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<v Speaker 1>are fairly unobjectionable in terms of funding for things like

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<v Speaker 1>school safety that everyone agrees with. The most problematic elements

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<v Speaker 1>I think concern red flag laws. Red flag laws that

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<v Speaker 1>there's funding to incentivize states to pass red flag laws,

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<v Speaker 1>red flag laws or proceedings whereby you can strip guns

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<v Speaker 1>from law abiding citizens. And in a number of states,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly Blue Democrats states, they're very very low thresholds for

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<v Speaker 1>doing so. There's very little protection of due process. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it poses a real problem if somebody is

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<v Speaker 1>unhappy with you, Michael, if you have a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>someone who's mad at you, a disgruntled coworker, a jilted

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<v Speaker 1>ex girlfriend, what have you. Red flag laws, particularly without

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<v Speaker 1>serious due process protections, can provide an avenue for that

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<v Speaker 1>person unhappy with you to go behind your back and

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<v Speaker 1>take away your Second Amendment rights to protect yourself. Because

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<v Speaker 1>in that case, the red flag is not you know,

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<v Speaker 1>some raving lunatic who's making direct threats, who says I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna kill you. I'm gonna kill you. The red flag

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<v Speaker 1>simply could be you are a conservative, you are a Republican,

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<v Speaker 1>you voted for someone that I don't, You've said something

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<v Speaker 1>that I disagree with. The red flag could be you,

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<v Speaker 1>And in that case, to deprive someone of a constitutional

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<v Speaker 1>civil right would seem to be a huge overreach. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>and I will say this, look that they were negotiating

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<v Speaker 1>back and forth between the Republicans and Democrats on the

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<v Speaker 1>exact language. And so I haven't read the statutory language yet.

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<v Speaker 1>I will read it this week before we vote on

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<v Speaker 1>the final bill. This was the initial vote just to

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<v Speaker 1>take it up. So I'll study the details. But there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of there's a lot of variants in the details.

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<v Speaker 1>The devil is in the detail on this. And so

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<v Speaker 1>for example, some of the formulations they were talking about

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<v Speaker 1>keyed off of whether someone was a quote mental defective.

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<v Speaker 1>That's some language that actually is in federal law right now.

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<v Speaker 1>It's sort of an different era. We don't don't tend

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<v Speaker 1>to speak much in terms of things like mental defective.

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<v Speaker 1>But if the threshold is low, I look, there are

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<v Speaker 1>estimates that something like twenty percent of Americans have some

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<v Speaker 1>form of mental illness. You know, I joked at lunch

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<v Speaker 1>last week that it seems to me serving in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States Congress should be prima facia evidence of mental illness.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you think about schools, how many kids are

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<v Speaker 1>diagnosed with ADHD, how many kids are medicated on prozac

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<v Speaker 1>or riddle in or something else. And if the threshold

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<v Speaker 1>is low, that there's a hyperactive fifteen year old who

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<v Speaker 1>gets a diagnosis and gets medicated and you have a

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<v Speaker 1>gun grabbing Blue Stith that says, Okay, well, guess what,

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<v Speaker 1>You've just lost your right to keeping bare arms for

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of your life. I think that's obviously unconstitutional

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<v Speaker 1>and would be striking struck down by any court following

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<v Speaker 1>the law. But in the meantime, it's a real problem.

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<v Speaker 1>And so my view on guns and crime generally is

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<v Speaker 1>there's a right approach and a wrong approach. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's an interesting story. Are you for here with Project Exile? No,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not okay. So Project Exile was something that was

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<v Speaker 1>created during the Bill Clinton Justice Department, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>created in Richmond, Virginia, in the Eastern District of Virginia,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was the US attorney there laid out and said,

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<v Speaker 1>we are going to prosecute anyone who commits a violent

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<v Speaker 1>crime with a gun. We're gonna go after them under

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<v Speaker 1>federal law. We're gonna lock them up in jail with

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<v Speaker 1>a mandatory minimum sentence, and we're going to let people know.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna let people know if you knock over a

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<v Speaker 1>liquor store and you're a felon. If you're a felon

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<v Speaker 1>in possession of a firearm, that carries a mandatory minimum

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<v Speaker 1>settence under federal law, but typically the Feds don't prosecute it.

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<v Speaker 1>Project Exile says you commit a crime with a firearm,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to jail, you're doing hard time, and they

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<v Speaker 1>advertise it. They put up billboards in Richmond in Virginia,

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<v Speaker 1>carry a gun, do hard time. And Richmond had one

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<v Speaker 1>of the highest murder rates in the country, and the

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<v Speaker 1>Feds started anytime you brought a gun to a crime boom,

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<v Speaker 1>you got prosecuted, and the murder rates plummeted, and you

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<v Speaker 1>started seeing criminals that would literally go knock over a

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<v Speaker 1>liquor store, go do a home invasion, and they leave

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<v Speaker 1>their gun at home because they'd say, if I take

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<v Speaker 1>a gun, I'm doing serious federal time. If you want

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<v Speaker 1>to stop crimes, that's the sort of program that works.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a great point. Obviously, we all agree that we

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<v Speaker 1>should take guns away from criminals and people who have,

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<v Speaker 1>in some objective way been seemed to be too dangerous

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<v Speaker 1>to have a gun. We shouldn't just go along with

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<v Speaker 1>some program to exploit a shooting or a tragedy as

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<v Speaker 1>a way to advance generally unrelated gun control measures that

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats have been pushing for a while. Not too late

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<v Speaker 1>to stop this kind of thing. Let's hope that the

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<v Speaker 1>squishes toughen up a little bit here and back off

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<v Speaker 1>of this and listen to this podcast. That's the bad

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<v Speaker 1>news that the squishes are going along with the Dems here.

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<v Speaker 1>There is quite a lot of good news in the culture, though.

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<v Speaker 1>I really want to get to the Supreme Court case,

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<v Speaker 1>which the Left has lost their mind over. They've now

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<v Speaker 1>said that this is a nearly fatal blow to the

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<v Speaker 1>separation of church and state. Before that, though, I do

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<v Speaker 1>have to do a little bit of gloating on the

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<v Speaker 1>culture front. There was a big cultural win here. We

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<v Speaker 1>sort of predicted it on this show. It's the get woke,

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<v Speaker 1>go broke prediction. We talked last time about how people

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to see toys and cartoon characters engaging in

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<v Speaker 1>all sorts of eccentric sexual activities and kissing and pushing

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<v Speaker 1>the woke sexual revolutionary agenda. And then over the weekend

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<v Speaker 1>light Year, which made a big show of having a

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<v Speaker 1>lesbian toy kiss in it. Light Year bombed at the

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<v Speaker 1>box office. They were expecting a global box office of

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred thirty five million dollars. What did it come to?

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was eighty something million. And then the

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<v Speaker 1>domestic box office was way below predictions at fifty one

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars. Did you, senator, did you take the air

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<v Speaker 1>out of the gay toys? That's a question I've never

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<v Speaker 1>gotten before. Listen. I will say this. I do think

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<v Speaker 1>it's amazing how the Verdict podcast seems to be driving Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 1>At our campus live tour in Alabama, we talked about

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<v Speaker 1>how Disney wanted Mickey and Pluto to go at it,

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<v Speaker 1>and liberals brains exploded, and apparently the showrunners for Light

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<v Speaker 1>Years said, hey, what a great idea. Let's have lesbian

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<v Speaker 1>toys get it on. And you know they got a

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<v Speaker 1>little Berry White and with his deep boys, let's get

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<v Speaker 1>it on. And then last week on Verdict, we said

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<v Speaker 1>this is terrible. Leave the kids alone. You said, we

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to see uh eccentric sex with with with

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<v Speaker 1>kids or toys. Let me take out the word eccentric.

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<v Speaker 1>How about no sex like kids and toys. And by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, I will say leftists really lost their minds

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<v Speaker 1>because last week we talked about do we really need

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<v Speaker 1>lesbian toys and cartoons? And leftist like the phrase lesbian

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<v Speaker 1>toys that I really think they're tiny, little walnut sized

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<v Speaker 1>brains broke that that apparently they're supposed to go on

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<v Speaker 1>these these cultural rampages and we're not supposed to notice. Ye,

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<v Speaker 1>and not only that, we're all supposed to quietly shut

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<v Speaker 1>up and take our kids. Well, you know what, there

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<v Speaker 1>were very few kids movies at the box office this

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<v Speaker 1>past weekend. It was Father's Day. You want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about a good time to take your kids to the movies.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think there were a whole bunch of Americans

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<v Speaker 1>that said, you know what, I can think of something

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<v Speaker 1>better to do than listen to Hollywood lecture my six

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<v Speaker 1>year old on their views of sexuality. How about just

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<v Speaker 1>to have a fun like the Toy Story films are awesome. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but it speaks volumes that while light Year was getting

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<v Speaker 1>his ass kicked, the kicker was Tom Cruise and Maverick

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<v Speaker 1>in Top Gune, a straight up patriotic conservative. We love

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<v Speaker 1>Americans beat the bad guys like the contrast is night

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<v Speaker 1>and day, and Hollywood is so knuckleheaded that they seem

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<v Speaker 1>unable to get the message. Maybe they will, because look,

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<v Speaker 1>there's tens, if not hundreds of millions of dollars delta

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<v Speaker 1>between those two. Maverick's been out for several weeks and

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<v Speaker 1>it's still obliterated light Year. Somebody depositing the checks ought

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<v Speaker 1>to notice that they certainly should. That this is what

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<v Speaker 1>the left does to so many institutions. Is as you say,

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<v Speaker 1>Toy Story is a great movie. It's a great friend.

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<v Speaker 1>I love Toy Story one. I liked Toy Story two.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really remember Toy Story three or if there

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<v Speaker 1>was a four, but they were good movies. And by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, Tim Allen was fantastic. Tim Allen was fantastic.

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<v Speaker 1>Then they yanked him out of this movie. And so

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<v Speaker 1>people look at it and they say, well, we like

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<v Speaker 1>these movies. And then the radicals go in and they say, oh, look,

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<v Speaker 1>we've got these really popular movies and institutions. Let's go

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<v Speaker 1>in and in a really heavy handed way, in a

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<v Speaker 1>very didactic and obvious way, let's go in and use

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<v Speaker 1>the things that people love to push our radical political agenda,

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<v Speaker 1>which is completely superfluous and irrelevant to the story. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really pleased to see that the American parents and

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<v Speaker 1>moviegoers said, oh, no, thank you. Yeah, we like toy story.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't like you using the things that we love

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<v Speaker 1>to push your radical agendas. So no thanks. And let

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<v Speaker 1>me make a point also, Michael, this is also not

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<v Speaker 1>about so the left like saying things like the Florida

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<v Speaker 1>law was don't say gay. You're right, it's actually not

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<v Speaker 1>about that. And I'll give an example on the counter. So,

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<v Speaker 1>Hollywood usually is so willing to chase the dollar that

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<v Speaker 1>they're craven when it comes to China, and they're willing

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<v Speaker 1>to censor movies because China wants them too. And one

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<v Speaker 1>great example of that is Bohemian Rhapsody. Bohemian Rhapsody, I

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<v Speaker 1>think was a fantastic movie. I really enjoyed that. It

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<v Speaker 1>was very well done. China insisted that they edit Bohemian

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<v Speaker 1>Rhapsody to cut out the scene showing Freddie Mercury was gay, which,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, is insane. How do you tell Freddie

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<v Speaker 1>Mercury's life story and leave out that he's gay. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a big damn part of his life. And Bohemian

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<v Speaker 1>Rhapsody is not being marketed to six year olds. It

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<v Speaker 1>Bohemian Rhapsody was an R rated movie. It was four adults.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the story of an credible artists that was

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<v Speaker 1>entirely appropriate. You know, Rocketman about Elton John. You wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>tell Elton John's life story and leave out that he's gay.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's it's an integral part of who he is.

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<v Speaker 1>What made the light Year Antics so dismaying. It was

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<v Speaker 1>entirely gratuitous. It was meant it was targeted at kids,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was meant to say, this is what we

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<v Speaker 1>want to convey to you, little children. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of the parents are saying, leave our kids alone,

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<v Speaker 1>and and and let us discuss sex and sexuality with

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<v Speaker 1>our kids at a time and age that is appropriate,

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<v Speaker 1>not what you If we can't even take him to

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<v Speaker 1>Disney movies, what can we take him to? Right? Stop

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<v Speaker 1>stop forcing this. I love that point it was. It

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<v Speaker 1>was so gratuitous, superfluous, irrelevant to the plot of Toy Story,

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<v Speaker 1>was so heavy handed and on the nose. And I

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<v Speaker 1>like that that the the gamble from the left didn't

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<v Speaker 1>pay off, that the moviegoers are not so infatuated with

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<v Speaker 1>Toy Story that they were willing to go to the

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<v Speaker 1>movies and just allow the left to go in and

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<v Speaker 1>hollow out their stories to push their own radical agenda.

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<v Speaker 1>So there was a big one at the box office.

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<v Speaker 1>There was also apparently a big win for conservatives at

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<v Speaker 1>the Supreme Court. This isn't the case that Carson versus Making.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a case up in Maine on religious liberty.

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<v Speaker 1>That would seem to be what's the case about. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's a terrific, terrific victory for religious liberty. So the

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<v Speaker 1>state of Maine has a tuition assistance program, and then

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<v Speaker 1>there's some parts of Maine that are very rural where

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<v Speaker 1>they don't actually have public schools up and running, and

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<v Speaker 1>so the state provides tutition assistance for you to send

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<v Speaker 1>your kids to whatever schools are there, to whatever private

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<v Speaker 1>schools are there, particularly in smaller communities where you don't

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<v Speaker 1>have the resources of a big public school. But Maine

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<v Speaker 1>excluded religious schools. Said you can send your kids somewhere,

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<v Speaker 1>but if it's a religious school, or as they called it,

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<v Speaker 1>a sectarian school, which means they actually believe in faith,

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<v Speaker 1>believe in God, and teach something about God, then you're

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<v Speaker 1>not eligible. And so the plaintiffs in this case challenge

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<v Speaker 1>that and said, look, you're discriminating against my free exercise

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<v Speaker 1>of religion. And I want to choose to send my

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<v Speaker 1>kid to a religious school, and you're discriminating against faith

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<v Speaker 1>and religion. And the Supreme Court six three So Chief

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<v Speaker 1>Justice Roberts wrote the opinion and concluded that it violated

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<v Speaker 1>the Constitution to discriminate against religious schools when otherwise they

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<v Speaker 1>would qualify, they met all the other criteria. If they

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<v Speaker 1>just stopped as pesky references to God, they would get

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<v Speaker 1>the state money. But if they insist you say God, Nope,

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<v Speaker 1>no money. And the Supreme Court said, sorry, you can't.

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<v Speaker 1>If it's an equally applicable program that everyone else can get,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't discriminate against people of faith and school rules

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<v Speaker 1>of faith just because they're exercising their First Amendment rights

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<v Speaker 1>and their religious liberty rights. I think it is a

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<v Speaker 1>great victory for religious liberty for everyone. But it's also

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<v Speaker 1>a great victory for school choice, and both of those

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<v Speaker 1>I think are incredibly important. Now, what are conservatives supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to say when they hear the liberal justices on the

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<v Speaker 1>Court and a lot of people in the liberal media

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<v Speaker 1>complaining that this is an outrageous attack on the American

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<v Speaker 1>tradition of the separation between church and state. Well, there

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<v Speaker 1>are a lot of things they should say. First of all,

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<v Speaker 1>the words separation of church and state are found nowhere

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<v Speaker 1>in the Constitution. They're not in the Constitution, they're not

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<v Speaker 1>in the Bill of Rights, they're not in the Declaration

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<v Speaker 1>of Independence. That's not there. The phrase a wall of

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<v Speaker 1>separation between church and state comes from a letter that

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas Jefferson wrote to the Danbury Baptist So it's a

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<v Speaker 1>private correspondence is where that phrase is taken from. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's not actually the law. And what is the law

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<v Speaker 1>is the First Amendment. And the First Amendment has two

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<v Speaker 1>religious liberty clauses. It has the establishment clause that prevents

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<v Speaker 1>Congress from establishing a religion, and it has the free

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<v Speaker 1>exercise clause that prevents Congress and prevents government from restricting

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<v Speaker 1>the free exercise of religion. And there are two different

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<v Speaker 1>interpretations of what the establishment clause mean. Liberals interpret it

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<v Speaker 1>as saying that essentially government must be hostile to religion,

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<v Speaker 1>that government must treat religion as something bad. That's where

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<v Speaker 1>you get the phrase wall of separation of church and

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<v Speaker 1>state is church bad. I think that's a complete misreading

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<v Speaker 1>of what the establishment clause is about. The establishment clause

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<v Speaker 1>was about preventing government from controlling churches, preventing government from

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<v Speaker 1>controlling faith. Both the establishment Clause and free exercise clause

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<v Speaker 1>work hand in hand. Well, this actually leads into one

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<v Speaker 1>of the mail bag questions that we got. We've been

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<v Speaker 1>extremely derelict on taking mail bag questions, so I do

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<v Speaker 1>want to get through a few of them before we go.

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<v Speaker 1>And this was on this case and on the question

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<v Speaker 1>of religious liberty. This is from Zachary who says, if

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<v Speaker 1>the Satanic Temple starts private schools that your tax dollars

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<v Speaker 1>will pay for, will you? Conservatives regret the Supreme Court decision,

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<v Speaker 1>so we're happy about it now. I think this is

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<v Speaker 1>a great ruling. And obviously I don't think that the

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<v Speaker 1>Christian school should be discriminated against, and I'm very in

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<v Speaker 1>favor of school choice. But what happens if the Satanic Temple,

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<v Speaker 1>which is as it's a little different than the outright

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<v Speaker 1>the Satanists down on their knees, they're kind of ironic Satanists.

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<v Speaker 1>And we could debate further whether one can be an

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<v Speaker 1>ironic Satanist or if you end up kind of being

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<v Speaker 1>a sincere one either way. But what if they started

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<v Speaker 1>school and they say, Okay, we've got the Satan's school,

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<v Speaker 1>and your tax dollars are going to go for that is? One,

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<v Speaker 1>would that follow from the support case? And two should

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<v Speaker 1>we support it? So yes, it would follow, and should

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<v Speaker 1>we support it? Well, let me answer it by making

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<v Speaker 1>an observation. I don't maintain today that federal student loans,

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<v Speaker 1>federal pell grants should be disallowed from going to Yale University.

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<v Speaker 1>So why should I say they shouldn't go to the

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<v Speaker 1>Satanic temple they're teaching? Is much garbage at Yale, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and for that matter, of my alma maters, Princeton at Harvard.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't don't particularly mean to single out Yale.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a really good point on I'm sorry to say,

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<v Speaker 1>on my alma mater, and yours too, and probably most

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<v Speaker 1>schools at this point in the country. Is if you

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<v Speaker 1>had a school that was teaching the tenets of Satanism

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<v Speaker 1>and then you had any old run of the mill

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<v Speaker 1>public or otherwise nambr nambrand school, what would the difference be.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure that if it were a blind test,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure you could identify them. So Michael, let

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<v Speaker 1>me give you an example. A tenured professor at Princeton

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<v Speaker 1>is a guy named Peter Singer. Peter Singer is a

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<v Speaker 1>very left wing ethicist who, among other things, has argued

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<v Speaker 1>not only is easy in favor of abortion on demand,

0:25:14.440 --> 0:25:16.840
<v Speaker 1>which a lot of people in the left are, he's

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<v Speaker 1>argued in favor of infanticide up until age six. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a fair bet that Professor Singer could could make

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<v Speaker 1>some of the some of the more moderate Satanists blush.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a very important point. And there's a phrase you

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<v Speaker 1>rarely hear more moderate Satanists. So this question. I got

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of questions this week with lots of salty language,

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<v Speaker 1>but this is a family show, so I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>clean it up a little bit. This was one of

0:25:41.200 --> 0:25:43.520
<v Speaker 1>the more eloquently written ones, gets back to what we

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<v Speaker 1>were talking about at the top of the show. This

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<v Speaker 1>is from Josh. Why are there so many worthless Rhino Republicans? Currently?

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<v Speaker 1>And it's not obviously this guy and other people are

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<v Speaker 1>complaining about this, but it is a real tactical Republican question,

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<v Speaker 1>which is why are there so many Rhinos? Why are

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<v Speaker 1>there so many people when it seems that there is

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<v Speaker 1>so much wind at the backs of the Conservatives because

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<v Speaker 1>we don't do a good enough job in primaries on

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<v Speaker 1>insisting on and finding strong conservatives with proven records. Listen,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm on the road NonStop between now and election day.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll probably be on the road thirty forty days between

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<v Speaker 1>now in the November election, campaigning for candidates for the Senate,

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<v Speaker 1>campaigning for candidates for the House. Look, I'll give you

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<v Speaker 1>an example. So we had primary elections tonight, in multiple races. Yesterday,

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<v Speaker 1>I campaigned for a candidate in Northern Virginia, Yes Lee Vega. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>Lee Vega is, and she won tonight. So I did

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<v Speaker 1>two rallies for yesterday. She won tonight. So Yes, Le Vegas,

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<v Speaker 1>I think a fantastic candidate. She's running in a Democrat district.

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<v Speaker 1>You have Abigail Spanberg, who's the incumbent. Yes. Lee is

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<v Speaker 1>the daughter of immigrants from El Salvador. Her brother was

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<v Speaker 1>nearly killed by MS thirteen. He was badly wounded by

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<v Speaker 1>MS thirteen. She knows firsthand the perils of illegal immigration.

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<v Speaker 1>She's a cop. In fact, she's a three time cop.

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<v Speaker 1>She's been a member of two police forces, and she's

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<v Speaker 1>now a deputy sheriff. She is the wife of an

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<v Speaker 1>army soldier. She is the daughter of a pastor. Her

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<v Speaker 1>dad is a pastor right now in Maryland. She is

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<v Speaker 1>the mom of two teenage kids. And she is a

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<v Speaker 1>fantastic candidate. Now, when she jumped in this race, no

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<v Speaker 1>one thought she had a prayer. All the money was

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<v Speaker 1>on the other side. I sat down, I met with her.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, you're a star. Endorsed her, campaigned for she

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<v Speaker 1>was trailing yesterday. She just won today. That's encouraging. We

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<v Speaker 1>don't do that enough. And there's a structural problem. Listen,

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<v Speaker 1>Republican leadership in both the Senate and House, they want members.

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<v Speaker 1>Their number one criterion is a member who will be obedient,

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<v Speaker 1>who will just do what leadership says. And the dirty

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<v Speaker 1>little secret is if you have someone who's going to

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<v Speaker 1>rock the boat, who's going to be a rebel, leadership

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<v Speaker 1>would rather a Democrat get elected than a pain in

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<v Speaker 1>the neck conservative who will buck leadership. If you're a

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<v Speaker 1>middle of the road, squishy mod they'll flood you with

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<v Speaker 1>cash because you'll be obedient, you'll do what leadership wants.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're a pain in the neck conservative, they'll do

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<v Speaker 1>everything they can to kill you. And so listen, if

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<v Speaker 1>you want stronger conservatives, then you've got to get involved

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<v Speaker 1>in the primary process and get behind people who will

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<v Speaker 1>follow through on what they say. Not only are you

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<v Speaker 1>hanging around trying to gum things up on Capitol Hill

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<v Speaker 1>while the squishes are to give away our Second Amendment rights.

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<v Speaker 1>Not only are you going around the country raising lots

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<v Speaker 1>of money for the good conservative candidates, but not only

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<v Speaker 1>are you doing this show, coming straight and doing this.

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<v Speaker 1>But Senator, we can't let you go because you are

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<v Speaker 1>sticking around for the verdict plus community to discuss even

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<v Speaker 1>more on the cloak room with Liz Wheel or Liz

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<v Speaker 1>what are you going to talk about him? Michael High, Senator,

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<v Speaker 1>we are going to get into some really nitty gritty

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<v Speaker 1>legal stuff. So we're all waiting with bated breath for

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<v Speaker 1>the dab's decision. Right, is roeb Wade going to be overturned?

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<v Speaker 1>Did Chief Justice John Roberts convince somebody else to join

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<v Speaker 1>him in not overturning roev Wade. We're waiting for this.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems like it's going to be at the last minute.

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<v Speaker 1>But the Democrats meanwhile are preparing their arsenal of what

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to do in response to Roe v. Wade

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<v Speaker 1>being overturned, what tactics they're going to use, and so

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to dive into some of the legalities of

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<v Speaker 1>some of their ideas because a couple of their suggestions,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure are against the law. So if you'd

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<v Speaker 1>like to join us for this conversation, it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>It's really going to be a great discussion. I'm very

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<v Speaker 1>excited about it. And Michael, let me jump in for

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<v Speaker 1>a second and take people behind the behind the curtain

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<v Speaker 1>and get in a little bit of the sausage making

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<v Speaker 1>of how we do Cloakroom. So before we do the podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>every week, Michael, you and I get on a conversation

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<v Speaker 1>with our producer and we talk about what topics we

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<v Speaker 1>want to have and sort of roughly lay out Okay, tonight,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to talk about the gun stuff, and we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk about light Year, and we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the Spring Court case. This just happens on

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<v Speaker 1>Capitol Hill. On this we gotta hit this right. So

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<v Speaker 1>we do a prep call and it's a loose prep call.

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<v Speaker 1>We kind of just roughly have topics and then then

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<v Speaker 1>get into it. But it's interesting Cloakroom the way we've done,

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<v Speaker 1>and it just sort of arisen organically every episode when

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<v Speaker 1>you turn to Liz and say, Liz, what are we

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<v Speaker 1>get a discussed on cloak Room? If you cut to

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<v Speaker 1>me and asked me, I have utterly no idea. So

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<v Speaker 1>when Liz comes on, she's coming up with these topics

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<v Speaker 1>and she sort of has a mandate of fine, interesting, esoteric,

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<v Speaker 1>deep dive legal topics. And I gotta say she's phenomenal

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<v Speaker 1>at coming up. She's come up with some really good topics.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm sitting here every week, I don't know, let's

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<v Speaker 1>hear And sometimes if it's really esoteric, Liz and I

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<v Speaker 1>will have a brief like she'll forward me some if

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<v Speaker 1>she wants to talk about a particular case that I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't read recently, she'll forward it to me and I'll

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<v Speaker 1>reread it quickly. But it is an interesting process because

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<v Speaker 1>we've had some really good deep dives on cloak Room

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<v Speaker 1>of ideas that Liz has that she springs on me

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<v Speaker 1>out of nowhere and we jump into him. This week

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<v Speaker 1>on cloak Room will be discussing the airspeed velocity of

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<v Speaker 1>an unladen swallow. Well, I can't wait. I can't wait

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<v Speaker 1>to hear the topic and so I don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>do any preparation at all. It's you're in the hot seat,

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<v Speaker 1>Senator Liz. You've got all the prep. We will see

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