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Speaker 1: Monday Morning Podcast. John Middlecoff, former NFL scout, has all

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Speaker 1: sorts of good stuff, some inside stuff, and the Niners

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Speaker 1: and the Raiders, the TUA potential move by the Miami Dolphins.

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Speaker 1: I want to start by talking about Jake Paul his

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Speaker 1: split decision win over Tyron Woodley. I had predicted he

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Speaker 1: would win. I thought he would win third or fourth round.

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Speaker 1: Woodley almost knocked out Jake Paul in the fourth, which,

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Speaker 1: if you watch it, you're seeing a legitimate fighter. Nobody

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Speaker 1: thinks Jake Paul is a great fighter. He's a legitimate fighter.

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Speaker 1: He's in good shape, he can take a punch, he

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Speaker 1: can clearly deliver a punch. And I see boxing purists

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Speaker 1: being so turned off by this. There is room for

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Speaker 1: a room for Jake Paul. If a fighter is vested

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Speaker 1: athletes who now do what I do for a living. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Pat McAfee's like, I'm want to be a talk show host. Well,

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Speaker 1: he's legitimate because he's invested in it, he's putting the time,

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Speaker 1: he's prepared in it. I have no problem people crossing

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Speaker 1: over into different careers. You know, you've seen singers become actors,

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Speaker 1: away ninety five percent of these fighters in pay per view.

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Speaker 1: Because we live in such a fragmented world. Now, you know,

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Speaker 1: was like fifteen years old. When you have a fragmented

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Speaker 1: sometimes interesting will beat good. Now great, we'll get better

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Speaker 1: But how many boxers are great? Jake Paul is interesting,

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Speaker 1: I think he's got a punch. I think he showed

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Speaker 1: fight he's involved in. I think he's also very smart

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Speaker 1: in terms of marketing and the quality of fighters he's fighting.

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Speaker 1: He's not going too fast. I don't think he should

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's his last fight. But for all the cynics

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Speaker 1: every sport. Are you the same people that defend Tim

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Speaker 1: just interesting? I mean, nobody takes it seriously that Tebow's

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Speaker 1: going to be out of sports for eight years, right,

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Speaker 1: Jake Paul is far more legitimate than Tim Tebow trying

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Speaker 1: He can't block. He was a blocking tight end who

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Speaker 1: my TV, my podcast anytime. Where to go, Jake, Let's

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Speaker 1: bring in John Middlecoff, formern NFL Scout. All right, John Middlecoff,

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Speaker 1: my buddy, former NFL Scout, host of the Three and

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Speaker 1: Out podcast. All right, let's just start. This has been

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Speaker 1: Gardner Minshew. So I don't think it says anything necessarily

423
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Speaker 1: about Jalen Hurts because he's the starter, and from what

424
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Speaker 1: I've heard, he's actually been pretty good in camp. I mean,

425
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,680
Speaker 1: I know when they practice against the Patriots. Now, granted

426
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Speaker 1: the Patriots left some guys back there, but he was

427
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Speaker 1: good now and they have weapons now. I thought he

428
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,239
Speaker 1: was a running back coming out Colin. I mean, when

429
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Speaker 1: he came out from Lincoln Riley, I'm like I would,

430
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Speaker 1: I don't not think this guy's a quarterback. And even

431
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 1: guys in Philly that I know, we're kind of a

432
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Speaker 1: little wishy watching on him. He's been proved and the

433
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 1: one thing he had he got two things. One his

434
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Speaker 1: like drive and focus and just work ethic and just

435
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 1: his football character is really really high. Look at that,

436
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 1: I mean Saban and Lincoln Riley, I mean they he's

437
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,199
Speaker 1: wired the right way, and too, he's improved, like he

438
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 1: has just gotten better. Like he walks in that building,

439
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 1: carries himself like a legit NFL player from what I've heard,

440
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 1: Like he he doesn't think of himself as some scrappy

441
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 1: underdog like maybe Minshew does. He views himself as a

442
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,479
Speaker 1: blue chip guy. I mean, he played for Sabin, then

443
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 1: he went to Oklahoma and he basically beat out Carson

444
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 1: Wentz last year, right, So in his mind he's good. Now,

445
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 1: eventually you got to get it done on the field.

446
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,160
Speaker 1: To have like that, I wouldn't even call it inflated ego,

447
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 1: but your belief has to then match up with your

448
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 1: with your skills. He's gonna get the shot. I mean,

449
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 1: they open up with the Falcons, who aren't that good.

450
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 1: You win that game, then you get your home opener

451
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,680
Speaker 1: against the Niners, and that'll be a lot of eyeballs

452
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Speaker 1: on that bad boy. So Cam and Mack, I there's

453
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 1: a pretty easy element of this league to decipher. When

454
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:58,120
Speaker 1: stories leak, it's because somebody wants them leaked. So when

455
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 1: the Patriots leaked out the Cam Newton story, which is

456
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 1: we're disappointed in Cam Newton in the COVID situation, they're

457
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 1: telling you it's not on us, it's on Cam Newton's

458
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Speaker 1: and my takeaway, they did that. So when they move

459
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Speaker 1: off Cam, they won't get heat for it. He won't

460
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,880
Speaker 1: lose credibility in the locker room. Belichick's playing it out.

461
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,199
Speaker 1: They make sure. I mean, let's be honest, it's an

462
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 1: incredibly manipulative organization. When they want stuff out, they get

463
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Speaker 1: shit out. So I mean Steth Wickersham's got a book

464
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 1: out on the Patriots, which I'm gonna go to Amazon

465
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 1: and buy tonight because I saw somebody reading it on

466
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,640
Speaker 1: the plane, and there'll be twenty stories in there we've

467
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Speaker 1: never heard, and they're ten years old. When they want

468
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 1: to hide stuff, they do. When they don't, it's out.

469
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Speaker 1: So Cam Newton's story comes out immediately. We're very disappointed.

470
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Speaker 1: That tells me they're moving off Cam fairly quickly. Do

471
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Speaker 1: you think he's gonna get cut here in the next

472
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Speaker 1: forty eight hours for the big cutdown? I don't he

473
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Speaker 1: started today. You know that was a little you know

474
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Speaker 1: he got to start today. I think they leaked at

475
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,679
Speaker 1: telling you we're gonna move off him fairly quickly. They

476
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Speaker 1: made it public. Now, last year he got COVID, probably

477
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: not vaxed this year. There's a dilemma. They're just setting

478
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Speaker 1: the stage for when they transition out of him if

479
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 1: he struggles, which he will, I mean at some point.

480
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: His mechanics are been terrible for three years. Yeah, that

481
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Speaker 1: was my takeaway that it told me that Max's gonna

482
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Speaker 1: play this year and fairly early. Did you take anything

483
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: from it? Yeah, I would have said I had a

484
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Speaker 1: take in my head. I was ready if he struggled

485
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 1: against the Eagles two weeks ago, I'm like, he's not

486
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 1: gonna make the fifty three man roster. And then he

487
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 1: played well in that game, and then the situation happened

488
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Speaker 1: this week, but then he started today, So I'm like,

489
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Speaker 1: you know, you know, Bill will just use guys, and

490
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Speaker 1: Cam does have value for them, right, short yardage, goal

491
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Speaker 1: line stuff. No, he had twelve rushing touchdowns last year. Yeah,

492
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Speaker 1: so could he just essentially make Mack the starter and

493
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Speaker 1: use him as like out of the bullpen when they

494
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 1: third and one on the goal line, Like that's Cam

495
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 1: does have a unique value. And Bill cares about that

496
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: a lot from a football standpoint, because if he was

497
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Speaker 1: just a normal quarterback, even if he was some former

498
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 1: famous MVP, he would one be cut right if he didn't.

499
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: If he was like the Matt Ryan Ver type player,

500
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: but he has this attribute, like you said, twelve, even

501
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 1: if they just use him for five or six this year,

502
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 1: you know, in key spots and mac Jones just becomes

503
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 1: the you know, the guy who's taking ninety five percent

504
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 1: of the snaps. That to me is probably I still

505
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: it's still not inconceivable he gets cut, though. If Bill

506
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Speaker 1: thinks that, like I'm not dealing with this, that's why

507
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 1: I bought I thought about the league. Bill was pissed.

508
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 1: Bill made Surett got out to the right people, and

509
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: it was Bill saying without saying, this is nonsense, this

510
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Speaker 1: is not what I'm about. Well, they're the most detailed

511
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: organization the league. So when he misses the test, there's

512
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Speaker 1: no way that they didn't lay out the circumstances in

513
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 1: the situation, like they don't. Things don't go unnoticed there. So,

514
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 1: like you said, it makes perfect sense why they leaked

515
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Speaker 1: it out. If he didn't have the great goal line value,

516
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Speaker 1: I think he'd be a locked to get cut. But

517
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Speaker 1: today I think when you show him what I saw,

518
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 1: that he was a starter. Maybe Bill Bills just trying

519
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 1: to win, you know, I mean, Craft made some comments

520
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 1: this offseason like that's not acceptable. We need to relook

521
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: at our drafting. Then he spends all this money. I'm

522
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: not I mean Bill Belichick on the hot seat or anything,

523
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: but I just do think there's there's naturally pressure in

524
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Speaker 1: that organization. Just with Bill. You know, he's like a

525
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 1: winning version of Gruden where everyone's kind of on eggshells,

526
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: you know, I know everyone it's just an uncomfortable place,

527
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,919
Speaker 1: and that's when they're winning. Pick and I could just

528
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: see there's just they're they're not trying to have a

529
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 1: seven and nine season this year, and Cam does potentially

530
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: help them win games, especially in that division in the cold,

531
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 1: makes it an easier transition to with Mac. You know,

532
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: you don't have to technically start him in games. So

533
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Speaker 1: I I guess I've talked mysel about maybe he won't

534
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: get cut in two days. John, So I didn't take

535
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: a ton from the preseason. There are two or three things.

536
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: The emergence of Trey Lance was pretty clear in San Francisco.

537
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: He let me just throw this at you. This is

538
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: something else that really jumped out to me because we

539
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 1: have a new culture here. It's the pie piper Sean McVay.

540
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: Nobody plays starters. Belichick arians a handful of old guys did.

541
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Speaker 1: Most don't. The Giants offensive line was so bad. I

542
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: watched the Giants preseason games. It was the worst offensive

543
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: line I saw. And that was one of the things

544
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: that listen. We all know teams are playing backups, but

545
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 1: if there was a team in the league that I

546
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,719
Speaker 1: looked at and went wow, I'm not sure you can

547
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: overcome that. It was there anything in the preseason you

548
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: saw and it was just a step back. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

549
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: This is a problem. Yeah. I talked about it on

550
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: the podcast last week. I was watching when the Chiefs

551
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: played the Cardinals. They did like the Monday night broadcast,

552
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: and they did the Monday night countdown leading up to

553
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: and Steve Young was on there and he said that

554
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: he was told by veteran play or last year that

555
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: Kyler needed to mature a little bit on and off

556
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: the field. And then I looked at a guy that

557
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: they overpaid and it is JJ Watt, and I went, well,

558
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: everyone thought they overpaid the player. I think they kind

559
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: of overpaid for a leader because their quarterback who is

560
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: number one overall player, right, I mean a big time talent.

561
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's the greatest leader and Steve

562
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: kind of it and I've heard some rumblings, and then

563
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: they talked about it in the broadcast that you know,

564
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: the major difference between these two quarterbacks. They asked Mahomes,

565
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: you like playing in the preseason. He's like, yeah, just

566
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: what we do here? If it's a game, I'm ready

567
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: to play. They asked Kyler Murray, who again never accomplished

568
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: anything in the league. I hate the preseason, and I went,

569
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: you know, I watched Josh Allen play in the preseason,

570
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,479
Speaker 1: having a time of his life, throwing touchdowns yesterday. Why

571
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: is there a sense of entitlement there? But again, like

572
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: their actions paying JJ Watt actually make a lot of sense.

573
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Speaker 1: Here's the problem though, if JJ gets hurt. It's hard

574
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Speaker 1: to be a leader when you're injured. And if you

575
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: just look at a reason history gets injured, I think

576
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: they're a powder cake. I mean, the division's hard. If

577
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: they their coach is clearly the worst coach in the vision. Yeah,

578
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: he's a little nice guy, a little overwhelmed, I think

579
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: with the NFL and that scheme. Cliff Kingsbury, I totally agree.

580
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: So I mean, listen, I am not anti Kyler. The

581
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: physical attributes are special right, he can run, he's got

582
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: a big arm. But I think he's way more talented

583
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: right now than a good player, and clearly there is

584
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: some pressure on him. And what happens is Colin, if

585
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: they start three and four and some of the other

586
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: teams that division just look like they're ascending, and then

587
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: could that place kind of crumble. That's a place that

588
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: I you know, if it doesn't go well, I could

589
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: see everyone they're getting fired. Well yeah, I mean, Steve

590
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: Kime you can tell by their acquisitions in free agency

591
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: this is the year. I mean, they're going for it

592
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: big time. By the way, I actually think Steve's pretty

593
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: good historically. He's picked a lot of good players, but

594
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: a major part of your job is picking the coach.

595
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: And he whipped the previous one and done and then

596
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: now he hired Cliff Kingsbury, so he got it ride

597
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: with arians. But these last two were not looking great. Yeah,

598
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: I think he kind of jumped aboard a cultural shift

599
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: in the league, younger offensive minded coaches, and you know,

600
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: I think there's gonna be Nick Sirianni to me won't work.

601
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: I think, when in doubt, young gms now are moving

602
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: toward offensive coaches young offensive coaches. Zach Taylor. They looked

603
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: fairly well coached to me last year. Obviously, there's a

604
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: handful of young guys we know can coach. I think

605
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: Joe Judge, although not an offensive minded guy, I think

606
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: it looks like it works there to me. I think

607
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: there's Brian Flores defensive coach. Obviously works. I think Kingsbury

608
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: was a Hey, offensive guys are taking the league over,

609
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: you know, let's roll the die. So I don't. I don't.

610
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Speaker 1: My only problem with Cliff Kingsbury was always his alma

611
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: mater fired him like nur. Alma mater never wants to

612
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: fire you like, so it had to be bad. They

613
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: had to look at him. He wasn't winning in a

614
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: very good conference, right it was. He was not like

615
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,959
Speaker 1: he was losing the SEC right all right? Before we

616
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: let you go one college topic, because I think we

617
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: both love college football. So you know this. You're in

618
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: the Bay Area, it's fluid. Some things change, and Nebraska

619
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: football is becoming where good coaches go to die. And

620
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: now Scott Frost suddenly, who won in a smaller school

621
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Speaker 1: in Florida could recruit, comes to Nebraska and they're crushing

622
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: him and there's to My two takeaways are more games

623
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: are on television, so more of the great players want

624
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: to play closer to home. So Nebraska is one of

625
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: the most remote, cold weather cities in the middle of nowhere.

626
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: It is a much harder place to recruit. And then

627
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Speaker 1: add they left a conference the Big Twelve. We're in

628
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: Texas geographically it made sense. Geographically, the Big Ten the footprint,

629
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: and even Ohio State in Michigan they leave their geographical

630
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: footprint to go get players. So I think the Big

631
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: Twelve move hurt them. And I also think kids now

632
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: they'll go to Notre Dame, which is not a town.

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Speaker 1: You know, you don't think of it favorably as an

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Speaker 1: eighteen year old, but it's a train ride, it's a

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Speaker 1: couple hour drive to Chicago, short train ride in Chicago,

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Speaker 1: and it's an academic power and a historic power like

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Speaker 1: Notre Dame. In the resume matters. I just look. I

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Speaker 1: think of all the powerhouses in the seventies and eighties,

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Speaker 1: Nebraska is never coming back. It's never coming back. And

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Speaker 1: I think Scott Frost when he took it, I said,

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Speaker 1: I think this is a nine win program at best.

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Speaker 1: If you schedule light out of conference, it's a nine

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Speaker 1: win program. Let me ask you that the Big Ten

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Speaker 1: as a whole has struggled shockingly with quarterbacks. Hardball can't

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Speaker 1: get it right. Wisconsin never gets the quarterback right. Ohio State.

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Speaker 1: How many NFL quarterbacks from Ohouse State. So as good

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Speaker 1: as the conference is, it's never done great with quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: One of the reasons is it's power football. It's cold

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Speaker 1: weather in the winter. It's not Pac twelve as a

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Speaker 1: quarterback conference. Acc has been a quarterback conference. You have

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Speaker 1: warmer coastal weather. So when I look at Nebraska, well,

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Speaker 1: the quarterback play has been atrocious. And my takeaway is, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's they moved to a conference. I mean, the Big

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Speaker 1: twelve does pretty well with quarterbacks. They sling it around.

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Speaker 1: I just think there's a convergence of multitude of things

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Speaker 1: from Nebraska and they're just a at best nine probably

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Speaker 1: a seven to eight win program. Well, I don't think

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Speaker 1: you're wrong on those different variables that you hit on,

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Speaker 1: but I think from a football standpoint, he Adrian Martinez

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Speaker 1: was a big recruit at a Fresno, California when he

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Speaker 1: first got the job. I don't know why he stuck

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Speaker 1: with him for four years. You know, on the most

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Speaker 1: basic level, he's stuck with a quarterback who has not

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Speaker 1: gotten better now for three straight years. So I'm watching them.

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Speaker 1: Their offense is terrible. They can't throw the ball. So

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Speaker 1: one thing you got to give the SEC coaches because

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Speaker 1: there's a pressure there and it's probably where it really

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Speaker 1: happens the most. They will not stick with a bad

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Speaker 1: quarterback for more than a year. It's a little NFL

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Speaker 1: e right. They will. They will replace the guy. Hell

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Speaker 1: Saban does it with a guy that took him to

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Speaker 1: the national championship. In the National Championship Game, he e

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Speaker 1: bench the guy at halftime. I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: times you see this with hardball. They get very loyal

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Speaker 1: to the guy, and I'm sure the kid's a great

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Speaker 1: kid and high character, but if he's not good enough,

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Speaker 1: you will lose. It's like the NFL now, it's very

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Speaker 1: quarterback dependent because all these teams want to throw it

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Speaker 1: so much. Twenty years ago, when I grew up on

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Speaker 1: Tommy Frasier and Tom Osborne, they were running the ball.

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Speaker 1: Tommy Frasier couldn't throw. It didn't matter. He didn't even

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Speaker 1: get drafted. He's the best college quarterback athlete I've ever seen.

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Speaker 1: It didn't even get drafted. Yeah, it couldn't. In the

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Speaker 1: mid nineties, you had you had more than eighty five scholarships.

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Speaker 1: Couldn't They put like a hundred guys on scholarship, so

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Speaker 1: the numbers they could rig the game. But I think

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Speaker 1: Scott Frost just made a terrible decision with his quarterback

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Speaker 1: and not mixing it up, because clearly he said yesterday

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Speaker 1: I saw a quote. It was just the same movie

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Speaker 1: that it's been. Well, yeah, you rolled out the same guy.

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Speaker 1: What would you think was going to happen? Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: Bret and Brett Bielma. He is comfortable in that environment, right,

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Speaker 1: He's a big ten guy, feels at home and that

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Speaker 1: he's a tough guy. It's a tough division, Scott. Maybe

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Speaker 1: he's a little bit more spread it out and throw

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Speaker 1: it around. Well, that's not gonna work in that conference. No, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's it's Nebraska's one of those jobs. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's in my business. There are these jobs that sound good,

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Speaker 1: but the you know, I mean, let's be honest. Working

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Speaker 1: at ESPN over the last five years, it sounds great. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of bad endings to your career at ESPN,

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Speaker 1: and it's not a shot at them, but it's just

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Speaker 1: that environment over there is tough. Well, can I ask

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Speaker 1: you a quick question. I know you commented on Jeff

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Speaker 1: Schwartz took a picture of UCLA and it looked like

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Speaker 1: there were fifty five hundred people there. Yeah, my cousin

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Speaker 1: played there in the late nineties and they were a powerhout.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they had a bunch of pros. They were

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Speaker 1: winning nine ten games before that program. It was a

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Speaker 1: really big deal, kind of like when Tedford was at

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Speaker 1: Cow and they won nine or ten and it felt

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Speaker 1: really good. I'm watching UCLA football and I just go,

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Speaker 1: I just I don't. I just don't see it. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't feel like they matter at all anymore. Well, and

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Speaker 1: your and I know you comment on the coach and

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Speaker 1: the charisma and that does matter too, But is that

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Speaker 1: it You just need a big time coach just to

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Speaker 1: kind of put his arm around the program. Listen, when

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Speaker 1: Pete Carroll was in Los Angeles, there were no NFL teams.

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Speaker 1: The Clippers were terrible. There was no LAFC. Not that

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Speaker 1: it was a spartan sports market, but it wasn't nearly

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Speaker 1: as distracted. Now the Clippers give you two two great

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Speaker 1: NBA teams. The Dodgers now are the best organization in baseball,

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Speaker 1: drawing almost five million. You have two NFL teams in

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Speaker 1: a new amazing stadium. Oh, now you have a soccer

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Speaker 1: team also. By the way, since Pete left, the economy

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Speaker 1: now Silicon Valley influence John. People have more money, they

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Speaker 1: travel more. I mean, I try to get into a

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Speaker 1: national forest this summer with my kids. You can't. They're

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Speaker 1: closing the park at nine thirty. People have more income,

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Speaker 1: people do other things. They're distracted. So if you have

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Speaker 1: to win, and you also have to promote, and I

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Speaker 1: love Chip, Kelly Buddy doesn't. And it was a much

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Speaker 1: different marker. It was a much different market when Pete

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Speaker 1: was here. Hell, if he won the Pac twelve, he

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Speaker 1: had such a high profile program, he could play for

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Speaker 1: the national championship. I think it's really hard for PAC

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Speaker 1: twelve programs because it's the conference in college in cities

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Speaker 1: with pro sports teams. This is Seattle, La, Phoenix, San Francisco.

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Speaker 1: As you say, Stanford, Cal can't get arrested in the

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Speaker 1: Bay Area. So I just think I think as the

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Speaker 1: market in Los Angeles now is so filled with sports.

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Speaker 1: Somebody had to lose, and it's UCLA. So it's fair

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Speaker 1: to say if those jobs both were to become open

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Speaker 1: this offseason, they wouldn't even be that desirable to the

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Speaker 1: top guys, right, USC still would be. They rebuilt their stadium,

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Speaker 1: it's on campus, it's very close. UCLA has got some variables.

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Speaker 1: I mean you have to drive forty five minutes to

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Speaker 1: their stadium. USC still feels like kind of a traditional power. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I it's nobody to blame. There's a culture chain.

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Speaker 1: LA is a tougher market, and I'm not from Los Angeles,

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Speaker 1: but I think we look romantically what Pete Carroll did

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Speaker 1: much easier than once the NFL moves into town. John

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Speaker 1: game changes well. But I think where you grew up,

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Speaker 1: Seattle as a good example. The Seattle never mattered, and

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Speaker 1: then Russell Wilson got there and they and the Duck

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Speaker 1: and Washington has been good and they dwarf them in

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Speaker 1: relevancy now, right, No, Huskies are just a non factory

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Speaker 1: and really good and I have been consistently good. They

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Speaker 1: made a playoffs, but Russell Wilson, it's just the NFL

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Speaker 1: is a different animal. Good seeing you, Johnny good SNI too,

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